TS: Safari vs. Mozilla

Don't forget to add Safari Enhancer the main thing this does is add a debug menu the only useful feature of which is the 'Open Page With' item, which allows you to select one of the other browsers on your system to view the current page with.

That and I put all my bookmarks in Galeon and now can't be bothered to change. Safari seems to be OK though less SMUG than Mozilla.

the only sites that I've come across that don't work are annoying one's that check the browser and say "Fuck off and use IE you hippy". twats. mp3sfinder has some weird excuse for this

andy

Maybe I'm just imagining that. Anyway, Safari is my browser of choice until Firebird is actually usable on OS X. That was my favourite browser on Windows/Linux.

What stuff can I do?

/*
 * For more examples see http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html
 */

just save it as something.css and set it as the style sheet in Safari->Prefs->Advanced.
Not as simple as the mozilla method but it works (incidentally this method also works with mozilla).

There is only one Microsoft product I have any respect for, and that is Visio. End of line.

I tried to do it manually via the terminal using:

"defaults write com.apple.Safari WebKitInitialTimedLayoutDelay 0.25"

&

"defaults write com.apple.Safari WebKitInitialTimedLayoutDelay -float 0.25"

and got this:

"-bash: defaults: command not found"

then I tried to do it via "safari speed" and got this:

"sh: line 1: defaults: command not found (127)"

any ideas?

: /

ie, if it's in /opt/safari/bin, type /opt/safari/bin/defaults write ...

Opera on Mac is/was so incredibly bad I switched to Firefox, this carried over to Windows. I'd been using it since v4.0... I won't be going back. Downloaded the latest (now free) version... couldn't be bothered tweaking that UI into something I could even look at for the 15th time.

otm!! :(

yup. kept crashing. testing flock now

I've been using Flock and and off for the past few days (though sticking with Firefox as my main browser) and it looks excellent. Aside from what I consider my "essential" Firefox extensions not being ported over to it yet, it seems very tailored to the way I use the web at home. Perhaps when it's actually released I'll switch over to it full-time, but not quite yet.

-- Lord Custos Omicron (l.custo...), October 10th, 2003 5:27 PM. (Lord Custos Omicron)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

i've been getting this too! if i restart firefox it goes away.

http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/keyboard

how come it only comes up some times and not others?

(I like this shouting. Its good stress relief)

ive had it with the 'safari marking all bookmarked feeds as unread' bug, im switching to google reader + firefox now.

have you tried webkit

yes but it wasnt very stable when i last used it a year ago. will try again thx

i thought you two were the same dude

they are

i cant decide between safari (3!) and firefox. i have no willpower so pls decide for me :(

Firefox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Safari just for the 'find as you type' feature so derided above.

b-b-but safari is so grey and matte mmmm

uno + grapple (uno) theme + firefox = grey & matte firefox!!

I turned off font smoothing for font sizes below 144 (via Tinker Tool) and the text looks very sharp and LCD-y.

Safari 3 is snappier

safari no contesto.

http://www.blackbirdhome.com/img/header_home.jpg

http://www.blackbirdhome.com

Awaiting Mozilla Goldenfinch.

# Black Search
# Black News Ticker
# Black Bookmarks
# Blackbird TV
# Email Manager

# Black history

Wait, whoah. All those untold hours they spent, toiling away at slapping a black firefox theme on it and bookmarking some shit, and they don't even have the decency to include BLACK email? That's so offensive.

This is prob really obvious, but how do I make Mozilla Firefox my default browser again? Downloaded Chrome but decided to stick with Moz and I can't figure out how to change it to default.

You have to go through Safari's preferences. Safari's Preferences > Default web browser.

It's Google Chrome I'm having the problem with, not Safari. And guess what: you can't change it back! Fuck you, Google. Just going to uninstall it.

um can't you just go to firefox prefs > advanced > general > always check if ffox is default browser > check now

??

Sorted! Thanks cozwn.

You can do that through Safari too, as shaane suggested.

i've been using Firefox since 2004, but man is it slow compared to Safari on OS X. has anyone made the switch from Firefox to Safari?

esp. interested in hearing from people running OS X

Safari is definitely faster, but I'm too locked into Firefox with all my add-ons. But you might want to give the Chrome beta a try instead, since it's based on the same renderer as Safari but has some nicer things like the tab tearing / separated processes.

yeah, i stopped using anything that doesn't come with a vanilla install of Firefox, so that wouldn't be a problem. typing this from Safari now, which I use relatively infrequently, and so far it's much better. i'm going to look into Chrome too. haven't tried it out on the Mac yet.

by "better" i mean "faster"

I use chrome, I find it to be the fastest of the triumvirate

i'm trying out Chrome now. i think i'm going to switch to either this or Safari

I use Firefox for our web CMS, but Safari or Chrome for everything else.

trying to load a really long ILX thread with Firefox is such a pain. i really should switch to Safari or Chrome permanently

Just installed chrome and spent some time browsing, can't fault it so far.
all my bookmarks are there, passwords are there (not sure if good or bad thing really) and it's noticeably faster than firefox, especially on flickr, youtube and other demanding sites.

yeah, i think there's no question that Chrome & Safari are faster than Firefox. man, i've been on Firefox for six years, but i feel like it might be time to give it up

I remember when firefox was all the rage and new and hip and stuff.
Like everything really, has to be upgraded/replaced sometime.

I mean we all used internet explorer once!

seriously, you are correct

Especially on Mac, FF is a dog compared to its Windows version. But the add-on lock-in has gotten pretty steep for me, Adblock Plus, Stylish/Greasemonkey, Tree Style Tab, about 20 custom search engines installed, an add-on where I can select to right click menu to search any text on any of those engines, mouse gestures, Read It Later, Webmail Notifier... it's going to be a long time if ever that Chrome will have all these features. Didn't feel this kind of pull when I was moving back and forth between Netscape/IE/FF... but I'm still drawn to the speed advantage of Chrome.

I am used to the Apple+(Number Key) combo to get to my favorites in Safari, otherwise I would switch to Chrome

Why has Firefox gotten so slow recently? Is it all down to heavy add-on's?

Actually I have no speed issues with FF once it's actually running (except that it is a bit of a memory hog - especially if one doesn't restart it once in a while).

Launching FF is where it falls down speed wise.

i'm on OS X, and i've been using Firefox forever, and i'm used to it and it's been good. but, man, does it seem increasingly sllllloowwww. i don't use any add-ons, so i'm not too worried about losing too much functionality if i switch to another browser. i really should read up on the pros & cons of Safari vs. Chrome.

back when I was on Windows XP, Firefox was just so much better than IE that it was no contest. sad to see it fall behind like this, but oh well

I really wish Opera wouldn't shoot themselves in the face with their baffling out-of-the-box UI experience on PC's.

I gave up on it (to FF) after a good few years/versions but would switch back instantly if I didn't have to do so much horrible configging to make it act normal & plain every time there's a major version upgrade. Right now it's much the quickest of the lot too.

Google & Apple can suck my balls. Both software makers that promises far more than is actually delivered in user satisfaction.

what is the preferred way of blocking ads on safari? I've tried a few of the top google hits for this and none seem to work as well as adblock plus on FF, and I gather they are likely to break eventually because of the way they work with input managers or something.

and i don't suppose there is an equivalent of skipscreen?

I've asked this before, but is there any way of adding to Safari or Chrome Firefox's 3-fingers swipe to get to the top/bottom of a page?

what is the preferred way of blocking ads on safari? I've tried a few of the top google hits for this and none seem to work as well as adblock plus on FF, and I gather they are likely to break eventually because of the way they work with input managers or something.

GLIMMER BLOCKER. seriously, it is the best thing ever. http://glimmerblocker.org/

The problem with other ad-blockers for Safari is that they are implemented as awful hacks: as an InputManager and/or ApplicationEnhancer. This compromises the stability of Safari and very often create problems when Apple releases a new version of Safari. Snow Leopard doesn't support the InputManager-based blockers when Safari runs in 64-bit mode.

GlimmerBlocker is implemented as an http proxy, so the stability of Safari isn't compromised because it doesn't use any hacks. It is even compatible with all other browsers and other native Mac OS X applications which uses http, e.g. NetNewsWire.

A proxy that all the traffic goes through had better be damn fast.

it's a local proxy, right? hard to see how that could ever be the bottleneck.

Depends a lot. If he's written it in Ruby or something it'll choke to fuck.

Just started using Mozilla Thunderbird as my email client. So far, so good, but I am easy to please in this regard. I only want something basic and obvious that doesn't get in my way.

The problem with other ad-blockers for Safari is that they are implemented as awful hacks: as an InputManager and/or ApplicationEnhancer.

Safari AdBlock is an extension (ergo not a hack) and seems to work just fine..

(...sadly I don't think there's a direct equivalent to skipscreen though.)

Depends a lot. If he's written it in Ruby or something it'll choke to fuck.

if only there were some way to find out..

Depends a lot. If he's written it in Ruby or something it'll choke to fuck.

― stet, Monday, August 22, 2011 7:28 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

don't see why it should. we're talking at most a few requests per second here.

ok more, but still, this even if he's written it in basic i can't see why it would be the bottleneck

p.s. don't use safari

It wouldn't be the bottleneck, but it sure could be *a* bottleneck. I've suffered with some poorly responding proxies before, and it's amazing the difference a lag of even sub-second times per request makes.

Is written in java, by the looks of it, with potential calls to your own javascript on every req.

What's with Firefox upgrading to v6.0 a few weeks after v5.0 was released? Why can't they stick to the time-honoured system of minor upgrades being denoted by a .1 or .01 increment?

they got envious of Chrome, then they freaked out and decided to race the numbers to 11. Then Google said they'd only support the most recent 2 versions of any browser, so now Mozilla have decided they're not even going to show numbers any more.

and their going to force updates on users, despite having this whole ecosystem of extensions etc that break on every release.

damnit.

it it is kind of crazy how poorly the upgrade/extension thing works.

I've asked this before, but is there any way of adding to Safari or Chrome Firefox's 3-fingers swipe to get to the top/bottom of a page?

bettertouchtool - http://blog.boastr.net/

though i would highly recommend mapping three finger swipe down for cmd+w

speaking of how horrible safari extensions are, i checked out an extension being hyped by the technorati (footnotify) and was aghast when i looked at the code and it essentially injects a huge javascript method into EVERY SINGLE LINK ON EVERY SINGLE PAGE. wtf was the author thinking?

Footnotes on major sites like Wikipedia, Daring Fireball and Brooks Review are enhanced with this extension.

RAGE

Gruber linked to it missing the irony that he's responsible for his own shitty footnotes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/becky-hayes/mozilla-hires-anti-gay-ceo_b_5044262.html

joek for programming language geeks going around twitter:

@jfxschxffx 2h
Doesn't surprise me at all that the inventor of Javascript got equality all wrong again.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/03/technology/mozilla-ceo/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

looks like they'll be browsing for another ceo

he lasted 10 days over uproar via a $1000 dontation to Prop 8. 10 days.

it's sad, he was a bigot

This incident had me searching for gay mozilla firefox beefcake cosplay (a la this chick:

http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/39/41/2ed8706c43bef0a2121a314420f3916d.jpg

but for dudes).

No luck.