Law and Order: Search and Destroy

The real fight is between Ceretta and Logan. BTW - Sorvino as Kissinger in Stone's "Nixon"? Couldn't be more terrifying.

Jill Hennessy on the cover of the new TV Guide = About To Do A Faceturn.

(And while SVU doesn't count, it's still loads of fun pointing out that Mariska Hargitay was Jayne Mansfield's daughter!)

(And CI's Vincent D'Onofrio - yum.)

"Law and Order" is ok, its one of the few shows I always watch when I do watch tv... I mean, I can't listen to music all the time.

Also: Pathologist: The red-head. Profaci: Profaci. Psychologist: Hmmm...Liz Olivet was/is still a cutie (especially when she lets down her hair), but ultimately I must say Emil "That's just rehearsed crap" Skoda can do no wrong.

Best Episode: Prince of Darkness (2nd season): lots of mayhem, Colombian cartels, and a dark, O. Henry twist ending.

(haha in a later issue they had to correct an error in the chomsky profile viz: 'oops where we quoted [x] as saying "chomsky seemed to have tremendous rage", [x] actually said "range"')

I love this show so much and only I know the true lyrics to the theme song, because I wrote them but it is a big secret

I watch this show every time it's on however I'm starting to not see any more reruns that I haven't already seen. :(

I love D'Onfrio. Rosemary knows this. I'd like to do some illegal things to him. . .

Just kidding. I don't hate him that much, just find him mildly annoying.

i knew svu sucked a big dick when i noticed they were filming things from outside the perspective of the "law" or "order" peeps...formalism rules u r all gay

First comes the law part,
then comes the order part

I mean you can't be changing the show to make it deviate from its theme-song's statement of purpose

*this may in fact be true

see, it's a very complex show.

gff you would be rohm's bitch if she ever asked and you know it.

I like SVU 'cause my house made a guest appearance on it.

i saw the guy who did the seinfeld theme on entertainment tonight once and he was just one guy in a little home studio and he was creepy cuz he reminded me of that creepy mouthsounds guy with the white hair who was big in the 70's on That's Incredible and who now is on a kid's show on PBS. He's even creepier now cuz he's really old and he is still making icky noises with his mouth. That seinfeld guy musta been the mouthsounds guy's biggest fan.
the law & order theme rocks cuz it's got funky bass and clarinet action.

it's probably good for me to only have access to cable one week every 6 months

seriously, two days.

i have totally made my summer roommate hooked on law and order -- he is unearthing tivoable episodes that i haven't even seen on my to do list. tivo + law and order triumverate = HOURS AND HOURS SUCKED AWAY. although i do agree about the butcher jobs tnt has done. hey weren't they also supposed to do that advertising-after-the-fact paint-on stuff, like putting diet coke cans in briscoe's hands when they were really parthocups?

today they showed the episode where jerry orbach was the counsel for the defense btw!! & this is still pretty u &k

but i still watch plenty law and order and the one based on Mailer was so tops.

... no seinfeld though, no night court either. actually it looks like the guy who wrote the theme to night court wrote the theme to, awww yeah, barney miller, aka one of the top ten tv themes of ever (right behind 'good times' and 'taxi' -- one of my favorite nyc moments so far has been driving over the 59th st bridge in a taxi while the theme from taxi was playing on the radio and the sun was just beginning to come up. NEW YORK I LOVE YOU)

also he wrote music for cop rock!!!!!

nancy has made a shirt that reads "i (heart) jerry orbach"

(is that episode from the early days before Orbach played the detective?)

(you know what he's great in? Crimes and Misdemeanours)

http://portfolio.iu.edu/rmatthew/a.jpg

NO S1UTSKY I AM THINKING OF MF'ING LAW&ORDER WITH THAT ONE ACTOR, THE OLD WHITE GUY. HE! MUST! BE STOPPED!

(sputters, dies)

granted i haven't watched for the 10 seconds of it for years and years because it completely turns my stomach within a split second.... it's like the tv equivalent of jethro tull.

actually i'm talking out of my ass as i saw two episodes of "the practice" and thought they were clever. actually the visual style of that show is pretty annoying too, all burnished reds and browns and soft focus and tight close ups.

but the faux-verite style of L&O MUST DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE...

amateurist, it's an ENGINE; I never really feel anything about the situations except to watch how the next cog moves into place.

"OH MY GOD THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER COMPARED TO THAT (okay I have seen this in years and I only stumbled across that once, but still THIS MUST DIE KIL KIL KILKILLKILL REDRUM)!"

i admit the mechanations of the plots can be clever but i'd rather just look at an equation on a page than sit through a million wobbly dips and swooops of that camera as one after another "realistic" scene is played out with victims wailing and actors playing cops trying on one after another cynical expressions.

At last we know her favorite show! That Buffy thing was all a cover.

that would be the best show ever!

Sterling encapsulates my life in two sentences. I will now commit suicide.

FF!

Law and Order Original Recipe had Dean Wareham as a bartender. I guess they ran out of local bit part actors and now have to use local musicians.

http://www.brandonbird.com/lno_color.html

It's really quite simple, it's all about the narrative. I want one. I want one with tension, unpredictable and curious, or I want to laugh at life's folly. I don't want fate's cold repetition.

The show certainly succeeds at something, but I'm not sure I like the terms it has set for itself under which it is successful. We're supposed to view each hour-long show as one story, from crime to courtroom, with an ensemble cast of heroic, if possibly flawed, police and lawyers all working together courageously, if perhaps imperfectly, to drive the plot towards it final destination of the punishment of social evil. Rather like any cop show since Hill Street Blues. Its conceit is its two sections, one of police work and one of prosecution.

In order to get to the second half-hour, in order to justify the show's two part structure, the cops have to capture a criminal. There is no drama in this, no chance that our heroes' flaws might hinder the easy and inevitable progression of suspect to indictment to trial. There is no chance that something missed in the previous weeks' episodes could lead to further tension. The police always get their man.

The second half-hour is only marginally better, with all the possibilities our legal system affords for putting up barriers in the path of justice. Will our steely-jawed protagonists with their flashing eyes and careful hair convince the common twelve, or will a theatrical and cunning defense attorney game the system and get the court to set the guilty free? Since guilt has largely been established in the first half of the show, the tension in the second half is not in the trial's assumption of innocence and proofs to the contrary. What tension there is lies in the working of the system itself, the tricks and games, the tics and bargains of a byzantine legal code and a capricious justice.

I am not impressed. Political or bureaucratic infighting can make fascinating drama if the characters are compelling, if the characters grow and change and what has come before affects what comes after. Stringing together two half-hours of foregone conclusions is not a recipe for continuing chacterization and any chance for drama is lost. After all, every television viewer knows that a half-hour show is supposed to be comedy.

Others are free to differ.

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!! which episode was this?!

haha xpost

Ben Stone for '04--he's tan, rested, and ready!! :)

i watched the other two reruns but not the city hall shooting one last night.

Hi rosemary! I miss you, please come home, or at least IM me (hstencil23) sometime.

Do you work downtown? Are you near William St? I maybe be going there sometime this month, we should do lunch! We could eat in the park in front of the courthouses and have a Law and Order moment.

I will list more things I love, but Thompson and Elisabeth umglot Rohm make the whole show interesting ONLY because Sam Waterson (and the other regulars) are always acting like they can't believe they have to practice their craft with such talentless stand-ins.

Disclaimer: I only started watching L&O, in syndication, in late 2002.
Claimer: I've watched it like a junkie (sometimes seven episodes in a day!) since then.

Disclaimer: I watched ALL of Dawsons Creek in back to back episodes in approx. five weeks. Binge.
Claimer: I never watch (well almost never) L&O's bastard spawn - I'm a purist. Purge. Purgist.

Feisty = Jill Hennessey
Husky = Angie Harmon
Single Mom = Carrie Lowell

'my fave schiff line:
"quick,
somebody lock the door
before somebody walks through
with a case we can win." '
That makes me so happy. I can picture it - and McCoy turning his stiff neck to react. And then everyone has a glass of scotch.

- Greevey [smiling impishly]: "So, how did you know?"
Stone: "My father. Every day, at lunch."
[Greevey's smile dissolves]

- "She doesn't have an uncle!"

- The one where Stone convicts the cult leader, gets The Phone Call, turns ashen pale and croaks a feeble "Oh my God"; cuts to a scene with Briscoe & Logan surveying the teenage disciples strewn across the floor in mass suicide.

- The one with Logan/pedophile ex-priest. "We called you 'Father'...how could you do that to us? You even did it to your own son. How could you do that." The ex-priest gets taken away; shot of Logan superimposed on the bars of the cell.

- The one where Adam takes his wife off life-support, with the prolonged, haunting shot of him (proof that Steven Hill is one of the great actors).

STEPPING DOWN: Elisabeth Rohm planning to exit NBC's Law & Order sometime in the middle of next season. The actress has made her character the longest-running assistant district attorney on the show since replacing Angie Harmon in 2001.

The completely flat voice and blank expression (yes, moreso than Hennessy, Harmon, or Lowell). Maybe she's gotten better over the years, I don't really watch the regular series that much in general any more, but when it comes on I still can't watch her without cringing before too long...

also, those of you who are given to intellectual jealousy, click here: http://www.uni-television.com/svu/html/castcrew/baer.html

oh, x-post

Meanwhile, Homicide is excellent. Thanks to everyone on ILX who recommended.

Law and Order is surely the disposable, lightweight little cousin of all American cop dramas post 1990. You have to enjoy it on the level of "I want to watch TV. What's on? Oh Law and Order is on. I'll watch that while I dust the tables."

Last night's SVU episode with the murderous blondies and Anthony Soprano Jr. was pretty good though.

I blame the eyebrows.

Still McCoy is the man, mang.

Yep. That's where Briscoe is gonna end up. On that show.

Okay, this is maybe what i needed to hear. I also got the Vincent D'Onofrio one by mistake, but I quite liked it in a something-to-watch-while-you're-eating-a-super-burrito kind of a way.

Briscoe P.I.

With Munch as his sidekick, this would be the greatest TV show of the 21st century!

Detectives Briscoe, Munch and Sipowicz.
CO Kragin.
ADAs Stone and McCoy.
DA Schiff.

In every episode, Briscoe makes a smartassed comment at the beginning, Schiff makes a crotchety smartassed comment near the middle, and we get to see Sipowicz's naked ass near the end.

I adore D'Onofrio, but I have to admit apart from drooling at the screen whenever he's on, I find that slightly insane head-tilty thing a bit... weird.

Oh, you mean Ice T overdoes the Ice T thing? Par for the course, I think.

I adore D'Onofrio, but I have to admit apart from drooling at the screen whenever he's on, I find that slightly insane head-tilty thing a bit... weird.

After one episode, it's a bit weird. After five, it's a bit genius. After 20, it's more than a bit repetitive.

Ok, maybe you can give him a secretary played by Louise Lasser.

but a few

Elisabeth Rohm tried to talk them down from going all the way with a prosecution for someone she thought innocent, the Republican fired her for not being cold enough, told her to become a defense attorney. Then she came out of the closet.

"Then" should have been "Because of that"

The twists become so much more interesting when you consider the rumors concerning her and Dick Wolf!

Benjamin Bratt's "I just want to be THERE for her, man..." versus Elizabeth Rohm's "This isn't because I'm a lesbian, is it?" "Of course not!" [thoughtfully] "Good.....Good."

FITE!

"Yeeeaaahhh...I really don't know what you're talking about."

SVU hasn't been as entertaining since Oz went off the air.

I TELL HIM I DO LIKE LORENA BOBBITT

SNIP SNIP

jack mccoy promoted!!

Linus Roache has joined the cast of NBC's "Law & Order" as the new assistant district attorney who succeeds Jack McCoy (Sam Waterston) after McCoy's promotion to DA.

Roache is one of two major casting additions to the police drama this season, joining Jeremy Sisto, whose character replaced Milena Govich's Detective Nina Cassady.

It's a reunion for Sisto and Roache, who starred together on NBC's "Kidnapped" last season.

well the opening line which runs along with the up-the-scale "da-da-da-dum-dummmm" is "Law and Order show," you can probably figure out the rest from there
-- J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:19 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

Law and Order show
Law and Order show, now
Law and Order show ...

Okay so first comes the law part
And then comes the order part
First we'll arrest them and
Then we'll indict them and THEN ...

(there is gonna be a twi - ist)

And it'll BLOW YOUR MIND
Law and Order show...

^^^ awesome

omg nabisco that's almost exactly what we sing:

"Law and Order show
the Law and order show
Law and Order show
the Law and order show

first comes the law part, then comes the order part
it's the law and order show
a special law and order show"

then lay out and allow the band to groove, maybe adlib "order show" at some point

has the l&o theme been sampled anywhere? IF NOT WHY NOT

my brother and I have improvised many verses over the opening theme, but "GONNA GET SOME JUSTICE" is a recurring line

My favorite part is where you pause before the Raunchy Guitar Lick and then go ... "there is gonna be a TWI - ist."

(triplet melisma on "there" is optional)

You also kind of have to make your voice lilty and clarinet-like for the "first comes the law part" part. Imitating the instruments is key.

yeah on the ad-lib-ish "ORder part" near the end you gotta get yr al jarreau on

so is this a good show or what? I feel like I've watched thousands of hours cumulatively and haven't ever once paid attention.

has the l&o theme been sampled anywhere? IF NOT WHY NOT

"Nas pays $2 million for Neptunes beat"

I also finally heard the tame "disco" remix of the theme song they used for L&O: Trial By Jury. Bizarro.

i never put words in, i only sing the guitar part (with feeling!)

so is this a good show or what? I feel like I've watched thousands of hours cumulatively and haven't ever once paid attention.

-- tremendoid, Thursday, 30 August 2007

ban this tard

I have never watched this. Obviously I am missing something, yes?
-- jess, Monday, September 10 2001

haha 9/11 really DID change everything!

god i miss amateurist

did anyone else see the AWESOME svu about the girl with turners syndrome?

YES

I feel like I've watched thousands of hours cumulatively and haven't ever once paid attention ==> this strikes me as a testament to everything amazing about this program, actually

I'm still anti-SVU, though. It just always winds up gross. It's like they can't come up with actual plot twists, so instead the twist is always "and it gets even more depraved than you ever suspected." You spend 35 minutes figuring the father was molesting his daughter, and then they're all "but MOM was in on it, and they were actually trying to impregnate her at home using a turkey baster!"*

* = genuine half-remembered SVU episode

Another big difference is that the svu detectives (especially benson/stabler) take. each. crime. personally.

I feel when CI goes into 5-days-a-week syndication this fall on fox I'll have to force myself not to watch every day.

I've seen that SVU like five times! xpost.

I like SVU more because I like Benson and Belzer and Ice-T and B.D. MOTHERFUCKING WONG way more than anyone on regular L&O since Orbach went to the great precinct in the sky (RIP).

^^^^Yes

nabisco you better show respect to mariska hargitay right now or there will be beef

i love that benson and stabler take it so personally and yeah rip orbach. he was an eye donor! hahahahaha. but yeah, nabisco otm as usual but i still love svu best.

whoa brad dourif! michael mckean!

oh and the new cast and stuff

brad dourif is fucking awessssssommmmmee

they've got s. epatha out in the field in ep2 here, i like it

If Fred Thompson agreed to appoint Sam Waterson as Attorney General, would you be more inclined to vote for him?

I say an empathic yes.

I have never watched this. Obviously I am missing something, yes?
-- jess, Monday, September 10 2001

haha 9/11 really DID change everything!

-- strongohulkington, Friday, August 31, 2007 1:35 PM

wau

haha. i don't usually watch l&o (unless i am in a hotel room), but i am watching it tonight!

I'm watching it right now! I love Collins! (Tom Collins!)

oh an honest to god twist! seems kind of old fashioned

ohhhh and it's the fucker from fall out boy!

!!!!!!

moral quandaries!! man this is the old stuff

ohhhh and it's the fucker from fall out boy!

Was that really him? I thought it might be.

i might not have spotted him had jess not talked about it on idolator a bunch

Which one was he?

political candidate in this episode of Criminal Intent looks like Huckabee

the kidnapper with the sideburns

hay guise tonight's episode was partially filmed at my school!

god bless my 9 for CI reruns at 11

yeah, I don't even like CI, and I'm still happy for that

I've mostly solved the problem by just pretending D'Onofrio is supposed to be Columbo's nephew, which explains a lot of the speech patterns

i think that goren is my only fictional crush

the 2005 season of CI only started here last night :(

ci kinda bugs me sometimes, but for someone w/out cable, those 11 pm reruns are totally classic. also on the weekends sometimes they do back to back svus!

GRRR Regular Law & Orders are turning into Criminal Intent these days -- they even do the outside-POV opening with the live victim!

As if I would ever tire of the signature "so should we order out for-- OMG a random dead body" openings

Nice 'don't forget to vote in the primary Tuesday' line at the end.

weeeellll it looks like dick wolf is an obama man

-- gff, Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:58 PM (19 minutes ago)

lol

man that was a fakeout: all the promos pushed the larry craig thing and the dude disappears from the plot! it's all hillary all bad all the time

oh man, the law & order tonight was so good. was it a rerun? i haven't seen any from this season.

go to bed.

it was mostly just good cuz of the prospect park footage + the "lol fuck u cops" sentiment.

can we get perry mason on netflix??!

they kept calling jack a liberal hippie. who is the new detective that looks like a young elliot gould? and the ada who looks like olivia benson's hotter younger sister?

i will go to bed now lol

sonned

that guy i couldn't place looks like the dude who works at forbidden planet!

i wish nbc would stream l&o online :( i always miss it!

yeah esp bcuz they didn't renew their contract with itunes

he looks like a young elliot gould. ie very handsome,

ok you know what you know that dude from? he was brenda's brother on six feet under

I QM GOING to sleep now tho

ohhhh he IS hot!

I am liking this season way more than I expected. Yes, it can be a bit like CI at times (Rene Balcer is writing this season, and he ran the first five years of CI), but for the first time possibly this decade, I find all six leads really good and complementary to each other.

Jeremy Sisto and the new additions on the DA side are excellent. I was convinced the show had just about run its course (I had only been watching SVU for the last two seasons, really). But now it's good tv again!

JACK MCCOY ON THE STAND

DEFENDING LIBERALISM

yeah shit is way out in the open this season, and it has been for a while... it's the svu-ification of the whole franchise

lolz at 'now I know why Adam Schiff was so grumpy"

and Linus Roache, who played RFK, giving McCoy an RFK tie pin.

last week's "are you a socks on or socks off guy?" was funny.

i guess that this season will end up on sky some time around 2017 :(

was the evil ADA the guy from Mad About You?

Linus Roache looks too much like Ken Barlow. It's weirding me out, I keep dreading Deidre showing up.

God the crossexaminations are the worst they've ever been. Not only no actual courtroom craft - just arguing & speechifyin', no fillip, no nothin'. Don't get me wrong, I'd still watch even if everybody just grunted unintelligibly, I'm set in my ways, but the whole 2nd half last night was garbage except for Waterston.

who is the new lady lawyer, she's a babe.

all new ADAs are an insult to the blessed memory of Claire Kincaid

there oughta just be a bottle of Hennessy in the ADA's chair, every week

damn no-respect casting agents

i remember back in the old old days when the innovation was how dry and legalistic the show actually was -- anti-pretty mason but still hella exciting! now it's very perry mason; this is the second episode of the new season that's involved the DA getting and on-the-stand breakdown out of a witness.

xp no doubt! "alana de la garza" is her name, if you can believe it. odd that they found someone who looks so much like annie parisse.

xxp rip

the only ada i really didn't like was elizabeth rohm.

She is the Anti-Kincaid.

homophobes

heh

was there ever ANY hint she was gay until that last episode? it was awkward.

kind of a "poochie has decided to return to his home planet now" moment

http://www.brandonbird.com/folding_valentines_detail.jpg

I love how they used to do that, though! Dry and legalistic and then suddenly some bit of personal life peeks in for a second. Best one = wasn't there some offhand suggestion that McCoy was always getting on his ADAs? Which doubles as a handy excuse for why they all look like that.

Also the time Bratt was like "hold on, phone call ... oh, my wife has M.S. Well, better go interview that other suspect..."

mccoy got with every ADA up to serena right?

In the beginning, he is also a notorious womanizer, having had sexual relationships with four of his female assistants.[1]
However, this has often blown up in his face: one such assistant, Diana Hawthorne, is found to have suppressed evidence so they could win a case (L&O: "Trophy"); another, Claire Kincaid, is killed in a car accident (L&O: "Aftershock"). Defense attorneys have used this against him (L&O: "Missing").
In 2007, the Saturday Night Live "Weekend Update" segment humorously described the relationship of Jack McCoy with whoever is the current A.D.A. as "teaching cynicism to a supermodel." Since Kincaid's death, McCoy has kept his relationships with assistants professional, although he nurtures friendships with all of them.

'nurture' is a pretty gross word imo

TS: nature vs nurture

when did he ever get with Claire? Claire had a relationship with one of the judges that she clerked for before she became an ADA but I don't think she hooked up with McCoy

wow I'm past help huh

Haha not at all, I totally remember that one. She then resigned in the course of proving that he had harassed Jane Kazmarek's children after a failed affair

SHIT

Jesse Martin's leaving: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080221/tv_nm/law_dc

But he's being replaced by Anthony Anderson? I'd call that an upgrade.

u crazy

o damn i didn't know that!! so long ed green! anthony anderson tho, so it should be fine.

aaaanyway i came to post this, which is some o_O type shit

http://allthingslawandorder.blogspot.com/

uh "i like anthony anderson, tho"

"Claire had a relationship with one of the judges that she clerked for before she became an ADA but I don't think she hooked up with McCoy"

There are a few references to her sleeping with Jack, one of which came in the episode about one of Jack's previous assistants, Diana Hawthorne, with whom he was also sleeping. I thought that Claire was the last one he slept with, what with Jamie being too smart and sensible (plus being totally out-of-his-league gorgeous) and Angie Harmon (I forget her character's name at the moment) abstaining for the same reasons :). I may be wrong--it's hard to remember all 8243 episodes.

I also agree with whoever upthread said that he loved getting just the smallest offhand nugget about their personal lives. That was always so exciting when it happened!

WTF happened to Lara Flynn Boyle's face?

i couldn't really see it cause my reception is bad. this ep was DUD. rly god ci rerun on right now - the OTHER "the practice" chick was mr. big's neighbor and jumped/was pushed off roof!

bah the orig is like ci now, do not want

I'm kind of addicted to this show now all of a sudden (especially CI w/ Goren & Eeams, and the original with Jesse Martin and S Epetha...).Is there anywhere I can watch it online?

I dunno about online, but TNT shows about 10 L&O episodes a day, and USA Network does the same with L&O-CI. I can't remember who shows all the L&O-SVU reruns...maybe Bravo or A&E? SVU's still my favorite.

USA is your home for SVU reruns

i have to say i may be slowly losing my taste for this stuff (perish the thought).

i remember back in the michael moriarty and early waterston days when it was a pretty realistic crime procedural -- the innovation being a heavy emphasis on lawyering w/o a lot of matlock or perry mason style courtroom theatrics. + the politics were left-liberal but pretty sly and restrained. that's all pretty much gone.

I think you might have lost your taste for it even faster if they didn't monkey around with the formula a little. After all, this is L&O's 18th or 19th season...can you imagine the show still being like it was when Noth and Sorvino were the detectives?

yeah maybe yr right. but the ep last night was about a 'christian madrassa' that made a kid stone his mom to death. the mom, incidentally, was on a terror watch list entirely because the fbi is a bunch of illiterate, politicized morons. the head pastor, of course, flips out on the stand about needing to train warriors to destroy islam. it's a bit much.

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Law & Order is highly preferable to most true crime shows when it was far more gritty and realistic and I've sort of been in love with Vincent D'Onofrio for a while now plus L&O:CI is far more 'intellectually intense' when you're drunk and its a lazy Friday arvo. SVU has gotten silly and the repeats are erratic. I really miss the days of Orbach, he was pretty decent and straight. I love Munch and the utter hypocrisy that is Ice Cube...Also what happened to Homicide Life On The Streets that was otm.
New UK epis are hard to get here, Jeremy Sisto is on there? I loves him. I really, really liked Kidnapped but it got cancelled.

I saw Sam Wasterson in Great Barrington eating sushi.

I thought about getting his autograph while reciting the "Inthe criminal justice system the people are.." but I just let him eat sushi.

It's weird, though, how much I THINK I know him. I felt like I could discuss a case with him.

it's like being a soap opera fan.

I really felt like I could discuss a case - but, without my L&O battery of factoids at hand...I thought it best to let him eat sushi.

Sam Wasterson is famous for his depictions of Abraham Lincoln. he does regional theater stuff playing Abe.

I think that's the coolest career ever. Jack but also Abe.

I always thought of Sam Waterson as "my" Dad, because Waterson was in a Canadian CBC movie, Jane of Lantern Hill, which I really identified with as a kid. Heh.

i think homicide life on the street is on hiatus.

HOLY SHIT CHRISTOPHER MELONI PUT ME IN HIS TOP FRIENDS ON MYSPACE

chaki got man 2 10-15

I get excited when the L&O spin-offs refer to McCoy as a general public figure.

OR DO I?

Psych, I totally do.

Executive Producer
DICK WOLF

http://lachaine.tf1.fr/lachaine/series/0,,3429396,00-paris-enquetes-criminelles-.html

Auteur : Dick Wolf

Waterson WTF!

"McCoy, have you been asked to join the Obama adminstration?"

WHAT??

I didn't watch tonight, but all of the Law and Orders have gone so far off the rails that I can barely stand to watch them anymore. SVU is especially terrible, CI was at least always kitschy a bit. SVU has been a joke of late. I'm a total hater now.

our 'new' SVU's are from 2004/5 and are still ok. ice-t saves the child of a dead informer from a meth lab that had been set up in a day school (of all places), that was good. last night munch pleaded with a deaf woman to quit her euthanasia web site...

Stabler's family issues are so stupid, but when Ellen Burstyn as his mom was talking about the time in Wildwood when she was aiming a gun at the family, my first thought was "Is Stabler's dad Bruce Dern??"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1166893/

"Law & Order: London"

Featuring Apollo and Martha from Doctor Who. I'll probably download an episode out of curiosity just for that...

i don't know which law and order this was but i saw an ad for a new episode starring sherry stringfield (of 'ER'!) and ned beatty and the entire ad went something like this:

v.o.: "how is SHE controlling this judge?"

stringfield (witness): "tell him he's badgering the witness!"
beatty (judge): "uh, you're badgering the witness!"
D.A. (looks confused)

law and order UK premieres...
the world lols.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7880999.stm

https://static.bafta.org/images/originals/law-and-order-new-2832.jpg

In the British criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups. The police who investigate mischief, and the Crown Prosecution Service who prosecute the jobs.

this actually looks cheaper than The Bill. and the accents...

font is a bit posher than us version.

they should've replaced the bongs with big ben bongs.

The bongs stay. I'm in it for the bongs.

i'm trying to hum the L&O theme but i keep ending up humming suicide is painless or owner of a lonely heart

lol at wigs.

the theme tune was 80% Jeruslaem too.

BRADLEY FUCKING WALSH.

Aaaagh! I can't get any of the clips to play. Dunno if it's because of my browser or if its because I'm in the US.

Ha! Serves you right! Now you know how I feel, poor Heuroppean bereft of SNL recaps and other HULU.

the little sped-up bit of the music at the end of reruns. like a little twist of the tape speed knob. what's with that?

hub downloaded first couple of episodes of LO UK...haven't watched yet, I was just excited that Apollo was in it. Though I pointed out to Clay they really don't need this show. The Bill has served LO's purpose for donkey's years...and unless LO UK includes the catchphrase 'You're NICKED', I'm predicting mostly dud. We shall see.

Oh, Michael Moriarty

The Increasingly Left Law and Order

Dogs who love/hate Law and Order:

http://nastynets.com/?p=2890

Okay that's fucking hysterical.

In fact that might be the single best thing that L&O has produced. I still get sucked into watching re-runs of this show sometimes.

does anyone know the spanish title of law and order?

resisting

Er:

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/05/13/nbc-cancels-law-order/

awww. don't watch regularly by any means but it'll still be sad when/if it finally gets cut down

This season has been so good, it's the best in the franchise right now.

its official

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/nbc-cancels-law-order/?partner=rss&emc=rss

NBC said Friday that it had ordered a new series, “Law & Order: Los Angeles,” or “LOLA” for short.

bring on L&OLA imo, the episode where they went out there in '99 was lols

L-O-L-A
Law & Order: LA

A senior executive involved in the production of the show who asked not to be identified said that while the show’s quality had held up, the show’s ratings had not in recent years. “There’s no bigger ‘Law & Order’ junkie than I am,” the executive said, “but we’ve been in almost every Upper East Side apartment in New York and explored all those stories.”

Too bad for everyone else in the place, then.

"I mean, we read that Alexa von Tobel piece and realized that nobody had any money, so we cancelled the show."

bring on L&OLA imo, the episode where they went out there in '99 was lols

― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, May 14, 2010 12:29 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^ so otm. mad jurisdictional wrangling in that, it was a two-parter too.

jurisdictional wrangling is the best part of 90% of cop shows/movies

It also renewed “Law & Order: Special Victims Unit” for another season.

boooooo

worst L&O

weird that the article doesn't mention Criminal Intent, is that one still going w/ Goldblum? I only ever catch the reruns of these tbh

jurisdictional wrangling is the best part of 90% of cop shows/movies

huge truthbomb

svu worst L&O

outrageous liebomb

Criminal Intent is on cable.

SVU has this weird Nancy Grace vigilante quality that puts me off. not down with Meloni or Hargitay.

I am super interested in how L&O's cancellation will affect the location fees that NYC businesses charge for rentals.

Criminal Intent is on cable garbage.

fixed

SVU has this weird Nancy Grace vigilante quality that puts me off.

I was watching an SVU rerun and thought they had carried over Criminal Intent's Faith Yancy but no, it was the real Nancy Grace.

Criminal Intent is not so good anymore.

SVU is the worst of the franchise.

My good friend worked at L & O and just lost her job. :(

I loved SVU the most for years and years, but it seems to be rehashing itself these days. Sharon Stone as the new ADA is a small lift, but she can't save it.

I am looking forward to Isabelle Huppert guest starring next week on SVU.

Z S, sorry about your friend :(

so there will still be at least 2 L&Os w/ new episodes?

three more, from glancing at a schedule

hopefully we'll get to see Alana de la Garza in something else soon besides Garnier Nutritioniste advertisements. will Sam Waterston follow Steven Hill in coasting on commercials himself for the rest of his career?

SVU burned out long ago - surprised it's hung around so long with minimal cast turnover - they even brought back Stephanie March for a while right?

SVU will last until there are no more of us who would happily throw ourselves in front of a train if Mariska Hargitay said it might bring her a moment's pleasure, i.e., for a very, very long time

i think they are running two new episodes next week and then the final episode the week after

SVU will last until there are no more of us who would happily throw ourselves in front of a train if Mariska Hargitay said it might bring her a moment's pleasure, i.e., for a very, very long time

tbh, depends on how many trains there are

Q: So Amtrak needs an additional 50 billion dollars in federal funding...why, again?
A: To make more trains.
Q: But the charts you've presented the committee indicate the same downward trend in consumer use of Amtrak that we've all known about for years. Why do you need more trains?
A: For the people who want to kill themselves for Mariska Hargitay.

otm aerosmith. caught the one where benson is off undercover or somesuch (think she was irl pregnant) and stabler had to team up with some other lady detective. it was nearly unwatchable

Last episode tonight. They all meet in a church and there's a dog and etc.

Apparently Terrence Howard has just signed on to be the either the DA or maybe the ADA for Los Angeles.

yea or nay?

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/07/30/terrence-howard-joins-law-order-la/

I guess I hadn't been following closely, though, because I didn't know Skeet Ulrich and Alfred Molina were already attached. I agree with Ausiello. How bout we get some estrogen up in here?

is the pretty lady ada going to be a blonde or brunette? this is the first i've heard of a LA L&O and frankly it's the only thing i give a shit about atm

skeet ulrich lol

but molina is already a convicted pedophile psychopath, how does that work

whoops

the little sped-up bit of the music at the end of reruns. like a little twist of the tape speed knob. what's with that?

― andrew m., Saturday, 19 September 2009 05:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

I know EXACTLY what you mean! The theme music goes flat a half-step, just for a second, then corrects itself, then goes a half-step sharp and again corrects itself. What is up with that?? I hear that on other programs too, always at the end of the credits. Some kinda digital-tv bug or something?

"It's like OUR Law & Order—just more British"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE3gMN97TKw

season one of law & order sucks ASS. go directly to Orbach. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, August 5, 2004 10:15 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark

I vehemently disagree with this. First season of law and order is compelling and avoids the crowd pleasing monotony of future seasons. Once Dick Wolf discovered that the ratings spiked every time the killer/villain confesses/breaks down at the end, the show became trite and uninteresting.

Just occurred to me when talking with some friends about L&O that the show (any variety) does a shit job at moving characters off the show. Mike Logan's exits on both L&O and CI, the weird "I'm a lesbian and I'm outta here" Rohmbot departure, Lennie's retirement from L&O just so they could add starpower to Trial By Jury—only to have it get canceled a few episodes in (and not too long afterwards, Orbach's death). DAs come and go once Schiff finally left (and Waterson's sexy ADAs change twice as often). Detectives are interchangeable.

The only time they did it right was when they killed Claire, and I guess Benjamin Bratt's exit had a little bit of weight. But everyone else's exit either made no sense or was just *shrug* see ya.

also WAHT

One of Hennessy's most visible performances was uncredited. In 1995, Jill Hennessy, who played Claire Kincaid on the NBC crime drama Law & Order, made a couple of crossover appearances as Kincaid on another series, Homicide: Life on the Street. During the filming of one of these crossovers, the production schedules of both shows overlapped. As a result, Jacqueline was recruited to play Kincaid in some courtroom scenes filmed for the Law & Order episode "Corpus Delicti," which aired in January 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacqueline_Hennessy

there were a couple homicide/l&o crossovers! the munch from svu is the same much from hlots

I'm still wondering who they were going to have be Connie's baby daddy.

Robinette becoming a DA wasn't an exit per se but was a great "what happened to that guy?" look

didn't munch also show up in the wire? but yeah jesse l martin was on the show forever and when he quit he basically just put his stuff in a drawer at the end of an episode and walked out the door.

I love when Robinette would show up years later as a defense attorney.

I watched a Season 3 episode last night. Olivet was railing against therapists sleeping with their patients which is really funny since 15 years later it is revealed she slept with Logan.

Added bonus: Lindsay Crouse!!

Munch: http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0004858/

SVU, 30 Rock, Wire, Sesame Street, Arrested Development, Homicide, X-Files...

but wait:

"Sesame Street"
... aka "Open Sesame" - New Zealand (English title) (new syndication title)
... aka "Sesame Street Unpaved" - USA (syndication title)
... aka "The New Sesame Street" - USA (new syndication title)
- Episode #37.1 (2006) TV episode, Played by David Rudman (as Det. John Munch)

= BOGUS MUNCH

Not BONUS MUNCH?

there were a couple homicide/l&o crossovers! the munch from svu is the same much from hlots

I know that. My amazement was that Jill's twin sister Jacqueline stood in for Claire Kincaid, UNCREDITED, on L&O while Jill was busy with Homicide.

http://i.imgur.com/C8zaF.jpg

Run that one for ever!

"I am the lawn" ..

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/arts/television/chicago-fire-and-the-changing-dick-wolf.html?_r=1&hpw

Since its 1999 debut, “SVU,” the stalwart sex-crimes sibling of the original “Law & Order,” has delivered viewers a predictable, and beloved, formula of whodunit storytelling. Now the creator of the “Law & Order” brand, Dick Wolf — whose name is so tethered to television drama that just hearing it evokes an ominous chung-chung sound in many viewers’ minds — is branching out. He is taking his signature fast-paced realism (or what he calls “trompe l’oeil cinéma vérité”) outside New York to a Chicago firehouse. And unlike his strict procedural style, which gives little character back story, “Chicago Fire“ hinges as much on the messy personal lives of firefighters and paramedics as the fires, car accidents and other calamities they handle.

Mr. Wolf’s team calls “Chicago Fire,” which begins Wednesday on NBC, “Dick Wolf 2.0,” a slightly evolved approach for a big-name producer firmly committed to the creative doctrine that made “Law & Order” a billion-dollar property and one of the most lucrative franchises ever on television.

But “Law & Order” and its offshoots have taken a hit lately, a product of changing tastes in broadcast television toward character-focused dramas with story lines that stretch from episode to episode. For Mr. Wolf, after decades of prime-time ubiquity, the current television season represents a crossroads. The question is whether he can depart successfully from his formula, especially after his previous prime-time efforts to break with the format, the NBC show “Conviction” and ABC’s “L.A. Dragnet,” didn’t catch on. Early reviews of “Chicago Fire” have been mixed. (The Huffington Post said, “For a show about fire, it lacks any kind of spark.”) That raises the stakes for Mr. Wolf as he pushes into fresh territory unrelated to “the police who investigate crime and the district attorneys who prosecute offenders.”

Law and Order totally has character back story. SVU has too much!!

love it:

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2013/01/the_intercept_by_law_order_creator_dick_wolf_reviewed.html

have been watching so much law and order

so much

have the earliest seasons been fancied up? i thought i remembered the s01 dvds being fullscreen, but on netflix it's letterboxed now and the quality seems to be better too.

huh, i guess it was just season 1 they redid.

the early seasons have had spotty full widescreen/HD broadcasts on TNT, so at least some of the eps have been upconverted from the original film

is jack mccoy supposed to be drunk in his first episode (at the beginning of season 5)?

rey curtis, bleh

is the beginning of season 8 the first episode that starts with a live victim?

unfortunately not in the spreadsheet: http://www.overthinkingit.com/2012/11/13/the-law-and-order-database-all-20-seasons/

i never looked at that before. i didn't realize that he keeps track of NOTHING.

i started my OWN spreadsheet last year for homicide.xls and it was a monstrous task trying to keep track of even the little i tried to keep track of - the different detectives' cases and the big incidents in their lives / relationships. of course, in the first couple seasons they would routinely be running three separate stories per episode.

L&O spreadsheet should keep track of things like law-time-to-order-time proportion, cases where adam schiff leaves the office, episodes where the crime involves people in the criminal justice system, etc.

ha, i had a homicide board spreadsheet where i'd keep a note of all the names that appeared on the board. got kinda messy has i hadn't realised that they flipped the board over for the other shift... (also, episodes were sometimes shown in a different order to the filming order so lists would go up and down).

don't they also add names for cases that aren't shown?

yeah, often members of the crew or visitors.

i had forgotten how much skoda is just like FUCK IT WHATEVER in comparison to olivet

'don't get weepy on me. i'm not nixon, and you're not ehrlichman.'

I need to start watching the reruns again regularly, the Lenny Episodes were just straight gold.

Stopped caring about SVU a few seasons back.

This is as good a place as any for me to mention that I'm still pissed that the LA spinoff was cut off at the knees

loved corey stoll on the LA spinoff, the rest was iffy

I like that they brought back Connie on LOLA.

that woman really deserved better

i know the ratings weren't great but c'mon it was a law and order show. given another season i'm sure it would have gotten an audience! i have no idea why they thought they had any remotely better ideas.

Bear in mind that was the same year as The Event, The Cape, and Outsourced. The following year they made and cancelled the US remake of Prime Suspect

But I have to admit I kinda hated LOLA, pre- and post-retool. Definitely would've preferred that they NOT cancel the original, the team at that time was pretty decent

this show has the best russians

The last few seasons of Law and Order were pretty good.

Ha ha, Jenna Stern retweeted me.

they were GREAT

Somehow I only just noticed Law and Order: UK exists.

it's re-imaginings of old l&o scripts. you're not missing much tbh.

'she scared me, that girl… she have heart like KGB'

They should call L&O: UK L&O: Doctor Who

Didn't the UK one have the Adama kid from Battlestar Galactica?

yeah apollo was on the uk one

pff who cares, it had Martha Jones

man i hate this guy

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080902171418/lawandorder/images/4/4d/William_Wright.jpg

huh this makes perfect sense who woulda thunk it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-to-back_life_sentences

they have real mayors and governors and presidents but when jack argues in front of the supreme court they're strangely vague about any real-world correspondences to the justices -

http://lawandorder.wikia.com/wiki/Vaya_Con_Dios

even though in the next episode giuliani appears as himself to introduce nora lewin as schiff's replacement

http://lawandorder.wikia.com/wiki/Everybody%27s_Favorite_Bagman

Steven Zirnkilton, best known as the opening credits narrator for all L&O series, makes his sole on-screen appearance in this episode. He is one of the NYPD technicians conducting covert surveillance of a restaurant where corrupt politicians are dining. He has one line of dialogue: "Look at that. Do you believe these guys?"

= opening credits guy must be the one who is compiling all the footage and telling the stories for 20 years!

I bought the Jerry Orbach biography. I cried at the end.

'crouching tiger, hidden student'

man, i've been watching later-season episodes on like russian and indian pirate streaming video sites, every once in a while there's a wonky video transfer that makes it like watching a law & order screw tape

caught so flat-footed after 9/11, half a season before they even mention it and then it's always these awkward punch-ins, 'well with what's going on in this city…', 'nowadays people think the more information, the better'

clay davis really tears it up in the wire reunion episode w/ wee-bey and bunk in it

i never noticed before, like half the episodes fontana has been in so far, he's told a witness 'we're authorized' to get information out of them. is that some kind of in-joke from farina's earlier roles?

he keeps doing it, it's hilarious

nearly every opening in season 17 shows the victim getting killed, or alive before the body is discovered.

something something did not honor the fire.

season 18 is so much better than the preceding ones (back until harmon/schiff were still around). proof of the showrunner principle - rene balcer was back!

more leisurely scenes (sisto must make a difference there, the conversations he's in just seem naturally slower), and more small details, like the thing with the whistles during the blackout episode, or the larry craig bathroom-tapping scene with john doman, or the new workplace adjustments of having mccoy sticking his nose in between cutter (the new guy) and rubirosa (pre-existing relationship with mccoy, but now reporting to cutter). tricksier cases, too.

I love the last 3 seasons.

anthony anderson explains unions 2 u

cutter vs. rubirosa!

man this season is on point

that was one of the most hilariously contrived L&O situations ever

oh no! there's a DA strike... so Connie has to defend the criminal!!

lol mccoy on the kennedy assassination - 'ongoing investigation??!'

'so where do the juggalos hang out?'

http://blog.yhathq.com/posts/named-entities-in-law-and-order-using-nlp.html

Hahaha

I'm getting misty now

Treating PTSD with Law and Order

I have seen every episode of every franchise at least a dozen times (except for the season of "Criminal Intent" with Jeff Goldblum and Saffron Burrows. No.)

I like them best when they pretend to be an overbearing wealthy couple in order to get information.

Oh man, Eames and Goren pretending to be a couple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Benson and Stabler.

yeah, they were a lot more convincing

lol why he gotta hate on saffron burrows

goldblum season of CI is surprisingly good!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/07/22/dennis_farina_dead_actor_and_former_cop_was_loved_for_law_order_get_shorty.html

: /

aww. rip.

Who's your favorite New Yorker, living or dead, real or fictional?
Jerry Orbach. He really was Mr. New York, and people don't realize what a great Broadway hoofer he was.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/chris-noth-is-as-old-as-old-new-york.html

alternate theme song lyrics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGQbN7W7R2g

ok i laughed

maybe i missed this ep last time around otherwise i don't know HOW i would have not posted about it here - lupo's first at the beginning of s18 has a WITNESS STAND SUICIDE by a DR KEVORKIAN KNOCKOFF who goes out ranting about the 9TH AMENDMENT

^ watched it again, forgot until the awesome climax that that was gonna happen, truly exceptional in the annals of l&o cross-exam melodrama

Not just any fake Dr. Kevorkian but BRAD DOURIF!

hahah NOW I remember that episode.

http://tvline.com/2015/02/06/law-order-limited-series-nbc-chris-noth-sam-waterston/

10 episode mini-season of original recipe Law & Order is being talked about.

It would be wonderful to see Briscoe back as well as McCoy and that Linus fella…

Oh dear.

No Rodgers, no credibility.

http://www.avclub.com/article/lemony-snicket-mindless-pleasure-law-order-and-how-225671

i was amused, despite never having read any of those books

The A.V. Club: Why do you like Law & Order so much?

Lemony Snicket: I don’t know. It’s hard to say why I like it so much. It is in some ways indefensible.

this man is a fool

haha

LOLA is pretty placid, i keep expecting someone to start making california vs new york jokes like the woody allen movie when he is forced to fly out to hollywood

it really picks up some bounce once they kill winters and retool by moving alfred molina and RUBIROSA and doing a dope IDM theme song rewrite

kudos to small-time cable channel "We" for running stuff from the first six or seven seasons in constant rotation

surprised Women's Entertainment picked it up a few years back, stealing a bit of the load from TNT who still airs L&O Classic, but cool

LOLA was pretty bad IIRC, but yeah definitely better when Rubirosa crossed over. kind of a laughable intro for her if i remember, getting off an airport escalator or something

they dumped the "women's entertainment" brand, now it's just "we got the l&o"

does california have more stringent requirements to pass probable cause standards before proceeding to trial? they keep doing separate courtroom scenes for that on LOLA, like it's standard.

http://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-man-who-has-a-tramp-stamp-that-says-ex-1794209415?utm_campaign=socialfow_jezebel_twitter&utm_source=jezebel_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

What’s the craziest thing anyone’s ever said to you about the tattoo?

Some people just think it’s stupid. They’ll be like, why would you get that, it’s ridiculous! I’m like, I like Law & Order a little bit more than you. If you liked it more you’d understand why I had this tattoo. Why wouldn’t you if you’re dedicated?

Do you have any idea if Mariska has seen the Dick Wolf tattoo?

As far as I know she has not. I’ve tweeted several times at her because I want her to see it more than anything.

Dzundza was born in Rosenheim, Germany, to a Ukrainian father and Polish mother who were forced into factory labour by the Nazis.[3] He spent the first few years of his life in displaced persons camps with his parents and one brother.[4] Before immigrating to the United States in 1956, the family lived in Amsterdam for some years. His family then moved to the US, settling in New York City, where George attended Xavier High School.

!!!!

oh man they just had, in this old episode I'm watching, Angie Harmon's character say "any woman with a brain should be able to figure out a better method of birth control" about abortion o_O

the first dobson episode is on we right now and i miss everything about what's happening on tv

Ben Stone is dead?!?

omg what!! this is worse than what’s his face judging a reality show

I don't watch SVU anymore but apparently tonight's episode opened with Jack McCoy giving the eulogy at Ben Stone's funeral.

Also, I forgot that one of the Chicago series has Ben Stone's son as a character.

is that series even still running or did i just imagine it was cancelled because i stopped watching its lame ass

It seems like Stone Jr. will be joining the cast, at least for a while, because the most recent ADA literally KILLED A BABY tonight, got acquitted, then resigned.

: O

lBARBA KILLED A BABY???????

omg have not felt the need to immediately catch up for a while

the Benson drama is theoretically more stressing because HER CHILD but the meta-drama hasn’t had a great wtf quotient since the monkey-basketball and “is it because I’m a lesbian?!”

Barba’s slow turn into public defender via mistrial has been fun

this is the last season right? or do they know?

i figured i would just wait and catch up in an abject binge

watching this now

Sam Waterston really looked and sounded old. God, I feel old.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cc/40/7f/cc407fd7a7bc103d8d59647f3ee8ed72--steven-hill-law-and-order.jpg

you're tellin me about old

RIP :(

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/24/arts/television/steven-hill-trailblazing-tv-star-dies-at-94.html

Catch my guest spot on @nbcsvu tomorrow night with @Mariska and @FINALLEVEL. I object to you not watchin'. pic.twitter.com/ihIu2qk0yt

— George Wallace (@MrGeorgeWallace) May 8, 2018

:o

Shout out to sayin' "whatnot", " what have you" and " so forth" and whatnot, what have you and so forth.

— George Wallace (@MrGeorgeWallace) April 29, 2014

https://deadline.com/2018/09/law-order-hate-crimes-series-nbc-dick-wolf-warren-leight-1202456899/

As Law & Order: SVU is heading into its record-tying 20th season, NBC is expanding the Law & Order franchise with a 13-episode order to Law & Order: Hate Crimes, from Law & Order boss Dick Wolf.

Co-created with one of Wolf’s top lieutenants, former Law & Order: SVU showrunner Warren Leight, the latest Law & Order installment is based on New York’s actual Hate Crimes Task Force, the second oldest bias-based task force in the U.S. The unit, which pledges to uphold a zero tolerance policy against discrimination of any kind, works under the NYPD’s real Special Victims Unit and often borrows SVU’s detectives to assist in their investigations.

The new Law & Order series will be introduced as a planted spinoff from SVU, with the first incarnation of the new unit appearing in the latter part of the upcoming season of the Mariska Hargitay-starring series.

I bought the Jerry Orbach biography. I cried at the end.

― tokyo rosemary, Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:28 PM (five years ago)

he had cancer like almost the whole time he was on the show!

is the beginning of season 8 the first episode that starts with a live victim?

― j., Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:30 AM (five years ago)

no

they basically do it for the first few seasons, which also usually start with beat cops jibber jabbering until there's an incident or a cry for help (sometimes, they do it like this, but with no live victim), and the last few, which use more of a mix of ordinary-sitch conversation or scenes previewing the issues around the crime but in such a way as to show the live victim

i've been going through season 10 and just hit "mega" which is an outrageously good l&o episode/episode of television

michael mckean AND annette o'toole

mega is in my top 10

does california have more stringent requirements to pass probable cause standards before proceeding to trial? they keep doing separate courtroom scenes for that on LOLA, like it's standard.

― j., Thursday, March 2, 2017 1:10 AM (two years ago)

thanks to the mueller report i now have an answer to my question!!! i think

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_(formal_criminal_charge)

Because the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution expressly creates a constitutional right to be indicted by a grand jury, the information is used in federal criminal procedure only when a defendant voluntarily pleads guilty (often as part of a plea bargain) and waives the right to an indictment.[11]

However, the Fifth Amendment right to a grand jury indictment does not apply against the state governments because the grand jury provision has not been incorporated against the states by the Fourteenth Amendment. Thus, the information has always been the dominant charging document in the western states, where extremely dispersed population distribution during the American frontier era made it difficult to select and convene petit juries to hold trials. In that era, convening even larger grand juries just to indict criminals was seen as an unnecessary extravagance.

In western states, district attorneys are authorized by statute to charge criminal suspects by filing informations. The defendant is then entitled to challenge the information at a preliminary hearing, during which the prosecution must establish to the judge's satisfaction that probable cause exists to bind over the defendant until trial. The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the constitutionality of this procedure in Hurtado v. California (1886).

The grand jury is still available in the states where informations are used, but it is usually used only for issuing indictments for certain types of crimes or for certain types of anti-corruption investigations.

Is L&O:LA streaming anywhere? It came about during a rare L&O hiatus in my life

improbably enough, you can actually see it on nbc.com

panicked teacher: "these are good kids!"
briscoe: "so were leopold and loeb"

ok but were they lennie, WERE they?

been watching the original on my streaming tv subscription because I think it's *still* not streaming anywhere else in the US

once it gets into the groove, the original series has some amazing seasons in the early seasons. Briscoe and Logan might be the prime years?

they never ever seem to repeat S1-5 in the UK*, i've only seen noth in the spin-offs (does he play the same character? i never watch the spin-offs, they're all bad not good)

no moriarty or dzundza or robinette either :(

*i think those series showed on BBC originally, maybe they still have the rights to them

lol i mean brooks, robinette is the character name

those are all in the first four years so there's no 'either' about it

logan is the same logan; after the tv movie which is about him trying to solve his way back to manhattan he kicks around a while longer offscreen before solving his way into major cases due to some connection an investigation has to his girlfriend or something

either
/ˈʌɪðə,ˈiːðə/

CONJUNCTION & ADVERB
1: Used before the first of two (or occasionally more) given alternatives (the other being introduced by ‘or’)
‘either I accompany you to your room or I wait here’
‘available in either black or white’

2: adverb, with negative, used to indicate a similarity or link with a statement just made
‘You don't like him, do you? I don't either’
‘it won't do any harm, but won't really help either’

Noth reappears in Criminal Intent much later, but it’s a psychological investigation show with a different tone. I think they bounced around what day/time it was at on broadcast tv then shoved it on to cable. Vincent D’Onofrio (!) and Kathryn Erbe mostly star, although they both get cycled out for reasons. Other leads include Jeff Goldblum and Alicia Witt, which is wild considering they seemed to give the series a lot less consideration compared to other shows

mark did you have your name legally changed so the s stands for 'salty'

during noth's run they also started insanely alternating leads and iirc didn't really try that much to make noth's episodes tonally consistent with d'onofrio's schtick

We bingerewatched CI a while ago and its weird, despite evidence in this very thread that I used to watch it regularly, I did not recall a single episode on rewatch. My brains! :(

(we're now doing OG from season 1, which Id never seen before now. Seems so dated and stiff compared to later stuff)

watched some CI last night and I'd forgotten how all of the criminals come off as vaguely reptilian

Many years ago I had a theory about how each L&O had an overriding political philosophy:

L&O - Marxist (poor people are often forced into desperate acts of criminality, but the rich are the true villains)
L&O: SVU - Schopenhauer (life is pain)
L&O: CI - Nietzsche (some people are smarter than/superior to others, it is up to the superman detective to be smarter than/superior to his criminal adversaries)

Ha. I like it!

"i won't have this trial turned into a circus!"

"enough of your treacly mea culpas"

watching season 13 and I've got to say I miss my stabler

This is as good a time as any to tell you that my dog sings along to the Law & Order theme song every time he hears it pic.twitter.com/4HNVPWrzmE

— Peter Schultz (@pete_schultz) March 19, 2020

lol

https://deadline.com/2020/03/christopher-meloni-returns-new-dick-wolf-series-elliot-stabler-nbc-law-order-svu-1202896323/

Whaaaat

Stoked

"in the process of determining a verdict, lives often hang in the balance"