Doom Patrol: Classic or Dud

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Since we're talking about him on every other thread...

colin clarke, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He makes me laugh, so I say CLASSIC. Though he does start getting annoying when he posts 10 times in a row...

Nicole, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think he's hysterical, but not in the way he intends to be. He thinks he's being witty, but in truth he's being an arse, and watching someone unintentionally make an arse of himself is one of the funniest things ever.

And I love the way Mark S. made his head split open. That was GRATE!!!

masonic boom, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As Tom said in a previous thread, Grant Morrison did his best work in the service of Cliff Steele and Niles Caulder. As did Richard Case - excellent artwork. The writers & artists bookending the Morrison / Case years are crap. Damn that Vertigo.

David Raposa, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Frustrating, that's him in a nutshell. Clearly Geir Hongro finally has a true equivalent here, though even Geir could actually be honestly funny at points.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

.*phew* very exciting stuff.
Too bad about the heroin and the madness!

duane, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(for that quote alone = classic)

duane, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think it's a true testament to the power of ILM that DP is the only real, ongoing problem that the board has had. Well, apart from the C**rtn*y L*ve flamepit, but I don't think I've ever seen any forum have a discussion of her that doesn't turn nasty.

Maybe we should keep him as, like, a pet?

masonic boom, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What are you talking about? Most of you are patently not discussing popular comic "Doom Patrol", written by Grant Morrison. I am confused.

The Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He's not as bad as some people I've come across on the internet. Makes some worthwhile contributions sometimes. He's not just out to irritate. But, this:

I have an uncanny knack for making people irate. Doesnt bother me. I think it's good. Passion and all that.

, posted on the Lee Mavers thread, just puts in a nutshell, the mentality of a whole breed of asshole. That's his idea of passion? I don't know where to even fucking begin. So I won't.

Nick, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That post followed by i seem to piss off alot of people here. dunno why... on the Alan McGee thread is just the classic doompatrol ethos in a nutshell.

Attack people personally under the guise of "playing devils advocate", insult other peoples taste in music left and right but get offended if anyone counters by spitting on his holy cows, and then *wonders* why people dislike him. The best bit about DP is his whole "what did I do wrong?" attitude when things go completely awry. This is ultimately probably the most frustrating thing about him, but when viewed from a distance, probably also the *funniest*.

masonic boom, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You lot have obviously got some negative history with the guy - for someone coming in cold he reads like he's more used to contributing to popbitch. This isn't necessarily negative, just a different approach.

I was intrigued that when I dived in for an actual fight, he wasn't up for it at all, became Mr Calm'n'reflective. And also that Kate thought I'd been ruder than she ever was to him, when I was just mildly pissed at him dissing my friend. Even though, on reflection, she's one of the most confrontational people I know (and all the better for it).

So: Within the context of enjoying this board: CLASSIC In the wider world: DUD

chris, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Another thing to think abt: He's said (I don't know how many times — and remember, I *am* taking notes) that he's off.... that's it.... goodbye suckers it's been dandy.... byebye saddos...... no posts from this canadian novelist...

So what draws him back, again and again and again? He's like a 7-year-old who likes a girl in his class, doesn't know how to say this, so PUNCHES HER IN THE FACE! We should actually be flattered. *shrugs* *eyes turn up in head* *breath leaves body*

ilovethelollies, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

never mind this old tat, who is going to flowchart at kosmische tomorrow night???

gareth, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You lot have obviously got some negative history with the guy

Chris, you are coming in somewhat late, and missing most of the back story. Yes, I am a somewhat confrontational person, but I do try to back up all my confrontational bluff and bluster against the opinions expressed by people, with a fundamental respect for the people expressing said opinions.

Started on another thread, not even sure if it was the Strokes or the Poptones thread (he manages to drag McGee into every thread ever- hence, why I think your post was so damned effective, Mark) - he was being a confrontational bastard in his usual style, so I gave him some confrontation right back.

Instead of replying to my opinions and the views expressed therein- he launched back with a huge, massive, completely out of proportion blatant personal attack against me as a person, my band, my lifestyle, everything else. Clearly he had obviously gone out and RESEARCHED me, because he started bringing stuff up off personal and band webpages that I had never mentioned on this board. *THAT* bothered me.

I stopped engaging him, fearing a stalker type situation, and he escalated until it got to the point where his posts were so clearly personal and inflamatory that the Administrators of the board stepped in and deleted them.

Now he's just a stupid irritant, too much of a gnat to really bother anyone, but at the time, it really bothered me, his semi-stalker approach. Anyway, I think Mark is probably right about his whole attitude towards this board.

masonic boom, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I want to go to Flowchart! I really, really, really want to go to Flowchart! But I have to go and freaking WORK at Strange Fruit tomorrow night, at that indie twee bobbins Camera Obscura. *AND* I am missing the Dandy Warhols and Lupine Howl (OK, Lupine Howl suck big hairy moosecock, but still... must go to spit on the unbelievers who have inspired the wrath of the Prophet Jason Pierce) to see Belle and Suckasstian. Feh! Feh! Would much rather be at Flowchart.

masonic boom, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Be vewwy vewwy quiet! DP just popped in to say "bye" on Lee M*vers!!

And of course to point out that we are sad and bitter...

mark s, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

DP's not leaving anytime soon, he just likes to give us false hopes. That guy makes me embarrassed to love Bruce Springsteen. I must insist, I've never used the word "soul" to justify anything I like or to beat someone else over the head with.

Patrick, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You're right, Patrick. He's back already!!

mark s, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kate, I promise I wasn't criticising.

chris, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Does it bother you that he might read all this?

The Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I know you weren't criticising! I was just over-explaining, as usual.

Anyway, kids, he's BAAA-AAACK!!! It really is like watching a carcrash, you just can't look away. Here's his latest random attack on someone who was actually just asking a reasonable request for more information on an artist who happened to be on Poptones.

This is better than Jerry Springer!

Except I really have to go and figure out where the Strange Fruit massive are all meeting up for Belle and Sebastian tonight.

masonic boom, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It bothers me that a person everyone regards as a Grade-A fuckwit is receiving so much attention & press. Save the vitriol for fucksticks & poncy (sic?) jackanapes worthy of lengthy & lugubrious scorn, what do ya say?

John Major is still PM, isn't he?

David Raposa, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's now no longer vitriol, it's turned to utter amusement. Like I said, it's like watching Jerry Springer guests make fools of themselves in public.

masonic boom, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1. The Vicar is right: Grant Morrison is way more important than all this crap.

2. doompatrol sucks.

3. BUT I DID have a soft spot for the absurd and hyperactive neuromancer@antisocial.com, esp. when he was accused of being confrontational and changed his name to HEYBUDDY. Just thinking about that name change makes me chuckle.

the pinefox, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ho. I just made it onto the bottom of the stats. I'm on your tail, Katherine...

christopher, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ah-ha, there you are! You bastard, you squeezed Paul off the stats! But you've got a LONG WAY and a LOT OF SPARE TIME to go before you'll get anywhere near me. heh.

You know, it's actually kinda fun engaging doompatrol on his own level. There's a lot to be said for acting like Beavis & Butthead on a limited scale if you get to go home and have a brain at the end of it. Poor DP, who actually has to live inside his deluded, crazed worldview.

masonic boom, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Just don't bunt him over onto all the good threads, Kate.

I note he hasn't yet quite got it up to return to the McG**'s c*ck discussion. It wasn't what I said, exactly, or Colin: it was something *he* himself said, I think... Maybe we should just link a thread back to it whenever he gets TOO up himself?

mark s, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sigh. No more fun for now.

Anyway, I'm off to Belle and Suckasstian. Pity me. Paul has just messaged to say that he won't be making it. ARRGGHHH!!! So I am stuck going to see a band I loathe BY MYSELF, while my favourite band on earth are playing across town. Typical!

masonic boom, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You think that's harsh, I'm compering an all-day hardcore punk festival in Cambridge tomorrow.

chris, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What Masonic B says about going to B&S but loathing them, etc, is offensive. I would like to B&S and I'm not, and I feel sad about it. I'm not B&S's biggest fan, goodness knows, but I think Masonic B should stop being such an old bore about them.

the pinefox, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tough -- because I'm not fond of them either. At all! Ha! ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You know, I think it's mean to have a thread about how you don't like someone. Admittedly I've never read any of his posts, but still.

I encourage Tom Ewing to delete this thread.

The Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

TE is not, in fact, allowed to delete, is he? Not being a moderator. DG is your man.

Prob here is that we are some of us, I think, a bit afraid of DoomTroll. Not afraid that he'll harm or damage us or anything like that, but that he maybe has the whatever quite to sour something we like. And we have the right (on ILE) to look into that, I think. We are actually nicer to him here — if you can believe this — than some of us have been to his, well, obviously not face, but screen- identity. Might he find his way here? Spose so. Speak Tash's name and Tash will come.

mark s, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Great, thanks Mark, now my image of him is of a big ol' bird man with four arms. Which admittedly makes some of his pronouncements all the more amusing.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom's gag, not mine. Nicole actually summoned him, I think.

Make your choice, adventurous stranger;
Strike the bell and bide the danger,
Or wonder till it drives you mad,
What would have happened if you had.

I have toyed with the idea that he doesn't exist in human form: that he's the online manifestation of the dark side of ILM's collective net geekiness, aggression, boredom, loneliness, music-obsession etc etc — bit like the loa in W.Gibson.

Except frightened of AMc's penis.

mark s, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom has no say over this board, Reverend, this is my domain. I don't think I'll delete this thread, but: how does this thread work alongside the thread about bullies? Is this bullying?
Personally, I say no. DP is *quite* capable of defending himself, and is often the one who starts trouble, so he can jolly well live with the consequences of shooting his mouth off, and picking on Kate. I personally think he's the internet equivalent of the Cenobites from Hellraiser - he's not very pleasant and has strange ideas about pleasure, namely Poptones and Alan McGee's trouser snake. Has anyone been fiddling with a funny looking puzzle box?

DG, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

lets be honest though DG, "live with the consequences", i mean, not only, are they hardly rough consequences (being talked about here), but its EXACTLY WHAT HE WOULD WANT. i mean, who else gets a thread to themselves, apart from ally and momus obviously. i think he would love this if (or, rather when) he sees it.

gareth, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, 'live with the consequences' if he should see this and be offended. To be honest, I don't think we can predict what he'd like, unless it's on Poptones.

DG, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

His at-one-point-hourly contributions to Last-5-Records included some kewl stuff, not just P*Ptones and across time and the world.

(Note totally pitiful * attempt to prevent him googling and jaunting...)

mark s, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't like Belle and Sebastian because Stuart Murdoch stole my pen. However, I enjoyed the show a lot more than I thought I was going to. Partly because I was so damned drunk I would have enjoyed anything, and partly because they were actually FUNNY!!! Twee kids with a sense of humour! Waldorf and Statler impressions! Random gurls from audience singing songs while their friends did Bez impressions!

Erm... wait, this isn't about DP at all, it's about B&S now.

I think the reason that Colin started this thread was because we were already discussing DP on every other thread, and he wanted us to get back to talking about pubs, the weather and builders on the other threads, and keep our bitching here. It's clearly something that affected a lot of us, so, mean or not, it is still a meta-question perfectly valid to the forum.

Anyway... I really feel sorry for Stuart M. He has ginger eyelashes for fucks sake. And he's still a crap soundman. But he was much lovelier this time, and didn't kick us out of soundcheck or yell at us. I just wish he'd given my pen back. Sigh.

masonic boom, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ktremaineoyouwiththeflowers!

another name!!!

gareth, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's unbelievable!!! Just how instantly recognisable he is, under any bloody name! It's not even his writing style, it's the fact that he always SAYS THE SAME BLOODY THING!!! blah blah blah soul!!! blah blah blah Poptones!!! I bet he's not a real person, I bet he's a computer generated formula which just spits the same things out.

I'm scared to go back on the Twee thread, and it's MY FUCKING THREAD!!! OK, Gareth, you started it, but still.

masonic boom, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The first two or three posts he tried VERY VERY hard to not be DP (as in orderly HTML: sentences: feigned interest in the opinions of others). Then he lapsed.
Twee is now chock-full of me and pinefox and alasdair talking about diminished 7ths, I'm afraid: even scarier than the big man's dick

mark s, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The giveaway for, me is the, overabundance, of, commas all in, the wrong place. Whadda card, eh? One day, someone's going to post "prml scrm, C or D" on ILM, and doompatrol hell shall, bust loose or, something.

xoxo

Norman Fay, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Talking about minor 7ths, diminished 6ths and 9ths is FAR more interesting than just about anything DP has ever said in his entire life, methinks. Spacerock is all about 9ths.

masonic boom, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gawd, 'e's back again. (see "eagle" thread on ILM) Take a wild guess as to who he's getting at (again...)

xoxo

Norman Fay, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

as long as it stays on tossy threads about eagle and lee mavers, maybe it doesn't matter too much. containment, thats the name of the game.

gareth, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think you've got a point there, Gareth... BTW, when did you join the Lollies list and why haven't you posted? ;-)

Good god, I still just can't BELIEVE that he actually read over 4000 messages on the Lollies list. I mean, I can believe that he would put together his bizarre story about me and Alan McGee from the few references there have been to Radio4 and why we didn't play it... but what amazes me if the fact that that stuff was never ON the website. He clearly had to sub up to the Lollies list (and not the news list, but the actual gossip list which requires admin approval, as well) and read through at least 2000 posts to get that stuff. (considering the McGee incident happened back in November)

I'm really not sure whether I should be flattered at his dedication, or quite frankly scared at his obssessive stalkerdom. Paul often does bizniz with Poptones- I'm very tempted to have him ask McGee is Doompatrol is just stalking him.

Good god, I'm hungover from Sussed, I've got to go back to bed.

masonic boom, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

kate, i joined it about a month ago (many mentions of the lollies here and i didn't really know what it was all about, thought i'd have a look). i haven't really had a chance to look properly yet though.

could we have a brief synopsis of this mcgee episode? i, for one, am confused.

gareth, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, OK, Gareth, I wasn't pickin' on you, just curious. I don't post much myself there at the moment, coz, well, I've got more interesting things to do. Like get in flamewars over here... heh.

No, the McGee thing was... last year sometime, some of my friends' band played at Radio4, so we went down. (Radio4 is just about tolerable when it's free.) I got very drunk (imagine that) and spent about ten minutes talking to some ginger bloke at the bar, and didn't realise until I'd got my drinks and gone back to my mates that it was Alan McGee I'd been drunkenly rambling at. That's my Alan McGee story, fascinating, idnit? He gave our keyboardist boy advice. Do you think that qualifies me for friendship status, too? ;-)

A bit later, another friend's band who are actually on Poptones passed a copy of our EP to the bloke at Poptones who books the bands- Ian Hake, I think was his name? There was some discussion back and forth about us playing at Radio4, but in the end, we ended up not doing anything. (For various reasons which are actually quite boring.) After I'd been to Radio4 once or twice, and seen the reactions of the trendoid zombies (who are only there in case a Pop Star turns up) ignoring and talking over the bands we did see play there, we decided that not playing the gig had actually probably been for the best.

Is this evidence of a personal fued against McGee? Erm, that would be quite difficult seeing as some people can't get their facts right about who does what at Poptones. Sour grapes? Maybe to a small extent, but more just disgust with the general attitude that has contributed to a growing suspicion.

Oh, and was it you who was talking about the Rocket Girl compilation album?

masonic boom, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kate: I think Gareth (and me) is asking about the Alan McGee incident re Doom Patrol.

Also, I'm trying to decode the new email address, anyone understand it? Is that kt at the start isn't a reference to the lovely Ms Boom's address, or is that just 22esque pattern recognition?

Graham, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I read it as K. Tremaine etc = I haven't the slightest idea
Rather than Kt Remain E etc = none the wiser either

mark s, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yes it was me talking about the rocket girl cd and being a little disappointed (all quite nice, already had the best ones though). still the nice new flowchart album (well it had better be nice, its still in the wrapping) will hopefully be better.

i have actually been to radio 4 once, last year. someone i used to know in leeds was playing so we popped along. i don't remember much about it now, was ok i guess, but i think i'm still mourning the passing of Nesh (now that was a good club)

gareth, Saturday, 7 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What?! Nesh died? When? How come?!

Damn, I never even managed to go. I really really wanted to go to the one a while ago with brothomStates and Caustic Window (probably more for bStates than RDJ; that might be sacrilege, but brothomStates is my idol and is quite probably the person who got me interested in idm in the first place) but I couldn't make it. Every month I kept saying, "Well, next month I'll be there..."

It's only been going 5 or 6 months, hasn't it? Gutting. Bah. I should start getting out and DOING THINGS before they stop happening (is Sussed running forever or is it just a holiday thing or what?). Of course, if only it were actually that simple.

I will now go and listen to all my old brothomstates dune/orange mods in mourning and feel grumpy about the fact that I placed a huge order with s://kimo records (anyone used these guys recently?) which included some of his cd compilation appearances and various other stuff and I haven't got my confirmation of overseas postage rates email yet and so my order quite probably didn't go through.

rebecca, Saturday, 7 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

argh bloody doom patrol....he makes some snidey comment re ned raggett's hair/employment, (super furry animals thread on ILM) and idiot 'ere takes it the wrong way, (crediting DP w/10x more subtlety than is usually apparent) thinks it's funny, and posts to this effect. Thank goodness mr raggett is on this evidence a gracious & understanding sort....

Anyway, I've decided that in future my strategy will be to *LIKE* doom patrol, and because of this, try to get him into my favourite bands, IE

King Crimson

Peter Hammill/Van Der Graaf generator

Magazine

Dagmar Krause/Art Bears/Slapp Happy

I am deadly serious. Wish me lux0r :)

Rodice A. Olsun, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

brothomStates

what is this??? nesh finished, i believe, in may. it only ran for about 7 months. i'm not entirely sure why they stopped because it seemed to be popular and full every time. i managed to get to about 3 or 4 of them, it was a brilliant place, because the music was great, people were into it (dancing and shit), strange things (bjork dancing to bogdan?!?! - is he working on her new album?!?!?). may have ended because warp have taken it to america (why couldn't they carry on london as well?). i suppose i better get down to haywire sessions before that closes too

gareth, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Norman, you are wi0Xred. Fuckit, I can't do that kinda type... That is evil. No one should have Van Der Graaf wished upon them. ;-)

Gareth, you spoke too soon about him sticking to wanky threads about Lee Mavers. For fucks sake, when he starts to take over threads on bands like Sloan and SFA, it's like trying to have a conversation in a lunatic assylum again.

masonic boom, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Norman, you are wi0Xred. Fuckit, I can't do that kinda type...

Heh. Then let somebody else do the hard work for you

cut & paste this: =cw4t7abs into google to see how extreme hax0r- ese gets. Hours of puzzlement ahead....

That is evil. No one should have Van Der Graaf wished upon them. ;- )

RaVe, HoNK, SNoRT (steam comes out of ears) gah. God=Hammill, don't y'know...BBBY GLLSP->kate = Peter Hammill->Norman, so there...

x0x0

Norman Fay, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, and look how much abuse my dear Bobby G gets around here. Humph!

masonic boom, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bah, his insults are getting more tiresome/lame/yawn. Shhh? Come ooonnn...

Nicole, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He's kind of got a one-track mind, doesn't he? Not very bright.

I'm really beginning to wonder, though, based on his "psychotic and mentally ill people make the best music" assertations is A) he actually is mentally ill, or suffering from some sort of compulsive disorder, or Tourettes or something or B) he is using this idolisation of "psychotic" people as a justification of his own rudeness and bad behaviour.

::yawns:: He's not as funny as he used to be, is he? Really needs to come up with some new attention seeking behaviour if he wants to hold our attentions.

masonic boom, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He's off to check out van der graaf generator, though isn't he? I'll make a progger of him yet heheheheheheheheheh (etc)

Norman fay, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can't believe you're doing it, Norman. The scary thing is, he doesn't actually listen to anything anyone says. All he wants is for you to agree with him. So if you agree with him, you can probably lead him anywhere. What a knob.

masonic boom, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I know I'm easily amused, but I thought the "SHHHHH!"-fit was HYSTERICAL.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I will ask v. silly questions about brain faggots, confusion is good for his sort.

Nicole, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hmm, Oompah-loompahtrol. The Dud that thinks he's a Dude.

Like Kate, I felt a bit stalked when he attacked me and got too personal, without revealing anything about himself that would make him identifiable by name. That is the internet version of not being able to take what you dish out, not to mention the real-life version of attacking someone with profile outside the board due to some kind of resentment about that. He probably has a much thinner skin that you'd think (novelists generally do) so when it comes his turn for reviews he's not going to be a happy bunny, even if they're good, which I doubt very much on the basis of his posts.

suzy, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

His novel which will presumably come out in ten or 20 quite short overlapping and/or repetitive sections, on successive days, attributed to a succession of apparently different (but stylistially sadly similar) authors.

mark s, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fnarr. Mark, where do I find the bit where you reduced him to smoking rubble? Using the luuuurve truncheon of Captain Ready-Brek?

suzy, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Certainly here: my inadvertent masterpiece (thread ident = 005bis = lucky power puff girls ref!!

Plus somewhat here

But here remains to be seen.

He does now seem to be a little leery of me: but there may be a law of diminishing returns. When we first tangled — P•ptones thread, long deleted — he did what he did with Kate: chased my name up and down the net and came back with unnerving info. Stalker-wise, he is bi.

mark s, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well done. A reward is in order. I'll give you a hint:

It lives in heaven, and I have its home phone number.

suzy, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

what do you mean stalked. Thisis creppy give me more info.

anthony, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Basically, if you have a creative or media profile outside this board, the silly ming insults you by denigrating your work in the most abusive but least imaginative way possible. As far as I can tell, that's the only thing the people he attacks have in common.

More bark than bite, actually; K, M and me have all given him a good virtual bitch-slap. Hope nobody else has to.

suzy, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Okay this might make me an idiot but who has a profile outside this site. Are we talkign blogs or bands ?

anthony, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't think it's fair that Doom Patrol gets a classic or dud but not neuromancer/Gondola Bob/Hey Buddy. I mean, honestly.

Ally, Tuesday, 10 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yeh, but gondola bob is before my time. where did gondola bob actually post anyway, on what site i mean?

neuromancer/heybuddy only abused some people though, and there was (initially) some kind of point to what he was saying. and he went away when he said he would.

this guy hates everyone!! and his stalking can't be that good, he threatened robins career (doesn't have one) and said my depeche mode piece was the worst he'd ever read (i have never written a depeche mode piece) if you really wanted, i guess you could googlerize the poptones thread and look at their cached version (assuming that still exists, google take ages to update these days). its probably best not to bother though.

gareth, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I wonder if he knows that we keep him, like a pet, and discuss his idiocy. He'd probably be complimented.

The stalking stuff really creeped me out, at first I thought maybe he was my psycho ex-boyfriend (which would make it more obvious why he would assume my current BF's name) but he's got nothing like the same taste in music. I really honestly just think he's pathologically jealous of anyone who is actually successful at doing what it is he'd so much like to be doing- ie, being a professional journalist or writer, or else being in a band that plays anywhere outside his garage.

He did actually mention his real name on the Poptones thread, it's Paul something... (ironic that) hang on...

Paul Brownell what happens if you google that? Closest I've found is a Paul Brownell reviewing something on a Poptones page, but it's 404-ing on me. Could this be him about halfway down: http://www.poptones.co.uk/soundoff/reviewfeb.shtml

Seems kinda similar to a towned-down (read: EDITED) version of a DP rant? Yeah, it's him, cause there's a Paul Brownell ranting on the Ed Harcourt message board with exactly the same style and faked email addresses. Oh yes, this is him on the Poptones site, because he's going on about "O You With The Flowers".

He hasn't done any reviews recently, not since March, that's for sure. Hmmmm. I don't see him mentioned anywhere else on the site.

Ironically, Paul Brownell was also one of the first church-sanctioned gay marriages.

masonic boom, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If you know who he is, does that make it easier or harder? Are you chuffed to figure it out, or more concerned because it becomes more *real*?

chris, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm glad to find out that it really is a separate entity from the stalker ex I thought it was. Knowledge is power, it's very easy for stalker fucks to hide behind annonymity on the internet. It's ultimately more for my satisfaction than anything else. It would be ironic to use the same information back at him in the way that he uses it against others, but where would the sport in that be?

masonic boom, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think DP said at one point that Paul Brownell was not in fact his real name either, and was saying silly things like "But who is Paul really? Eh?" -- implying he is massively famous and we should be careful who we were fucking with, etc.

Gond@la B@b is indeed before most people on ile's time and best kept that way. He actually posts (dully) about music occaisonally on usenet, but seems to get more pleasure out of stirring the pot and upsetting people by means of various insults. Very nasty and misogynistic - not as silly as dp, and ten times more creepy. Also a warning to peeps not to actually spell out his name thanks to google - - some people might want a war w/him but I don't want him showing up here.

Nicole, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Christ, is this Keyser Soze we're talking about? All this subterfuge & hoo-hah to post clandestinely about pop music - some people need to get out more. Or start a band & work out their aggressions.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Have just noticed that DP's recent 'lunatic fringe' thread has been deleted from ILM - don't tell me there's been another outbreak of hostilities over there...

Andrew L, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't get all this bullshit. What the hell does anyone care who posts and who doesn't? Is it that hard to just ignore someone if it's gone beyond "Oh, this is amusing crap" to it actually upsetting you? I have a hard time comprehending this because if the person is truly freaking you out why not just ignore them, because that's what they're after. It's with all of them, I don't get the point of misspelling people's names to prevent them from "finding us" like we're an insular little clique that can't take some outsider insulting us - if GB is that sad - which he hasn't proven to be yet - then it's pretty easy to ignore him (isn't that what everyone basically did on Usenet?). If Doom Patrol wants to carry on, just ignore him and he'll get over himself. Neuro left after he started getting completely ignored. *shrugs*

Ally, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

98% of the time I would agree but since I got some serious email abuse from the guy I would rather just not see him here. Maybe I should develop a thicker skin, but I would prefer not to deal with it if I don't have to.

Nicole, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

if this gb is bad as what people say i don't want him posting here either, it'll only take dp to google himself and eventually he'll find this. yeh you can ignore him, but not everyone does, so it turns nasty and whatever people were talking about just gets lost and it turns into a thread *about* that person. what should happen and what does happen as different things. the class and race one was interesting. ended as abuse. who wants that?

i recommended ile/ilm to a friend who hasn't posted here. she saw all that poptones business and said ilm was too aggressive and wasn't for her, she hasn't looked since. so, we lose a potential poster, no big deal. maybe. i think she would have had good stuff to say. seeing these big arguments going on isn't exactly welcoming to newcomers. if you discovered ilm/ile today and you saw that, would you stay, or just look at other stuff??? i'd probably just think, 'not for me'.

i never bothered with message boards before, too much aggression. ilm/ile struck me as different, i'd like it to stay that way.

gareth, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

brothomStates = Lassi Nikko, who has an album and an EP planned for Warp and played live at Nesh in, ooh, must have been April or May. He's only had tracks available on cd for a year or so now, but he's been releasing ambientish tracked music modules for about a decade under the name "dune", often as part of the demogroup orange (he did the soundtracks for a lot of orange demos).

(Brief explanation: demos = using devious coding and optimisation skills to wring impressive high-speed graphical effects out of computers, all calculated and rendered in realtime, quite impressive in the days of 386s, can still pack things you'd expect by modern games programming standards to take up half a cd into a teeny tiny executable [see 4k/16k intros, 64k demos], more info here; trackers = old-fashioned sample-based music sequencers, started on Amiga in late 80s, gained popularity on PCs in early 90s when soundcards became more commonplace, led to an internet/bbs-based free music scene of people distributing their tracks in the original tracker format, somewhat grainy sounding due to sample size restrictions imposed by hardware/software limitations but sounded much better than the built- in fm synthesis/midi of the soundcards and was all available free, much cheaper than buying decent sampler or synth; Urban Hype's "Trip To Trumpton" and Bogdan Raczynski's "Samurai Math Beats" and "Boku Mo Wakaran" & many other tracks known outside the scene apparently done using just trackers...)

dune's seen as one of the best tracker musicians around; he's definitely been an influence on ex-scene artists like Bogdan R, Lackluster and md (you can hear samples taken from dune modules in Bogdan's work, apparently; since the modules themselves are distributed - "open source" music, if you like - you can hear what samples are used individually, save them for use in your own tracks, see how the music's put together, etc), and people like to think that even before those three artists got proper record deals bStates had had some impact on artists not actively involved in the scene. Either way, he's written some great music. So, that's why he's a bit of a hero of mine, and that's why I'm looking forward to his Warp stuff, glad he's finally getting some recognition from such a high-profile label, and only slightly disappointed that it's taken so long...

Top dune recommendations for those of you who can play tracked modules (winamp will play them, mostly reasonably accurately): control e, arsa bamk, astral ian breakside, ~k, mark aj pisses off, nang, alterraid, bathroom tests. Most of those can be found here. Maybe it sounds dated, maybe nobody here will like this stuff, but, sheesh. Imagine that it's long before the days of soundcards capable of cd-quality audio being available for the home user, the vast majority of the noises you've heard coming out of your crappy 8-bit soundcard have been its horrible tinny fm-synthesised midi soundset, and you find a 20-300k file lurking uncredited on a magazine coverdisk as part of a couple of demos, and it sounds like THAT. That's all I can say, really...

rebecca, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

When I first had my runin with DP, I was genuinely upset- more because he triggered nasty stalker flashbacks than any he actually said. These days, I find him more amusing than anything else, it's like carcrash sort of mentality- can't actually look away. He's not actually intelligent or articulate enough to do any serious damage, it's like watching the amusing antics of a rowdy 2 year old, or a small dog, as Mark S once compared him.

I am worried, however, about what Gareth says- that he will dissuade new posters from contributing, thinking that this is a confrontational hellhole, rather than one raving lunatic and a bunch of people ignoring him, or occasionally prodding him when they're bored.

But, I mean, it takes a quite thick skin to be involved in almost any internet forum. I still think ILM/E is better than average, cause it's got only one real troll, and he's clearly a raving lunatic. That's a pretty good average.

I think the whole "but who is Paul anyway..." thing was the rus. I think he googled himself and realised how easy it would be to stalk him in the same way that he was stalking others, and wanted us to think he was anything more than a raving indie fanboy with a hardon for poptones.

I'm absolutely fascinated. It's a really interesting study to have such a person in a jar.

masonic boom, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I just want to echo everything gareth said.

(Oh, also: I deleted the psychosis in pop thread on ILM not because he was being offensive - just because it was a repeat thread and I had pointed everyone in the direction of the original one. When I mentioned deleting the thread, DP was fine about it. I just took a while to do it because I was off-line.)

Nick, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have just noticed a recent and disturbing pattern... he seems to be able to KILL any thread, no matter how busy it was before, simply by appearing and posting on it. Probably cause no one wants a fight.

Which is a cryin' shame when it's actually a thread about 60s Garage Psych that I was really enjoying previously.

masonic boom, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes exactly Kate - DP basically turns nasty whenever you dare not to share his incoherent/v. crude vision of 'true rock'n'roll', and I don't have the stomach/nerve for the fight. I want dialectic - quite happy to have my mind changed by a good demolition of my 'ideas'/opinions - not verbal fisticuffs. So I stay out of his way (ditto Neurobuddy).

Andrew L, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Don't worry, if any of these rowdy buggers turn up here they'll have me to deal with, as I AM THE LAW!

DG, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

GAZE INTO THE FIST OF DEEGE!

mark s, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Doompatrol seems to spend his entire life set to number 4.

DG, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Number four on a scale of what, dare I ask?

masonic boom, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, it's another saddo Judge Dredd reference - a baddie called Mean Machine has a dial (with 4 settings) on his forehead that makes him go increasingly bananas the further it is turned.

DG, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Doomintroll awakes!! He that yet slept is among us once more!! Unwary Ned traced a rune in the dust and lies slain and weltering, the very flesh sucked from his face...

"The spectre was from Chorazina!! (I've waited since Caesar for this-uh!!)"

mark s, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I saw, but wasn't going to say. He seems to be acting civilly for the moment.

suzy, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Er, well: pop by Thats Pretty. Unless you have a musclier take on "civlised" than me.

mark s, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, he was doing OK...then Ned had to start on him, didn't he? Round one to DP, sadly. Come on Ned, SMASH HIM!

DG, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, fuck, I hadn't looked since yesterday. Baa-ack like the Shining, indeed. If that man ever has the unfortunate bad luck to meet me face to face following what he said, I will knuckledust while channeling the complete works of bastard David fucking Mamet. In stilettos.

suzy, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sigh.

You know, last week, in the haze of a hangover, Paul and I were watching one of those post-Woodhousian "When pets go bad!" type programmes on BBC2, and they had this DOG which behaved just like DP. Their reccomendation was just to ignore the dog, no matter how bad its behaviour got, and it would eventually calm down.

I really was beginning to think that it was working, until that last outburst at Ned. Where the HELL did that come from?

I don't know, maybe I'm evil, but I actually think that out of control, ranting about god knows what Doompatrol is far more amusing than the nicely behaved doompatrol. Because neither his musical taste nor his commentary on that musical taste in particularly interesting in and of itself. When he flies off the handle for his own hallucinatory reasons, that is amusing. Unless you're at the receiving end.

All I have to say is, Ned, the way to get back at him is not to explode back, but to call him on how much effort he spends finding ways to get to you. He's practically stopped bugging me (knock on wood) since I realised that the only reason he spends so much time investigating me and Ver Lolleez is cause he's clearly in love with me, and telling him so.

masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I claim today as my day to play with DP. But he's not getting irate. Go see the Primal Scream thread on ILM.

DG, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He's even being nice to me. I don't understand it, and I'm slightly confused and mistrustful of it, but I encourage it while it lasts. He actually made me laugh out loud on the Primal Scream thread. Let's hope that snarling at Ned was the aberration, and not him being nice...

masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

To be honest I don't think he really has any respect for people or their opinions, so no matter what he was to say now I can't look kindly on him or take him seriously.

Nicole, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i can only agree with nicole on this. i wouldn't tolerate this kind of thing *in person*, why here? in person though, a bemused raised eyebrow and leaving can be sufficient. here is another matter.

gareth, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

$10 says that most people here wouldn't do much of anything when confronted with it in person, actually.

Ally, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Getting up and walking out of the room would be the best option in person, as Gareth says. Rather impossible on the internet, as there's no way on the internet to stop them following you out the room and down the street...

I just say use positive reinforcement and encourage him when he's friendly and ignore him when he's an ass.

masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What's there to do? Trying to show him up would most likely egg the bastard on. The best thing is to ignore & shun without exerting a visible effort

I could use $10, though. I need it to buy Josh his pint.

David Raposa, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So, wait, what we're saying is to DO WHAT I SAID TO DO IN THIS SITUATION in person? Cheers, mates.

Ally, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Someone help on ILM (Aug meet-up thread), he's being strange at me.

DG, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I would help, DG, but I'm too busy laughing at the bizarre tableau.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Isn't there a monster on star trek which feeds off pure evil energy? Now more than ever I do not believe he is anything BUT the virtual manif of our collective crap emotions.

Also: we have hipped him now to the existence of ILE. And so when he has finished dancing his present jig of pure vile glee, he WILL COME FOR US. He will come for us if he is clever enough.

mark s, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

To get one up on the arch-pedant, I'll say:
Yes, the episode you're thinking of is 'Day Of The Dove' from the original Star Trek. Ha ha!
How do we know DP isn't already among us?

DG, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

We can defeat him with love .

anthony, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

just bored at work, kiddos..

and i have found it rather amusing.

51 posts about me! that kicks arse!

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

must say...

this thread has been fascinating. hahhahahaah...

really, i don't think about this at all, I love music and such, it just kills time at a boring temp job.

see ya...

(walks away muttering 'People are fascinating when they are bitter')...

ps. paul brownell was a faked up name from that gay sanctioned marriage.

good call!

thought it wouild be a funny in joke.

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

rebecca, i can't find any of this brothrom states stuff, what stuff is out there, or do i have to wait for the warp release? (when is this out?)

gareth, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Response: Ktremaine is my dead mother's name. Tremaine is her maiden name.

Hmmm...

So much hatred.

Anything else?

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Suffice to say, yer comments do not bother me. Amazed really. It's the internet.

But must respond to these various postings before I go...

1. Am I an idiot?

Don't think so...

Right now, I have, three respected authors giving me advice about my book. I have graduated top of my class at a well respected university. I gave up a $60,000.00 a year job to write. I am going places with my life. Right now, I'm at a temp job. I am bored and i find it fascinating that I have run across pretensious bitter people and wanted to 'shake things up'....for my own amusement. Sad. But better than surfing the internet. And I have learned alot about human nature.

2. I'm a very kind person. Not like the internet character I have been running for the past couple of months. You do not know me. I have humanity and am an empathic person.

3. Stalking? Nah. People at I love music have set themselves up to be experts. I did research. Wanted to see the validity of those opinions. When I saw nothing fantastic/fabulous, I doubted the opinions even more.

4. Career in music worth killing? Hardly. I have nothing to do with music. Why? Because it is populated with folks like you.

5. Deluded? Maybe? I have had a fantastic life. Extreme highs and lows. Been called a genius/maniac/arsehole...and I respect them all.

6. Well...it's been fun moderating my own 'Hate Club'...unpublished as of yet and I've got my first experience with bad press. It's been fun and wanted to see how far it would go. I made a point of stopping when the hate club ran into fifty posts.

Anyways.

Love and flowers.

doompatrol.

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

in case you are not aware...

you were M.A.N.I.P.U.L.A.T.E.D.

Congratulations!

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oddly, I'm unsurprised. You're not very good at manipulating love, that's why I like you, personally.

Ally, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oddly, I think I did, Ally.

It's been a good exercise for me.

And hey! I liked you as well. Time is done here for now...

Have a good life, Ally....

And I may tell you my Manics story someday.

Seeya.

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

please do not feed the delusional troll

anthony, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Back again!

Right.

Delusional.

What do you know about me?

Nothing.

Suzy is right, my wife pointed it out to me that I do have a very thin skin. It's been a great exercise.

But what do you know about me?

Again.

You know nothing about me.

And it's a shame, cause I'm a great guy.

(twenty minutes left to go home...)

Teehee.

Delusional. From 1993 - 1999 delusional. But how was I delusional? It's been a laugh! That is what you really don't understand. I have made people paranoid, concoct bizarre theories about me...etc..etc..

Based on lies and misinformation.

It's been a damn good laugh!

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and the sheer amount of effort and time that you have given to me! genius. again, based on my own lies and misinformation.

It's made me feel....

Dunno....

Important...that I can reach out to egotists and actually have them start a thread about me, scan my posts and discuss them.

Bloody hell!

: - D

It's what I wanted!

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dude hey, I still like you and your weirdly formatted posts that come in short multiple orgasmic bursts, what is that about? I dunno, I figured you'd get bored of acting stupid and winding up people eventually but I'll miss ya. You don't have a Manics story though I bet.

Ally, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

basically, if I can provoke R.E.A.C.T.I.O.N.

With writing...that is what I was trying to PROVE to myself. As mentioned above, I have thin skin. . . wanted to see if I can get REACTION. And I have, from ... well .... very large egos.

And really...

I have said goodbye many times before...but today is the last day.

It's been good fun.

Thank you all and good night!

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wait, I never talked to "doom patrol"

Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ps.

Manics story: A friend of mine slept with JDB. Very large cock. Made love to his cock not JDB. And was very nice to her aftewards.

Ten minutes...

Anything else.

Yeah, but it was on purpose, Ally. The weirdly formatted posts, designed to help me, just get things out...WRITE...at work.

Money is gone but I'm getting some at the end of the month. So this job is gone gone by byes...

Yeah, I found you to be honest and soulful.

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, plenty have done that, I was hoping maybe you also knew the story about the dog.

Ally, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ally...

The reason how I knew the majority of the people that I do know, is that when, after my friend collasped of brain tumour in front of me, it shook me out of my life and into this life. We were walking back to her class and then she just fell asleep into a coma....

After that, I set down and wrote to every, EVERY influence in my life. About my life. Before it was there, drug addicted, bored office worker, but after that, I had my eyes opened to life and how beautiful it is....

The letters proved successful.

I had gotten a response from everyone that I sent out.

The responses from people at i love music were an experiment. I did get bored of it and was going to stop it but found the existant of this thread fascinating to say the least...

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

anyways...

bye ally...

bye bye bye bye...

the world needs ally.

don't forget that.

I RESPECT you.

bye bye bye.

xxxxx

doompatrol23@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

THis thread is disturbingly final

Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Stop trying to get the last word.

I do want a t-shirt that says "THE WORLD NEEDS ALLY". I have one that says "ALL ROCK 'N' ROLL IS HOMOSEXUAL", I could figure a way to wear them together.

Ally, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, y'know, Doomie, actually I disagree. Cuz I know abt you, honey. I saw you straight from the START, thru to the bone: "Tremendously vain and peevish, none too bright, none too toilet-trained." Oh yes, that was mean and VERY uncalled-for, but it was on the nose — after what? Two hours? Didn't need "information" to get to that: waddaya call it? Intuition? Or maybe I just never forget ANYTHING I read: I'm old, Doomie, none of this — none of THAT [points vaguely] is new to me. "He is coming," I said: and he came. Oh, you can lie abt who you "are", but you can't lie about who you ARE. Hey, y'know, you're a liar — well, you're comfortable with that yrself, so no big. Fiction = fiction = fiction. 1-6 above = more easy-to-spot lies? Who cares: a million bad books already exist, one more can't hurt. "Three respected novelists": heh. Y're a coward: you can't hide that. You're unsettled by women: you can't hide that. Yr grasp of, um, "human nature": well, easy for you to say you've learned, we can all SAY we've learned, but, y'know, no evidence for it anywhere. None you'd dare show: shall I say. You've said a coupla funny things, lover: you said one today, while you were gloating. But five or six in how many months?

Everyone's an egotist, doomie. Ain't a novelist here or gone who's not an egotist. Ain't a writer here or gone who's not an egotist. But for all that ya never once dared show us the actual writer, the actual writing. Never once. Never once. The game was easy: I'm guessing I'd probably picked you up by second post — after all, let's not go boasting — under each new pseudo. The Courtney L*ve one's the one I'm proud of: one post, and I called it, and I marked it. It's there in the thread. "????????????????": just like that. You never coughed to that name — but *I* knew. What did I miss Doomie? Which time didn't I know ya? Course I can always lie.

Writing's like a mask: one day you make to take it off, and the face has grown to fit. A mask is just a mask, Doomie: but I saw thru to your face. You know that I know that you know that. Lie for me, lover, lie like you do. Lie yourself back into not knowing that.

mark s, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So, DP, who are you really and when's the book out? Come on, play fair, you've researched people on here so it's only fair we get something in return.

DG, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the thing that is interesting about all this, is the reaction of everyone. all message boards have at least one macho/antagonistic poster (is troll the right word?). the thing is, what does a *community* do about this kind of thing. dp is only one, there will be others (we've been here before with neuromancer, there'll be others in the future - they're part and parcel of an unregulated internet space).

personally, i don't think collectively the dp situation was managed well at all. obviously, as dp states, he was looking for a reaction. i think most people knew this, but gave it to him anyway. the question i guess is why. all through life there are macho and aggressive people, certainly on the internet where you can hide, shouldn't people have been able to handle this better.

overall, i'm still mystified as to why people want to do this kind of thing, it took a lot of everybodys time (including dps). provoking this kind of reaction is easy enough (try it, go on any message board/site and repeatedly call all the people sad fucks - strangely people don't enjoy it very much).

i guess you could say this has been interesting, but surely before it all began it was already quite clear what would happen (look at any troll on any message board)

presumably this is all over now, but there will be other confrontationalist posters who attack for their own purposes in the future (sadly this is the way of the anonymous internet although i don't know how anonymous it is really - it would be very easy for anyone to find my full name and address if they wanted)

personally, i now believe, in the future, abusive posts should just be deleted, there isn't really point. i guess it comes down to what kind of board you want, an inclusive atmosphere that welcomes disparate opinion, or a shouting match where the loudest voice *wins* (wins what exactly?).

this will happen again (dp is hardly the worse of the machomen out there), perhaps it should be dealt with better next time?

gareth, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think that is one of the most well mesured responses. I think deleting may be censorship though and i do not belive in it at all. I think we need to ignore.

anthony, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd agree with anthony, except that watching Mark S. and other verbally talented foax have a go at it is just so much fun.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I got erection

Nick, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jeeez... Doompatrol, this thread was started as bait nearly a month ago, and it took your ego this long to find it? Not doing very well, are you?

masonic boom, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gareth: As far as I know, the release dates of the Warp album/EP aren't confirmed yet. I'll check that tonight when I have a look at the Warp website to see if that new AFX 2-track cd is still available and try to pre-order it; the WarpMart didn't seem to work when I tried last night. Apart from his stuff as dune/orange (not released on cd), he's only appeared on a few compilations - I only have one or two of those myself - and the mp3s for download at the bottom of the front page of http://www.brothomstates.com/ .

As for the older dune/orange stuff, if you want to hear it and can't find it then I'll gladly do you a tape of the stuff I have. Most of it is pretty old now (and I prefer the old stuff, personally... some of the recent stuff I've heard has been a bit too, hmm, Jarre- ish/oldschool demomuzaky for my tastes) and I can't guarantee that anyone else would like it, it may well be one of those things which hasn't aged well and won't make sense in retrospect, but if you or anyone else here would like a tape then drop me an email.

(If anyone is worrying about the legality of offering to do this on such a public forum then I should point out that the tracks I'm offering to tape were made freely available over the internet by the original author, so hopefully it isn't an issue...)

rebecca, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Doom Patrol issue 23: introduced a character who "lived on the pain and suffering of others", AND was named after a Jam B-Side.

Tom, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I liked Moon Patrol

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice.

Sonny, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Getting back to Mr Doom Patrol, does anyone have a good example of a thread where he acts in a generally annoying manner? I've only seen posts from him/her in one or two threads, and they seemed relatively innocuous, certainly not as annoying as [insert your name here]'s posts.

The Dirty Vicar, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Has anyone tried comparing the ISP numbers of recently departed Doompatrol with those of the recent arrival, Everett True? Or is my imagination too fertile for my own good? I've not read enough of DP to make a judgement, but ET is a very funny kind of guy.

Johnathan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Your imagination is too fertile. And the hosts are different anyway.

Josh, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What a shame.

Johnathan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

fascinating! its happening again! its pretty much the same argument as the other guy. i think a very similar outcome is probably likely. what is interesting is that there is something about the very nature of analysis/discussion that a number of people dislike, and not just analysis/discussion, but the idea that other people might like doing it.

but at the same time, its not enough to say "thats not for me", despite the dislike of the forum, there is obviously something that keeps people who are anti-forum here. at a guess, i'm presuming that people who engage this way are primarily looking for REACTION (of any sort). it will be interesting this time to see how long it prolongs before reaction is no longer forthcoming and pastures new are required.

gareth, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gareth: I would like to try and calm things down, cuz NS is *not* yet as bad as doompatrol AT ALL. He has given of himself: exposed his opinions to the world; give him a fair shake. It ain't right to punish him for REMINDING us of DP. And seeing the WHOLE BOARD TURN AS ONE TO STOMP NS makes me queasy. Esp. as — adolescent tone apart, and stupid "pseudo-intellectual" stuff — I actually AGREED with his first post re OBJECTIVITY vs SUBJECTIVITY, that its abstraction was severely missing the point.

Anyway, I am attempting to broker peace on the STROKES thread. See how that goes.

mark s, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mark s. don't worry, i have no plans of repeating what happened last time (and have attempted all my posts to be rational and on subject)

gareth, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

[DG looks at the floor and says nothing...]

DG, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mark S: I don't agree with you re. 'whole board stomping as one'. I don't (can't) do things as part of a whole board, just on me own, like. My first experience of the geezer (whom I have never confused with DP - clearly no connection) was being attacked by him in a very stupid and offensive manner. Since then, I have seen him attack a load of other people even more stupidly and offensively. Replies to this have been rather restrained.

I don't agree with his "arguments" either. If he wants to start saying sensible and helpful things, grate. But he has not, to my knowledge, done so yet.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pinefox: you are right, re "as one", but I bet HE didn't see it like that. I still haven't tracked down where you earned your Gold Star? Best left buried, I spose, 'cept I am shallow gossip-maven with jones for bitchin'

mark s, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

*SIGH* DP's back on ILM. The Lee Mavers thread has been strangely resurrected and then followed by a post in support of DP.

DG, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nah! That's Murphy, a big music fan from Ireland and he is a Lee Mavers obsessive.

Tim Edgeworth, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, fair enough, it's just that he commited the two crimes of 1) DP style formatting, and 2) being friendly to DP. 2 especially is usually a sign of DP's presence, because no-one likes him.

DG, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It pains me to admit this, because no doubt you'll all laugh at me, but on the "Primal Scream" thread on ILM, I was actually starting to, errr, y'know, like him. A bit. Hmmmmm....

x0x0

Norman Fay, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four weeks pass...
Classic all the way baaabbbbyyyy.....

doomie, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

JuST iN KaSe We'D, eR, FoRGoTTeN, oR SoMeTHiNG LiKe.....

NoRMaN FaY, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

*phew*

glad you didnt. I can randomly abuse people if you want to remind everyone of my great *moihahhhahahaha* power...

*raised eyebrow*

doomie, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh come on, someone *still* must hate the darkside of I Love Everything....someone? anyone....hello...*echo* *echo* Remember I am the dark one...

Anyone?

doomie, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

someone? anyone? colin clarke a.k.a masonic boom restart this thread again! I demand you! Remember me? I'm daft *but* evil...come on....anyone?

doomie, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh come on....I know you want to insult me...come on now...this isnt fair....umm....I'll start it off: NYSNC pre-manufactured pop....delia darbyshire was the ayn rand of pop. writers? more like school tabloid journalists...anyone?

*echo echo echo echo*

doomie, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

*tapping foot impatiently*

doomie, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

*yawn*

DG, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

WHERE THA FUKK IS MY BROTHROMSTATES TAPE? heh

gareth, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

seriously though Rebecca, now that this Brothromstates thread has been revived, you have no excuse;)

gareth, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Eek. Yes. Sorry. None of the excuses I had were very good anyway, and they're all too boring to inflict on you. There were slight technical complications, but not enough to form an excuse for it taking THIS long. I'm not very good at doing people tapes: I mean, I almost always do them eventually but they always take months. Sorry. I decided that this time I would be organised and then I failed miserably. Right, consider me reminded.

(Hello, rest of board. Sorry.)

Rebecca, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

DG?

Have you ever thought of workinig out or dieting...errr...yer kind of a fatty.

doomie..., Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

TRY To Be NiCe, PauL.

xoxo

Norman Fay, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry, Norman and DG, just slipped out! Cranky this morning...I'll bitchslap myself later.

: - 0

doomie, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually...

*sally jesse rapheal time*

I've not worked out or boxed (I box at a club in Toronto) in four months. Feel guilty myself.......and yes, I projected that guilt onto someone else.......

doomie, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

PLLLEAAAASSEEE FORGIVE ME!!!! ARRGGHghghghAARrghghghghgh....*gurgle wiping back snot* PLEASE!!!

doomei, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

O.k.

I have my dignity now. I'm back to evil doomie.

*moihahahhhahamoihahahahaha*

doomie, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, I am a fattie and, no, I don't care. Be as rude as you like.

DG, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm fatter than you, DG, and I don't care either.

Viva ben & Jerry's

xoxo

norman fay, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh bloody hell....

do you think I really care? I was just having fun! christ. I really do mean it.

I think society places pressure, undo pressure on body shapes and sizes when that is what makes the world interesting.

I used to be really fat until I did alot of amphetimine in my youth.

So, honestly, forget what I said. I just like the word fatty. You can't talk that away from me!

doomie, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry again..

Just thought DG would insult me back.....gawd! *lapsed catholic guilt*

I'm terrible at being evil....

grrr...

doomie, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, you want an insult, eh? Righto...erm...um...you can't ride a bike without stabilisers.

DG, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Right...

I was eight before I had the stabilizers off of my bike. True! I couldnt ride a bike with shite, it wasnt until late teens that co- ordination kicked in for me...

doomie, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ten months pass...
see!

davidh(owie), Saturday, 20 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, I lied to irritate as I was working a very dull job at the time and internet drama kept me going. *hands up*

doomie, Saturday, 20 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and i never did get my brothromstates tape!

gareth, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...
Yes, I lied to irritate as I was working a very dull job at the time and internet drama kept me going. *hands up*

-- doomie (doompatrol@h...), July 20th, 2002.
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You really are one sick son of a bitch.

Gina Harp, Sunday, 17 November 2002 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

*yawn*

gina, let's just drop it here. christ, resurrecting this thread is so 2001. for the record, i have met, and rather liked, the main protagonists on this thread, mark s, suzy and kate.

it's a done deal.

reading over it, it's just silly.

doom-e, Sunday, 17 November 2002 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

rebecca is my buddy on soulseek and norman, i've emailed sporadically....and would go out for a coffee with him if he ever got his arse down to London.

doom-e, Sunday, 17 November 2002 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

what was this guy's deal?

gershy, Friday, 17 August 2007 05:20 (eighteen years ago)

none of your business

electricsound, Friday, 17 August 2007 08:01 (eighteen years ago)

he was a fucking awful d-bag with some music biz connections (i think) that meant people wouldn't tell him to gtfo.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 17 August 2007 08:47 (eighteen years ago)

ha about two thirds in they discuss, i think, nick southall. that terror!

acrobat, Friday, 17 August 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Just thought I'd post this review of the collected Doom Patrol; I have to waste a lot of time explaining what it is, but there's room for an idea or two: http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2008summer/doompatrol.shtml

singingdetective, Monday, 1 September 2008 18:06 (seventeen years ago)

i notice doomie is trolling the mbv board now

electricsound, Tuesday, 2 September 2008 00:01 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

Um:

DOOM PATROL #7
On Sale February 3 • 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US
Written by Keith Giffen • Co-feature written by Keith Giffen & J.M. DeMatteis • Art and cover by Matthew Clark Co-feature art by Kevin Maguire
Oolong Island is picking up the pieces after the Black Lanterns’ devastating attack. Former Patrol member Crazy Jane finds the island first, bearing terrifying news of what’s to come... Plus, more Metal Men!

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:04 (fifteen years ago)

anyone know what doompatrol is up to these days?

NI, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 10:22 (fifteen years ago)

couldn't give a flying fuck

electrical audio's sm57 (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 10:25 (fifteen years ago)

twelve years pass...

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that Doom Patrol's 2021 season is nominated in the ILX TV poll, with voting ending this weekend:

ILX's Best Television of 2021 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends After January 31, 2022

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (3 minimum, 25 maximum, ranked by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 20:56 (three years ago)

two years pass...

https://i.imgur.com/hyEhtaE.jpeg

calstars, Sunday, 17 November 2024 23:02 (eleven months ago)


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