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OK can anyone explain to my why Jarvis Cocker decided that looking like this was bad:

http://www.mtv.com/news/images/p/pulp980624.gif http://www.suburbia.com.au/~anthony/Pulp/Jarvis.chip.jpg

and that look like this was good:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/music/2002/10/images/pulp_100.jpg http://www.sputniktv.com/especials/0025_primavera/pulp.JPG

I mean for fuck's sake.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

It's like, taking sides, being the hottest man ever versus being a homeless man from 1976.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know why that one picture takes so long to load btw, I'm real sorry I didn't realize it was big file size.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Looking like a hobo (or Neil Young, same difference) is the new style trend for men in 2003.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

aren't all of those pictures at least 5 years old?
he looks more like this now:
http://going24-7.com/pins/images2/j-jiminy.gif

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally is trying not to be reminded of his actual 2003 look.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

http://rarara.v21hosting.co.uk/photos/dscf0008.jpg
(yes yes i know it's been pointed out many times before but still...)

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

HIS ACTUAL 2003 LOOK IS THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME. If anyone posts that goddamned Goth band picture I swear to god I'm going to stab myself in the thigh with a fork to ease the mental pain.

Seriously, who thinks this way? "Oh well, here I am, hottest man in the entire world, what shall we do about this? Right let me dress up like a cross between an even geekier Elvis Costello and Leisure Suit Larry, and then not shower for four years!"

xpost: N. DOES NOT LOOK LIKE JARVIS COCKER.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

He probably thinks that he's so hot he can afford to make himself look bad on purpose, like the hotness will seep through or something. I've seen it happen to many a hot guy - it's a crying shame.

― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i am SO tempted to photoshop those glasses on. taking sides: finishing work on time and not letting people down and going home before 2am vs. slight, fleeting amusement to self and select group of internet users?

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

HIS ACTUAL 2003 LOOK IS THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME. If anyone posts that goddamned Goth band picture I swear to god I'm going to stab myself in the thigh with a fork to ease the mental pain.

It's like he walked into a Hot Topic and saw on of the boys working at the register and thought "You know what? This is the look for me!".

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Is he taken? Men let themselves go something terrible when they're in a couple...

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

This makes me want to cry:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/collective/dnaimages/edenproject.jpg

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

No offense to the boy at the Hot Topic register, he is my dawg.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

http://x12.homestead.com/files/mr-rogers.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

He actually looks a lot like my mom in that one.
x-post, not that one! the jarvis cocker one.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

He was taken...by Chloe Sevigny, who I now declare worst person EVER.

Fuck it, I'll just take Anime Jarvis, I prefered him anyway.

http://www.suburbia.com.au/~anthony/Pulp/His_n_Hers.jpg

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally... You DO know that he's like 60 years old, right? I mean, he didn't have a song called "Help the Aged" for nothing.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought he was 73, actually.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

He was taken...by Chloe Sevigny

Hey, who hasn't been? She ain't choosy.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

She's like the Winona Ryder of good bands.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved the look from 'This is Hardcore', and espcecially from the "Help the Aged" video. sort of Italo-Indie-Sleaze-Pornstar-70s-homeless kinda thing.

Also, he married to a bigtime stylist, Camille Bidault-Waddington and I think she's had their first kid.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The best Pulp video is "This is Hardcore", by far.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

That is far and away my favorite Pulp song. It's just sleazy and despondent.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember when the single was on the verge of coming out the Pulp list descriptions made it sound like some quick paced epic. The epic part was right but the slow build completely threw me for a loop.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

How can you even have a "far and away" favorite Pulp song? I broke down and brought the Hits even though I have all the fucking songs, like a moron and I'm just like, whoa, this is easily the greatest album that ever happened. "Babies", "Razzmatazz", "Common People"? "Sorted for E's & Wizz", dude. "This is Hardcore" is such a good song but motherfuck, "Common People".

Haha I'm making a mix CD for someone and wanted to put "Something Changed" on it=I have turned emo.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I am almost overly fond of "TV Movie".

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Pulp in general doesn't do it for me. The first song I heard by them was "This Is Hardcore" (remember I spent the years that they were big basically listening to nothing but UK hardcore and trip-hop) and the only other one I've heard that's evoked similar feelings is "Common People". I don't think I've ever heard "Babies" or "Razzmatazz".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

DUDE "DISCO 2000" TRUST ME.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Dawg, you simply must check them out!

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't be hatin' on my boy Jarvis, son!!!

Actually the best "Pulp" song is "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Pelvis" by Jarvis and Barry Adamson. I take back everything I said previously. Dan, if you haven't heard that you must do so. Immediately.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

"Pencil Skirt" is one of the hottest songs ever! I love how Jarvis consistently fools himself (in the lyrics at least) by conflating sexual revenge and class warfare - interestingly, his wife is about as posh as they come ("smoking your cigarettes, drinking your brandy" etc).

Also, the "Help the Aged" video just edges out the "Disco 2000" video (with "This is Hardcore" a close third).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, I'd wager that you would really like all of those songs. Dan, have you heard the "His N Hers" album?

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally OTM re. "Disco 2000"!!!

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"I kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad, ooh baby."

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"I kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad, ooh baby."

That line always reminds me of Teorema with Terence Stamp.

Pasolini: "Give me your most decadent actor!"

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm...Dan, I'm thinking it's time for a little something to be shared via the Secret Channels.

This thread is reminding me I need to get that import DVD with all the videos.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I have not heard _His N Hers_.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

IIRC correctly, Dan did say that he thought Pulp were retreading a lot of what the Psych Furs had done, and I actually think that's a great comparison (needless to say I lurve both bands).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I need to get that import DVD with all the videos

I would masturbate to thatI need that too!

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

*cough*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Songs that Dan needs to hear and would be hearing right now if I could figure out how to transmit sound thru brainwaves via the Acela Express:

"Babies"
"Countdown"
"Set the Controls for the Heart of the Pelvis"
"Ansaphone"
"Pink Glove"
"Do You Remember The First Time?"

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Jarvis is my hero.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew there was a reason I liked you.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually now that I think about it it was about Pulp that Larcole and I first had a 'you don't listen to the lyrics, do you?' moment. I think.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, the build of "Common People" is the greatest song build of all time. It starts out fairly midtempo and it's flirty--"I'll see what I can do" wink wink. It just goes on and on though, getting faster and faster like the most coked out new wave band you could find, and the faster it gets, the more pissed off Jarvis sounds until he's just spitting the words in the last verse, the sound of "common" is the same way someone would say "fuck you" and it's just like having an orgasm in a way, except really pissed off.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, seriously, how can you ignore Pulp lyrics? "If fashion is your trade, then when you're naked I guess you must be unemployed".

Whenever I read one of Gareth's really fucked up threads, the soundtrack in my head is "Sorted for E's & Wizz" incidentally.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, I think you're right! I haven't thought about that in ages.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, Pulp is one of the few bands whose lyrics I generally take the trouble to learn/pay attention to. But Larcole quoted some song off Different Class that didn't ring a bell, I forget which, and when I expressed ignorance she said "You used to run their mailing list!" Reminds me of the time fellow Pulp fiend Lola was explaining about the whole thematic drive of This is Hardcore and I was honestly surprised (much to her own surprise).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yes, and I prefer Ally's description of "Common People" above to anything else attempted on the song kthxbye.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I have this video of Pulp on 'Later with Jools Holland' which was sort of co-hosted that night by Luther Vandross. So Pulp play the most venomous amazing song ever, "I Spy" and Jarvis does the full on I'm going to destroy the upper classes by sleeping with all their wives schtick. When the song finishes, cut to Jools Holland clapping and smiling and Luther Vandross absolutely terrified.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

That would have been classic to see.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Unquestionably. Screen capture, Mr. Chow, we demand it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"I Spy" is one of the best songs of all time. I sound so hyperbolic on this thread but every single time I declare an all time favorite Pulp song, immediately someone brings up another one that is just as/nearly as good as the one I mentioned and it's sickening.

I think Pulp are actually my favorite band; the Manics certainly did everything in their power to piss me off anyway.

Yeah, "I Spy" is brill. "Grass is somethin' you smoke...birds are somethin' you shag..."

There's not enough love for "F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E." on this thread. That is like the hottest song of all time.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the live version and how he ever so carefully spells out the title.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

The audible inhale on the cigarette is like the proper touch, it's like wow, Jarvis is in my bed RIGHT NOW!!!!!

Wow "Something Changed" is really good too. "This is the thread where Ally reports on every song on the Greatest Hits as if she's never heard them 10 million times before"

Seriously though. These lyrics are really pleasing me right now (for obv. reasons I should think).

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

:-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

What is with the cuff he's wearing in that TIH photo, it looks like he tore it off a halloween costume space suit or something.

"F.C.L." was the song I didn't like that has grown on me the most since; "Bad Cover Version" was the song I lovedlovedloved at first that has faded for me the most since.

I have 3 CDRs of all the b-sides and probably listen to them more than the regular albums. The b-sides from His n Hers are better than most of the non-single album tracks.

Ally & Spencer you are so my favorite people today.

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm so feeling "The Trees" today.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The I-Monster remix of The Trees is awesome! It sounds like "Neon Lights"!

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned is so cute!

What is with the cuff he's wearing in that TIH photo, it looks like he tore it off a halloween costume space suit or something.

That actually makes me like that outfit a lot more, it's not so bad now...

The b-sides are brilliant. "Seconds", "His 'n' Hers" and "Ansaphone" are all songs I rate v. v. highly: "Ansaphone" is a much better song than its a-side, "Disco 2000" (which is a fantastic song!!)

I'm feeling "Help The Aged" but that's cos it's on right now. "The Trees" is good--I haven't listened to the last album enough to be honest, "Bad Cover Version" really sticks out to me though as my favorite on it.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm in with the I Spy love. But I'm also all about My Legendary Girlfriend.

Ally, I started going to see Pulp in 91/92 and Jarvis has ALWAYS had those glasses. He hasn't changed.

Althought it does bug me, Pulp and stylists. Steve is PIHB with K@tie Grand and of course J is married to Camille, who is something grand for Marc Jacobs.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm aware that Jarvis has always had those glasses! He only lost them during His 'n' Hers/Different Class era Pulp...it's the rest of it that is alarming as fuck! I mean the glasses are hideous but jesus, man, take a shower!

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

"Ansaphone" is a great song with tossed off meh lyrics. There's nothing very clever or perverse about it.

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally is so, so OTM regarding "Ansaphone". "P.T.A" is an awesome b-side too, it always reminds me of internet saddoes. I'd better stop gushing before this spins out of control...

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

... or even wistful, which it's going for, and which Disco2000 does muchmuch fantastically.

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post)

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not meant to be clever or perverse. It's one of the saddest songs I've ever heard.

Haha I forgot that "Help The Aged" is pretty much entirely about how Jarvis thinks people should shag older dudes.

Oh no, I have to sit and stare blankly in rapture now, "This is Hardcore" just came on...this is haaaaaardcore, there is no way back for you, yeah this is haaaaardcore--this is me on top of you.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

this is now the official Pulp/Jarvis gush thread!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned is so cute!

Aw.

Yeah, I was about to talk about the B-sides as well. Goddamn that's a great CDR I have of the one from 1994 to 1998 or so...

I haven't listened to the last album enough to be honest

Same here. Wait, I did finally get the proper version of it too on CD. Marcello's take on it back in 2001 is still devestatingly great.

"P.T.A" is an awesome b-side too, it always reminds me of internet saddoes.

No wonder it speaks to me! Oh wait.

this is now the official Pulp/Jarvis gush thread!

It removes the stain of the current day version.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't think of a better band in the entire universe right now. I apologize profusely to Jarvis for making fun of his crazy old homeless man style, I still love you him.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I have this habit of typing words I hear being said in my office, which results in sentences like "I love you, him"

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

He has learned the right to look like a drunkass hobo or a Hot Topic checkout boy.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"Wickermann" is incredible. I made a CDR for a friend that had all the longer, creepier, Jarvis-does-a-monologue-over-the-bridge songs on it:

My Legendary Girlfriend
Sheffield: Sex City (!)
Deep Fried In Kelvin
His n Hers
David's Last Summer (!!)
I Spy
F.C.L.
Seductive Barry
Wickermann

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I figured it was a mystic message to the Jarvis Avatar.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the British posters are secretly laughing at us.

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck 'em.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably, but let them! I don't care, Pulp are still the best-est.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The British posters are all just pissed cos Gareth has become American. Don't mind them.

"Party Hard" is a fantastic song too. I really enjoy the artwork all over This is Hardcore, as well.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"The Day Before The Revolution" - is it their worst post-Separations song?

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

"Ladies Man"! It so should've been on the album.

I'm competing with Ally for geeked-outness now.

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"Cocaine Socialism" -- yeah, it was just "Glory Days" redux, but THAT'S a song.

"Ladies Man" is indeed mighty fine.

"Party Hard," I admit, never really worked for me. Scott Walker vocals were great but the music, sorta tedious...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

"The Professional" should've been on the album as well. I'm only tryin' to give ya what you've come to expect: just another song about single mothers and sex single mothers and sex single mothers and sex just another song about single mothers and sex.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I do not own one Pulp album.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Scott Walker vocals were great but the music, sorta tedious...

?????????????????

I don't hear that at all -- the vocals are more Bowie than anything else?

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Instead you own five, Kingfish.

See, Larcole, I thought Bowie too when I heard it. But then I ran across an interview with Jarvis in late 1998 where he was expressing his frustration that everyone kept saying Bowie when he was aiming for Scott Walker, and since then I tend to hear the song with that in mind.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

"Nite Flights" style, if you like. Which of course Bowie has done as well. IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Kingfish, you need to get some Pulp in yr life! Hell I'll send you a mix CD, that is how much I love the Jarv and think everyone should love the Jarv.

The vocals are definitely more Bowie than Scott Walker? That's kind of an odd comparison--the music itself definitely feels glamstomp Bowie to me.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, that would be like me trying to look like Catherine Denueve but ending up looking like Tori Spelling. Just because the intent is there doesn't mean it is evident in the result.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Or trying to look like Catherine Denueve and ending up looking like a "sexy referee".

Yeah, "Bad Cover Version" is the best song on We Love Life but "Minnie Timperly" is really good too, the coda on that song is almost as good as the coda on "Stand & Deliver".

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"Party Hard"'s music always felt for me more intentionally cold eighties corp rock, which I thought was sorta the point for that particular song. Like it was a parody of partying hard when it couldn't be done anymore.

There IS always the difference between intent and result, no question. But these days I keep hearing Bowie back through the Walker filter too in croon mode, so really all three are on a continuum where everything slides together...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Do they have a new recording contract yet?

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Pulp (musically) as glamstomp Bowie = "We Are the Boys," obv.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, yes, it's definitely a down view on partying hard, unlike Andrew WK's take on the same subject. It's kind of a sad song, "When the party's over / will you come home to me?"

OH MY GOD "We Are The Boyz"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Proof positive there's something about Velvet Goldmine Ally loves!

I was thinking Andrew WK as well for the obvious reasons. Hm, which song actually annoys me more?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally, I want a Pulp mix cd. I've only ever heard "This is Hardcore" and I liked that.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Ugh, Velvet Goldmine. That song is incredible though.

Nick, send me yr info and ye shall receiveth.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally is most kind for NA! Post the tracklisting when you do that, I'd be interested to see what you finally decided on.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Definites:

"Common People"
"I Spy"
"She's a Lady"
"Pink Glove"
"The Professional"
"Bad Cover Version"
either/both "Countdown" or/and "My Legendary Girlfriend"
maybe "A Little Soul"?
"Party Hard"
"Ansaphone"

probably also "Lipgloss" but I'd have to think about it and 100% for certain "Set The Controls..." is the bonus track.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh my god and he needs "We Are The Boyz"

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

AND "Senorita" by JT!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

That really wouldn't work on this mix, Dan.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Put it between "This Is Hardcore" and "Ansaphone"!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally you might be taking for granted the revelatory ecstatic goodness of "Babies" and "Razzmatazz" to someone who (I think) hasn't heard them before.

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, Pulp are a pretty filthy band, Dan, I'm surprised you don't like them more. I mean, "Underwear"? It's like a pile of things that you'd post on ILX, all strung into a song.

Chester, I don't know why I left off those two songs, obv. I am not thinking very clearly at all because those are two of the best ones Pulp has.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm listening to "Disco 2000" right now and it's okay. I like the transition into the chorus a lot.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is starting to make me wish I liked Pulp, mostly because of the invocation of Bowie.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Sheffield Sex City...been there ;-).

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan I'm listening to "Disco 2000" as well!!! OMG!

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

The stereo image call-and-response on S:SC totally makes the song.

Where are you?

Over here.

Where are you?

Over here...

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I've moved onto a Dizzy Rascal remix of as song that appears to be called "Creeper & Eskimo" by Roll Deep Crew, so goodbye indie-pop, HELLO INDUSTRO-GARAGE!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The key to "Disco 2000", besides the obvious fact that it's basically just "Gloria" by Laura Branigan with different lyrics, is the ending.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The OTM gush thread. All my favorite songs. Nothing to add. He is amazing.

I understand he wants to make films now or was that just talk?

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

He directed at least one Aphex Twin video, and there was that "First Time" documentary where he haranged "famous" people about their losing-their-virginity stories.

"Famous" in quotes cos it was all people like Justine Frischmann.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The smut talk at the beginning of Sheffield: Sex City is what I wish more of the smut talk on ILX was like: "have you ever heard other people fucking, really enjoying themselves... it's not like in the movies" rather than whichever pristine starlet you want to shag zzzz.

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

*cue (fill in the blank male poster) with "I'd totally do Candida Doyle up the butt!"*

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I've moved onto a Dizzy Rascal remix of as song that appears to be called "Creeper & Eskimo" by Roll Deep Crew, so goodbye indie-pop, HELLO INDUSTRO-GARAGE!

(I was listening to Dizzy yesterday and kept thinking cEvin Key & Dwayne Goettel.)

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The smut talk at the beginning of Sheffield: Sex City is what I wish more of the smut talk on ILX was like: "have you ever heard other people fucking, really enjoying themselves... it's not like in the movies" rather than whichever pristine starlet you want to shag zzzz.

Yeah, that's the thing...if it were interesting like that I wouldn't mind it.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, the buzz of the clippers at the end there make that pretty darned interesting IMO.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Nah, it's still just barbershop talk.

― chester (synkro), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

"You look like me, but please don't turn out like me. You look like me but you're not like me, I hope..."

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Mmmmm, Intake....

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Listening to Disco 2K now, thank you for reminding me...

― ModJ, Friday, 8 August 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Disco 2K into Jesus and Mary Chain, no less...

― ModJ, Friday, 8 August 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.karllang.co.uk/Image23.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

It's like what if you morphed Ben Affleck and Jarvis.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally, some of us Brits share that favourite band with you. I feel in love with Pulp years ago, and most of Different Class and His & Hers and half of Pulpintro would be in my top 100 tunes of all time. I'm glad you have Pink Glove on your favourites list, as I think that's the most underrated one.

Also, I used to have the bit where he sings "There's never no one home, never no one home - leave your message on the ansaphone" as my answerphone message.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"Pink Glove" is horribly, horribly underrated--I think it's a much better song than "Do You Remember The First Time?" which is a bit too cloying winkwinknudgenudge for me sometimes. The part where he just kind of spits out, semi-disgusted, "Where yr pink glove, babe, he put it on the wrong way" is classic beyond classic.

Martin if I heard that voice mail I would've been mad for it! I know exactly what I would've said to it! "Hello, it's me. I'm just trying to call to say....I don't care what you get up to...I just want you to stay in touch.....that's all...." Then you'd be like, ok, who the fuck was that?

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

In practice, my friends recognised that they must have the right number and my mother hung up in confusion = it was perfect.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 8 August 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Jarvis is spinning at Spring ST. on September 9.

I will be there with a huge boner.

― Carey (Carey), Friday, 8 August 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

!!!!! Me too me too me too!

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

So will Mandy!!!!!

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0281358/Kit_3.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

The key to "Disco 2000", besides the obvious fact that it's basically just "Gloria" by Laura Branigan with different lyrics, is the ending.


Download "gloria" by Umberto Tozzi. He wrote it in 1979. Speaking of creative petty thefts, anyone noticed the intro of "the fear" comes from the song "pink deluxe" by chokebore (1995)?

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Friday, 8 August 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, I thought it came from the Dune theme by TOTO! - no kidding!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha! Ally doesn't need to download "Gloria" 'cuase I put it on her birthday mix!

I wore my We Love Life Pulp shirt today before I even saw this thread!

― rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 8 August 2003 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I think we should have a Jarvis girly night FAP, sept. 9.

― Carey (Carey), Friday, 8 August 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you heard the bad Nick Cave cover of "Disco 2000"? (From the Bad Cover Version ep.) It's the smallest quietest mildest joke ever.

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Friday, 8 August 2003 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Good idea, Carey.

― rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 8 August 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm so happy about this thread.

Ned, if you were to make me a copy of your B-sides CD-R, I would do something wonderful.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 8 August 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The mind reels.

(Drop me an e-mail -- I will note that Chester seems to have done me one better with a 3 CDR set, tho!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I wrote a bunch of stuff but deleted it. I can say, however, that I'm about to listen to TIH.

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 8 August 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the idea that "Wtf" is prestigous addition to a name, like "Esq."

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"what-the-fucker"

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 8 August 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Ironic that Jarvis (early carnation) sang all about shagging and women as sex objects... but is loved by otherwise conservative ILM! Great stuff!

Personally I think he's great. Honourable lefty politics of songs such as "I Spy" and "Common People" kinda weird in the shadow of whom he married, private hospitals and BT commercials... but no one, save for Morrissey, is perfect and so he'll just have to take stand number 2 in the Greatest Artists of All Time line up.

I picked up the Greatest Hits package for £3 in Coda by the way. It was there with Sci Fi Lullabies by Suede (also £3 which for disc 1 and "The Living Dead" alone is the bargain of the year surely). The new song "Last Day of the Miner's Strike" is as good as you'd expect. If you check out any of their old songs be sure and keep an ear out for "I Want You", "Dogs are Everywhere" and "My Lighthouse". All fab.

― Calz (Calz), Friday, 8 August 2003 23:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh lord I just got to work but just last night I was putting the finishing touches on finally just really getting into the whole Freaks album, a project I took on after realizing one lyric from "No Emotion" is if not my favorite Pulp lyric ever just swoopingly sums up why I love them so much: "No I don't believe in voices ... 'cos I hear them all the time... scraping tears from hardened faces... with their stuuuuupid open rhymes..."

I mean jesus yes those fucking annoying open rhymes, I mean why won't the bastards in my skull shut up or at least develop rudimentary taste so I can sleep for fuck's sake...

And speaking of the verb "to fuck," I believe I need to round up Ally, an unmarked car, a portable shower, a carton of condoms, a roll of Saran Wrap, some contact solution, silk sheets, and my old kidnappin' boots. I'm sure his wife would understand why we'd done it, even if the police didn't.

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Saturday, 9 August 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

you are the last drink I never should have drunk,
you are the body hidden, in the trunk...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 9 August 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, I'll just finish it it's so good:

You are the habit I can't seem to kick.
You are my secrets on the front page every week.
You are the car I never should have bought.
You are the train I never should have caught.
You are the cut that makes me hide my face.
You are the party that makes me feel my age.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 9 August 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

You know, rereading my post, I think maybe he's dressing that way b/c fed up with kidnapping/rape threats?

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Saturday, 9 August 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2003250963,00.jpg

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 9 August 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The giant Darth Maul's gonna eat Epcot Center!

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 9 August 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Still in shock.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 9 August 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

buh... uh... er, start licking now, Ally, that's a lot of paint...

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Saturday, 9 August 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i love every jarvis there is.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Saturday, 9 August 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

even me?

― Kevin Jarvis, Padre (James Blount), Saturday, 9 August 2003 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I actually really liked the space cuffs photo... the death mask face could be neat if it hadn't been painted on by an 8-year-old... the Knight Rider fucking animals thread just gave me a fresh appreciation for the raw materials here...

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Saturday, 9 August 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Spencer, it's weird, I actually came online to post those lyrics.

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 9 August 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

"This is the sound of someone losing the plot. Making out that they're ok when they're not."

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 9 August 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh man, there were 5 posts on this thread when I saw it this morning, and now look. I LOVE YOU ILX PEOPLE. and I love Pulp. and I love chip-eatin' Jarvis. I even love lounge sleazebag Jarvis. Love, love, love. Feel it. Baby.

― Poppy (poppy), Saturday, 9 August 2003 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

LURVE LOVE LOVE!!!!

Now I'm almost glad I left my house.

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Saturday, 9 August 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Like a car crash I can see but I just can't avoid, like a train I been told I never should board, like a film that's so bad but I gotta stay to the end--let me tell you now, it's lucky for you that we're friends.

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 9 August 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

It may seem strange...to talk of love and lighthouses...it's not STRAAAAAAAAAAANGE to me...yeah yeah yeah yeah!

"Like a Friend" is definitely spiff too.

*awaits Ally rant on the fine FINE word 'spiff,' dang it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 August 2003 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

SYNOPSIS
A LIGHT TROPICAL SOUTHERLY FLOW WITH A BROAD
AREA OF UNSETTLED WEATHER WILL REMAIN OVER THE AREA INTO
EARLY NEXT WEEK.

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Saturday, 9 August 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

"You're going to like it ... but not a lot ..."

(and modest too!)

― jackson anderville, Saturday, 9 August 2003 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.sobs.org/fiction/slotc/images/3_02.jpg

Why Brian Nemtusak/Gothy loves Jarvis and his glasses

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Saturday, 9 August 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Jarvis Cocker is a reptile..?

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Saturday, 9 August 2003 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

nice thread. but i'd have to agree with some recent posts and say i'd take jarvis just about any way there is. i mean any way he is. i mean, well... everything that comes out of his mouth is brilliant and sexy. everything, i'm sure.

i had the amazing experience of going to see pulp's last show at auto. i never saw them live so had to fly to england and train to sheffield. my buddy said the look on my face when he came out was such intense joy. i doubt even the men in my life have seen my face like that. AND WHEN HE DID THIS IS HARDCORE. FUCKFUCKGGGGGGRRRRRRREEEE !!!!!!!!!!
sorry, can't articulate.

the real crime is what is happening to bobby gillespie. he ain't up to the lifestyle/fashion mag photoshoots anymore. it's so sad. :.(

anyway, i think that look you're describing is very robert evans:
http://www.insidereel.com/images/kidstays1.jpg

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Saturday, 9 August 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Me want 7 too. Me miss 7. I voted 5-6. FH is not thick and he is only 5" It bothers me. Sometimes to the point where the thought of having sex does not even arouse me. With my EX? He would drop his pants and I would be ready to go. He would not even have to speak and i would be ready and willing to accept..... If you know what I mean......
No touching, no foreplay, NOTHING. I would be ready So yes I must agree that size, at least to me, does matter. FH is OK, he gets the job done. Ijust don't yearn for him sexually like I have with my Ex in the past. Well, FH it better be ok, if that is all I'm going to get for the rest of my life. I just wish he was 2-3 inches bigger. I feel a little jelouse of those ladies with great sex lives. I want one too. I really miss a nice, thick, hard........

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Saturday, 9 August 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Wah, Lolita saw Pulp recently and I have not. :-( But at least I've seen them twice, better than some.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 August 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

though i must say i'm quite partial to this jarvis:
http://www.grampaslap.com/images/shag/jarvis1.JPG

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Saturday, 9 August 2003 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Wowee wowee wow wow. TOO MUCH THE SEXY!!!

Haha, I hope when Nick said he wanted a mix CD, he meant "I want a 4 CD anthology".

TS: The Great Expectations version of "Like a Friend" vs the album version. I remember getting into a massive row on a.m.a about this--I vastly prefer the Great Expectations version, which ditches the midsong build for explosion and then has a completely different ending.

Also, get in Mike Hanle y.

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 9 August 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm really at sea re this last hanle y post -- it's like a dyslexic samoyed translated something from romanian into english

― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 9 August 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually Jarv kind of looks like Adam Ant in that picture.

Does NO ONE ELSE want to talk about "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Pelvis"? That song is like god of all songs ever. It has:

1) Space astronaut countdown
2) Sped up 70s/Barbarella soft porn funk groove
3) Gospel choir singing dirty things
4) Marimbas
5) It actually contains the line "Save me from my own hand" as a come on.
6) Lengthy comedic orgasm

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 9 August 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

sounds like a roger waters song from hell, or if roger waters was actually cool

― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 9 August 2003 05:36 (twenty-two years ago)

It's even better than that would indicate!!!

Seriously--if that song comes on my discman while I'm walking down the street, I start walking different. I end up walking that ridiculous strut that Beyonce does in the "Crazy in Love" video, totally not on purpose either. That's what that song makes you do. It's crazy.

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 9 August 2003 05:40 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a grand song, all should love it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 August 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Set the controls for the heart of the pelvis. Haven't you heard? My name rhymes with Elvvvvvvvvis...and the one thing I know is this, it's that your mouth is telling me to give you...a

big...


kissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 9 August 2003 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I enter a room and all the girls say, "C'mon Jarv, can I be the first? Oh you make us so hot, we feel we're gonna BURST!"

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 9 August 2003 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all about that gospel choir STARTING the song on the perv note -- and then it gets better when he joins in!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 August 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah! The first minute of the song is incredible, and Jarvis is nowhere to be found. When he suddenly comes in it's like, "Oh my god, this is getting BETTER? How? Why? Can I even handle this much greatness in one dose?"

He sounds like such a dirty freak on the song too.

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 9 August 2003 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)

ack! how come i don't know this song? can i get it, uh, somehow? ((smile))

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Saturday, 9 August 2003 07:19 (twenty-two years ago)

It's on Barry Adamson's 1996 album Oedipus Schmoedipus. Billy Mackenzie guests on another highlight track, and there is Nick Cave on another.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 9 August 2003 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoa Lolita, I was at Auto as well along with Ed and was laughing my ass off at Fashion London getting to grips with...Rotherham.

I think I've seen every London show Pulp have done since 1992. They had a gig every Chrismas season in progressively larger venues and for their sins brought us Menswear. Media Britpop may well have happened because Pulp and their mates all went to Smashing. And the Reading where they played Common People for the very first time was magic, everyone there knew every word to the song by the end of it and had to wait a year to actually buy the thing. I loved the feeling of ascendancy that song generated in people.

Have you heard Relaxed Muscle? Sounds like someone's been listening to Suicide a bit.

― suzy (suzy), Saturday, 9 August 2003 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The skeleton pic is absolutely hilarious.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 9 August 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Goddamn it, why is there a Pulp thread and I'm not informed?

Not much left to say, maybe:

Ally OTM shocker on Pink Glove. That line is everyone who's ever KNOWN that their ex's new flame doesn't understand them properly, finding out that it makes no difference.

The small notes on the album sleeves "NB: please do not read the lyrics while listening to the recordings" is both the tweeist thing ever and the most beautiful artistic statement.

Do they have a new recording contract yet?

The last I heard, they are no more. The Pulp mailing list is shut down, the end.

Their live show in support of We Love Life was incredible. I saw them at Homelands 2001 while hanging around with a girl I liked, and once again that December after it went away. Both times they were incredible. F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L!O!V!E! the second time was a perfect capstone. And the live version of Sunrise is incredible.

Their disco/dance love extends below the surface: I can't think of any other pop group who do builds as well (granted I can't think of any other pop group at the moment). Common People in particular, the second just after "she just smiled and took my hand" is maybe my favourite in the history of popular music, and the song just keeps getting better.

There's a bit about it here:

http://afarrell.pitas.com/02_01_2003.html

Was anyone here actually at their Glastonbury gig in 95?

No mention yet of O.U. off Pulpintro, probably one of my favourites.

It's sort of funny that there are clearly as many different best-ofs as there are Pulp fans, but no-one is really standing up for any of the pre-Intro stuff apart from My Legendary Girlfriend and Countdown.

What's Jarvis' guest vocal on that Lush song like?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 9 August 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, OU is fantastic. Ciao (the one with Lush) isn't among my favourites.

I wasn't at Glasto in '95 but was watching on TV and listening to it live on R1 (with a C90 running, of course - one of ten recordings I have of Pulp live). The expression on Jarvis's face when he grasped how people felt about Common People was extraordinary. It's my favourite record ever, I think. It's the first time I've known during one year what my favourite single of the following year would be - they played a session on Peel's show in 1994 and played this and Underwear and Pencil Skirt, and the first time I heard it I knew there wasn't likely to be a better record the following year.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 9 August 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Ciao! is ok but it's not great. It's certainly not bad, and it's kind of funny but...I dunno, Miki Berenyi sounds about 4 years old on it and it's kind of a bit like the rest of the Lovelife album, ie a bit second tier britpop.

Lolita, email me re: "Set the Controls..."

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 9 August 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

for their sins brought us Menswear

A blessing, surely?

It's the first time I've known during one year what my favourite single of the following year would be - they played a session on Peel's show in 1994 and played this and Underwear and Pencil Skirt, and the first time I heard it I knew there wasn't likely to be a better record the following year.

I've said this before, but it's worth saying again -- first saw Pulp in 1994 when they supported Blur on the Parklife tour in the States. Near the end of the (very spiff) set Jarvis said, "Well, we've just written this new song, about the second or third time we've played it, it's called 'Common People.'" The place was exploding at the end of it and I thought, "Damn, now THAT's a great song, can't wait to hear the recorded version." And my dream came true.

The live Reading 1995 version is perhaps the greatest moment of audience/band synergy ever. Not to mention the 'take it DOWN'/slow rebuild conclusion, my heavens.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 August 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The session performance predates their first playing it live, I'm pretty sure. I have a live version from 1994 too, in Birmingham (the UK one).

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

No mention yet of O.U. off Pulpintro, probably one of my favourites.

Mine too!

― rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i know this is redundant gushing, but hearing 'common people' live with a huge english audience (as opposed to a small american brit-pop crowd) is just beyond words and one of the best musical moments in my life. that's a fucking perfect pop song. and he knows how to take it from smart pop to powerful populism.

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Saturday, 9 August 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

This is a happy thread

― Alex in Rotherham (Alex in Doncaster), Saturday, 9 August 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh God, if anyone could send me a copy of one of these b-side CDRs, I'd die, and I could trade up with a more or less comprehensive Blur b-sides cd.. i also have a disc with almost all of Modest Mouse's stuff but it's not very complete

― Alexis (Alexis), Saturday, 9 August 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

...And Ally! I've never heard Set The Controls, and I've heard most Pulp songs at one point or another, so that's strange. Where's it from?

― Alexis (Alexis), Saturday, 9 August 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

It's on Barry Adamson's 1996 album Oedipus Schmoedipus, as I said earlier.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 9 August 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"Set the controls for the heart of the pelvis...haven't you heard? My name rhymes with Elvis."

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 9 August 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

It's sort of funny that there are clearly as many different best-ofs as there are Pulp fans, but no-one is really standing up for any of the pre-Intro stuff apart from My Legendary Girlfriend and Countdown.

I still have a lot of love for the mid-'80s b-sides--"Blue Glow" especially, but also "Goodnight", "Simultaneous", "Manon" etc. In fact, I like them more than 7/9 of the songs on Separations.

― kieran, Saturday, 9 August 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Right on thanks Ally, and sorry Martin - I thought I'd read every post but Opera kinda jumps when I scroll so sometimes I miss some :P

I really want to find a copy of "Maureen" again. I remember there was a site where someone who had been in the original Arabacus Pulp lineup posted their demo/early recording? I think this was one of the songs. It's so excellent, I have it burned on a random mix CD somewhere but I haven't got the mp3, I miss it.

― Alexis (Alexis), Sunday, 10 August 2003 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

More actual Jarvis-related matter:

Just like no-one should be able to get away with the sleeve notes request, no-one should look that cool dancing like that.

He also directed the video to The Polyphonic Spree's "Hanging around the day", which is great.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 10 August 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Was anyone here actually at their Glastonbury gig in 95?

Me! I was! They were ace. It was the first outing for Sorted for Es and Wizz (he claimed to have written it that day or something) and it totally made sense in context. I was initially gutted that the Stone Roses had pulled out (John Squire fell off his bike and hurt his arm, poor love), but Pulp more than made up for it.

Did you know that Russell Senior carries loads of pairs of sunglasses aroung with him in a separate suitcase from all his other stuff?

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 10 August 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

ally needs a medal for posting that song! or at least a kisssssssssss

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Sunday, 10 August 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm jumping out a window now... have never seen them live... no NO NO NO NON NONONONO... was in the el under the Chicago river today when the lines "below other people's ordinary lives... and surface..." came on the CD player and started crying... Heaven Rock!!! I happened to be sporting my own alcoholic-old-lady Sunday-morning costume... oh god I will never hear any of this live augh augh augh now I'll have to do even more of that walking down the street singing along like a smelly maniac crap, like I'm not paranoid enough about getting stared at...

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Sunday, 10 August 2003 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't that song awesome?

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 10 August 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I might as well post it here -- I'm making a copy of my initial Pulp B-side CDR for Slutsky and figured I might as well throw together another one as well from all the other random songs and mixes I've got around...and I'm also interested in some more stuff, but more on that in a second. Chester must have the definitive self-made comp at three discs, but this is what I've got (not counting all the B-sides and things on Masters of the Universe and PulpIntro because, well, they're there already):

Deep Fried in Kelvin
You're a Nightmare
Street Lites
The Babysitter
Your Sister's Clothes
Seconds
His 'N' Hers
P.T.A.
Ansaphone
Tomorrow Never Lies
Laughing Boy
Ladies' Man
The Professional
Cocaine Socialism
That Boy's Evil

Razzmatazz (acoustic)
Dogs Are Everywhere (acoustic)
Joyriders (acoustic)
Common People (live Glastonbury 95)
Disco 2000 (7" mix)
Live Bed Show (extended)
Mile End
F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E. (Moloko remix)
F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E. (Live at Brixton Academy)
Set the Controls For the Heart of the Pelvis (Jarvis/Barry Adamson)
Ciao! (Jarvis/Lush)
This is Hardcore (End of the Line remix)
A Little Soul (alternate mix)
A Little Soul (Lafayette Velvet remix)
We Are the Boyz
Drive Safely Darlin' (Jarvis/The All-Seeing I)

Now what I'm after is a CDR of all the various We Love Life B-sides and mixes plus the random things I still don't have yet ("Whiskey in the Jar," "My Body May Die," "Night of the Miners' Strike"), and besides the above I can also trade a pretty good bootleg CD of the full Glastonbury 95 performance so...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 August 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, and listening to "Ansaphone" again reminds me, why do so many other bands even try? Just go die or something.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 August 2003 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

And about eighties Pulp and all that -- I remember being very taken by the evil coldness of Freaks and the associated B-sides, "Master of the Universe" in particular. Really like "They Suffocate at Night" and "Dogs Are Everywhere" too.

I still hold a torch for It above all -- it's completely and utterly a different band, Jarvis this total swooning romantic most of the time, and the whole album is dreamily pretty. Bless his heart.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 August 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't that song awesome?
-- Ally (mlescau...), August 10th, 2003.

[re:Wickerman]

ABSOFUCKINLOOTLY! I didn't quite get it when I first got that album because I was too busy waiting, drooling, for the amazing suite of songs it sets up(I Love Life through Bad Cover version [god, that one, what a way to tell the world you're still a rock star, beats California Girls around the block]... wasn't till I really registered the lyrics that I realized it's not just a set-up, it's a fucking announcement of HERE WE GO LADIES, I AM TAKING YOU DOWN... AND HERE WE ARE PARTWAY DOWN... AND NOW I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU TO THE FUCKING BOTTOM AND IF YOU THINK THAT'S THE MOST AMAZING TRICK IN THE UNIVERSE THEN HOLD YOUR BREATH, CUZ THE NEXT FEW SONGS ARE GOING TO

SLOWLY

DREDGE YOU UP

oh shit, I have to masturbate again... Ally, please please PLEAAAAAAZE can we kidnap him? I promise I'll tell the cops I forced you. That is, if we get caught. I'm pretty sneaky.

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Sunday, 10 August 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, if you don't mind waiting a bit, I can make a CD with "Whiskey in a Jar" (and, um, some Paul Lynde bon mots.)

― rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 10 August 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

oh shit, I have to masturbate again...

More of us should be so honest.

Z, rah! I will happily take you up on that offer.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 August 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Their version of "Whiskey in the Jar" came on the other night and it made me laugh quite a lot. "Captain Farrell".

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 11 August 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, no need to worry, Rosemary, Alexis just shot me an mp3 of it -- and it is wonderfully louche, Ally is right (again!).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 August 2003 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

well, I'm still making you a cd with some Paul Lynde!

― rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 11 August 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 August 2003 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I have found the elusive Maureen mp3, but I know ILE is a bandwidth hogger and I simply don't have the bandwidth on my site to put up an mp3 for everyone here to download. :( Anyone who wants it can email me, though. (the spam email is a real address, I just use it as a filter. my real address is simply a@m.....s-dicks.com)

― Alexis (Alexis), Monday, 11 August 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

How great Maureen is: it starts off with Jarvo saying "This is the first song we ever wrote. Maureen, it's called. It's a rocker." ..it doesn't sound live though, I think it's just a goofy demo take or something.

― Alexis (Alexis), Monday, 11 August 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

yep i was at the glasto 95 gig. it was a-mazin obv, but
even the band agreed their v96 gig was way better and it truly
was fantastic. all the geetarists from that days' support bands came on (supergrass bloke, stereolab person, numan geetar man etc.) for
'common people' at the end, and they played 'help the aged' for the 1st time ever.

best b side is definitely 'pta'. 'tomorrow never dies' is
a chance missed i thought. 'cocaine socialism' pretty good too.

the 'a capella' babies video is still my fave pop vid of all time
i think. they've still got it too as 'road kill' is one of their
very best songs. it's about missy s isn't it ?

― piscesboy, Monday, 11 August 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

wasnt at glastonbury 95, but the v96 gig at warrington was fantastic

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 11 August 2003 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i have to say i just listened to 'set the controls' on headphones and my feet went numb (blood flow problems apparently). then beachwood sparks came on itunes and it felt like the worst cold shower i ever had.

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

what happened when BRMC came on? Did you suddenly void yourself? Did any of your coworkers notice?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

ack! word travels fast!
i have a very sensitive constitution.

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

A couple of days before this thread begins I was flaning in an empty street at nite singing "this is hardcore" just as I wanted but at the part where I went "I want it baaaaaad" a westmount bourgeois's wife caught my attention by surprise, I was slightly embarrased ! The bushes were blocking her from my sight as I was walking past her home , she was sitting on her cement doorsteps smoking a cigarette, smirk or I smile I didn't even wanted to know; I didn't want to stop singing but that was not where I was in mind. So funny boy that I am continuing walking faster I drop da volume a couple of notch was like : i want it naaaaaawwthen a couple of foots later, on queue, I could continue as I wanted :"oh can't you seeee" etc

This thread made me revisit pulp more carefully, as I do every couple of months I guess, and lo! I discoverd a nu pulp song to me: "your sister's clothes"! Oh fuck. After some practice it is obvious that these nu dance moves could turn this poor cultural period into a rich cultural period, aiming at out-terrorizing Jarvis @Ispy,anyone have a video of him singing "your sister's clothes" kuz it helps understand all the nuances seeing his body in action. hey hey
:-)

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

another one I didn't knew about:
His 'n' Hers is one man's fear of domestic interiors set to music. What are you waiting for? (And remember - shove it in sideways).

Was Jarvis supposed to do a movie some time ago?

"Jarvis Cocker to direct movie-01/07/01
Pulp frontman Jarvis Cocker is the latest in a long line of musicians trying their hand at movie directing, About his plans, Jarvis said: "It's at a very early stage of development, but a friend of mine, Harland Miller, wrote a book called 'Slow Down Arthur, Stick To 30', which is about a Bowie impersonator in York in the early 80s.

He sold the rights to DNA who are the people who made 'Trainspotting', and I am trying to pitch to direct that. I would really like to do it, especially since I came down to London to study film. I would love to make a feature film, it's whether they think I'm capable of making it and whether they let me do it the way I want to."

Talking about Pulp's long awaited (some would say overdue) new album, set for a September release, Cocker said it was a more optimistic view of the world than 1998's This is Hardcore: "It had to be a departure because if you went any further down that track then you'd be dead. So the only logical place to turn to after the darkness is the light. Don't worry, I've not become a born-again Christian, it's not all happy clappy stuff." Cocker also claimed the new album was about the "natural world".
" cool, as long as it's not about an uploader drummer girl copy band of ymo (I claim this! right here right now)

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)

zut I forgot that claims means nothing since the offspring are gonna take away "chinese democracy" from axl

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Sébastien? is that really you?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 07:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, way to hide a massive fuck-off Pulp thread on ILE, people.

Was anyone here actually at their Glastonbury gig in 95?

Yes, oh yes, ohhhhh yes. I arrived at that festival not even knowing Pulp were playing, cos I had no idea the Stone Roses had pulled out. Imagine my surprise...

Jarvis wore a tie I (think I) gave him for the performance. Y'know, the pink one, with the black shirt?

Fuck what a show. And then The Cure played as well! The two most important bands of my life, on the same weekend? I wonder what my favourite festival is...

ps. It was a pleasure to experience "This Is Hardcore" in its rightful place on telly last night: soundtracking a BBC2 doco about censorship and porn called "Taboo"!

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Talking about Pulp on ILE>>>>>>>>>>>>talking about Pulp on ILM. I'm going to start all my music threads over here from now on, honestly.

So I was listening to This is Hardcore on the subway last night and I've decided "I'm A Man" is an underrated song; the chorus of it is quite hysterical, but I think the fact it sounded a bit much like 1996 Pulp and not like the rest of the nu-direction hurt it in people's opinions. And "Seductive Barry" isn't as obnoxious as I originally thought it was.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm, why'd yer think that one was obnoxious? I like the way it just slowly settles, if you will...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Because it's really boring and the lyrics are like a parody of Jarvis sex come ons but not even in a funny way. The way he says "Let's...get it on" makes me want to vomit.

This is all for nothing because I was listening to I'm Not Following You for the first time in years last night and oh my god "Seventies Night" is the best song ever. Sorry to mutate the Pulp thread into an Edwin Collins thread but jesus fuck that song is amazing. Have you all heard that? Cos you must.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

It's pretty damn brilliant! Mark E. Smith, Edwyn falsettos and disco. Ergo, perfect! (Especially since Orange Juice just wanted to be Chic as much as the VU.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I know that sounding completely fucked up is par for the course with Mark E. Smith but he somehow sounds even more confused than normal on that song.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

This was probably intentional.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to think it was not, so please play along.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally, I DEMAND that the mix cd be a 4-CD set.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok! I get paid on Friday so I'll do yrs this weekend as well as Dave Q's Mylene Farmer mix. Maybe I'll even throw in "Seventies Night" as a bonus??

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

8 corona made me do it. +
Deleuze says it's not work, that he is simply being alert, on the lookout for something that "passes", something troubling, amusing. [Here Parnet says Deleuze only watches Benny Hill, and Deleuze agrees, saying that there are reasons why Benny Hill interests him.]

What might have been these reasons? Since it's true he didn't have any "back-up knowledge" and an interview he did with Negri during this period, while working on his unfinished "The Greatness of Marx" book, shows he is using some of the same material that was featured in the abécédaire, I think the solution is to be found within this material, maybe this in particular:

(...)being on the left is a problem of becomings, of never ceasing to become minoritarian. That is, the left is never of the majority, and for a very simple reason: the majority is something that assumes that it's not the huge quantity that votes for something, but it assumes a standard <étalon>; in the West, the standard that every majority assumes is: 1) man, 2) adult 3) manly/virile , 4) city dweller... Ezra Pound, Joyce say things> like that, it's a standard. So, the majority by its nature will go for whomever or whatever aggregate at a particular moment will succeed with this standard, that is, the supposed image of the urban, virile, adult male such that a majority, Deleuze insists, is never anyone, it's an empty standard. Simply, a maximum of persons recognize themselves in this empty standard.

So, he continues, women will make their mark either by intervening in this majority, or in the minorities according to groupings in which they are placed according to this standard. Deleuze clarifies this: being a woman is not a given by nature, women have their own becomings-woman; and so, if women have a becoming-woman, men have a becoming-woman as well. Deleuze reminds Parnet of talking earlier about becomings-animal, about children having their own becomings, not being children naturally. Parnet wonders that men cannot become men, and that's tough! Deleuze says, no, that's a majoritarian standard, virile, adult, male... they can become women, and then they enter into minoritarian practices. The Left, Deleuze concludes, is the aggregate of processes of minoritarian becomings. So, says Deleuze, quite literally, the majority is no one, the minority is everyone, and that's what being on the left is: knowing that the minority is everyone and that it's there that phenomena of becomings occur. That's why however great they think are, they still have doubts about the outcome of elections.

Martin Skidmore wrote:

I wasn't at Glasto in '95 but was watching on TV and listening to it live on R1 (with a C90 running, of course - one of ten recordings I have of Pulp live). The expression on Jarvis's face when he grasped how people felt about Common People was extraordinary.

This is the particular moment when Pulp succeed to aggregate this popular standard that is, the supposed image of the urban, virile, adult male. It would be fun to see some of those other Deleuzian concepts at play with the lyrics of Jarvis (leftish resistance, on sexual (non)becomings, minority/majority etc)

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Word on the street is that the Jarvis Girly Night FAP might be foiled by this little thing called "invitation only". Bitches!

― Carey (Carey), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha dude, like me and you couldn't get on the list, c'mon. Have you seen us? Seriously.

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

"Seductive Barry" is Pulp doing a Shriekback slow jam and is all the better for it.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Though

www.preyforrockandroll.com

may be the setting for the greatest Girly Night FAP of all time. This is going to be the best movie ever!

― Carey (Carey), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I claim Drea de Matteo!

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Jarvis should do a duet with Mya.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

That would be awesome, Dan!

― Larcole (Nicole), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

*thinks about the idea of Jarvis ditching Neneh for Mya on 'Seductive Barry' or totally revamping 'Ciao!' with her* Well gol dang. That DOES work.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Does Jarvis really say 'my pretty' on "Wickerman"? He's like the wicked witch of the west!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

"like"?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

You guys have to get on the guess list.

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 14 August 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

New! Richard X + Mazzy Star + Jarvis!
http://homepage.mac.com/phantroll/.cv/phantroll/Public/richardx_intoyou.mp3-link.mp3

from Fluxblog.

This is the best thing ever.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 22 August 2003 09:33 (twenty-two years ago)

This is FANTASTIC!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't it???

― Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh that's right, I got this this morning but didn't have the chance to listen to it. *does so* Hey, sparkly!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, you know what it weirdly reminds me of, some of those songs and arrangements from the first Pulp album, It -- even his singing to a degree. Hm!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw Live Forever last night. I thought Jarvis' despondency was so poignant, what with the whole anti-climax he felt at finally becoming a pop star. [Rubbish film, btw, but it's been done on other threads.]

― Daniel (dancity), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Was it a film? I though it was some low budget documentary.
As someone who pretty much hates all those bands I thought it was pretty good.

Especially liked Noel Gallgher's knowingly OTT belief in self and Jarvis came off quite well too.

― mei (mei), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, do you own this disc? are you planning on buying it?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Was that Storyville on BBC2 - is that the same as Live Forever? It had far too much Louise Wener for my liking, I ended up turning over and watching South Park instead.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

viewing party at ned's!

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, hold on, are you talking about Live Forever or the Pulp comp? I definitely will be getting the latter.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Live Forever, they've got it at Amoeba on PAL for 26.98, just wondering if you were going to get it. I might buy it and do the 75% sell back thing. I've got the Pulp comp if we have a viewing party. Also, the St Etienne!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...
I saw this man today and whew. He makes looking bad look good, but he still looks pretty bad.

― Paul Eater (eater), Sunday, 14 September 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I've listened to "Common People" since the last time this thread was revived..

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 15 September 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul, details please.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 15 September 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, details.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 15 September 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Tep, details please.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 15 September 2003 08:07 (twenty-two years ago)

No no, my details aren't gonna be as good. (Basically, I came away feeling the same way I felt before: agnostic.)

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 15 September 2003 08:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd forgotten how great pulp were until i listened to one of their albums the other day, genius. Anyway, that jarvis.....

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 15 September 2003 08:23 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck jarvis cocker. did anyone manage to get into his DJ gig last week at Spring Street?

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 15 September 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Days of stubble, longish smelly hair, mangy loose sweater, sunken eyes, general impression of looking around for something that he couldn't find. He was with a guy who was pushing a pram.

Tuesday I went to the DJ gig but got impatient and left before he showed up.

― Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 15 September 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I read somehwere that he only washes his hair once a week (hey, him and Jerry Hall!) so maybe that's why it was smelly.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 15 September 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I only wash my hair once a week!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 15 September 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, 'Seductive Barry'. I never enjoyed the album version much until they played it at Glastonbury (erm '98? Can't quite remember which one). There's a moment where the drums start this pounding, pulsating beat that just gives me thrills every time I listen to it.

And Reading 2002 was quite special: Jarvis leaping backwards off the monitors during Common People a particular highlight.

I still don't own enough Pulp stuff. Dammit.

― Bill (bill), Monday, 15 September 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I am now friendsters with 3 Jarvis Cockers!

― Carey (Carey), Monday, 15 September 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I still don't own enough Pulp stuff. Dammit.

We should talk, Bill;> Can't give away any of my Pulp stuff---even my blowup Jarvis doll--not that I would.

Still have my framed Pulp photo to peek at every morning.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 15 September 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40519000/jpg/_40519043_jarvis220.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

jarvis ramone

― jimmy glass (electricsound), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

That's at the Peel memorial service.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

looks like James Burke

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

SPECTOR IS LOOSE

― The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

haha for a brief moment i thought he had knocked up courtney love as well (somehow?)

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

He looks like a goth accountant in that picture.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

http://www.style.com/slideshows/fashionshows/S2005RTW/MJACOBS/BACKSTAGE/00360f.jpg

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

At least they didn't reproduce.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

Dear me, the fear.

Great thread, BTW, just spent a lot of time rereading it. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

I think he looks great!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

I wanna see Jarvis, P. Saville and Spencer in the same room together.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

I still weep whenever I think of the 1994 Pulp gig I had tix to. I made a spechial trip to Denver with my friend Wade, and we sat at the bar across from the venue only to discover that the show was cancelled because Jarvis was sick. I feel my life just hasn't gone right ever since I was denied the opportunity to see Jarvis in the flesh.

I don't care what he looks like, or how old he is, I want him to take me home and give me babies.

― Jacqui Pickles (Jacqui Pickles), Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

10 years from now:

http://www.moviemaker.com/issues/47/images/fc.Ebert.jpg

― amon (eman), Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

You sick fuck.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

Uh, I want to ask if that is Roger Ebert but I have a feeling I'm way wrong.

― Jacqui Pickles (Jacqui Pickles), Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

His hair looks a bit thin at the top. Oh dear.

He has a cameo in the next Harry Potter film as a member of a (very hairy) band, maybe the long hair is for that? Or maybe he has become a fucking hippie.

And yes, that is Roger Ebert. I KNEW Jarvis reminded me of someone.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

if you axe me, the real sick fucks are the ones circle-jerking over pulp upthread ;@)

― amon (eman), Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

I think he's scoring the soundtrack to the Potter film.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

If Jarvis Cocker and I ever met, there would be pugilism.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)

as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever he wants and look as crap as he wants. I'd still make him eggs.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

HE LOOKS LIKE MY ATTORNEY.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Thursday, 25 August 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

WOMEN BE FECUND

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 25 August 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

In that pic with The Winona Ryder Of Good Bands he looks almost exactly like my dad circa 1975.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 25 August 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
Does anyone knows where I can download or at least listen online the song "Ciao!" feat. Lush???

Thanks

― olga fernandez, Monday, 26 December 2005 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

slsk

― piscesboy, Monday, 26 December 2005 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't realize so many girls liked Jarvis Cocker so much.

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 26 December 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

They like Alan Rickman as well

― Ed (dali), Monday, 26 December 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

And don't forget Morrissey.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 26 December 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

That's the only one I don't understand.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 26 December 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ciao!

Lovelife

YouSendIt

― kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

And finally to:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/11/23/jarvis-460x276.jpg

― James Mitchell, Monday, 24 November 2008 09:13 (sixteen years ago)

being the hottest man ever versus being a homeless man from 1976

B-Side wins again every time

― Me and Ruth Lorenzo, Rollin' in the Benzo (Noodle Vague), Monday, 24 November 2008 09:18 (sixteen years ago)

I had a beard when I was 26 (briefly)

Did I look like that?

yep.

― Mark G, Monday, 24 November 2008 09:26 (sixteen years ago)

the beard actually makes him look like he has a week chin whereas we all know his chin is so square it was actually used as a template for beefburger boxes.

― jed_, Monday, 24 November 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago)

He looks like my old pol sci professor now.

― Nicolars (Nicole), Monday, 24 November 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago)

ah, the wilderness years at last!...

― henry s, Monday, 24 November 2008 20:56 (sixteen years ago)

You can relive the glory days at the New Museum

http://daily.greencine.com/peytonjarvis.jpg

― Virginia Plain, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 03:44 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

lol this guy's recording his new solo album with Albini.

― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 18:03 (sixteen years ago)

Maybe they're bonding over the Comsat Angels.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 18:04 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

what is/are the type(s) of british people who like jarvis cocker in 2011?

― Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago)

Indies of a Certain Age, BBC commissioning editors

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago)

his last album was great iirc!

― MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago)

I can't see how anyone can't like Jarvis Cocker tbh, especially not when British.

But then I'm not British.

― Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago)

Britpop Nostalgists, non-Oasis Division

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago)

Sebastian Coe, Jo Whiley

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:28 (thirteen years ago)

Coe is a prick among men

― Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago)

i would guess that sebastian coe would not like jarvis cocker, possibly would not know who he is

― Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago)

Coe is Cool Britannia Olympic Committee master dictator, assume he is fully cognizant of Jarv's important work in shilling the London Games

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:31 (thirteen years ago)

there doesn't feel much of a constituency here

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago)

he were good in that fox movie that were good

― interim dn (darraghmac), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago)

time was popular entertainers and gentlemen athletes would maybe share a forced handshake and the royal variety show

― Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzylqHGQrXM

that bit where he says "a totally bad-boy beat kicks in" made my toes curl with embarrassment so badly that i scratched the top of my feet

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago)

never saw that

i think his fans would probably be ok with him doing ads for eurostar

― Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago)

fans are usually okay with things, they are fans. still, a totally bad-boy beat.

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago)

i've often thought Plato was being a real nob when he said that everybody shd only do the 1 job they are best at but sometimes i think he had a point

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago)

that was fred taylor iirc

― interim dn (darraghmac), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago)

i wonder whether there are maybe constituencies of jarvis cocker fans/apologists who were really unaware of his musical career but have responded positively to his newfound role as 'national treasure'

― Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:42 (thirteen years ago)

i have never knowingly heard a pulp track

― interim dn (darraghmac), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago)

alright i have no idea what you "lads" are talking about

― MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:44 (thirteen years ago)

lol

― interim dn (darraghmac), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago)

we are discussing the noted Sheffield boulevardier and raconteur, Jarvais Cocker

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago)

he smelt of fish cos of his job

― interim dn (darraghmac), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:46 (thirteen years ago)

Probably poor form to mention this, amidst the zings, but having only recently got a DAB radio in the kitchen my Sunday afternoon cooking is always boosted by his Sunday Service show on 6 Music; he had an interview with Lawrence from Felt yesterday, which is as good a backdrop for chopping veg whilst the dusk creeps in as I can think of.

― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Monday, 31 October 2011 07:49 (thirteen years ago)

Of annoyingly ubiquitous meejah presences, he's fairly low down the list of figures deserving ire IMO, though those Eurostar ads are WTF levels of bad as NV says.

― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Monday, 31 October 2011 09:46 (thirteen years ago)

he smelt of fish cos of his job

yeah a friend of mine met him in a hotel after one of the V festivals, said he stunk of fish.

― Summer Slam! (Ste), Monday, 31 October 2011 09:55 (thirteen years ago)

Not a massive fan but have always liked him and his work and don't mind him promoting Eurostar, but this is as much an ad for the damn Olympics, a boring coroparate toss-fest that benefits only Lord Coe and his pals and so leaves a bad taste

― Proger, Monday, 31 October 2011 10:10 (thirteen years ago)

Somebody should "do a Jarvis Cocker" to him over those Eurostar adverts

― R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Monday, 31 October 2011 10:16 (thirteen years ago)

What's a "Jarvis Cocker" ? Oh, as per MJ?

― Mark G, Monday, 31 October 2011 10:21 (thirteen years ago)

Arse out, flap hands, launch career

― R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Monday, 31 October 2011 10:22 (thirteen years ago)

the bit at the end of the eurostar advert where the guy reaches down and picks up the cup of tea and everything falls away and it turns out they're on a train together is incredibly reminiscent of coming out of a k-hole

― dogs, Monday, 31 October 2011 11:33 (thirteen years ago)

I love your username!

― post, Monday, 31 October 2011 12:35 (thirteen years ago)

looks like he could do with a good wash imho

― Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 31 October 2011 15:36 (thirteen years ago)

Britpop Nostalgists, non-Oasis Division

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, October 31, 2011 12:27 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hahaha, this is so me

― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 31 October 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago)

'apologists' gtfo with this imo

― occupy wall street 2: rummy never sleeps (darraghmac), Monday, 31 October 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago)

all of us over here tbh

― encarta it (Gukbe), Monday, 31 October 2011 15:54 (thirteen years ago)

three years pass...

r.i.p.

― how's life, Monday, 22 December 2014 19:03 (ten years ago)

I had no *H*O*O*S* for him anyway

― I Am The Cosmos Factory (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 December 2014 19:08 (ten years ago)


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