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So...Taco Bell is bad, right?

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't like Ponderosa, either.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

(You can talk about haute cuisine as well as convenience food)

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

(...like, should I go to Chez Panisse?)

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I also only learnt what American "biscuits" are very recently. I like the Pillsbury ones.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

it'd be easier to "learn" ya if I knew more about your likes/dislikes.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Search elephant ears and char dogs.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Most peanut butter auspiciously lacks peanuts – check a Jiffy ingredients label!

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I was hoping for more of a general discussion, h. But...well, I don't really like seafood.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Biscuits?

http://www.kfc.com/images/hdr_biscuits.jpg

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Sourthwestern food. Or...what passes for "Southwestern" in NYC.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Surburban grill cheese is made in a frying pan.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

When I lived in Ohio, we used to go to Red Lobster a lot...I had the chicken.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

What are grits and will I ever have to eat them?

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

...and taquerias are good, right?

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

http://fdt.net/~aabbeama/Klezmer/grits.jpg

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.irenecoreydesign.com/Graphics/port_char_hotdog.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.pillsbury.com/Images/View/biscuits/biscuits_group.jpg
These pre-made biscuits are low on taste, but fun to open! You whack the package against a countertop and the cardboard explode and uncoils, revealing about six or twelve uncooked biscuits.

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I did that! It's great! And weird, like Playdoh food!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Southern (American) traditional dishes what fackin rawq: cornbread, fried green tomatoes, fried catfish, hot browns (a Kentucky tradition, boo-yah!), collared greens (easy to cook, easier to fuck up)...

Also, clam chowder...I'm not exactly sure it's considered an American dish, but as far as I know it originated in Boston, Massachusettes (I prob'ly spelled that all wrong, whatevah).

Then you get into the hybrid styles like the Tex-Mex and the Cajun and the Creole and such, which is where a great deal of amazing "American" dishes come from; it seems to me a great deal of the best that is "American" comes from these kinda cultural hybridizations. I mean, the old "melting pot" thing is a food-metaphor!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.cybercandy.co.uk/acatalog/735.jpg
Goober Grape – peanut butter and grape jelly rooming in the same jar.

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

What are Ring Dings? And Hostess Cakes?

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

best google image search find ever:

http://www.shakethebloat.com/images/et/beefbbq0500/intro.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I still don't get how Kentucky is the South, isn't Ohio the only thing separating it from the lakes? (prepare to be killed by hstencil and nickalicious)

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

That guy in the relish pic looks like he just smoked a big-ass massive reeferzilla all by himself.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I love stories about the origins of names of Colonial era dishes such as Johnnycakes! They all go basically like this:
Man tells wife to make him food. Wife does it poorly. Man throws it at wall, it lands in molasses, X is born and named after his ire. Or:
Man refuses to eat naught but X. Wife's ire is incited. Wife stirs in X secretly. Man compliments. Woman laughs maniacally.

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

(I honestly don't entirely consider Kentucky part of the South, but most of the rest of America does, and I'm all about the conformity.)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordiczkillz: It's all about the Mason-Dixon line.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordicskillz all you have to do is make a stop at any rest area/ gas station/convenience store and hours of research could be at your disposal. I really want a snack cake right now.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all about the Mason-Dixon line.

Oh, right. My bad.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Moon Pies:
http://www.thecommonspace.org/2001/05/pict/moon-pie.gif
I hide my weed in a box of these because I am the only one around here who likes them!

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Moon Pies, Googoo Clusters, Twinkies, Ding Dongs, Ho Hos, all processed and prepackaged for your get-em-out-of-a-machine convenience!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.pjchmiel.com/port/print/3d/swisscake200.jpg
A beautiful depiction of the Swiss Roll: chocolate cake stuff spiralled w/cream filling, bad waxy chocolate coating. these things are vile.

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Ho Hos?

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I had a Moon Pie at a truck stop on our recent Kentucky Derby road trip!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordicskillz, the less P.C. answer is that it wasn't illegal in Kentucky to own slaves, but wasn't illegal to teach slaves to read, either.

< /Hijack>

get yourself some cheese grits, pronto.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Also: Stuckey's pecan logs. Food of the gods.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Now you're just making fun of me.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

that dude looks like he has a hot dog up his arse.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Jody, was Sunday your first visit to a Waffle House? They have the country's most loved hash browns, y'know.

(I'll take mine triple-sized scattered smothered covered diced and peppered.)

― hstencil, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Please don't let good, wacky, graphic design lead you to eat food with hydrogenated fats.

― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

where can i get a really fuck-off incredible cheeseburger in london? like a £30 one?

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

mmmmmWaffleHouse....

― luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Come on, one of y'all has to agree with me on the wonder that is Chik-Fil-A?

― luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Chip-What you ask for is impossible!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Try The Prospect Grill in...Covent Garden. or Joe Allen's.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I will probably make a long post about this later, but I'm on my way out the door. But as an ex-history major, a cook, a carpetbagger, and a religious studies student who likes the idea of syncretism, this is one of the topics that's always fascinated me, and the grokking of American cooking -- cooking, so the food outside of the fast-food/convenience food sphere -- is basically a matter of grokking American history and geography. I will spam later.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Jody, was Sunday your first visit to a Waffle House?

Technically, yes. I've been to similar establishments, though.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

You asked about grits. They are good. The consistency can vary from kind of soupy to thick and sludgy, of which I prefer the latter. It can be eaten at breakfast, like porridge, or with dinner. You can put butter in it. Grits have a mildly corn-like taste, but are not sweet. The flavor of standard grits is not very strong, but you can also get cheese grits, which have cheddar cheese and are kind of garlicky, and are great with ham if you eat meat. You can also make fried grits, where you take the leftover grits and fry them into little patties on a skillet. Yum.

― NA. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

But WHAT are they, Nick? ;)

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn you, I just wrote like 40,000 words on grits and wound up cross-posting. Yeah, they're made from the husky bits of corn, ground down to a meal and made into a porridgey thing, with butter, pepper, garlic or whatever else mixed in. At their best they're like a particularly great thick-and-grainy "corn soup."

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Grits are made from ground-up hominy, aren't they? Man, they are great.

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

When is this thread going to start being about food?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I hide my weed in a box of these because I am the only one around here who likes them!

Also very convenient when you get the munchies.
;^}

It's all about the Mason-Dixon line.

Also it has to do with certain Southern cultural traits. But then you can find most of those traits in Ohio.

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Hominy = "white corn," right? Mealed and fried in butter? I'm not sure how it works with grits, but basically it's a corn meal variant -- I always though the meal for grits was made from some huskier / grainier portion of the corn.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Grits are almost the exact same thing as polenta, only barely ever are they prepared in similar fashions.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

It's white corn boiled in water with LYE, I think. Lye is involved somehow. I've only had Quaker Instant grits, which i love (esp. w/pepper jack cheese) but it really is like eating grainier drywall paste:
http://www.consumerreports.org/content/Special/Selling/Reports/Images/0211sel001.jpg

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I mean, Southern Indiana is the fucking South as far as I can tell.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Being from Chicago I have to mention stuffed pizza and Italian Beef sandwiches. If you're ever in the area, I will kick you in the groin if you don't try them.

― buttch (Oops), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Now we're talking.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Duly noted. :)

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Similar to johnycakes, when I was in boy scouts we used to make a thing called "hoe cakes", which were basically small pancakes made with cornmeal. The story goes that farmers used to cook them on the blade of their hoes over a fire.

I like red-eye gravy and country ham.

― fletrejet, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Waffle House is food for gods!!! Or really broke high school students. I ate there at least 2-3 times a week in high school because it was a hangout. Hashbrowns covered all the way.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all about the Betty Crocker recipe cards.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Italian Beef sandwiches

There's a trying-to-be Chicago hot dog/sandwich place that just opened across from UCI and while I can't compare to the real thing per se, I did try an Italian beef sandwich last week and it was mighty tasty.

Waffle House is food for gods!!!

It's definitely an experience.

Anyway, Nordic, yer coming to California and all that, so what you need to learn about is regional Mexican cuisines, Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Iranian, etc. Trust me. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Read this book

http://lookinside-images.amazon.com/Qffs+v35lerkURa1actg3wEuatD8cj6JRU+1UKAsqssolS3nciPXnILcFNpDr0PhzaCJYW/kW64=

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Italian Beef = French Dip with sweet peppers and less of the dipping. Yes, this is a terrific thing.

I've been in Chicago for a decade and I still hate stuffed pizza. But I hate lasagne, too, so that probably explains it. In the hot dogs and pizza race, Chicago-style loses to New York-style something fierce.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

HERETIC!! GET HIM!!!

― buttch (Oops), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I know it's not an American food, but every couple of nights I have dreams where I'm pushing one of those hotdog/pretzel/etc. style carts around New York City selling falafels. It's weird, in that it's A) so normal, and B) one of the best reoccuring dreams of my entire life.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, Nordic, yer coming to California and all that, so what you need to learn about is regional Mexican cuisines, Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Iranian, etc. Trust me. ;-)

Yeah, it's gonna be great. I'm going to try real Mexican food, surf a lot, wear shades all day, have a cadillac with hydraulics just like Snoop...just generally live the dream. ;)

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

corn on the cob, green beans, steak and for dessert strawberry shortcake with whipped cream

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to try real Mexican food

rockist.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

You got me.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

For a discussion on American foods, there's far too little talk of batter-dipped deep-fried things going on in here! Kentucky fried chicken, fried green tomatoes, "frickles" (fried pickles), fried cheese, fried cauliflower, fried banana peppers, fried twinkies, etc, etc. Nothing says "American" quite like 'batter-dipped-&-deep-fried'.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Chicago-style loses to New York-style something fierce

Eh? But you get all those great greens and tomatoes and goodies with full-dressed!

JBR is simply jealous that we have real Mexican food out here instead of whatever they eat over in New York. *awaits inevitable explosion, as we have discussed this before*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

*steam comes out of ears*

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0319/cheapeats.php

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

You should try some Austin, TX Mexican food. Sometimes it's a little too real. Here, have a fat and gristle taco! How about some huevos con leftover grease? Or this: genuine goat head soup! And Tejano music while you eat! Isn't THAT exciting? Everybody loves Tejano music!

It's enough to drive a man to salad.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Why JBR, you've introduced conclusive evidence that New York City is finally becoming civilized and worthy of attention! *dodges brickbats, retires hastily*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

go to hell.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wow, a genuine East/West coast battle, right before my eyes! ILX is so raw, so real! Just don't go to Vegas, Ned...

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Chicken fried steak. fried catfish. turnip greens. home fries with onions. pimento cheese. deviled eggs. sweet iced tea. pit bbq. fried green tomatoes rarely, but yes.

pico de gallo! guacamole! chips and hot sauce (do NOT say salsa!)

― Aaron A., Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

At one Chicago tacqueria I twice accidentally ate tacos made with beef brain. I think the cow might have been radioactive, cause now I have a secret clifftop laboratory and a weird urge to wear a costume.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Just don't go to Vegas, Ned...

The first time I've been there was because the pilot of my plane had a heart attack, so that might be an omen.

I heart JBR and am funnin'. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

we have beans in Boston. Whoopidee frickin doo.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, the Mexicans in New York aren't real Mexicans. They're probably from Costa Rica or something.

I wonder why in trying to identify and celebrate American cuisine everyone has turned to the most "low-brow" (cheap) examples thereof. Is this some kind of defensive reaction against or reclaiming of stereotypes that foreigners have of Americans? Or is there really no genuinely "American" cuisine outside of these sort of things?

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

...or we're all poor muthafuckers who can't afford to eat at Charlie Trotter's

― buttch (Oops), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Creole/cajun/California "fusion"???

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Or is there really no genuinely "American" cuisine outside of these sort of things?

My wife (from China) is of the genuine belief that there really isn't an "American" kitchen. I, of course, am consistently amazed and shocked at her ignorance. I think unless people see you spending 4 hours preparing vegetables and sauces and things, people don't consider you are eating "real" food.

― dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

>I wonder why in trying to identify and celebrate American cuisine
> everyone has turned to the most "low-brow" (cheap) examples
> thereof. Is this some kind of defensive reaction against or
> reclaiming of stereotypes that foreigners have of Americans? Or is
> there really no genuinely "American" cuisine outside of these sort
> of things?

Maybe since America didn't have much of an aristocracy it never developed a haute cuisine? Also, except for southwestern and creol, its traditional regional peasant foods are very simple and bland and don't lend themselves to much "improvement".

Four high-brow American dishes: Lobster Newburg, Oysters Rockafeller, Waldorf Salad, Ceasar Salad.

― fletrejet, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

New England Clam Chowdah

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Baked Alaska...which is very difficult to prepare; I mean for shit sake, you're putting ice cream in the oven!!!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

In Berkeley there certainly is an American haute cuisine -- it's based on continental cuisine but it incorporates locally-cultivated ingredients in a very specific way (see Alice Waters). I think it was originally intended to be a populist, back-to-the-earth sort of thing, but if it ever actually was that's not what it is now -- it's what the rich people eat, particularly rich liberals. California/Oregon/Washington wine is certainly a kind of American haute cuisine as well. And yeah, in the northeast you've got all that fancy seafood (is ceasar salad really high-brow though?!?). I think class here, such that it exists in the US, is defined more by what you eat/drink than anything else, actually.

And yes Nordicskillz, you should go to Chez Panisse and take me with you.

― Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I may need a brand new credit card for that.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"Caesar Salad" is "high-brow"?!

Anyway, yeah of course there's haute American cuisine - what you're really saying is fresh, high-quality local ingredients. See any number of dishes prepared with venison, quail (new world), bass, corn, squash, etc.

Also, Succotash and Hoppin' John.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

All American food is either a bastardized (and possibly improved) variation on some other ethnic cuisine that Europeans brought over, or else it's a bastardization of the very idea of food (which this thread has covered pretty well). Cajun food is the only regional cuisine I can think of that was actually invented in America. And so yes, in this sense, there is no American kitchen.

I think unless people see you spending 4 hours preparing vegetables and sauces and things, people don't consider you are eating "real" food.

Well, you don't have to spend four hours. But for pity's sake, macaroni and cheese is not "real" food, either.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha - cross-post w/ Kris.

(also I meant the last two as other further examples of, uh "regional peasant food")

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

>is ceasar salad really high-brow though?!?

The real-deal, with raw eggs and anchovies (although some people say that anchovies aren't part of a "true" ceasar salads) can be. Most of the time its dumbed down to romain lettuce + cheese + bottled dressing.

― fletrejet, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

My god. Charlie Trotter vs. Kenan Hebert fite.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

(amateurist, check yr mail)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

romain lettuce + cheese + bottled dressing = low-brow

romain lettuce + cheese + bottled dressing + raw eggs + anchovies = high-brow

DO YOU SEE?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

>Well, you don't have to spend four hours. But for pity's sake, macaroni and cheese is not "real" food, either.

Macaroni in cheese was an American invention back to colonial days. It was one of Thomas Jeffersons favourite foods. It is a very "real" food if made with real cheese - alas, nowadays its most often not.

― fletrejet, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't John Ash's restaurant in Berkeley? I worked for a chef that worked out there with him, and have heard AMAZING things about that kitchen.

I served a lot of this "hybrid" cuisine working for said chef; our dishes were actually arranged more around whatever ingredients were freshest than they were arranged around certain styles or "genres" of food.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

>romain lettuce + cheese + bottled dressing = low-brow
>romain lettuce + cheese + bottled dressing + raw eggs + anchovies = high-brow

>DO YOU SEE?

The highbrow version will of course use home-made dressing, which the raw eggs are a component of. It will also use home-made croutons (surprisingly easy to make and so much better than boxed), and other ingredients omitted from the low-brow version. Bottled dressing and boxed croutons are very, very low-brow. I am not judging, I am just describing how it is.

― fletrejet, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I've made caesar salads that were anything but low-brow, even with the fact that the dressing included anchovies.

Caeser dressing = eggs, olive oil, lemon juice, roasted garlic, anchovies...when you make it fresh it's a WHOLE OTHER THING ALTOGETHER.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

John Ash's restaurant is in Santa Rosa. But that's exactly what I'm talking about.

― Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd make my long post, but I don't want to go through the "there is no American cuisine/all cuisines are syncretic-slash-hybrid/no they're not" argument that was already had on another thread (the name of which I can't remember ... I'm not even sure if it was originally about food or not).

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Are hush puppies american? I always liked that story.

― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

John Ash's "wine guy" came out to our restaurant in Lexington a few times and helped us put together these big hoity-toity six-courses-with-a-different-uber-complimentary-wine-with-each-course private parties. Those things were the bomb; the only time in my life as a kitchen boy that I was pulled out of the kitchen by the chef and applauded by the customers.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Americans eat shoes?

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

But Nickalicious, did you get to eat any of the food?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Bostonians shouldn't complain about their local cuisine because they can always buy canolis at the Modern Pastry Shop, which are the finest in these United States.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait - aren't chocolate chip cookies an American invention? Those things are #1!

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

hush puppies are a sort of deep fried cornmeal biscuit

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Just keep telling yourself that, James.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

three words:

deep fried cheesecake

― cprek (cprek), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

― rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

buffalo wings

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

freedom fries!

― Aaron A., Wednesday, 7 May 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

http://desires.com/2.3/Food/Hotdogs/Images/recipe.gif

― rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I think hot dog man needs to scarf a few of his own hush puppies; he's looking absolutely emaciated.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

NORDIQUE:

go to the chez pannize cafe: cheaper, no 2 month wait, and the food is almost as delicious.

american food: scrapple.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

American food: Pemican.

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil wrote:
Bostonians shouldn't complain about their local cuisine because they can always buy canolis at the Modern Pastry Shop, which are the finest in these United States.

i was living 5 blocks from there last year. no argument from me, but you have to try the torrone made on the premises. fresh nougat with almonds, chocolate etc... much better - and i think cheaper - than the packaged, imported stuff.

and across the street there's a fantastic sandwich of rapini and sausage. i could go on and on but none of this stuff is "muhrican" food. boston's also a great ice cream town. in my experience, l.a. is not. it seems cold weather cities have more love for ice cream than warm ones.

while away from la i missed hamburgers at cassell's, roscoe's chicken and waffles, corn dogs from hot dog on a stick - all fairly classically american. and what's more american than the toxic excess of an oki dog bunkerbuster - chili, pastrami, hot dogs and cheese wrapped up in a tortilla.

no one's mentioned bbq? talk about rockism - arguing over who's got the best bbq. all the same, it's great and the subject contains an amazing variety.

a word of warning. americans can't make french fries. almost everywhere you go they'll give you a pile of pale mealy frozen potatoes. if you're lucky they'll be overcooked so they at least have some texture.

― b zuraw (bryan zuraw), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

should have put a separation in there after the line about canoli. sorry.
no one to blame but...

― b zuraw (bryan zuraw), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Pasadena's biggest indie burger joint has something called a Spuderito, which is a burrito with french fries in it along with the usual burrito stuff. I couldn't bring myself to try one but almost every other person who ordered when I was there got one.

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

apple pie!

― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

, why, that's as American as

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

is ceasar salad really high-brow though?!?

It's been devalued by McDonald's and other mass-market versions. But I like to make it at home, because it gives me the delusion that I'm eating healthily.

(Incidentally, you do all know that Caesar salad originated in a restaurant in Mexico?)

And another vote for Boston's Modern Pastry Shop--the first time I visited Boston a friend who lives in the neighborhood made a point of taking us there. Once again, thank you Ken.

― j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 8 May 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

(Incidentally, you do all know that Caesar salad originated in a restaurant in Mexico?)

the hypertransient border city of Tijuana no less...

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 May 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

(...like, should I go to Chez Panisse?)

I was actually a bit disappointed when I went there. I've been to a lot of the top restaurants in San Francisco (yes, Chez Panisse is in Berkeley), and overall my favorite is Jardiniere. Speaking of Caesar salad, the one at Zuni is known as the best... and it is.

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 8 May 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordic, you will be in North California, sell off you kidneys or morgage future children and get yourself a table at the French Laundry. The world's second best restaurant.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 May 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i knew the expediter there during the whole j.beard glory years, it's fallen off from those heady days a bit.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 May 2003 06:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordic, you will be in North California, sell off you kidneys or morgage future children and get yourself a table at the French Laundry. The world's second best restaurant

whats the first?

― phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Go to Maryland & have some crab cakes, they are the best thing ever.

― daria g, Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.cognizant.nu/images/coes01.jpg

― buttch (Oops), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

American food? Let's start off with Cobb salad, which unlike Caesar salad, really was an American invention. (Cobb salad was invented in Southern CA.)

http://i.timeinc.net/sunset/Premium/Food/2001/06-June/Classicsalads0601/salad06012.jpg

And voila, a picture of Cobb salad.

As for sandwiches, the muffaletta is all-American. It comes from Louisiana, although if you're looking for a tasty version outside the state the Jason's Deli chains are a good place to look.

http://www.thatsanice.com/tan_images/tan_recipe_pics/muffaletta_sandwich.jpg

That would be a look at a muffaletta.

A truly American invention that I don't believe has crossed any borders yet is Hamburger Helper. On the rare occasions when I do feel like eating red meat, I will fix Hamburger Helper for the family and eat some of it. It takes me back to my childhood because we ate this 1/4 of the time when I was a child.

http://www.walgreens.com/dbimagecache/71919.gif

Ta-da -- a picture of a Hamburger Helper [beef stroganoff flavor] box.

Chocolate chip cookies are absolutely 100% American, thought up by accent by Ruth Wakefield, proprietor of the Toll House Inn. Once she put out the first batch, they became hugely popular, and in exchange for sharing the recipe for her cookies with Nestle, she got all the chocolate supplies she wanted, and, as a side effect, a page in culinary history and the love of all chocoholics everywhere.

http://www.nestleusa.com/assets/images/recipe/1281.jpg

And of course, you have to finish off with dessert.

Good job I've come down with the flu, or else I'd be gnawing my arm off right now from all the cravings I'd get with this post, particularly with the salad and the cookies.

― Dee the Semi-Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

MmmmmRoscoe's...

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)

oh YUMMM, chicken & waffles~!

― phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Are they open 24 hours? I forget... Fuck I could go for some chicken & waffles right now.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:28 (twenty-two years ago)

That better be a sandwich you're talking about.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:33 (twenty-two years ago)

These are frickin' awesome. Why did it take so long? (i've only had the 'classic mix' w/Doritos, SunChips, pretzels, and Cheetos)
http://www.taquitos.net/dbimages10/Munchies-BBQ.jpg

― buttch (Oops), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:44 (twenty-two years ago)

When it comes to that kind of snack, I've become addicted to Baked Ruffles or Snyder's Pumpernickel-and-Onion pretzels (which I'm not certain they still make), dipped in sriracha and/or hot German mustard. Daaaamn. Give me that and a cheesy Red Square drink to wash it down, I've got the fuel to write a damn epic.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:47 (twenty-two years ago)

It is meant to be El Bulli in catalunya north east of Barcelona. Up there is La Ferme de Mon Pere somewhere near Annecy as well. I've eat and none and want to eat at the all.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

this is making me deeply deeply hungry.
also search cornbread and chilli.

― anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 8 May 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

But Nickalicious, did you get to eat any of the food?

But of course! Actually, I don't think I served one thing at that restaurant that I myself didn't get a taste of first. At these things we served some small-portioned entrees that were really great (things coming to mind: espresso-bbq-sauce venison, veal-w/-mango-chutney, pan-seared peppercorn-crusted ahi), but it was the hors deurves (ha, I served 'em, but I still can't spell it!) were the really great treat - stuff like tempura-battered fried tiger prawns, beef carpaccio, these itty bitty spring rolls with duck, even root-beer-marinated-rabbit raviolis once!

Oh my god...I suddenly really miss that job.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 May 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

!!!Hooray for Roscoe's!!! (chik chik chik)

― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 8 May 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

has anybody ever tried that goose stuffed in a chicken stuffed in a turkey thing? or is it a chicken stuffed in a goose stuffed in a turkey? i can't remember. Philly, where i am, has pepperpot soup. i think that's from here.and the humble cheesesteak of course. and lots of scrapple and pork roll. and pulled pork sandwiches with provolone and broccoli rabe. and Goldenberg's peanut chews and tasty cakes. and lots more of course.

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 May 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I have not tried it but it's called turducken and there was also one where the turducken is stuffed in a pig.

pulled pork sandwich = last night's dinner

― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

http://homepage.mac.com/dougoutg/.Pictures/Rt66.west.trip/Pig.n.Whistle.BBQ.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Taking Sides: Turducken or Tofurkey?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Snyder's Pumpernickel-and-Onion pretzels

I was just eating these last night! (I don't usually.) I was thinking of eating some now, since I haven't had breakfast yet, but I want to hold off and go to Metropolitan Bakery. Snyder's sourdough pretzels are good too, though they can leave you feeling kind of heavy.

― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordic, you will be in North California, sell off you kidneys or morgage future children and get yourself a table at the French Laundry. The world's second best restaurant.

I ate at a great place in SF over Christmas - It was Greek (Kokkari...begins with E) and absolutely delicious. Also so expensive it made me want to drop to my knees and weep. Damn you, San Francisco. Jardiniere...That's in Hayes Valley, right?

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, right, duck not goose. The big thing now, of course, is deep-fried whole turkeys for the holidays. The thing i could never get over at the b-b-q places is that a barebecue sandwich is like 5 pounds of meat on top of a piece of white bread.

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I am angry that Pig'n'Whistle was passed over in silence. Pig'n'Whistle!!

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

What about "Pennsylvania Dutch" food? Shoo fly pie!

― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Rockist, have you ever made the mistake of eating an entire bag of Herr's Salt and Vinegar chips late at night? I have. Ouch!!

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

mmm scrapple

rockist when you go to the metropolitan, please be sure to spit in their eye for me

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

mmmm. thinking about chicago-style pizza has my tummy growling. no fair! nothing even close in london.

i also miss elephant ears, chex mix, reeces cups and huge american breakfasts (waffle/french toast/pancakes and hash browns and juice) and chocolate chip cookes.

mmmmmm.

― colette (a2lette), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

does apple pan dowdy=apple brown betty? It must.

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Re: deep-frying whole turkeys...this can make for amazing turkey, but it's important to marinate it thoroughly (I like to actually inject marinade deep into the flesh via poking holes & using baster to get marinade into the holes*) because it can get very dry. Plus you must realize that, when you bring the turkey out of the fryer (it takes approximately 45 minutes to fry it at 375 fahrenheit, methinks) the outer flesh will be black and look burned. Cut it away though and the meat underneath is so absurdly moist and delicate and...oh my god, this is the first time since having gone veg that I've honestly craved some bird!!!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

haha scott many a college-age "dinner" involved half a bag of herr's salt & vinegar and half a bag of pretzels (to cut the flavor of the chips) and a bottle of coke.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

* when typing this sentence which is in parenthesis, for some reason Dan Perry popped to mind ;-)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

years ago i had a store next to the metropolitan on pine st. and they hated me cuz of my punk rock clientele.but i still go to the one near me for the pumpernickle, baguettes, and the bobbi's jalapeno hummus that they carry.

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

they're a buncha bastards...they fired me cuz my grandma was dying! (true story.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

jess, Metropolitan Bakery too yuppie for you? But some of their stuff is really good. I don't need to spit in their eye, since I have snapped at just about all of them for immediately asking if they could help me as soon as I walk in, when there are always like 100 different things to pick from and there's not way I could have seen half of them by that point.

scott, I've had various bad experiences with salt and vinegar chips, but I have finally learned to stay away from them. ("I just want my mouth to be normal again!")

And unfortunately I can't eat bobbi's jalapeno hummus because it's like setting off explosives in my intestines.

― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

(jess, cross-posted obv. It does seem like a bad place to work.)

― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

In Idaho, the little local restaurants mix potato flakes in everything andprefix the flaked food with spud. So you have Spud Cream instead of ice cream, Spudnuts instead of doughnuts, Spud Fried Steak instead of chicken fried steak (not as weird as it sounds – the only difference is the undetectable presence of potato flakes in the batter). Also, little deep fried globs of mashed potatoes which are actually really tasty.

Then there's the wholly nasty Idaho Spud bar, like a marshmallow peep dipped in coconut and chocolate. I think these are sold nationwide, though.

http://www.vermontcountrystore.com/Content/ProdImages/f02579_lg.jpg

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, most of the stuff they carry is great. (i mean, i basically lived on leftover sandwiches and bread and hummus for those two years.) but they're like the gap of hometown bakeries.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Deep-fried turkey is so, so good....my family always makes it whenever I come to visit. They got really into their deep frier – they had some missionaries over for dinner one night and they decided to deep fry a pot roast. The roast's center was still frozen when dunked into the fryer. As they cut it open for the missionaries, it revealed a totally raw, bloody center. Those poor guys will eat anything.

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I support a sweat-shop bakery. :(

But the alternative is to go to Wawa and buy some sort of gummy muffins wrapped in plastic.

I've never heard of deep-fried turkey. I thought it was a joke when I first saw it on this thread. I guess when it comes to American cuisine, anything is possible.

― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I went to college in a small upstate New York town called Binghamton, which along with Johnson City and Endicott was one of Broome County's "Triple Cities" (hahahahaha what a joke). The Triple Cities' contribution to American food culture? The Spiedie.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

160+ posts and no corndogs? wtf?

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.kolisinn.com/office/image-o/corndog01.gif

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm waiting for a picture of a chic-o-stick. which isn't chicken surprisingly enough.

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

ask and ye shall recieve:

http://theimaginaryworld.com/chico.jpg

worth crowing about, apparently.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

JBR, my cousins are from Endicott. I've only visited a handful of times though - don't think I've ever had a spedie. Must recify that.

And Fivvy, "Spud Cream"?!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Chick o stix is vile.

I do believe Frito Pie is as American as apple pie.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

JBR, my cousins are from Endicott. I've only visited a handful of times though - don't think I've ever had a spedie. Must recify that.

The region is so proud of its spiedie (pronounced "speedy") that every year Binghamton hosts a four-day "Spiedie Fest and Balloon Rally."

God bless America.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks, G. That is one of the weirder mascots. a cowboy rooster selling peanut butter. i looked on a pack of bubble yum gum not that long ago (i think it was bubble yum) and apparently their mascot is a punk rock duck!! I had no idea.

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I cry to be in the marketing meeting where the decided upon the cowboy rooster.

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Whats up Spudnuts.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

you all probably know this already, but Ferrara Pan, the makers of lemonheads and boston baked beans candy, has what is probably my all-time favorite web-site. I was actually thinking of stealing their layout if i ever had a site of my own. they show you how they make lemonheads and the animation is really crude and awesome.

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.ferrarapan.com/html/lemonhead.html

please DO take the virtual tour if you haven't already.

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow.

http://www.ferrarapan.com/assets/images/mrlemonhead.gif

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I get a holla back for Chitlins?

― jm (jtm), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Wot, no love for our friend the collard green?

http://www.bidmc.harvard.edu/obgyn/info_images/collard-greens.jpg

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.gloryfoods.com/Collards.jpg

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The best thing about Spud Cream is that one of the local dairies has tried to incorporate the word Spud into all their Ben & Jerry's rip-off names. So "Chunky Monkey' became "Spuddy Monkey", and "Cherry Garcia" was renamed "Cherry Spuddia". I wish I could remember more – they are all that terrible. maybe I'll stop there after work.

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Collard greens=ugh

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still trying to figure out how the potato flakes work with the ice cream. There is some cognitive dissonance occuring.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 8 May 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't the big treat in Hawaii an italian ice (or water ice as we redundant philadelphians like to call it) with baked red beans at the bottom? anyone ever had one? and while i'm at it, anyone ever try elvis's favorite dish: bananas, bacon and peanut butter on wonder bread?

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 May 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Elvis, you may remember, used to keep bowls of bacon in almost every room in his house, cuz that was his favorite snack.

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 May 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I *love* collard greens. With plenty of hot sauce and a side of cornbread.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Me too - I'll skip the chitlins, though.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't the big treat in Hawaii an italian ice (or water ice as we redundant philadelphians like to call it) with baked red beans at the bottom? anyone ever had one?

Yes, it was good.

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm, pillsbury.com just tried to put a cookie on my hard drive.

― Benjamin (benjamin), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Cheese grits:
http://www.cooksrecipes.com/Nestle5/cheese_grits_casserole.jpg

Dump cake:
http://www.dianasdesserts.com/assets/managed/recipes/Pineapple_Cherry_Dump_Cake.jpg

Key Lime Pie:
http://www.cpfoods.com/images/photos/693_bg.jpg

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordicskillz: When you are in Berkeley, you will go to the Cheeseboard Collective's pizza shop on Shattuck (near Panisse). They make one variety every day that they're open (which is hard to predict). The pizza is very good, though it isn't anything like "normal" pizza, and very cheap.

― Benjamin (benjamin), Thursday, 8 May 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

eight months pass...

haha! are you "learned" yet?

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

So learned. So very, very learned.

Really though, I have been through like three food "phases" in the last six months or so.

California Organic>>>Burritos>>>>>Trader Joes & Kielbasa

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

but kielbasa is polish, not american!

except hillshire farms kielbasa -- if you put that shit anywhere near yer mouth and yer last name ends with -ski, -czyk, or -wicz; you get yer polack card revoked forever.

― Lech Walesa (llamasfur), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Tad, I am indeed talking about Hillshire Farms. And you will find I do indeed have some Polish blood, being of Eastern European mongrel heritage.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha I went to a "Mexian" reaturant near Leicester Square tonight called "Navajo Joe"

They had nice blinis

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Please point me to a better kielbasa.

Tracer, that place is...special.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

neat! you'll have to try rosamunde gourmet sausage grill ($3.50-$4.00) next door to a place that specializes in international dra(ugh)ft beers. right across the street is the bar that all your fellow ex-pats go to watch football games in the wee hours of the morning (i think i mailed you about this place).

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

well my 100% Polish friend does eat Hilshire Farms. fortunately his last name is ends in -bella.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

right across the street is the bar that all your fellow ex-pats go to watch football games in the wee hours of the morning (i think i mailed you about this place).

Yes. I must go. What a lethal combo.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

tracer, i think that you'll find better mexican in covent garden on langley street.

sadly, i have yet to find a place that does chicago-style pizza. mmmmmmm. cheese.

― colette (a2lette), Friday, 9 January 2004 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

oh man, i had me some scrapple on new years day. my plan to weigh 400 lbs by june is going just as planned.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

what have i told you about emulating simpsons plotlines?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

do so at any opportunity?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess, must you prop up the scrapple industry? That shit is toxic.

― j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

scraple is little gray squares of mushy godhead

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 January 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Dont forget about gravy. Americans love gravy. I do.

― El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Friday, 9 January 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

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