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Which are you, if any? Which is best? What's the difference? Are they a linear rankign system with some worth more than others or they do they mean disfferent and distinct things as terms? When do you use them?

Today is ludicrous solipsism ego day on ILX!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

What about 'good looking' and 'attractive'?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

'Attractive' is in there, N., but feel free to insert 'good looking' too.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Oops.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

'Sexy'. N. is 'beautiful'.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

pretty>sexy>attractive>beautiful>handsome

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Attractive at best, in that I'm obviously not entirely repulsive, but I'd be hard pressed to define myself as any of the others.

"Attractive" and "sexy" are the only ones that really go further than surface looks.

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I get all of them semi-regularly except 'sexy'. This bothers me more than it should do.

Gareth is way off the mark - I think 'beautiful' is the most complementary of the lot of them and reckon it does go deeper than surface looks.

Being called 'handsome' is rubbish. Everyone's mum says they are handsome.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, i was ranking them, i didnt realise we had to them for ourselves. in that case, i guess i am fascist

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

They are all different, anyway, yes.

Though 'good looking' is perhaps the same as 'handsome' only less gender-specific.

'Beautiful' is the slipperiest one. On the one hand, I might say that, say, Naomi Campbell is beautiful but not attractive or sexy, because I don't really fancy her and the latter two terms seem more subjective. But I might also say that people who I find most attractive are also the most beautiful I have ever seen, even though I know that in a worldwide poll they wouldn't win.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

"not repulsive" or perhaps "acceptable"

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

What do either of Gareth's posts mean?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

N. has the same definition of the word "beautiful" as I do, that's quite strange.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I would prefer to be called beautiful rather than any of the others. that said, i do get a little buzz from being called sexy.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Beautiful: Implies a certain ethereal quality when talking about a whole person, people who "walk with [their] own personal cinematographer".

Sexy: More earthy, more tactile, quirkier, va va voom and x-factor, springing up from a glint in the eye or a shake of the hips.

Attractive: "What is it about so-and-so I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's there."

Pretty: A submissive description, quite juvenille and/or naieve.

Handsome: Used to express grudging admiration for the kind of man your grandmother would fancy/ a strapping young woman. (It's a shame about handsome, it's not a bad word, it just suffers from being old fashioned.)

Good looking: Something you can see in an objective way, but aren't necessarily drawn to.

I'd like to think people who fancy me would place me somewhere between sexy and attractive, but I fear they may think pretty.

― Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

'Pretty' is gender-specific, isn't it? The only time I ever hear it used in relation to blokes is when people are talking about 'pretty boys' which kind of implies some sort of femininity.

Likewise, I'm not sure anyone talks about women as being handsome - unless they are big fat Yorkshire barmen going "aye, she's a handsome young lass, in't she?", which I don't believe gets said very often.

Both also feel slightly damning-with-faint-praise if used by the wrong person. I'm not sure why.

You can be find someone both ugly and sexy at the same time, which seems to differentiate it from the others. 'Attractive' seems like the general umbrella term.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Anna, what if someone is.... beautiful in a non-ethereal way and you don't want to make it clear that you're not personally drawn to them?

ps. you are pretty.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been called beautiful, but not because of my looks.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been called good-looking and sexy.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, I guess in your scheme 'good looking' does cover that (with the 'not necessarily' bit).

I think 'good looking' is also slightly gender biased towards men.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I am none of these things, but I have an enormous cock.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, beautiful and pretty are the only ones that are regularly used to describe non-human subjects.

Where am I going with this?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it a pretty cock?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Not really.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

My dick's been called 'goodlooking'

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

There was an episode of NewsRadio which answered this question quite accurately.

beautiful = pretty + tall
cute = pretty + hyperactive
gorgeous = pretty + great hair
sexy = pretty + easy

and several others.

And I'm dreamy, btw.

― Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

No mention of 'cute' so far, which I'd rank as the nicest/best/top - a combination of some of the above.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

·?$k you and, um, bah at the same time I think.

I think I'd probably say classicly beautiful, to indicate it was some sort of global standard of beauty.

Matt - that's what I meant about pretty, you have 'pretty boys' or 'pretty little things'. Oh and I hate 'cute' as well. (End short girl's lament)

― Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, cute can be nice, but also patronising.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

but cute is good!

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

No, cute is the worst. It's like saying the person is not attractive, but they are sort of twee and adorable and harmless like a kitten.

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

sexy = pretty + easy

This is so much rubbish, but then I like ice maiden bitches.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but I think small puppies are cute, it doesn't mean I want to have sex with them.

I find 'cute' patronising and flattering in almost equal measure.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

It's like saying the person is not attractive, but they are sort of twee and adorable and harmless like a kitten.

Or that they are attractive, and sort of twee and adorable and harmless like a kitten.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I am not someone who can be described successfully as cute most of the time, I believe.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Cute does not work for me, either. http://www.stylusmagazine.com/staff/photos/nick_southall.jpg

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"Sexy" is too arbitrary to mean anything.

"Pretty" is just a step above the uber-patronising "cute" -- not really beautiful or desirable in any way, but the person does not look like a gargoyle.

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

My first girlfriend described me as 'cute' and I remember an amusing discussion with mutual friends about whether girls actually fancied boys they described as 'cute'. Or maybe it was 'sweet'.

Anyway, I totally fancy girls I would describe as 'cute', but not that seriously. I don't think I'd marry a 'cute' girl. But maybe. We'll see.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.viceland.com/issues/v10n4/htdocs/dos_donts/images/Untitled-8_2_03.jpg

"She’s so cute she’s drifting into the Ronald McDonald zone a little bit—but not. You have to watch it with “cute,” because it’s not really “sexy” unless it gets down to little white socks and a tight T-shirt, at which point it actually overtakes its “sexy” counterpart of high-heels and lingerie. Cute is a commitment to go right to the end."

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick and Ally are dangerous! Look out!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

That girl is not attractive to me at all.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Nor me.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick and Ally are dangerous!

We just shot our load on yr best party frock...before you enter the palace of wisdom, you have to decide, are you ready to rock?

That reminds me, why is there not category for "hot"? Jarvis, for example.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

not really beautiful or desirable in any way, but the person does not look like a gargoyle.

Is this honestly what you think "pretty" means? I think you may be mistaken.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

That girl is not attractive to me at all.

nor me, but they´re otm about the socks and t-shirt thing

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

There's something about 'pretty' that implies something utterly unthreatening. You cannot be a pretty ice maiden bitch, for example.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i normally get called "bastard" more often than any of the above, though i would be most concerned if anyone thought me pretty. the rest aren't too bad, though... if ever referred to as any of these things, i generally tend to find it weird, coz i quite honestly rarely think about my appearance (apart from shoes) at all...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Ballerinas are pretty.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Tight t-shirt and panties is not the antithesis of traditional sexy (c.f. the entirety of the Victoria's Secret catalog save the four pages of completely retarded "Italian lingerie", which all look like torture devices)

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

out of all of the aforementioned descriptors, i have only ever been called ´pretty´, and i´m quite certain it preceded ´boy´

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

also my mom says im handsome

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd just like to reiterate that that girl is not cute.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Or that they are attractive, and sort of twee and adorable and harmless like a kitten.

Pretty much right on, except for the 'harmless like a kitten' thing - I've had bad experiences with kittens.

And the ViceMag example - not-cute.

Cute - Natasha Gregson Wagner in Two Girls and a Guy

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

In fact I'm pretty sure that, for example, a girl putting on her boyfriend's dress shirt and her underwear and going to bed like that has always been considered sexy? Not cute or twee.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd just like to reiterate that that girl is not cute.

It's the hair. See the hair thread -- that's what I mean about the terrible stage in between buzzing your hair and being able to comb it. But put her in some thin panties and one of my dress shirts...

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

It's her face and style too. She basically defines "not. my. type"

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

who really owns dress shirts for heaven's sake? and are women willing to sleep with such creatures?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, every man with a job?

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally is correct. I find that the sexiest thing ever.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Women do the darnedest things.

Ally - a dress shirt is one with funny collar.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Every man with an office job, maybe. The other 70%...

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

right, right, the girl is not cute, agreed

but the actual point is that ´cute´ is neither derogatory nor code for ´not sexually desirable´ but in fact a class of attractiveness that has the secret potential to OUTSEX sexy by miles

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

evidently i am unemployed... (in my dreams)

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I like dress shirts.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, every man with a job?

Luckily, I haven't got one. A job, that is. Nor a dress shirt. I do have a pink dress, however.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

OK what you people are saying to me is that 70% of you--which is rather evidently untrue because I'm pretty sure that the NYC ILX male contingent, for example, are not complete freaks--do not own a shirt that looks like this:

http://images2.nordstrom.com/images/store/product/medium/57822.jpg

THIS IS MENTALISM.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, wtf do you people wear to do anything nice? Do you not get invited to anything nice? What do you wear to work? Do you also not realize that this is a pretty sexy look?

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think of that as a dress shirt.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

the day i buy a dress shirt, please kill me... the day i have a job that demands i wear one please fire me...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I own about 7 shirts that look like that. You can rotate your slacks through two, maybe three washes, but you have to have a selection of shirts. Plus a spare to give to your girlfriend, after you wear it once on a cool day, so it smells like you, but not too much.

I have a system.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I put in "dress shirt" in Google Image Search and all that came up were pictures of those! What do you reckon is a dress shirt, N.?

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

that girl is cute.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I probably get called cute the most and it doesn't really bother me. Then again, I'm not a very petite woman.

I think I bother Nick because I'm always saying his shirts are pretty. Ha ha. But handsome is such a silly word.

If a guy looks really good I refer to him as being HOT or GORGEOUS.

I like being called beautiful, but it implies I have a beautiful heart or soul or some crap and sometimes I just want to be physically appealing. Bah!

― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave, no one cares if you personally want to wear a dress shirt. Your question was "Who wears that and what women sleep with them?" The answer is about 90% of men at sometime in their lives, and women that like to sleep with men sleep with them.

I am still seriously confused as to what you'd wear to a nice event like a wedding if you won't wear a dress shirt. This is why I will not invite any of you to my wedding, you'll show up in mental clothing.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't got a shirt like that. I hate shirts with collars. If need one, like for an job interview, I'll borrow one from a friend. If I go to a fancy party, I do like to dress up, but that doesn't mean I'll have to wear a dress shirt. I'm also proud of the fact that I've never in my life worn a tie.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought they were specifically the sort that one wore with dinner suits (=tuxedos) with fancy pleats down them and a wing collar.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I owned more of these.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

THOSE SHIRTS HAVE BUTTON DOWN COLLARS THIS IS NOT SEXY!!!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll show up in a hawaian (sp?) t-shirt.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i have shirts like ally is talking about. i prefer dark brown ones, which i would wear with either a dark brown or black tie, or maybe a pale brown tie

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd much rather be called sexy than cute, but I'm not that fussy so either will do!
I have to say my boy owns a particular shirt (dress shirt whatever you call it) that I love & he looks sexy as f@#k!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

a dress shirt is something you wear with a tuxedo and means you need a bow tie and cuflinks.

Otherwise it's just a shirt.

― Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

This could be some UK/ US barrier again. See: pants, jumpers etc.

― Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I was thinking of it as anything that has a collar but is not polo-style or excessively printed.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the 'like ally is talking about', 'shirts like those' thing. I agree with Ally that it is mental that so many men seem to think they are something peculiar. They are just shirts. Using the word 'shirt' to describe anything else (T-shirts, sweatshirts, 'tops') is confusing.

x-post. Thank you for not making me feel like I've gone nuts, Anna.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

They are only sexy if worn by women walking around in their pants, I thought we had already established this.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Button down collars can be very sexy. You're so off.

I get called sexy and beautiful often. Yesterday I was told that I was "the pretty teacher."

― Texas Sam (thatgirl), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

(That girl could be cute. I don't think the lighting on her face is helping her.)

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

This is why I will not invite any of you to my wedding, you'll show up in mental clothing.

-- Ally (mlescau...), August 19th, 2003.

hahahahah!

― deathnight, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I like handsome women.

I hate the use of "hot" or even more so "hott" to indicate someone is attractive or whatever.

― cuspidorian (cuspidorian), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

re Anna's post, in US if you wear it with a tuxedo it is a tuxedo shirt

― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Button down collars can be very sexy.

If you're not going to be wearing a tie, they're better. Otherwise you get this whole butterfly collar effect. Makes you look like you need a tie.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Button down collars are so BLEURGH.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave, no one cares if you personally want to wear a dress shirt...I am still seriously confused as to what you'd wear to a nice event like a wedding if you won't wear a dress shirt. This is why I will not invite any of you to my wedding, you'll show up in mental clothing.

i feel a massive double standard here - tuomas can say he has a pink dress yet i am the one who would wear "mental clothing" coz i won't dress like an accountant... *raising eyes to heaven and kissing teeth*

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

in what cases would the extra 't' be warranted? as in hottt?

dave we know that you are homeless. sure yer 'room' is awfully noisy.

; - )

― deathnight, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, this is totally different from a dress shirt:
http://www.bigmen.com/formal/images/tuxedo.gif

Anyway, guys in dress shirts can be super hot/attractive/sexy/what-have-you.

A woman wearing her man's huge dress shirt with no pants on is typically hot.

― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I wouldn't wear my pink dress for anyone's wedding, to be sure. Besides, my legs look awful in it.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave, wearing a suit doesn't mean you're an accountant you mental child. There are nice suits and shirts. You're not invited to my wedding either.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

A woman wearing her man's huge dress shirt with no pants on is typically hot.

But what would warrant the use of the two t's?

You are all invited to my wedding. I'm just not going to show up.

― deathnight, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i would turn up at ally's wedding in military fatigues and a balaclava helmet...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

A woman wearing her man's huge dress shirt with no pants on is typically hot.

there´s the REAL double standard: women + porky pig style = foine

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave prefers not to look like the MAN, you dig? It's like, the whole world is so repressed. Loosen up, dudes!

http://www.augdogdyes.com/pictures/designs/compressed/1.jpg

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahah! is dave the big lebowski?

― deathnight, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Again, I'd like to know what exactly you wear to a nice event if you feel that putting on a "button-down shirt" is equivalent to dressing like a stodge.

I'm not sure why my comment about invites to my wedding was funny?

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

i feel a massive double standard here - tuomas can say he has a pink dress yet i am the one who would wear "mental clothing" coz i won't dress like an accountant...

I'm from the Kinky Finland, I'm excluded. If I'd turn up to your wedding in a pink dress, you could just say that I'm your Scandinavian cousin, and everyone would be: "Oh, I see."

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

when precisely is yr wedding ally?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

dave we should get together sometime and watch your trainspotting dvd

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

You can wear a pink dress to my wedding, I don't have issue with that.

Dave, stop avoiding the question.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I just look awkward whenever I wear my suit.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

what sort of bridemaid's outfits, though? dave might clash.

― deathnight, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

How do you kiss teeth, Dave S?

Hott is super-hot. Hottt is oh-my-god can't-stand-it sexy.

― Sarah MCLusky (coco), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

pretty but not sexy = Natalie Portman (?)

sexy but not pretty = Sharon Stone (?)

and right now i think i'd actually like to wear a shirt and tie to work (for first time in years)

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I just look awkward whenever I wear my suit.

That's either your own perception cause you don't wear it much, or you need a new suit. Nothing makes a man look more like a MAN than a well-cut suit. I wish I had more of them.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

ok so i wouldn't have worn fatigues and a balaclava... i've never been to a wedding so i don't know...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i would turn up at ally's wedding in military fatigues and a balaclava helmet...

*makes tired joke about how you'd end up being confused with the groom*

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally, are all shirt collars in America button down? Cause here, the collars are allowed to fly free.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Listen, the details of my nonexistant-at-this-time-theoretical-wedding are irrelevant!

stevem I'm gonna smack you. My boyfriend has a dress suit unlike you mentalists!!!

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

My point:
http://www.musicman.com/00pic/723.jpg

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Nothing makes a man look more like a MAN than a well-cut suit. I wish I had more of them.

Who says every man wants to look like a MAN?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah OTM!!

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Who says every man wants to look like a MAN?

Ha! Prance on over here and lemme look at that purty dress of yers.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

You people are mentalists. cute>sexy>beautiful/handsome>pretty>attractive.

For looking at in the street/cafe/abstract, anyway. For kissing, all bets are off.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

ally is more of a rules of attraction girl than american psycho.

― deathnight, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

sometimes i want to look like this

http://www.leslieccy.net/blackboxrecorder/images/bbr.jpg

not the one in the middle duh

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

You see Bale's not waering button-down.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

It's just that, when a man is wearing a suit, you don't have to wonder whether or not he's paying for dinner, you know?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally, are all shirt collars in America button down? Cause here, the collars are allowed to fly free.

I'm not Ally, but I'll answer: no. I have many dress shirts with straight collars, no buttons.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I figure just keep your dress shirts for when the occasion demands it, weddings and formal dinners and things like that -- I attend enough of those, ergo I have a variety of dress shirts and buttoned shirts to hand. If this job all of a sudden said 'dress shirts each day' I'd be the first to tartly ask exactly what that has to do with productivity.

Nothing makes a man look more like a MAN than a well-cut suit.

Man, fuck that. I'm not reestablishing the bounds of masculinity in an outfit like that, it's more like male drag -- Kenan, transvestite to his own gender!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

actually steve i don´t think you show off your legs enough

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

But this is why I said "dress shirt", in my world this includes both Patrick Bateman's shirt and the button down shirt. It was you people who brought in the term button-down.

Who is deathknight?

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

despite being unemployed I still have like 12-15 dress shirts.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

tooth-kissing = extended, derisory tutting

i hate trainspotting, very button-down movie/book... for accountants doing a spot of literary slumming

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you ever think that this is the reason why you've never been invited to a wedding?

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's not confuse button down shirt (very general) with button down collar (very specific).

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I am none of the above but all "dawg".

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i prefer the ones without the buttons myself.

i am looking for a pic of me in a suit for this thread

it is doomie

the look must be with a tie, it cannot be without tie

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

tooth-kissing = extended, derisory tutting

*makes tired joke about white people not being able to do this*

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

dave - OTM - at a party this bloke goes 'OMIGOD I'VE JUST SEEN TRAINSPOTTING WHY DO PEOPLE DO HEROIN THE HORROR' i laugh and go: 'TRAINSPOTTING MADE ME WANT TO TAKE DRUGS ... REQUIEM FOR A DREAM ON THE OTHER HAND ...'

sean bateman v. patrick bateman - who gots the style there? i'm more of a sean bateman myself.

― deathnight, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to see gareth in a suit, everyone hush up.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

gareth i can photoshop your head onto Crockett from Miami Vice if you like

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

it's going to be brown.

― deathnight, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i get invited to weddings all the time - i just don't go...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Crockett didn't wear a tie!

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave, that's really antisocial and quite sad to me, actually.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

he didn't wear button-down collars either...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

churches scare me...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

the look must be with a tie, it cannot be without tie

Wearing a tie with a button-down collar is a sin punishable by being beaten about the face and head with an issue of Esquire.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave won't go cos they don't play dancehall at the reception do

sorry i read gareth saying it MUSTN'T have a tie - i'll stick his head on Jarvis and have done with it probably

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

the suit is black, the shirt and tie are dark brown, i will have to wait until i get home to find the pic i think.

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

But I wasn't talking about button-down collars specifically! You're all such a bunch of dickheads.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is pure transatlantic mentalism and makes my head hurt.

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i get invited to weddings all the time - i just don't go...

B-b-but... drunken bridesmaids!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's not confuse button down shirt (very general) with button down collar (very specific).

???

But this is why I said "dress shirt", in my world this includes both Patrick Bateman's shirt and the button down shirt.

I hate your world.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

OK whatever, all I'm saying is that none of you are invited to my wedding because

A) none of you understand the concept of "dress shirt"
B) some of you refuse to put on a dress shirt
C) none of you dress like Crockett

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

???

A button down shirt is a shirt with button. A button down collar is a collar with buttons, only appearing on a very specific type of "business casual" shirt.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't bloody say "button-down shirt" at all, I merely posted a picture of a shirt that happened to have collar stays. These are worn with suits and very different from the stupid button up casual shirts that are a plague across the American continent. I refuse to be blamed for this madness.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got a light blue sports jacket.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

dress shirts = starched wing-collars with bib
button-down collar shirts = spasticated (with or without tie)
normal shirts = nice

and, ok i was lying, i have been to weddings and i wore a either my pauls smith or nicole farhi suit with a shirt and tie and at the last one i played cutty ranks at the reception i was djing at...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Who was blaming you? Touchy touchy...

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

So your 'button down shirt' = Ally's 'dress shirt' = our 'shirt'

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Kenan I wasn't replying to you. In fact I'm kind of ignoring you.

N. apparently it is not your "shirt" because Dave doesn't own one, does he walk about topless? What do you call your other shirts?

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

A lot of times I equate the word "beautiful" with societal standards of attractiveness; ie, high cheekbones, makeup, expensive clothes, essentially looking like a model, etc, but NOT what I consider attractive. I call Sarah beautiful sometimes, but generally the word has odd connotations to me. I use "cute" more, because women that other people call 'cute' are more attractive to me than ones that are called 'beautiful' by others. Is that complicated enough?

PS, ladies, I'm wearing a dress shirt right now.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

So your 'button down shirt' = Ally's 'dress shirt' = our 'shirt'

Exactly. But, you know, no Hawaiian prints.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I hella like band-collar shirts. I've got like 7 of 'em.
http://www.alamostyles.com/MensWear/shirt_wht_crys_360.gif

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i want Dave as my wedding DJ (please tell me it was 'Limb By Limb'!) - you still have to wear a suit tho

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

N. apparently it is not your "shirt" because Dave doesn't own one, does he walk about topless?

you wish...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

In fact I'm kind of ignoring you.

I gathered that from this:

A) none of you understand the concept of "dress shirt"

You shouldn't ignore me. I understand the concept of a dress shirt.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

nickalicious, that's is indeed a hott shirt.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Hawaiian prints are great on the right people. Suits are way, way better though. Better than even uniforms!

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

don't button me down.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

post more pics

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i played "limb by limb" and "who seh mi dun" later on plus a ton of other reggae and hip-hop dancehall...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i will wer a button-down shirt, balaclava helmet and a thong steve...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't understand this weird opposition to button down shirts.

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

English people.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I've not worn my suit for a year, ie; since the interview that got me this job. I normally wear shorts.

ANYWAY, this thread is about beautiful / pretty / cute / sexy etcetera, NOT shirts and suits! Start yer own shirts & suits thread!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The obsession with button-down shirts is to do with BGen Sherman / dodgy nightclubs / Oasis / mods / bad shoes with buckles / Top Man suits / 8 pints of lager / fight and not wanting to be perceived as part of that culture.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I still think cute is absolutely derogatory.

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i like 8 pints of lager and a fight (this may lose me a few wedding invites, too).. you're cute, y'know...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, they look shit.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

oh so yr agreeing w/ me now nick?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

NO. Let's get this straight: I have nothing against shirts with buttons down the front, whether formal (ie. to be worn with a suit) or not. I don't like ones where the collar gets buttoned down. Is is that complicated?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

No! It's not complicated at all! I don't understand this thread anymore! MENTALISTS.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm confused - is gareth going or not going to ally's wedding?

― deathnight, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course he's coming.

Anyway I started a whole separate thread for this. Go back to discussing pretty v. beautiful v. handsome

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

And where's the gareth photo? Hmmm?

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't really understand. Buttons are tiny! I barely notice if there are some on a collar!

(I do get all the associations but they are part of a whole look and context.)

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Banded collar shirts are bad, bad.

Men teachers here must wear button, dress shirts and ties everyday.

― Texas Sam (thatgirl), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the invite depends on whether ally rates the suit or not. god, her weddings are always so complicated.

― deathnight, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not the button itself, Archel. It's the way it holds the collar down tight. And the daggery shape of the the collars that you tend to get with them is nasty and fit only for a cowboy. I like a collar to be less vertical.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, so back to pretty v. cute etc...
i've been called beautiful, hot, cute, sexy. i used to think ack, cute, oh no, the cute as a species don't age well, and all that. but then i met this girl who was so cute she was beautiful, and i thought, hey! i'll just tell myself i'm that way! ok!
isn't hot kinda a mix of cute n' sexy? hmm? i mean for girls. sometimes guys are so cute they're hot, see david duchovny and brad pitt. oh, and ashton kutcher.
also i am continually harassing my boyfriends thusly: when they call me beautiful, i say, 'are you sure i'm not more...cute?' and when they call me hot, i say, 'hot? not sexy, or beautiful?' etc. ad nauseum.

― praying mantis (praying mantis), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

the shirt talk is off-topic and annoying - move on!

Larcole i think you're harsh on the 'cute' term - but i can imagine it being like getting called 'sweet', which has happened to me a few times and you know it just translates 'it's a good thing you're so nice cos i don't fancy you in the slightest but at least i can talk to you and we can be friends' which would be fine as long as that's what both parties wanted.

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Banded collar shirts are pretty ugly, Sam is right.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

sam and ally - any thoughts on the ever popular 'checked-business casual button downs?'

― deathnight, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

or is that 'slumming it'?

― deathnight, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think cute/adorable is a negative word.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I quite like being called 'pretty' because I don't think of myself that way.

I think 'sexy' and 'beautiful' are in a way the more subjective terms here, in that you can imagine using them for anyone you happen to be in love with, at least I would hope so.

'Handsome', 'attractive' and 'goodlooking' can easily be applied to strangers.

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Surely you can appley 'beautiful' to strangers?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

(Madonna to thread)

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, you can.

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

cute is a fine word, there's nothing wrong with it...

to me it implies pretty and nice, too - calling a woman this is a GOOD thing

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

And whither Kawaii?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

pretty + sexy = beautiful

from a purely aesthetic view of course

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i know too many cute girls and not enough sexy ones, but thats quite callous, very hypocritical and possibly quite narrow-minded of me

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I think pretty is kind of derogatory too, but not as bad as cute.

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

When 'beautiful' is used about a random stranger, it's like calling a sunset or a painting beautiful. It's more distancing than 'sexy' or 'pretty'.

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I think pretty is kind of derogatory too, but not as bad as cute.

tough crowd!!

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

It's just blandly pleasant, mediocre, meh.

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

You are all looking blandly pleasant and mediocre today.

― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

granted ´pretty´ kind of sounds like a word that a falknerian manchild would use to describe his language tutor, but still - intent, come on

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Larcole is settling for nothing short of absolutely fucking STUNNING. If you don't lose your breath and go into convulsions, it's kind of an insult.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

also ´cute´ is all in the intonation

witness "she´s cute" vs "damn she´s cute"

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

But STUNNING is like if you get buzzed with a stun gun and that would hurt so it's a total insult. ha ha

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Larcole, what exactly would you consider a compliment with regards to your appearance? 'beautiful' and 'attractive' suggest prettiness and cuteness anyway so what's the problem?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I think if anyone gets just one of these words often then it would get annoying.

still being called cute or pretty is better than no compliment.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Why so offended Kenan? As descriptive terms they're pretty terrible. I don't like or go looking for compliments in general, but those are the worst of a bad bunch.

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I tried to make a serious point re: cute and beautiful up above, but it was overwhelmed by couture nonsense. Please respond appropriately.

I can't copy and repaste because my computer is a numbnuts.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not offended, but "pretty" works fine for me. "Beautiful" feels like I'm trying too hard.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Thinking about it, there is an undercurrent to a lot of American use of 'cute' which makes it sound like 'dinky' - sort of like when Madonna got mad at (Kevin Costner? Warren Beatty?) for describing her show as 'nice'.

I think the UK "S/he's so cute" is a very positive thing, and makes no assumptions about any other aspect of the person.

And there's the Irish version, which means crafty. Most common use: "a cute hoor".

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Archel is so OTM on this thread.

I like the word cute, and use it entirely as a compliment if I use it at all. I'm a bit upset some of you dislike it so much. It's *not* damning with faint praise, it's *not* patronising, in my mind at least, and obviously that's the only mind I can speak for.

"Beautiful" can be something untouchable, unfeeling, objective. Cute, pretty, sexy all have much more an implication of judgement on personal, internal, unique criteria.

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I get 'cute' a LOT.

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

how about 'fuckable'?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

that last question was not directed just to luna i should add!

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

So when I say someone is cute or pretty, I'm belittling them? This is some real hardcore third-wave feminist bullshit, if you ask me. But whatever. If I call you pretty and you get offended, you're not the girl for me.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you saying luna isn't fuckable? Cos she is, totally.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Hear hear!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

see, as a girl, you can say things like this

we usually say ´cute´

but in the end they usually mean the same thing

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - I knew, steve, don't worry.

(And awww, you guys...)

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Kenan's overegging his pudding, I think, but cute often fulfils a normalising role. Calling a female (friend, lover, sister, doesn't matter) beautiful is more often than not going to sound any out of creepy, arse-licky, uninterested, embarrassing. "Cute" is a much more general term, doesn't necessarily have superlative or sexual connotations, and is used freely by both genders.

I feel uncomfortable with people who imbue words with (negative) significances beyond what they deserve, *even if* they can sometimes be said negatively or condescendingly. Surely it's more important to try and understand what someone means by a word or phrase they use, rather than relying on your own knee-jerk reactions?

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

xposts: I think "beautiful", because of the "eye of the beholder" thing is a more personal/subjective compliment. It isn't something that you could bring in a friend to offer a second opinion on.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

So when I say someone is cute or pretty, I'm belittling them? This is some real hardcore third-wave feminist bullshit

It's not about feminism, it's about the fact that Nicole finds those to be nondescriptive, noncommittal words.

I call my boyfriend cute all the damned time because he's fucking adorable (to me I use that word as a sort of ubercombo of incredibly funny/v. sweet/totally hot) but I can see where Nicole is coming from. Sometimes I bust out with the "cute" thing and then I'm like, "Yeah, right, use other words please, sorry".

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Kenan's overegging his pudding

HA! You just defined me in total.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm awkward and lanky.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You're totally adorable though!

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah as Ally said, it's not about feminism at all. It's just that they're both kind of dull terms. It wouldn't offend me to be called pretty or cute, but I wouldn't feel very flattered either. I don't care for compliments in general though.

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

What if someone called you "the bee's knees"?

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

bee's knees > dog's bollocks

so no-one here finds the term 'fuckable' negative?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, it's not any way to talk about your mother.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Mmmm.... Stevem's mother.... (drool)

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, if you want to be technical about it, just about anything is "fuckable," so it's kind of meaningless.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

kenan's mum is the wasp's nipples

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuckable is just dumb, for the reasons Nick mentioned.

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

the wasp's nipples

the grasshopper's toenails

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I find Larcole quite typable. Respondable, even.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I´d read her til my eyes hurt.

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

all of the words above are good and if anyone calls you them you should be happy - better than saying yr an ugly old rotter...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyday is so wonderful, then suddenly, it's hard to breathe
Now and then I get insecure, from all the fame
I'm so ashamed

I am beautiful no matter what they say
Words can't bring me down
I am beautiful in every single way
Yes words can't bring me down, Oh no
So don't you bring me down today

To all your friends you're delirious
So consumed in all your doom
Trying hard to fill the emptiness, the pieces gone,
Left the puzzle undone, ain't that the way it is?

You are beautiful no matter what they say
Words can't bring you down, no, no
Cause you are beautiful in every single way
Yes words can't bring you down. Oh, no
So don't you bring me down today

No matter what we do, (No matter what we do)
No matter what we say, (No matter what we say)
We're the song inside the tune, (yeah) full of beautiful mistakes (oh yeah)
And everywhere we go, (And everywhere we go)
The sun will always shine
(The sun will Always, Always, Shine)
And tomorrow we might awake on the other side

'Cause we are beautiful no matter what they say
Yes words won't bring us down, no
We are beautiful in every single way
Yes words can't bring us down, oh , no
So don't you bring me down today

Mm, yeah, don't you bring me down today
Yeah, yeah, ooh,
Don't you bring me down, ooh, today

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

good point about fuckable - i was just throwing it out there. sometimes its a sexy thing to say no? maybe 'shaggable' is better? oh wait, then you'd be Austin Powers - ack

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

mark c i hope you realise you are actually drooling over a dead wolf

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuxorable!

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

good one jel, that's like adorable but also sexy (Jewel to thread, yay)

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Out of all of these I think fuxorable is the only one I like.

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

'Cute' and 'pretty' = the only terms I use to describe girls = I fancy these kinds of girls - though you wouldn't necessarily deem them 'cute' or 'pretty'.

― David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

what about "i wanna up all in their grill"?

that can be used in polite company, right?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Only if you're George Foreman.

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

grill = face right? but whyy?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

car?

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

not quite.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

cute is ambiguous. I've got "sexy" more than any of the others, I think it's usually been with the addendum that it was what I said or my intellect that did it.

I think what the girls in question meant was they wanted to go out with me cos they thought I was smart. depressing.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry, it's such an arrogant thing to complain about but it made me feel like a political movie or def jux compilation.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

but def jux is bangin' son!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps Ronan wants to be bangin' daughter.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmmm.

So in order to participate in this thread you would have had to have been called either beautiful, sexy, attractive, pretty, or handsome?

Hmmmm.

Well, apparently my smile has been given the "pretty" seal of approval by Ms. Ally herself, so that kinda counts, right? The most complimentary my mom's gotten IRL has been when she's said I looked nice in an outfit. Nice. Nice is, well, nice, when you're talking about a personality, but nice is bleh when you're talking about physical appearance.

Aside from this, though -- nada, nothing. Nary a thing. Hopefully with the ILX Self-Improvement Guide (as authored by a few denizens of this forum) this will change, though.

― Jane Datsun (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

You do have a very pretty smile. It's very genuine.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

You do have a very pretty smile. It's very genuine.

Thank you hon. This compliment is truly appreciated, absolutely. And if/when that Someone Special, whoever he is, says that to me, I will smile and think of the first person ever to point this out and thank God once again great and complimentary people such as you exist.

― Jane Datsun (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think I've ever heard anyone call me pretty, but extraordinarily I have had the other four applied to me. All wrong.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't listen to your mom Dee, seriously. She's not the arbieter of your attractiveness.

― Texas Sam (thatgirl), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Dee, you remind me of one of my high school girlfriends (aka the one I wanted to marry when I was 18).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Dee, you look a lot like my sister, who I also think is lovely. You should not let a lack of compliments or praise at home affect your self-worth (though this is *way* easier said than done, as I know from personal experience).

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Stevem, surely a jackal?

I'm looking quite gay today.

― Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

yeh that was me on the Black Grape album cover all along

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

I get 'cute' a LOT.
-- luna (luna.c), Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:24 AM (4 years ago)

how about 'fuckable'?
-- stevem (blueski), Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:24 AM (4 years ago)

that last question was not directed just to luna i should add!
-- stevem (blueski), Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:25 AM (4 years ago)

Are you saying luna isn't fuckable? Cos she is, totally.
-- Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:29 AM

― gershy, Saturday, 10 November 2007 07:12 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

don't tell my girlfriend, but the author of this style blog is like the prettiest ever:

http://lisaslikes.blogspot.com/

― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 01:37 (sixteen years ago)

i should start a blog with just pictures of me frolicking in the sunshine

― amuse-douche (s1ocki), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 02:44 (sixteen years ago)

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