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I believe ILE is a bit more interesting these days than ILM. What are your thoughts?

― lucas, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 03:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Alpha and Omega. Yin and Yang. Oreo cookie and Oreo filling. Etc.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 03:39 (twenty-three years ago)

rock vs hard place. scylla vs charybdis. frying pan vs fire

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 03:40 (twenty-three years ago)

overeasy vs. sunnyside up. pastrami vs. smoked meat. garterbelts vs. bareassed.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 04:03 (twenty-three years ago)

six of one, half a dozen of t'other.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 04:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the idea of smoked meat.

― Jesus in Drag, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 04:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Smooth vs. crunchy.

Assignment left to the reader.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I think ILM is more interesting. But it's not the one I spend more time reading.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:19 (twenty-three years ago)

the c/d ratio has been very low on ilm lately, but when it's good (explain luomo, post-pazz-jop stuff, christgau) it's really good. the posters who think and write well seem to do it about music best.

― dan (dan), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm more into ILE these days, but mainly because I now know a few people in person, understand regular poster personalities a bit better (and others know a bit more about me). On ILM, "it's all about the music, man" which is more specific about a subject and less about the personalities of the posters themselves.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 06:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I prefer ILE. there's only so much that can be said about music, but anything can be said about everything.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 10:11 (twenty-three years ago)

i still cant tell the difference between the 2

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 10:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Props to AAD, IHE, ILC and IHAAD too!

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 10:26 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't like ilm very much, there's seems to be too much aggression, too much wilful obscurantism, and too many big words for no good reason. i mean, i'm a musician, but i go on ilm and i have no idea what they're talking about half the time.

i like ile, it's (generally) got a more funny and laid back vibe.

― jeanne picot (jeanne picot), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Harder question for some? Choose only one: ILX or IRL

― Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 13:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Ireland for sure.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm... Must remember to add to list on "Threads you tend to avoid."

But, uh, yes. I prefer ILE but I rarely hang out at ILM so it could be really fucking great and I'm totally missing out. I'm overwhelmed with just one board as it is.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

my main prob with ilm is it's work not play

for me it is littered with "things i need to think through properly"

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Thinking: classic or dud? :)

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:15 (twenty-three years ago)

classic but i have to rest sometimes jel

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)

ILM by a long way.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)

(I think it's time for the Nipper to post his Collini / Hitchens link again)

― the pinefox, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

When I start a thread on ILM I am more excited about the responses I might get.

When I start a thread on ILE I am more amused by the responses I *do* get.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)

ILE, for its variety. And too much of ILM is about stuff in which I have little interest.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 19:12 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, all that music shit.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 19:32 (twenty-three years ago)

N when are you coming to America? You speak our gutter patois fluently.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

my main prob with ilm is it's work not play
for me it is littered with "things i need to think through properly"

I second that!

Also: I came for ILM, but I stayed for ILE.

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 21:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Coming for ILM c/d.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

eleven months pass...

I have just realised that every time I post to ILM I get sucked into a big vortex of self-hatred and self-doubt and end up feeling young, stupid and crushable. My mouse will not be wavering to that side of the screen for some time.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

dastoor you cheeky bastard.

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm always like: where do they find the time to hear all these records? I thought myself relatively well up on things till I discovered ILM.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I like a wide range of music, some quite obscure (shock horror!) but I wont post to ILM because it always makes me feel stupid. So why do I post to ILE again?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

It just always seems to devolve into this: "I have a bigger dick than you"-mud slinging. Then I hate myself for caring about boys and their pissing contests.

I feel like Jess-lite today.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

But surely that is ILE to a lesser extent Anna. (although the girls boast about the size of their boobs too!)

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

to make everyone else feel a little less charming and nice

x-post

― hmmmm, Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess is a complete pisser!

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

pp - they do?

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

this is why you keep coming back pink!

http://www.pegasus-shoes.co.jp/shoes/adidas/img/t0207_04pink.jpg

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

ILM doesn't really make me feel stupid... I mean, maybe a bit ill-informed or out of touch. But the more you read/post, the more you realise who has similar taste in music to you, and who to pay attention to. I get more excited because people have heard of stuff that I haven't that I would really *like*. (I need to get some of those newer spacerock/dronerock reccomendations - saw some of them in Other Music the other day.) I mean, en masse, it's intimidating, but it's the sheer mass. No one has listened to EVERY SINGLE RECORD on ILM, but if each person has listened to, say, 50 records, soon you have the appearance of thousands of records. (That probably doesn't make any sense.)

HOWEVER, I will say this. I don't know how it is right now, but over the past few months, the preponderance of really stupid C*l*mification sexism in the general ILM populace has REALLY been bothering me. I don't know if it's an actual increase, or if I'm more sensitised to it, but you know, threads like "Busty Women Of Rock" make it a really intimidating and uncomfortable place to be.

― the river fleet, Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Yuck! They look like they're made of tablemats from a pound shop.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

GLASS: All right, whatever. Listen up now. This is a big speech Samwise is about to make, a reveille for Goonies everywhere. I used to watch this when I worked in the video store and it kept me going during my darkest days.

BLAIR: Wait. Is this the speech—the "down here, up there" speech?

GLASS: I prefer to call it "The Wishing Well Address."

BLAIR: Listen to that Hobbit, man: "The next time you see sky, it could be over another town. The next time to take a test, it'll be in some other school. Our parents, they want the bestest stuff for us. But right now they got to do what's right for them, 'cause it's their time—their time, up there. Down here, it's our time. It's our time down here. That's all over the second we ride up Troy's bucket."

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

But th 'Busty Women of Rock' thread is a classic victory over laddism, cause it's full of feminist debate!

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Dunno which is better, ILM can be friendly and fun, generally on a more regular basis to ILE, cos ILE feels bigger, in a way.

What I mean by that is if there's a thread about a particular music subject I know the likes of Matos or Jess or Tim F or Vahid or Stevem will probably be on it. It's interesting and sort of revelatory that I feel more comfortable knowing people through the prism of what music I like than simply just knowing them.

Yeesh, no wonder REAL LIFE is so daunting.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

ILE is pretty good as well at the moment though - there's quite a nice spread of stuff being talked about. Both boards are considerably better than they have been in the recent past (five or six months ago in ILM's case, one or two for ILE).

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I've just scanned what I could of some stir-tastic thread called 'Why do music writers bother?' on ILM and I can well see what Anna means: there's just so much bile out there; some posters seem to need validation by being as unreasonable as possible. It is worse than ILE, possibly cos there's less [searches for word, fails] professional... jealousy here.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure, I've been off both except in the evenings until this week, cos I was working, but ILE seems difficult to get into really. Are there actually way more posts on ILE or is it my imagination?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

(there is so much friendliness on ILM, it's just not on the big row fights obviously!)

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Exactly Enrique.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

But in addition there are things like the dancehall rhythms thread where's there's just this mad sense of mutual excitement and enthusiasm going on with no dickwaving at all, I enjoy reading it even though I know bugger all about anything that's being discussed. I reckon ILM works best when you have these little communities within the wider board and everyone's just throwing around recommendations and opinions - the grime thread is another good example.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I reckon ILM works best when you have these little communities within the wider board

Entirely otm. I still look back fondly to autumn 02, there were so many good records, and threads with michael wells, steve, siegbran. *sniffle*

Mind you I also think a decent but reasonable argument on ILM is great, that Daft Punk/Pitchfork review thread last week was pretty amusing, it was only a little bit heated. As I say chatting to people through what music you like is really good fun and does get that enthusiasm vibe.

Remember the Kish Kash thread when it was first posted!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 5 February 2004 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

ILE seems to have 10X more posts and threads seem to mutate way faster. If you add the tendency of most ILE threads to turn into cliquey private jokes --> often difficult to keep up..

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

that Kish Kash thread is one of my favourites ever - euphoria man, i've seen the lemon

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, Enrique, that was the first thread I clicked when I went on ILM today, and that sort of thing has also been really bothering me, even though it doesn't affect me personally in any way.

I *always* click on drone/spacerock threads, it is like a little community there, which is nice.

I gave up on the "Busty Women" thread in disgust. I mean, you see it, you click on it, you read a few posts, you just feel gross and walk away. I am glad to hear that it inspired some debate, but honestly, why do we have to reinvent the wheel every freaking time?

― the river fleet, Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i find both boards very quiet at the moment tho - it's frustrating, seems to be less people around - but i shouldn't hang on it as much as i do.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

The Man Who Dragged ILM Into The Proverbial Gutter doesn't seem to have posted for a week or so now. I'm sure he will be back, it feels like the calm eye of the storm (at least until Geir and Marcello showed up again ;)

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree with stevem, ile seems really quiet & not many 'wow' threads seem to have been started lately.

(i thought 'le coq' may have been something to do with Mr C)

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Naughty, naughty, very naughty.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Exeter Text to thread.

― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm finding it hard to bother with either of them lately, but ilm less so. not quite sure why, other than that - as per - my interest in music is greater than my interest in "everything".

(ilm is pretty goddamn bad today, though.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

(dear god i've finally dropped out of the top 10 on ile.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Mr C=C@lz, not Marcello in case he was about to lauch a verbal attack on me!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

That constant fear of being attacked is what I hate about ILM. It seems like the regulars there get off on being pointlessly mean. (Well, moreso than here, at least.) I've mostly given up on it. There's a reason I never joined a fraternity, you know?

― Prude (Prude), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Anna: if anything makes you feel young, you should appreciate it while it lasts.

― the pinefox, Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

those fights on ILM (missed quite a bit of it) were very funny and entertaining but yeah, nothing much on those threads really, which is very much like how I see ILE where there is much arguing abt nothing at all (alex in NYC's thread abt 'chuggers'). I enjoyed some of the smaller sized ILM threads quite a bit when I was posting last night.

ILM has always pretty good for the last three years, no joke.

Anna: you should do some threads on ILM when you hear some new recs, most of those end up with some good stuff. Its quite friendly actually, its just that it might take a while to realize this.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

In order:

ILE by a whisker
ILComics could be good
ILBooks is okay
ILM coz I don't really read it

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

ILM has always pretty good for the last three years, no joke.

No love for the 2000 posse?

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't posting in 2000 so I don't know.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

It was brilliant!

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

from a quick glance, do agree.

ILM 2000 feels like ILBooks 2004.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

ILE-wise, I miss the SHOUT FOR THE MODERATOR threads, i.e. the best bit. The new moderator forum is dull as fuck: "Can you delete my post?", "Done". This approach stinks, it's sloppy moderation. What happened to posts being deleted for no good reason? And being altered maliciously to make people look stupid? And pedantic refusals to comply with perfectly reasonable requests? And 400-post discussions of these matters?

Therefore ILM - although it has never enjoyed SHOUT FOR THE MODERATOR action - seems more interesting just now.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i once vowed never to post on ILE, but lately ive practically ditched ILM altogether and jumped over here. i still love ILM to death, but my main reason for using it was for getting good music recommendations, but the 2 new Rough Guide threads have seemingly provided me with more than enough recommendations for the rest of my life, so i dont have a need for the rest of ILM as much right now. still need something to kill time at work though.

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I the only girl on here who DOESN'T find ILM scary or sexist? Or am I just thick-skinned/stupid/not enough in touch with my feminine side?

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

read my report

then fuck off

― Lord Hutton, Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Aggressive, unfunny and anonymous is no way to go through life.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Where's your report, Lord Hutton?

― Prude (Prude), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I like both! LOLIMO:)

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm kind of meh on both. And yet here I am.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i like ILE for things like that Gothik 4 Life, Bitch thread. I like when people post cool/funny/informative links to things that i would never see elsewhere. like those lego bible stories! i love that stuff. and i like the picture threads when they don't take to long to load. and speaking of sexist, what about that porn picture thread!! of course, i tried to look at it, but it kept crashing my computer so i gave up.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i confess, that i have the most fun on ILM when the person who started the thread has run screaming from the room and it's just 3 or 4 people obsessing about bad new wave or boogie rock albums.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i like when threads just sorta happen and they are good but nobody can remember how they got that way. on both boards.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

this is true. sometimes the best threads are the most unlikely. it just gets rolling and a few people join in and often the topic is almost secondary

― mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, one of my favorites was when that guy started the "differences between US & UK listeners" thread and people just used it to talk about the Jon Butcher Axis and stuff.

― Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

oh jeez, that was totally my fault. i dunno what i was thinking. i just started going on about the t-shirts i used to wear in high school and canadian power trios the person who started the thing was long gone. eh, whatya gonna do?

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

ILE ends up sucking me in most of the time, then I end up checking ILM 20 minutes before the library shuts for the night....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 6 February 2004 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I love ILE because it's such a gigantic free-for-all. Sometimes I do feel like there is absolutely nothing at all that would grab my interest around these parts, but this seems to be part of a cyclical process I seem to have subconsciously implemented wrt my activities here on this forum.

ILM does intimidate me at times, but only because I've discovered via that forum that there are so many musical artists I haven't even heard of before, that seemingly many other individuals have already discussed at length and carefully dissected. However, most of the time I find it a pretty cool resource/geek-out place. It does feel really exciting to be able to contribute something useful to that place, though, which is secretly the biggest reason why I get excited whenever I see a Duran Duran mention over there. I'm like, "Hurrah! I know things about that band those other people probably don't know!"

― Mellow Dee (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I go on both equally.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

(xp p.s.: I should ask for recommendations over there more often, though. I do want to expand my musical horizons more and, hello, there's this huge resource right there waiting for me! Hm. Will have to ponder this.)

― Mellow Dee (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Pinkpanther, please don't lump me in with Calum. Granted my posts have been off-colour and goofy but I've tried to make them good-natured as possible, and I don't recall making any personal attacks. If my particular stupid tangential-pornographic brand of fun doesn't jibe with your particular ditzy lady-of-a-thousand-housecats brand of fun, please accept that we are different people.

― Le Coq, Friday, 6 February 2004 03:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I like ILM when it's not used as some sort of digital kleenex used to clean up after the collective stroking of a dozen Credibility Dongs. Which is to say about 10% of the time as of late.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

In ILE, it's easier to forget that the person who is making whimsical/amusing/insightful posts is the person you wanted to throttle to unconsciousness for saying your favorite rock band should be violently killed.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Rock bands should be gently killed, with feathers if possible.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

it reminds me of the 1st grade math problem:

what weighs more: 10,000 lbs. of feathers or 10,000 lbs. of rocks

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

or softly killed, using songs

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

How about smothered softly in creosote?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Dare you question the techniques of Roberta Flack and, subsequently, the Fugees?

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the point where Ned goes "FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME" and the rest of ILE loses their shit.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Nate, what precipitated your leave of absence from ILM? I don't recall you getting into any kind of flame war with anyone recently or anything. Then again I don't read all the threads.

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the point where Ned goes "FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME" and the rest of ILE loses their shit.

Okay, now I'M speechless.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned DelaRocha?

― Prude (Prude), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Heavens! I'm killing in the name of... ;-)

― Ned De La Rocha (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Minimalist yet expansive.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I ducked out due to general fatigue vis a vis "kill Luke Jenner OMG!!~~"/"here we will list the coolest bands ever, 90% of whom you could only catch in their prime if you were born before 1960; PS Sonic Youth are ugly and therefore uncool"/trife return/Geir madness/impending Pazz & Jop doom/zero reaction to my '03 CDR MP3/general embarrassment over my tendency to make an ass of myself at the provocation of people who really shouldn't be trusted in any sort of musical matters that extend beyond '80s indie/paranoid self-conscious can't-back-up-my-arguments stress. Yeah yeah so John Q. Truckerhatburner is too hep to like Interpol -- so what, fuck you, who cares.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

'Geir madness'

This makes me think of Apocalypse Now for some reason

― pete s, Friday, 6 February 2004 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

which, ergo, makes me think of James Blount doing tai chi in his underpants and smashing mirrors and whatnot.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"Geir madness" makes me think of Ren & Stimpy.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:25 (twenty-two years ago)

This makes me think of Apocalypse Now for some reason

"The RHYTHM. The RHYTHM."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

"Gee, Ren, don't'cha just loooooooove melody so much more than rhythm?"
"YOU EEDIOT"

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

YOU STUPID EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDIOT GEIR

― omg, Friday, 6 February 2004 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir posts are vastly improved when you imagine them read in a Stimpy voice. (see also: strongo/Master Shake; Dan Perry/Captain Murphy; Alex in NYC/Zorak)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

photoshop pls

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir as Kurtz would be nice

― pete s, Friday, 6 February 2004 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Who gets the job of going upriver? In fact, yeah, GEIRPOCALYPSE NOW!

Geir = Kurtz

Cast the rest of the movie.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, it kinda sucks over there right now. You should come back though. You would make it a better place. I have to say, you have really become a kick-ass writer. In fact, because ILM has been so tired lately I've spent my free/bored time catching up on a lot of the online writing / blogs / etc. that I hadn't been keeping up with. Just today I read your Jaylib and Air reviews, and man that is some good writing right there. And I'm not trying to blow smoke up your ass. Heck, I don't even like Air, and I'm pretty ignorant about underground rap. But I really appreciated those reviews as writing, especially the Air piece - really conveyed a sense of the album, loved the boomerang metaphor.

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

(massive x-post to nate there)

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

the trife return is unwelcome, i agree. but i am fascinated by the geir threads ... and confess to egging him on every now and then (I AM A BAD GUY!)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Problem is this: a Geir-Kurtz would need fanatical followers, and where in the hell are you going to find those?

Wait, maybe Jann Wenner can have the Dennis Hopper role.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

neither geir nor trife really adds anything to any thread, do they? they're like yin/yang with their obsessions. maybe their punishment would be to lock them onto the same thread, don't let them escape and let them rage at each other for eternity.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember that they finally crossed paths on one thread and it was spectacularly anticlimactic.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

token hendrix-loving black guy = who do you think?

― omg, Friday, 6 February 2004 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

So, who is "bemused"? Let's have it out. Ned?

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Huh? I mean I use the word a lot...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry; referring to the provocateur of the music-writing thread. Since Tom alluded to a familiar IP address.

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

H0NGR0 IS MOLTAR.

That is all.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Which means his instrument is the keytar!

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

what's so bad about ILM lately?

I click on it and there's usually 5 good threads started on the day, then a few more revivals. You can get a good hour or two of reading/posting per day.

trife and geir are not trolls!!! we all have out obessesions.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 February 2004 08:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Le Coq: Thankfully yes we are very different ppl, since I would never start a thread about having my head touched. I mean wtf? To say you have been off-colour & goofy is an understatement.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 6 February 2004 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree. coq scares me w/ his mentalism, it is creepy.

― Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 6 February 2004 09:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, he kind of creeps me out too. And I'm a guy! Self-satisfied references to pornography consumption are usually just tiresome, but in his case.. i'm not so sure.

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 6 February 2004 09:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Add me to the list please. Coq, if you are a genuine poster you need a bit more sympathy to your readers. Once you come across a wanker or a weirdo, it's hard to shake the tag. Maybe you don't want to.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(apologies for the touchy feely nu-ILE hippy crap, btw)

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

call me insane but i'm yet to see what the fuss is about. but then i'm neither female nor easily offended so what the fuck would i know?

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm with jim. but then i am a tiresome ocker throwback.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, although I'm not crazy abt Le Coq's posts, I don't think he compares with, erm, certain other posters.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i like Le Coq, i think hes good

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)

he reminds me of Ramosi

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah come on Le Coq is a nice guy! FUCK THE BEGRUDGERS.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

No, FUCK YOU.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

RONAN DON'T TRY IT ELSE THE ONLY E YOU'LL BE GOING NEAR WILL BE A&E!!!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Markelby, I'm sorry if some of my posts weird you out. Rest assured I'm just fooling around - anyone in my time zone will note I usually post at 4-8 a.m. drunken post-clubbing hours - and most of what I say should never be taken to heart. I don't think it's that much different from the ILE-regular in-joke risqueness, though I understand how it could be taken as such given how I don't take the time to strategically befriend the right people first. No hard feelings.

Pink and Orbit, I'm also sorry if I offended you, but honestly I find your writing so ineffectual I can't really get offended myself. I notice that the bulk of your ILE interaction is chirpy and inoffensive one-line sycophantic nuzzling, so I sympathize with your discomfort w/ my rambling, standoffish nature. Sorry.

Ronan, surface, mully, surface noise, and anyone else who understands when I'm joking around and when I'm not, cheers.

― Le Coq, Friday, 6 February 2004 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, I'm sorry! I never meant this thread to degenerate into this, I just wanted to respond to your post towards me. If those are the sort of threads you dig on, fine I guess, who am I to say? It was just that the content was similar to that of you know who, it was just an observation on my part. I hang around ILE cos I get bored at work & I really like some ppl on here. If my writing in ineffectual, it's because I am bored at work & killing time. I am not here to entertain anyone, i merely please myself. I choose to have my more profound moments away from ILX. So I guess we are different ppl & hooray for that, cos it wouldn't do for us all to be the same now would it?!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 6 February 2004 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

hey i object to the trife bashing above too! (though that last thread is pants)

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 6 February 2004 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i like trife but that last one was odd

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 6 February 2004 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

trife is a good poster. his return is welcome

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Friday, 6 February 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, let's hear it for posters who throw accusations of racism around like the most blatant conservative caricature of a leftist college kid ever and flip the fuck out at the very concept of rap that doesn't sound like it came from Bad Boy or No Limit. I don't care if you like mainstream rap -- fuck it, I'm great with a lot of mainstream rap -- but repping it as if your life depended on calling out fuckin' backpacker rock critics (he hasn't even heard most of the underground rap he shits on; just gleans some sort of patched-together 'welcome relief from mainstream bling' philosophy second-hand from corny Athens rockcrits) is just embarrassing. And compare one of his recent posts to something he made in 2001 -- he sort of forgot how to act like a coherent decent human being. "IN ALL MY POSTS, I MUST PREPARE TO FIGHT AGAINST LEGIONS OF CORNY INDIE FUXXX!" Jesus Christ, cop some Visine, son.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I love you nate.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Sit tight and maybe I'll post about the other five or six posters that've driven me from ILM. I'll give trife this -- he's not a 40 year-old Velvet Underground-worshipping douchebag.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

nate, i thought you had "better things to do"?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

brilliant! sorry, trife fucks me off as much as geir, that was killa rant, cheers.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Strongo sees a bit of himself in me. This makes him sad.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

haha yeah that must be it

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i think trife writes about some good music entertainingly, and has a good perspective on stuff, i think his accusations of pseudo-racism are usually much closer to the mark than most give credit for.

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

(OK, he just sees the "I am leaving ILM and giving up on this stupid blog shit" bit of himself then, yeah.)

He has a good perspective on mainstream hip-hop and a shit perspective on everything else.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought you three had all buried your differences and agreed to lez up?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i think his accusations of pseudo-racism are usually much
closer to the mark than most give credit for.

I have to strongly disagree. That's usually what trips him up.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i never had any differences with trife. we share a love that will never die.

nate, i just worry about him having a heart attack is all.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought you three had all buried your differences and agreed to lez up?

He objected to my Official Rhymesayers Strapon.

nate, i just worry about him having a heart attack is all.

Which is why I stopped posting to ILM and thought "hey, maybe ILE will be less idiotic". Then the first thing I do is post about how much I hate ILM. And come on, how fuckin' productive is that?

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, I'm really laidback in real life, I even got this really mumbly low-key Joel Hodgson voice

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i like your posts on ilm, nate. i like how you question your own feelings and ideas about things and don't pretend that you have all the answers. i find it refreshing. i don't know everything either and i find it wearying when people's opinions are written in stone and they aren't open to new ideas or debate. if i'm one of the people you hate though, feel free to disregard this.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

nate is good too, most people are, questioning yourself and others is good, dont let it take you over though. theres not really any reason to get too riled up

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

enh, I think That One Scott Seward Article has been mostly shunted aside due to the repping of batshit psych that I really gotta look into.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

stringent is right.

''he hasn't even heard most of the underground rap he shits on''

how do you know? and how much of this stuff do you need to listen to before you decide its a load of shit?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

how do you know?

Because he told me as much when he asked me to make an indie-rap mix CD for him. And I was going to until I saw him post about how awful '93 Wu-Tang were and realized I probably didn't have anything for him.

PS: I think Julio was the first ILM poster I ever got pissed at, 'cos he hated the Stooges.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

batshit psych

that reminds me of a thread i've been meaning to start...

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Also this makes me really sad for some reason.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

he hated the Stooges.

is this still true? aren't there medications you can take for that now? say it ain't so julio.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

They "made a mockery of free jazz" on Fun House or something. Makes me wonder what he thinks of Hawkwind's Space Ritual.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

nate, that thread you linked to is actually an attempt at a sociology experiment by someone named playa hata. he was trying to prove a point to alex in nyc. it was an extension of that Music We Like thread. (this is how much free time i have at home all day with baby)

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

something about judging people based on lists, i dunno, i forget his point.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, and the results were typical ILM bullshit*. I mean, those kinds of artists only make up about a 25% fragment of what I like, but it still pissed me off.

*unless the responders were engaging in some sort of double-reverse secret counterexperiment themselves. I don't even know anymore.

(feel free to use this post as my ILx Epitaph)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm afraid so scott. And I haven't been able to hear it (i sold the records) since I said how much I hated the stooges and the MC5. I don't think I said that it 'made a mockery of free jazz' but I was so pissed off at the time I might've done. And I was comparing the stooges to stuff like blue humans and borbetomagus, but anyway...

I quite like to hear metallic K.O (and 'back in the USA' by the MC5). Maybe a live recording would set me straight.

haven't heard that hawkwind rec.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

The MC5 ROIR tape, that is probably on cd, is a pretty good primer/testament to how good they could be. kind of an odds & sods, but really consistent. i love Back In The USA, but some people don't like some of the chuck berry boogie stuff. i don't know what to say about Fun House. or any Stooges stuff. It's a part of me like the sea and the wind.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Space Ritual is stellar. if you like krautrock, heavy metal, Lemmy, and Michael Moorcock. and maybe even if you don't.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

"Back in the USA" sucks. The Stooger pwn the mc5. That Hawkwind rekkid is one of the most awesome things ever.-

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

stooges even.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh, my favorite albums at age 18 were Space Ritual and The Score.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i got mugged in philadelphia once years ago, and one of the dudes rips my tape of space ritual out of my pocket and i just kept giving him grief about how much i needed it(i was really drunk-don't try this at home) until he finally handed it back to me. that's my testimonial.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I was prob too harsh on 'Funhouse' so I should prob check it out again. and 'back in the USA'. and 'space ritual'.

x-post

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, the El-P hate is definitely made up for via a valiant defense of a Hawkwind cassette at the risk of severe assbeatings.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I spend much less time on ILE than ILM because over here I'm less insightful and more mental, therefore I'm much less inclined to contribute. Imagine how that makes me feel (plus I'm addicted to music but this seems to be the basic difference in my approaches to the 2 boards).

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 6 February 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

'insight' is for suckas. you love music so post abt it!!!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 7 February 2004 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

word.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually now that I'm clearer of mind and have actually thought about the content of my posts on ILX and how actually very friendly I've been overall, I take back what I said upthread, Markelby. "Maybe you don't want to." Try saying that while pinching your nose, because I cannot imagine you otherwise. I'll be keeping an eye on you, superstar.

― Le Coq, Saturday, 7 February 2004 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Friendly? Are you sure? Ignoring the posts where you've dissed people I like, the only friendliness I can see was in the post you've just taken back.

You obviously do want to come across as a loose cannon, someone who'll push boundaries when all the inconsequential wusses around you are too dull or scared to do so. So I'll not pinch my nose, thanks, and I'll just stay out of your way.

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 7 February 2004 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i think le coq is friendly. i like the use of the word superstar like that too

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Saturday, 7 February 2004 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm down for le coq somewhat because he's an old school bitchpork veteran like me.

ILM blows. Here's my concise summary of every thread on ILM ever:

"I REALLY LIKE THIS SONG/ARTIST/ALBUM!"

"I REALLY HATE THEM! THEY IS STUPID!"

"YOU IS THE ONE THAT IS STUPID!"

"ARRRGGHHH!"

"AAARRRGGHHH!"

"They have some strong melodies, but they aren't as good as Genesis."

"FUCK YOU GEIR"

Fin.

― NA (Nick A.), Saturday, 7 February 2004 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

You haven't been reading ILM but never mind.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 7 February 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I have, Julio. Obviously the above is a hyperbolic/jokey/stupid representation of my feelings about ILM, but there's some truth to it. 98% of the threads seem totally pointless, people essentially giving a thumbs up or thumbs down to a musical act, and then bitching at each other with no real conversation/give-or-take. And I'm not even going to touch the Covers threads.

― NA (Nick A.), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

E.g.: the second thread I clicked on on ILM is this one. What's the point?

― NA (Nick A.), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

you haven't been reading ILM

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

and you haven't been taking your Ritalin. Try and pay attention.

― NA (Nick A.), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

...and this thread is now on the level of most ILM threads. Congrats.

― NA (Nick A.), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey you're the one who launched the attack. 98 percent of threads aren't interesting to me either, clearly NOBODY is interested in something if I personally amn't.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

C11 has to keep posting and telling us what's good abt it. as more ppl hear that rec there will be more ppl coming with opinions.

have you heard that rec NA, do you like it?

'some truth' does not equal '98%'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure if I've ever encountered the "why can't we all get along" stance as regards discussing music without it having an element of "shut up for christ's sake you're making me think".

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not gonna deny that ppl are being snarky on threads on ILM (hey I did a lot of that stuff) but ILE can be far worse, there is almost vaccum to this place at times (its the lack of focus on having anything specific to talk abt, whereas on ILM you can use music to discuss lots of things taking place in the wider world, context et al), almost as if there is nothing to discuss so ppl just fight and you get some really ridiculous args, and they aren't even nasty enough!!! at least ppl do that kind of thing really well on ILM. yesterday you had ppl threatening to kill each other. top stuff!!!

'';-)''

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

hopefully some of you can pick the hyperbole from the serious stuff in my terribly worded para. good luck.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I have no idea what the people who bitch about ILM really want from it. Of course it's a mix of spoogefests, less-than-astounding debates, astounding debates, tangents, screaming fits, lists and pictures of stuff. What else COULD it be? And what are they contributing to make it better?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

'insight' is for suckas. you love music so post abt it!!!

Are you threatening meeeeeee?

Haha, doesn't C-Man spend far more time here now? They should move the DON'T TRY IT meme over here and then 75% of all ILX strife will firmly be in the ILE camp.

And NA, people only get wound up by Geir when he starts talking about things he isn't as qualified to gab about as he thinks he is (I mean, chatting dance music with a geezer who doesn't/can't/hates to dance?). Though the recent thread involving his Soulseek files was both enlightening and unsettling! Don't blame Ronan cause you can't maintain composure.

x-post. Anthony otm but that sounds lots like ILE too!

― Barima (Barima), Saturday, 7 February 2004 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

that sounds lots like ILE too!

though ILE doesn't have to cloak its primal screams and navel-gazing under the context of music appreciation. Which is both good and bad.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Nah, it just uses the cloak of political analysis instead.

Just messing.

― Barima (Barima), Saturday, 7 February 2004 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I have no idea what the people who bitch about ILM really want from it.

Less bitchy old VU/Fall elitists who hate almost everything, for starters

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

who in tarnation are you talking about? Alex? He's a gas! If you just mean less people who will vocally challenge you, well tough titty. You don't want to be on a message board. Go join a fan club.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

look, sorry I'm being harsh but I think it's absurd to bellyache about people who present opinions you don't agree with being on a public thread. If everybody agreed with me I couldn't imagine what the point of being here would be. At best I get disappointed by the lack of detail in the disagreements. I don't like it when things devolve to just "you suck" "no you do," which is why I actually try to bring up points with people. Because I myself am hungry for feedback, for interaction. Christ, I seriously WANT to be challenged, which is why it really rankles me when everybody acts so oversensitive. I've already got a damn bully pulpit blog, you know?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

More like attitudes I don't agree with (the "you suck"/"die hipster die" fashion of the day). I mean, I can live with people not liking a group I like, but saying they only appeals to stupid loserpants douchebag hipster trust fund whiteboy college indie trucker hat Pabst blah blah kill me now types makes me wanna stab people with a machete. Well, OK, maybe a wiffle bat.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

(irony/hypocrisy is, lately I've felt like 'man the Velvets could be pretty good; too bad their most zealous fans are assholes')

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

well then point out how they're wrong! or maybe if they're right, why it doesn't fucking matter. Stupid loserpants douchebag hipster trust fund white boy college indie trucker folx are people too! There's nothing wrong with claiming a subculture is chasing its own tail, and those who don't like it need to speak up for themselves. Critics shouldn't bitch about criticism, they should CRITICIZE it! Or, god forbid, admit when its dead on!

And the Velvets and the Fall rule, so I'm damn curious who the hell you're complaining about again. Name names, already!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

also these are two groups I don't see ANYBODY on ILM talking about much. OK maybe the occasional POX but otherwise they don't really seem to be the cause of much discussion lately.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The reason I don't really read ILM is simply coz I like listening to music but don't really spend much time thinking about it, which is evident by my music writing to date.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 7 February 2004 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

that's the most valid reason I've seen yet, dude. I love film but I don't post much to ILF because it's not really my speed. But I sure ain't gonna hold that against the guys who do.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

And the Velvets and the Fall rule [...] these are two groups I don't see ANYBODY on ILM talking about much.

OPEN YR EYES MANG! Actually they usually just come up in the context of Strokes/Pavement/indie rock threads as the "THESE ARE THE REAL BANDS, YOU POSER" trump cards.

There's nothing wrong with claiming a subculture is chasing its own tail, and those who don't like it need to speak up for themselves.

Well when they say something more profound than "blah blah when I was growin' up the bands I listened to were real, by cracky" Rolling Stone-meets-Wire foofaraw, lemme know.

If you just mean less people who will vocally challenge you, well tough titty. You don't want to be on a message board. Go join a fan club.

Does Led Zeppelin still have one? I figure you'd know.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, not only are you fighting straw men (pleeeeeze tell me which respected ILX individuals bring out the VU "trump card"), one of 'em looks like me except he gives a willynilly about Zep aside from IV and Houses.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

not to pick too much on Miccio; he is one of the more reasonable voices on the "rise of urban music" thread, which includes this:

People need to be more negative about rock in print, the reason people would get annoyed if it was the other way round would be because those responsible would be ignorant and wrong.
-- Ronan (ronan.fitzgerald...) (webmail), February 7th, 2004 2:47 PM. (Ronan) (later) (link)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ronan otm
-- $$ (...) (webmail), February 7th, 2004 2:52 PM. (later) (link)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a 200-post-long picture thread that keeps going back to how VU are TEH KOOLIST BADN EVAR OF TAHT THEER IS NO DOUT. And the Led Zep joke was more to illustrate as to how, y'know, you completely flipped the fuck out when I said I didn't like "Dancing Days"

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Come on Nate, rock can take the slings and arrows. It's fairly secure as the smart popular music of our times and the antidote to idiotdance and (c)rap.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha nate, i posted a picture of todd rundgren's utopia on that thread, so the vu worshippers (or poss worshipper singular) = PWNED.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

how about -- and this is just me being Mr. Populist Asshat here -- the possibility of liking and listening to both?

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, not allowed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all politics Nate!

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

(nb i like utopia, led zep and vu)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

When isn't it?

(xpost)

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

(nb i like utopia, led zep and vu)

HERETIC, BOGOMIL. Burn him.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

haha

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like talking about Music, I just listen to it. I get flustered when I try to reason about it. Thus, for me, ILE's best but only because I'm lazy.

― Lara (Lara), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

and hey if anybody gets to be mr. populist asshat U.S. division, its me. Not some...BASEMENT JAXX fan.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

as an aside, if we're griping, I do like progressive rock, obv, but i don't tend to like discussing it on prog-only forums, it sort of feels like giving up. Between ge*r and d*d**sm*s, it's just about impossible to talk about it on ilm anymore. the pair of them have just sucked all the joy out of it.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

you're all popular asshats to me.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

there. now everybody's happy. Now I'm gonna start a thread about why aren't there any good black techno people...doo doop de doo doo doo...

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

and hey if anybody gets to be mr. populist asshat U.S. division, its me. Not some...BASEMENT JAXX fan.

Ha! Why not say that louder, Miccio? Better yet, skip the poss pseudo tension, and just kiss and make up, already:>

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

ew ew nu-metal germs

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Now I'm gonna start a thread about why aren't there any good black techno people...doo doop de doo doo doo...

Wait, there's Tr----, and um.....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Now I'm gonna start a thread about why aren't there any good black techno people

Are you joking Anthony? Either way, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh christ, DON'T TRY IT!

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Can you feel the ignorance?

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course I'm joking you sillies.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Now you are, right.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

What was the joke???

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

you see by "black" he meant like "black metal"

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to think the "doo doop de doo doo doo" would have tipped you off.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought that was an onomotopeia of a Carl Craig bassline

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Carl who?

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

actually I suppose Herbie Hancock's "Rockit" would be an exception...

― Anthony Geirbot (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

no one answered my paul specht thread.

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

In the event Ronan is actually serious

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i believe ronan is aware of carl craig.

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Then I dedicate that link to all those who are not

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

unfortunately, it seems people are unaware of paul specht.

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Saturday, 7 February 2004 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

information on paul specht for those who are interested:

http://www.venerablemusic.com/catalog/TitleDetails.asp?TitleID=5887

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony I find it hard to believe you were entirely self aware with your initial joke, I'm trying but it's just not happening!

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

whatever

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

nate 100% OTM re trife. trife needs to grow up.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

So we've established Nate and Tad don't like ethan. Good work, men.

― bnw (bnw), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

trife, what do you think of alec r costandinos? i think he would be up your street totally

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

RE: me making the first "attack" - what was the point of Ronan's repetition of Julio's "You haven't been reading ILM" after I attempted to somewhat seriously discuss my problems with ILM if not a (successful) attempt to get me riled up?

Anyways, I don't have any problem with contention/discussion/argumentation, it's just that the arguments I've seen on ILM don't have to seem much depth beyond choosing a side and calling names. I certainly don't have a "why can't we all get along" philosophy to music, but threads like the one I linked to don't seem to have any actual give-and-take, or even meaningful mention of why people liked or disliked the album.

― NA (Nick A.), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i would recommend phoebus and esmeralda, and quasimodos marriage (which of course you will know from the beanie sigel sample). weimar republic love

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

otm otm otm. It's like they're just saying "this album/band is shit because I say so, besides, any fool should know how awful this crap is!" When it gets beyond that, usually it's just stupid namecalling ("manufactured", "backpacker", "hipster") and unfunny angry-highschool-punk overreacting ("I don't like a band so they should DIE").

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

apologies for derailing the thread

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I definitely have seen what you're talking about, NA, (I'm not the biggest fan of pure listage or picture threads - though sometimes the subject's interesting enough I don't mind) but I really think the only way to combat that is to try to make the points and try to initiate some give and take. No offense, but I don't remember seeing you do either over there. I'm not saying everybody should post there (jel's scenario makes perfect sense), but if you're gonna bitch about it...

And Nate, I've seen you cattily dismiss enough people's opinions (including myself) that you are SERIOUSLY in glass house territory here.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It's like they're just saying "this album/band is shit because I say so, besides, any fool should know how awful this crap is!"

This does happen all the time but if you want a more in depth discussion, 1) Remain calm 2) challenge the poster to explain the "why."

My biggest qualm on ILM is when people try to warp their subjective tastes into some objective statement, but I guess that is a chunk of the critical process.

― bnw (bnw), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The perfect "(d)evolution of ILM-style" thread

Miccio, one of the reasons I quit posting to ILM is because I was sick of winding up in positions where I'd have to make those. It's too easy for me to just throw up my hands, give up on any attempts to reason with some people, and say something childish and snotty instead. Usually because I always get into arguments with people I will literally never be able to convince when it comes to a thorough explanation of why I dis/like something. Part of the problem (and yes I am including myself here) is that the immaturity/namecalling/glibness seems like a natural defense against getting one's perceptions or mind changed about something they've invested a lot of effort and time into liking.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

What's wrong with the BOB thread?

― sym (shmuel), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

(actually that BOB thread isn't that huge or drastic a decline in quality or civility but the points made in 2000 seem a bit more interesting -- save stevem's "out of time" assessment -- than the ones made in 2003.)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

wow there was a lot of overintellectual bullshit back in the day. NU-ILM 4EVA! *sets dumpster on fire, yells "whooo!"*

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I give up.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Well ppl are going to spend a lot more energy discussing a fresh new and exciting song than a 3 year old song

― sym (shmuel), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe you could compare the BOB thread to the Hey Ya thread.

― sym (shmuel), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post)
in all seriousness, nobody's stopping you from posting "the old way," and nobody's keeping you from skipping all the "what?"'s and "SUXX"'s.

(non x-post)

sym OTM

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

plus if discourse with the unschooled rabble is bothering you, just e-mail specific people and ask them what they think about stuff. I've done it before and it's fine.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I really think the only way to combat that is to try to make the points and try to initiate some give and take. No offense, but I don't remember seeing you do either over there. I'm not saying everybody should post there (jel's scenario makes perfect sense), but if you're gonna bitch about it...

I started out on ILM, and used to post there a lot more. I have made an effort to be constructive on ILM, start somewhat intelligent, or at least conversation-starting, threads, etc. though admittedly, not recently, because I have basically stopped reading ILM in the past 6 months or so, unless I'm really bored and have read everything of interest on ILE. While working hard to be constructive works in the short-term, after a while, the small amounts of intelligent discourse that it creates get buried under the massive amounts of bullshit.

But look. I hate people who complain about this shit too. If you guys are getting something out of ILM, great. Obviously other people like it too, or else it wouldn't exist.

― NA (Nick A.), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony if you'd come here back in the day you'd be saying how much better it was, the same as if you'd come here in 1997 or 3053, the same as whenever the hell you came here, all arguments are irrelevent once there's a vehicle provided for your off the peg attempts to paint yourself as a "wacky loose cannon"

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

mad about something, son?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm always mad, hence never mad.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

[removed by request]

― $$, Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

What the...?!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I used to draw cartoon animals and hung out with some fucking nerds, big deal

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

[removed by request]

― $$, Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I like your eyebrows and squint in that first image, actually.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck you.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, I admit to being a retard when I was 19. Now it's Padgett's turn.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone who MUST resort to chickenshit "gotcha!" stunts = DUD.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 7 February 2004 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"HA HA NATE USED TO DRAW CARTOON ANIMALS FIVE YEARS AGO WHAT A DORK OMG"

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

[removed as part of the deal]

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

you really should have just responded with the Mathers photo, man. Says it all.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Urban Outfitters would kill with that alf t-shirt. they would do big numbers.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

or this:

http://drivenbyboredom.com/bling/dumbasses1.jpg

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

[more stuff removed by request]

― $$, Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

That top pic isn't even me, unless you mean the sliver of a face to the left, which could have been me trying to avert my eyes from that horrific fox-thing

again, FIVE YEARS AGO.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess admits to doing heroin; I think a long-since-abandoned fringe interest in cartoon animal land is not much in comparison

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

anybody got that photo of Dr. Dre in his surgical finery back in the days of the World Class Wreckin Cru?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Then again, if you draw yourself as a cartoon animal, you probably are in for a lifetime of pathetic failure and mockery

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

a white person liking hiphop, HOW NUTS!

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm guessing we can find copies of these pics in the liner notes of It's On (Nate Patrin) 187um Killa.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

more like "we were all fucking dorks at one point, even Eminem"

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

http://morton.feline.pp.se/aac98/acsuits.jpg
http://morton.feline.pp.se/aac98/aclion.jpg
http://morton.feline.pp.se/aac98/accost2.jpg

― $$, Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like talking about Music, I just listen to it. I get flustered when I try to reason about it. Thus, for me, ILE's best but only because I'm lazy.
-- Lara (lara_byrn...), February 7th, 2004. (later)

that's cool but from some of the comments on this and other threads abt ILM you'd think some of the posters get jumped on if they say the 'wrong' thing but most of the time its not like that at all.

and its not just abt 'deep' thoughts on music. a big part of ILM is listening to a new record and just posting a reaction to it. if you feel you want to say something abt a record then say it.

multiple x-post

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you still trying to post incriminating pictures tying me into the furry fandom, Padgett? Because none of those guys are me. Though you can probably chortle to yourself about how awesome it is that you can't prove it isn't me, but you're obviously on a roll here so hey.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

[removed as well. go figure.]

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

http://morton.feline.pp.se/aac98.html

― $$, Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow you're like totally Deep Throat all up in this piece, though I don't exactly know yet if I mean the Watergate one

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

patrin just to spare this thread more of your bad jokes i do admit that ws a bit harsh but i also hope you remember it fondly next time you decide to spend fifty posts being a whiny bitch abt me bcz i dont like the same music as you do or whatever the fuck

― $$, Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't care that you don't like the same music as me, just don't be a moron about it

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, you can understand that someone might get pissed off that their interest in Outkast is being equated with casual bougie liberal-guilt sublimated racism, right?

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

white guys banging on incessently about the alleged racism of other white guys.

white guys banging on incessently about the alleged sexism of other white guys.

straight white guys banging on incessently about the alleged homophobia of other straight white guys.

... and some folks wonder why georgia voted for saxby chambliss.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

ILM- Before They Were Famous.

Trife's posts actually read a lot better if you imagine them being said by Angus Deayton.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread has turned into an episode of CSI. I suppose that makes trife Grissom.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Sunday, 8 February 2004 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

haha

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 February 2004 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i would seriously love to take everyone involved in this "debate" other than ronan and shoot them into space.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 February 2004 04:56 (twenty-two years ago)

bitch better gimme some Tang first

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I once liked Jesus Jones... a lot!

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 8 February 2004 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

all one has to do is google for "Br**n M*cD*n*ld" in Google groups and see my alt.music.alternative... surely, this will be used against me at some point once my future Hollywood career takes off.

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 8 February 2004 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

well at least you didn't draw them as kinkajous or anything

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Jesus Jones as Kinkajous?

wow.

my brain just shorted.

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 8 February 2004 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Now you understand why I disavow anything and everything I was involved in prior to 2000 or so.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

For the past four years I've basically been running from my own lameness.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

No no, it didn't short because of "your lameness". It shorted because it tried to think about JESUS JONES AS KINKAJOUS!

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 8 February 2004 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh the merry visions of Jesus Jones as kinkajous! Drink them in, DB, drink them in as Jonestown drank in Kool-Aid.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 February 2004 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i am pissed at plenty people on ILE and ILM but curioulsy nate trife stringent dom julio anthony tad scott NA lara strongo ronan bnw pashima brima nichole markelboy aren't usually amongst them.

ned and db...well.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Sunday, 8 February 2004 07:53 (twenty-two years ago)

you're all lovely

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 8 February 2004 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

...when Xtina says so!

― Barima (Barima), Sunday, 8 February 2004 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I the only one who thinks Ethan's posting of Nate's furry pics borders on creepy-stalker-obsession territory?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was a genuine and concerted effort to drive the dude completely mental. This and the latest Geirthread in the same week...

― Barima (Barima), Sunday, 8 February 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

mental with shame

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

hey if we're gonna talk abt stalking can we talk abt nate writing angry emails to pfork back in 2001 calling me 'p diddy' or nate starting five or six whiny, unprovoked threads every few weeks shrieking abt how hes leaving ilm bcz i made a joke abt kool keith or nate spending THREE DAYS sobbing abt 'trifes unwelcome return' on this thread (seriously i didnt see it til yesterday but like he mustve been posting abt me, going to bed, waking up, posting abt me some more, bcz that shit spans half a week) or can we talk abt nate looking up old posts of mine on ilm and posting them into his batshit full paragraph rants that 'prove' im out to get him bcz i have an 'agenda' against rappers i dont like or etc etc etc etc etc etc etc for fucking ever, i already admitted the furry thing ws a bit over the line but after having everyone tell me the patrin furvert story a million times it just took a google of patrin + furry to immediately be giggling at that shit, and finding this thread after a few too many vodka/kool-aids (i sip on drank) made me think itd be a good idea to post them- i wd still like to be cool w nate but only after he learns to separate himself from the def jux cds he likes and to take any shit hes got w me to my face instead of cowardly bitching abt me on ile- just CHILL son!!

― $$, Sunday, 8 February 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Trife used to like Belle and Sebastian! Get him!
your own fucking ten

― Sym (shmuel), Sunday, 8 February 2004 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Ethan, just because Nate can be uncivil towards you doesn't justify such a cheap shot...but you've apologized for it, so whatever.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 8 February 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm renaming this thread 'People in silly animal costumes shocker!'

― Barima (Barima), Sunday, 8 February 2004 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

ILM's been good lately

― dave q, Sunday, 8 February 2004 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

bitch better gimme some Tang first

Some artificially-flavored fruit juice, too.

― Prude (Prude), Sunday, 8 February 2004 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to say that this thread sucks monstrous elephant vagina.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm w/ mr. daddino upthread. though i don't believe that the "apology" was all that sincere, esp. since ethan trife has a LONG history of this sorta punk-ass thing.

frankly, i'm really getting sick of the double-standards and the attendant hypocrisies around here -- apparently, trife can't do or say ANYTHING wrong in some ILXors' eyes, when the same conduct by another ILXor would have red flags flying everywhere. but since he's barely outta high school, that may be his excuse for his high-school conduct -- what's the excuse for the folks who've been outta high school for a good while now?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i also love this new wrinkle -- that you can't criticize anyone unless you say it to their face, even when doing so means that you'd have to fly half-way across the continent (or the world) to do so. L-A-M-E.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

FOR FUCK'S SAKE WHY DON"T ALL OF YOU LET IT GO?????

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

dude you're the ones who practically called him a troll, before he came on this thread at all.

(x-post WHY DON'T YOU LET IT GO PERRY. I'LL FIGHT YOU)

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

don't try it

― the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

my fight's not with you, dan. i just needed to get some things offa my chest.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

LAY BACK AND LET THE FEELINGS SHOW???

― Prince (feat. Nona Gaye) (Dan Perry), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.tufts.edu/as/music/direction.html

― SMILE, MOTHERFUCKERS (Dan Perry), Sunday, 8 February 2004 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

20 Professors Row? That sounds like a name from some screwball thirties comedy where Cary Grant is a visiting English scholar who gets involved in wacky hijinx with Katherine Hepburn at the big homecoming game!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

is there gonna be a rumble at 20 Professors Row? i'm there! let's do this thing!

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

DON'T TRY IT SEWARD.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

awww yeah! let's rock & roll!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

YOU'RE GOING DOWN. The prize will be your Katatonia albums. Uh, yeah.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

those professors better bring extra elbow patches for their jackets, they are gonna need them. plus, all those Tufts kids are backpackers.(no, really, they are. they all wear huge backpacks. they can barely stand up. all you have to do is push them over.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The laws of gravity, our friends.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 February 2004 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny thing is ethan's actually gone way down on my totem pole of "ILXers I'm pissed at" and is pretty much off the "ILXers I don't trust as far as musical taste goes" list; it's just that I'm a grudge-holding asshole. Maybe it's just a personality clash or something, like he's got good points but I can't get past the abrasiveness or something. I tried just ducking out of ILM so I could get some cooling-off time and learn how not to be overly pissed off at people but that sort of backfired. I took back the stupid shit I said in the stupid-ass Pitchfork letter and I've long since switched off auto-jiggy-hater mode (last two albums listened to: Get Crunk and Back in the USA) and feel like a better person for being into the nerd rap and the bling rap equally.

Anyhow, I want to just drop this beef with trife, mostly for social politeness reasons but also in an attempt to divert him from my old stupid shit I used to say and towards the current stupid shit Alex in NYC says. Didja read his post where he said he wanted to shoot Jay-Z with a nailgun? That's fucked up.*

*Actually I'm mostly joking about pitting trife against Alex in some sort of ILM Kumite Jean-Claude Van Damme style, though that'd be fun to watch.

[Also David Banner > Kool Keith in my book for the last few months (and any random MC > current Kool Keith since I heard Matthew)]

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 9 February 2004 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

somebody's said 'don't try it', right?

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 9 February 2004 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

you know i don't think i ever once squared w. trife wrt his tastes (um cs we're so far apart i guess) bt almost always thk he's right re: these kinda attitudinal things. which is important.

shoot me.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 9 February 2004 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.vicandbob.net/images_jim/bang.jpg

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 9 February 2004 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

trife seems like a hostile cunt

― newbie, Monday, 9 February 2004 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

haha or boohoo.

he isn't a cunt.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 9 February 2004 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

"newbie"

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 9 February 2004 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"El Diablo Robotico"

― f you, Monday, 9 February 2004 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Just remember guys.. Jesus Jones As Kinkajous:

http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/kinkajj.jpg

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

oh christ

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

they are watching the world wake up from history

― bnw (bnw), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:05 (twenty-two years ago)

OK so most of those pics were deleted at my request, but if you missed it, here's a brief summary:

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f541/f54113yhodf.jpg

http://www.cosmik.com/aa-december02/pics/flaming_lips7.jpg

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:10 (twenty-two years ago)

A pic of Brian in the chicken suit would be highly appropriate here.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:17 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/halloween2003/chickendomokun.jpg

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, yes, thank you, thank you very much.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

DOMO-KUN~! fuck yes!

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Mr Perry, think silly animal costumes, not mondo grosso animal parts, get me?

"This thread sucks like Nate Patrin's animal-themed parties!" is much more polite.

― Barima (Barima), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

dear fuck why is this shit still going

― $, Monday, 9 February 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, there were these two guys who were having a go at each other for 200 posts.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

and then I like apologized and shit

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

(and I never threw those parties, I was just invited to one once and spent the majority of the time there waiting for the misery to end)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

eleven months pass...

I just pulled this threa dup to say that at the moment I don't understand what anyone's going on about about 99% of the time in ILM.

I read the thread though, and note:

i like Le Coq, i think hes good

-- Stringent Stepper (stringent@), February 6th, 2004.

he reminds me of Ramosi

-- the surface noise (electricsound@), February 6th, 2004.

Wow. Top marks, surface noise.

2/I was snotty about d*d**s*us. I was wrong, he used to driive me up the bloody wall, but now I like the stuff he posts.

That's it, really.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

It's currently got a pretty good blend going, both boards. There's been some really sharp discussion on a few ILM threads of late.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"too much wilful obscurantism, and too many big words"
Hehe.

During the pre-festive ilx downtime I (re)discovered that I Love Music more than I Love Everything (else). I still post to and read more of ILE, mainly because many ILM threads are so specific in their nature that they don't concern me, but if I was presented with a Sophie's Choice scenario I would shed a single tear and say "Take ILE, go on, take it!"

That said, there is now an ILE thread about me so my newfound ego may struggle to let go.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Both are pretty good at the moment.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

ILM: For most of my life, I am the only one who has any great breadth of musical knowledge and/or appreciation. So I don;t get to talk about it much.

ILE is more like my life is.

I don't have to choose one as I thought COO was let's all act like Doves on this thread.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

nine years pass...

― recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 April 2014 19:33 (eleven years ago)

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$$ wrote this at 2004-02-07 23:41:23.000

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$$ wrote this at 2004-02-07 23:54:25.000

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nate detritus (natedetritus) wrote this at 2004-02-08 00:01:05.000

― take a piece of mr. baxter's hand (how's life), Thursday, 10 April 2014 20:59 (eleven years ago)

Do you want to hear about the deal?

― take a piece of mr. baxter's hand (how's life), Thursday, 10 April 2014 21:02 (eleven years ago)

well i sure do now

― j., Thursday, 10 April 2014 21:07 (eleven years ago)

ya pls

― recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 April 2014 21:26 (eleven years ago)

oh, sorry. it just made me think of that kate bush song. i don't actually have any info on the deal between $$, natedetritus, and the mods of 2004.

― take a piece of mr. baxter's hand (how's life), Thursday, 10 April 2014 23:10 (eleven years ago)

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