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as suggested by miloauckerman on the "stone cold classic films" thread.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

what qualifies as a "teen film" for our purposes?

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

a film made by, for, and featuring only teenagers

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Films about teenagers/young adults aimed at teenagers/young adults?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Lost Angels - notable for being the film debut of Adam Horovitz.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Sixteen Candles!!!!!!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Rebel Without a Cause
Porky's
Fast Times at Ridgmont High
Bring It On
Show Me Love
Better Off Dead
Kids
Valley Girl
House Party
Donnie Darko
Pump Up The Volume
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
Dazed and Confused
The Breakfast Club
Heathers
Cruel Intentions
Foxes
Little Darlings

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:25 (twenty-two years ago)

by, for, about teens with few (hopefully no) other genre trappings (though plenty of the above are quasisomethings)

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

eg. Bring It On is quasi-musical, Donnie Darko is quasi-sci fi

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck Breakfast Club, SIXTEEN CANDLES!!!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Excellent list Mr. Blount, bravo!

― That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

but i'm a cheerleader

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Crazy/Beautiful
10 Things I Hate About You
Can't Hardly Wait
Empire Records
Glory Days

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

She's All That (a perfect model of the genre)
Ghost World
Heathers (deserves two votes)
Rumble Fish
A Nightmare on Elm Street
Pretty In Pink
10 Things I Hate About You

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Y Tu Mama Tambien
Take Care of My Cat
Rebel without a Cause

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah yeah, Rushmore too.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)

american pie surely? or do straight-up comedies not count

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

was Rushmore really aimed at teenagers per se? or young adults?

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Sixteen Candles!!! By the time Tom Hughes and crew got to Pretty In Pink they werent teens anymore.

I love all those films regardless. Just dont supress your love for the uber geek John Cusack.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Rock 'N' Roll High School. Bombs, drugs and the Ramones. heh.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Clueless - the role of silverstone's career. whatever happened to her?

Crazy/Beautiful - the chemistry between hernandez and dunst is palpable. she acts up a storm in this.

Bully - a few too many phillips crotch shots for my taste, this would rank as one of the most bleak depictions of young people ever.

― Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

That should be Glory Daze.
I don't think so much of it, but Rules of Attraction got a lot of ILE love from what I remember.

Does Election count as a teen movie?

Are there any universally reviled movies (Varsity Blues, I'm looking at you)?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Blount's list is pretty damn solid.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah duh Clueless is k-classic.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to say "a teen is an important character in it => it is a teen movie" but then I realized that would make Double Indemnity a teen movie!

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah election counts! a great film. reese should do more of these indie films.

― Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

will anyone stick up for the thoroughly repellent Less Than Zero?

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

want to kill a thread?

get james to post his lists of film. damn near thinks of everything!!
great list mate.

― Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Holy shit Clueless! Of course!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

justyn it would also make lolita a "teen movie! and that's a definite no-no.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

for those who care, take care of my cat is a korean movie from last year which chronicles the coming apart of a group of girlfriends in the year after they graduate from high school. it takes place in fusan and has a very precise sense of place, mood, class, etc. it was a big hit (critical and commercial) in korea and features a number of big pop stars (who of course i didn't recognize).

y tu mama tambien was apparently THE film to see for mexican teenagers.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I almost forgot Go. Sarah Polley+Katie Holmes+low-rent Christopher Walken (the cop)=excellent

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Y tu mama was a huge deal in Mtl though I never got around to seeing it.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

suicide club!

(re. justyn's comment about "having a teen it = teen movie" ... i'd love to program a double bill and see 100s of unwitting teenagers sit through lolita and kitano's boiling point)

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:49 (twenty-two years ago)

it is amazing how hott dunst is in c/b. i think it's the lack of makeup, and oh yeah, the no bra wearin' and shirt liftin

say anything
the ice storm
welcome to the dollhouse
virgin suicides?

― ron (ron), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:51 (twenty-two years ago)

What, no River's Edge? (True, it's got a decidedly non-teenaged Dennis Hopper, but every teen film needs its father figure, right?)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Stand by me

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

crikey jim! how did we forget that classic!

― Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Not Another Teen Movie is clearly the apex of the genre

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought NATM tried too hard

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Election, Ice Storm are too transgenerational, Go, Less Than Zero are twentysomething movies, A Nightmare on Elm Street is clearly a horror movie first and foremost, though it probably should qualify somehow also (along with Halloween, Friday the 13th, Scream, etc.). HUGE ditto to Virgin Suicides, etc. (I woulda mentioned Say Anything too, but Cameron Crowe and John Cusack are dead to me now.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Rules of Attraction is a college flick like Animal House, or Revenge of the Nerds.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah that ain't no teen flick.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Igby Goes Down
The Craft
American Graffiti
Leila 4-Ever

― JesseFox (JesseFox), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Some Kind of Wonderful
The Sure Thing

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ooh ooh ooh - Ginger Snaps!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Real Genius

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I love all teen films.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:28 (twenty-two years ago)

but that doesn't help, I just rewatched American Pie 2 and it's a classic. I SO look forward to American Wedding although they're not supposed to really be teens anymore...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:29 (twenty-two years ago)

To go back a few years (what are you all, 20 and 30-year olds??? Uh, oh yeah): Last Summer, The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-In-The-Moon Marigolds, Harold and Maude, You're a Big Boy Now, The Sterile Cockoo, Bless the Beasts and Children. Some of these feature early-20 somethings, but they're films teenagers should watch.

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Last Picture Show
Outsiders
Wanderers

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 07:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Bless the Beasts and Children!!! Color me intrigued!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

The upthread mentioned Fast Times at Ridgemont High ownz.

Phoebe. Oh, Phoebe!

― weatheringdaleson (weatheringdaleson), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 07:59 (twenty-two years ago)

my second crush!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:00 (twenty-two years ago)

BTB&C is a bit on the sentimental side (but not much, really), about the misfit tent of this summer camp situation whose members steal a truck and go to this "shoot-a-penned-buffalo-and-consider-it-hunting" business to set the buffalo free. Theme song by the Carpenters, so you know it rocks.

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The upthread mentioned Fast Times at Ridgemont High ownz.

"Doesn't anyone knock anymore?"

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ooh summer camp flix!

Bless the Beats and Children
Meatballs
Gorp
Little Darlings
Heavyweights (ok, not really a teen flick - these kids are thirteen tops - but there is a great shaving as manhood scene and it's also just a great great flick. Judd Apatow did it so there's alot of Larry Sanders and Ben Stiller show folx)
Friday the 13th saga (cept for in Manhattan aka Houseboat and in Outer Space)
Wet Hot American Summer

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:07 (twenty-two years ago)

(note: people who don't find fat kids bouncing on aquatic inflatable trampolines in slow motion amusing might not like Heavyweights)

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:09 (twenty-two years ago)

House Party

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:17 (twenty-two years ago)

already listed fule!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i never read *your* posts though fule

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:30 (twenty-two years ago)

alternatively: i meant the second one

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:31 (twenty-two years ago)

VARSITY BLUES, chumps!

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Heathers obv belongs in ANY canon

― Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Screwballs
Angel Dusted
Class of 1984
Over the Edge
Pixote

― dave q, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Angels With Dirty Faces
Blackboard Jungle
Grease
Lucas
Weird Science
Karate Kid
Risky Business
War Games

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Carrie

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

the two leads in Angels With Dirty Faces are grown men, Karate Kid, War Games are too transgenerational.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

time for a new thread folks?

― Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

'Threesome'
'Massacre at Central High'
'Detroit Rock City'

― dave q, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

'Menace II Society'
'The Boy Who Drank Too Much'
'Richie'

― dave q, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)

She's all that
Some kind of Wonderful (the correct version of pretty in pink)
Gregory's girl
Varsity Blues
Bring it on
Pump up the volume
10 things I hate about you

― chris (chris), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 09:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, here's mine:

The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer (1947, first film to reference The Teenager as such)
Heathers
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Gas Food Lodging
Quadrophenia
Clueless
West Side Story
Pump Up The Volume
Carrie
To Sir With Love
If....
Beautiful Thing
Little Darlings
Foxes
Heavenly Creatures
Fucking Amal (Lukas Moodyson)
Welcome to the Dollhouse
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
The Breakfast Club
Kids
Bully
My Own Private Idaho
Christiane F.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Points for Fucking Åmål (aka Show Me Love); the best teen film ever?

I recently saw Dude, Where's My Car?, and actually liked it, even though it tried too hard to be the Bill & Ted of the new millennium.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)

The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer is such a great flick!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I refuse to answer until How to Deal comes out. It looks like it might be pretty good!

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

it's got Mandy Moore in it so I'll be there!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

+ Allison Janney!! (= lezzup plz plz plz)

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Varsity Blue, for all purposes, should've sucked shit. Surprisingly enough, it was actually a pretty friggin good movie!

Has nobody mentioned Dazed and Confused yet? Fer chrissakes why not?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"This is my new girlfriend - we're going to go and fuck now."

― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't Buy Me Love with the immortal Patrick Dempsey is one of the greatest teen flicks ever.

I also agree with the Wanderers assesment.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Repo Man

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Dazed and Confused was mentioned up top fule!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't Buy Me Love with the immortal Patrick Dempsey is one of the greatest teen flicks ever.

And now they're doing a remake w/that kid from Drumline!

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Harry Dean Stanton weren't no teenager!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh duh...and of course it was in THE BLOUNT'S perfect list.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I know Nicole and its killing me. Why can't they leave a great film alone.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Harry Dean Stanton weren't no teenager!

No, but Otto and his deviant friends are.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

too transgenerational < / hongro >

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

no one else picked up on my "rebel without a cause" suggestion. (weeps)

i must be a old fogey, because i thought "american pie" was a fucking mess by any standard. i also thought it was unfunny. it remind me of a bad usc film student's short somehow stretched to feature length.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to see this How to Deal movie some time early next week, I believe. Mandy Moore is my great shameful crush of all time.

WALK TO REMEMBER 4EVER

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Mandy Moore is frighteningly well-spoken, like she's taken every diction and public speaking class ever. Even when she's giving off-the-cuff interviews while walking down hotel corridors she sounds totally rehearsed and on-point. Even her laughter sounds rehearsed. It is awesomely impressive and more than a little scary.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe she's just being puckish and insouciant.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you implying she's some sort of Terminatrix? I resent that.

(x-post)

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

She's just an All-American girl!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Nicole: it's exactly the opposite! She's totally perky and attentive and friendly!

S1utsky in love-hate relationship with the enemy-to-the-south shocka!

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I was in the country last weekend & I went to a small-town ice cream parlour (the kind with an old jukebox & everything) and there was this Mandy Moore type working behind the counter. I almost proposed marriage right then and there.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, it is very possible that Moore is a very sophisticated version of Disney's line of genetically-enhanced clonebots.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

s1utsky i went to a kfc somewhere in rural ontario and there was a similar type working there! she was tall and blonde and uber-friendly. i had all kinds of confusing class and gender issues to sort through before i could offer to rescue her and take her back to chicago.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

LOVERBOY! Which is a better Dempsey flick than Can't Buy Me Love...

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

haha

This was rural Ontario. More of a brunette though.

OH MY GOD THEY'RE TWINS

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Loverboy is not even in the same class as Can't Buy Me Love! The Ronny Express!

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Loverboy > Can't Buy Me Love! Patrick Dempsey don't get enough respect!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

s1utsky: what's funny is that just after we left in both cases, an evil disney talent scout swooped down and plucked them from canada and brought them to the den of iniquity, aka los angeles.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure Disney actually seeded them there to soak up small-town vibes as part of the conditioning process.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Patrick Dempsey !

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever (the movie)

― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

amateurist - Rebel Without a Cause was mentioned up top fule!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

St. Elmo's Fire
Tadpole

If West Side Story is an important film in this genre, that makes Romeo and Juliet (the play and its filmed versions) a key ancestor.

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

the Zefferelli and the Luhrmann ones totally count (and also totally suck!)

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"The Last American Virgin" is the best of the 80s teen films, mostly because of the ending.

Tom Cruise's 80s Teen Film Trilogy:

"Losin' It"
"All the Right Moves"
"Risky Business"

Francis Ford Coppola tapped into the teen movies in the 80s with "The Outsiders" and "Rumblefish".

Two more 80s tough teenage movies would be "Reckless" with Aiden Quinn?? as a bad boy seducing rich girl Daryl Hannah and "Endless Love" which has a sappy love song and a phycho boyfriend burning down the house.

Of course, you could also throw horror movies like "Christine", "The Lost Boys", "Fright Night", "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", "Friday the 13th" (series), & "Nightmare on Elm St." (series) into the 80s teen movie genre, but that may be a pushing things.

― earlnash, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah...another one..."My Bodyguard" and don't forget the Scott Baio creating superdope in the science lab classic of "Zapped!".

― earlnash, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Footloose (and good shout with Gregory's Girl - I thought of that on the bus in the way into work this morning)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

File under HOT older women somehow ends up with young teenage boy (a subgenre of 80s teen films):

Private Lessons
My Tutor (both with Emannuelle Sylvia Kristel)

Class (yeah right, Jacqueline Bisset would pick up some high school doofus like Andrew McCarthy.)

too a lesser extent... Weird Science

― earlnash, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Summer of 42! My Tutor and Losin It actually fall into this category too. alot of crossover between 'teacher's gonna teach me how to fuck' and 'gotta get laid by Christmas' flix.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Stealing Home!

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

what about Career Opportunities, isn't Frank Whaley a teen in it.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

God that movie was a ripoff

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

the trailer was all Jennifer Connelly bouncey bouncey on the kiddie ride but the movie was all Frank Whaley Home Alone in a Target.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

and Dermot.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Goonies

― kephm, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Loverboy is like the most homophobic movie ever!

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

How is Loverboy homophobic? His dad's okay with it!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

risky business
lost boys

― kephm, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Yanc3y his dad pretends to be OK with it for PC reasons and then he is k-relieved when it turns out that rather than being gay (oh no!) his son was actually shtumping a gaggle of lonely housewives (oh kay!).

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I know! It's great!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

the dad's only vaguely affecting tolerance to satisfy his wife's defense - but his affectation is so weak (he's clearly freaked) it almost drives her right into the arms/loins of her son!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

13 year old me - "so wait, Princess Leia paid this guy to have sex with her? wtf?!!!"

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, no shit, Loverboy made me wanna be a pizza delivery boy. And not really for sex either! I just thought P-Demp was hella dope. Just think of that white suit he borrowed from David Byrne!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

And the end moral is, "Don't be gay or you'll have to fuck your mom."

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

how did the boss not fire his ass for taking like an hour and a half on each delivery run too?

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.canonprojectors.com/images_phome/nav3_picture.jpg

― Dada, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

oh how brilliant

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Loverboy left so many questions unanswered.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

er Wayne's World, I guess. I always like the 30-something view of teenagedom.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

all those classic traci lords films

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"films"

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

NYC FAP Photos (picture thread)

The music in this flick is so great

― Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"Running on Empty" one of the great ones.

too transgenerational.

because teens are *stupid*!

Stealing Home!

ha! totally.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 10 July 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.nj.com/phillies/175_pic/0930ap_glanville.jpg

― Dada, Thursday, 10 July 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

not hardly, he burred

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 10 July 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Breaking Away

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 10 July 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

AMG ratings for "teen movies"

crazy/beautiful - 2.5 stars
Cruel Intentions - 2.5
10 Things I Hate About You - 2.5
Dick - 2.5
Can't Hardly Wait - 2
She's All That - 2

But Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey gets 3 stars. That's fucked up.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 10 July 2003 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

that is fucked up. if ever there was a 5 star movie that is it.

― ryan (ryan), Thursday, 10 July 2003 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

dick is not a teen movie.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 10 July 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Dick is great.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 10 July 2003 05:47 (twenty-two years ago)

it is. it is not a teen movie though.

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 July 2003 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I think The Stoned Age is the only one I like that hasn't been mentioned.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 10 July 2003 06:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like I'd like that one if i didn't see it as a teen.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 10 July 2003 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think I've ever seen a teen movie I didn't like

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 10 July 2003 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Just-remembered exception: Sorority Boys. Unless that was a college flick.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 10 July 2003 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The Stoned Age had sex making to Blue Oyster Cult in it.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 10 July 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I forgot Can't hardly wait, that's a good one, not to mention Say anything

― chris (chris), Thursday, 10 July 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris: And the Gnarly Eye. What's not to love?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 10 July 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't Hardly Wait could've been fantastic if it weren't for the Jenna Elfman cameo.

Dick = suck city. I loved it the first time I saw it (I was stoned, duh), but I've seen it twice sense and it's annoyed me.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 10 July 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Trip McNeely

― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 10 July 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

has anyone seen The New Kid? I saw a little bit of it at the store when I was getting something else and it looked hilarious.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 10 July 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Dick is about teenage girls dealing with teenage issue in a comedic fashion. What makes it "not a teen movie"?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 10 July 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Watergate was not a teenage issue.

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 July 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

it's standard 'insert comic trope into history' fare (see also: Black Knight)

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 July 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

It wasn't "about" Watergate. It was about two girls who had a crush on Nixon, that just happened to center around Watergate. I don't think many people confused Dick with All The President's Men.

How does using history or an event as setting for a movie invalidate its "teen" status? Why do they have to be set in the present, or outside of any historical or cultural context?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

"by, for, about teens"

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The Virgin Suicides is a Kirsten Dunst movie set in the early 70s that qualifies as a teen movie. Dick is a Kirsten Dunst movie set in the early 70s that does not qualify as a teen movie. Is The Cat's Meow a teen movie?

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

By teens? Michelle Williams and Kirsten Dunst - both teens.
For teens? Yep. You didn't actually have to know the history of Watergate (though everyone I knew as a teenager had some idea, most more than that).
About teens? Well, looks like having two teenage girls as the main characters qualifies as "about" teens.

Thus far, Dick qualifies under all your criteria.

The Cat's Meow had no teen characters and didn't deal with teenage issues. Thus using it to support your argument is rather specious, or you just couldn't think of another movie starring Kirsten Dunst.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

teenist!
(x post)

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The Cat's Meow - a period piece about the Ince death featuring Kirsten Dunst

Dick - a period piece about Watergate featuring Kirsten Dunst

The Virgin Suicides - a period piece about adolescence featuring Kirsten Dunst

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Blount OTM

Dick belongs in the political romantic comedy ouvre alongside true classics like Dave and The American President (two of my absolute favorite movies).

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Featuring Kirsten Dunst as a twenty-something actress. No teen characters. Thus eliminated from contention, and a non-sequitur.

Your argument seems to come down to the view that Dick was "about Watergate." But it wasn't about the politics, the conspiracies, the resignation or the aftermath - as I said, no one's going to confuse Dick with All The President's Men,

It was about two teenage girls with a crush on Tricky Dick. Aren't crushes on people you can never have kind of the ultimate "adolescent" issue?

To respond to Yancey, I see no reason that films can't fall in more than one genre. Politics serves as a backdrop, nothing more. Political romantic comedy and teen movie.

I think the defining question here should be:

"Could the main story have been replicated with adult characters?"

Would Dick have worked with two 30-year old women? Two 40-year old women? Grandmothers?

No.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

But in The Cat's Meow Dunst's character is supposed to be about 21 or 22! And Dunst herself is 20 or so now.

I think we're defining "teen" rather broadly, unless every Jodie Foster movie is a "teen movie"! (Come to think of it I nominate Taxi Driver!!!)

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

NELL!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Nell is clearly an answer movie to Lucas!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Other teen movies of note: Hardcore, Tromeo and Juliet, Battle Royale

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Kids

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

haha jesus I saw Kids in the theater with my dad, bad bad bad move.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Dick could have easily worked with two forty year old women or two grandmothers, only then the humour would've been derived from 'hey, look, it's two forty year old women/grandmothers exposing Watergate' instead of 'hey, look, it's two teenaged girls exposing Watergate', the age of the protagonists is joke grist, not thematic essence.

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

it's standard 'insert comic trope into history' fare (see also: Black Knight)

I disagree with you there sir. Black Knight is Connecticut Yankee-style "modern man transported to antiquity" comedy. And its humour doesn't derive from playing off common knowledge of historical events.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

dont' mess with s1utsky, his senior thesis was on martin lawrence.

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

s1utsky was right (I was reaching)

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

fwiw, I'm not entirely sure Dick isn't a teen movie, it just doesn't feel like one to me (adults are peripheral figures in teen movies - hardly the case in Dick). it feels alot more like Dave than She's All That.

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

"A 'Bad Boy' in 'Big Momma's House:' Martin Lawrence and the Negation of Gender"

― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

What about the made for TV movies? Go Ask Alice, Dawn: Portrait of a Teenage Runaway, and I'm sure many more.

― nickn (nickn), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Dick could have easily worked with two forty year old women or two grandmothers, only then the humour would've been derived from 'hey, look, it's two forty year old women/grandmothers exposing Watergate' instead of 'hey, look, it's two teenaged girls exposing Watergate', the age of the protagonists is joke grist, not thematic essence.

So you think two fourty-year old women having crushes on Richard Nixon and walking his dog would work?

Everything about the story and characters would change.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 11 July 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

has anybody seen 'lost and delirious'??

― ron (ron), Friday, 11 July 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

theory: any periodicity cancels out teenness.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

example which proves theory wrong: Dazed and Confused

― oops (Oops), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

And American Graffiti.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

see I'd call those both coming-of-age, not teen necessarily.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

They're both (I tend to connect the two in many ways - almost all teen movies are coming-of-age in some way, but not all coming-of-age movies are teen movies).

If we broke 'teen movie' down more - only teen high-school romantic comedies, for instance - then yeah, I'd agree (because romance wasn't the prime motivator for either one).

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Lost and Delirious was rough.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

AND NOT AT ALL APPEALING IN ANY WAY

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

good god i loved The New Kid so much esp. for the theme song.

its rilly hit/miss tho and only "on" about half the time.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The New Guy you mean?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

with the estimable DJ Qualls?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah new guy.

i don't remember all the bits, but some of the humor was pretty vicious social satire and some was just... odd... enough to make it like Better Off Dead style.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like it for making Zooey Deschanel look dumpy.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

She does NOT look dumpy!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Vanilla Ice, tho - he had a bit of unflattering dump in his trunk, I think. Or maybe it was the haircut.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Just in that movie, don't you think?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

And, uh, I don't think Vanilla Ice was in that movie.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

He was! In the record store! He's a bouncer type!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah the gag with the whole clothing scene and "sorry i've been in prison a long time" was PRICELESS.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 11 July 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

what did that girl keep saying in lost and delirious? "rage more" or something. rage something.

― ron (ron), Friday, 11 July 2003 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"stay gold"

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i've seen a few straight-to-cable teen movies in my day which don't even bear invoking. but whenever people speak of the "worst movies ever" in the back of my mind there are always some very good candidates.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 11 July 2003 06:41 (twenty-two years ago)

100 Girls and Summer Catch were pretty bad. And that Freddie Prinze/Melissa Joan Hart movie.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

"Summer Catch" was 1000 leagues better than "100 Girls," for which any epithet no matter how harmful would seem inadequate. The former at least had a classical plotline and a sense of form, no matter how warmed over the goods and uncharismatic the leads.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha! I almost picked up 100 Girls from work one day last year but I couldn't bring myself to do it.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked Summer Catch. Best teen sports flick since... Varsity Blues? Mighty Ducks 3?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I wanna kill that guy in 100 Girls

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 12 July 2003 07:41 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...

Apparently teen films can't do wrong.

Anyone seen The Perfect Score?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:16 (twenty-two years ago)

oh i so want to! haha - the only scarlett johanssssson flick i've wanted to see in a long time!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I skipped class to see the Cooler instead of it yesterday. My mistake. The Cooler suXor.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, i've heard that. how much did it reek of mamet?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Better Off DEAD!!!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that was the Macy effect more than anything to do with the script. (Though I haven't seen Glengarry Glen Ross - just "House of Games," terrible and that heist movie, less terrible.)

Best part: Paul Sorvino's junkie Sinatra-wannabe
Worst part: Alec Baldwin

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:27 (twenty-two years ago)

really? ppl were going ape over baldwin i thought

― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:30 (twenty-two years ago)

savage steve holland did the voice for the whammy on press your luck.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't understand all the Baldwin love. He was Alec Baldwin doing a (parody of?) a mob-backed casino boss, a rejected audition tape from a Scorsese movie.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 6 February 2004 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

1 Ferris Bueller
2 Dazed & Confused
3 Bring It On

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i mentioned all of those earlier

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 6 February 2004 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

It takes more than one mensh to make a canon. I'm seconding those choices. Also 'Dick'.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

It doesn't take two mentions to put Ferris Bueller in the canon.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

You mean it's already there through obviousness? I'll concede that.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

just saw "Last American Virgin" tonight, and it might have the best final five minutes of film since Antonioni's L'Eclisse. no joke (though the rest of the film is inconsistent).

until i saw this thread i thought i was the only one who liked "the new guy". it hit a little close to home because my friend mike and I wanted to start a funk club at my high school. i think we just wanted to get some funk records, some people, and a stereo in the same room.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:40 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

10 things was on tv tonight. What a great movie! We should do a list of best stupid-delightful awkward public singing to display affection scenes! Also julie stiles dancing to biggie = hotttt.

(btw on Cooler I thought the whole *point* was to be parodic, like affectionately masculine/anti-masculine)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I tend to define "teen movie" as the kind I've completely outgrown and couldn't possibly understand. I hate all teen movies, even the ones I liked as a teen. They're stupid as a rule.

― Harold Media (kenan), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

And yes, I *do* hate fun, thank you very much.

― Harold Media (kenan), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

We didn't mention Get Over It on this thread either. Its not quite 10 Things... but it is actually hella closer to WMS in spirit and the way it throws the plot around madly. The problem with 10 Things... for me (which is the only problem, and not necc. a problem really) is that watching it I wanna break out in songs from Kiss Me Kate.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Criterion's I, Vitelloni comes out Tuesday, neo-realist teen flick? I'm so there.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 22 August 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

10 things is pretty good and i had some real affection for get over it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

watching it I wanna break out in songs from Kiss Me Kate.

This is only a problem if you're too cool for yourself.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Does California Man count? Is Shore too old by Biodome for that to count (it's mentality is kind of adolescent). I would love it if Weekend at Bernies was eligible, though I guess thats really pushing too far.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Was Get Over It the one with Sisqo?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

yep!

(oh Ned the problem is that I want to enjoy that movie and not the other musical, and since it calls KmK to mind, then I think of something else which is infinitely superior both to 10 things and to nearly everything else)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 23 August 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Sarah and I had a cultural exchange this past weekend where we each picked out one movie that we had seen and enjoyed but the other person hadn't seen. As a result, I saw Footloose for the first time. I have to say I was pretty impressed by the moral ambiguity and complexity of the characters. There's no real bad guy in the movie. Well, the sleazy boyfriend, but he's hardly in the movie at all and they do show that he was hurt by the main girl leaving him for Kevin Bacon. The preacher-dad is hardly a villain at all. It's kinda cool. I made Sarah watch The Night of the Hunter, but that's not particularly relevant to this thread.

― n.a. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Has no one mentioned Grease?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

http://www.emanuellevy.com/search/details.cfm?id=2174

At night, sitting around a bonfire, they tell stories, which are shown in flashbacks. The fat kid recounts a revenge tale--how he participated in a pie-eating contest at the end of which he vomited over a contestant's face.

the fuck is wrong w/you, emanuel levy??

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 07:04 (fifteen years ago)

Stone-Cold Classics:
Seventeen
Donnie Darko
Cruel Intentions
Bully
Clueless
Can't Hardly Wait
Crazy/Beautiful
Brick
Rebel Without a Cause

― lol dope (Tape Store), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 07:12 (fifteen years ago)

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