san francisco classic or dud

See, now, I can actually pay rent. And park. Fuck Amoeba.

SF: Hopefully classic since I'm living right next door. I haven't run through it thoroughly enough to decide.

the smart way is just go down the block near frederick and you'll see a parking lot that amoeba validates...much easier.

Then I realise I'm at the bottom of the steepest hill in Christendom, my foot slips on the clutch - botched hill start and I roll backwards gently in the the SFPD's parking lot.

So Dud.

Mark my words, though, either Philadelphia or Pittsburgh will be the next great American city to be spoiled by the trendies.

As for Philly, I've noticed the transformation of formerly shabby/working-class sections into trendier-than-thou enclaves (Manyunk and Northern Liberties), just like what happened to Tribeca. And South Street ain't as much fun as it was when I was teenager. Still, I think folks from Newcastle or Birmingham would probably find goodly portions of Philly to be "just like home." Maybe I should take my musings to the now-sadly defunct "gentrification" thread, tho' and not spoil Nathalie's stay in SF with my sourpussisms.

Flemish tourists=Dud

If it's just the gay element one is looking for in a city, I can safely say as an observer that such a one is better off in either Portland or Seattle than SF, for a hit/miss ratio.

Another observation though is that there are a lot more people in SF that pretend to be insane. In Seattle, a lot of people are certifiably insane.

That said, I think SF is a great city... some of the coolest people I know live there, which makes it great to save money when finding a place to stay there. (heh heh). But given current economic trends, and the "Vegetation is our enemy" feel I get in the more affordable areas in the city, I can't advocate living there right now.

Besides, once you actually have to leave the 7 square miles that is SF (to go to work most likely), and maybe parts of Berkeley, you find yourself in suburbia that's not much different than the southern California variety.. except the rent's twice as high.

there were tons of great clubs (chameleon/kennel club/purple onion/i-bar/killowatt) and the weirdest, most absurd music scene imaginable: the whole amarillo/bananafish axis in particular was completely eye-opening to my young head.

those days are long gone, and even despite recent closures of critical venues to the phoenix from the ashes weird-core scene (clit-stop, kimo's etc.) i'm still here, still going to shows and trying to play in and about.

was tempted by nyc about 3 years ago, but the winters might be too frosty for my butt. it's like 75 here today with a calm breeze... it could be buenos aires.

Wha? You must be in the Mission or something...

By JACKIE HALLIFAX
Associated Press

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Gov. Jeb Bush joked during a Florida Cabinet meeting Wednesday that the people of San Francisco may be endangered and, "That's probably good news for the country."

The subject was environmental land and Bush was looking at a map showing locations with a lot of different wildlife.

"It looks like the people of San Francisco are an endangered species, which may not be a bad thing. That's probably good news for the country."

People in the room broke into laughter

"Did I just say that out loud?" the governor asked.

San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown wasn't too worried by the comment, according to spokesman P.J. Johnston.

"When he finally stopped laughing, he said, 'I'm sure this is a tongue-in-cheek comment. I'd feel a little better if the governor would send me one of his alligators; I've got a supervisor that needs companionship,'" Johnston said.

Johnston also said he didn't think residents of San Francisco would be much disturbed by what the governor said.

"By and large San Franciscans have a good sense of humor and will not be dreadfully offended," Johnston said, adding that he wished people in politics would also "lighten up."

But the head of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force didn't see anything funny in the governor's comment and believed it to be anti-gay because of San Francisco's large gay population.

"It's extremely insulting," said Matt Foreman. "But of course I would say that gay people in Florida are far more endangered than gay people in California."

Bush told reporters he was just joking and added another quip: "Don't call Willie Brown."

Bush spokesman Jacob DiPietre later explained the governor's thinking: "The Cabinet was talking about endangered species and everyone knows that Republicans are an endangered species in California."

Bush has been amused by California before. In mid-August, the topic was Gary Coleman, the former child actor who jumped into the California gubernatorial recall race.

"I'm glad that Gary Coleman lives in California," Bush said. "A guy like me that believes in limited government probably would have a tough time against a fellow like that because he probably symbolizes smaller government."

Coleman took the comment in stride.

"I don't know about Jeb Bush," he said. "But if I become governor, I will represent the little guys, the people that big people tend to step on when they want to get somewhere."

Check out Santa Monica near Los Angeles (recent homeless population estimated at 85k).

I was surprised by how little seemed to be going on there. Gygax!, my friends echoed your comments above from a year ago, about clubs closing and stuff. Do you think it's any better now?

What you probably encountered in the mission is the byproduct of a very intense drug user/dealer hot-spot.

There has been a mass exodus of people from SF. First the artists/bohemians/subculture ca. 96-97 (tho i have friends that will argue 91 when their 2 bedroom on mission/20th rent was raised from $125 to $150/mo.), and then again after the dotcom/tech bubble burst a couple years ago.

although there is still a healthy nightlife/culture, much of it has moved into low-exposure underground venues. certain areas that were goldmine real-estate for nightlife (broadway between kearny and columbus) now sit boarded up or if open, can be painfully empty (i'm thinking of that huge new bright blue japanese place in particular, someone needs to go by and tell them it's not 1997 anymore).

and dean is right, downtown LA at night has (not only great art installations) circa 5th/6th a very heavy homeless population... los angeles' infamous "skid row" (the origin of the phrase if i believe right).

He is in fact like a terrible sci-fi film's version of the Perfect Politician. He is the bad man taking control of Gotham while being secretly controlled by alien insects. He is the Mayor from Buffy.

Actually he's probably not as evil as his detractors would like us to believe, he's rather naive politically (his speech when he came in first in the election was so transparent, with it's hoard of multi-cultural faces behind him, and him pointing and saying, "look at this diversity!" yeesh!), and I could imagine a LOT worse (I don't think he'd be much of a change from Willie), but still, Gonzalez/Newsom is no contest in my mind. But there are more yuppies around here than you'd think and the populace still likes pretty people, and wants to hear someone say they'll clean up the buses and the streets even if they have no feasable plan to do so.

I live in Berkeley though where we have our own dippy mayor so I don't even really get to talk.

Were you trying to find parking?

Spaceman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Willie

gygax!

(seriously, kyle?)

(thanks!)

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yeah i may do the wine country thing anyway, and I'll have plenty of time to check out the city itself. Airfare is cheap. yay! (even though it's a Xmas present anyway)

go to the marine mammal center in the Marin Headlands...also drive out to Stinson beach.

Rent one of the old nags at the horse rental ranch in half moon bay and take the thing out on the beach.

if you have enough time, visit the mission in Carmel and take the "17 mile drive" - that's about 2 and a half hours from SF

Scramento is also only a 2hr drive, but it's pretty boring.

Santa Cruz is nearby and it's pretty great. beach and forest all right next each other. kinda granola-y, but beautiful. there's a good Street Light Records there too.

No, my dad, but I have visited Carmel pretty much once a year since I was three or so, and ever since my parents moved there in 1994 twice a year if not more. Heaven on earth.

Eisbar, name three people in this picture.

http://www.sfgov.org/images/bdsupvrs/fullboard.jpg

Six Degrees of Gygax!

the presidio was an army base and the houses were officer's quarters and barracks. the nicer housers were general's homes and such. have you seen the pet cemetary?

the hobart building is near your work. 2nd/market... look up, i think that's the one with the angel sculptures.

I have not seen the Pet Semetary. Are "they" really going to build on the Presidio?

Classic or dud - Art schools whose presidents ride around in limos with the license plate "I art"?

Direct all Santa Cruz questions to me. The streetlight there is pretty good. Better, the street urchins at the bus station across the street.

if you go the the monterey penisula (carmel, monterey, salinas), i recommend Cannery Row. The aquarium in Monterey is world famous (i like the jellyfish room, and i think you would too esp. if i'm picking up on what @d@m is saying) but that is frequented by tourists.

i have to warn you about downtown carmel, it's very stodgy and uptight for a bay area coastal town. overpriced martha stewart art galleries and men in pressed khakis and tucked in lacoste v-necks.

santa clara, ca is not only the computer capital of the world but also home to the winchester mystery house which was featured on an episode of That's Incredible.

Also featured on an episode of That's Incredible was the Santa Cruz Mystery Spot, a 150 foot diameter area that defies both physics and gravity.

20 mins. north of SF across the GG Bridge is John Muir Woods and about 10 minutes north you can drive to the top of Mt. Tamalpais for (on a clear day), some of the best views of the bay area.

Sacramento is about 80 miles east (1:15 with no traffic, Ja>Coloma is about 15 minutes north east of Sacramento and was home to Sutter's Mill where gold was found in 1848.

Similar to the ghost towns of Coloma, about 10-15 minute walk from downtown SF you can find the Ghost Town Of The DotCom Boom, aka SOMA. Tumbleweeds roll down open roads, empty buildings postered with faded For Lease signs, and if you listen closely enough, sometimes you can hear the faint hum of Paul Van Dyk thumping it's precious last beats.

But that's the charm -- those are the tourists and they confuse everybody. The people who live there are far more relaxed. ;-)

Also...new answers for where to find a good sit down bagel.

there are no good bagels in SF that I've found. There's Noahs and they are doughy monstrosities (although occasionally that's okay).

haha. gygax, this is totally funny. if you're really lucky and you live here like i do, you get to see people jumping off roofs directly across from your house

dude, is AGD ok?

nordiqua,
i don't eat bagels or drink coffee so i don't know what to tell ya (although there is a place in downtown san rafael on 4th street that defiantly proclaims that they sell "real bagels for real people").

=

"no, you fucking bums, you cannot use the bathroom, not even if you buy something, no"

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Nope, I know of a couple other beaches on the island but neither one has black sand. I'd be curious to hear more about this magical black sand beach.

There's the kayak beach on the west side of the island. Then there's a beach on the east side of the island, it's near all of the old army barracks.

nah, she's pretty sick. stomach flu since saturday night. she's getting a little better though

is that near the internment camps?

If you go to Monterey there's a really great Hawaiian restaurant that you should check out, I completely forgot what it was called and how to get there, but they had sake martinis that were to die for. They also have an nice independent theater downtown (the Osio) and a bunch of crazy pubs that fill up with military jackasses every Friday at about 7pm. Good times.

Not far from Cannery Row is a sushi joint where they have a floating buffet revolving around on wooden otters. Also totally awesome.

Monterey in retrospect was really nice, but at the time I kind of hated it. Circumstances. Ugh.

The Mystery Spot is dumb. The Winchester house, OTOH, was a lot of fun and complete madness. Bitch was CRAZY. Of course it's a guided tour so be prepared to deal with that, our guide was a little obnoxious and seemed REALLY INTO the servant's wages and the economy of the day.

The aquarium is fantastic, I will agree.

My favorite parts of SF are all the touristy joints. The park, Japantown, and Haight street. Clubbing in SF south of Mission was never not fun. Though I definitely thought Berkeley was always worth a visit (even after they opened the bigger Amoeba on haight).

wooden otters!!

YES! But obv. there will be no bagels and coffee FAP for us! :( :(

I really enjoyed the last SFAP, and have barely done anything even vaguely social with fellow human beings since!

Errr...wasn't Arthur meant to coming up to SF? Maybe Sean knows?

Though I definitely thought Berkeley was always worth a visit

Well, YES!

I believe that the mystery spot is a place where the laws of gravity appear not to apply, but actually it's a trick of the light/terrain or something? So you can roll a ball down a hill and it will look like it is rolling UP a hill? Hmmmm, that was how it was explained to me but I'm sure somebody will put me right.

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Yes, it's all in the same area around Fort McDowell. Here's a link to the map of the island if you're interested.

http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/468/files/AngelIslandCamping.pdf

The beach we're talking about is Quarry Beach and it's on the East side of the island by the Sunrise sites 7,8, and 9.

But the really cool beach is Perles Beach on the South side of the island, right below the Ridge sites 4, 5, and 6. This is the beach that looks directly back on downtown SF and has an amazing view of the GG Bridge etc.

We were lucky enough to camp on Angel Island three times this year and each trip was amazing. I highly recommend the Ridge campgrounds and specifically sites 4 and 5.

Well, I waited till the last minute and the flights were too expensive. And I don't trust my car these days.

Maybe I'll make it up around Martin Luther King Day.

(/immigrant)

-- Brian MacDonald (brian...), September 27th, 2001.

Hmmmmm, this "Brain MacDonald" seems familiar to me somehow...

we TOTALLY need to do this! Kris should come for sure too, and i don't know who else is SF really?

http://www.osric.com/~jeremy/sanfran/sanfran0150.jpg

nothing like a stack of police barricades sitting around city hall, just in case somebody needs 'em.

http://www.vta.org/vasona/images/sfmuni.gif

(I stress "suckaz", by the way)

http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/pierce.jpg

but close.

Where are you downtown, kyle?

Why are all the good bagels so far away from here? why why?

You mean, in NY?

Levi-Strauss, the Magnins, The Haas family, etc...

has anyone been to Town Hall (owned and cooked by same peeps as Postrio)? we're going there tonight.

uh, Wolfgang Puck?

Food's good. Crowd is insufferable. So noisy I couldn't hear a thing.

Doug and Mitch were Puck's chefs while he retained an 'executive chef' kinda title, I believe.

What else is there left to say about the city and county of San Francisco, California?

well for starters, the city and county limits are one in the same.

i love you.

what are you doing tomorrow night?

failing that, laundry.

This is a rather hip thing to say, but I know that you know that.

lychee garden is probably way more friendly for the 'rents and they do lunch/dim sum (powell/broadway).

pearl city (not far from kay cheung) is probably a the most 'rent friendly, they do a good dim sum but it's basically 2x $$$ as KC, not as good, but the staff speaks more english and they have menus.

my mom called to find out where it was, and they told her on Kearny between Cray & Sacramento. she said, "ok, Cray & Sacramento?". they said, "Yes, Cray. C.L.A.Y". now she's worried they're gonna pee in our soup

Snoop Dogg, et al. have pilfered Bay Area hip-hop slang for years. No more.

BY ERIC K. ARNOLD
eric.arnold@eastbayexpress.com

We pass new slang terms around like joints -- quietly, coyly, and informally. But that informality often clouds the issue of who first rolled the doobie in question. To this end, Bay Area hip-hop deserves a hell of a lot more credit.

The cultural significance of slang has only grown with the advent of the hip-hop era -- terms once far outside the mainstream's cultural nexus have become familiar, even ubiquitous. When Oakland rap group 3X Krazy was spitting out phrases like "Fa sheezy weezy in the keezy" (translation: "For certain, we feel at home") back in the mid-'90s, no one could've possibly predicted that nearly a decade later, Fran Drescher (TV's The Nanny) would one day say "Fa shizzle" in an Old Navy commercial.

Yes, the Yay Area is sick and tired of having its slang bitten, after years of local MCs watching helplessly as their regional expressions were co-opted by out-of-town rappers, talk-show hosts, celebrities, and even politicians: Who can ever forget the Reverend Jesse Jackson saying "Fa shizzle ma nizzle" at an awards show a few years back?

These days, terms like "It's all good" and "Off the hook" are as popular at sporting events as hip-hop shows. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Girls Gone Wild and Soul Plane star Snoop Dogg hosts a TV show called Doggy Fizzle Televizzle, yet that terminology actually originated on the Oakland streets, and was later borrowed by Vallejo-based E-40 -- who credited 3X Krazy with "lacing" him back in 1996, noting the group "taught me how to say 'Fa sheezy. '"

Snoop is actually a repeat offender: Back when he was known as Snoop Doggy Dogg, he gaffled Too $hort's famous rallying cry, "Biiiiiiiiiitch!," as did numerous others, including E-40 and B-Legit, who at least introduced the clever variants "Bootch" and "Batch."(Another local alternate phrasing of the B-word is "Breezy," which sounds sophisticated, but isn't.)

More recently, Lil' Jon and the Ying Yang Twins had a platinum single with "Get Low," which happens to be the name of a Fillmore rap crew, the Get Low Playaz, who first popularized the term (and its corresponding dance) in 1994 with the song "Game Recognize Game." Similarly, terms such as "Pop yo' colla" and "Real talk" were an integral part of Yay Area slang years before they became national catchphrases.

With current Bay Area words like "Hyphy" -- a combination of "hype" and "fly" popularized by the Federation/E-40 song of the same name -- already making the national rounds, some local artists are taking the unusual step of attempting to copyright their original phrases before someone else does.

According to KPFA air personality and rapper T-Kash, speech that can be identified with an individual person or group has an inherent economic value: "It's not just slang. It's a commodity." He notes that Dephunk Gotti of Oaktown crew Products of My Environment has already copyrighted his favorite sayings ("Instantly" and "Buttlucker"), while Mistah Fab, another Oakland rapper, has done the same with "On-mamas" (derived from the ever-popular "I put that on my mama"). Mistah Fab has particular motivation to shield himself and his verbiage: His term "Nig-Latin," obviously affectionate in his case, was co-opted and used as a slur by white supremacist Web sites without his consent.

As Fab relates, he received an e-mail from a group based out of Montgomery, Alabama, which used "Nig-Latin" as an example of how "suburban youth has been corrupted" by black culture to the point where they "no longer speak proper English." His stunned reaction: "That tripped me out!" Slang, he explains, "is just the way we communicate," offering up a few choice examples: "Like 'Yurp,' when they say 'Yurple,' that's, like, marijuana. Like a person'll be like, man, you got some yurp? Some Barney? Barney is purple. Purple kush, you know what I mean?"

The incident spurred the rapper to look into protecting what he deemed his own linguistic innovations. After all, he wouldn't want the following scenario to become reality: "Say I'm in the studio with Snoop and I say, 'Man, pass me that Barney right now, let me get on space.' And he be like, 'Aw, that was clean,' and he comes out with a song called 'I'm Using Barney in Space.' Everybody gonna be like, 'Oh, Snoop crazy, Snoop came up with it. '"

As for Snoop's TV show, Fab says, "Aw, c'mon. 3X Krazy came out with that so long ago, 'Tribble ribble my nizzle,' you know, that's hilarious." By copyrighting his phrases, Fab thinks he can prevent that from happening to him: "C'mon, man, we plant this soil, we fertilized this soil, y'all grow up from our game, and then y'all don't even want to acknowledge the things we done gave y'all?"

Best of all, he says, it's free (or at least, relatively cheap) to make one's slang official. "It's basic copyright clauses," he explains. "You go get your paperwork, you send off your words -- at the most, it's gonna cost you about nine, ten dollars. You send that off, and once that's certified you, that's you."

Or is it? T-Kash points to the legal precedent set by sports announcer Michael Buffer, who trademarked the phrase "Let's Get Ready to Rrrrrrrrrumble" (or "LGRTR," as Buffer's Web site phrases it). Whenever "LGRTR" is uttered -- be it a pay-per-view boxing match, a NASCAR race, an episode of The Simpsons, or a Hollywood film like Ocean's Eleven -- Buffer is paid a licensing fee.

But Oakland-based entertainment attorney Michael Ashburne isn't so sure slang can be owned by anyone. Ashburne, who specializes in sampling and copyright issues in addition to representing numerous rappers (including the Hieroglyphics), says that for any given slang phrase, copyrighted or not, "for someone to have a case about the use of this word, you'd have to say, 'It was created in my song, I copyrighted the song, and you can't use that word."

The problem, he adds, is that "just by putting it in the song doesn't mean it takes it out of the public domain. Just because you heard something other people said and put it in your song doesn't necessarily give you the right to copyright it."

Ashburne speculates, however, that "If you called somebody by 'Fa Shnizzle,' and that was your name, and you performed in this area, then under common law, you could acquire rights to that name ... [if] people recognize you by that name." But the commonality of speech would make invention and ownership of slang difficult to prove. "I doubt very seriously that a slogan by itself could rise to the level of a protected trademark," he says.

And until a precedent is set by a court ruling -- as ultimately happened with sampling cases involving De La Soul and Biz Markie-- copyrighting slang will likely remain a gray area where the law is concerned. If E-40, for instance, found out someone else was using his slang even after he had it copyrighted, "he would have to find that it was worthwhile going after such a person and making an issue of it and going to court and getting a decision -- all of which happened on the sampling side," Ashburne explains. "The same process would have to take place before people would know the limits of how you could use a phrase that was trademarked by a rapper in connection with his goods and services. That's what would have to happen."

Let's hope it does, before we see the Nanny cooing over some low-rise cargo capri khakis: "That's hyphy! Ya smell me?"

An Abridged Guide to Yay Area Slang
From Bammer to Zat, feel me?

Bammer (adj.): Low-grade marijuana (cf. RBL Posse, "Don't Give Me No Bammer Weed," 1993)

B-Town (n.): Berkeley, California

Baller (n.): A player, pimp, or hustler; a game-related rap artist; a dope-dealer; a ghetto celebrity (cf. D-Shot et al, Boss Ballin', 1994)

Ballin' (v.): The act of being a baller; one who engages in street-level activities of questionable legality (cf. E-40, "Ballin' Out of Control," 1993; the Whoridas, "Shot Callin' and Big Ballin'," 1995)

Barney (n.): Purple-colored marijuana considered to be of extremely high potency (cf. Mistah Fab); see also Yurple

Batch (n.): See Biiiiiiiiiitch (cf. E-40, B-Legit, the Click)

Bluebird (n.): An annoying, bothersome person or thing (cf. RBL Posse, "Bluebird," 1994)

Blockbustah (n.): See Buster (cf. E-40)

Biiiiiiiiiitch (n.): An epithet of disdain. Can be used to describe either a male or a female (cf. Too $hort, "Dope Fiend Beat," 1987)

Bitch-ass (n.): A man who displays characteristics associated with women ("You'se a Bitch-ass nigga")

Bomb (n.): Potent marijuana; anything considered excellent ("Bomb-ass beats"); an SF hip-hop label founded by David Paul

Bootsie (adj.): Fake, wack, or otherwise held in low esteem (cf. E-40, "Bootsie," 1995)

Boss baller (n.): A high-level ghetto celebrity of enviable economic status (cf. D-Shot et al, Boss Ballin', 1994)

Bootch (n.): See Biiiiiiiiiitch (cf. E-40, B-Legit, the Click)

Breezy (n.): A slightly less offensive variant of Biiiiiiiiiitch. Generally refers only to women

Broccoli (n.): Marijuana (cf. E-40)

Bubbling (v.): Hustling with a measure of economic success; a Baller on the Come-Up; see also Grinding

'Burban (n.): A Chevrolet Suburban automobile

Burg, the (n.): Pittsburg, California

Buster (n.): A person who comes off as less than credible

Burner (n.): A handgun

Cabbage (n.): Money (cf. E-40) Cali (n.): California

Captain (n.): A man who supports women both financially and emotionally (cf. E-40, "Captain Save-a-Ho," 1993)

Candy paint (n.): Shiny finish applied to automobiles (cf. Ill-Mannered Posse, "Shinin' Star," 1995)

Cheddar: (n.) see Cabbage

Chip (n.): A cloned microchip used in unlicensed cellular telephones (cf. E-40, "Chip in da Phone," 1995)

Chopper (n.): Automatic weapon such as an AR-15 or AK-47 (cf. E-40)

Choppin' it up: To process drugs, usually cocaine; to converse with one's peers

Come-up (v.): To advance one's economic status, sometimes through illegal activities such as selling drugs or committing armed robberies

Crackin' (v.): A happening event; a respectful greeting ("What's crackin', playboy?")

Crackalackin' or Crackulatin' (v.): See Crackin' (cf. E-40) Crib (n.): One's place of residence.

Cuddie (n.): A close friend or relative, derived from "Cousin"; anyone from Vallejo's Crestside neighborhood (cf. Mac Mall, Illegal Business?, 1993)

Dank (n.): Potent strain of Indo that causes sluggishness, first originated in East Oakland (cf. MC Pooh, "Fuckin' wit Dank," 1989)

D-boy (n.): A drug dealer specializing in crack (cf. Young D-Boyz, "Selling Cocaine as Usual," c. 1994 or E-40, I Got Love for D-Boys)

Dirt (n.): Activities of an illegal nature

Dogtown (n.): Neighborhood in West Oakland known for high crime rates

Doja (n.): Vallejo-originated equivalent of Dank (cf. Mac Mall, "Sic wit This," 1993)

Eastside O (n.): East Oakland (cf. Dru Down, "Pimp of the Year," 1994)

Elroy (n.): Police officer (cf. E-40, "Show and Prove," 2003)

EPA City (n.): East Palo Alto

Fa sheezy (excl.): Affirmation meaning "For sure" (cf. 3 X Krazy, E-40)

Fa shiggedy (excl.): See Fa sheezy

Fa shizzle (excl.): See Fa sheezy

Fa sho (excl.): See Fa sheezy

Fa shoo (excl.): See Fa sheezy (cf. Richie Rich, "You'se my boo Fa Shoo")

Fed (n.): Derived from "Federal"; a government agent; a high-powered Boss Baller (cf. E-40, "Fed-X," 1995)

Fetti (n.): Money (cf. Young Lay, "All About My Fetti," 1995)

Flambostulatin' (v.): Acting overly ostentatious (cf. E-40)

Five (n.): One-fourth of the amount needed to purchase a twenty-sack of marijuana (cf. the Luniz, "I Got Five on It," 1995)

Folkers (n.): Friends or close associates

For reals? (excl.): Expression used to express disbelief at what someone has just said

Frisco (n.): San Francisco

G (n.): Gangster

Game related: To affiliate with criminal elements (cf. the Click, Game Related, 1995)

Good: Optimistic outlook, as in "It's All Good"

Gravy: See Good (cf. the Coup, And they tell you it's all gravy).

Gravity: See Good (cf. E-40)

Grinding (v.): The act of selling drugs on street corners; making money through illegal activities (cf. the Click, "Hustler on the Grind," 1995)

Grip (n.): Money (cf. Digital Underground, "Packet Man," 1989)

Gurpin' (n.): A state of intoxication, whether from liquor, marijuana, or hallucinogens; irrational or paranoid behavior (cf. Hieroglyphics)

Haystack (n.) Hayward, California

Hella (adj.): Derived from "Hell of a lot" Henny (n.): Hennessy cognac

Ho (n.): A whore or prostitute; someone who can be pimped; a rap artist signed to a major label

Hoo-ride (v.): Driving without regard for traffic laws; to be unconcerned with the effect of one's actions upon others

Hot ones (n.): Shots fired (cf. the Click, "Hot Ones Echo Through the Ghetto," 1995)

HP (n.): Neighborhood in San Francisco known for high murder rates and producing rap artists (cf. Kevin Epps' film Straight Outta Hunters Point, 2000)

Ice cream (n.): Cocaine (cf. the Luniz, "Ice Cream Man," 1994)

Indo (n.): Marijuana of the Indica variety (cf. Dru Down, For myself, I keep Indo!)

Janky (adj.): Flawed, fake, or otherwise lacking in quality

Keyed (v.): Intoxicated on something other than alcohol

Kill-a-hoes (n.): Rap collective from SF's Hunters Point-Bayview area popular in mid- to late-'90s

Killing Fields: Area of East Oakland comparable to Cambodia under Pol Pot because of its high murder rate (cf. Black Dynasty, "Deep East Oakland," 1995)

L.I.P.s (n.): Rhymes said by a rapper ("Lemme go into the studio and spit these L.I.P.s")

LV (n.): Lakeview neighborhood in San Francisco

Ma nigga (n.): Affectionate term only used for one's closest associates

Mac (n.): Title given to succession of Vallejo rappers, such as the Mac, Mac Dre, and Mac Mall

Mail (n.): Money

Mailman (n.): Someone who makes a lot of money (cf. E-40, The Mailman, 1993)

Mobbin' (v.): To organize as a collective entity; to drive at a high speed

Mobb music: Funk-based sound invented by producers Studio Ton and Mike Mosely, widely copied throughout the Bay Area

Marinatin' (v.): Relaxing at leisure; kicking back (cf. E-40)

Moe (pl.): SF's Fillmore neighborhood

Nade (n.): Marijuana laced with bug spray (cf. 11/5, Kill-a-Hoe niggas smoke Nade, we don't even care that it's sprayed)

Nathan (n.): Nothing; null and void (cf. E-40)

Nathaniel (n.): See Nathan (As in, "What's crackalackin'?" "Nathaniel")

O, the (pl.): Oakland, California

Off the chain (exc.): Variant of "off the hook"; an exciting event

Off da heezy: See Off the chain

Off the hinges: See Off the chain

Off the Richter: See Off the chain

Paper (n.): Money

Paper route (n.): Any method of making money, either legal or illegal

Penelopes (n.): Police (cf. E-40, "Fed-X," 1995)

Pervin' (v.): Drunk or intoxicated

PH (n.) : Player hater; one who envies another's success (cf. Mac Mall, "Suckers PH," 1995)

PG (n.): The pimp game

Pimpin' (v.): To handle oneself in a dominant, controlling manner; affectionate greeting ("What's up, Pimpin'?")

Pimp skillet: Term of respectful endearment (cf. E-40)

Po-pos (n.): Police (cf. E-40, "Outsmart the Po-pos," 1991)

San Jo (pl.): San Jose, California

Saucy (adj.): Impressive or desirable ("That car is Hella Saucy")

Scratch (n.): Money

Scrilla (n.): See Scratch

SFC (pl.): San Francisco City (cf. RBL Posse)

Sideshow (n.): Illegal exhibition of cars held on public streets (cf. 415, "Sideshow," 1989)

Sidewayz (v.): To drive in a reckless manner at high speeds (cf. E-40, "Sidewayz," 1995) Smebbin' (v.): see Smobbin' (cf. E-40)

Smobbin' (v.): See Mobbin' (cf. IMP, Smobbin' the backstreets, no registration, no pink slip, 1995)

Sohab (n.): Individual from Hillside neighborhood of Vallejo (cf. E-40, the Click)

Sucka Free (n. pl.): San Francisco

Telly (n.): Hotel room (cf. Mac Mall, "Let's Get a Telly," 1995)

Twomp (n.): Twenty-dollar bag of marijuana

Twomps, the (n. pl.): Neighborhood in Oaklandbetween 20th and 29th avenues

V, the (n.): Vallejo, California

Vega (n.): Garcia y Vega cigar used in rolling blunts (cf. 11/5, Everybody light your Vega)

Wesssiiide (pl.): The West Coast

Yay Area (pl.): The Bay Area (cf. E-40, I represent the Yay Area)

Yayo (n.): Cocaine

Yola (n.): See Yayo (cf. 11/5, A-1 Yola, 1995)

Zat (n.): A gun, derived from "gat" (cf. Conscious Daughters, "Fonky Expedition," 1994)

Zip (n.): An ounce of marijuana

Compiled by Eric K. Arnold, with props to the online Bay Area Hip-Hop Dictionary.

eastbayexpress.com | originally published: June 30, 2004

Although as gygax says I don't "claim Berkeley", perhaps I shouldn't post on SF threads any more.

(+ it's 2 blocks from where i sit right now)

(+ i also recommend THE MAIN, across the street)

xp hahaha!

cuz they're cheap! yeah, they are (especially compared to fuckin' NYC delis!!)

anyway, you don't need a menu. all you need is: SMOKED MEAT SANDWICH & BLACK CHERRY COLA

I second The Main. as above, as a practical matter, but Schwartz's has more of the "flavor" in terms of the experience.

It also has longer lines. I went to Schwartz's once (it was amazing), but I ate at the Main twice (or maybe three times actually.) Ben's didn't rate at all although it had a nice decor.

classic: http://hd-sf.com/timelapse.html

http://hd-sf.com/gallery.html

Why do people from San Francsico think their city is on par with, say, New York City, London, and Tokyo? The place is tiny and would barely constitute a neighborhood in a borough of any actual, major city. Is it some kind-of weird West Coast thing?

i'm disappointed you don't already "know", this uncertainty is disconcerting.

challops

Why would we try to convince you? You might move here, if we did, after all.

what he said. please to not blight our enchanting back country hamlet with your presence.

wtf at "bigger is better"?

employing that logic then hey, you've got Phoenix, Jakarta, Dhaka...

...Jacksonville, Florida...

because surenos get killed on your stoop and even nob hill and the marina yuppie havens get shootouts. shit, the sunset even

SF is definitely not up to stanton standards this is true. Prob best to just stay away, burts.

I hear that Columbus, OH is the largest city in the USA so you might try going there b-dogg.

The Worst-Run Big City in the U.S.

y'know, I hate cops too but this is stupid

my favorite part was how the cops made all the Union Square stores lock up once the protesters were moving in that direction.

dude was out on a warrant, has residue on him, was seen firing the gun (gun was recovered), I mean seriously... this is not like a random beating at a traffic stop or shooting a naked unarmed guy

Rigorous inquiries should be made any time the cops draw, not to mention leathally use, their guns, but to be a priori prejudiced against the cops is little better than being a priori prejudiced for them; let the legal system work it out. If you disagree with that finding/verdict, that's a better time to protest.

cops + forensics now indicating dude shot himself wtf

this is some weird shit

yeah... something's fishy there... gun was never recovered. SFPD claiming there is vast difference between .380 caliber and a .38 caliber (is there? I am ignorant).

SFPD uses .40 caliber

More than any other thing, all I keep thinking is this fool died for not paying $2.00. Great way to go on the lam, dude.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n03/rebecca-solnit/diary

y'all should come out and see ilxor zero of the signified play on a bill with henry kaiser at the luggage store on oct. 17!

http://y2kloopfest.com/experimental-side-of-the-y2k13-live-looping-festival/

and if you feel like trekking out to santa cruz, he'll be playing the loopfest headliners concert there on the 19th.

http://y2kloopfest.com/

reposted it here San Francisco and what to do in it since that thread is the more commonly used one