Girls Aloud: classic or dud

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I like when they tidied and cooked.

― Graham (graham), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Do you mean Girls Alone G?

It was quite good, felt really sorry for the first girl that left. Some psychological cruelty going on there!

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

and of course you have moderating power and will change the title and make me look weird!

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

jel looks weird.

I liked Sound Of The Underground, but would resist going as far as classic at this time.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I also liked when they did the start of bring it on v.badly.

― Graham (graham), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:16 (twenty-three years ago)

The band: classic. Anyone got an mp3 of their new single yet?

The show: Jessica was ace.

― Ian SPACK (Ian SPACK), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_9402078/Pennysongs/kissablemike2.jpg?bc5ITZ.AsDSg8mm8

testing

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:55 (twenty-three years ago)

can you guys access this link?

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:55 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, mr mike, are it a pic of you?

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't kiss it though.

― Graham (graham), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 23:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Sade = worst human ever. Apart from Hitler, obviously.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 23:38 (twenty-three years ago)

hmm, i can't get into it now :(

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 23:52 (twenty-three years ago)

yes that is me. kiss the monitor

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 00:40 (twenty-three years ago)

bad gateway

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, I forgot to mention, when they were trying to get that girl out of the bathroom, one fo them asked "Are you a werewolf?".

ILx to thread!

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 6 March 2003 12:43 (twenty-three years ago)

One knock for yes, two knocks for no! Sade wouldn't have been a bully if she wasn't so tall. Once the others realised they could fight her she was a total wuss.

I liked the boys better. They nearly killed a hedgehog in the garden!

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 6 March 2003 13:03 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...

I've been given two tickets to see a Girls Aloud gig being recorded for CD:UK.

Should I go? It's today at 5.30 in Waterloo, I'm in Bethnal Green an I've not showered today...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Who exactly are Girls Aloud?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, by the time someone explains, they will have split up!

Charlie, of course you shouldnt go!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

these people.

http://www.girlsaloud.org/gallery/albums/ga/album.jpg

y'know, "No Good Advice" etc? I feel like I'm missing a Great Pop Opportunity by passing up the change to go to a CD:UK show-type thing, but as I said...I'm a bit whiffy today.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

you must go!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlie there is a Boots Chemists and some lavs at Waterloo, no?

FOR GODS SAKE GO!

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

MY EYES!!!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom, you'll be vaguely amused to know that your impassioned capitals led to a volte-face in my head (always painful) and...well, I went.

So who wants to know what it was like?

A taster: I felt about 100 years old, and the only thing going through my head throughout was something John Peel said years ago, to whit (vaguely), "I've started worrying that if I stand at the back at gigs, so as to stay out of the way of the young people enjoying themselves, people'll think, 'Who's that old man at the back looking at all the bottoms?'".

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

did Nadine smile? i'm convinced she cannot

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

which one's she? i saw one of their pants, fwiw

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Nadine is the EXTREMELY sulky one...the Posh basically - the moody one is always my favourite for some reason (because pop is a grim business and i appreciate their honesty)

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Second from the left. Irish. Possibly evil.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, she really is always second from the left....sinister

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Second from the left is my favourite. I like her voice too...reminds me a little of Donna Summer. I hate that new single though. They lied as well. They said in a televised interview they would be sticking to up-tempo until Christmas. I've nothing against a nice ballad or r&b-tinged down-tempo song but people over here can't seem to write or produce that sort of stuff to the same standard as Americans.

― David (David), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

William, you're a legend. David OTM about Nadine's singing-she has skillz.

Parentheticals: (I thought Nicola was supposed to be the evil one? And if Kimberly was removed from the band, which would be an aesthetically pleasing move to be fair, would anyone notice? And why don't I get tickets to CD: UK gigs round the corner from my flat? Also, she may be an alleged racist but somehow I can't help but love Cheryl Tweedy.)

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

She was too! Well, for a bit anyway. (always second left)

It was her pants I saw. By mistake, I promise. But there they were.

I got confused cos there were only four of them there someone called Cheryl Tweedy is poorly apparently (couldn't pick her out of a line-up, but).

Now stop it, I'll give it all away in bits and that'll be no fun.

Oh ok, one more thing: the ginger one looks about 14 and was shitting herself throughout; Cat asked her if she thought the new single would hit number one and she looked like she'd just been stabbed.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Nicola Roberts is not evil, merely omnipotent in a very "ginger Runcorn teenager" kind of a way.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlie, Cheryl's second from the right in the picture. She's a Geordie, yet this actually doesn't count against her (see how far under her spell I am? This is also an indication of how much I'm getting out these days ie nil).

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I've just been told that Ch3ryl is a filthy racimacist scumbag...true?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 15 August 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, this allegation worries me, since I think she's the sexiest and the best singer.

ha, someone at work, I think it was, stated confidently that it was obvious they'd all just been chosen by some svengali because they looked good in mini-skirts. Obviously hadn't been paying close attention to things.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 15 August 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think they look as good in miniskirts as the random cute girl I saw twice today.

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 15 August 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, I'm not so sure if Nadine is evil or just bears a really scary resemblance to a darker-haired Caron Keating. She's obviously pitching herself as the leader of the group - she seems to get a quite large slice of the vocals, anyway, and she seems to lead in interviews and such. Definitely comes across as the most polished, professional of them all. So yes, probably evil.

Kimberly (far left) is there as the solid, dependable utility player - sings a bit, dances a bit, takes lead vocals when needed, can handle interviews and such. Removing her would probably have a much bigger impact than you might reckon.

Sarah (blonde) is meant to be the eye candy - certainly seems the most overtly sexualised in her movements, vocals etc. Always seems to come to the fore in the photos, too.

Cheryl (second right) is the wild child, the one who might be a bit unpredictable... also has the best voice, arguably. Possibly the most iconic member of the band.

And Nicola... well, like Charlie said:

looks about 14 and was shitting herself throughout; Cat asked her if she thought the new single would hit number one and she looked like she'd just been stabbed.

Nicola Roberts is Nicola Roberts. Thank god.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 15 August 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Kimberly is like the Keanu of the group-solid, dependable etc, had fame thrusted upon her. Oh dammit, William, you've made it harder for me to put her down (falling back on the "she don't look that good" card is so rote).

OK, Sarah popped out her top, Cheryl is the Controversy Queen, Nadine gave Charlie a sneak peek and Nicola is the author of 'botherd'. What has Kimberly ever done ;-)?

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 15 August 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Watch CD:UK closely on Aug 23rd and you might notice

a. someone looking hugely out of place at the back of the GA crowd, dancing like a twat and trying not to look like he's lusting after 17 year-olds in his vicinity.

and

b. occasional but strident shouts of "RoXor"! That was me, making my mark, it was. (I'm guessing it won't make it through the edit, but then again I'm the eedjit who's still waiting to find a Flaming Lips Glasto 2003 bootleg just to see if my "Wayne Coyne for president!" shout got in...)

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 15 August 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I just re-read Charlie's line about picking Cheryl out of a line-up in context.
I remember how shortly after her arrest she was linked in the papers to a former member of MN8 of all sux0rs with her mum chipping in about how she'd fancied him for years. Way to dispel that racist tag.

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 15 August 2003 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

i saw 'girls aloud: off the record' on e4 last night.

pisses on 'dont look back' and ting.

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:24 (twenty years ago)

I like the red-haired girl best now

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:31 (twenty years ago)

nicola. she's always been my favourite.

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:31 (twenty years ago)

What bout that "Not Girls Alowwed" or whatever it was called?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:31 (twenty years ago)

eh?

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:32 (twenty years ago)

OH BOLLOCKS I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING I WAS SUPPOSED TO WATCH.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:33 (twenty years ago)

it had westwood congratualting nadine on getting to number six: 'IT'S BIG'.

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:34 (twenty years ago)

this is the first time since not having a tv that i wished i had a tv!

(apart from sleb bb)

(and lost)

(and desperate housewives)

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:35 (twenty years ago)

Nicola! Yes, she's the cutest. Cheryl is beautiful but beautiful is boring.

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:36 (twenty years ago)

Sarah!

Surprisingly warts and all(ish), this programme. A peek into the hugely insecure world of a girl group: fetting about lurid tabloid stories (Sarah), fretting about mid-week chart positons, fretting about looking too pale in the video (Nicola), fretting about general body image (the other one), fretting about wearing skimpy clothes in front of a load of blokes during a video shoot ("It's not... appropriate!"). What a carry-on.

― David Orton (scarlet), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 10:23 (twenty years ago)

yeah, it was quite striking just how much they went on about the marketing process. it would be good if the show at some point dealt with them recording the music and shit, or is that just me being indie?

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 10:29 (twenty years ago)

Rockist infiltrator!

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:04 (twenty years ago)

Girls Aloud are great. Chemistry has at least 3 more great singles on it - they should stop releasing rubbish ballads though.

― garax, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:05 (twenty years ago)

i can't believe this thread isn't already 1000 answers long

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:20 (twenty years ago)

nicola is menzies

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:26 (twenty years ago)

xpost

, either. I think that has to be a reflection of how dominated ILM is by Americans nowadays. I wonder if there are torrents of this out there anywhere.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:28 (twenty years ago)

Yes and Sir Menzies is totally hott too (xpost)

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:28 (twenty years ago)

Also, I just realized yesterday exactly how young they are yesterday, too. Somehow I've always thought of them as a couple years older than 'Britney and Xtina.' When the opposite is actuallly true.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:30 (twenty years ago)

what's menzies mean, ken?

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:36 (twenty years ago)

Mingin' I assume

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:39 (twenty years ago)

, either. I think that has to be a reflection of how dominated ILM is by Americans nowadays. I wonder if there are torrents of this out there anywhere.

also it's on the wrong board!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:41 (twenty years ago)

Chemistry has at least 3 more great singles on it - they should stop releasing rubbish ballads though.

This might be the least true non-troll post ever!

I agree about how young they are.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:45 (twenty years ago)

yeah but this being a tv show i thought ile was the place for it.

"Chemistry has at least 3 more great singles on it - they should stop releasing rubbish ballads though."

i agree with the first part of this.

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:46 (twenty years ago)

'whole lotta history' is the fourth best girls aloud single EVAH.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 11:54 (twenty years ago)

For once I agree with The Lex, more or less - they've done some terrific slowies.

I didn't watch the fly on the wall show - I love GA, and figured it was more likely to make me appreciate them less than more. This was a guess, and may be wrong.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:25 (twenty years ago)

I actually appreciate them more. Well, maybe not Nicola. And Nadine hardly registers.

Cheryl makes me laugh.

― Gukbe (lokar), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:32 (twenty years ago)

that's what does it for me

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:33 (twenty years ago)

I'll Stand By You > Whole Lotta History > The Show > (big gap and then It's Magic or Hear Me Out or Here We Go)

It's weird how they all have distinct personalities, the way each is "the [something] one"... Most bands since Spice haven't broken 66%

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:41 (twenty years ago)

It's weird how they all have distinct personalities

LOL... HUMANS

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:42 (twenty years ago)

no srsly! It's the same reason SC8 >>>> SC7.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:46 (twenty years ago)

I do not engage with GA's music enough to be able to know who is singing what or to denote distinctions in their personalities. Perhaps I just do not care in practice despite complaining for ages about how anodyne they seemed before WWTNS.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:49 (twenty years ago)

in the same way that i have no idea whose guitar does what on early stones records, i also have no idea who's singing, most of the time, on girls aloud records. they do have distinct personalities as people, though, much like jones and richard(s).

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:54 (twenty years ago)

it's weird that they have those distinct personalities even though they've never ever been marketed like that.

cheryl always gets the sexxx lines!

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:55 (twenty years ago)

It's weird how they all have distinct personalities, the way each is "the [something] one"... Most bands since Spice haven't broken 66%

-- Gravel Puzzleworth (mostlyconnec...) (webmail), Today 1:41 PM. (later) (link)

1. The one on the left
2. The one second left
3. The one in the middle, oh hang on they've moved round.
4. The one that was on the right but is now in the middle
5. The one second right, or was that the one on the left?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:57 (twenty years ago)

I don't know about their personalities, tell me more

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:58 (twenty years ago)

too nuanced to be whittled down into bite-size word-forms.

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:59 (twenty years ago)

How can you not tell Richards from Jones on early Stones records? Especially the early ones - they were much more segregated then. Jones played lead, Richard played rhythm. I mean, it got harder to tell after JOnes' demise, but in the early days it's crystal clear.

― Henrietta Leavitt and the Cepheid Variables (kate), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:00 (twenty years ago)

I know Cheryl is the doe-eyed Nazi of the group but that's all (xpost)

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:01 (twenty years ago)

their personalities

1. is ginger
2. is quite fit and "shags" ash13y col3
3. irish?
4. ---
5. ---

yay! go girls.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:04 (twenty years ago)

Jones played lead, Richard played rhythm.

varied more than that, after abt 1965-6. according to alo anyway.

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:08 (twenty years ago)

Jones played slide, but I think they both played lead. Richards plays the lead (or the main riff) on "Satisfaction", yes?

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Well, you said early Stones. 1966 is mid period Stones.

― Henrietta Leavitt and the Cepheid Variables (kate), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Surely mid-period Stones would be around.... errrrrrrrrr, *gets out calculator*......... 1984!

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:20 (twenty years ago)

As far as I'm concerned, anything after Jones died is "late Stones". As in, err... the Late Stones.

― Henrietta Leavitt and the Cepheid Variables (kate), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Jones played slide, but I think they both played lead. Richards plays the lead (or the main riff) on "Satisfaction", yes?

yuh-huh

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:36 (twenty years ago)

i never get the love for jones. he was a fuck-up who hardly wrote any songs.

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:37 (twenty years ago)

a. He formed the band in the first place
b. Good blues player and could play almost any instrument he laid his hands on
c. He looked fucking cool
d. He died when he was 27

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:50 (twenty years ago)

e. he shagged ashl3y col3

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:56 (twenty years ago)

haha i mean e. is ginger

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:57 (twenty years ago)

xpost all granted (except forming the band -- this involved other people!) but the jones myth is usually used to play down the contributions of mj and kr. sure they've sucked ass since '67 or so, but that's no need to play down what they did do.

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:02 (twenty years ago)

It was his idea to form the band tho! I think... No need to play down MJ + KR and they certainly haven't sucked since '67 (more like '74)

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Anway, tell me about Nicola's personality, she's a sweet kid, yes?

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:06 (twenty years ago)

"Let me tell you a story... a very special story. It's all about Brian Jones. He was one of the Rolling Stooooo-oh-ones... Godstar, whoaaa-whoaaa..." etc.

OK, sorry.

Why does no one ever call the Stones a boyband? They so were.

― Henrietta Leavitt and the Cepheid Variables (kate), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:06 (twenty years ago)

too many wrinkles

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:08 (twenty years ago)

How could they be a boy band, Bill Wyman was in his 30s!

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:11 (twenty years ago)

They all lied about their ages! Classic boyband trick!

― Henrietta Leavitt and the Cepheid Variables (kate), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:12 (twenty years ago)

in a previous GA doc nicola came out in favour of communism

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Come on! The pretty one, the sexy one, the bad boy one, the quiet one, the errr... drummer one!

― Henrietta Leavitt and the Cepheid Variables (kate), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:15 (twenty years ago)

This girl is almost too good to be true (xpost)

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:16 (twenty years ago)

http://www.out-take.co.uk/images/new_site/Goldmine.jpg
... not forgetting, the secret one!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:22 (twenty years ago)

well, ok, i exaggerate, but basically she spent the doc, which someone had spent money on as a promotional tool, talking about how much fame and money alienated her from the rest of mankind and how there should be universal equality of wealth.

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:23 (twenty years ago)

http://img.epochtimes.com/i6/5080927071470--ss.jpg

"Yes, I did support the Soviet Union, and I think the disappearance of the Soviet Union is the biggest catastrophe of my life.”

― TS: Mick Ralphs vs. Ariel Bender (Dada), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:25 (twenty years ago)

http://www.menziesera.com/people/images/ian_1963.jpg
.. or even the Morrissey Stone.

xpost that is more interesting, true.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:34 (twenty years ago)

summon the lollercopter, paul morley likes the yeah yeah yeahs, the tosser.

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:33 (twenty years ago)

bit odd to hear the man behind frankie throw round words like 'phony' but there we are, omm does funny things to a bro.

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:37 (twenty years ago)

I don't even understand this article, never mind disagreeing with it.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:56 (twenty years ago)

ha, i am glad, i read it the other day and when it got to the end had NO IDEA what any of it said, i put it down to it being 10am.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh someone just shoot the old curmudgeon and put him out of his misery.

― Henrietta Leavitt and the Cepheid Variables (kate), Thursday, 27 April 2006 11:03 (twenty years ago)

U2 fan Morley appears to be cautiously proclaiming that ROCK IS BACK.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 27 April 2006 11:10 (twenty years ago)

CLASSIC

― Jeff. (Jeff), Thursday, 27 April 2006 11:21 (twenty years ago)

My inevitable counterblast.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 April 2006 11:39 (twenty years ago)

(one of the reviews I read of the new Zutons album described them – favourably – as “Roxy ’72 without Ferry or Eno,” which is either unimaginable or, in a Richard Williams kind of a way, would have, if extant, been the missing link between Back Door and Trevor Watts’ Amalgam)

haha!

― 25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:18 (twenty years ago)

Marcello that's a great piece. I think you nail the problems with all the various counter-positions pretty succinctly. I think you almost give Morley too much credit in implying Morley has an argument in this piece. It reads like automatic writing to me.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 27 April 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

It's surely a pisstake! Chris, Gwyneth, Apple and Moses - where do they fit on a line you can draw from the Bible to the iPod via Shakespeare and the Smiths? is the point where you're supposed to twig, no?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Sadly, given highly similar anti-GA rants in previous OMM columns, I think he means it.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 28 April 2006 06:31 (twenty years ago)

My brane. Does he always try to write like xgau?

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 28 April 2006 06:41 (twenty years ago)

if it speaks like a u2 fan, writes like a u2 fan...

― 25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Friday, 28 April 2006 07:31 (twenty years ago)

IIRC, back in the '82 day he absolutely hated U2.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 28 April 2006 07:59 (twenty years ago)

he might well have -- but i have heard him say that he saw them in hampstead in, well, a long time ago, and was at least *convinced* by them. also says that eno has explained to him why u2's 2000- neo-rock thing was A Good Idea.

― 25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:01 (twenty years ago)

He's a fool to believe anything Eno says!

He thought they were great at the time of the first album and then went off them at the mullet/white flag stage.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:02 (twenty years ago)

I think he liked U2 for a while, and then maybe didn't like them for a while, and then came round to them again. Maybe he has whims and ambivalences and... moods and changes his mind from time to time. Unlike the musically correct corps of Ilx, evidently.

I think Morley's Girls Aloud antipathy is probably down to him having a teenage daughter. I think having kids, and wondering what they make of pop etc, probably changes your relation to it quite radically.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:04 (twenty years ago)

Also, it's possible that U2 changed once or twice.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:08 (twenty years ago)

it's kind of one of those things where if you're invested in paul morley, you'll either find a way to understand, or it'll upset you a lot. if you're not so invested, he becomes more and more just another rock-writer, and that's the last thing morley should be.

― 25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:10 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Which is to say I think the contingencies of people's relation to pop, and particular groups, is more interesting than the etiquette of the contemporary doxa. I'm far more interested in the Enrique who has a, shall we say, conflicted, relationship with being a Primal Scream fan, than the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:10 (twenty years ago)

In the scenario where you have kids and they get into pop, either your interest is revitalised or you end up like your dad moaning about "proper music." Morley seems to have ended up in the latter camp. Although perusal of Nothing probably provides a more prosaic and logical reason for his antipathy to any music which doesn't remind him of music made 30 years ago.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:11 (twenty years ago)

Maybe you have kids and your relation to pop is complicated. That sounds far more interesting.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:13 (twenty years ago)

jerry is right but having irrational nail-it-to-the-mast, bare-chested, flag-waving (do you see what i did here?) bleeding-heart-on-sleeve *commitment* to bands is -- sometimes -- good too.

not in each and every case -- but this is girls aloud for fuck's sake!

― 25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:18 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it's complicated in Morley's instance. None of this detracts from the fact that the garbage he's writing now makes one question the validity of the stuff he wrote 25 years ago.

On a personal level I feel insulted that someone I idolised as a writer in my youth now sees fit to piss on things I care about and turn into everything he once hated. On a demographic level it doesn't surprise me that his reactionary piffle is gleefully published in mass-circulation magazines, because it simply helps to confirm Fifty Quid Man's view that It's All Over. Once Morley would have obliterated that view with purple dynamite.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:19 (twenty years ago)

I also think Reynolds is completely wrong in seeing some kind of popist volte face to this latest piece - claiming that "W&M" is "the popist Mein Kampf". He clearly didn't read the section (one of the more entertaining in the book) that adds up to a infuriated screed against the diabolical Simon Fuller. Or, indeed, Morley's interview with Wham! from way back when. The idea that Morley has ever whole-heartedly embraced POP is simplistic at best.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:23 (twenty years ago)

the beef with fuller and waterman for doing what he did with ztt but without the theoretical appendices and annotations takes chutzpah, i'll give him that -- this is where he *should* have a complicated relationship, no?!

― 25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:25 (twenty years ago)

Certainly his treatment of Frankie, from the varying accounts I've read, both at the time and subsequently, would seem to invite a dear-pot-yours-sincerely-kettle response.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:27 (twenty years ago)

If W&M is the popist Mein Kampf then maybe I'd better read more than the first third of it.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:31 (twenty years ago)

also, wrt 'good taste gestapo', i kind of feel that morley's prominent omm column saying 'boo GA, hooray YYYs' might possibly put him in a stronger position, taste-making-wise, than this 'umble ilx poster.

the popist 'mein kampf' must be built!

― 25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:33 (twenty years ago)

gestapo, 'mein kampf'... the lex is popism's general rommel.

― 25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:35 (twenty years ago)

Ewing must be Goebbels. Penman is... Heidegger!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:38 (twenty years ago)

In that context, I feel like Churchill.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:39 (twenty years ago)

morley = hess

― 25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:41 (twenty years ago)

~~who is general rommel~~

i thought words and music was shit. well done for making some notes for a very promising book covering a lot of great music in a way i've rarely seen in print, now can you turn the notes into something readable please?

i've never read anything by morley other than that, and his current nonsensical omm rants.

i love marcello's piece!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:43 (twenty years ago)

(nb words and music is the only book of music writing i've felt moved to read ever, apart from a granta compendium which had an amazing julie burchill article in it)

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:44 (twenty years ago)

oh, lex.

― 25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:45 (twenty years ago)

Before I go, I oughta mention that Morley will be laying waste to fame-pop onstage tonight with his group infantjoy at Bartok in Chalk Farm. I think entry is free.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:45 (twenty years ago)

I don't think Poptimis__ is on any street, dead end or otherwise - from my POV it's an odd cross between a gite and a spreadsheet.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:48 (twenty years ago)

i do think Morley makes the right criticisms of Girls Aloud at points, he just doesn't make enough of it. i would say it's just the wrong battle to pick (fight the REAL enemy etc.), having been converted/convinced of them in time for the second album. but it connects with his previous rants on them (a) expressing concern that they end up having to go on Saturday morning TV and grunt like female tennis players on court, and b) complaining that they're not The Spice Slits.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:55 (twenty years ago)

The Spice Slits = Shimura Curves shurely? (I've not heard 'em, it's an uneducated guess)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:59 (twenty years ago)

The Poptimistic Spreadgite will endure!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 April 2006 09:00 (twenty years ago)

Great name for a band actually...

*rushes off to Patent Office*

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 28 April 2006 09:04 (twenty years ago)

morley = hess

Myra or Rudolf?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/MyraHess.jpg/180px-MyraHess.jpg

― They're Dairylea Mad, Them Kids (Dada), Friday, 28 April 2006 09:04 (twenty years ago)

phwoooarrr

― Masked Gazza, Friday, 28 April 2006 09:08 (twenty years ago)

Are we sure this article wasn't ghost-written by that new Guardian writer?

It doesn't bother me that Morley doesn't like Girls Aloud but as an article this is depressingly drab and anonymous.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 28 April 2006 09:17 (twenty years ago)

Tom was at the post-punk discussion thing in Highgate last year (as was Henry) and both reported Morley slagging off Abba, so I don't think that ghostwriters were used here, apart from the ghost of the great writer Morley used to be (and can still be, when he can be bothered, e.g. last month's OMM column re. Penny Smith/Hilda Ogden/Beefheart).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 28 April 2006 09:19 (twenty years ago)

I was there too!

― They're Dairylea Mad, Them Kids (Dada), Friday, 28 April 2006 09:24 (twenty years ago)

james murphy claims he was there.

― 25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Friday, 28 April 2006 09:29 (twenty years ago)

The Spice Slits = Shimura Curves shurely? (I've not heard 'em, it's an uneducated guess)

You know, it's funny you say that... watch the next Plan B (though Grace hasn't confirmed it yet so maybe I should keep my mouth shut).

― Wear High Heels, Get A Record Deal (kate), Friday, 28 April 2006 09:46 (twenty years ago)

comedy groups like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, whose eyeless pudding bowl of a singer is the missing link between Nicole Richie and Beki Bondage

Marvellous. That is all

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 28 April 2006 10:26 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sound/shows/show18/video/#072

yikes! was there a point at which they could actually sing?? this is truly embarrassing!

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 8 March 2008 12:43 (eighteen years ago)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JVm2i_4v3r4

This is even worse. I find it quite depressing, because I love them, and they obviously must have been able to carry a tune at some point. :(

― Not the real Village People, Saturday, 8 March 2008 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

^^^ Rockists

― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 8 March 2008 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

Tories can't sing, everyone knows that.

― Dom Passantino, Saturday, 8 March 2008 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.nndb.com/people/756/000025681/tori-amos.jpg

― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 8 March 2008 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

PS Good job filling in for Marcello on the weekends Dom.

― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 8 March 2008 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, give them a break. Nicola Roberts is too busy getting ready to be the 21st century Thatcher to worry about shit like singing practice.

― King Boy Pato, Saturday, 8 March 2008 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

;_;

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 8 March 2008 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

Lampard and Roberts to breed together to form new Tory superrace.

― Dom Passantino, Saturday, 8 March 2008 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

^^^ Jabba the Hutt?

― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 8 March 2008 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

ZOMBIE... MUST... EAT... BRAINS...

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_01/2GirlsAloudCI_468x700.jpg

― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

The redhead is so cute and slightly odd looking. Nice dress.

― Laurel, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

ten months pass...

Incredibly, it took me years to discover them. But, hey, this is lightyear above anything else that has ever come out of the Idol/Pop Stars concept. Of course, Xenomania is the reason. Some really great pop stuff there.

So why did it take me so long to discover them? Well, first of all a general reluctance towards all things Idol/reality show/boy-girl bands. But there is another reason. I checked and it appeared that they had never been represented on the Norwegian hitlists. On further check, it seems their records actually aren't released in Norway at all. Maybe no wonder, considering those reality shows tend to produce acts that don't do too well outside the borders of the country knowing them. But, I mean, Girls Aloud are actually goood. They release good reviews. Plus they seem to be the main creative outlet of Xenomania. So, hey, about time for Norwegian music biz to wake up maybe!?

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 27 February 2009 00:09 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.soulstrut.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badassbuddy_com-slamdunk.gif

― special guest stars mark bronson, Friday, 27 February 2009 00:12 (seventeen years ago)

I would....

― a raggamuffin is a type of cat (a-bomb), Friday, 27 February 2009 00:13 (seventeen years ago)

Hmm. Looks like the thread I picked up was in the wrong forum though :)

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 27 February 2009 00:19 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.mtv.co.uk/artists/girls-aloud/news/274762-girls-aloud-cheryl-cole-louis-walsh-x-factor-usa

― piscesx, Thursday, 2 June 2011 17:01 (fourteen years ago)

god that nic roberts single is terrible! cant believe this is what pop pundits were/are getting excited about. one ting tings is bad enough.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 13 June 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)

I like it. Damning with faint praise maybe, but better than any of the other solo efforts.

― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 13 June 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)

we've gotta thread going about Nicola, come cheerlead and/or heckle
Nicola Roberts: Cinderella's Eyes

― piscesx, Monday, 13 June 2011 17:52 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

well it's official:

Dear Alouders, we just want to say from the bottom of our hearts Thank you!! This tour has been an amazing experience and the perfect chance to say thank you for being on this journey with us through a decade. It has far exceeded any of our dreams and we hope we are forever your inspiration and reminder that dreams really do glitter!! Your love and support will stay with us forever but we have now come to the end of our incredible time together . Love you lots.

RIP Girls Aloud. Long live Xenomania.

― rawr, Thursday, 21 March 2013 07:01 (thirteen years ago)

Are Xenomania still going then?

― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 21 March 2013 09:31 (thirteen years ago)

Technically yes, but with different people.

― daavid, Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:38 (thirteen years ago)

...and not the same quality

― daavid, Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:39 (thirteen years ago)

five months pass...

the one girl got her whole butt tattooed i guess

― everything I do is funky like Debussy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 22:34 (twelve years ago)

o rly

― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 22:35 (twelve years ago)

ten years pass...

Back! back!! back!!!

― piscesx, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 00:45 (two years ago)

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