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So I became the proud owner of a shiny new iPod yesterday....for FREE! Of course it doesn't work on win98. Or does it? Do I need to upgrade?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 8 September 2003 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Buy an iMAC. Then you can also be the proud owner of iTUNES. :-)

― nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 8 September 2003 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

This is meant to work from win 98 up, but only the early version. He's trying to see if people want 95 and 98 support.

All other little utils seem to be win 2000 and up, unfortunately.

If you do look at another computer, consider a mac. eMac's are pretty cheap and N. will attest to its quality.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

What one is the eMac? The ~~ugly~~ beautiful one which is just a monitor sat on top of a half-sphere base? How cheap are these?

― David. (Cozen), Monday, 8 September 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I love asking questions which I could easily answer myself using google or ebay.

― David. (Cozen), Monday, 8 September 2003 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, that's pretty cheap. I wouldn't mind a desktop Mac but do I really need one (currently running iBook: G3 600 Mhz, 640 MB RAM, 20 GB HD)?

― David. (Cozen), Monday, 8 September 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

that's the iMac, which is due for an update as early as this lunchtime (the apple store being off-line for updating when I checked prices)

A further check shows that iMacs start at £999 inc VAT and eMacs from £649 (source micro anvika)

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still using my venerable powerbook G3 (500Mhz, 640Mb, 12Gb HD) and have no problems apart from the pitifully small hard disk (my first HD was 20Mb). I'm not likely to upgrade until the powerbook G5 appears.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Those eMacs are pretty cheap. Mmm. I hope my checque is FAT.

I don't need one. I don't need one. I don't need one.

Powerbook G5!!!

― David. (Cozen), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I like my eMac but do wonder about the upgradablity of it sometimes (I think I can add RAM but that's about it).

Having seen various jukebox programs on PCs, I can confirm that they are absolutely appalling compared to iTunes. Surely it's possible to write something similar for Windows?

I have many issues with my iPod though, great as it is. For a start it's getting all scuffed up after only a fortnight - do they expect me to keep it in that ridiculous pouch all the time? I know I could use the remote, but that's even more of a faff, finding something to clip it onto and taking off all the time.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

There are rubber iPod sheaths available which are better than the standard case, allowing you to use the buttons and all. See the 'iPod Skin' on this site, i've seen them for sale in Britain, my brother has one.

iTunes for windows should appear by the end of the year, so that windows users can buy tunes from apple.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

You got a pouch? Did you find the little plugs? I found out another gripe about the iPod the other day, quite an elaborate one but I can't remember it right now.

And it's supposed to get scuffed up real bad. It makes it look better. I like my decayed looking iPod better.

I don't agree with your remote qualms. Although I have never used this particular remote, I never had any trouble when I clipped my MD remote to one of my belt-loops each day: accessible, minimal-fuss, you don't have to lift your shirt each time &c.

― David. (Cozen), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Ed, so that will work for win98 first edition? hopefully....of course I still need to add a firewire card to my pc anyways.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't guarantee it, I don't use a PC. but it might be worth a try.

On the upgradability issue, N, what would you need to upgrade (other than memory and HD which you can) that can't be added on using USB or firewire?

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

if it doesn't work I have access to a OS upgrade anyways. But now I realized that my pc has only 2 available pci slots which are both taken. in order to add firewire I need an extra slot. damn it all to hell. is there an ASA firewire card available, hmmm.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris - or USB2? (I read something about how firewire seems to be losing the battle to USB2 now that Apple have announced USB2 support in their latest models).

Ed - I didn't realise you could change the internal HD. I guess I was vaguely thinking about replacing the processor one day but maybe not.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

replacing the processor is rarely as good an idea as it sounds. Motherboards change to suit processors and newer processors don't tend to suit older machines that well. My far older and inferior mac is still serving me well. The only reason to get a new one would be to get the latest toy. Unless you do a lot of graphics/video work or are a hard hardcore gamer there is no real reason to stay at the bleeding edge of technology anymore. Most computers (Macs especially) of the last three or four years are still able to do what most people do perfectly well.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris, it may be worth upgrading the OS, microsoft is going to stop supporting win98 early next year.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah USB 2 as well, but my pc is so old I think it runs the old USB 1.1, which means if I hook up the 2.0 it will still run through the old 1.1 crapola.

I'm going to upgrade to OS. I hate pc's.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris, it may be worth upgrading the OS, microsoft is going to stop supporting win98 early next year.

Most new software is not compatible w/win98 anyway, so it probably is worth it to get the upgrade.

― Larcole (Nicole), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

My old iPod was OK using Ephpod on W98. Bit frazzly at times and needed watching over, but generally did the job fine and dandy.

Still waiting for 20GB models to become available here in the Uk...

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah EPHPOD works with 98se. Not first edition. Oh well, I'm going to upgrade.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Make sure you get all the patches to what ever you upgrade to. There are so many exploits and vulnerabilities in the later versions of windows.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah I plan on running the auto update as soon as I get it installed.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

iMac was just updated, it now starts at 1Ghz instead of 800Mhz, still starts at £999.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

ssshh - don't publicise Mac clock speeds or PC owners will laugh at us.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 September 2003 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

even intel have had to admit that clock speed doesn't count for everything.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

20 and 40 gig iPods as well.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

It looks so shiny in its little dock, its quite frustrating knowing I can't use it until I update the pc. Grrr.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 8 September 2003 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

40 gig iPods! Yes! Really? Yes! OMG yes!

― Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuxors! I want part-exhange for the 30GB I brought last month!

― Nathan W (Nathan Webb), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

fucking hell it's even the same price!!!

― Nathan W (Nathan Webb), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, so slightly thinner again (one news site said it was thinner than 2 CDs but thankfully this was a mistake) and a third more storage. No new features. I'm not that upset.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

no it WEIGHS less than 2 cd's - i find this astonishing - do they mean without cases? - of course, yes.

― colin o'hara (jed_e_3), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Hopefully (for my peace of mind) this means that the battery life got shorter again.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually from the side view on the apple site it looks like it might have dispensed with the metallic back - maybe this made a difference.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the same iPod that was released in April, just a bigger disk. It was a selling point that it weighed less than two cds (with cases).

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Did it come with a new Volkswagon?

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I have just discovered for myself what Ed says above. No thanks to the apple PR dept -

From http://www.apple.com/ipod/ :

New 20GB and 40GB models

Smaller than ever (just 0.62 inches thick)

Cheek!

As a matter of interest, how do hard drives keep getting bigger without getting umm.. bigger?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 September 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

the white heat of technology

or more acurately by improving magnetic head technology so that the data blocks get smaller.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Ed should post a recipe for Welsh Rarebit to this thread.

― David. (Cozen), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

40 Gigs, sheer insanity. I'm impressed but my heavens.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I've only just twigged that that's the size of my Mac's hard drive.

btw, is it normal for a '15GB' iPod to have an actual capacity for MP3s of 'just' 13.9MB? 1.1GB seems a lot for just an iPod's OS and playlist info etc. Just checking I haven't been shortchanged.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 September 2003 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I might start considering iPods again when they have a windows iTunes ready.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Just wait a few more weeks, then.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought that reasonable excuse would keep me safe a good while.

: ((((

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha Steve Jobs made RJG get a job.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

ha ha.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

In the meantime, there's also this:

http://www.musicmatch.com/download/free/?OS=pc&OEM=APPLE

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Musicmatch is evil, I hate it and I am glad by the time I can afford an iPod the windows iTunes should be ready.

― Larcole (Nicole), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

And now I know in turn! (All this is why I'm glad to just have the darn Mac in the first place...)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Why do you hate Musicmatch?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I find it clunky, awkward, and extremely difficult to work with. Half of the time I experience difficulties getting it to do what it is supposed to be doing.

― Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

N, yes. What you've lost there happens to all hard drives when you format them, some of it is the directory data, some of it is just the space between data blocks.

There are plenty of other windows (and mac) utils for your iPod, see here. iTunes for windows is still slated 'before the end of the year', which in Apple speak genuinely does mean any time from tomorrow till christmas.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I should point out that today was the first day of rain and chill, which meant I could finally wear my new jacket, which my boyfriend bought me a few months ago, which is pretty "cool" looking, all brown and sleek and shiny and oddly cut (in a good, "cool" way), and which has a special inside pocket for your iPod and loops for your headphones to snake through the inside of the jacket. Yes. It is iPod-ready, and now I am ready for my 40 gig iPod.

― Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Mine is playing up again. Hm. So flakey.

― David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

mine is out of batteries.

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

mine keeps picking its nose

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

OK! I ordered the 40 gig! It'll be here maybe Friday at the earliest! (Maybe Tuesday at the latest...)

― Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

N, yes. What you've lost there happens to all hard drives when you format them, some of it is the directory data, some of it is just the space between data blocks.

No, it's more likely that it is a different conception between your operating system and the ad copy as to what a gigabyte is. Your OS thinks of a gigabyte as 1073741824 bytes (some multiple of a power of 2), but the size of hard drives is advertised using gigabytes that are 1000000000 bytes.

Divide 1073741824 into 15000000000 and ~13.9 is what you get.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

very nice.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Minus 13.9?

― David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

No, ~. As in, "approximately".

― Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I did not know that.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)

We're all supposed to be calling 2^20 bytes a Mebibyte (MiB) and 2^30 bytes a Gibibyte (GiB) now, to avoid this confusion with standard power-of-ten prefix nomenclature.

Do DVD-R manufacturers still cheekily put "4.7G" on blank discs (they can carry 4.7 billion bytes, not 4.7GiB, so they leave in the SI prefix and dump the byte association)?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

(N., a tip - you might want to try out Multinet as a Mac p2p client. I'm not sure how it stands on spyware &c. but it's probably the best client I've found. After searching lots on Acquisition / Limewire for Dizzee tracks I only unearthed the occassional user with a shaky connection and one mp3 of 'I Luv You'. On Multinet last night, I managed to get the whole album. I'm not sure that it's great, but worth a try since you were asking and pysoulseek is so scary?)

― David. (Cozen), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

pysoulseek, v1.1.2 works great but is far from convenient to install, email me if you want help.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Will you come round my flat?

― David. (Cozen), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Mine is still sitting in its box, unusable. beh.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

only if you make sure you have a fully patched version of 10.2.6, x11 installed, x11 devtools installed and the latest apple dev tools installed (all avilible from apple.com)

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

After a ginormous bureaucratic nightmare I told the Apple Store to fuck themselves and their insane rules about shipping and I went to the local Mac Store today and just bought one. And now I have it. Yayayayayay!

― Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 22 September 2003 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, are iPods "he" or "she"?

― Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 22 September 2003 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

They are neutered sexless mutants. Their only orifice is at the bottom these days, confusing matters further.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 September 2003 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm getting one! holy shit I'm thrilled

― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Mine has just arrived. God, but it's beautiful...

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 08:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Ditto.

It's all shiny and new. And so small as well.

Today my new Firewire card arrived, so after 2 days of staring at my iPod longingly, I finally get to play with it.

― bert (bert), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I've had my 10 GB one for months now, and I still only have 6.92 GB of music on it. Just did a run through of some of my CDs to grab ones I haven't ripped to it-- the only annoying thing is that it takes monumentally longer to rip a CD to my ibook (about 5 minutes per cd) than to copy the ripped cd to the ipod (say .00005 milliseconds). I wish someone would invent a device that you could wave a CD over & have it insta-ripped to your computer.

― lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Especially if it worked on CDs still in their cases, in cellophane wrappers, at the store.

― Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I just ordered one to go along with my 15" PowerBook. Hot damn.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 23 September 2003 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm...I'm having some trouble with mine. I got a US one as a present and I don't have the travel adaptor to plug to make it work with UK mains.

I bought a Lacie PCI Firewire which I think is a 6-pin Firewire card. So, in theory, I should be able to plug the iPod dock into this and the iPod should charge up. But it's been sitting in the dock plugged in overnight and still has the "Do Not Disconnect" message on it.

Any ideas?

― bert (bert), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 08:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Curse my poor typing. That should be "travel adaptor plug" and "Lacie PCI Firewire card", obv.

― bert (bert), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

some PCI firewire cards don't provide enough power, because the PCI bus can't provide a great deal of power, you may have to charge it using the power adaptor.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks Ed. Was a bit worried at first about using an adaptor, but I see the iPod is rated 110-240v, so should be ok. Can't hang around some overpriced shiny white adaptor to arrive from Apple, so I will be off to Dixons later.

― bert (bert), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

didn't your iPod come with a power adaptor, i thought they all did. You'll find it hard finding a third party power adaptor because they plug in using the firewire port.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

looks like that

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/8352/168/store.apple.com/Catalog/uk/Images/ipod_poweradapter.jpg

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

except hopefully with a UK style plug on the end rather than a US one.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry for the multiple posting but....

If you do have a US style plug on it a standard hifi style power lead will plug into the socket that is revealed if you remove the US style plug.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Cheers. Yeah - getting a hi-fi style "figure 8" lead seems to be a better solution than buying a US to UK travel adaptor. I hope Dixons stock them.

― bert (bert), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

maplins and john lewis do if dixons don't

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe yrs is different but on mine the charging has nothing to do with "do not disconnect" or not... i have to unmount the pod ("safely disconnect hardware" in windows speak) - i guess on a mac you'd throw the pod in the trash bin (??)

― ron (ron), Thursday, 25 September 2003 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Ron, NO! You would put on zee earplugs and run run run while listening to zee new Outkast. hahaha Uh no, in iTunes you can push a button which enables you to unconnect the iPOD. Or something.

― nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 25 September 2003 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I want more games.

― Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 25 September 2003 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to program games for the iPod.

― Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 25 September 2003 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

But if the ipod is mounted as a firewire drive, you do drag it off the desktop to the trash. Except that by now with OS X, Apple sadly realized that it freaked out people to drag CDs & things to the trash- now when you grab a CD or ipod icon or something & drag it, the trash can turns into an icon of an eject button. :-(

― lyra (lyra), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh for fuck's sake. I'm halfway through getting the iPod filled up when suddenly now the Mac isn't recognizing it as a formatted drive and all the songs are missing from the iPod. (And of course, the ripped versions aren't on the iBook harddrive, which is tinier than the iPod's.)

ARGHGHGHGH. Looks like I'm going to have to start over from scratch. FUCKITYFUCKFUCK.

Only a small percentage of those tracks were songs I had downloaded and most of them would be easy-peasy to download again -- that's not really the problem. But ugh all the effort of ripping and correcting the names and setting up everything... fuck.

I was going to figure out a way to back up the thing, but I was waiting until I had it filled up. I trusted it would last at least that long.

(Unless someone here knows of something clever I could do, of course.)

― Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

try using disk utility to fix the disk, or norton disk doctor is you have it.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

what I have been waiting for

― Ed (dali), Friday, 3 October 2003 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

mine is still sitting in its shiny dock. boo hoo.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 3 October 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw a recent bit of advice about using Diskwarrior to recover the disks on iPods. If it's still under warranty get apple to fix it.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 3 October 2003 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

This reminds me I need to find the converter plug for my iPod for that there European journey.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 October 2003 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

for power, one removes the US style plug and puts in an IEC fig 8 lead, I can lend you one and I'm sure martin has a few lying around.

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 4 October 2003 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I am now the proud owner of a 30Gb iPod, yay me.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 6 October 2003 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i got my gf a 20gig ipod & now i must have one. if we share a pc, will this create playlist/transfer problems?

― half jack, Monday, 6 October 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

not necessarily, you should be able to log in as separate users (into the PC that is) and keep all your stuff and setting separate, there are plenty of good reasons for doing this other than keeping your iPod synced

― Ed (dali), Monday, 6 October 2003 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

For backing up i found this really great utility called DV backup which allows out to back up 15 Gb per 60 minutes of miniDV video cassette tape using a DV camera as the recorder. I backed up my iPod to a tape on my dads camera. Of course only any good if you have access to a DV camera but better than a pile of CDRs or even DVD±R.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Are DV cassettes that dependable? Maybe I'm paranoid, but they seem much more likely to get corrupted, and then *poof* 15G gone, not just a 630M.

― Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

a variant of the DV cassette is used for tape drives plus you can set the error correction on this software depending on how I guess we shall see over time how resilient. Some brands of CDR aren't that great either.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

My 20GB arrived yesterday. I only have 3172 songs on it still. Dammit.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

A small hard disk has prevented me from getting to such heights, nothing can stop me now.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 9 October 2003 07:37 (twenty-one years ago)

What happens when there are too many songs in my iTunes for the iPod to take on autosync? I am at that point now and I am scared of the selective update process being a pain the arse.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 9 October 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

3832. 3833. Weeding out the chaff and being more selective. 3834. Need to delete some more of the shit from these compilations I mindlessly ripped whole.

― TOMBOT, Friday, 10 October 2003 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Why do I have all this James Chance Live bullshit? What was I thinking? Anyway, N. - I'll let you know what happens when I get there. Sometime Monday, I suspect.

― TOMBOT, Friday, 10 October 2003 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

4417. Not even close to half filled yet. God bless technology.

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 10 October 2003 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I ordered my USB 2.0 IPod compatible cable today, I'm going to my friends house to add songs next week when it arrives. Can I just copy folders over to the IPod?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 10 October 2003 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

We have the laptop. One day we will get Ipods.
one day
it will happen
one day, one day
it will all come true
one day
when you're ready
one day, one day
when you're up to it
the atmosphere
will get lighter
and two suns ready
to shine just for you
i can feel it
one day
it will happen
one day. one day
it will all make sense
and the beautifullest
fireworks are burning
in the sky just for you
i can feel it

one day
one day

― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 10 October 2003 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

chris, in theory yes, but you'll need to ad them through iTunes when you get home for them to be indexed and accessible on the iPod. There are a number of utilities which allow you to add tune to you iPod on Mac and PC without using iTunes. iPodding lists them.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 10 October 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Ephod does that right?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 10 October 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I just answered my own question.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 10 October 2003 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

so the headphone jack on my ipod is all fux0red up. it's in there loose and part of the rim is broken, thus headphones cut out like crazy. i decided to try to get it serviced even though it's nearly two years old, and the apple dude said out of warranty it'll cost me nearly $300. wtf?!?!? i dunno what to do. it's barely useable. any ideas?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 10 October 2003 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Give it to me.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 10 October 2003 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

where did people find 30GB iPods? the only ones I see on the apple site are 20 and 40. Goddamnit $500 is a lot of money and I'd have to buy one for my wife also. But I have it in my head I want one.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 10 October 2003 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

The guy from CompUSA told me that they are phasing out the 30s. I forgot why. I think the choices are 10, 20, and 40 now.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 10 October 2003 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

that really sucks. Apple headphone ports always used to be really shit (the one on my powerbook broke ages ago). I'm not really sure what to suggest.

try
this and this

30gb was replaced by 40gb for the same price you can still find 30gb iPods with dealers for a bit less.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 10 October 2003 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

my roommate's ipod died out of nowhere and out of warranty. he took it to the apple store and they just gave him a brand new ipod. no questions asked. i know two other people who have done this. but none of them had physical problems with their ipods... i'll try though.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 10 October 2003 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone know if a 40 gig iPod would work on my iBook running OS9?
Also, does Apple tend to drop prices for the Christmas season? I have doubts, but you never know, I suppose.

― JS Williams (js williams), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 08:21 (twenty-one years ago)

with the iPods, apple has tended to up specs rather than drop prices but that means that the mid range could end up being 40gb at some point, it will probably be 30gb next though.

The buyer's guide at mac rumours is a good guide to when to hold off on buying various apple products. I doubt the iPod will see a spec change or a price drop this side of christmas. Especially not a price drop, apple sold over 300,000 last quarter without breaking sweat and it's the biggest selling Mp3 player (by value of sales, maybe even by volume now as well).

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Also the windows version of the iTunes music store and iTunes for windows are strongly rumoured, (as good as announced by third party stake holders), to be launched tomorrow so that should send iPod demand through the roof.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 08:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I didn't expect a price or spec change, just thought I'd ask. I am more curious about the OS9 compatibility question. Apple specifies Jaguar as base requirement, but I've heard secondhand that you can use it w/ OS9. Which is my plan until I pick up Panther.

― JS Williams (js williams), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

so is everyone walking round london with white headphone cables using an iPod? if so there are SQUILLIONS of them. certainly on the bus this morning both the bloke next to me and the woman in front had one...

i see little point in buying a portable device that has 10 times more hard-drive space than my desktop computer (must buy new computer first, then broadband, THEN mp3 player)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

As an outsider, London's conspicuous wealth makes me feel ill.

I am allowed to have an iPod because it's important to me. These people are clearly just using them as fashion statements.

Or maybe there is a market in white, iPod-spoofing headphones now, like there was for pretend mobile phones for a while or maybe just in my head.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been wondering about the sudden burst in white headphone wearing as well, judging by the wearers I suspect that there are indeed a lot of iPod owners out there. (of course I don't use the in ear headphones because the don't stay in my ears so they are of little use to me).

Re: OS 9 compatibility, I'm not sure. I would suspect that you could use the iPod as a disk but not load things into the iPod's index.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

so is everyone walking round london with white headphone cables using an iPod?

I can provide a further example of that as needed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I am actually planning to get rid of my trendy white iPod headphones very shortly as

a) they are a mugger's dream in NYC, and it can only be years before Glasgow criminals catch up.

b) they are crap.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

sennheiser HD25 is what I recommend. My pair are 4 years old and going strong. All I've had to do in that time is replace the foam earpads once.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a nice pair of Sony DJ headphones that didn't cost me much and are great.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Thee iPod will bee my next status purchase to match my G5.

Sorry to rub it in, but I'm just to tickled to have a computer again...

― ModJ (ModJ), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

These are still available, Nick. They take a bit of getting used to (I know you weren't instantly converted on Friday) but I think they're the best earbuds outside of Etymotics.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 16 October 2003 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The idea of having anything that close to my ear drum just fills me with dread.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 16 October 2003 07:37 (twenty-one years ago)

And now Macrumors is reporting that the new iPods to be announced in an hour or so will have voice recording/microphone capabilities, as well as image-card-reading peripherals. Hmm. Also Pepsi will be doing crosspromotional.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 16 October 2003 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Are they new iPods, or just firmware updates to the ones they just released?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

No idea. I mean, I suppose they'd have to be new to have the inputs for a microphone, right? Maybe not, though - maybe those peripherals could use the dock or something else? I dunno.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

iTunes for windows is the main predicted announcement maybe with a 'special edition' iPod. The pepsi thing is that they will put codes on packs for free iTunes songs, up to 100 million of them.

Periferals will undoubtedly use the dock connecter.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

So...can Apple capture the Windows users?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

And put them in some kind of correctional facility?

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

iTunes for windows does two things the music store tunes will only play on an iPod so people will buy more iPods (7% of Apple's last quater's revenue came from iPods up 145%). It will also give windows users exposure to the apple way of doing things and maybe shift a few more macs, or at least make them consider it for the next purchase. The pepsi deal will give the iTMS a lot of trafic and maybe some of those users will stick around.

(a wild rumour going around is that iTunes will be availible for Linux although that's a big leap due to the fact that Quicktime is not availible for Linux, although other rumours suggest that open source versions of codecs will be built into QT7, so may be they could using LAME or some such)

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

AppleMatters is tracking today's iPod and iTunes announcements in real time.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 16 October 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Better coverage at MacRumors

― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 16 October 2003 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

All done. Just go to www.apple.com now

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 16 October 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, so I installed it and the interface is pretty, but it's still too slow, just like its main competitor - Music Match Jukebox. I'm sticking with Winamp 2 - it's still the most elegant and fastest music application. As for the ability to purchase 128kbps AAC files? Well that's truly a useless proposition to any Windows user who's figured out slsk or winmx...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 16 October 2003 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Not for Win98?! Pfeh!

― Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 16 October 2003 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer, I reckon there are a lot of windows users who haven't figured that out. You know, like my mom, or one of my two PC-using roommates.

― Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 16 October 2003 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't talk about your Mom like that! (that said, you're probably right about the general windows user - more power to Apple, I say).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 16 October 2003 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

My mother is a wondeful woman, but she hasn't even figured out how to use the "subject" field in e-mails, much less how to install slsk.

― Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 16 October 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

So there's this new voice recorder accessory, but does anyone know if you can just plug a regular old stereo mic into the thing and record good quality sound? If so, I'm happy. If not, I'm unhappy.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Forget about voice recorders. What I'd like to see next for the iPod is a mobile file-sharing add-on (using Bluetooth or some such). Then I could share tracks with people on the bus/tube.

Might eat into the battery time a bit, mind.

― bert (bert), Thursday, 16 October 2003 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

That would be cool. But I want it also to be a high-quality recording device! I demand Apple meet my unrealistic expectations!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I want it to bring get the Israel-Palestine road map back on track!

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 16 October 2003 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck. the ipod mic is a fucking dream come true for me (don't have to lug my minidisc/mic combo around on interviews), but it only works on the docked ipods. FUCK U STEVE FUCKING JOBS!!! (i went to the apple store last week to get my ipod checked: $250. fucking assholes)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 17 October 2003 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

who else thinks it sucks that itunes won't keep my ipod mounted? it comes up for a split second, then disappears

― ron (ron), Friday, 17 October 2003 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

mounted in itunes or on your desktop?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 17 October 2003 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

well, now i've reset the ipod so it's working... but before, in itunes it would unmount a split second after mounting. and complicating matters was the fact that plugging in the ipod would automatically launch itunes. thus ensuring the pod would get disconnected. so i had to uninstall itunes, update the pod, then reinstall itunes. oh well

i'm starting to warm up to itunes, though. it is still sifting through songs and setting volumes... eager for that to be done. but i'm seeing the potential for playlist management, etc. i like how you can uncheck/ check songs in a list.

so how do y'all manage your ipods in this?? what i've got going now is a special playlist for the songs i want on the pod. i don't want the whole library on there. plus i already had the ipod songs in a special folder so i just made this playlist and added that folder. seems like from here on out, i could just forget about the actual folder (in terms of where it is in windows) and just work with the itunes library and playlist. suggestions welcome

― ron (ron), Friday, 17 October 2003 06:28 (twenty-one years ago)

can you consolidate everything in a singler folder like you can with the mac version? this is an ok way to organize everthing

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 17 October 2003 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you can tell it to copy everything to one folder but i'm not seeing the advantage right now. am i missing something?

for one thing, it might be fine & dandy in itunes, where you can search and whatnot, but if i ever needed to navigate through music in windows explorer or another program, i wouldn't want to have thousands of files just sitting in a single folder. especially because i don't yet see where you can change the naming scheme for ripped files. i might have to stick with EAC if i can't figure that out in itunes. I'd like for all file names to have artist, cd title, track number & song title. right now itunes is just ripping them with song title only.

i guess maybe it doesn't matter that much because the info is in the tags, but i'd still rather have the long file names

― ron (ron), Friday, 17 October 2003 07:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I use the check boxes as a way of telling the iPod what to transfer (there's a 'transfer only checked tracks' option). When I went over 15GB I set up a smart playlist that included all Beatles, Byrds and songs before 1950 and unchecked all, as a way of making space for new stuff. Maybe other ways of doing it are better.

s1utsky - I'm not sure what you mean. I don't really think about folders - just the library and playlists. The folders are created automatically (one for each artist) somewhere but I don't really look at them. Mind you, I know you don't have to allow iTunes to make a copy of everything you import, but I left it on that setting for neatness's sake (I was starting afresh without any mp3s). But yeah, even if your mp3s are spread across your hard disk, and the iTunes library just works with pointers to them, as far as the user is concerned, it's all in one place unless you go poking around in Finder/Windows Explorer.

As ron implies, the whole things uses ID3 tagging technology to create a snappy database. I don't think duplicating all the info in the filename (which an iTunes user never really looks at) is possible.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 17 October 2003 07:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone installed iTunes for windows yet (it was released yesterday)

Also, stevem, one can now record direct to the iPod in .wav format.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 17 October 2003 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

So, I'm finally getting mine going this evening. Now, do I need to install the disc that came with the Ipod or can I bypass that altogether and just go directly to installing the VPod software.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah ed, that's what i'm talking about. there's another thread on ilm too.

at this point i think i will invest the time in cleaning up tags as needed. i think having my separate playlist for the ipod is a good idea, because then i can use the checks in the library view independently. this itunes method of sync could turn out better than the folder sync of ephpod, because by using the checks, you can keep everything in one place and still add/subtract files.

actually, i need to veryify that unchecking a song will remove it from the pod ( anybody know if this is the case? or do you have to actually delete it from the playlist?)

chris i'm pretty sure you have to install the ipod software. but don't install that musicmatch, i'd say

― ron (ron), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the computer that i'll be doing this on already has MM on it. So if I put Vpod on this PC will I screw everything up. Its not my PC.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't there a way to set iTunes so it doesn't launch automatically upon conneciton?

I've had the problem before where the computer doesn't seem to recognized that I've plugged in the iPod, and that needs a restart (or maybe just a log out, log in, I forget).

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah there is a setting. under ipod options, i believe. the ipod icon in the lower right corner appears when the ipod is selected in the source window. look there

― ron (ron), Friday, 17 October 2003 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

In response to the earlier question: iPods do work with iTunes in OS 9, even if it is a bit slow and buggy. It is difficult to manually configure, and iTunes ends up sending all tracks the iPod.

― jadrenos (jadrenos), Saturday, 18 October 2003 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

You have probably known about this feature for years, but last nite I discovered the joy of the Grace Notes CDDB in the new iTunes. Being an inveterate slob, I am much too lazy to type up track names when I rip them from CD, so my iTunes library was full of 5,000 songs called "Track 2". Now I discover I can "get track name" from the Advanced menu and it automagically finds the track name, and all the other metadatam with no typos! It even knew who the names of the tracks on the Foxgloves ep (though not the last Laura Cantrell lp)! Is technology wonderful?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't technology wonderful.

Grace Notes also saves me from my inability to type.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 07:51 (twenty-one years ago)

There are plenty of typos, though.

I have never had much luck with getting it to work with albums I've already ripped (yes, all the tracks were there), but with CDs in the tray I'm amazed by some of the things it has in there.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

how often does y'all's ipods decide not to play a song you selected (i.e. just moves to the next one)??

― ron (ron), Thursday, 4 December 2003 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

pretty fucking often. usually I find this happens when I select one and then put it in the carrying case right away; I think something about that motion hits the fwd button, so I've learned to hold it still and wait for the song to start before putting it into the case.

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 4 December 2003 08:43 (twenty-one years ago)

My related problem is that holding down the button often doesn't turn off the iPod, no matter how long I do it for. Then I let go and it will just skip to the next song instead, which is annoying if I want to pick up where I left off next time I turn it on. It often takes three or four attempts. iPods are rubbish really.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 4 December 2003 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

bah i had these heavy white jap-only sony in-ear phones for ages but now ppl are in awe of me no longer

― prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 4 December 2003 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i finally got a new pc and got mine running last night. then my monitor blew up. no luck.

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

ok at least its not just me, i forgive u ipod

― ron (ron), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

O.K., ipod owners -- what do you think of ipod cases? Do you have one you like? Do you have one you hate? I want to get one for a friend for Christmas but since I don't have an ipod I really don't know a thing about them. Advice appreciated.

― quincie, Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like one too. Someone a while ago recommended iSkin, I think.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

There's one called a Contour something or other. I'd love an opinion on that one. It is clear and appears to be more case-like than skin-like. I'm avoiding a leather or neoprene case because they just clash with the minimalist ipod design.

― quince, Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I still don't have an iPod, this is sad.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

ron otm.

i have a problem with imagination too and despite having loads of songs on it (still only 1100) i reckon i only listen to about 300 max :(

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 25 December 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

guess what i got for wobs? the only problem is, my crappy old PC doesn't have any firewire ports, is this the excuse i've been looking for to get a new one? considering the little box the size of my fag packet has three times the storage capacity of the large box under my desk i think it might be...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 25 December 2003 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I found this pc mainboard that's little bigger than a fag packet, make your new pc out of it.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 25 December 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

also, N. some time ago:

Or maybe there is a market in white, iPod-spoofing headphones now, like there was for pretend mobile phones for a while or maybe just in my head.

i've worked out that, in fact, several people i've seen with white earphones recently have had them plugged into shonky old TAPE PLAYERS...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 25 December 2003 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

ed, that looks far too scary for the likes of me, i'm off to the PC world sale tomorrow morning i think ;)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 25 December 2003 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

have you ever considered an nice shiny new mac, they match the look of your iPod, sir.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 25 December 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

you are on commission, aren't you? ;) thing is, PC that will do what i need = max £500, macs only start about £700 don't they(and i'd have to get new scanner, printer etc as well i assume)? and i can't be doing with mice with only one button ;)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 25 December 2003 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

you are quite correct re:price, scanner printer etc. will probably work if they are usb or firewire; parallel and seriala won't work.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 25 December 2003 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

non-exhaustive Printer compatibility list

see also http://www.apple.com/switch/

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 25 December 2003 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Analysts expect Apple to unveil low-cost iPod
"The lower-end iPods, which are expected to carry a price tag of about $100 and will hold 400 to 800 songs, are a necessary answer to the bevy of MP3 digital music players now on the market that cost $100 or less, analysts said."

― lyra (lyra), Thursday, 25 December 2003 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish I did get comission, also sony owe me for all those md players I persuaded people to get.

The analysts are feeding off a rumour published by one of the less reliable rumour sites. It is however pretty likely what with pepsi giving away 100 million iTunes downloads at the superbowl.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 25 December 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I got one for xmas. Yay me. It's fun.

― NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 25 December 2003 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

just noticed the question about cases, and although it is unlikely that the person asking will be back here, i will go ahead and say that the case i got is the flipstand, and overall i like it a lot. one consideration at the time was that it seemed to be one of the only ones that you can put an itrip on without removing the pod from the case. but now i know the sad truth that itrip is a joke. (but now i have a working cassette deck so i use that now)

it is fairly bulky but it protects the thing quite well. it is slightly challenging to push the buttons, especially the bottom one (play/pause) but it's do-able. one slight flaw is that the catch for the flipper door can hit the menu button if the case is squeezed while closed. so i make sure to lock the pod 'off' when putting it in my backpack, or else it might get turned on and lose batteries while it's bumping around in there

now they have them for the new pods, which should not have that particular problem because the buttons are moved up into that row configuration. looks like they even make a custom dock so you can keep the case on. the four buttons look like they just have 4 holes over them for access, so i bet a sharpish object could still bump them while it's off.

― ron (ron), Thursday, 25 December 2003 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

what are the belkin ipod voice recorders like? worth the clams? ron, why's the itrip a joke?

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 25 December 2003 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

any fm transmitter is going to sound awful (also they are illegal in the UK, not to buy, only to use)

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 25 December 2003 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

can you (logistically) use them in shops?

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 25 December 2003 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

The 400-800 song iPod is a great idea. My first-gen 10GB will hold ~1200 256/320 AAC files, which is more than enough for any purpose I could ever think of. Maybe if I were planning a global trip, I'd need more songs, but then I'd just lower the bitrate (which is probably too high anyway).

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 25 December 2003 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The fm transmitter thingies are utter crap in a downtown area, but i got one to work okish waaaaaaay out on I90 in WA desert land.

Also, if looking for cases, beware the ones with magnetic closures. I don't think I'd want a magnet, however weak, near a hard disk for so long... it might take a while, but you'd eventually end up with corruption of your drive's data.

― lyra (lyra), Thursday, 25 December 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

there is a very good car cradle for the new iPods that you can wire into you existing stereo (if it has a cd changer input)

― Ed (dali), Friday, 26 December 2003 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The mini-iPod rumor has been confirmed inside and outside of Apple several times. It seems very likely it is indeed the real deal - just check MacRumors. They tend to almost always be on the money regarding front-page rumor material.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 26 December 2003 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been using the Belkin FM adapter and it works pretty well. There's marginal static but I think it's fine considering that I live in Los Angeles, and there are stations that broadcast on the frequencies that the Belkin uses.

― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Friday, 26 December 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it might depend on how well you can put up with the little buzzes, dropouts, and squelches. it seemed to me to be somewhat less fidelity than listening to a radio station. i bet it is ok outside of cities, as lyra says

― ron (ron), Saturday, 27 December 2003 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I got a cassette adapter as well. I'm heading to Vegas tomorrow morning, so I'm sure there will be tons of open airwaves for me to rape and pillage.

― TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Saturday, 27 December 2003 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

ok so i've got a new pc (with XP home), a firewire card and everything. i put the ipod for windows cd into it and it says "error writing to the temporary location". i think i might go away and swear now...

i can't find out where it's meant to be writing to or nowt, and i'd guess anything i download would have the same problem wouldn't it?

anyone?

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Sunday, 28 December 2003 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

s'alright, just downloaded itunes and everything seems lovely :)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Sunday, 28 December 2003 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

When are they going to be £20?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 28 December 2003 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Steve, explain the whole firewire thing to me. I have a 6 month old decent PC with XP - what will I need to do to it to make my ipod work?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

well, it depends if it's got any firewire ports. if so, you just plug it in and download itunes, and off you go. if it's only got USB ports you'll either have to get a firewire card (mine was only £20) and bung it in the back of your PC, or you can get firewire to USB converter wire doo-dads from the apple store apparently.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Lovely, ta. Um, how will I know if I have firewire ports already? Presumably I won't have unless I specially asked for them, which I didn't.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

also if we're reaching some sort of critical mass of UK ipod ownership here, we so need to do a one on, one off ipod only dj night :)

mark, looking round pc world, the odd one or two did have them as standard but most don't i fear. basically try putting the cable that came with the ipod in the various ports on your computer (not too hard obv.) usb ones are rectangular, whereas the firewire ones have only two right-angled corners.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't the ipod come with a USB connector anyway? my flatmate's one has.... unless he actually bought that seperately

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh, smashing - that might be what the exciting adaptor thingy I briefly looked at was. Cheers Ken and Steve. P.s. Ken - weds night?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

yup!

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, maybe the newer ones do (mine is off of ebay)...

does it look like this?

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/459/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/m9126ga_125.jpghttp://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/459/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/m9126ga_125.jpg

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

cocks...

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/459/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/m9126ga_125.jpg

even

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I have no idea. I'll check when I get home. Ta!

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah thats the usb connector i have. It didn't come with it though, I had to order it from apple. $20.

― Chris 'Knuckle Deep' V. (Chris V), Monday, 29 December 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I now see somebody with white earphones nearly every single time I use the subway here in DC. Damn things have become endemic (my turbocharged bug and iPod combo which seemed slick and metropolitan in the burbs now colors me mundane and collegiate at best). A 2GB iPod would work nicely, I could keep a limited rotating set of playlists which would ultimately function about the same as my current 3700-track shuffle miasma does. However if it weren't for a random choice bit of timing during last week's commute I might never have discovered what a fucking awesome tune Dollar's "Mirror Mirror" is, the 20GB is great for getting around the too-damn-many-compilations problem.

― TOMBOT, Monday, 29 December 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I may have been dreaming, but I'm pretty sure I heard something on radio Five at about 6.30am today (I have been waking early for a week with excrutiating back pain which only manifests after 6 hours sleep) about iPods being only £65?! wtf?! One of the presenters read out a text saying "normal iPods hold 10,000 songs but the £65 one will only hold 800", which would mean it was about, what, 1 gig, 2 gigs? I would so go and buy one today if they were £65 and had 2 gigs of memory. Did I dream this or is it real? And why can I not see anything about it at apple.com or on the Dixons or Amazon websites?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 08:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Check out Girolamo's link upthread. It's looks like 2 and 4 GB ones (mini-iPods) are coming.

― nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)

A two-gigger with a line-level in (2V phantom power for an external mic too much to expect and pre-amp would probably be duff/massive drain on battery) and MD-style editing facilities for sixty notes and I'd be queueing for one.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

HEIN?

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

(In theory, Tim. Obv with my new/old MD giftie, I need no such thing).

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

okay there are a hundred iPod threads on here and I can't find this, but I think it MAY have been addressed before:

We just got 2 new iPods. The home computer is a Windows XP computer. I use one login account, my wife another. Ideally I'd like the mp3/library to be the Shared Music directory accessible from both logins (or even better, another partition altogether). Dumping my MP3s down there and then manually creating the library in iTunes seems to work fine, but importing with iTunes (what we called "ripping a CD" in normal non-iTunes speak) automatically throws it into some My Music/iTunes subdirectory that is inaccessible when you login to the computer as another user. Is there some way to make it rip to a different, more central location? I don't want doubles of my ripped CDs all over my C:// drive and definitely don't want to have to manually move everything up and into a shared drive, considering that I'm planning on doing 1000 CDs this week.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 3 January 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

On the Mac there's you can change the storage folder under 'preferences' and then 'advanced.' I've never seen the PC iTunes, though.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

(Since installing Panther and a new HD, I've been working my way through my CD collection - only 200 more to go. I'd pay so much money for a better way to do this.)

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

aha, so there is that option. Okay I'm hoping that works since my convoluted attempt to create shortcuts all over the place didn't (I guess they don't work the same way as aliases).

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I think if you set your iTunes folder to be in a directory outside of your user diectory, then you may be okay?

― dean gulberry (deangulberry), Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Rip Digital; They'll rip all your cds for you.

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 3 January 2004 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)

How about that Music Quiz, hmm?

― dean gulberry (deangulberry), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

new ipod mini

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Oooh, I love the pale green one.

― lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

however 4gig $249 15gig $299

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Hard drivist.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I can sense the iPod slowly infiltrating my consciousness and sparking my lust. I'll probably break down before the summer.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

however 4gig $249 15gig $299

Yeah, I like that the ipod mini is cute and a little more affordable but if I do finally buy one it would be worth the extra $50 to have all of that extra memory.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how that page also trumpets your chance to 'Listen to Madonna narrate The English Roses' -- uh, no.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't imagine a more painful thing to listen to right now.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"...or laugh at steve martin"

NOT with?

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

These days that's probably a very honest thing to say, Jed!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

when will they ever make an ipod with microphone in?? christ.

― kephm, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

They did, or rather there's a 3rd party product that'll do that, but the sound quality is pretty crappy.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Q: Do I need to register my iPod? I couldn't find anything online or in the documentation that came with the iPod. Hrm.

― dean gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"when will they ever make an ipod with microphone in?? christ."

iRiver HP140

http://www.irivernordic.com/products.php?pid=24&PHPSESSID=8d204f758d40df9ba67cdcc0879a0c9f

Has a microphone port can record 16/44 wavs, no idea of the quality of the ADC.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

new ipod much smaller HD (as Ed says) but about half the weight, and I think 4GB would do me nicely anyway. i've only got 6gb on my mac at work and there are some uncompressed AIFs in that folder somewhere too

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a bit like when MD took off - "Cool," I thought, "there'll be 40 quid playback-only portables inside a year." No, they got lighter, slimmer, with longer battery life and - eventually - gained long-play modes and USB capability. Prices didn't come down, the technology just got fancier.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

apple really dropped the ball with this new "cheap" ipod--$50 cheaper and less than 1/3 the memory? what the hell are they thinking?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 8 January 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks Jarlr'mai ...

― kephm, Thursday, 8 January 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

It's pretty. I bet they'll sell like hotcakes.

― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 8 January 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Had my 40GB for four days now. Oh my god how did I live without this????

Because I don't feel like reading five hundred thousand other opinions from people I don't know, what earbud headphones do people recommend (for a reasonable price)? I'm using some old Sony ones I've had a for a few years and they're fine, my wife is with the iPod ones which are unsatisfactory.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 8 January 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I was in a really bad mood when I posted that message up there and I took it out on the ipod! still think it's a bad idea tho.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

no that was a bad idea, if the thing had cost $150 it would have seemed like a better deal. maybe they're thinking people will look at the $250 one and get convinced by the salespeople to buy the $300 one instead.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)

apple really dropped the ball with this new "cheap" ipod--$50 cheaper and less than 1/3 the memory? what the hell are they thinking?

It's cuter!

― ModJ (ModJ), Thursday, 8 January 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

anthony may be right, it could be a bizarro bait & switch

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 8 January 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the thinking is: ' there are plenty of $250 players out there that have 512Mb of Flash memory, let's corner that segment of the market next, it's the one immediately below the one we've got sewn up'

and remember, Apple doesn't sell cheap anything.. It would rather do free than 'cheap'

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 January 2004 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"This is a bit like when MD took off - "Cool," I thought, "there'll be 40 quid playback-only portables inside a year." No, they got lighter, slimmer, with longer battery life and - eventually - gained long-play modes and USB capability. Prices didn't come down, the technology just got fancier. "

Minidisc was always more about recording than listening, not enough people went with the format for them to make cheap playback portables.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 8 January 2004 09:21 (twenty-one years ago)

That's all I use mine for (apart from recording the very occasional gig) and it suits me perfectly.

― chris (chris), Thursday, 8 January 2004 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Minidisc was always more about recording than listening, not enough people went with the format for them to make cheap playback portables.

That's probably fair comment. It was envisaged as a replacement for cassette and without the backwards-compatibility of DCC I don't suppose Sony/Sharp could hope to get early-adopters to fork out for a home recording deck and a playback Walkman, so combined the two. (Plenty of us have home decks now, I guess). This became the norm and the play-only models were always a small chunk of the market.

I guess, as MD stalled in the market, the plan became more to get the existing MD adherents to upgrade to the fancier units rather than scoop up the vast unwashed tape slaves with giveaway knockoffs. There was never a Saisho or Realistic MD player, f'instance. Shame.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 8 January 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

most of the mac observers i've read have said things along the line of the iPodMini being about 50 quid too pricey.

Regarding the iPod mini, here's my take on it after spending a few minutes with one. I much prefer the mini's "buttons on scroll wheel" setup -- the "soft" buttons on the main iPod are just too sensitive to the touch; the mini's buttons require a definite click to activate. The brushed aluminum is really nice, and the size is nice draw. However, I think Apple missed the pricing sweet spot by $75 to $100 or so -- using Steve's own "only $50 more" example from the keynote, for only $50 more, you can get a real iPod, and it's now 15gb instead of 10gb -- so that's 4x the storage for $50
http://www.macosxhints.com/

I might get one in an airport if I go travelling this year, like to that america or something...

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 8 January 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

the big problem is they want £199 for it in the UK when with the exhange rate it would be £138 ex VAT or £162 with.

(on another note, sony still pushing MD with a new data md format for audio with each disc being 1Gb rather than 140Mb, players will probably support Mp3 and ATRACS)

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 January 2004 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The UK prices for technology are amazing compared to the US, computer components are so much cheaper in the US.

You can get the 20GB Iriver IHP-120 from Amazon.co.uk for £245

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000UJFU6/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_1/026-6994455-2748401

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 8 January 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait for the 40GB one to get to these shores, it may push the 20GB down.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 8 January 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

on another note, sony still pushing MD with a new data md format for audio with each disc being 1Gb rather than 140Mb, players will probably support Mp3 and ATRACS

Wow, that's a surprise, Ed. I don't see anything in the press release about MP3 playback, though - it'll still be various flavours of ATRAC3, just not (annoyingly) at the original standard of 292k. Apparently, the Japanese website lists a 256k bitrate the US statements omit. You can port any data file around on these discs, but portable playback is another matter.

The PDF version of the release rather bizarrely states that 'Hi-MD enables linear PCM recording... [and hence] near-CD quality'. Eh? If it's linear PCM, what with this 'near-'?

Sorry about this sidetrack, but I doubt it's worth a separate thread.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 8 January 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone just buy me an iPod, yeah? I don't care what size.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 January 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I think my main reservation about the iPod is the earbuds...never liked them, they never fit quite right in my ears. Do regular headphones not work or just defeat the sleektinylittleelegant point of it all?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 January 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah regular headphones work fine. I hate the earbuds too. I use these sony things I got at Target.

― Chris V (Chris V), Thursday, 8 January 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the iPod earbuds, they fit perfectly (as long as you have the right ones in the right ears). But if you wear regular earphones no one knows you have an iPod (and thus you're less likely to get mugged, I guess).

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

My ears are always the wrong ears, apparently.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

iCauliflower.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Let's all chip in and get Nick a 10-foot iPod.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Go for it!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

You gotta make your own homemade Star Wars videotape first, Nick.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I not do The Exorcist instead?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Craziness

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking hell. "Together we can kill Microsoft and Sony."

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Sony's fucked anyway. Korea is going to destroy them. The only thing I think I still recommend Sony for is FD Trinitron televisions.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Sony mobile phones are certainly very flimsy. Mine didn't stand up to being thrown against a brick wall from a distance of four feet. Not more than four times in 20 minutes, anyway.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay getting back to things upthread ... is it necessary to register your iPod for the warranty to take effect? I couldn't find anything that stated so, anywhere ... hmm ..

― dean gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

if Yancey still posted I believe he had an anecdote to the effect that when the headphone jack on his friend's iPod went south he just took it in to the store and they replaced it with a new one on the spot. YMMV.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Sony digital cameras are quite nice, though- the mini ones are adorable. They're a bit more "electronics for chicks" though, and not that many girls are all that into gadgets, sadly.

― lyra (lyra), Friday, 9 January 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

To Bad HP/Compaq is rapidly going down the toilet.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 9 January 2004 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)

my sony phone is the dogs, I wuv it

― chris (chris), Friday, 9 January 2004 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Try throwing it against a wall.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 January 2004 10:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I just did, it melted through it and then swooped back round to me.

― chris (chris), Friday, 9 January 2004 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 9 January 2004 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

So I just ~~accidentally~~ ordered a 20gig iPod laser-engraved with the legend 'Auspicious Fish'. Am I nuts?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

A bit wanky maybe.

(I love you really Southally wouthally!)

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Southally wouthally

You are the gayest man in the world!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

A superdumb question about the iPod....

Can you load mp3s onto it from a computer that is below OSX (i.e. from a computer that has a pathetic OS of 8.5.1?)

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

OS 9 I think you can maybe even OS 8.6 but definitely not 8.5.1

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

just to qualify that 8.6 is the first version of Mac OS to support firewire.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, Ed. Just talked to a significantly more tech-savvy friend of mine, who cleared my major misconception about iPods....that being that I could upload tracks from one computer, and then download them onto another. Turns out, I gather, that this is not the case and that the iPod is a one-way street, and can only be accessed by whatever computer it is originally synched to. That sound accurate?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

with itunes, yes, but there's lots of third-party apps to make downloading possible.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Surprise surprise.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Aye yai yai. My head's going to blow apart.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

What is everyone's favorite such app for the Mac? I got an Applescript that does a great job EXCEPT when any field has a colon in it, which of course causes trouble with the filepath.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone tried the new Dell mp3 player? I was wondering how it compared to the iPod.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

podutil works excellently! It's cross-platform as well so you can truely use your ipod as a removable hard drive. I bring stuff from my windows pc at home to my mac at work and vice versa.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

with itunes, yes, but there's lots of third-party apps to make downloading possible

For the record, one of these programs (I don't know which) severly wrecked my friend's iPod on numerous occasions.

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

please let us know if you remember!

(how exactly did it wreck it, btw?)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I will ask him for more details. BRB in a few minutes.

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, so I made the big leap today and got one. Am in the process of configuring it now....I think. After following all the directions, the iPod screen reads: DO NOT DISCONNECT, and constantly flashes both the universal DO NOT symbol (circle with a slash through it) and the battery icon "filling up" signal. What's making me worried/suspicious, though, is that iTunes did not immediately start-up when I connected. And when I opened iTunes, there wasn't an iPod icon on the left hand side (as a friend of mine suggested there should be, representing how far along in the loading process it is.)

I be concerned.

It should be noted that I have 794 songs in my iTunes folder. Could it be that it's simply taking a long time to load all of them?

Should I be panicking now?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

congrats alex!

sometimes that happens, I wouldn't worry about it terribly. trying closing & restarting itunes and it'll probably catch. (and check your prefs to see if it's on "automatic startup")

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

by the way, that many songs shouldn't take too long to load.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, Slocki, I'll give that a shot. It's really fucking sending me into orbit. Technology-wise, everything I touch seems to malfunction the second it's out of the proverbial box.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I suspect all iPods have to fail at least once. I am now somewhat paranoid of actually hooking it up to the computer...

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, that sounds like exactly what happened to me. I seem to remember that it never stopped flashing that, but that I ended up disconnecting it anyway, then restoring the iPod. I'll look for the thread where I panicked and see if it jogs my memory as to how it was solved.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

alex, are you on a mac or windows? Mine did the same thing and I was totally confused (I had windows). It still takes some time before iTunes recognizes its connected. If it doesn't show up as connected (either in itunes or as a mounted disc) it's okay to disconnect it even though the ipod says "do not disconnect". Try turning the itunes autolaunch option OFF and connect your ipod, then launch itunes manually, and see if that works.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

um i wouldn't panic, are you on windows or mac? basically it says DO NOT DISCONNECT whenever it's connected, if your on windows, in the system tray there should be a little icon that says "safely remove hardware" that you need to click to disconnect it safely.

the upload speed to my ipod is K-scary, about half a second a song, so it's probably not that...

(xpost) and what everyone else said :)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

For the record, one of these programs (I don't know which) severly wrecked my friend's iPod on numerous occasions.

He says it was called PodWorks and that the problem came from copying the entire library at once from the iPod. He says he has no problems using it to remove single songs, however. There you go.

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

It shouldn't say 'do not disconnect' on a mac, once it's updated.

My plea with the same problem was answered (sort of) on the 'boring computer questions' thread.

If you are on a mac (and maybe this applies on a PC too, i don't know), make sure that 'Enable Firewire disc use' option (which is for when you're using it as a removable hard disc) is unchecked on iTunes (click on the little iPod symbol on the bottom left to get this options screen). Otherwise you have to manually dismount it each time (by clicking on the unmount iPod icon, also on the bottom right of iTunes), because until you do, the 'DO NOT DISCONNECT' message flashes. I think that's right anyway.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

mine says 'do not disconnect' on a mac when updated, n. (hi n.!)

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Unless you want to use it as a Firewire harddrive, of course.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah sure - I was just saying it might confuse you if you don't know to click on the dismount iPod button.

Cozen - hi! Glad you're getting into Technicolor. I'm sure your iPod isn't supposed to do that, but it looks like it doesn't matter as long as you've checked it's finished updating.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I followed the instructions to disconnect (dragging iPod icon into the trash) and disconnected, unplugged the fucker. Closed down all the applications I had running, re-started and tried again. This time, iTunes *DID* fire up and swiftly synched all the music in a matter of mere minutes. I'm now up and running, but it gave me a fucking migraine at first.....being that I just dropped half a grande on the fucker (yes, I splurged and went for the 40 gb model).

All seems to be in working order. Touch-pad's a bit wonky at first, but I'm sure I'll learn to master it. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP!

oh, incidentally, I have an iMac, not a PC.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Touch pad remains wonky for some of us. It helps if your fingers aren't dry. Still, sometimes the iPod seems to have a mind of its own.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't really like touchy-feely sensitive pads. I like to have some feedback, and half the time my iPod skips to the next track rather than turn itself off when I hold down the pause/play button. Maybe my fingers are too dry - I'd never even considered that. Bring back the old iPods.

Glad you got it going!

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not nuts about the touch pad cuz I find it can be too sensitive--I usually keep the thing in my shoulder bag & just reach into the pocket to switch songs, adjust the volume or whatever, and I always end up pressing the wrong button by mistake. but otherwise it's pretty nifty.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 January 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

the music quiz game's pretty fun for a while

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 January 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm frantically importing favourite albums into iTunes in preparation for tomorrow (assuming it's made the trip from Luxembourg in time to arrive tomorrow, if not I'll be so pissed as I wont have time to play with it on Tuesday night because of football). I've got about 15gigs of stuff in there so far (obv. a lot of that is downloaded from SLSK and such over the last few months - I've not imported all of it today!). I'm excited now. Atlantic Soul!

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Sunday, 25 January 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Next up = Aquemini, Chairs Missing, Hounds Of Love, Fantasma and XTRMNTR. Huzzah!

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Sunday, 25 January 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

it's an exciting task!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 January 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn right! Orbital, Vive La Fete, Pluramon and Arvo Part up now!

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Sunday, 25 January 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the mini is kind of cute, in pink maybe.

― Mary (Mary), Sunday, 25 January 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Is MP3 the new MD?

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

My iPod died during the night.

I left it plugged into the mac overnight and when I woke up this morning it was clacking sadly.

An "inspecting disk" icon appeared. And then a folder and exclamation mark.

And then an icon of a sad sad iPod.

:( :( :( :(

The saddest thing is, it's just over a year since I bought it. So I presume that it's no longer covered by the Apple Warranty? I think I probably mislaid all the documentation when I moved house last summer anyway.

Is there any hope for me?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

What's this stuff about the battery that I read about here

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

ARRRGGH

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

have you tried turning the hold button on and off twice, then holding down the menu and play buttons simultaneously for five seconds, then letting go? beacause that's worked for me (though not after a year, only had mine for like five months)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, Jerry. (I'm trying hard not to sound like Margo Leadbetter.)

I presume this is a HD failure? And HD failures are... Well, they're not good, are they?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

My research suggests there is no hope for the little bugger. Sending it away to get repaired seems to cost the same as a new 10gb iPod.

:( :( :( :( :(

I'm still not sure why it would have happened though. I didn't drop it or bash it about. It was a little cold last nite - but as cold as it was when I left it overnite in a car in Colorado. My hunch is that it was nearing its capacity and corrupted from being too full?

:( :( :( :( :(

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely a HD doesn't get corrupted from just filling up - there's always spare capacity for indexing info and whatnot? Unless Apple have applied some weirdo file format to their iPods? COMPUTER TECHSPODS TO THREAD, IMMEDIATEMENT.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Hard discs just die sometimes. They seem amazingly intricate and delicate things when you think about them. I hope they are soon replaced with some solid state memory device based around lasers and prisms or something.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Mine stopped being able to play half the stuff I'd loaded onto it just yesterday - and I had to use the iPod software update program to 'restore' it (which seems to mean erase.)

A bit of a pain in the arse to load everything back, but iPod is all happy and shiny again hooray.

― clive (Clive), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Unfortunately, I guess a HD failure pretty much takes the iPod with it, because they're not yr usual swappable drives (which are pretty cheap), but, on the plus side, it's not like a HD fail in a PC or Mac because all yr data is duplicated elsewhere.

Hands up who backs up everything on their computer on a regular basis. No, thought not*.

(* - I do actually do Word, Outlook and scanned image backups but if I tried to duplicate all my audio it would take 50 CD-Rs every time).

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Also: after this do I just go ahead and buy another one - or are the competitors now better value/more serviceable/just as pretty?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I know you are all hanging on every word of this saga, but...

According to my records I actually bought the pod on 26 February 2003... which just scrapes in under a year ago.

So John Lewis may be able to replace it for me!

:) :) :) :) :)

Thanks for your concern.

JtN.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Whooo! Jer-ry, Jer-ry, Jer-ry!

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought John Lewis gave one 2 year guarantees anyway. Perhaps this is no longer the case.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

If you bring it in a year early, they're duty bound to give you TWO replacements. Can I have the spare? Can I? Can I? Can I?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Oo0h. Are their any untraceable haxors we can use to make them fuck up after 50 weeks and get 2 new uns? < / Dr devious>

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

(I was joking. I am stone cold today - just berated by all and sundry in my department for a quickfire email 'funny' about anti-aliasing settings. I'm dyin' up here.)

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it possible to make European iPods go louder? Cos tey've got some kidn of volume-limiting software, haevn't they? Mine's fine most of the time, but I'd like to be able to drown things out once in a while. nb. yes I know I can alter the volume of each track individually, but I'm buggered if I'm setting each of the 3,317 tunes on there manually!

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a setting in 'settings' called something limit volume limit - it's near the bottom of the settings menu.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd already taken that off - is that all it is?

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Get lower impedance headphones, is my advice.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

If vo9lume limit is on, it pegs the max volume; if you lower the volume, it goes even lower innit, regardless of how loud the track setting is.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Have your ears syringed? (serious answer)

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark, I would ask you to explain exactly what "syringing" is, but I fear that my horrifying first impression is indelibly etched onto my brain.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like that, but worse. Think "decomposition".

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I need to get my left ear syrinbged. I found out in venice that my hearing range in my right ear is twice that of my left.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not deaf! I don't need it louder! I just wondered if it could GO louder! Like, up to 11!

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i bought a y adapter to plug the ipod into my stereo. waste of money. the volume on the ipod needs to be at max in order to hear anything.

― Chris V (Chris V), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

you need to line-out of the dock and it works fine

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

ah. thanks.

― Chris V (Chris V), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I finally broke down and got a 15 G iPod last week. I now think it's up there with pizza as one of the greatest inventions EVAH. Except that I already blew out one of my earbud 'phones.

PS I also wish you could make your own personal EQ and Bass/Treble settings.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Jay Vee is ONE OF US.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i love my ipod but every day I walk around in fear that it is going to break! are there any actual statistics on the number of ipods that fail after a year for bizarre reasons? does anyone here have an ipod that they've had for over two years that's had NO problems?

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Team,

Today is a historic day of sorts for our company. When I arrived back at Apple in mid-1997, the company was burdened with $1 billion of debt. Through everyone's hard work we turned Apple around, paid off the majority of our debt and began to amass a war chest of cash in the bank which has grown to about $4.8 billion! But there was still $300 million of remaining debt, which we decided to hold to maturity.

Today we used $300 million of our cash to pay off this remaining debt.

Apple is now a debt-free company – for the first time in over a decade!

It sure feels good.

Steve

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Anothony, that's the fear that keeps me from buying one yet. I can't afford to replace it after a year or so.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

WE ACCEPT YOU WE ACCEPT YOU ONE OF US ONE OF US

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Right now I'm at a year and a half with my iPod -- I should note, though, that I do not heavily use it just around and about or taking the bus somewhere or the like, instead preferring it for long trips, killing time in airports and so forth. So lower use may well mean it's faced less internal wear and tear or whatever.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Jay Vee is ONE OF US.

I was wondering why my iPod came with a hat with a looong feather on top!

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i bought a y adapter to plug the ipod into my stereo. waste of money. the volume on the ipod needs to be at max in order to hear anything.

Well that's weird. I do that all the time and it works fine. Yeah, I usually stick it on top volume on the iPod for sound quality reasons (better to preamp at source than later on, I figure) but it's easily at the volume of a typical source (CD player or whatever else I plug into my stereo). I've used the line out on the dock too but I can't remember any difference.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

what nick said.

can anyone explain why I need a dock for the belkin iPod microphone?

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

oh and is it worth buying? i'd be using it to record gigs, would it just be the usual quality as recording on a MD?

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

wait, ipods have mic in jacks now, microphones????

i imagine an ipod would be v. difficult to tweak in a dark club

― kephm, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

it has a very good (if expensive) backlight, kephm.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

As I understand it, the new mic input thing is for note taking only (ie. low quality).

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what the filesystem is exactly on the iPod but the HD will not corrupt from being too full. The file structure looks pretty simple. It's not hierarchial, I can tell you that. The software does all the databasing and indexing for you, the tracks when you view them through a hex editor are just all jumbled on top of one another in no discernible order that I could be bothered to figure out.

I had taken some notes on some interesting text strings I found in the firmware but I forgot where they wound up. I'll have to go hunt them down. BTW as I noted elsewhere on some other thread, the iPod carries your username, computer name and Quicktime version on it. Don't go committing any crimes with it, hokay? Cause that kiddie porn will have your name right there for the investigators, in plaintext even.

Does anybody know of a good hex viewer/editor for OS X or BSD? Eh, nevermind, I'll go find one myself.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

How do I commit crimes with my iPod? Do I need a firmware update?

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

NB. I do not want to use my iPod to fiddle with kiddies.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

that fm band transmitter thingy is illegal in the UK?

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah yes, apparently fm band transmitter thingies can and have been used to interfere with children.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.ipodhacks.com/

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.cocoatech.com/pf.php

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

If you look at your iPod with invisible files made visible it shows you how all the music is laid out and you can TOTALLY LOOK AT EVERYTHING ON THE DISK AND MAKE AN IMAGE OF THE WHOLE SHEBANG WOW THIS IS THE BEST PROGRAM I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE THANK YOU

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

can you post up the image, tombot?

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant disk image, actually. Like a big whopping backup file down to the last bit. This is pretty amazing, I am going to wind up paying for shareware again, I can see it.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Tonught I saw 3 people in a row with iPods going down the escalator at Moorgate; 5 if you include me. It was so much better when we were a tribe of secretive fearful types, afraid we would be mugged (as I sort of was) for our gadgets. Now everyone has them. nu-iPod suxors etc.

My favourite gadget is the dowqnload artwork script, and the one to copy your iPod play counts and last played data to iTunes; as I listen mostly to the iPod, this is great for playlist constructing back in iTunes.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

you know 3 + 1 is 4, right?

are we to have a glasgow FAP this week, for you Dave B, i'm not averse. others might be.

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

+ i think i am moving to London => I might need to be more protective of my iPod. :/ I <3 Glasgow's behind-the-times thieves.

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there anyway to have the iPod stop after a song is played? I use it on my radio show and its a pain in the ass (though less of a pain in the ass than brining 15 cds in).

I have also noticed that if you pause a song it will sometimes go on secretly playing it anyway.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave had two iPods on.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Posh cunt.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 February 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Or; he is TWO people!

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 February 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

No; I got a refund from Apple of 2 ipods innit. Alternatively, I am thick.

Cozen - Glasgow FAP - I'm getting all nervous at the idea of a FAP in my honour; I'd feel like I had to perform. I'm getting into the airport at 7.20 - prolly be finished at my hotel by about 8.30, and am staying at the Ibis.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 19 February 2004 10:39 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Dave, you love performing ;)

2. christhamrin, just hold down the play/pause button for 5 secs and it stops (mine does anyway...)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 19 February 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm using my brother's old iPod that he got almost as soon as they came out (it's a 5Gb one) and I've had no problems with it at all, touch wood. I've never exactly tested how long the battery lasts before it's run out but it must be at least 7 hrs or so though i usually recharge before it gets down to nearly running out levels. Also, no HD problems.

― mms (mms), Thursday, 19 February 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

WOOO I just sold a big pile of Xbox games and bought an iPod (15gb). I'm gonna be broke for a little while but it seems worth it so far. This is very exciting--I've fetishized these fucking things for a long time.

― adam (adam), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Pogue closes the door on the iPod battery issue once and for all.

Excerpting:

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In any case, despite the risk of giving the trollers just the response they were hoping to get, I thought I'd address the chief complaints people seemed to have about the iPod, which I maintain is still the best hard drive-based music player. Didn't I realize, they wrote, that the iPod's battery is permanently sealed inside and lasts only 18 months — a blatant scam by Apple?

It's not actually true that you can't replace the iPod's battery yourself; plenty of Web sites sell replacements and offer instructions. But the real point here is that the iPod's rivals use precisely the same battery design — you can't easily change their batteries, either. (The one exception is the Creative Labs Zen Xtra, whose removable battery I praised in the column.) In other words, a sealed, rechargeable battery is not unique to the iPod; so far, it's part of the fundamental definition of these pocket music players.

As for this "18 months" business: That statistic came from two disgruntled brothers who got a rude brush-off from Apple customer service when their iPod battery died after 18 months of use. They retaliated by spray-painting "iPod's unreplaceable battery lasts only 18 months" all over Apple's posters and billboards in New York City, and then posting a QuickTime movie of their deed on the Web (http://www.ipodsdirtysecret.com).

Shortly thereafter, Apple introduced a battery-replacement program: If your battery dies, they'll replace it for $100 (or less, if you order before the fact). Coincidence? You decide — but as far as I know, Apple is the only company that offers such a replacement.

But here's the thing: The typical iPod battery does not, in fact, die after 18 months. That's possible, but not typical; I have two, and they're still going strong after about three years.

The iPod literature makes clear that the battery can be charged between 300 and 500 times. So to burn out the battery in 18 months, you'd pretty much have to charge and deplete the battery (eight hours of playing) almost every day. That's probably not how most people use their music players. (Much more on this topic at http://ipodbatteryfaq.com.)

But never mind that. The real point is that you'll have the same problem no matter which player you buy. They all use the same lithium-ion rechargeable batteries.
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― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 20 February 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

So, is it a bad idea to run the ipod off the power adaptor, since it depletes the battery and recharges it every time you do this?

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 20 February 2004 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I was wondering about that. There's some special AC adaptor you can get, which suggests that maybe it is.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 20 February 2004 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I sold mine (20GB dock model) with the car power adapter for $320 on Amazon Marketplace. WHOO?!?!?!??!!!

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 26 February 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Why did you sell?

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Commute's too short to justify it now that I work 20 minutes away by train. I had only sparse use for it before and no use for it now. On-The-Go playlists function was useless and CDRs are cheap, plus I can use CDs at my workplace while portable battery powered hard discs et alia are no-go in a secure classified environment.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I should say, on-the-go playlists function never got used because I used it in my car. Bad enough trying to pick out ONE song while manning the steering wheel and throttle of a turbocharged 2 door coupe in rush hour traffic.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Our first i-defector!

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

if you plug it in every day to synchronize with itunes and give it a little charge does that count as one of the 300-500 charges? uh-oh

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

no, fractional charges count as fractions of a charge.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

well that makes sense.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)

it does but its only really the latest generation of battery (Li Ion and Li Polymer, poss NiMH as well), where this has held true.

Incidentally a collegue just went to nyc and came back with three iPod minis to eBay ( not released here yet) and if I had a big enough main HD I would so get one of these over a big iPod, they are smaller than I expected and ever so very cool.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 26 February 2004 06:14 (twenty-one years ago)

get dorky with this story over at Wired

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 26 February 2004 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The other thing is that there's a lot of illegal downloading. Half the people I've talked to so far download music illegally.

...and the other half are LYING to you...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 26 February 2004 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

RESULT!

Because Apple were so sluggish about dealing with my broken iPod, John Lewis just told me they're going to replace it themselves.

Except! The 10gb model is being phased out. "I'll take a 15gb and pay the difference," say I.

Except! The 15gb is now cheaper than the 10gb I bought last year.

So! Not only do I get a brand new, 50% bigger pod -- I also get an £80 refund!

Huzzah!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Cool! Your round!

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I love John Lewis.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

He can't love you back, N.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Not in the way you need him to.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm still skeptical about the minis--what is it, $50US more for 11 more gigabytes?

(also as I said on some other thread I think coloured plastic looks better than coloured metal)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Great news, Jerry! There'll be another CD-R of amusical filth coming yr way in the spring to help gnaw at that extra chunk of capacity!

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Coming around to the disco pastels are we, Ed?

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I would have trouble choosing the colour it has to be said.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I have too many songs on my iPod: the casing's split a bit at the side.

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the blue one to match your eyes.

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 26 February 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the pink one to match your skin.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

nb. That is not supposed to be offensive, except in a general black power way.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

I heard last weekend from someone who works at the PRS that Apple hadn't been in touch re iTunes Music Store in the Uk...this makes me think that it won't be here anytime soon. Bah.

I keep listening to certain tracks on the store, but can't buy. If only there were people in America who could download them email them to me. Ho hum. Will have to wait.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 18 March 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

My iPod is now all scratched and scuffed, which means it feels special.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 March 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Does everyone else's iPod battery totally deplete from full charge if left unused for a few days? Or is it supposed to take longer than that?

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 18 March 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean I can leave my mobile phone switched off for ages and when I turn it on again it's not even lost a single notch of charge. They're both lithium. Is iPod on standby quite a power guzzler or is mine faulty?

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 18 March 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not quite sure I'm ever turning my ipod off. If I turn it off, then lock it, then unlock it, it comes on automatically. Fucking Apple and its lack of a genuine, old fashioned, honest-to-goodness off switch!

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 18 March 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Apple are never very keen on proper off switches. I don't really know why. Anyway, just to clarify, by 'totally deplete' above I am not talking valley girl - I really mean totally deplete - such that there's even enough power for the screen to show up.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 18 March 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Mine does that too, N., and what's more it wipes the clock as well. I normally use it at least every other day though, so it's only been a problem twice.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 March 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

You see I don't use it that often. Seems a bit crap to me.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 18 March 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I've noticed that too, N., and I'm bemused by it but it recharges up just fine so I don't care.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 March 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I care when I want to actually go out and use it but it's dead. I suppose I could permanently leave it in the cradle, plugged into the mains (my computer's not on all the time). I know Lithium batteries aren't supposed to have memory effect problems or whatever, but will this definitely not shorten its life?

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 18 March 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, the clock thing's a bit odd innit, you'd think if they were going to put a clock feature on it, they might have thought to put a battery for the clock to keep time, rather than it needing to be reset every time you run out of charge.

also i didn't use mine for a week, and when i first used it again, the shuffle feature picked ten of the worst bits of tat on there first, clearly it was upset...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 18 March 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

well it didn't have much choice did it steve ;)

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 18 March 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

but the clock syncs with the computer every time you plug it into the mac (I know that's not what it should be but it does)

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 March 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

So it seems my problem is normal. I'm surprised more people haven't complained about it. Maybe Apple will release a software update that will allow you to somehow turn the thing off properly when it's not in use. I doubt it though.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 18 March 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I keep listening to certain tracks on the store, but can't buy. If only there were people in America who could download them email them to me. Ho hum. Will have to wait.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 18 March 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

mon€¥ ta£k$

― dyson (dyson), Thursday, 18 March 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

Right - My iPod suddenyl stopped displaying anything- when I reset it, the apple appears, then nopthing - it's working, but the screen has stopped displaying anything post-bootup. Anyone had this problem before?

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, kind of. Plugging it into the computer and restoring it solved it (basically reformats the HD, I think - so it'll have to load on all the songs from iTunes again)

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope. Didnae work...

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone have a problem with their iPOd spontaneously turning itself on? The last week or so, I have noticed that the thing will sometimes just start playing. And there is no chance it was accidentally touched--it's just sitting there on my book shelf, and then I walk by a little while later and WHAMMO, it's on. Is this just the price of doing business with these crazy sensors?

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave - did your PC even recognise the iPod? Was the restore function available?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Scott - mine occasionally turns itself off, even when locked.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Is anyone having a problem with their iPod logging into their bank account and depleting the funds within to buy French hookers when trying to resynch the iTunes library to the iPod?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

No, but mine did sell itself on Amazon within a day or two of being posted, for about $40 less than I paid for it brand new (admittedly I received a government employee discount).

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

It does play by itself. I know that I haven't really listened to "When the Levee Breaks" 82 complete times.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

the iPod likes to listen to music too

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

My iPod's been talking about me behind my back.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

(I don't have an iPod)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

(which is the scary part)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a Mac N. I have never been more insulted etc. For the record, the iPod seems to work perfetcly, except I just can't see what's happening - it mounts, updates, restores, but the LCD is knackered all of a sudden.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry Dave! For some reason I thought you had a PC. It wasn't a 'he seems like a PC-ish person' assumption or anything. Thinking about it now - you had your (first) iPod before they were available for Windows, didn't you?

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

now you've gone and mentioned that too!

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Huh?

I really didn't read Dave's initial question properly, looking at it again. Sounds like it's call in your guarantee time.

iPods be breaking left right and centre. Time to launch my 5cm DVD MP£ walkman worldbeater.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought dave was 'sensitive' about his first iPod cs he lost it in acrimonious / silly / annoying / &c. circumstances (i.e. on a bus, asleep?).

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I think a man should be allowed to fall asleep on a bus, iPod a-dangle, if he so wishes.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

(If this was the seventies, I would insert a joke about tranny-dangling here.)

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

MP£? Wowser - is this where the Motion Picture Experts Group come up with a compression algorithm so advanced that merely incrementing the digit goes right out the bleedin' window and they just spin on into other ASCII characters? Hence, one 5cm DVD containing all commercially released music ever with an onboard buffer and wireless web connection for topping up every subsequent Monday.

Or was it is a sticky shift key?

(Mark: if this was the 70s I'd tower over you like some boy-colossus).

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I did have my first one with a PC, then fell asleep after a night in the Borderline and had my pocket rifled on the nightbus; other passengers shouted to try and wake me, but I wasn't for waking. Idiot boy.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

What did they shout? "Oi mate, you're being robbed - wake up!"

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

They were shouting "THE VENGABUS IS COMING, MOTHERFUCKER!"

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know as I was asleep. They just said 'we tried to wake you' but only woke me when they jolted me when the thief had gotten off the bus; they were too scared to intervene whilst it was going. I was pleased really for three reason, in retrospect:

- I didn't have any fear afterwards of walking home etc - I got mugged, but no trauma. yay!

- They didn't take my bag with my mac in it, as I had wrapped the strap around me and turned the bag around so the flap was face-down. Hurray for London anti-theft measures when pissed as a fart. Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner now etc.

- They didn't take my shitty phone - memo to world - no-one nicks shit phones.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope the stolen one broke too.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope it became implicated in an international kiddie-fiddling racket.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

No, they just looked at it and decided they lucked out. Instead of hip and happening mash ups, it was full of fey indie shite and electropop.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.ipodhacks.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=index

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I've not clicked on that link, but I'm assuming it's a plug-in to turn fey indie shite and electropop into fey indie shite and electropop Jay-Z mashups.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

No, it's just some boring tech site.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.apple63.ru/news/images/1392/big.jpg http://www.apple63.ru/news/images/1392/big.jpg
http://www.apple63.ru/news/images/1392/big.jpg http://www.apple63.ru/news/images/1392/big.jpg
http://www.apple63.ru/news/images/1392/big.jpg http://www.apple63.ru/news/images/1392/big.jpg
http://www.apple63.ru/news/images/1392/big.jpg http://www.apple63.ru/news/images/1392/big.jpg

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...

I think my ipod is pretty much fuckt now. it won't turn on, the computer won't recognise it, I can't do the menu button + play reset or the ipod updater reset. is there anything else I could try?

― cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 23 December 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago)

I don't think iPods like being left in the car during extremely cold weather.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 23 December 2004 16:41 (twenty years ago)

Batteries do not do well at all in cold weather, nor do LCD screens although the effects should reverse if you warm them up, but try to warm them up slowly.

Cozen, could be a dead battery, it may stop it from booting even with power connected. Try www.eurobatteries.com. I got a new battery for mine recently, dead easy to replace.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 23 December 2004 17:31 (twenty years ago)

my screen gets this weird oily effect sometimes, with streaks across it. it's done it since I got it, and only shows up every once in a while. very weird.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 23 December 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago)

shit, I think it might be the battery in fact. recently when I've been using it it's had shorter life span, it's not been keeping it's charge long at all, and even when left overnight unplugged in the morning it had lost its charge. always helps to have an uncle at apple!

― cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 23 December 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago)

For me, it's more helpful to have a player that gives you access to the battery so we can change it ourselves! Mmmmm, Zen.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 23 December 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago)

I just went to the Soho Apple Store to buy one for my sister (I owe her a nice present) and JESUS they are flying off the shelves. Mostly all the 20 and minis.... Literally every person in line was buying one. Critical mass indeed.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 23 December 2004 18:09 (twenty years ago)

If the SoHo apple store still has them, my brother has absolutely no excuse for my christmas present!

― 3underscore (___), Thursday, 23 December 2004 20:35 (twenty years ago)

They seemed to have plenty but there were indeed flying off the shelves

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 23 December 2004 21:01 (twenty years ago)

when i first went into the store to buy one over the summer, the bastard in front of me in line got the very last one they had in stock. i went back the next day and i got the very last one they had in stock (and it wasn't even a new one). later on when i went in to get a replacement cuz it was busted, they were also fresh out of new ones and they had to fetch me a returned/repaired one.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 23 December 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.fredflare.com/customer/product.php?productid=624&cat=252

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 24 December 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago)

man, that isn't even a picture, I just type 'i' reflexively now when I paste a link, wtf?

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 24 December 2004 00:52 (twenty years ago)

re:replacing the batteries: does the cover come off easily enough and does it just snap back onto the backing?

― cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 31 December 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Here's another classic:

If I put my iPod on to charge, then don't use it for a few days, it charges itself for a day or two AND THEN STOPS CHARGING ITSELF AND STARTS WEARING THE BATTERY DOWN. I mean what the fuck?!? I go back to it after a week and the fucking thing's not working, which seems to be its default state.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 31 December 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Why don't you set the sleep timer to 15 minutes, Mark?

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 31 December 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago)

re:replacing the batteries: does the cover come off easily enough and does it just snap back onto the backing?

If you're asking about the Zen models, it depends on the model. The new Zen Micro has a back that slides off when you apply a bit of force to it...in other words it won't just fall off when you're not expecting it, but it's not a huge pain to get into. For the larger Zen models with the replaceable battery, you remove the front panel by clicking a release switch on the bottom of the player. Again, there's no worry that it'll just fall off, unless you break the plastic connectors by mauling it.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 31 December 2004 18:43 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

Weird thing's happening to my 4G Ipod - I turn off the clicker for the scroll wheel for both speaker or earphones. When it wakes from sleep, it bliddy resets and clciks. Anyone had the same trouble? Anyone found a fix?

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

turning the clicker off again seems to work

― Snappy (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Even more, after repeating the process a couple of times, it seems to remember to keep the click off... Mine did that as well for the first few days, but now it's calmly settled for my chosen silence.

― maos (maos), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/03/BUGF9D2MK31.DTL

― Monkey of the SOUTH, Friday, 3 June 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone know how set up 2 ipods on the one pc? The 2nd one won't install and the help line is no good as the ipod is past the 90 days cut off.
The same music will be on the ipod so thats ok.
I just need to knowhow to install/run the 2nd ipod.

Help would be much appreciated.
Thanks.

― Roger Ramjet, Friday, 3 June 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

I have one of those, adam, but I'll get nothing since I bought it off a friend.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 3 June 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Mine is fuxx0red again. I guess I'll wait until the battery runs down. Here is my understanding- a little vibration, iPod resting on vibrating machinery, little shudder going through building, may cause it to spontaneously turn on. A lot of vibration- putting it in pocket and walking too fast will cause it to pause or, in worst case freeze up.

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 3 June 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Yeah - mine froze up the other week. Was most annoying, as I was walking around and really in a music listening frame of mind, rather than just carrying it. Sod that it is.

― 3underscore (___), Saturday, 4 June 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

Mine: pauses during songs; the music cuts out during songs but the song keeps playing; when one song finishes, skips ahead an arbitrary number of songs instead of just playing the next in line. It does this on about 20% of tunes at the moment.

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 4 June 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

is it full?

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 4 June 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

I don't live in america else I would fall within the remit of that lawsuit's protection.

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 4 June 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Mark, even if it is not full it could be heavily fragmented. Delete all songs from is and copy them back on and keep at least 10% and ideally 20% free disc space.

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 4 June 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

agreed.

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 4 June 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

I would fall within the remit of that lawsuit's protection.

Listen to him, all la-di-da with his LAWYERLY language!

― KKSF, Saturday, 4 June 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Bottomless iPod?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 4 June 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

It's about half full. I'll do what you suggested - if only because I was already thinking it would stop working altogether soon. I do not trust this hardware at all.

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 4 June 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

Mine sometimes likes to skip over a track, but it's almost always the track that I have selected (e.g., I select the first track of an album, and it starts playing the second.) Annoying but not terribly frequent.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 5 June 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

Should I buy a competitor?

In the States, or here (UK)?

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 5 June 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

That happens to me, too, Chris.

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 5 June 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

Hooray! After several weeks of gurgling death throes followed by a week or so in an eerie state of almost complete catatonia I revivified my iPod today! IT LIVES!!!

― Tom D., Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago)

did you hit it or drop it on da floor? the ipod equivalent of using a defibrilator on it in my experience. but it only temporarily delays death if that's what it's been doing.

― Upt0eleven, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago)

Oh no, I've been beating up on my iPod to get it to work for years, it looks like it's went 15 rounds with Ali, this went beyond mere physical force - resetting, restoring, formatting, I gave it the works.

― Tom D., Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago)

well godspeed to it sir. i have so little faith in these things (and apple in general) that i'm planning on deliberately destroying my current (my third) pod and demanding a new one from them shortly before it reaches the end of its year warranty.

― Upt0eleven, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago)

I've only ever had one, and that was secondhand, I think you have to be prepared to work on them a bit to keep the little bastards alive

― Tom D., Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago)

A bit like a tamagotchi in many ways

― Tom D., Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:45 (seventeen years ago)

my first http://linuxbrit.co.uk/gadgets/lg/IMG_0450.JPG

was stolen. which was sad. i was very fond of it. the second i got pissed off with after it kept giving up on me when i was djing. this one i have refused to form a relationship with and am looking forward to when i can manipulate evil apple into upgrading me to a 40gb touch screen.

― Upt0eleven, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago)

good luck fag

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago)

Not sure if everyone knows about this site? I've used the businesscard trick on 2 ipods, and worked both times. My first ipod gave me 3 years, then since I cracked it open and added the card, an additional 2.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/03/05/crunchgear-how-to-fix-an-ipod-that-wont-boot/

― paulhw, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:08 (seventeen years ago)

I looked at that site but that looked too complicated for the likes of me

― Tom D., Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:20 (seventeen years ago)

My iPod works just fine, except for the fact that there's a black line about a quarter of the way down the screen that over the past few weeks has gotten thicker in places. It looks like it was drawn with an Etch-a-Sketch. Good thing I never use the iPod to watch video, but I'm still concerned that the screen will slowly, eventually become unreadable.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago)

anyone able to clear up why i was called a "fag"?

― Upt0eleven, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago)

aspergers

― DG, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 20:25 (seventeen years ago)

fun fact: $10,000 invested in Apple stock the day this thread was started would now be worth over $135,000

― wanko ergo sum, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago)

My friend types now:

so my art teach was trying to steal some more music from my iPod today.so after fucking with this iPod ripper thing(Zenuti) all during my study hall in there
she hands it back. After school I try to play a song and it just skips to the next song,then to the next one(and so on).So now all three thousand somethin songs are all showing up BUT WONT PLAY! I came down with the terrible feeling,like my girlfriend left me or something,as lame as that sounds.
will some one iPod savy PLEEEEEEEEASE HELP ME!
I will be forever in debt

My friend is done typing now.

― roxymuzak, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 01:02 (seventeen years ago)

Delete and re-sync from Mac.

― libcrypt, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 03:47 (seventeen years ago)

get the art teacher fired

― electricsound, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 03:49 (seventeen years ago)

Fire a round into the art teach.

― libcrypt, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 03:55 (seventeen years ago)

brrrrrrat brrrrrrrrrat

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 04:01 (seventeen years ago)

Mail me the iPod and I will fix it.

― libcrypt, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 04:07 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

Got an iPod for nothing, which was pretty rad, and after working out teething problems (or not, as evidenced in the firewire questions thread) with USB I went to give it a go, and the headphone socket doesn't work.

I cracked it open and it appears the ribbon cable has come apart from the little white box (top right of the left half)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2083/2192693128_fb5b163610_o.jpg

Looks like it'd be a right bastard to solder, has this happened to anyone else? Should I take it into an Apple store? I wonder if there are Apple stores here.

It's a third gen iPod, like this one upthread

iPod ???

― S-, Monday, 14 January 2008 14:16 (seventeen years ago)

dude, just google.... this stuff is well documented

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 14 January 2008 14:30 (seventeen years ago)

I think my iPod is finally dead, it's making a sort of chirping noise, which apparently means it's fucked

― Tom D., Thursday, 24 January 2008 16:02 (seventeen years ago)

iPod ???

― and what, Thursday, 24 January 2008 16:24 (seventeen years ago)

My iPod lives again again! I stuck a knife in it and it started working.

― Tom D., Thursday, 31 January 2008 10:25 (seventeen years ago)

When you're on a date, take a girl through a park and pick her some flowers. Then, knife an ipod. -- (after) chaki, Monday, 17 December 2007 23:30

― Mark G, Thursday, 31 January 2008 10:32 (seventeen years ago)

how long do you think it will be before we will be able to buy ipods with the maximum capacity which are the size a nano is now?

I have a nano (owned since October last year). I always have it on shuffle, yet most ppl I speak to hate shuffle. I associate listening to whole albums with sitting at home. On the move I like to be surprised. It kind of fits with travelling through a changing environment to have changing music.

― Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 31 January 2008 10:38 (seventeen years ago)

I'm hanging onto my mini until it finally packs up for good, in the hope that a mini/nano size 80GB (or not even that much, I guess 30 would do fine for me really) will come out soon. Not that I have the money for a new ipod anyway at the moment.

I always have mine on shuffle as well unless there's something specific I fancy listening to.

― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 31 January 2008 10:46 (seventeen years ago)

I also really like the fact that it's shiny silver on the back. The future has arrived!

― Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 31 January 2008 10:48 (seventeen years ago)

Genie, I listen a lot to shuffle while out and about. It's really good for discovering and rediscovering stuff that's kind of lost on my CD shelves.

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 31 January 2008 10:50 (seventeen years ago)

Never solved the problem I had just up thread. Despite Jon's insistence to google there doesn't seem to be a solution I can find.

― S-, Thursday, 31 January 2008 11:00 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPNaATd3u7U

― libcrypt, Sunday, 27 April 2008 17:51 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

I can't find an appropriate thread, but:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8117619.stm

BBC lets 13-year old use tape walkman for a week instead of his iPod.

"It took me three days to figure out that there was another side to the tape."

― StanM, Monday, 29 June 2009 16:12 (fifteen years ago)

"I mistook the metal/normal switch on the Walkman for a genre-specific equaliser"

hahahaha

― ledge, Monday, 29 June 2009 16:14 (fifteen years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45984000/jpg/_45984325_scott_466.jpg

BEGGING for a caption.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 June 2009 16:28 (fifteen years ago)

and a haircut!

― Matt P, Monday, 29 June 2009 16:29 (fifteen years ago)

Diet's definitely working for Gervais, tho.

― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 29 June 2009 16:57 (fifteen years ago)

I thought it was a young James Corden.

― Alba, Monday, 29 June 2009 17:09 (fifteen years ago)

I'm so glad everyone's linking to such an entertaining and informative article!

― can iiiijjjjust (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 June 2009 17:11 (fifteen years ago)

I mean, I hope the kid is OK! He had to use a walkman for a whole week!

― can iiiijjjjust (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 June 2009 17:11 (fifteen years ago)

Fathom the thought of such a harrowing ordeal!

― can iiiijjjjust (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 June 2009 17:12 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

Results 1 - 10 of about 6,170,000 for ipod left channel not working. (0.48 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,890,000 for ipod right channel not working. (0.36 seconds)

strange imbalance (literally)

for me the right channel started cutting out recently and won't work at all unless i press the area where the earphone cord starts but it's well random

― unban dictionary (blueski), Thursday, 13 August 2009 20:13 (fifteen years ago)

Oh, there's a physical reason for the imbalance, but I'm probably not the right person to explain it. It'll have to do with plugs having three contact points (tip, ring, and sleeve, I think?) and how stereo connections use them differently. So whatever bit always goes wrong on iPod jacks would seem to more often be the bit for the left channel.

I'm surprised about the jacks, to be honest -- two out of three iPods I've used have had the jacks fail. It's hard to imagine someone selling something that expensive and not just putting a sturdier jack in. (I am trying not to be cynical about replacement sales or anything.)

― nabisco, Thursday, 13 August 2009 20:25 (fifteen years ago)

aha, wait, I think I can explain it -- with stereo plugs it's like:

sleeve = ground
ring = right channel
tip = left channel

so on iPods possibly it's the tip connection that fails more often

― nabisco, Thursday, 13 August 2009 20:35 (fifteen years ago)

three months pass...

how do I get this stupid Voice Memo thing off of my main menu. it is not listed under the "Settings/Main Menu". it just appeared the other day. totally annoying me.

― Owa Tana Siam (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 December 2009 16:39 (fifteen years ago)

can't, you just gotta move it to one of your other screens that you hardly ever look at - that's what i do with "stocks" and "youtube" and whatever

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 4 December 2009 17:21 (fifteen years ago)

unless you are talkin about a different kinda ipod i dunno

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 4 December 2009 17:22 (fifteen years ago)

eh I just rebooted the OS and that got rid of it. although I am perplexed as to why it just appeared in the first place. the only thing I can think of is that I plugged it into a mixing board the other day and it must have mistaken that for a microphone input and started up the feature...? whatever. its gone now.

― unobtaintium (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 December 2009 17:24 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

Have you filled your iPod? I never have. I'm curious about how everyone treats theirs.

― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:38 (thirteen years ago)

Haven't yet, but that's only because I haven't gotten around to putting the 28-disc Sun Ra set on it.

― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:42 (thirteen years ago)

i have an 80 gb and filled it a long time ago. currently jonesing for the 160 one

― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:43 (thirteen years ago)

six months pass...

My (always chock full) 160GB has found a new way to vex me. It functions normally on its own, and mounts in iTunes just fine, but refuses to let me alter its contents. If I try to delete stuff, iTunes just perma-freezes. Anyone encountered this? I have to wipe it don't I :(

― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 15:27 (thirteen years ago)

eight years pass...

anyone know of a good mp3 device with bluetooth they would recommend? super dumbed down interface preferred, i often find the 'features' that the iphone environment forces on you to make things harder. streaming from my phone is getting untenable. 32GB or 64GB would probably be fine. i don't want cloud-based anything, i don't mind updating manually at all

― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 22:41 (four years ago)

oh, and if this is becoming a thing outside of the apple world, YES i want a headphone jack, jeez

― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 22:41 (four years ago)

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