C o' D: Referencing ILXors in real life and having your friends ask what the hell you're talking about

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so I'm at a show with my friends and I see this guy who looks like Nate Patrin and I go "LOOK - IT'S NATE PATRIN!" and my friends go "who?" and I go "um. this guy. he played for the Blue Jays. Kelly Gruber's back up." because I didn't think it would sound as bad as "um. this guy. on this webboard. and I read his blog sometimes.

I am so alone."

so have you ever referenced to ILXors to "real people" and had them wonder what the hell you were talking about and if so did you cop to your secret ILX shame?

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 28 February 2003 07:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I've also had to stop myself from saying "Dan Perry to thread!" several times

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 28 February 2003 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I usually just explain it. Since a lot of my friends are writers who troll the boards they sometimes already know who I'm talking about (Simon R. for instance), but if they don't look at the boards, they're generally already aware I belong to, as one woman I know puts it, "that fucking online cult of yours."

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 28 February 2003 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

today i was faxing and rapping "point out the blounts"

― boxcubed (boxcubed), Friday, 28 February 2003 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I have had to show a few representative pages to my bandmate so that she will know what the hell I'm talking about. Well, and also to let her know what it means to be Neducated.

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 28 February 2003 07:26 (twenty-two years ago)

ha! online cult! why the hell doesn't Mr. Reynolds post (or does he)? is it time constraints - I know he's got a kid and all.

I explain it sometimes but my enthusiasm for ILX usually provokes a look of shock/pity on the face of whoever I'm explaining it too (the same thing happens when I bring up my fantasy baseball or football teams). I've tried to get friends to post on here to no avail (one of them even voted in the Pazz & Jopp!)

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 28 February 2003 07:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I always feel odd saying 'this guy/gal I know' when, except for trife, I haven't actually met any ILXors. I envy FAP-heavy locales greatly (are there any ILXors in Atlanta?).

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 28 February 2003 07:32 (twenty-two years ago)

you think talking about ILXors is bad? try telling your roommate that you posted a profile on Nerve. i will carry that look to my grave.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 28 February 2003 09:18 (twenty-two years ago)

online cult is WAY cooler than message board

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 28 February 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I like on-line cult too, much better than my friends.

Friend: Are you talking to your over-literate indie kids again?
Me: Oh, you've got the wrong impression. You just don't understand.
Friend: [sideways look], okay, whatever.

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 28 February 2003 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

how can you be 'over-literate'?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 28 February 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

As I said, they don't understand *teenage sigh*

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 28 February 2003 11:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I, too, find myself saying "I know this guy who blah blah..." and then realise it's somebody I've never met, whose real name I don't know, who lives on the other side of the world. Obviously, I have no real friends and you are ALL I'VE GOT.

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 28 February 2003 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I still have a few friends who don't post and I feel embarrassed when the conversation among regulars turns to matters ILX.

Also I have had too many conversations with Isabel along the lines of

"Are you in a bad mood?"

"Oh not really"

"What is it?"

"Well, you know the message boards?....."

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 February 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

my friend C: "who are you going to the pub with tonight?"

me: "internet people"

C: "they're not real, you know"

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 28 February 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Madchen is so OTM except I do this with my parents and it's awful.

"A friend of mine...[relates fact/story]"

"Oh is this someone you know from work? / Do they live in London? / etc/"

"No Mum they're an Internet Friend" (endures LOOK)

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 February 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

the trouble arose when we in the west decided to pretend we no longer believed in ghosts, elves, pixies, nixies, trolls and the like

"Are you in a bad mood?"
"Internet kobold"
"How awful!"

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 28 February 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

ps did anyone notice the moment when my general position switched from "theory of the universe (which contains buffy)" to "theory of buffy (which contains the universe)"

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 28 February 2003 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Anna, you remember when I was defending Sinister in the pub last week? there were a lot of sideways looks and "okay, whatever"s then from around the table...

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 28 February 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

YEah but that's cos they all like Belle & Sebastian.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 28 February 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I tried Mark, I did. Also, that doesn't count, that's just internet mentalist turf wars.

Toby - C knows I am real! Oh God, I'm starting to doubt my existence, it's like the Matrix, but worse.

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 28 February 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Worse than the Matrix? How? Your life stars Josh Harnett instead of Keanu Reeves.

(why do people forgive the big glaring plot hole in the Matress just because it has slowed down bullet nonsense in it).

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 28 February 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Because nobody cares about plot holes in sci-fi films Pete.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 February 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

And:

because it has slowed down bullet nonsense in it!!!!

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 28 February 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't actually seen The Matrix, I was just trying to come up with some Descartes-esque type thing, as I couldn't remember Descartes just then. Urrrm...

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 28 February 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Anna, you remember when I was defending Sinister in the pub last week? there were a lot of sideways looks and "okay, whatever"s then from around the table...

those werent sideways looks! those were audible comments like "indie losers";)*

*i have never read sinister)

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 28 February 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

*these may be lies

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 28 February 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

(That's the one thing Descartes doesn't doubt. Or Keanu Reeves in the matrix. The latter case is more due to not really understanding the concept of doubt as illustrated in him taking roles in Dracula and Ado About Nuttin'.)

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 28 February 2003 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Phillip K Dick is better than Des Crates

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 28 February 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

''Anna, you remember when I was defending Sinister in the pub last week? there were a lot of sideways looks and "okay, whatever"s then from around the table...''

yeah!

carsmile also told me abt the sinister-ILM connection in the karaoke FAP. very dodgy.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 28 February 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio we all know you are old school Sinister, you can stop living the lie now!

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

[insert easy improv reference in the lyrics or B&S joke here]

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ofofof

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

(Which plot hole?)

― Graham (graham), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Also I have had too many conversations with Isabel along the lines of
"Are you in a bad mood?"
"Oh not really"
"What is it?"

"Well, you know the message boards?....."

Ha ha I have done this too. It's kind of embarassing.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Pick a plot hole, any plot hole. Wait not THAT plot hole. Gah! (throws cards)

This place is known to my friends and family as "The Discussion Group" which is good in a Canadian government panel kind of way. It sounds serious. Because of the phenomenon Tom accurately describes above I always preface thing-friend-told-me with "on the Discussion Group", or something like that, in order 1) to avoid said phenomenon and get it right out there and 2) to remind myself that I am actually a mentalist.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

It's awful, so hard to explain.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Does Tom know you talk to Isabel, Nicole?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Grr.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Who or what is sinister?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Human beings are shit batteries. The computers would have done better to kill us all. Though this would somewhat lessen the great analogy to people spending their lives toiling for the good of corporations (=the Matrix Do You See?). And the film would have been shorter.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

For 'shorter', read 'shorter'.

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

For 'shorter', read ''

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Not to mention that if the computer plugged into your brain controls all your sensory perception they don't need to have agents running around shooting people they just remove them. The hacking analogy does not work with the dram logic analogy (if you die in the dream you die in real life...Pshaw)

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yes but if the computer represents corporate global capitalism then naturally it must be a completely rubbish computer which hasn't a clue what's going on inside itself!!

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

the computer was bored, and wanted people to rebel.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

If the computer was bord it should have set up ILE.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 28 February 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Sinister

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

That's the plot to the Matrix 2, Pete.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

the matrilx

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Lately, I guess I've been thinking about ILX a lot. I start lots of little anecdotes with 'There's this guy/girl on this message board I post to and...'
Just the other night, my bf and I were talking to this awesome chick in a band we saw play about other musicians we like. She mentioned someone on the board and my bf was like, "uh, I haven't met him, but... this sounds so dumb... but we post on the same message board and he seems like a really nice guy."
Fortunately, I at least have my bf to chat with about ILX offline.

But anyway, yes, I def need to start saying online cult instead.

― Sarah MCLUsky (coco), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

1) whoa did this discussion ever go WAY WAY WAY off the rails for a minute there, like orbiting the earth

2) I really think that "the look" i.e. how people react to how we talk about what we do has a lot to do with our own opinion of what we do, and our expectations of others i.e. if I say (as I do) "oh there's this guy named mark who hangs out on the same discussion board as I do and has all sorts of interesting things to say about influence" and present it like that: as concisely as I can, with the point being what mark has to say or what I had to say in reply, then it doesn't wind up sounding as weird as it does if I myself think it's weird.

that's probably massively unclear, but there's nothing for it, my sleep schedule is all messed up and communication is suffering for it

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

My sleep schedule is screwed up too. I went to bed at 3:30 the night before last and 2:30 last night and had to get to work at 8:30 both times. I'm almost at that heavenly beyond-sleep state, but not quite. My brain synapses are failing me.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Since a lot of my friends are writers who troll the boards

Have a word, eh?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I think "the look" has to do with whether someone uses the Internet or not. My Dad uses it to get info about diving - I never get the look. My Mum doesn't use it - bring on the look.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"internet kobald"

*nearly suffocates trying not to laugh out loud in v quiet office

several friends of mine in oxford thought tom was imaginary for quite a while and i was just going and sitting in the pub on my own...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I'm hoping that now Matt has got into bookcrossing.com he will develop a network of internet buddies just as weird as mine, and I will never get the Look again.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

several friends of mine in oxford thought tom was imaginary for quite a while and i was just going and sitting in the pub on my own

o god that's funny

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

here's what my mum hates: computers, space

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

well they were semi-taking the pi$$ john, but that's what they'd say to me...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

how does she move around?

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 28 February 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I use language that subtly implies we all know one another in person as part of an international media cabal, and have only set up the message board to keep in touch while we scatter around the globe and take over.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 28 February 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, maybe not so much that, but sometimes I'll just identify people as "other music writers" so it sounds like some kind of professional community.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 28 February 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Doh nabisco! I'm sorry I told your friends I knew you from an internet community, especially when you had so thoughtfully concocted the "we contribute to the same publication" euphemism at my request.

― felicity (felicity), Friday, 28 February 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Circa 1996:

Person: "So how do you two know each other?"
Boyfriend and I, simultaneously: "MUTUAL FRIENDS."
Person: "You met on the internet."
Boyfriend (sheepishly): "Um, yeah."
Me: "But through mutual internet friends!"

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 28 February 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, no, Felicity, I don't really care: I only use euphemisms when I want to get straight to the story without getting lured off topic by "what kind of message board?" questions. Who'd you tell, anyway -- Katie or something? She probably thinks it was some sort of sex chatroom.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 28 February 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Dud: having to explain what ILX is when I think of a good ILX reference.

Classic: having to explain why Dan is a bad mang every time I burst out laughing and exclaim "ASS PLATTER" every time I see a bar of soap now, until the end of time.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 28 February 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i have had jody's conversation more times than i care to admit

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 28 February 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Who'd you tell, anyway

I think it was the one who designs the Golden Tee games but I am not positive. He walked quickly into the kitchen right afterwards.

― felicity (felicity), Friday, 28 February 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

She probably thinks it was some sort of sex chatroom.

Hey, wait a min-- I think I have just been insulted!

― felicity (felicity), Friday, 28 February 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

you mean it's not?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 28 February 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

But Felicity, the insult may just as well have been directed at (a) me or (b) Katie. (Okay, me.)

I can't imagine Golden Tee friend would have cared, unless you said something like "we met on the internet" (=dating services and yahoo chat rooms) as opposed to "we post to the same message board." Message boards are "dorky" as opposed to "weird," and seeing as he makes video games for a living he's in no position to sneer at "dorky."

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 28 February 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

only my best friend knows about the "online discussion group board thing" (hi tracer), but when i saw a sculpture by fellow fine arts student allison kearney (this was like 2 years ago and i'm still not sure who she actually is) i had to mention *something*. i think i said i knew our ally cos i'd read about her. which is true, if somewhat misleading. i met a ned-a-like the other day, but thankfully my brain interfaced with my mouth before i said anything.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 28 February 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i met a ned-a-like the other day

I am filled with fear. There's another one?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i see a ned-a-like all the time; he rides a bike and wears a helmet with a headlamp on it

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 28 February 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned-a-like is a recognised trademark of Raggett Corp.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 28 February 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

All references require cash payment.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

well, he was an erudite faux-pagan wine-lover (who, after loving some aformentioned wine, told us how he'd get it on with a mango before any other fruit). he had long hair like ned.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 28 February 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

told us how he'd get it on with a mango

I have found the key difference.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I usually don't get strange looks when I mention ILX, mostly because all of my friends are big internet dorks, too.

― Mandee, Friday, 28 February 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I just say the "message board people", everyone else says "oh".

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 28 February 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned prefers the much-maligned ugli fruit.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

no because i never talk to anybody

― duane, Friday, 28 February 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I call 'em "internet people".

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned prefers the much-maligned ugli fruit.

Why did I know you would be the one?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

It's your own fault for leaving that ginormous opening.

Okay, it's clearly Friday because I can't get past the above sentence.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Very clearly. (And you ruled out the fact that I KNEW WHAT I WAS DOING. I was laying a DanTrap.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I had to introduce felicity the other night as an "internet friend" to my friend Russ, but then again he's open-minded (like most of my friends).

― hstencil, Friday, 28 February 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a good thing you didn't introduce her as an internet enemy, then Russ would have wondered.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Naw Russ would've had my back like the down bro he is.

(still I don't think either of us could take felicity - she's tough.)

― hstencil, Friday, 28 February 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all that baseball love. She'll run you down.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil and felicity and the fine mr. russ w. sounds like a good time... THE SB!

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Could someone help me out of this DanTrap? It's getting cold down here and I'm kind of hungry...

...Hello? Anyone?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Now, should I use him as the core of my Dan Stud Farm, or just stuff and mount him?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

HEEEEEEEEELP! HEEEEEEEEEEELP! I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE FUCKING LOTION IN THE FUCKING BASKET!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the Ned again.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

"What's in the basket?" "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!"

*cue Eon riff*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahahaha, Ned do you like "Goodbye Horses?"

gygax! - SB practice is Thursday night, not Tuesday night.

― hstencil, Friday, 28 February 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's where I say I still have never seen that film. Should I?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck yeah! It's great!

― hstencil, Friday, 28 February 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, TOTALLY. Nothing is better than watching Anthony Hopkins fucking up a prison guard with the clip-on part of a pen (except maybe "se7en").

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

It's on sale at that Wherehouse that's closing down...maybe I'll pick it up. A fancy edition at $40.00 pre sale was a bit much for any DVD (non-Criteirion at least).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

you must see it. why your at it download goodbye horses for the full effect.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

(Hey, I'm out of the DanTrap! FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST!)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

No, no, back you go. *beats Dan down*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan you should be safe as long as Ned is not walking around bare ass with his cack tucked between his legs.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

What is Goodbye, Horses? Another Silence of the Lambs movie?

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, how did you kn--...I mean, uh, yes, quite right.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

song by Q. Lazarus when Buffalo Bill is working the fruit basket.. Should I post it to my server tonight?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you should do a striptease to seduce your wife to that tonight.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Been done before. Except without the fruitbasket. But buffalo bills little dance.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

You can stop right now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

In fact its been done in front of about 50 people at a keg party in high school. Yup, my most embarassing moment evah.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

... I think I want to go back in the DanTrap.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

It's always there for you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Everytime "Goodbye Horses" comes on when I'm at a party, which is rare these days...friends have to hold me back from dropping trou.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I am always talking about it. One of my best friends brought me here, two other friends have posted a bit, they've all heard about it, as have some work colleagues. I have no shame at all.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(I'd forgotten the original question and thought Martin was expanding on the "Goodby Horses"-drop-trou phenom.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 February 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

If I ever make it to a FAP, watch out.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 28 February 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

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