Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

It was eerie and surreal. I like the way the main character (I'm terrible with names), always slept in such a perfect manner. And the dream sequences with the midget were cool.

Show it again, powers that be!

Him in general -- hey, even Dune had its moments. But let me confess I still have never seen Eraserhead.

I liked the TP giant who appeared to say: "It's happening again!"
And the rude cop, Albert.

I lived in Seattle for a year, and that year coincided with the year of Twin Peaks' first season. We went to all the joints on the show, the hotel, the waterfall, the diner. Classic.

The second series: If I remember correctly it was a lot longer than the first, and it started off really well and the last episode or two is great as well, but there is this monstrously dull section in the middle where it turns into a tiresome soap opera. Soap operas are not cool.

The film: complete genius. what modern horror is meant to be like.

David Lynch generally: I think he's great.

Re: the second season: yes, the soap-opera bits were atrocious. But in retrospect, I think of them so fondly. That ridiculous part where James leaves town and gets involved in the weird love-triangle with the woman and her abusive husband? And then just comes back to Twin Peaks, as if nothing had ever happened?

"And Clint Beefsteak as Montana."

Whilst still a student I lived with someone who had all the episodes on video. In our third year, due to freak timetabling I finished my exams earlier than everyone else I knew. For three days I sat on my own and watched series one and two back to back, only speaking to stressed flatmates when they came down to make coffee.

By all accounts I was a little odd at the end of it.

I *knew* there would be a Twin Peaks thread on here somewh

I know what you mean, but seeing as there is no ending it's a bit unfair to pick on it for being a crap one. "Nonexistent" would be better.

Last week I watched episodes of On the Air, the surprisingly sitcommy show Lynch developed after Twin Peaks. Slapstick. Most of it played out like the Twin Peaks beauty pageant. Very torn as to its classicness versus dudness.

Classic, of course. I wish David Lynch had the energy to involve himself in each episode, however. The ones he directed are a world apart from the rest of the series.

The actor who played BOB (Frank Silva) died not long after Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me came out, so no danger of spotting him on the street. The scene where he crawls over the coach to Maddy's horror is terrifying.

I'll try and chase the second season.

Classic. Classic. Classic.

the seldom seen Hayward sisters Harriet (twee and so hilarious - 2 scenes) and her piano playing sister Gersten (awesome boogie woogie retainer speech affect - sadly one scene).

Another continuity error that sticks in my craw was how in the last episode, Norma and Ed repair to her home to look after Nadine (thwacked by a sandbag during the Miss Twin Peaks contest), but make no mention of Norma's sister Annie who has been kidnapped by Wyndam Earle. My guess is that David Lynch (who wrote/directed the final episode) was not too fond of the plot contrivance that was Annie and just acted as though she were marginal to the story.

I haven't even watched this series for years, but such was my devotion to it that I remember such minutae even now. Embarrassing, isn't it?

Twin Peaks: mostly Classic. Faltered a lot in the middle, and then got canned just as things were really picking up at the end. Lynch had pretty much left the other writers to do as they please, if I remember right, only to come in and ditch their plans for the last episode, leaving us with ... well, that.

I spent a month in college doing nothing but watching David Lynch stuff, for a paper. I can never watch Eraserhead again.

It's hard to believe this was ever a network television show, I can't imagine any of the networks airing something like this now (I think the failure of Mulholland Drive as a series confirms this).

I always felt like Lynch just ran out of ideas or something.

We own the DVDs for the first episodes - they're great and the "extras" aren't bad, either. Purchased the vidoes from Amazon - quality so horrid that toward the end we could not hear the dialogue. But the creepy music came through.

I liked that I kept being thrown for a loop with the plot lines. I hate it when things are predicatable. (And, well, I thought that the sheriff was a hottie - but I found Audrey more enticing. Never understood how Cooper restrained from kidnapping her and showing her the error of her ways, or something equally as entertaining.)

my other theory is that lynch, with TP, had an almost perverse understanding of what makes teenage girls with a certain disposition tick. as a dude, i can be a fan of course, but all the sinister, hidden shit going on with mom, dad, boyfriends, sisters, etc., ... everything is not okay! anyway, these theories are, like, quarter-baked, obviously.

i like the show. it's weird!

I always thought that was part of the point. You have to remember this came on toward the end of the primetime soap era (Dallas-Dynasty-Falcon Crest). I remember an interview where Lynch, typically deadpan, said he didn't see why people thought it was weird, it looked just like a regular TV show to him. A lot of people took that as a put-on, but I think he was just acknowledging how weird "normal" TV shows really are.

Here's the latest DVD news from www.lynchnet.com

"It's almost the end of 2004 and the big question everyone is asking is, what's up with Season Two of Twin Peaks on dvd? Well, here's the latest. Our sources within Paramount say it's almost a sure thing that you'll see Season Two, as well as a re-release of Season One with the Pilot included, released by Paramount as soon as the rights revert back to them around September 2005. The current rights holder, Lion's Gate (formally Artisan) has no plans to further exploit Twin Peaks or any of it's Spelling Entertainment titles due to the short time frame they have before the rights are lost. So it's all up to Paramount now. Our sources also tell us that part of the reason for the delay of Season Two in other international regions is to have one big release worldwide around the same time in every country, US included. So for you folks overseas, you're also being affected by the rights issue here in the US. The other, though somewhat lesser reason for the delay is to allow more time to work on bonus features. But Paramount is committed to TV on dvd in a big way, and is eager to exploit all the Spelling holdings once they get the rights back, Twin Peaks and Beverly Hills 90210 being the first two they are planning on releasing. Keep in mind that none of this constitutes an official announcment, so these plans are always subject to change. But it looks like there's a good chance we'll finally get to see Season Two on dvd in 2005."

That being said: one of the best shows on American TV ever, period. We will never see anything this weird and idiosyncratic on network TV ever again. The fact that it got made and broadcast at all is a minor miracle.

Albert is likewise hilarious.

Also:
God, how hot was Madchen Amick?

i love those parts. where he fucks with scene duration. a scene in which nothing happens plotwise will take 5 minutes (an eternity in tv time). the best example is the "playtime" homage in the final episode, where the old codger takes what seems to be a full hour getting from one end of the bank to the other. also the very beginning of that episode, with sherriff truman and andy as audience surrogates, anxious waiting for cooper to come out of the black lodge, and IIRC discussing coffee (naturally).

Nice. I'm glad I've held off all this time on the DVDs, patience has its virtues...

- the two-hour pilot
- six episodes of the series (including, i believe, one two-hour episode at the begining of season two)
- "twin peaks: fire walk with me"
- "the twin peaks holiday special" (hosted by lou diamond phillips and featuring the animated dwarf and giant vaudeville duo)

"February 15th 2004
Latest Rumor for Release Dates of Twin Peaks Season 2 in Europe Region 2
Leonard Krantz sends me an email today stating that Paramount will be releasing the Twin Peaks Season 2 DVD set split up into two box sets containing 4 discs each. The first to be released on September 22nd, 2005, and the second half on October 20th 2005. The set is supposed to contain new video transfers, 5.1 newly re-mastered audio, and extras to be announced. I'm looking into this rumor, but so far, it sounds pretty dead on. Eventually a US release will follow."

also

"February 4th 2005
New Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me Documentary In the Works
A new documentary based on the film Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me is in the works. If you or anyone you know were on the set during filming and have any stories or photos that you would like to share for possible inclusion in this documentary, please send an email to the following address: fwwmdoc-submit@yahoo.com. More details shortly."

between these dudes:
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me too.

she was so hot in that.

Yeah, but that vision happened before she ever went into the lodge. Dale's the one still in there.

(but yeah, I was abt to make the "ageless" remark as well, it is kinda weird)

götten

götten, escher, bach

begötten

First season's utterly classic, and I did succumb to buying the Korean import of the pilot episode as well as Eraserhead (as a Korean import as well) from eBay. "Falling" sounds even more haunting in the pilot because of the off-kilter speed they mastered the episode at.

-- cozen (skiplevel...), May 13th, 2005 10:15 AM. (Cozen) (later) (link)

let me know, if I should copy you, cozen.

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I wonder if I've said this before?

funniest moment: when annie told cooper she was going to enter the pageant. anyone remember this?

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"I'm starting to feel it!"
"WHAT!?"
"I SAID I'M STARTING TO FEEL THIS SHIT BRO!"

MOTHERFUCKERSGONNADROPTHEPRESHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

No, not that pic, I'm talking about the one of Kyle with bleeding forehead and the inexplicably bizarre look on his face.

Award-winning film Director David Lynch (Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks, Mulholland Drive) will speak on "Consciousness, Creativity and the Brain."
The three-time Oscar -nominated director, who is in the midst of directing his new film, Inland Empire, will be joined by quantum physicist Dr. John Hagelin, recently featured in the hit film What the Bleep Do We Know? and neuroscientist Dr. Alarik Arenander, director of the Brain Research Institute.

Lynch will speak on the creative process in fimmaking and how his 30-year practice of Transcendental Meditation has fostered his creativity and innovation. Hagelin and Arenander will discuss findings of new research on the effects of meditation on brain functioning, creativity, conflict, and peace. Lynch will also announce the establishment of the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace- a national nonprofit organization dedicated to bringing the stress-reducing, creativity-enhanching benefits of Transcendental Meditation to students.

(Extra seating available in 145 and 155 Dwinelle, tickets also available in the Bearcade)

From http://www.davidlynchtour.org

Thursday, November 3 • 7:30 PM
University of Southern California
Bovard Auditorium
Los Angeles, CA

Friday, November 4 • 7:30 PM
University of California at San Diego
Price Center Theater
La Jolla, CA

Saturday, November 5 • 7:30 PM
University of California at Irvine
Crystal Cove Auditorium
Orange County, CA

Sunday, November 6 • 7:30 PM
University of California at Berkeley
Wheeler Auditorium
Berkeley, CA

Monday, November 7 • 7:30 PM
University of Washington
130 Kane Hall
Seattle, WA

Tuesday, November 8 • 7:30 PM
University of Oregon
Columbia 150
Eugene, OR

Free admission and a free DVD too!

More info, please. I've been hearing about a R1 release of season 2 for years, and it has never shown up.

OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!

I should probably know, but I never go anywhere near the campus.

fuck you, cal!

http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/788176

http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/788177

It remains unclear whether the White and Black Lodges are disparate realms. One could interpret the White Lodge and Black Lodge as one and the same place—a possibility perhaps hinted at by the mirrored black and white tiling throughout the lodge. Indeed, neither black nor white stand out conspicuously in the Lodge; the dominant colour is the blood-red drapes in the background. This notion that the two Lodges are "one and the same" is consistent with the presence of other dualistic phenomena which seem to characterise the Lodge, such as the existence of one's doppelganger in apparently the same place and time.

Another conception of the Black Lodge is that it is a realm of total evil which has usurped or absorbed its White counterpart. During the second season, Windom Earle relates a past-tense story about the White Lodge which is replete with Edenic imagery, possibly suggesting that the White Lodge belonged to a time now lost or forgotten. Earle then describes the Black Lodge in the present tense, perhaps indicating that it has replaced the White Lodge

it gave the viewer more room to interpret "Bob" as a persona imagined by Laura to shield her from the psychological damage of her daddy abusing her, instead of the evil spirit

They showed the final episode on Finnish TV yesterday, and I think it's been 15 years since I last saw the episode, so I remembered little of it. I was kinda disappointed how the whole thing ended; from what I've gathered, the makers of the series knew that it'd be cancelled when the final episode was filmed, so maybe they should've tried a bit more to create some sort of a closure.

The whole story about the White Lodge and the Black Lodge was getting kinda corny, sounding like some cheap horror or fantasy story, so I'm glad Lynch dealt with the scene in the Black Lodge in his patented surreal way rather than making it some grandiose battle between forces of good and evil. However, the actual scene is way too long; it recycles previously seen characters and themes without bringing in much new, and a lot of it doesn't really seem to serve any purpose except weirdness for weirdness's sake. I think it's pretty obvious that Lynch was just making up most of it as it went along; from what I've read he discarded a lot of the original script written by Frost, Peyton & Engels. I sorta like the idea about a struggle between "good" and "evil" Cooper, but I found the final resolution to be lacking, mainly because how the character of Cooper is handled.

The whole second season seems to be dealing with the idea of good vs. and the struggle of this forces inside people. The Black vs. White Lodge was the most obvious reference here, but I thought it was more interesting how, during the second season, characters originally coded as "evil" show a gentler side, and vice versa. Ben Horne really seems to want become a better man, Leo tries to fight against Windom Earle and wanted to save Shelly, Bobby is showing genuine love towards Shelly, etc. On the other hand, Sheriff Truman is blinded by his love for Jocelyn, Pete seems to let Catherine use him, James cheats on Donna, Doc Hayward goes mad and kills/wounds Ben, etc.

But little character growth happens with Cooper. From the very beginning until before the last few scenes he was this sort of a superhero, an epitome of goodness (which, to be honest, makes him a rather boring character). So him succumbing to evil in the Black Lodge comes mostly out of the blue. Okay, his supposed flaw is that he once fell in love with Windom Earle's wife, which eventually caused her death, and judging from the scene in the Black Lodge, this was what Bob uses against him. But since this episode is long in the past, and Cooper seems to have become a better man after that, it has carries little emotional resonance for the viewer, so him losing the test put upon him in the Black Lodge doesn't feel right. It seems more like the ending was just made up for the shock value of seeing Cooper possessed by Bob.

An alternative reading of the ending is that Cooper doesn't succumb to evil, that he actually sells his soul to Windom Earle - and, therefore, to Bob - in exchange of saving Annie from the Lodge, which allows Bob to occupy his body. I guess this interpretation is more in line with Cooper's character, but it still seems like a pretty cliched and flat way of ending such an interesting series.

Here's some other questions that came to my mind while watching the last few episodes:

* In the final episode, why are Norma and Shelly and everyone else acting as if nothing has happened, even though Annie was kidnapped the night before in front of their own eyes?

* Similarly, when Audrey comes to the bank, why isn't she at all disturbed from the fact that her father was wounded/killed the night before?

* What the hell happened to Josie? Did Bob kill her, and if so, why? Is she now haunting Great Northern?

* What was the Log Lady's and her husband's role in all of this? Apparently they knew about the Black Lodge, since she provides Cooper with the jar of oil.

* What's with the twitching of hands exhibited by Coop and Pete in the third to last episode?

Also:

* Whatever happened to Mike, the one-armed man? He seemed bent on catching Bob, yet after Leland was captured he was never seen again. He knew what Bob was, so surely he also knew Bob wasn't confined to Leland's body?

* What's the deal with the Arthurian imagery in the final episode: Glastonbury Grove, the twelve trouts... And for some reason Windom Earle seemed to have needed a "queen" (Miss Twin Peaks) to enter the black lodge, even though Cooper didn't.

One of Lynch's hallmark concerns is the construction and destruction of familiarity.

Okay, his supposed flaw is that he once fell in love with Windom Earle's wife,

no its that he fell in love with Annie/didn't learn from his previous mistake.

What was wrong in felling love with Annie? It's not like she was anyone's wife or anything. Anyway, my point is that because throughout the show Cooper is shown as this thoroughly good and decent superman, his supposed fall from grace doesn't feel convincing. Cooper and Sheriff Truman are the least interesting among the main characters, because they're given less humanity than the other, morally less sound Twin Peaks residents.

From what I've gathered Lynch had pretty much abandoned Twin Peaks by the end of the second series, and only came back to direct the final episode. Also, I read a comment from one of the writers that during the second season they were often just making things up as they went along, which would explain the incoherence and loose ends in many of the later episodes. What made the first season and the beginning of the second one intriguing was the idea that there was a big, mysterious backstory to everything that was happening, and we only caught glimpses of it through dreams and visions. But when, during the second season, they started explaining it with all that Black and White Lodge mumbo jumbo, that's when I thought it got kinda stale. So maybe they should've just left supernatural stuff on the level of mystery and occasional vision, and focused more on the quirky soap opera, which I thought was the most enjoyable part of the second season.

What was wrong in felling love with Annie?

it distracted him/made him let his guard down, its a sign of "weakness", exposing vulnerabilities

is the music from season 2 available anywhere? i don't think it ever got an official release, aside from "sycamore trees" on the FIRE WALK WITH ME sndtrk.

I don't think so - I have the season 1 sdtk on CD. Unfortunately it does not include James' classic rendition of "You and I" complete with living room slapback-reverb.

So maybe they should've just left supernatural stuff on the level of mystery and occasional vision

if this were the case, then what purpose would it serve? i mean, you seem to be complaining about the supernatural stuff being too resistant to interpretation (or at least the moral universe interpretation you'd like to apply), yet your solution seems to be simply to make it more mysterious and irrelevant.

one of the many things i love about the finale is the totally black, hopeless, things-fall-apart nature of it. it's also gotta be the weirdest hour ever on american network tv.

angelo badalamenti 20 CD box set pls

tuomas just hates anything with a spiritual context

twin peaks season 2 soundtrack on the way sez angelo:
http://myspace.com/angelobadalamenti

S2 would have been dramatically improved with just a little more planning and foresight; i heart <i>Twin Peaks</i>, but it's alarming how flimsy that second season looks by today's narrative TV standards.

goddamn html my bad sry.

thank you!

I didn't mean that the supernatural aspect is supposed to be irrelevant, it's just that when they started explaining it with stuff like "in the Black Lodge you have to go through a test of courage" or "the White Lodge can be entered with love", I though it got to the level of some teenage fantasy book. In the beginning of the series, and in Lynch's subsequent work (such as Lost Highway) the surreal/supernatural stuff is more subtle, which makes it more intriguing. Even Bob stopped being scary when he was exposed too much.

LOST HIGHWAY is subtle?

"scary" is obv subjective but i thought the techniques used to alienate BOB in season 2 were more successful. in S1 he's just a dude in a jean jacket kneeling behind a couch going "GRRR" right? i find the scene where he crawls over the back of the couch towards maddy quite terrifying, despite the silliness.

i always found the friendship between cooper and truman very touching. those two are also the only characters i'm aware of who were based on specific northwestern archetypes: D.B. Cooper, the outsider who disappeared into the washington woods; Harry Truman,, the resilent local who refused to give ground. this combined with their specific investigative authority has always made me view them in a different way than the rest of the cast: more archetypal, more fated, already lost and therefore more prone to fall prey to the town's dark moods. like at some point you have to stop thinking of cooper as an ethically unique individual like the others and conflate him with the town or at least his (and our own) curiosity about the town and that this might be a way to view his fate. it's why the show does lose some of its focus when cooper goes native and starts dressing in flannel (which apparently pissed lynch off to no end). but i think the finale reclaims his character in a properly tragic way. i mean, how could this have ever ended well?

LOST HIGHWAY is subtle?

Subtle in the sense that all the weird shit that goes on is never really explained the same way it is in Twin Peaks.

i find the scene where he crawls over the back of the couch towards maddy quite terrifying, despite the silliness.

Yeah, I found that scene scary too, but after it was revealed he's an evil spirit possessing people, that's when it turned into a regular horror story. To be honest, I thought the suspense/horror aspect of the series lost it's momentum after the murder was solved and Leland was dead. I really think they should've continued the story as soap opera, maybe occasionally bring Bob back, but instead they tried to recreate the original charm by bringing in a new villain (Windom Earle) and introducing all that Black Lodge stuff, and it never worked as well as before.

this combined with their specific investigative authority has always made me view them in a different way than the rest of the cast: more archetypal, more fated, already lost and therefore more prone to fall prey to the town's dark moods.

If I remember correctly, Fire Walk With Me implies that it was no coincidence Cooper came to Twin Peaks, that maybe he was drawn there by the Black Lodge, though I'm not sure if the series ever gave that impression. But yeah, I guess you can see it all as classical tragedy, where's the hero's doom is already predestined. However, as a human tragedy it doesn't really work, because Cooper (unlike Leland) is never portrayed as the sort of a flawed human being who'd succumb to the Black Lodge. I mean, if his flaw was loving Annie, it doesn't really seem like a flaw at all (besides, I thought love was what got you the White Lodge?).

not that this makes me right or anything, but just as an aside i grew up in a small logging community in washington, and as a dorky 15 year old desperate to escape this show was MANNA FROM HEAVEN. it's the "mythology" (however scattershot) that means more to me than any other, probably my favorite cultural product ever. whenever i go back i see things in a twin peaksy way, like branches blowing randomly in a strong breeze. or perhaps more importantly, i HEAR them: lynch's episodes capture so perfectly the pervasive buzzing hum of blank, lonesome, otherworldly nature towering over you in an empty town. so classic, not dud.

it's explicit in both series and movie that cooper has a psychic connection with laura that extends backwards and forwards in time and past the limits of death and that manifests primarily in the black/white/red zone of the lodges, though obv (thankfully) this is never fully spelled out.

what's satisfying to me about cooper's doom is that it only seems predestined in retrospect: to lose yourself in a mystery is to suffer the worst fate it has to offer, though this only apparent when you can no longer escape. why doesn't cooper leave when he's suspended from the fbi? cause again i think he's no longer making totally "human" choices, and is complicit in something much larger! (and also outside the scope of "classical tragedy")

actually tuomas i'd sincerely like to hear your interpretation of the twitching hands bit!

it's explicit in both series and movie that cooper has a psychic connection with laura that extends backwards and forwards in time

Actually, I think only in the movie it is stated that Cooper has had visions of Laura before he came to Twin Peaks. The series itself doesn't make this connection.

why doesn't cooper leave when he's suspended from the fbi? cause again i think he's no longer making totally "human" choices, and is complicit in something much larger! (and also outside the scope of "classical tragedy")

Haha, I saw in that completely different light, I thought that was one of the more human moments Cooper had. I mean, I think it was made pretty clear that he stayed in Twin Peaks because he liked it there, he liked the people and the coffee and the trees and everything.

Re: the twitching hands - when Cooper's hand twitched, obviously I thought it had something to do with Bob trying to attack him, but then it happened to Pete too, after which I had no explanation. I think it was just one of those clues that never really lead anywhere, like Josie inside the wooden knob, Ben being scared of something we never see, the mystery man in the woods with Leo, Little Nicky, Windom Earle's poem to Donna, Audrey and Shelly, etc. Like I said, it seems that at some point the writers were just making stuff up as they went along, so I wouldn't read too much into it.

I watched epsiode one last night. It only really gets good when Agent Cooper appears.

The picture quality is a little murky.

It struck me the latest time I watched is that Cooper actually does enter through the White Lodge - his motivation is his love for Annie, not fear or hate - and transits between Lodges once on the other side after talking to The Man From Another Place and Laura having been given the warning "the next time you see us we will not be the same".

Does anyone have any idea what the hand signals Laura does in the final episode mean? Just something random Lynch came up with?

cooper's attraction to twin peaks is obv on a mystic/psychic level as well as a good cherry pie level, even if this isn't explicitly acknowledged. it would go against the inherent conservatism of his character to claim to want to be part of that darkness (this goes back to sexyDancer's post upthread about constructing and deconstructing familiarity).

"the wood contains many spirits, doesn't it margaret?"--josie disappears into the wood just as the log lady's husband did. people fade into their surroundings when the tragedies those surroundings have witnessed choose to claim them. the ugliness in the martell house finally rang josie's number. i've always thought of this as a classic ghost story thing.

obv they were making random shit up, mark frost said as much in a recent interview. just cause there's no nabokovian grand master whose moves you're trying to follow doesn't mean you can't see possibilities in the loose ends, and spin stoner theories till the coffee gets cold. i like to think the mystery man in the woods with leo was windam earle but who knows?

i love arguing about this show but it's too late and i'm still too drunk and i have a very important haircut first thing in the morning. actually i'm happy to blame the whole bloody mess on heather graham and billy zane and just leave it at that.

it would go against the inherent conservatism of his character to claim to want to be part of that darkness

But this would be true only if "darkness" was the defining element of Twin Peaks, and it never seemed like Cooper (or anyone else) thought that way.

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October 30th in the US. With deleted scenes and pilot!

(see http://dugpa.com/ for more info)

or this for the full press release:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7769

What, *everything* ?

:):):)

No, not everything - the Fire Walk With Me movie is still a separate release.

still, rad.

Oh FFS. I'll wait for this to massively drop in price, or a Deep Discount sale or something, and see if I can sell my other boxes.

me too, if this ever gets a R2 edition :-(

Or a fucking r4.

):):):

God dangit, I just bought the season 2 set.

They should do a "return both your season 1 and 2 boxes and get x dollar off the box" - but then so should all those labels who do exactly the same thing with CDs that we buy nevertheless.

i want this! my birthday's in december... ;)

After having seen Inland Empire it feels like the Black Lodge scene in the final episode preshadows it, since both of them show how boring Lynch can get when his imagination is given a totally free reign. I think he does need outside balancing forces (producers, co-writers, or even a goddamn script!) not to fall victim to his worst instincts.

You say boring, I say potato.

:D

It's released on my birthday!

Very glad I held off on picking up any previous sets/discs (aside from the movie). Xmas ahoy...

guess I gotta sell those Season 1 and 2 sets arrrghhh

Yeah, I held off on the boxed sets too and just borrowed them from a friend of mine who is now completely pissed off that he's going to have to shell out for this new boxed set. Oh well, I'm a leech. I'm super pumped about the deleted scenes. Perhaps the pilot will be the actual pilot and not the bizarre standalone pilot that was available forever on VHS with the nonsensical tacked-on ending.

it has both versions of the pilot

"standalone pilot with the bizarre ending" = European version

I don't know if I've ever mentioned it -- I don't think I have on here -- but the woman who played Dr. Jacoby's wife Eolani in the one scene where he's visited in the hospital by Cooper and Truman was a classmate of mine at UCLA, Jennifer Aquino; she was on the same dorm floor I was in our freshman year there, which was a couple of years before the show. Very cool and friendly person! As you can see from the link, that appearance was her first 'major' part as such (there's a piece in the Daily Bruin from that year where she was interviewed and admitted that while she loved doing it, she was a bit frustrated with the role being essentially a stereotypical eye-candy part with no lines -- can't find it online, their archives only go back to 1994) and she's been plugging away ever since.

I think gygax! RIP said it best:

You guys are misjudging that Twin Peaks was all Lynch's ideas... Mark Frost (Hill Street Blues, $6 Million Man) had a huge hand in overseeing the writing and production of the series.
-- gygax! (gygax!), Friday, October 8, 2004 10:16 AM (2 years ago)

Such good news.

About fucking time.

happy hannukah, me!

roxy otm.

between this, blade runner and the kubrick dvds i am going to be one busy nerd

not to mention a broke one, ha

so, how much?

USD 65 @ Amazon.com, out next week!

http://www.amazon.com/Twin-Peaks-Definitive-Gold-Complete/dp/B000UX6THK

(no sign of a region 2 yet, not on amazon.co.uk, at least)

Can someone tell me when the fuck the UK version of season 2 is going to be released?

I have the Dutch edition. No Dutch subtitles is kinda English too, according to the commenters on the second hand/import reviewers here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Twin-Peaks-Complete-Season-Boxset/dp/B000S2I8X6

Are you ordering it, Stan? I mean, what with the weak dollah and all... :-)

very excited.

I don't think I've seen the American version of the pilot since it was broadcast.

xpost: No, I've only bought that second season a couple of months ago and I don't think my player does R1 discs. At the very least, I'll wait a while to see if this gold edition isn't going to be released over here as well.

Did you google for info on how to unlock your DVD player? Most of'em do, you only need to find the required info on the net or... something.

Yes, and it doesn't have one. I could send it to some shoddy guy in England who will put a modchip in it and charge me half the price of a new one, so I don't think I'll bother. I can watch R1 discs on my PC (I did before I bought the TV), but I'm holding off on the gold thing mainly because I only just got that Season 2 box.

my "Gold Edition" arrived today hurrrah

This guy thinks the new set blows

no commentries?

I watch this video at least once a day
http://www.amazon.com/gp/mpd/permalink/m21O4TZUJYAQGI:m2KPIR84304F95/104-3755093-3823932

The result is a R1 season 1 boxset with some extras, a not great print, the commentaries, DTS sound but no pilot. A R2 boxset with the pilot included, but no DTS. A definitive edition that adds a bunch of new extras, restored prints, but loses DTS sound, loses the commentaries and loses some other extras that were on the individual season boxsets.

I have no idea what this guy is talking about. The box set I have is R1 and has the pilot, remastered 5.1 audio and a remastered picture from the original negative ("personally approved by David Lynch"), lots of extras but no commentaries. The commentaries were crap anyway and weren't by Lynch, who really cares about those...?

I think the first two sentences in that quote are referring to the original season one releases. And the third sentence is talking about the new box set. He doesn't explain himself very clearly I admit.

I have a hard time thinking that a) DTS is somehow demonstrably superior to a 5.1 audio remaster approved by Lynch himself (esp. considering that this was a fucking TV SHOW that was originally intended for broadcast across shitty TV speakers) and b) that ditching the commentaries (which were not that interesting to begin with) is somehow a horrible loss. I mean, these are his major complaints, this nitpicking bullshit?

Besides, isn't Lynch a notorious commentary hater?

I watch this video at least once a day

And to think that five years later was Showgirls.

I'm not a big fan of commentaries unless the commentator is REALLY funny and/or a natural storyteller filled with fascinating anecdotes - I gave a cursory check through the commentaries on the original season 1 box (mostly by the directors, cinematographers, script writers, etc.) and they were totally fucking boring, just blathering about set design minutiae and lighting rigs and things like that. Largely pointless.

(Jodorowsky and Anger both give good commentaries, for ex.)

BTW, when I saw Lynch speak last week someone asked him about the deleted scenes from Twin Peaks: Walk With Me and, in perhaps his most straightforeward reply of the evening, he said that he was going to be working on the transfer (in Paris, I think) and that they would indeed be coming out.

got the R2 in the shop today (already have the season 1 & 2 box sets, couldn't help myself, shouldn't be allowed near shops I guess - sigh) :-)

The debut episode of Twin Peaks is one of my weirder memories...I was...12?...(yes, you shall all feel aged now)...and I was in the hospital. Earlier that day I had been in surgery and had slept for 17 hours straight; they thought I wasn't going to wake up. When I did, the first thing I did, inexplicably, was demand that I watch Twin Peaks and ate four sandwiches. I've never been right since.
― jess, Wednesday, September 5, 2001 8:00 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^this is great

just watched the pilot (for the zillionth time) of this last night. still my all-time favorite television show despite its descent into shit partway through the second season.

still my all-time favorite television show despite its descent into shit partway through the second season.

OTM, but: I recently re-watched the second season for the first time in many years and, though the mid-season sag is justly maligned by many, I think it is great for campy fun (particularly the sub-Cinemax Noir 101 plotline with James and the femme fatale) and mostly a pleasant diversion between the murder mystery & Windom Earle/ Black Lodge main themes. This was also the first time I had watched the second season on DVD, as opposed to my VHS dubs from the shows original prime time run (complete with Desert Storm newsbreaks and even a random episode of Cop Rock!). One might imagine how those VHS tapes have held up after (gulp) almost 20 years of near-perpetual abuse (I had a serious TP jones as a teenager & the tapes have been loaned out to countless interested parties over the years, usually at my insistence). Anyway, what I'm taking the long route to getting at is that I was blown away by how red-saturated the DVD transfer was. I had thought that the oversaturation was due to my third-hand dubs, but I realized that Lynch really did push the red that hard, and it totally worked! The perpetual exaggeration of warm tones is just as key to the aesthetic as the music or coffee/cherry pie/logtrucks.

Just got the last set of DVDs from the library. I started watching ages ago and got bogged down in the aforementioned descent into shit. Now I've just got the last episode to go, which I've never seen!

Everyone's hands inexplicably shaking in the third-to-last ep = awesome

Clotpoll, you're in for a big treat. TP last episode = best. shit. ever.

the bf and i holed up in my new "multimedia room" for 2 days, baked a cherry pie, drank coffee and just watched all of these. he'd never seen them before, this was my 6th or 7th time watching the series all the way through including its original airing -- i was 9. someday, my log will have something to say about this.

I might be too hard on the second season drop-off there, it's been a while since I've watched those episodes. It seemed basically like a lot of less talented people trying to emulate Lynch's weirdness and coming up with lame, self-conscious quirk that completely misses what made the show special in the first place. The storylines aren't particularly interesting. The Windham Earle plot, which had the potential to be great, was completely wasted. Too much time is spent with James, my least favorite character. I think this has more to do with the actor, James Marshall, who possesses some kind of magical anti-charisma. The Black Lodge stuff kept me interested though.

I spent a night drinking with a friend of mine who is also a big TP fan. We nerdily went through the boxed sent and picked out favorite scenes. There's a great moment in Season 2 where Major Briggs calls Bobby over in the diner and tells him about a dream he had about Bobby's future. Totally oddball, touching father-son moment that seems just kind of tossed in there. We, being fairly smashed and sentimental at that point, watched the scene about 10 times and talked about our dads. The next day said friend found Don S. Davis, AKA Maj. Briggs, on MySpace (!?) and sent him a message about how fantastic his work on the series was and mentioned that scene in particular. He responded fairly quickly with a super-nice message about what a great actor Dana Ashbrook was to work with and how he treasures the time he had on the show. Two weeks later, the guy passed away. That really bummed us out. Made us realize how emotionally invested we were in the show. I can't really say I've ever had anything remotely like that with any other television show. Or film or novel for that matter.

Aw, poor Pete.

Wish I hadn't been spoiled for a lot of the actual plot developments but it's not like that matters with the Black Lodge stuff. Yeah, fantastic.

David Lynch in general, sucks ass. This is after having watched only 2 films: Blue Velvet and Mulholland drive Drive. I'm never going to give him points for innovation and great pathos/art direction in some scenes (or whatever it is that people like best about his films)... because the movies (Blue Velvet and Mulholland drive Drive)as a whole suck ass.

That was the same problem with Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
And I refuse to like uhh whats it called. umm Garden State for different reasons. As a whole, it sucked balls (but not as bad as the other two). Juno is OK with me and Little Miss Sunshine is better than OK. Thanks for reading my rant.

but I never saw twin peaks either.. just so you fanboys/girls won't cry because someone is hating your favorite tv series or whatnot.

Thanks, CaptainLorax.

Twin Peaks has dated horribly. I tried showing 'er indoors recently and neither of us could sit through it. At the time it was the best thing ever, though.

Anyone who hates Blue Velvet or Twin Peaks is DEAD TO ME.

Juno and Little Miss Sunshine can go fuck each other.

also, don't understand connection to TP.

I like your opinions CaptainLorax I would like to hear more.

I don't think anyone had made that undeniable ass-sucking connection between Eternal Sunshine and Blue Velvet before.

Also, your explanation of the ball-sucking vs ass-sucking binary is clearly a landmark in 21st century film criticism.

I have to take the whole movie into consideration when I judge film. I'm really a structuralist as a critic. If some parts/elements/characters/plot/scenes suck balls or ass it is entirely relevant to the whole of the movie. And that's the best way to judge a movie, your initial impression. No technical jargon. So "suck ass" is a completely meaningful analysis. And so is "suck balls".

When people ask how good was that movie? The word good, is an emotion, kinda like it sucked balls is an negative emotion. The rating system is inherently emotional based.

which brings me back to using an initial impression as a good determinant of the movie as a whole.

What parts/elements/characters/plot/scenes did you think sucked balls or ass in Blue Velvet? Honestly curious. Always thought that was one of his most cohesive films.

it was just kinda boring, in an eyes wide shut sort of way

still not a bad film, just not great

and playing with taboo in movies... I just saw the film called Pathology - worst movie ever.

so didn't suck ass. it was good but boring.

but Juno (the most obnoxious film ever made in the history of the world) and Little Miss Sunshine were good or great because you felt swell about them coming out of a theater. and any sort of analysis outside of straight emotional impressions isn't really important. does your left brain function when you watch a film? i mean, not saying Lynch is some CEREBRAL SHIT, but come on man. there's certainly more there than the irritating twee horseshit that you mentioned.

i'm kinda drunk too, but i'm not getting anything other than "I LIKED IT AND THEREFORE IT IS GOOD". not much fun for discussion.

for me, cerebral shit has to be more intelligent than what Lynch is getting into.
I do enjoy delving into intelligent soulful shit or great art and emotional concepts, but, give me John Waters - Polyester, or Clockwork Orange, or Suspiria over a movie where the whole premise is basically an abduction of a guy into a weird artsy world... some scenes might of had great cinematography but I see great cinematography + better plot in other movies. I like lots of movies that make me think more than Blue Velvet. I wish I could thing of a great thought provoking movie now or a movie that is all around good and has an unique weird art style.. but I'm grasping at straws for names at the moment. How about City of God or Life Aquatic or A Boy and his Dog or The Warriors or The Seven Samurai or A Few Dollars More

I think that there can be intellectualism in cinematography or art direction even if the film isn't particularly thought provoking - Lynch fans should agree with me on this point.

whatever im friends with David Lynch on FACEBOOK captainlorax

lorax, did you just srsly throw down the gauntlet of "Life Aquatic vs. Lynch, which is smarter?"

which art direction + plot is better: blue velvet vs. life aquatic. that's what I was mentioning those movies for.

Hey Lorax Fistful of Dollars pwnes A Few Dollars More

see the problem here is that too many people skip the step in the iconoclast flowchart where it says "is it possible that i am confusing 'having different and interesting worldview' with 'being mildly retarded' Y/N?"

the way lynch crafts the people, their emotional responses, underlying feelings & motivations can be very intellectual, or rather - not used in the vast majority of movies... thats where I see him as an intellectual. that and the art direction, style and cinematography can be intellectual. The plot of Blue Velvet didn't intrigue me.

I wish I could remember the great "artsy" movie I saw this past year.

help me list some good films where the left brain is obviously stimulated

New Topic: help me list some good films where the left brain is obviously stimulated

I think that there can be intellectualism in cinematography or art direction even if the film isn't particularly thought provoking - Lynch fans should agree with me on this point.

Using intellectualism in conjunction with any Lynch movie makes absolutely no sense at all whatsoever.

I've never seen Twin Peaks, but will do soon.

However I saw Blue Velvet about 2 weeks ago on TV and thought it was one of the best films I'd ever seen. Some of the inexplicable bits are incredible, they let you think and try and decide what they mean yourself. I like the level of ambiguity there. Also it's really enthralling in and of itself, like the final scene with Julee Cruise playing as the bug is crushed by the bird. It takes guts to do things that don't make clear and absolute sense.

CLASSIC

Even after the second season when they find the killer and Lynch isn't directing anymore and you know it will never be as good as it once was, you still CANNOT STOP WATCHING. Love the show. Except I wanna kick Billy Zane in the nards.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/76/picture1sy2.png

^^^ this is like my favourite moment in television

James Marshall is truly one of the world's worst. He and Eric Da Re and all the other crappy actors make the show more lolably soap operatic though, which is obviously classic.

caek otm, that scene never fails to make me tear up a little

FYI, folx:

Full Series Streaming on CBS Site

Now you can go about squandering your work day.

YES, thank you caek!

It's weird that you dig John Waters stuff, ACO, and Suspiria, CaptainLorax, but not Blue Velvet. I mean, these aren't terribly dissimilar.

Also, I don't mean to imply that Lynch is an intellectual filmmaker AT ALL. The guy himself openly talks about his process as being nearly wholly intuitive.

intuitions, complex emotions, can be intellectual... art can be challenging.

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intuitions, complex emotions, can be intellectual... art can be challenging.

― CaptainLorax, Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:29 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so can opinions

That scene freaked me the fuck out the first time i saw that movie. Almost as much as the weird face at the end of Inland Empire.

whats the point, he just has a normal movie with eerie settings and throws in something surprising

wheres the meat?

Dude has the uncanny ability to transform Norman Rockwell-worthy mundane Americana into something genuinely unsettling. That takes a special kind of talent. I am a horror buff, and I find certain Lynch scenes far more spooky than even the scariest of "scary movies." If nothing else, you've got to give the man his due for his expertise in dread and tension.

I mean: Robert Blake cell-phone scene in Lost Highway. wtf

Norman Rockwell-worthy mundane Americana - no one believes in that
it's already unsettling you can look out the window

I'm not talking about actual reality. I'm talking about Garrison Keillor/Leave it to Beaver-type shit.

Since this is a TP thread, I'll use this as an example: In a certain pivotal episode in Season 2, there is a scene with the Palmers discussing Maddy's move home to Montana as Leland plays "What a Wonderful World" on the phonograph. There is nothing outwardly sinister about the scene at all, but the elements are combined in such a way as to leave you feeling totally uncomfortable.

I fell totally uncomfortable watching bad movies too.

That is because you are a structuralist. Post-structuralists have a lot more fun watching "bad" movies. lol

Maddy's move home to Montana as Leland plays "What a Wonderful World" on the phonograph. There is nothing outwardly sinister about the scene at all, but the elements are combined in such a way as to leave you feeling totally uncomfortable.

Even better is that later in that episode, when Leland murders her, the needle is stuck in the runoff groove of this same record.

I would also like to submit that the murder of Maddie is one of the scariest sequences ever to be shown on network TV.

OMG also, interview with actor who plays BOB (starts about 1:50). Still fucking creepy, even when behaving normally:

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Awesome. Sigh.

here is is

OMG Leland murders her?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

j/k

I would also like to submit that the murder of Maddie is one of the scariest sequences ever to be shown on network TV.

YES

yo the special feature doc on the twin peaks movie dvd is really funny. Whoever edited it made most of the actors who took part in it look like huge idiots

Hawk: Some of my best friends are white people.

That scene freaked me the fuck out the first time i saw that movie. Almost as much as the weird face at the end of Inland Empire.

― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 29 September 2008 10:15 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I got around to watching Inland Empire and that face is pretty fukking nasty

http://api.ning.com/files/-jTS6W3nJqm58uuppaYSG0nyNTVVOTjcc1HUbl4TWuI_/InlandEmpireScream2.jpg

yeeeeeeeeah I should not have clicked on that.

whats the point, he just has a normal movie with eerie settings and throws in something surprising

― CaptainLorax, Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:54 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest

I can't think of a single David Lynch movie that would qualify as a normal movie, even if you would go in an remove the obvious 'weird' parts. The dialogue alone throughout his movies is enough to make them a surreal experience.

yeah - Lynch's sense of pacing is nothing like a "normal" movie

DNFTT?

That scene freaked me the fuck out the first time i saw that movie. Almost as much as the weird face at the end of Inland Empire.

― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 29 September 2008 10:15 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I got around to watching Inland Empire and that face is pretty fukking nasty

― wilter, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 00:18 (Yesterday) Bookmark

Yes. Also I've just realised that's Laura Dern's face, isn't it? It's the same as the bit when she's running in slow motion under a spotlight, then abruptly zooms right into the camera with a really terrifying stretchy-mouthed rictus. That bit really shat me up.

http://i36.tinypic.com/25i446v.jpg
when the face turns into ^^this, it seems to be underwater, the blood kind of floats up?

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah I need to stop clicking on those.

after watching that murder scene on TV, I think it was late 1990? I went to a graveyard shift at the bagel bakery and carried a big knife around with me all night because I was so scared.

next week we all got ready to watch the show and my girlfriend and I suddenly realized that there would be "last week on Twin Peaks" clips and we ran and hid in my room while my housemates screamed in horror, again.

i am trying not to read this thread until i finish watching this thing, but ep 15 (first post Leland-as-Bob) was not directed by Lynch, right? this is unwatchable.

i guess he only directed a few of them. and i think it's the writing, really. what happened here?

i don't remember when i stopped watching the first time around

i am trying not to read this thread until i finish watching this thing, but ep 15 (first post Leland-as-Bob) was not directed by Lynch, right? this is unwatchable.

that was my exact reaction while i was into this show and saw that episode. i stopped watching it after that episode and have never picked it back up.

after reading this thread i've decided i need to see the rest of season 2!

'Neb, it's not nearly the worst in that season. That particular episode was written by Scott Frost (brother of Mark, he also wrote the autobio of Cooper -- "My Life, My Tapes") and directed by Caleb Deschanel.

i.e. it only goes downhill from here. Though there is an upswing when Coop figures everything out, it goes WAY further down after that. Then back up again whe Wyndham comes around.

*when

(The other episode that Scott directed is the one in which the big highlight is that Leo Johnson is reanimated, but mostly all that goes on is more boring-ass James/Evelyn crap, i.e. worst plot ever)

(And I'm happy to blame Scott for the badness of that particular episode you mentioned, 'Neb, because Caleb directed a couple of other episodes. One is in the first few [5, I'm pretty sure] and is a classic, and the other is the one in which Dick Tremaine imagines Little Nicky in a thought bubble over his head dressed as Satan, ergo classic.)

i guess he only directed a few of them. and i think it's the writing, really. what happened here?

I think by the second season Lynch had already lost interest with TP, he went on to direct Wild at Heart, and only returned to do the final episode of series. But the lack of Lynch isn't really the biggest problem, since he didn't write or direct most of season 1 either. I think the main problem is that apparently Frost and Lynch had few long-term plans about what would happen in the series once the mystery of Laura's death was solved... IIRC Lynch never wanted that mystery to be revealed in the first place, whereas Frost thought that audience will eventually want to know who killed Laura. I remember reading an interview with one of the main writers of the series, and he mentioned that after Laura's murder was resolved the writers were often just making up the plot as it went along, which I think explains the uneven nature of the second half of season 2. (Though there are still some fine things in there, like the bits with Andy and Dick Tremaine and Little Nick.) Then again, even if you're the most skilled of writers, it's kinda hard to keep up people's interest in a series whose main driving force has been a murder mystery, and that mystery has just been solved.

I found the Wyndham Earle stuff really tedious (oh and it's actually spelt Windom, which also irritated me). And the pacing is so weird, things seem to get put aside or even forgotten about, like when the one-armed man turns up at the police station to sell Harry some shoes, but Harry's away, and doesn't see him for another two or three episodes, between which he just vanishes. Or when Coop is going to rescue Audrey and tells Harry to get one of his best men to meet him at 9pm - so when Harry himself turns up at 9pm you think "right let's go rescue Audrey!" but no, they actually do it the next evening. Or when Lucy says "Deputy Hawk is in your office, he's with someone I've never seen before but he looks really sad..." - who? He's never referred to again! And yet there is the confusing appearance of a minor character called "Cappy", a sherriff's assistant or perhaps a Bookhouse Boy, who is otherwise only seen for split-second in episode 6.

(Those last two bits from ep. 20.)

The movie is really great though, it really brings into sharp and terrifying focus the horror in Laura's life, often referred to in the series but never really felt.

just bought the whole series box set a few weeks ago, and i don't plan on ever watching most of season 2 for the reasons enumerated above. even as a 13-year-old watching them as they originally aired, i realized something was off.

season 2 on the whole is obviously not as good but people are too hard on it as a whole. with the exception of the diane keaton directed episode, it's always at least mildly entertaining.

The film totally elucidates what's going with Bob/the Little Man/the Lodges, etc. The proof is in the Garmonbozia!

no it doesn't.

Yeah, it does, actually! You might have to watch it 90 times and read the script, but it definitely clarifies a few things.

season two is kind of worth slogging through for the finale

xpost. it totally clarifies things, I had no idea that the Little Man was Mike ("I am the arm and I go woo woo woo"), or that the giant was also evil (he is also in on the gormonbozia eating). In fact I wasn't even sure that the Little Man was evil.

And yes, season two is worth slogging through for the finale as it is definitely in the top 3 episodes. Arguably the best episode.

I recently watched both seasons and the movie in the space of about four days. It was quite immersive and totally awesome. Especially as it was my first time watching the second season and the movie.

did you watch the documentary that comes w/ the movie dvd

I love it so much that I know I posted about it here a long time ago and I'm posting about it again!!!!

maybe i'll re-watch FWWM. not alone though, i'd get scared.

someone explain the garbanzo thing, I've seen everything and have no idea what it is

damn, no, I torrented the movie and loaned the tv show off my friend! Would really like to watch the documentary!

The movie to me is just one of the scariest films I've ever seen, being someone who generally isn't frightened by movies. Also the incest/sexual abuse angle which is avoided to some extent in the series (in the series Leland is meant to be under BOB's control when he's abusing Laura, and remembers nothing of it afterwards, in the film we see that he does remember, and there's the horrific line "I always thought you knew it was me" or something along those lines. Totally o_0

My interpretation of gormonbozia is that it's the sustenance for the people who live in the black lodge, as Laura's murder produces gormonbozia, and also Mike is angry at Bob for stealing his gormonbozia, I would say that this comes from the evil shit that Bob does/the fear that it creates.

Check out the still picture of the "above a convenience store" scene that happens when the midge is sitting across from bob at the formica table.

("I am the arm and I go woo woo woo")

You hear this "woo woo woo" (turn up the volume a little and pay attention) when Mike starts harrassing Leland in his car on the road, and also when it shows the electrical poles at the trailer park (<<<this is, I think, very important).

"Electricity!"

yeah, that woo woo woo bit with Mike in the car was like a major point for me, but really easy to miss. Must admit that I did miss it at the part with the electrical poles at the trailer park!

i've only watched fwwm once, not something I could easily rewatch by myself either because of aforementioned scary-as-fuckness.

xpost. it totally clarifies things, I had no idea that the Little Man was Mike ("I am the arm and I go woo woo woo"), or that the giant was also evil (he is also in on the gormonbozia eating).

This is wrong, the Giant isn't even in FWWM.

Yeah, it is a little rough, though the Little Man is the arm.

Yeah, it is a little rough, though the Little Man is the arm.

Yeah, it is a little rough, though the Little Man is the arm.

oooooooooooooohkay! Did not intend to post that thrice.

giant guy is evil?

Nope!

oh yeah, giant guy isn't in the film. but i mean that the film seems to indicate that all the inhabitants of the Red Room are evil (apart from Cooper and Laura Palmer).

Well, I'm not so sure about Mike. He wants the garmonbozia from Bob at the very end, but on the other hand he clearly is trying to warn Laura and stop Bob.

i am still trying not to read this thread

the downhill trend/Scott problem is coming back to me. Caleb is responsible in part for my favorite movie, so I remember hoping he wasn't too much to blame. i vaguely recall leo's return and am vaguely dreading it, tho anything to get bobby to shut up if that's a side effect.

i think the most unforgivable part of the second season is Windom using Leo as his slave, when he doesn't actually get him to do anything but sharpen sticks or whatever, just so there's an excuse for Windom to give long expository monologues.

but on the other hand he clearly is trying to warn Laura and stop Bob.

― O Bama, Up Yours! (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:25 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...but only because Bob cheated him and the arm out of their share of Garmonbozia. FWIW, I don't see the inhabitants of the Red Room or Lodge (or convenience store apartment) as evil forces or good forces; they're all a mixed bag and changeable.

No the worst thing about season 2 is the whole thing with James and the married couple that takes place outside of Twin Peaks and in no way ties in with the rest of the story.

^truth. the worst thing in tp history

yes I agree actually. Though obviously as above would suggest I'm on shakey ground with Twin Peaks. But really. It is soap opera, we know that, but don't move it out of Twin Peaks and then add nothing to it with petty soap opera bullshit. Also James can't act, I wish he got put down for putting the code red on Santiago.

xp Possibly the worst thing in television history.

HOw;s AN=nie?

A recurring problem with season 2 is that instead of playing with soap opera conventions, they'll just have a really bad soap opera plot.

I thought the James/femme fatale bits would have been improved if, in that town, a surreal, twin peaks-esque soap was popular on TV.

a right-stuff-astronaut-march shot and tilted cameras to open ep 16 - this just gets worse, doesn't it?

that billy zane shit i remember making me zzzzzzzzzzzz

billy zzzzzzane more like it amirite

Ok - should I see FWIW before reading this thread?? I just re-watched both seasons.

lol not FWIW - FWWM, obv.

right-stuff-astronaut-march shot and tilted cameras to open ep 16 - this just gets worse, doesn't it?

― a mountain climber who plays an electric guitar (gabbneb), Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:34 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is corny but i love it anyways

http://images.nicekicks.com/images/twin-peaks-dunk-3.jpg

http://www.nicekicks.com/nike-sb-dunk-high-premium-twin-peaks/

OK, so this is my new favorite thing: Agt. Cooper's dream sequence from the first season auf Deutsch! Interestingly enough, while the backmasked Black Lodge dialog is a German dub, the subtitles are in English. Really, that just seems to defeat the whole purpose of the effort, but who am I to argue with this treasure.

Oh God this is great. It's just that much creepier.

Also, I kind of love this tattoo.

http://www.bmeink.com/A80812/high/nppq-damn-fine.jpg

oops

http://www.bmeink.com/A80812/high/nppq-damn-fine.jpg

If I were going to get a TP-themed tattoo, I think I'd go with Sherilyn Fenn's butt, with a butt-shaped tattoo on it, and I'd get it right on my butt.

in college i met this guy who had the map to the black lodge elaborately tattooed on his neck. i wonder what ever happened to that guy?

Vanished to an extradimensional plane if I had to guess.

in college i met this guy who had the map to the black lodge elaborately tattooed on his neck. i wonder what ever happened to that guy?

That is the coolest thing I have ever heard!

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I've been recording these off Chiller lately. Total classic.

That "Winkies" scene in "Mulholland Drive" still gives me the fuckin' major creeps.

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That "Winkies" scene in "Mulholland Drive" still gives me the fuckin' major creeps.

― Alex in NYC, Friday, May 8, 2009 7:45 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Same here! What I find so fascinating about it though is that the LEAST scary part is actually when "evil dude" appears.

It's all about the build-up.

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RIP don s davis

I wonder if he was hired for X-Files because of his role Twin Peaks? Both characters were army guys with UFO connections, seems too much of a coincidence.