Who Has The Worst Taste On ILE? And The Best?

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I just said on ILM that somebody has the worst taste on the board. I was then going to ask the qn generally of ILM but I thought I'd ask it here instead since it can apply to more than just music - who has the worst taste on ILE?

Now I know taste is an entirely subjective thing and that's how this question should be taken - also (in my book at least) a judgement of taste is not a judgement on how nice or fun or valuable etc. that person is. What I'm asking is - who is the person on ILE whose aesthetic judgements you most often disagree with, and who do you most often agree with?

― Tom, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I find Omar and Dr. C to be spot on about most things except Urge Overkill obviously.

― Michael Bourke, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

to spare me having to search through ilm, who'd you say had the worst taste, tom?

― fred solinger, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Alex the Killing Joke fan, after his curt instruction to Tim F to "Raise your standards." Oooh, get us, etc.

― Tom, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dan is of course a man of unimpeachable correctness and virtue, a true leader in the ways and means of music appreciation, a genius to which we should all bow our heads. Those who disagree are fools, ingrates and mongs.

Disagree with -- *scratches head*...dunno, really.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't anyone has impeccable/horrible taste in music. I don't think I have the authority to judge someone else's taste. It is all relative. Who do I most agree with? Myself.

― nathalie, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Swap "Ned" for "Dan in Ned's answer and you've got mine. Sometimes it's convenient being someone's cosmic twin.

― Dan Perry, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes indeed, yes yes.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think we all have impeccible taste. Phnyeah.

No, wait - Fred doesn't like Jay-Z, loves Air. Scratch him.

No, wait - Tom lurves Bob the Builder. Ixnay.

No, wait - Ned & Dan both love the Cure. Ish.

No, wait - our tastes are TERRIBLE. Never mind. Moot post. Carry on.

― David Raposa, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dave, what are you TAWKIN' about? i LOVE jigga. the only negative thing i can say about the new album is that there aren't enough timbaland tracks (their collabs on the his last REAL album made for some of the best hip-hop in recent times. sidenote: remember when folks thought timbaland couldn't "do" hip-hop? when he was doing tracks for nas?)

on the other hand, i do love air. for which i will offer no apologies!

― fred solinger, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh. Must've misread you. Disregard any previous comments made regarding Solinger's love of Jay Hova. Thank you and good day. (Stupid headache...)

― David Raposa, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Good riddance to Timbaland, his joints are better than ever for it.

― Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Can someone explain how the word 'joint' came to mean 'track'? It's not really crossed the 'pond' yet I don't think and I still cringe everytime I see it - it makes it look like Jay-Z's been having arthritis trouble.

― Tom, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

R&B: "rock this joint" = raise the rafters high with our jollity usw
hiphop: "rock the joint" = early and much- used scratchy-samply thing, shifting from R&B meaning to disco-floor meaning (?ie from the architectural environment to the sonic environment? kinda just like HOUSE snd GARAGE haha)

Also: "A Spike Lee Joint" = "I made that!" = "Sit Ubu Sit: Good Dog" = the Dub Housing link (somewhere in this equation i began reaching...)

― mark s, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

good riddance? he did one of the best tracks on this album and a handful of the best from s. carter -- have we forgotten "big pimpin'" so soon? (i'd really love to know who did "girls, girls, girls" -- the strings, as tim says, are perhaps the best sounding thing ever.)

― fred solinger, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The worst taste: Pete Baran and Emma Hamilton.

The best taste: Gareth Lee and Marcello Carlin.

― Robin Carmody, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wait...we're NOT talking about salty, sour, etc?

― jess, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jay-Z with arthritis, hunched over, whinging...that's actually highly amusing.

Anyhow, as I said, his music is all the better for it. Big Pimpin' IS a great song. It's ONE great song. Timbaland and Jay have collaborated on quite a lot of very good work, but it's getting played out - quite frankly, it's gotten to the point where ANYONE can put together a Timbaland/Jigga joint and that's that. If Jay released another album full of that style, would anyone care about The Blueprint? It'd be a good party album that sounds exactly like the last three he did. "Good riddance"? Yes, of course, because some of us like hearing new sounds every once and a while.

The Blueprint is, in my opinion, his best album yet. That is what I mean by "he's all the better for it". But you also think that Izzo is cumbersome, Fred, so I rather expected you to whine for a little old-style.

Tangent: I believe Timbaland lives above my work. I am to the point on the Tim tip that I want to walk up there and knock on the door and tell him that I find him overrated and I want the Neptunes to come smack his bitch up.

― Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, and as great as Hola Hovito is, it's better (IMO) for the lyrics than anything else, though it does sound great. And it's probably like 3rd or 4th on my list of "Favorite Songs From New Jay-Z Album".

Oh, can I use these last two posts as my answer to the question "Who has the worst taste on ILE?" I hadn't answered because I figured everyone knew who I thought had horrible taste. Ian White and me have the best taste.

― Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Maybe I shouldn't have asked this question because I wonder if some people here take taste differences a lot more seriously than I do. I should say that Isabel and I have very different tastes in almost everything bar food, pop and soft toys, and that one of my favourite people has the worst music taste IN THE WORLD. Liking rubbish things is no bar to being wuvved by me.

I'm also pretty certain that Ronan, Kate and the Pinefox would be quick to nominate me, so I'm getting my retaliation in first. I'm only really talking about music here. (And I'd rather read those people talking about the things they like than a mob of professional hacks talking about the stuff I like, too.)

Best taste? It's important to be choosy, I reckon (I have dreadful taste myself). Tim F's dance recommendations carry weight, Andrew L and Josh I listen to, Ian and Gareth like cool stuff, and Alex T would walk it except for all those awful dronerock records. But the people with the smartest taste on ILE I reckon are Tim H and Emma: neither of them have ever raved about something awful, by my knowledge.

― Tom, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and so if jay-z and tim were to work on more songs they of course would sound like their older tracks together, i.e. neither artist has evolved at all since then. (cf. "hola hovito.") thus the "older stuff" which i am whingeing for. makes perfect sense. (actually, if the blueprint resembles any jay album, it's his debut. which is really old stuff, man.)

is "izzo" cumbersome? not exactly. do i find it rolls off the tongue quite naturally? no, not at all, and if you do, you have the epiglottis of the gods.

and i agree, i have the worst taste on here, if that's what you meant by your oblique reference. i find myself disagreeing with...myself more and more these days!

― fred solinger, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and, tom, you may be tickled to know that your bitchy statement to alex in nyc has started a mirror thread at ilm.

― fred solinger, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom -- I think the "joint" etymology goes as far back as "joint" meaning "place," as in a place in the southern U.S. where you could dance to a jukebox being called a "juke joint." And then through about seventy million different black-slang applications, we have momentarily settled on the present usage.

I think it'd be cool if the U.N. started referring to joint military operations as just "joints." Like, "yeah, we got this new joint dropping in Macedonia."

― Nitsuh, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually Tom, I thought you'd nominate me : ) We won't nominate each other then ok? I don't know enough of all of your tastes to answer this but I figure most people here like at least, at the very least a few bands I like, such is the level of tolerance here. I like having people disagree with me actually cos with my mates they just have a sort of "yeah well we don't know or care, you're probably right" attitude. It's nice to see a bit of debate basically is what I'm saying. And its nice to finally find some Aphex fans to vent my rage on : ) I don't have a clue actually what most of you like, I wasn't even sure all the ILE regulars were into music.

― Ronan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ronan- what the hell is wrong with Aphex's "Girl/Boy Song?"

― Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd nominate myself, only I have no taste at all. Ergo, I am immune to criticism!

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wider question hinted at by Mitch: Why don't people like _Richard D. James_ as an album? My only beef with it is that it's too short.

― Dan Perry, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dan, I dig yr contribs, but was gonna nominate you as someone whose tastes I really didn't share, until you said the above abt the 'Richard D. James' alb - couldn't agree more, and I even think the brevity is part of its perfection.

Anyway, there are loads of posters whose tastes/opinions I respect or am intrigued by - Tom, Marcello, Robin, Suzy, Gareth, Mark S (when he is not saying nasty things abt 'A Love Supreme'), Melissa (apart frm Radiohead, obv.), Nitsuh, Arthur, Nathalie, Jess, Momus, Tim F, Pete, Duane, AP, etc. etc. I wld say that Pinefox is the person whose taste in music fills me w/the deepest dread (particularly 'cos of the many things he hates that I love) - but I always enjoy his posts, and I seem to agree w/him more often than not abt the wider 'culture'. Go figure. IL* has been an education for me, in that I've learnt to enjoy the 'company' of people who adore things that I loathe - the training and education of a music snob, no less.

― Andrew L, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think it'd be cool if the U.N. started referring to joint military operations as just "joints." Like, "yeah, we got this new joint dropping in Macedonia."

Oh, that and disco are easily my new way of speaking. Goddamn, folks.

― Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, I usually agree with Ally more than anyone else. So: best taste.

The worst taste doesn't even post here yet, he's my blog partner. Tonight he's skipping Cannibal Ox to go see the Mighty Mighty Bosstones.

― Ian White, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well if we're going to talk about people who don't post, then easily the worst taste on ILE is my sister Megan. She doesn't post or probably read this bitch, but she listens to Christian Contemporary and Country, and hates Britney Spears. Now that's bad taste. Otis has a crush on her, I think, but he won't admit it.

― Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Otis might want to reconsider. Ian, I just visited your blog and realized that your partner had nothing but praise for the Gorillaz album. HE MUST THEREFORE BE KILLED.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nah, it probably would make Otis like her more, he likes people who irritate him.

― Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They should totally hook up. I would so love to hear the conversation as they decide whether to play Turbonegro and the Wipers or Amy Grant and Bob Carlisle in the car.

― Ian White, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ain't any of those gettin' play if I'm in the car. Otherwise I'll put on Big Pimpin' supa loud again and SING ALONG like I did last time I was in a car with Otis.

― Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I just don't like Aphex Twin k? I've heard Boy/Girl song and I've heard his albums enough times, having seen him live I've grown to dislike him more also. He has all those Warp Exclusive fans aswell.

― Ronan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Melissa (apart frm Radiohead, obv.)

Haha, somehow I was expecting this.
Radiohead and I are inseparable!
Like, err, that saying...something to do with taking someone out of the country? I can't remember...

― Melissa W, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i think the tastes that are closest to mine, are Tim Finney, Richard T and Rebecca. then there are a large number of people with which there is a lot of common ground.

worst? well. lets say furthest from my own. Fred, and Alex in...

― gareth, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

On ILM I forgot to mention Dr.C, probably because it's too obvious. Although I'm a bit worried by this recent obsession with 2nd hand 80s albums. ;)

Disagree? Wouldn't know.

― Omar, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Andrew, you're intrigued by my taste?!? Eh? I have the crappiest taste EVAH. I listen to Rumours but then I also like Metal Machine Music. I love Beverly Hills 90210 . On the other hand I also like Eraserhead. Scrap crappiest and replace with inconsistent.
Although I don't really agree with Omar all the time, I love the way he can go totally overboard with his adoration of his fave bands/musicians/whatever.

― nathalie, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Listening to Rumours = in very good taste.

'going overboard': am I doing that again? Oh dear.

― Omar, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought everyone liked 'Rumours' and 'Metal Machine Music' !

― Andrew L, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dude hey, I like Amy Grant.

― Otis Wheeler, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Perfect, there's your pickup line.

― Ian White, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You should come out with all of us for Thanksgiving. Steph's parents apparently have about 80 guest rooms, I'm sure you can stay in one of them.

― Ally, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ILx BOARD MEET-UP IN ARIZONA!

Yeah, I can see me, Doompatrol, Ally and Ethan all sitting down to eat, sure. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Who invited them?

― Ally, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

pinefox

― gareth, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Damn him.

― Ally, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

COR!! I've been nominated by THREE people! This is pretty exciting. But - do they really mean it?

There are certain things that I don't like that tons of people (whom I like and respect, + on IL*) like: Britney Spears, Daft Punk, Public Enemy blah blah. I think anyone who likes these things has 'bad taste'. Yet those same people also like things I like - so they have 'good taste' *as well as* 'bad taste'.

I used to think that Steady Mike had the best taste of anyone I knew. ('Best' here != just 'I agree with it', but also that it's thoughtful and well-informed, etc.) Then I found out about his interest in All Saints & Destiny's Child and he had some points deducted. But he is probably still ahead of the rest of the chasing pack, having - so to speak - won the 10 games of the season.

I go a little way with Tom E. re. Hopkins, but am not convinced that Hopkins doesn't rave about bad things. OK, most of the things TH raves about are not offensively appalling by my lights, but a lot of them are mediocre, dull and badly overrated. (I write this in the knowledge that he feels roughly the same way about me.)

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 12 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am operating onder the delusion that I taste like strawberries. I will not be taking volunteers to test this hypothesis; some questions are better left unanswered.

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 12 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i would like to clarify that i was suggesting that pinefox invited some people to Arizona, not that he has the worst taste on ILM, which i don't believe (i have already stated 'the furthest away' upthread)

― gareth, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pinefox, I'm not sure that you have the faintest idea about 'most' of the music I rave about. Certainly, when I talk to *you* about music, the range of stuff I discuss is severely limited to the things I think you might have some interest in. I could be wrong, but I don't suppose you have much grasp of the sort of things I might rave about in reggae, say, or in hip hop. I'm sure you'd find them appalling if you did. They certainly outnumber my fave raves in pop and rock. I think what I'm trying to get to is that I would like to be admitted to the list of people whose taste you despise, please.

That I rave is beyond question, obviously.

― Tim, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Clearly, what Hopkins has going for him is the fact that most people don't have a clue about many of the things he endorses - and I'd say that goes for guitary stuff as much as anything else: how many people ever heard the Passage? Or TH's beloved Stockholm Monsters? I think most of where Hopkins goes wrong is not so much about what he likes as what he doesn't like: the Pixies, movies, that kind of thing. But obviously, by hating Frank Zappa and Rush like a normal person, he automatically has better taste than 90% of I Love Music people. (Not that I'm saying anything nice about Hopkins, you understand).

― Mark Morris, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hm. That's only partly fair, MM, because you're more likely to find me raving about Orange Juice or the Beach Boys than the Passage. It's hardly my fault if more people have heard the accursed Pixies than the blessed Stockholm Monsters, is it? My guess is that most people who hear me raving about the SMs assume they're rubbish anyway.

And I never said I don't like movies, just that I don't go to see them. That's quite different. And I've been to at least two films this year. I even quite enjoyed one of them.

― Tim, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That's kind of stupid. It's not like because he doesn't talk about movies its anything to do with bad taste. I have little or no interest in film but surely no issue of taste involved. Maybe if I did go to the cinema more I'd have awful taste but since I don't then none of you, and I would have thought nobody cares really. I don't post on the film threads really and thats fine.

― Ronan, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually, Ronan, Morris may be right: perhaps the reason I don't spend time watching films is that I don't have the energy to find the filmic equivalent of the Stockholm Monsters (ah, but imagine *that*...). Maybe without the anchor of obscurantism, a pro-pop position seems less appealing. I'm not sure about this, it just occurs to me as a possibility.

He's also sore because, after more than a decade, I still won't admit anything but indifference to his beloved Yo La Tengo. Or the Meat Puppets.

― Tim, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah but its not your problem you don't bother with films. I know I have good intentions and all, and always say I should watch more films, but the fact that I don't clearly shows I have no genuine interest to back up my half assed promises.

― Ronan, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pixies, Shmixies. The *real* point at which ManOfGoodTaste T-Bone Hopkins deviates from what can vaguely and inadequately be called IL* Music Consensus is on the subject of My Bloody Valentine. "Loveless" in particular. There's a great article to be written by TH on why that album sits comfortably in a canon of Really Bad Rubbish, and not in some unimpeachable avant-garde glass bubble.

Speaking personally, I fancy it's quite good for someone (let's say, in their late 20s/early 30s) who might be in danger* of settling snugly into a set of tastes and received ideas regarding Art and all its manifestations (* I mean this only in the Brian Moore sense), to meet someone else with whom they share some very strong common ground, but differ at an almost ideological level about other favoured material. I was fortunate enough to meet at least 2 people like that in the space of a few months. I no longer Know What I Like. It's good.

― Michael Jones, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Once upon a time, in a far flung universe, Tim and I reviewed Loveless for the Leeds Student Newspaper. The idea was that Tim was going to lay into it, and I was going to hail it as the salvation of guitar pop. Only problem was that once I listened to it, I was struck by the unavoidable conclusion that it was wibbly, meandering, annoying and largely unlistenable nonsense. Which kind of ruined the whole opposing reviews concept (oh, I bigged it up as much as I could, but really...) Tim can be wrong as much as the next man (McCarthy baffle me to this day, Leeds United are pure evil) but I insist that he's right about Loveless.

― Mark Morris, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two months pass...

I seem to disagree instinctively with every aesthetic judgement Will McKenzie makes. But he is a very nice man and everything. Also, to a lesser extent, Katie. Although she is not a nice man.

― Nick, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I heard she was.

― chris, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is she post-op?

― AP, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

We see eye-to-eye on Jonathon Coe, though, Nick! I think that must prove by science his unarguable quality. :-)

― Will, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Or that we have both made a terrible error of judgement.

― Nick, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Will liked 'The Piano Teacher' = a man of good taste.

― Andrew L, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i am actually quite scared of meeting Nick on Saturday now, as i fear he will disagree with me even when i say "Hello!" :):)

― katie, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Will likes Arsenal too which totally destroys your argument.

― Jonnie, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm not going to be there on Saturday, Katie, so don't worry.

― Nick, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

actually i am quite disappointed by that Nick! though i daresay you're not :)

― katie, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Having read Mr. Dastoor's 'lobster' effort on the 'story' thread I'm quite glad I'm his mirror-opposite! ;-)

― Will, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am very disappointed. But I have a lower division cup tie to watch on telly involving two teams that I don't support. And then another party. I did make my unavailability clear on the dates thread. But Tom plotted against me.

― Nick, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Didn't we have this thread before - I tried to convince everyone that I had the worst taste (Traffic, Weller) and discovered that I had all kinds of *fans*. A couple have kindly mentioned me again here. Sniff, blub. (At this point N. Dastoor sticks in the boot re: Belle & Seb). Anyway who do *I* think has the best taste? Well, I'm not really interested in taste as such - I'd prefer to tip me hat to those who make me think about music in new ways. That would be Mr. Pinefox, Tim Hopkins, Sir Tom E, Norman, Arthur, M. Snicker, Jess and Omar. But you're all wonderful people, goddamit, and I wish I was coming to the Christmas thing. Sadly other stuff has been committed to long ago, and I fear I won't be there. Is there any chance that there will be an impromptu midweek beer before Christmas?

― Dr. C, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

*I've* raved about The Stockholm Monsters just as much as you, Tim H ;). By the way there are two CDs of theirs coming out in 2002 - Alma Mater expanded and a singles/rare trax comp. They found the master tapes.

― Dr. C, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...

Nope. I do.

― El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

the idea that anyone could suggest Dr C has the worst taste is so laughable i don't know how to cope

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Considering it was two years ago tomorrow, i dont know. Maybe things have changed.

― El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I've pointed out before that the only decent definition of good taste is what I like, so I therefore have the best taste here, by definition.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought there was hive-mind-mentality on ILX? Dividing the hive?! NO WAYE

― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Hive my ass. This is like a mind-cluster-fuck.

― El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Huh? What's wrong with Traffic?

― pete s, Friday, 5 December 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry i've just noticed that post's from exactly 2 years ago

― pete s, Friday, 5 December 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, i dont know what i was searching for...and why i decided to reply to the post either. The date just confused me.

― El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i have some nominees for "ILXor with worst taste."

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 6 December 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i have some nominees for "ILXor with worst taste."

*looks down at floor*

*wonders if admitting Duran fandom was a mistake*

*especially if Serious Music People would rather immerse themselves in caustic chemicals than listen to any Duran songs*

*looks up*

*does a emotive smile*

(p.s.: I'm kiddin'. Kinda. *grin*)

― Tenacious Dee (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 6 December 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

oh dee damn calm down
Duran Duran is beloved
by most critics *now*

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 6 December 2003 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

you weren't who i was thinking of, dee -- at least as far as yer taste in music goes.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 6 December 2003 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah and they were ACE
so never back down my girl
stand tall! you were RIGHT!

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 6 December 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i've got bad taste, but i'm seeking therapy for it.

― possible m (mandinina), Saturday, 6 December 2003 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Is only listening to Christmas music for a few days straight bad taste??

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Saturday, 6 December 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

not necessarily
http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drf100/f187/f18764fz627.jpg

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 6 December 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

"merry christmas! ungh! i love ya! james brown loves ya! ungh! thank you for buyin my album!"*

*no this isn't a kingfish style "joke"...this is verbatim.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 December 2003 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"Lil Jon's rep said he's locking himself in the studio so he can have the LP, titled Crunk Christmas, in stores on December 9. David Banner, 8Ball and MJG, the Ying Yang Twins, Killer Mike, T.I. and Three 6 Mafia are all contributing to the album."

oh boy oh boy oh boy

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 6 December 2003 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm more amazed the original thread continued on without much change pre and post a certain date.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 December 2003 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

the thing I've wondered is how often ppl say they dislike something that someone's just enthused about, even if they actually like it or have no opinions either way, just to play devil's advocate or get a conversation going.

― MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 6 December 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

... or maintain a sense of superiority over the person they're speaking to or, well, I suppose there might be severa reasons why someone might adopt this strategy.

― MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 6 December 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

MarkH, Everything you just said is totally wrong.

J/k

I have the best taste on ILE. It's all about the Jingle Cats.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Saturday, 6 December 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Most of the times I've expressed an opinion abt music in Tom's presence he called me a rockist heh.

the only exception I can think of was when i said that I liked Belly and he said he didn't as they were "mimsy". I'm not sure what this means.

― MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 6 December 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I love Belly. I have their eps too. I also have a Tonya Donnelly album, but I didn't buy her newest one. Is it worth it? When I listened to it at the store it sounded a bit too... I dunno... country...?

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Saturday, 6 December 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

right now im listening to ELO - Sweet Talkin Woman. bad

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm listening to Belly now. "Dusted" is amazing. Uh, what does mimsy mean, exactly?

― MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

It's how the borogoves are, of course!

― Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Jabberwocky is genius of course, but it doesn't help the discussion of Belly.

― MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Bad news--I don't think they ever followed through on Crunk Christmas. But there are (judging from the track listings) four Xmas songs on Crunk and Disorderly:
YING YANG TWINS - Ho! Ho!
BONE CRUSHER - Guess Who¹s Comin To Town
DAVID BANNER - It's Christmas Time
KILLER MIKE - A Christmas Grind

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

We already decided on this ages ago. It was stevem.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

psyche!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

oh dee damn calm down
Duran Duran is beloved
by most critics *now*

My guess is that I'm looking at the wrong places for these mythical hordes of critics. I'm still hoping on Q magazine to deliver at least one positive Duran review and maybe, perhaps, if it isn't too much to ask, an article about them that is actually good. I used to pine for Rolling Stone to bestow a positive Duran review too, but now I feel kinda conflicted about that. I've hated every single review I've read in re: Duran's output save for one, and that was Ned's take on Rio. Yesterday, I read Andy Kellman's take on the Singles Box for the first time, and I was hugely disappointed because it assumes that only the First Gens would've gotten excited over the collection. (First Gen = first generation fan; Second Gen = second generation fan and where people such as myself fall under.)

Ah well. I've lived through so many years of absolutely dire reviews (I will never forget how crushed I was that Rolling Stone only gave The Wedding Album two lousy stars) that now I will only be satisfied if I find voluminous amounts of highly positive, almost glowing, reviews about everything Duran releases from here on out.

you weren't who i was thinking of, dee -- at least as far as yer taste in music goes.

If, on the other hand, you're thinking in political terms, I have absolutely no problem with that at all. I can totally handle that.

It is kinda nice, though, knowing that someone such as yourself, who likes what you like, woudl say that, btw.

― Tenacious Dee (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

now I will only be satisfied if I find voluminous amounts of highly positive, almost glowing, reviews about everything Duran releases from here on out

so you enjoy setting yourself up for heartbreak and misery? Dee: listen: you're on ILE. Many smart people here love and honor Duran Duran--not as uncritically as yourself, perhaps, but plenty much. Stop searching Q and Rolling Stone. That's a dead-end crazy trip. And it looks like you're searching for disappointment: Kellman actually says "Here's something no Durannie can live without."

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

p.s. you are not what you own.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 December 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i'm pretty sure it's stevem!

― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 6 December 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

what if you own your autobiography?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 6 December 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm kinda shocked I haven't been mentioned here.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 December 2003 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Slutsky, I trust you are not made of wood pulp pressed flat and dried and then bound with glue.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 December 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

your trust is touching, but it might get you hurt one day

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 6 December 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

you're right about the glue part, though

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 6 December 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Beware the silverfish.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 December 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm kinda shocked I haven't been mentioned here.

oh, you were always on my mind!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 6 December 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38194000/jpg/_38194282_elvisnymadisonap150.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 December 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck, a David Banner christmas song would be amazing

"THEM GRINCHES WANNA HAAAAAAATE, FUCK THEM GRINCHES"

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 6 December 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

haha

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 December 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Beware the silverfish.

http://www.chaoscontrol.com/archive2/ruby/silverfish.gif

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 December 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

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