Girls Who Smoke - Classic or Dud

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I find girls who smoke very sexy. Something about it that attracts me. Does anyone else feel the same way? Or am I just 'mad'!

― S Samson, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Aah, smoking's cool. tah.

― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Dud, if you have to kiss them.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Dud. Hacking coughs and wrinkled skin SOOOO not a good look.

― kate, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i find it sexy too. i'm an ex-smoker and i'm still drawn to it. perhaps it's the oral fixation thing.

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Generally speaking, dud. There are a couple of exceptions.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know about that but I find that it's just sexy. It's what attracted me to my wife. It's devil may care attitude!! Very hot!

― S Samson, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Dud dud dud dud dud. It amazes me there are some girls who think it looks sexy. madness.

― Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

the thing about this is that it mostly depends on if the admirer smokes or not, doesn't it? for me, girls who smoke are girls who won't give me shit about smoking. and when i quit, it wont matter that much.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe it madness because of fiends like me! But I find it sexy and rebellious. Me? I don't smoke. Interferes with my morning jogs.

― S Samson, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Smoking fetish websites are much more popular in America than anywhere else, probably cos it's more taboo there.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought we had a picture thread of girls smoking, but I must have been thinking of the girls with guns thread. Oh, silly me.

Girls smoking in their 20s - can be fairly cute, but sometimes just looks like they're trying to fit in.

Girls in their 50s who have been smoking their entire lives - YIKES!!!

― Sarah Hotnights (coco), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I would not say that it was a fetish! You Brits and your fetishes! : - D

― S Samson, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Smoking is taboo here? Maybe in LA and some upsale restaurants, but I think that's about it.

― Sarah McL (coco), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasnt saying you had the fetish but the fetish does exist, oh yes.

Sarah - ah well then it's inexplicable.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Depends on the girl.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

actaully it depends on the way they hold their cigarette.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Smoking is Taboo is Beantown too. My wife just quit, I never found it attractive that she smoked even though I did too. She made funny faces when she smoked.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

classic. it's not like i have a fetish about it though.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I like stinky people and therefore find girls who smoke very attractive.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Dud, ceteris paribus.

― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Fucking classic. Esp. girls who leave lippy on white-tips.

― SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.baggyboxers.com/halloween/stall.jpg

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.no-smoke.org/images/ads/02_Bob_14x48.jpg

― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i know those girls.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Honestly, smoking is a bit of a dud in anyone of any gender.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

big dud.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, gygax!, I'm not normally attracted to girls, but those 2 on the horses are alright.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

never really thought about it. cigarette smoke is fairly horrible.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

seriously, i know a couple of girls who look like those guys (they were cowboy hats too).

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Like Ned, Dud with exceptions.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

to answer the question, i think i used to when i was younger, but let me qualify this:

when i was 13-17 (well... just say until 17), i was attracted "bad girls"/troublemakers/rebels. more often than not, these girls smoked.

when everyone turned 18, smoking wasn't as rebellious because it was legal. but i think that the fact that the my "coming of age" may have been affected by images of girls that i was involved with smoking was part of my sexual identity.

flashforward to today.

hstencil is on to something when he says "depends on the girl". smoking will never make someone look more attractive in my eyes. if i find you attractive, it doesn't matter what you do, it's something greater than a bad habit.

that said, i don't smoke and i think cigarette breath and the side-effects of smoking are definitely not attractive. but i'm at the open-minded point in my life and overlook some things for the short-term.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Now, girls drinking pints on the other hand.

― Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Couldn;t care less for any visual effect, but the stench and the occasional nic fit it will induce in me makes it a major DUD. And kissing a mouth that tastse and smells like an ashtray ain't too hot.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I know I have to give up smoking but I'm not looking forward to it. I'm also sad that cigarette advertising has now been banned in the UK. I could never understand why someone didn't think of putting a big sign on the side of a bus saying "'Ere, you could get hit by this tomorrow! Go on, have a fag".

― SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not only very sexy (on boys as well as girls), it's big and clever. Coughing and wheezing isn't, but I have managed to keep up my level of those despite giving up smoking 15 months back. Best of both worlds!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The effects of smoking are totally yucky yet people who smoke can be so attractive.

― rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

total dud...smoking is for idiots

― jack (sweatypalms1234), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

This is one of the worst problems with DDB's, is they tend to smoke and this makes them taste and smell bad. DDB's should smell of sweat and pheremones and, erm, dirt. Not smoke and ashes. ick. This was part of the appeal of Whoreton - the rare DDB who didn't smoke. :-(

― kate, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

kate are you forgetting inscence or are DDBs different in the UK?

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Pachouli

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course I didn't forget patchouli, Ed, considering that you had to open my new bottle! Either that or a hint of Nag Champra. (sp?)

Patchouli = smell of hippie or smell of goth.

Goth + Hippie = DIRTY DRONEROCK BOY/GIRL!!!

Glad we've figured that one out.

― kate, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

People who use such phrases as "smoking is for idiots": resounding dud.
People who smoke: I couldn't care less. Except that there seems to be a certain correlation between skinniness and smoking... (fat appreciation or the lack thereof revealed as the basis of all aesthetic debates on ilx. Shocker!)

― -M, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I smoke and I'm still fat. :(

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

One great thing about a girl who smoke is you know she isn't going to be VEHEMENTLY ANTI-SMOKING which is perhaps the greatest dud of all.

― Aaron A., Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

totally classic esp when chewing gum and standing with one hand on hip in a striped t-shirt

― schnell schnell, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Chewing gum while smoking - is this common practice?

― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Nicotene gum, clearly, for maximum wiredness.

― kate, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Or wierdness, if you are Whoreton.

― kate, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

They cancel each other out?? ha ha

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

actually it depends on the way they hold their cigarette

i know there's a joke in here somewhere... ;)

― zemko (bob), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Girls who smoke what exactly? ;-)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

blah blah tastes like ashtray blah blah kills you blah smells blah blah oh just shut up. martin is OTM, by the way, and girls who smoke are v sexy indeed (although it depends on the brand)

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Blowbacks!!!!!

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

*hides my cigarette packet and whistles surreptitiously*

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

whuzza Blowback?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno either but it sounds dirty! :D

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

if it's what i think it is then it's classic too

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

One great thing about a girl who smoke is you know she isn't going to be VEHEMENTLY ANTI-SMOKING which is perhaps the greatest dud of all.

OTM.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Blowback = the passing of smoke - pref. out of a bong or pipe - from one mouth to another. Or at least that's what it means round our way.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

girls who smoke dee herb: as Classic as it gets

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew L, we, although I've never done it, call that 'shotgunning'

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

See I always thought 'shotgunning' was when you took yr thumb off the airhole at the base of the bongbowl and sucked up smoke...

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't that just 'inhaling'?

Total change of subject:

what do you call it when you throw toilet paper all over someone's yard/house?

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

vehement anti-smoking attitude = classic classic classic

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Oops - isnt that just "papering"? Thats what Jake Gyllenhaal called it in Donnie Darko anyway "mom I haven't papered anyones house since the fourth grade!" or whatever it was he said.

As for anti-smoking evangelists, theyre as bad as rabid christians. If you dont smoke, fine, I respect that, I was a non smoker til very recently myself. But it shits me when I get someone like, say, my dad, who is one of those rotten born again ex-smokers, bitch me out for "killing myself" when he's on his 9th beer for the evening. ARGH.

FWIW even though I smoke I wish I didn't, but you get that.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 6 March 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, my memory decieves me, he said "I havent rolled anyones house". So maybe I have no idea wtf I am talking about, haha.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 6 March 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

chicks who smoke are hot.

― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 6 March 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i smoke because i like to cough. some girls ive met see this as a problem . sometimes we cough out loud . yes we are addicts and we are smoking

― kephm, Thursday, 6 March 2003 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Blowback = the passing of smoke - pref. out of a bong or pipe - from one mouth to another.

You gotttaaaaaa inhaaaaaaale, FRENCH INHAAAAAAAAAALE!

[this moment was brought to you by Thrush Hermit and me on Air Guitar]

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 6 March 2003 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

for some reason its not as sexy when guys smoke. i don't smoke a lot, but i love the smell of it on my hands.

― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 6 March 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

vehement anti-smoking attitude = classic classic classic

i gave 3/4 of a pack away at the last NYCFAP, so i can see that the next one is probably going to end with Matos punching me in the face...

oh, and gurls who smoke = not particularly sexy, but certainly convenient if the guy courting them smokes as well

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 6 March 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Smoking, especially by gurlz, is incredibly wrong.

Then again, the lurv of my brief life is a GWS (in spite of not because of)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 6 March 2003 07:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Dud, their clothes and hair stinks, they have bad breath and their teeth are unneccsairly yellow.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 6 March 2003 07:33 (twenty-two years ago)

and yet oddly none of that makes any difference to (or is even noticed by) me

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 6 March 2003 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

you must also be a smoker Jim. Those of us who aren't (especially by reasons of health, e.g. asthma) *definitely* notice.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 6 March 2003 07:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Blowback = placing the cigarette in your mouth the wrong way round and BLOWING the smoke out into someone else's mouth, which is slightly difft, I think, from what Andrew L was saying.

― Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 6 March 2003 07:57 (twenty-two years ago)

that's really only good with pot. ..

― That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 6 March 2003 07:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i used to be a smoker (i gave up four months ago but recently have had a few 'socially') but i still enjoy the smell and i love watching people with cigarettes.. speshly gurls

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 6 March 2003 08:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to smoke as well. Then my adult-onset asthma kicked in and the inability to breathe brought me back to reality. . .

― That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 6 March 2003 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

losing range from my singing voice did it for me

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 6 March 2003 08:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Di is ridiculously right about the smell on fingers: it's nothing to do with conventional smoke/ash smells, something weird and woody and really sort of lovely.

Vehement anti-smoking attitude is reasonable and all, but it gets annoying when people feel free to constantly remind you about potentially bad decisions you're making about your own health and hygiene. I can't think of any other situation where people feel quite so free to criticize other people's habits.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 6 March 2003 08:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I can't think of many other habits that affect OTHER PEOPLE'S HEALTH so freely.

I hate smoking violently and with a passion. From living with smokers, I have to put up with the fact that *I* end up stinking of smoke, *my* clothes stink of smoke, and *I* get a recurring nasty passive smoker's cough. It's just gross. Sure, I have bad habits, I might drink a bit and am addicted to caffeine, but I don't puke over other people's clothes.

Very little makes me crosser.

― kate, Thursday, 6 March 2003 08:33 (twenty-two years ago)

since my smoke has never gone anywhere near you, please don't include me in your generalisations. thankyou.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 6 March 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

There are some smokers who live alone and don't even smoke in their own apartments because THEY don't like the smell and the lingering smoke. Fancy that.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 6 March 2003 08:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm so glad this thread is here this morning... I went out with a girl last night who chain-smoked constantly for THREE AND A HALF HOURS. Now I don't feel anywhere near as guilty for finding this incredibly offputting.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 6 March 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

alright look, this was never intended to be an anti/pro smoking thread really. we all thoroughly accept that some people smoke, some don't, some like it and some hate it. i fear this whole thread is going to start getting very personal and i for one can thoroughly do without that. and kate, did you bring this up with your housemates? many smokers can be very reasonable about this sort of thing - asking people to PLEASE SMOKE OUTSIDE is not asking too much.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 6 March 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

even in their own homes. FANCY THAT. thankyou.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 6 March 2003 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I do not want this thread to get personal, because my housemate is a member of this community, one of my best friends, and someone that I love very much.

― kate, Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Absolutely mingin: men or women!!!

― snomee, Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

but you knew it was a smoking house before you moved in right?

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Moving to Yurp has made me much less of a virulent anti-smoker (because it's so much less avoidable, and because you can always get a seat in the smoking section of a train at rush hour), yet GWS just get dudder and dudder for me. I think that this is due to smoking's having lost its "fuck you" effect on me, so if it can't even offend, what's the damn point?

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

No, actually, it WASN'T. The owner of the house is a non-smoker. Agreements were made but THIS ISN'T THE TIME OR THE PLACE TO DISCUSS THIS.

― kate, Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

you have that exactly right.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm also sad that cigarette advertising has now been banned in the UK. I could never understand why someone didn't think of putting a big sign on the side of a bus saying "'Ere, you could get hit by this tomorrow! Go on, have a fag".

Talking about this last night.Thought about re-branding 'Marlborough Woman - stay thin'. It started out with people comparing health warnings. My friend Ben got 'Smoking when pregnant harms your baby', read it out, shrugged, said 'bugger that, it's never going to apply to me' and lit up.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

someone told em the other day that one of the new warnings on packs of fags is something like "smoking causes a lingering painful death". i really hope it's true (that one of the warnings is that, i mean) - i mean, those packs of marlboro lights saying "smoking kills" in huge letters are grate.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, yes some of those are fantastic.

SMOKING MAKES YOUR EYES FALL OUT
SMOKING MAKES YOUR INTESTINES POP
SMOKING MAKES PEOPLE AVOID YOUR CALLS
SMOKING MAKES YOU DANCE LIKE A GEOGRAPHY TEACHER
SMOKING MAKES YOU A RIGHT FUCKING DICKEAD, LOOK AT T'STATE OF YOU MAN
SMOKING MAKES BOMBING CIVILIANS INEVITABLE
SMOKING MAKES YOU TYPE IN UPPER CASE LIKE A TWAT
SMOKING KILLS KITTENS

loving it loving it loving it, loving it like that

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

fucking classic.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

*lifts mother of pearl cigarette holder to pursed lips and inhales*

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 6 March 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i think it is dud, and for me, it makes an otherwise attractive womyn instantly non-fanciable. (as if that'z going to stop anyone, like, har har)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 March 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Ganja blowbacks/shotguns whilst kissing can be absurdly erotic.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 6 March 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

One of the first things I ever WTFed on the net was a database of female celebrities who smoke or who have smoked in a role. I don't think it was this one, but you get the idea:

http://smokingsides.com/asfs/home.html

Caroline Aaron

* Profession = actress
* Her entry in the Internet Movie Database (IMDb)

* TV/Movies she smokes in:
* Primary Colors (1998) (smoking review, buy at amazon.com: VHS DVD)

"She smokes in a number of scenes, pretty aggressively, but not very attractively."

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 6 March 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

in defence of GWS:

as mentioned above, smoking guarantees not being anti-smoking. in particular it means that going to smoky places is ok, and even more importantly it means it's ok for you to get drunk and start smoking (and even better you have someone to cadge fags off!).

in my experience, the whole "kissing an ashtray" thing is complete nonsense.

smell on fingers = k-classic, as mentioned above.

possibly most of all: smoking is sexy. ok, smoking is sexy on people under the age of 30, anyway, or at least it should be: if you don't look sexy when smoking you're doing it wrong.

i'm a non-smoker, but i would definitely rather go out with a smoker than a non-smoker (ok, i'm not totally a non-smoker, but i reckon i average prob 5 cigs/year).

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

WTFed

What The Fucked? (Or, "What? The Fucked?")

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I couldn't care less if someone smokes or not - the only smoker I've kissed did taste nasty but she was an awful kisser too so I may have been exaggerating the smokiness.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree that smoking tobacco cigs is dud. For other forms of smoking while sharing space with a non-smoker, thankfully weather is now kinder so window always opened to disperse zoot smoke and the like.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

(i should probably add that it's not exactly a major factor in determining whether or not i fancy someone.)

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The only thing worse than addiction is denial.

― kate, Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I think this, from Barthelme's 'Visitors', is one of the most romantic passages in all literature!

Standing behind Malcolm is a beautiful young woman.
"This is Christie," Malcolm says. "We've just given her lunch. We've just eaten all the dim sum in the world."
Bishop is immediately seized by a desire to cook for Christie-either his Eight-Bean Soup or his Crash Cassoulet.
She's telling him something about her windows.
"I don't care but why under my windows?"
She's wearing a purple shirt and is deeply tanned with black hair-looks like an Indian, in fact, the one who sells Mazola on TV.
Harry is still talking about the new president. "I mean he did his dissertation on bathing trends."
"Well maybe he knows where the big bucks are."
There's some leftover duck in the refrigerator he can use for the cassoulet.
"Well," he says to Christie, "are you hungry?"
"Yes," she says, "I am."
"We just ate," Harry says. "You can't be hungry. You can't possibly be hungry."
"Hungry hungry hungry," she says, taking Bishop's arm, which is, can you believe it, sticking out.
Putting slices of duck in bean water while Christie watches The Adventures of Robin Hood, with Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbonne, on the kitchen TV. At the same time Hank Williams, Jr., is singing on the FM.
"I like a place where I can take my shoes off," she says, as Errol Flynn throws a whole dead deer on the banquet table.
Bishop, chopping parsley, is taking quick glances at her to see what she looks like with a glass of wine in her hand. Some people look good with white wine, some don't.
He makes a mental note to by some Mazola-a case maybe.
"Here's sixty seconds on fenders," says the radio.
"Do you live with anybody?" Christie asks.
"My daughter is here sometimes. Summers and Christmas." A little tarragon into the bean water. "How about you?"
"There's this guy."
But there had to be. Bishop chops steadfastly with his Three Sheep brand Chinese chopper, made in gray Fushan.
"He's an artist."
As who is not? "What kind of an artist?"
"A Painter. He's in Seattle. He needs rain."
He throws handfuls of sliced onions into the water, then a can of tomato paste.
"How long does this take?" Christie asks. "I'm not rushing you. I'm just curious."
"Another hour."
"Then I'll have a little vodka. Straight. Ice. If you don't mind."
Bishop loves women who drink.
Maybe she smokes!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

''(i should probably add that it's not exactly a major factor in determining whether or not i fancy someone.)''

perharps that's a better q: is it a factor?

for me: no it isn't.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

JtN 'wins'!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

It's sexy.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread should have been called "Girls Who Smoke - Classic Or Dud (Do not read if you hate smokers in general, we just don't want to hear it, really)"

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 6 March 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

What about if you hate girls?

― Sarah Hotnights (coco), Thursday, 6 March 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Many people who smoke cigarettes do not enjoy the fact that they do so. Quitting is infinitessimally easier to manage without the whinings of non-smokers who share your living space - I air the place out and do my best to alleviate side-smoke, but further than that will not be dictated to in my own house (and am not in the situ. where am moving into non-smoking flatshare). For years I was the non-smoker in a family home full of the beasts so don't think I have no sympathy with those of you who like fresh air; I do too.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 6 March 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

aw c'mon, who here really hates gurls. that's just stupid.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 6 March 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

they do kind of suck

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I came across that website too, N. I think it's rather beautiful.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not just the smoking, but the rummaging for the fags in their bag, opening the pack and especially *lighting* the thing that's damn sexy. And stubbing it out.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

And stubbed out filters with lipstick on.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

In ashtrays

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

christ dr c, what is this, smoking porn?

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Smoking porn = holding the fag in yr foot. (Hey, I just found that I can smoke using my foot rather than my hand! This is gd news if I lose my arms through cancer, obv.)

God bless Jerry the N for reprinting that beautiful bit of Barthelme. The "case of Mazola" line esp. hit the spot.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Obv smoking is sexy because it draws attention to the mouth and hands.

(All you smoker haters have seemingly neglected to wonder why people smoke if it has no redeeming qualities whatever.)

― Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Additcion, Amateurist my dear.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

No, it's not all chemical addiction. I've proven perfectly able to quit in certain circumstances and resume smoking in others. And reigning conventional wisdom aside, I don't think cigarette advertisements and peer pressure are by themselves sufficient to explain why so many people around the world start smoking.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew, as the living embodiment of the Werner Roth Beast, of course you can smoke with your feet!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

**christ dr c, what is this, smoking porn?**

It's just this....thing.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 7 March 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha! Lots of smoking fans, I see. But where is the discussion of girl's having the post-coital cigarette? That is darn sexy.

― S Samson, Friday, 7 March 2003 10:04 (twenty-two years ago)

vehement anti-smoking attitude = classic classic classic
I think that is one of the reasons I started smoking. Never liked intolerant people, especially anti-smokers.

I really (*cough cough*) like the sexist comments some people make - pro/anti smoking remarks.

― nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 7 March 2003 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe Stevie is right; it could be construed as sexism but at the same time, maybe smoking could be an archetypical feminist approach to social misdemenours? I.E. Going back to a time where smoking was considered 'unladylike'?

I nominate Miss Ryder as the hottest female smoking actress!

― S Samson, Friday, 7 March 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread really makes me want to give up smoking.

― jeanne picot (jeanne picot), Friday, 7 March 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Suzy, ouch, my head hurts trying to parse your answer.
It would help if we knew whether or not you smoked.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Saturday, 8 March 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose there are people of all genders and all sexual inclinations that find stupidity in a partner attractive, or at least 'safe' and non-ego-threatening. Smoking might fall into that category for them. Otherwise I just don't understand the attraction.

― Karen, Sunday, 9 March 2003 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

That Barthelme passage is beautiful, JtN, but the words 'Malcolm' and 'Christie' in such close proximity rather spoils it for me.

― Tim (Tim), Sunday, 9 March 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Bitches never buy their own fuckin' cigarettes

― dave q, Sunday, 9 March 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Smoking in Girls = Dud

Girls Who Smoke = As they say, personality counts for a lot.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 9 March 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I only started smoking because A) I was told it'd stunt my growth (it did) B) I really, really hate vehement anti-smokers. I don't particularly like smoking, it's a nervous habit and I plan to quit, but jesus, you stand on the street 40 feet away from someone and they feel the need to shout at you, from 40 feet away, that you are killing them.

While standing in the path of bus fumes.

Oh and no one has ever complained about the taste of my mouth! They could just keep it to themselves or as said personality/skill might count for more than ashtray.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

Being a non-smoker I can always, ALWAYS taste the smoke when kissing a smoker and it is disgusting.

― ali (ali), Thursday, 27 March 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

not quite a dud. far better that there not be smokiness, but it seems a shame to let that stand between you and a good snog.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 27 March 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to have a French girlfriend who smoked strawberry flavoured cigarettes, which of course made her kisses taste of strawberries.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh....

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Friday, 28 March 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

do they make coffee flavoured ones? i'd like that.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 28 March 2003 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I went to see Titanic with said girlfriend, and afterwards she explained it to me:

"Yousee Reeechurd, zees feelm eees not abowt zee sheeep, bert rahzur aboowt zeee Ahhhsberrrrrg, wheeeech eez zee nowvow Meeleneeyerrm..."

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Friday, 28 March 2003 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, I don't blame you for dumping her.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 28 March 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

mookieproof I'm not saying I'd let smoking interfere with a good snog , don't be daft, but I'm just simply stating that you can definitely taste the difference. Well I can.

― ali (ali), Friday, 28 March 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I never even noticed the sheep.

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 29 March 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

So can one determine if one's partner is a smoker based on their taste and scent while going down on them?

― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Saturday, 29 March 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i just had a cigarette

i'm shaking all over in glee

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 29 March 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

oh maan now i'm jonesin

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 29 March 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i had ONE puff of a cigarette the other night and now i have emphasima

― minna (minna), Saturday, 29 March 2003 04:52 (twenty-two years ago)

*laughs hysterically*

― nellie (minna), Saturday, 29 March 2003 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

seven years pass...

i’ve “caught” this very pregnant lady at my work smoking cigs twice already. It’s very uncomfortable because she is clearly trying to hide it and I just kind of ignore it.

― suburbaniatee (Aerosol), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 17:48 (fifteen years ago)

Contact all her friends and relatives and arrange an intervention! Or just look at her quizzically and with a hint of dismay; she'll understand what you are thinking without your having to say a word.

― Aimless, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:54 (fifteen years ago)

She's probably really sick of it, tbh. It's not like anyone doesn't KNOW that smoking is bad for the unborn, and everyone should quit for reals before getting pregnant, but it doesn't always happen that way plus I'm betting the hormones etc of pregnancy make up look like down and down look like up and I don't want to speculate about what they might make me do. Including stab annoying gits.

― the soul of the avocado escapes as soon as you open it (Laurel), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:56 (fifteen years ago)

it's just weird. she's a nice lady and i like her a lot,so i don;t want to to get on her case. i myself smoke and know that quitting is a bitch.

― suburbaniatee (Aerosol), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 20:11 (fifteen years ago)

lol aimless

― estela, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

What sucks is those girls who smoke but, between puffs, hold the fag out behind them and as far from their bodies/friends as possible (but really close to other tables/people, and at perfect height to burn skin/clothes of passers-by).

― Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Thursday, 10 June 2010 03:17 (fifteen years ago)

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