― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 26 April 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Saturday, 26 April 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Saturday, 26 April 2003 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Saturday, 26 April 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)
Thanks guys, I'll be here all week...
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 26 April 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Saturday, 26 April 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Saturday, 26 April 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Saturday, 26 April 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 26 April 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)
Julio - would have to be a freejazz version of 'Me and Julio Down by the School Yard".
― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― gareth (gareth), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Saturday, 26 April 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 April 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 April 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 26 April 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 26 April 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)
Heh -- I'm beginning to become a victim of my own obsessions. Somebody name a Walkabouts or a Muslimgauze song for me! ;-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)
awww...thank you sonny.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)
blount: "so fresh so clean" by outkastjbr: "jersey girl" by brooooooooce! (or "native new yorker" by odyssey)tom e: "freak like me" by sugababesthe NZ/Dunedin contingent: anything by belle and sebastianthe countless FAPs: "villiers terrace" by echo and the bunnymennate p: "truckdrivin neighbors downstairs (yellow sweat)" by beckalex in nyc: "the wardance" (what else?)
― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)
Now I think chaki whenever I listen to Jesus Christ Superstar
― rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)
i dreamt a popular music band talked about ILM in one of their new songs last night
― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)
Matos = every bootleg ever (well, at least the good ones that involve house-esque pop)
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 26 April 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Saturday, 26 April 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 26 April 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 26 April 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 26 April 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 26 April 2003 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 26 April 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)
WHUH, even ME????
altho actually i am probably the only one outta all them ppl that actually does like anything by B&S.
― duane, Saturday, 26 April 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)
silly me, i meant "teddybear's picnic" (as performed by Helloween, of course!)
― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 26 April 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)
Chaki: "This Jesus Must Die"Tracer Hand: "The Stroke"Chris V: "My Prerogative"Ned: "Entertain Me"Gareth: see hstencil's post and also "Ooh I Like It"Alex NYC: "Last Caress"hstencil: "I Touch Myself"Felicity: That stupid New Order soccer song, for the past two weeks.Rosemary: "I Know What Boys Like"jel: "Here I Go Again"Alan T: "You've Got Another Thing Coming"Hanley: "The Model"
― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 26 April 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 April 2003 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 26 April 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)
This is correct. Also, as a throwback we can the Twin Peaks theme for Madchen In Uniform -- or perhaps something off of Divine Comedy.
― jm (jtm), Saturday, 26 April 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 26 April 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 27 April 2003 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― duane, Sunday, 27 April 2003 06:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― duane, Sunday, 27 April 2003 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 27 April 2003 06:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― duane, Sunday, 27 April 2003 06:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 27 April 2003 06:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 27 April 2003 06:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― duane, Sunday, 27 April 2003 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 27 April 2003 07:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 27 April 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 27 April 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)
"I love myself, I want you to love me..."
― hstencil, Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)
besides, i don't like sleater-kinney so i don't listen to their music. so if their songs are indeed more representative of what you NZ guys are like, i'd be pretty oblivious to it.
― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Starry (RickyT), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 April 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 27 April 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 27 April 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 27 April 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 27 April 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 27 April 2003 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 27 April 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Sunday, 27 April 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 27 April 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)
JBR, you want only people "like [you]" here? What fun would that be?
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Sunday, 27 April 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Monday, 28 April 2003 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 April 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 April 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 28 April 2003 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)
Luna - Pixies, "Subbacultcha"Ally - the opening theme to Wacky RacesJBR - Lou Reed, "New York Telephone Conversation"Millar - Boomkat, "The Wreckoning." I totally had a reason for this and thought of it in chat and now forget.MC Crudders - Farm Fresh, "Matlock"
― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 28 April 2003 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Monday, 28 April 2003 07:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 28 April 2003 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Monday, 28 April 2003 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)
Bounce, Bounce Bounce Bounce Bounce Bounce Bounce, Bounce Bounce, Bounce
― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 28 April 2003 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ed (dali), Monday, 28 April 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)
Chris V. - Clarence Carter's "Strokin"Ally - "I Want It Now" from Willy Wonka & The Chocolate FactoryDan Perry - Prince's "Pussy Control"Luna - Nick Drake's "Pink Moon" (prob'ly cuz "luna" = "moon"?)Sarah McLusty - Ween's "Sarah"Chaki - Mr. Bungle's "Vanity Fair"Hstencil - The Dead's "Eyes of the World"Nabitsuh - Killah Priest's "Heavy Mental"Buttch - Kool Keith's "Sweet Unique Pete"Jess - "I Am Evil Homer" (gabber remix)Nate Patrin - Beck's "Motherfucker"
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 April 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 28 April 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ed (dali), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anna (Anna), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)
(I posted my first list before reading this thread; I gotta say I find it k-creepy that I suggested Beck's "Motherfucker" for Nate Patrin when he himself said upthread "I figured myself as a 'Mutherfuker' type"...[makes :eek: face].)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― buttch (Oops), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)
I've got to ask why, I rather like the song, but I can't see the connection.
― Anna (Anna), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)
It works, my friend.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)
BTW, I'm terrible at remembering individ. songs, so I can't really participate in this (it'd just be: 'y'know, that one song off that album that talks about monkeys' or something), but Nick you remind me of the whole of 'Bizarre Ride': happy-go-lucky, cleverness disguised in goofy humor, positive vibes mon
― buttch (Oops), Monday, 28 April 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)
I think Luna reminds me of "Pink Moon" cuz I can imagine riding around with her in the back seat of a convertible Volkswagen and choosing to continue driving and being with really cool people out on a beautiful night highway rather than going to some lame-wad been-there-done-that party. And cuz it's purdy.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Monday, 28 April 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Monday, 28 April 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― buttch (Oops), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)
Mooro: "We'll Sweep Out The Ashes"
Hopkins: "American Without Tears"
The Nipper: "The First Picture Of You"
Steady Mike: "King In A Catholic Style"
― the pinefox, Monday, 28 April 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 05:36 (twenty-two years ago)
haven't met anyone else (uh if petra/menelaus/ggosset/etc are eading this, sorry)
― Ess Kay (esskay), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)
Ned - Fascination StreetAlly - These Boots are Made for WalkingDan - Any pre-Purple Rain PrinceEd - I Am a Man of Constant SorrowJess- Call The Doctor (must be the Olympia thing)Fritz - Pirate CowboyDi - Bang a Gongafter last night, Stencil - Hot Nuts
that's all that come to mind.
― That Girl (thatgirl), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)
RJG - "For What it's Worth" by Buffalo Springfield
― Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mandee, Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)
Didn't remind me of anyone, of course.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Millar (Millar), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 2 May 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 2 May 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)
If only Terence had had songs about fucking people in the ass, he would have stayed on top. That's the crucial difference, my friend.
― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 2 May 2003 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 3 May 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Saturday, 3 May 2003 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Saturday, 3 May 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)
nick, I have mad respect for you, but if you have evidence that this actually exists and point out a link to where I can hear it then I will actually move to wherever you live and become your super deadly ninja bodyguard and throw bicycles at all who threaten you. Also I will give them the Shining Wizard.
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 3 May 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 3 May 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)
THAT'S EVEN BETTER THAN "THESE BOOTS..."!!!! Oh, I am so chuffed.
Ok, strange confession: LL Cool J's "Going Back To Cali" made me think of Ned Raggett today.
― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 3 May 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)
Tep: Third Eye Blind 1000 JulysThat Girl: David Bowie Rebel, RebelNickalicious: The Stems At First SightMillar: Captain Sensible WotChris V.: Marvin Gaye Come Get to ThisAlly: Nelly Pimp Juicebuttch: Bob Marley Three Little Birds
― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)
Hey, thanks -- since the soundtrack to Less Than Zero was the first CD I ever bought, this is perfectly appropriate! :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 05:51 (twenty-two years ago)
I didn't say first album I ever bought, did I? ;-) First CD because that was the first time the family had a CD player (and my parents still have it, a fine ol' Sony model from 1987 or so). First album I ever bought -- well, that was a batch of things from the RCA Record Club back in 1983 or so, I'm pretty sure, and that included Rio and Pyromania, so hey.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― buttch (Oops), Thursday, 8 May 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)
Gareth: "Euphoria (Nino's Dream)" DUHTracer Hand: "Here Comes the Night", Beach BoysMary: "Deanna", Nick Cave (I'm not really sure why???)Luna: "Touch It", MonifahDDG: "Bluest Eyes In Texas", Nina PerrsonMiccio: "I Ran", Flock of SeagullsAndrew Farrell: "Rosalita (Come Out Tonight)", Bruce Springsteen
― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 18 July 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― jewelly (jewelly), Friday, 18 July 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Millar (Millar), Friday, 18 July 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 July 2003 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)
I heard "Control I'm Here" the other day, and for some reason it reminded me of Alex in NYC.
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 18 July 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― jewelly (jewelly), Friday, 18 July 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 18 July 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 18 July 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― jewelly (jewelly), Friday, 18 July 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 18 July 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― jewelly (jewelly), Friday, 18 July 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 18 July 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)
Ah Nitzer Ebb's finest moment. I can totally live with that.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 18 July 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 18 July 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dada, Saturday, 19 July 2003 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 19 July 2003 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)
!
fantastic!
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 19 July 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)