Come Anticipate Kill Bill Vol. 2 With Me (now contains spoilers)

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It's here is you need it.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Oddly I can wait. I am looking forawrd to it, but a four month wait is more than doable.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Factoid: you know on phones 'f' can sound like 's' (hence Chris Morris 'Don't teach your grandmother to -- blank -- eggs' game. Well, on computer keyboards similar things can happen. So:

It's here iF you need it.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Before I saw the film I was under the impression it would end in such a way that it wouldn't feel like it's own film, like it felt incomplete without Vol. 2, however I was proven wrong, oh yay and verily.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

The other thing: I posted this really a 'Volume 2' to the other thread which was taking ages to load. So I'm gonna try to link it.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Mmm more sweet killing

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Would you swear
that you'll always be mine?
Or would you lie?
would you run and hide?
Am I in too deep?
Have I lost my mind?
I don't care...
You're here tonight.

― Nicolars (Nicole), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

If we're gonna try to continue that discussion, I'll say this (here): this is a vengeance film that ackowledges the cycle of violence that revenge perpetuates, whereas this supposed "Bush's America" revenge zeitgeist is built on a REFUSAL to acknowledge the consequences of vengeful actions.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

WHY DON'T YOU GO OUTSIDE AND TRY TO DO SOMETHING LESS BORING INSTEAD?

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm at work.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm guessing the Buck scenes in the next one will be more spaghetti western style, but what the hell kinda style(s) will the Elle Driver chapter go through? Will it be all pirate stylee or something?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

(my reference was to a UK children's programme of the 80s and not a diss to anyone, btw)

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

(Yeah, but I'm still at work.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 October 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

V Postmodern TV it was too.

Now. I asked elsewhere, but it's for work and important: I ened films that have 'ooh, am I human?' type dilemmas (I don't know why I needed to channel David Brent there).

Ball rolling: Bladerunner, 2001, Planet of the Apes...

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Momus, your Lautreamont distinction ("ambivalent" feelings toward the object of his love) is full of hot air. Or do you call De Sade unconscionable, etc.? Certainly we can agree that De Sade has no "ambivalent" feelings toward the objects of his lust: he wants them all annihilated completely in a permanently recurrent frenzy of reductio-ad-ego (vide Blanchot's intro, et al). But unless I misread your likes & dislikes, you'd take De Sade's side in a discussion of whether people ought to read/celebrate his trangressive little missives or no. I think that when your engagement with postmodern tropes collides with your cultural biases, you flinch.

I think it is imperative that you go see this movie with as open a mind as you can, and soon, too.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

oh lord here we go...

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

If we're gonna try to continue that discussion, I'll say this (here): this is a vengeance film that ackowledges the cycle of violence that revenge perpetuates, whereas this supposed "Bush's America" revenge zeitgeist is built on a REFUSAL to acknowledge the consequences of vengeful actions.

I really agree with you, and in fact vol. 2 is supposedly even more of a meditation on revenge. BUT i think the problem comes from the fact that we are whooping it up and having fun watching all this carnage and then supposed to think "wow revenge is bad." Doesn't compute.

(I should stress i really liked the movie but i want to acknowledge that i have mixed feelings about the morality of it.)

― ryan (ryan), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

but what the hell kinda style(s) will the Elle Driver chapter go through

it seems to hint towards De Palma-esque suspense films in vol. 1 but i could be wrong.

― ryan (ryan), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

My enjoyment of this film, quite honestly, is based pretty much entirely on it's effective use of images & sounds, just like any other film ever, be it a violent revenge fantasy, a twee romance, a ridiculous inane comedy, a nature documentary, a science-fiction musical, whatever.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

(However I admitted favor medium to message in almost 99% of every aesthetic endeavor.)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

De Palma-esque

Wha? Can there be such a thing? Like, 'Bootleg Beatles-esque'?

― Alfred Hitchcock (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

science fiction musical!?!

apart from the pacing, i agree that the film is extremely impressive.

x-post: i only said that because of the split screen really! did hitch ever use split screen?

― ryan (ryan), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

(I made that one up, although...*imagines sunglass-bespectacled black-trench-coated Keanu Reeves & Laurence Fishburne laying into "Don't Cry for Me Argentina" while Carrie-Anne Moss does backflips across the screen*.)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Easterbrook apologizes for part of that column linked on the other thread: http://www.tnr.com/easterbrook.mhtml

Looking back I did a terrible job through poor wording. It was terrible that I implied that the Jewishness of studio executives has anything whatsoever to do with awful movies like Kill Bill. Nothing about Eisner or Weinstein causes any movie to be bad or awful; they're just supervisors. For all I know neither of them even focused on the adoration-of-violence aspect until the reviews came out. My attempt to connect my perfectly justified horror at an ugly and corrupting movie to the religious faith and ethnic identity of certain executives was hopelessly clumsy.

apparently this caused a big furor!

― ryan (ryan), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

dude, all's i gotta say is that part 2 better have one thing:

T R A I N I N G M O N T A G E
http://www.hellninjacommando.net/movie/pics/drunkenmaster2.jpg

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

de palma is not just a bootleg hitchcock! whine!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 17 October 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

a science-fiction musical
http://theforbidden-zone.com/video/simpsons_pota.mpg

― oops (Oops), Friday, 17 October 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

d'oh!

http://theforbidden-zone.com/images/drzaius.jpg

― oops (Oops), Friday, 17 October 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Kingfish: yes!! (and I think it will, too)

― Dan I., Saturday, 18 October 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...

Patrick Stewart speaks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I couldn't figure out why I had this burning urge to decapitate women after seeing Vol. 1.

Now I know.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 5 March 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

stop violence against borgs

― …, Saturday, 6 March 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, nobody tell Patrick about that whole "Lady Deathstrike" thing, OK?

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 6 March 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

it's on the way...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

...as is the DVD release of Vol 1, which should be worth a look.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

it's weird, this movie is coming out any day now and is ANYONE hyped about it? i mean, yeah i'm kinda psyched, but i really don't feel invested in the story or anything, or that there's any sort of palpable excitement about its release. i still think they really fucked this up.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I can hardly remember the story. I just hope it has more scenes like the one with the fighting and the one with the plane.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

totally!

and let's hope the revelation that the bride's child is still alive doesn't mean there's a smart-alecky precocious kid. or that she doesn't end up killing bill to save him/her.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

What do you have against kids in movies, anyway?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you a failed child star?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

thats probably because the first one was horribly overrated and boring as shit. Like the "Iron Man" riff spread over five CDs.

Finally I'm vindicated.

― roger adultery, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i am the spiritual heir of wc fields!

(xp)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

you also totally guessed the ending....correctly

― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

oy!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.apple.com/trailers/

Chair-fu! Training Montage! Swords, Swords, Swords!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

that's funny because i mistyped it, i meant to say "i hope she doesn't end up NOT killing bill for the kid's sake" or something like that

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

The first one was great, I think, but I forgot everything about it except for Lucy Liu's character within a week. I'll buy the DVD for the anime sequence.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 8 April 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Like the "Iron Man" riff spread over five CDs

But that sounds fantastic!

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 April 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I th9ink it is going to be great so there.

― Dan I., Thursday, 8 April 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

OWN3D

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 April 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"Like the "Iron Man" riff spread over five CDs"

Hahaha I wonder how many CDs Roger owns which are basically small variations on the "Iron Man" riff repeated over and over.

I bet it's a hell of a lot more than five.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Two more days!!

I watched volume one last night with my late fifties conservative parents and they LOVED it! My mother is pretty psyched about volume 2. she also said it's the first movie "like that" that has ever held her attention. interesting.

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i have not yet seen the first. is it essential before seeing part two?

― kephm, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it's basically the most simple plot ever so it's not like you'll be confused, but it'll probably have a lot more impact if you see pt. 1 (besides, it's such a fucking fun movie!).

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

where's momus?!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

TWO DAYS! I'm excited.

Professor X, er Jean-Luc Picard, er YOU BALDY, please tell me you didn't think there was a MESSAGE in Kill Bill!?!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Btw, did anyone else feel kinda bad for buying the single-disc dvd knowing full well there will be some kind of tricked-out box set in a couple months?

(I got over it when I got mine for $16 and watched the 5,6,7,8's performances)

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised at how many ads I've seen and at the amount of press. It's been one of the top entertainment stories on google news for like three days now.

― c. (synkro), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I am looking forward to it, but it's not exactly a big dealio.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

ebert and roeper basically orgasmed over it.

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Ew.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Was Roeper wearing a trucker hat?

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Gear's couch vs Kill Bill Vol 2 FITE

X-post! oh snap!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't wait for the "Gear's sex couch" poseable action figures.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Stupid trivia: I was watching the dvd last night with my girlfriend, and we paused it when she got her plane ticket. The name on the ticket is 'Beatrix Kiddo' (presumably because Bill calls her Kiddo right before shooting her, etc.).

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

What are the extras like?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Not much at all...a twenty minute making-of thing with a couple of cool bits, and the 5,6,7,8's doing a song and a half more than they do in the movie. Oh, and trailers for QT's old movies, wheee.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, that's more than I thought there were! I thought there was literally nothing on the DVD, so QT could save it all for the 2DVD package.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

the bastard!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I'm sure I'll end up buying that overpriced set in however many months and giving this one away.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I've already got tickets to see #2 on Saturday, in a big dome theater... can't wait!

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I am actually seeing a sneak preview tonight. And strangely excited.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I only saw part 1 about a week ago (having been sraced of the last thread, I had also missed it all) and thought it was all a bit hollow for me. It's like a Chinese meal - its fine until you've finished, and then you wonder what the fuss was about.

A such, part 2 really doesn't interest me. I'll get the DVD - I really don't care too much. And why the hype on the 1st one, I simply don't know.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Kill Bill = Chinese food is a pretty apt analogy, although for my part it's more like - tasty and filling immediately, but leaves you hungry within an hour.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Exactly. You want some kind of substance, but all you get is monosodium glutamate.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

food/film rockist!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

So, yeah, it was good. I liked it.

― Carey (Carey), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Gordon Liu's in KB 2!! Gordon Liu's in KB 2!!!!!

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

That's weird, he's in both KB1 and KB2 playing different parts.

― Dan I., Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:43 (twenty-one years ago)

OH MY GOD I JUST SAW A NEW COMMERCIAL FOR THIS AND OH GOD I MUST GO SEE IT NOW

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 April 2004 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

What put it over the top, Dan?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah something about those commercials set off that "must kill" music that is inside uma's head except for me it is "must see kill bill!"

― ryan (ryan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Tarantino has the most annoying personality (and voice) in Hollywood, yikes.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 15 April 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

When did I deduce that Quentin Tarantino stole my innermost thoughts in order to make this movie awesome?

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1) When the church's organ player (played by Samuel L Jackson!!) runs down the list of all the bands he played with ("I was a Bar-Kay")
2) When we see an establishing shot of Budd's trailer with Bill's car parked outside, and it is revealed that Bill drives a FUCKING DE TOMASO MANGUSTA
3) A heartwarming mother-daughter reunion scene where they watch "SHOGUN ASSASSIN"
4) Darryl Hannah in a fight scene that makes her Blade Runner turn look oafish in comparison
5) A kung-fu training scene replete with the classic "carry heavy buckets of water up the steep-ass stairs" sequence

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 17 April 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

there wasnt enough training actually. there was no payoff. and WHY does he teach her the five point palm exploding heart technique? seems like a strange thing to not explain.

it was pretty good. altogether i think the combined kill bill will be best of all.

― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 17 April 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i enjoyed it a bunch. but, yeah, i couldn't shake the weird feeling that i waited 4 months to see the second half of a movie. it FELT like a second half whereas the first part felt like an entire movie. Does that make any sense? but, anyway, very enjoyable. Fun for the whole family. David Denby is a weirdo a la Medved when it comes to Kill Bill. I don't get his funhate. He should hang out with elvis mitchell more often.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 17 April 2004 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Kill Bill also gave me weird Oliver Stone/David Lynch deja vu for some reason. But in a good way. in an americana-gone-bad/sweaty desert/fucked film stock kinda way. that naturalbornwildatheartlosthighwayu-turnpulpfiction feeling. but i like that feeling. i haven't felt it in a while. Q.T. is too goofy to fill me with dread like lynch and too 70's cop show to give me flashbacks like Oliver, but that's okay.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 17 April 2004 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I knew Nate was going to mention Bill's car! : )

― Dan I., Saturday, 17 April 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

It was just OKAY.

talk talk talk that's all it was, mostly.

*makes yappy motion with hand*

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 17 April 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought it was a thousand times better than Vol 1. And I proclaim the beautiful Darryl Hannah as the hottypants of the year.

Even Bebe didn't bug me. I thought she was well cast (despite that pesky 'three name' thing so popular with the kiddie stars these days)

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 17 April 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I am also glad QT revised the script so Elle's bitchin' Trans Am was not destroyed gratuitously.

Speaking of Elle, there was one moment in the movie that I just couldn't watch, which involved the Bride stepping on [SPOILER PREEMPTIVELY DELETED but those who've seen the movie probably know what I'm talking about]. Was it as nasty as I was worried it'd be? Everyone else in the theater went "AUGAUGAGUHADGUHGERRUGUH".

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 17 April 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I do think Elle's death scene in the original script was a lot better, but that's the only thing from the early draft that improves on the final version; I am glad there is no Yuri Yubari chucking grenades and firing off machine guns and acting like Sailor Moon Schwartezenegger; it'd throw everything off.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 17 April 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Elle's "death scene?" didn't you watch the end credits?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 17 April 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Shit I knew I shouldn't have left so quick (gf had to go to work). What happened??!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 17 April 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

well, at the end, there are two closing credit sequences. The second one features Uma driving in the car, same as that opening scene when she's on her way to kill Bill. The screen lists all the 'bad' folks, crossing out each name as they're listed. When it comes to Daryll Hannah's name, instead of it getting crossed out like the other four, a big red question mark appears over the name. Nice touch!

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 17 April 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I do think Elle's death scene in the original script was a lot better

I was thinking the same thing. I thought the seen as it was made was awesome, but I was envisioning it outside and almost like an exact hybrid of the climaxes of The Good The Bad and The Ugly and Shogun Assassin (lots more dueling suspense, as well as the "singing" artery).

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 17 April 2004 06:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Was it as nasty as I was
worried it'd be? Everyone else in the theater went "AUGAUGAGUHADGUHGERRUGUH".

It was gross, but kinda funny too. especially as it featured uma's weird feet again. and at the very very end after the second credit sequence there was a funny blooper that featured uma and an eyeball.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 17 April 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yep, these movies are all about toes and eyeballs. Weird.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 17 April 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

adam otm. the third act was downright borrrrrinnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

― mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 17 April 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"you've killed four other mercenaries to get to me, now just have a seat and listen to me blabber on and on and on and ON while i cut the crusts off our daughter's sandwich"

― mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 17 April 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

that goldfish story! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

― mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 17 April 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"you're a cold blooded killer. i'm a cold-blooded killer. we really like to kill. hey, remember when you killed all those people? that was awesome, right? well, it's because you're a cold-blooded killerzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"

― mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 17 April 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

and: TRUTH SERUM?!

― mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 17 April 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i will probably see this again.

― mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 17 April 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

roger, I meant Elle's death scene in the original script as opposed to her non-death scene in the actual movie. Which was interestingly claustrophobic and messy and chaotic but not nearly as cool as the aforementioned outdoor duel-to-the-death.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i think bill being a chatterbox is interesting and makes sense for his character and makes uma's final task more personal BUT it does go on.

all of volume two seems to be about close quarters fighting, whether figurative or literally. how do you kill someone that is close to you?

also strange to think that the only one she kills in this movie is bill. so it kind of does mark a change from vol. 1 in the sense that Budd is the moment everything starts to deviate from plan.

― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yes the nitpicker in me was also bothered by the fact that she doesn't actually kill madsen or hannah's characters

― mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

but the buried alive scene!!

― mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i also really loved the scene with madsen and his stripclub boss

― mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

also a bit dissapointed that the killbot music is only heard once. all of my complaints i think could be fixed by it being a single film tho.

― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah i saw this with my mother and father and my dad SCREAMED when the snake was revealed!

― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

This is reporting about a movie, not your family's joint therapy session.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

An asshole...right here.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 17 April 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Madsen was terrific, as always

i guess i agree the end did drag

great collegiate take on the movie by ryan - i like the 'killing those who are close to you' theme - close both figuratively and literally. I'm sold on that.

I think Quentin has a 'foot' thing.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 17 April 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

It felt like the first movie had all the action, and this one had the setup/backstory and the somewhat anticlimactic conclusion. I enjoyed it, but the first one was definitely a lot more fun, and worked much better as a standalone movie.

I also got mad at how easily she was nailed by Budd. Doesn't she know better than to just barge in the front door??

It always bugs me in movies where the bad guys have the hero at their mercy, and could just kill them, but choose not to... and so the hero gets away... But that happens a bunch of times in KB, so I guess it's par for the course.

The buried alive scene - where you just hear her breathing and the sounds - was really good.

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Sunday, 18 April 2004 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Quentin has a 'foot' thing.
According to an interview with some chiXor friend of his from Austin (maybe the Biskind book? I can't remember), he has a major foot fetish.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 18 April 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

that is obvious if you think about all of his films (particularly the salma hyek scene in from dusk til dawn).

I agree, this was OKAY, but kind of a let down. They should have put this out months ago and not waited so long, or gone ahead and put the whole film out together because I think the relative comedown in this half would be more like a welcome relief. I wish she'd killed bill earlier because the fucker would not shut up!

But all the non-bill scenes were pretty excellent. Especially Elle's end!

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I loved this so much more than the first, tho obv they need to be seen together for the second to work. But all the honor/survival themes got big emotional payoff here. The gimmicky coffin blackout, revelation of elle's treachery, surprise when she meets bill were all BIG payoffs for me.

Also the way he let the camera rest on her face, the range she could bring, this is just like one of the best roles I've seen for an actress to just... do that, the same way the male brat pack got to in some of the better 70s stuff.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I completely agree that this would have worked better as one movie. However, I DID REALLY TOTALLY LOVE THIS MOVIE. I loved the fact that the final confrontation was more psychological than physical.

I thought it was pretty obvious why the mad monk taught her the super-heart exploding technique; she's the quintessential bad-ass. She was his best student. She was repeatedly referenced as being the deadliest woman alive by the other characters, plus the reaction when she found out that Elle had killed the mad monk showed a bond with her that he didn't even share with Bill.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I also got mad at how easily she was nailed by Budd. Doesn't she know better than to just barge in the front door??

She underestimated him (took off her mask, etc.). As did the audience I think, or at least we were meant to after the strip club scene, talking about pawning off his Hanzo sword, etc.

I loved this movie, it really justified/elevated part 1 even if part 1 had most of the 'cool' stuff in it.

It wouldn't have been as much of a hook, but what if this volume had been released first?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

That was the other thing I loved about this movie; the confrontations were fueled by all of the characters underestimating each other (The Bride sets it off by underestimating Bill's fury, then Vernita and O-Ren underestimate the Bride, the Bride underestimates Bud, Bud underestimates Elle, etc etc etc).

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

We all would have been kind of disappointed in the end (beginning?!?)

Despite some weird edits and strange ommissions of things present in the script I read some 3 years ago now (and a final coda that goes on just a bit too long) I thought Vol 2 was really entertaining. Gordon Liu steals the whole movie though (even though I thought Carradine's rambling melodramatic anti-Kung Fu character was fantastic--so much better than Beattie actually cuz for Carradine it's so against type.) Best line: "White women call this the silent treatment and we let them think we don't like it."

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Vernita underestimated the Bride though, Dan. I think Vernita's just totally desperate.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps "underestimates" is the wrong word; I really meant "misses six inches to the right".

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

See that's why you got to be an expert in the GUN and the knife!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha true enough!

The actual confrontation with Bill was FUCKING INCREDIBLE and probably the best use of a child in an R-rated revenge fantasy.

Also: "Congratulations."

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah Tarantino really did a great job with the kid. She was cute without being cloying. I wonder if that's something he picked up from Rodriguez (who's practically a Truffaut-level genius with kids.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I find it very funny that I am the ILX movie adrenaline junkie (remember I'm the poster who RAVED about "xXx" and "Bad Boys 2") and I absolutely adored the introspect star-crossed lovers talkdown at the end of the movie.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(The best thing is that I think Momus would actually adore the end of this movie.)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus should be cast in the third part as a sadistic british drug-addled assassin. He's perfect for it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 April 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

did the bit where she finally finds bill remind anyone else of biggie's "somebody's gotta die"?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 19 April 2004 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Obviously the reason why the Bride knows the monk's moves is because Bill SAID 'No one gets taught this' and in these types of movies from the beginning of time til now, as soon as the antagonist says 'No one knows THAT' the protagonist suddenly picks it up, cf at the end when Bill says 'He taught you that?' and Bride replies 'Of course he did' which I thought was v. funny (as funny as a scene that had me really choked up could be). Of course this is because I spent way too long as a fucking film studies major and the world would be better off to take Dan's sensible explanation that doesn't actually involve the word "homage".

The buried alive scene is one of the most unsettling, horrifying things I have ever seen in filmed arts in my entire life and is one of the only accurate artistic depictions of feeling trapped that I have ever seen (if not the only one, since I can't think of a counter-example at the mo).

I really, really like this movie. I really like it as a whole too, but I think this one stood v. well on its own two feet and I am excited to get the inevitable director's DVD special edition that I'm sure will hit stores right around November for a priced-to-own reasonable fee of around $30. Fucking bastards.

― Allyzay, Monday, 19 April 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean she broke his heart. Literally! You have to love that. You just have to.

Yeah, I want the whole thing as one movie on dvd. I want to watch it from beginning to end to see what that's like. I mean he made it as one movie, right?

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 19 April 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah basically. That's what's funny about it, actually, we were remarking on this a while back, the studio thought that one 3.5 hour film was way too long to release and asked him to edit it into two parts. Which effectively created a 4.5 hour movie because Tarantino reedited it. WTF?

Oh and the scene with the pregnancy kit thing was priceless, absolutely priceless, I can actually see that going down, "I don't know what the fuck any of this means!" "The directions! They're right by the door, read the directions!"

― Allyzay, Monday, 19 April 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

you know, it totally makes sense now. you've fixed the movie!

― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, is Pai Mei's voice really done by Tarantino?? I've read this in two reviews now.

Funny thing today: I had to drop off some homework in one of my professor's mailbox. Well, he doesn't seem to have an interoffice mailbox for some reason despite being an actual tenured professor. However, I did find Edward Said's mailbox. And Robert Thurman. I was tempted to write "Your daughter is HOT" on a piece of paper and slip in in there.

― Allyzay, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I think originally both Pai Mei and the Bride's voices were to be dubbed. In the end though they decided on subtitling and I think they did away with the dubbing thing.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

It was good, but had nothing on the first one (and I don't like kung fu action movies normally). Tarantino should stick to going light on the dialogue from now on - when he hits the mark he nails it, but when he flubs the writing it's just brutal.

Looking back, I liked each separate chapter/incident, there's nothing that sticks out as being close to bad (the Superman speech could have gone), but it didn't work as a cohesive whole, where the first one just felt like everything was right.

Edit this into one 3-3.5 hour cut and it could be the greatest thing ever.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i embarrassed myself snorting with laughter over 'wakey wakey eggs and bacey'

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I had Kid Koala flashbacks with that one.

I mean she broke his heart. Literally!

Holy shit Scott! Why didn't that dawn on me? Now the ending is like 90 times better!

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

the "tell me i'm a good person" line was fantastic.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I want an entire O-Ren movie. She was by far the best character in the entire thing.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

did everyone else get the Hero trailer before this? That took my fucking breath away. I'm resisting the temptation to just get the DVD because I know it will be so much better in the theater.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

The Jet Li movie?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yes!

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw it in Paris (I do not speak much French and no Cantonese, so it was um pretty difficult to follow.) It's no Ashes of Time, but it's really pretty (and so Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon it hurts.) Still JET in a sort of serious role! Gotta love it!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, don't get it on DVD though! It just showed in the Asian-American International Film Festival so it'll be out here soon, I'm sure.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

what is Ashes of Time? (I know NOTHING about HK films).

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

oh wait, it's a war kong wai film I haven't seen.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

This amazing Sergio Leone-esque chinese swordsman flick that Wong Kar-wai did. It's got Leslie Cheung, Jacky Cheung, both Tony Leungs, Brigit Lai and Maggie Cheung in it. It's maybe the best non-western western ever made.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

haha I fucking mangled his name, what the hell is wrong with me?

What is the name of his latest film, the one he's been shooting for ten years or something? And the status?

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you are talking about 2046 which may or may not be his futuristic sci-fi musical which has been rumored to have been a lie on many occassions. It's supposed to come out this year. Good luck.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually this just reminded me that I should look for the movie which Wai's amazing cinematographer Christopher Doyle directed which is supposed to phenomenal.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

is it San tiao ren? It sounds bizarre.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah. I've been hearing about since 1999 (which is when it did the film festival circuit.) It's supposed to be just visually unbelievable, a DP's wet dream. I guess it's never gonna come out and it's not available on DVD to boot. :(

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought the Bride's husband-to-be looked a little bit like Donut Bitch.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

The trailers i saw before Kill Bill were for Van Helsing and the Will Smith robot movie which looks hilarious. Or at least the trailer was hilarious, the movie looks really bad. In the trailer they kept saying the word ROBOT over and over, at least 50 times in a short trailer, and it cracked me up for some reason. I just love that word. Plus, the robots look like crash test dummies and are really unscary. Oh, and they had 50 supposedly great will smith action movie catch-phrases in the trailer that were all really terrible and almost seemed like a Simpsons parody of action movie catch-phrases.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The trailer for the Will Smith movie really does make it look like it is going to be the worst movie of all time. Scott is otm about the robots, as a robot afficianado I have to say that the robots are soooo disapointing.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked the fact that they took the general concept behind "I, Robot" and used it to remake "The Terminator".

Also, I thought the robots looked like they could conceivably transform into gigantic vibrators.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

http://kill-bill.cz/game/index.php

― :|, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

What does it do? It loads itself and just sits there.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

there is an arow in the loewr right corner. click it then on "hrat".

― :|, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Arrow? Maybe it's still loading or something.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.pokerindustries.com/poker.store?page=item&sku=AWAYWITHWO-DVD&pquery=away%20with%20words That Chris Doyle movie, as found by a friend of mine.

― |OBEY|EYE|BO| (deangulberry), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it's no Soul Calibur II but that flash game is pretty funny.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Nevermind, you don't get to fight O-Ren, it's bullshit.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

1. would it have made more sense for Budd to bury Kiddo under Paula Schulz's casket? If I was a sadistic killer type that's what I would've done, but of course that would've ended the movie.

2. Kiddo's Rolex (pregnancy test scene) is fake, no?

― hstencil, Friday, 23 April 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

1. the kung fu dude was cool
2. bill was one boring guy, though I guess this isn't a good enough reason to kill him. I liked his superman theory.
3. volume 1 was way better

Trailers I saw:
1. Troy - looks terrible
2. The Day After Tomorrow - from the director of Independence Day - pass
3. That Johnny Depp film where he's a writer.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 24 April 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm pretty psyched for 'the day after tomorrow'.

this film was extremely disappointing though. : /

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 April 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

you know what would have been cool? if instead of making two movies quentin tarantino had somehow combined them into one!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i actually liked a bunch of stuff about this movie, like how during the elle fight neither of them could get the sword out of its sheath.

but yeah for a movie that long let's see some more fight scenes! i felt pretty cheated about the whole budd thing, and the final confrontation with bill shoulda been less chit-chat, more swordfighting! i felt like i was promised a dramatic battle on the beach in the moonlight!

the training stuff was great though, though i still cannot figure out why when we come back to the bride in the coffin qt didn't intercut the final punch through the coffin with a shot of her finally doing it successfully during the pai mei sequence. i felt we needed one more shot of that part of the movie to complete it.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

The training sequence is strangely short of a payoff. It's too bad cuz it's probably the best sequence in the entire movie.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah! it so needed a "your training is complete" bit!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

there's so much stuff in both of these movies that just lags. i really think dividing them and padding them out was a huge mistake.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

like i can see including the sushi scene in the first one or the strip club stuff in vol 2 in a lotr-style extended dvd thing, but christ, enough of that shit is enough.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I think the O-Ren background was the gratuitous part. WHY does she get a history?!?!? No one else does? And it's like 10 minutes long!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:52 (twenty-one years ago)

at least it was a pretty cartoon!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I keep thinking the first part should have been maybe an hour plus 10/15 and the second part maybe 2 hours and then edited well it would be a brisk 3 hour epic. I still like the second part a lot. The first part was okay, but still nothing special.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

really? i found i enjoyed vol 1 a lot more--the crazy 88 & subsequent gorgeous o-ren fight (and her in the boardroom), the amazing landing in tokyo sequence especially--nothing in vol 2 really did it for me like that stuff.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

But O-Ren's background was the best part of both, right there with the boardroom scene.

My favorite bit from the second was Uma's reaction shot to "You're my favorite person. But every once in a while you can be a real cunt." The only good acting she's ever done!

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i also like how she's jetting all over the world in the first one, while the landscape in vol 2 seemed a lot more static (save the training seq)

(xp)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

btw i think uma's great in both.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Tarantino's a weak action director actually. He captures none of the energy and excitement of great kung fu/swordfighting/gunplay epics. When I saw vol. 1 NO ONE made a sound. I've never watched a Ringo Lam or John Woo flick where everybody was gasping or cheering or laughing. Tarantino's all about uncomfortable violence and snappy dialogue. I can understand wanting to try something else, but he should probably stick to his strengths in the future.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 April 2004 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i actually thought the action stuff in the first one was pretty terrif, but wasn't really impressed by the fighting in vol. 2. more long shots please! (i know that's difficult if the characters are fighting in a trailer, but still)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

(i esp think he really pulled of the de palma stuff in the "house of 1000 leaves" or whatever that was called sequence)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't stand kung fu-type films, but I loved Vol. 1., whatever that might mean.

(xp)
Uma's not bad, except for the things that were obviously added to explain the cut into two films. Those were pretty weak. But the only time she really shined was that reaction and the kid in general.

There's nothing I'd want to see cut out of the first at all. You could maybe trim a little off the sushi intro or the Crazy 88 fight scene, but everything else was great.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 26 April 2004 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

s1ocki OTM about long shots. The restaurant steadicam shots were fantastic.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 26 April 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

you could cut the whole sushi bit and i'd be happy, but i wouldn't want to lose any of the fighting stuff

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

See I thought the "Crazy 88s vs. Uma" sequence was worst part of the whole thing. Part of is that Uma's just not athletic enough to pull this sort of thing off. It's also just terribly paced from basically beginning to end and since it's the ENTIRE second half of the flick, it just made the whole experience intermittedly boring (and I LOVE KUNG FU films.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 April 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

But you need the sushi to set up the sword scene. The faux-tourist turned badass stuff was some of Tarantino's better writing, too.

Tarantino's weaknesses, to me, are getting you to care about the characters and his dialogue when it's not snappy repartee. Some of that Bill stuff was rough and uncomfortable.

I'm seriously excited at the prospect of his WWII movie. The good bits of Band of Brothers or Saving Private Ryan (without the sentimental bullshit.) and you know it'll have some Fuller/Peckinpah pastiche elements.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 26 April 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Plus the soldiers commenting on their favorite 70's tv shows.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 26 April 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

That's weird, [Gordon Liu] is in both KB1 and KB2 playing different parts.

As is Michael Parks - The sherrif in the first, and the repellent/charming Mexican ex-pimp in the second. I imagine thei sis why they get a special credit in the second credits, just after the main players.

I was very wrapped up in the film, to the extent where if you'd asked me at almost any point what had been happening half an hour before I'd have been in trouble.

Also B.B. (Beatrix+Bill) is the idealised kid in many ways. No toddler period, no birth, just come in and you have a moppet who likes to watch Shogun Assasin with you.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 26 April 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought it was a much better film than the first one, less indulgent and alot funnier. Madsen's was probably the best character of the two movies.

It flagged a bit at the end maybe, I thought there was a slight sense of the love angle being shoehorned into all the action scenes. I thought the action was alot crisper this time around too.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 26 April 2004 07:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Personally, I'd just have added the kung fu dude to volume 1, and called it Kill Bill. Volume 1 worked coz it was about swords and vengence. Volume 2 didn't work coz it strove too hard for reason and gasbagging.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 26 April 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Tarantino's a weak action director actually. He captures none of the energy and excitement of great kung fu/swordfighting/gunplay epics. When I
saw vol. 1 NO ONE made a sound.

That's an interesting take, though -- like he's trying for a contemplative art film you ponder a la Tarkovsky or something.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 April 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

When I say Vol. 1, everyone was transfixed at the O-Ren fight. No one said anything in that sequence until Uma spanked that kid with the flat of her sword.

The largest reaction to Vol. 2 was the eyeball. EW.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 26 April 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i was actually laughing like crazy at the eyeball thing, but it was probably nervous "omg" laughter

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked vol. 1 & 2, but think s1ocki's criticisms are otm.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

you know there are whole scenes that i think could be cut in both volumes, but more than that i think tarantino could've trimmed a lot of fat without losing much by punching up the internal editing of a lot of the sequences, which just play slow.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The burying scene was the other completely brilliant sequence in this movie.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

but what did they do with Paula Schultz's coffin?

― hstencil, Monday, 26 April 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

hid it behind some grave stones?

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

well then they would've been found out, no?

― hstencil, Monday, 26 April 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, if you're gonna bury someone in someone else's grave, why leave clues?

― hstencil, Monday, 26 April 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like a scavenger hunt.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, but let's not forget they let people with samurai swords on to planes in this movie. I don't think they really worried about the cops.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway it's not so much that that bothers me as them not burying Kiddo's coffin under Paula Schultz's. That would've been much more sadistic and made escape impossible.

― hstencil, Monday, 26 April 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought they were gonna bury her IN paula schultz's coffin! possibly w/paula schultz inside!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

That would've been much more sadistic and made escape impossible.

I don't know if Bud didn't really want her to escape -- he did leave her a flashlight.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

but yeah, very terrifying scene

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah, the whole name thing, beeping out her name for three-quarters of the film, what was the point of that? I mean it's not like a big deal when do find out her real name. And the kid really annoyed me, though most kids in films annoy me.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember that Bud was all, "She deserves her revenge and we all deserve to die" before he was all, "eh, but fuck it, I like money more than atoning for my sins".

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

but yeah, very terrifying scene

I think I'll wait on the DVD maxirelease of all this and watch it at once, but I have to say all the descriptions of the burial scene intrigue me due to seeing Frailty and the scene where the older brother is locked in the dungeon area, though not buried as such. I thought it was handled marvellously and I will enjoy seeing QT's take on the trope.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

at the end, I was hoping that Elle would come back, I mean she wasn't dead, she could've been like Daredevil and used her other senses to fight. Plus, it was obvious that Kiddo was gonna use that 5 star heart punch thing.

Maybe, I'll like this film more when it comes out on DVD.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I love that when they flash back to school after the reveal of the name, the kid just before her is called "(name forgot) Whorehouse".

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 26 April 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"That's an interesting take, though -- like he's trying for a contemplative art film you ponder a la Tarkovsky or something."

Andrei Roublev was a sucky action film too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 April 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

dude but that flying sequence at the beginning rocked!

― hstencil, Monday, 26 April 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Talk about blowing your wad early though! There is like NO movement in the next 3 hours! They used up all the motion allowed in Soviet flicks in one sequence!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 April 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha, yet another advantage to capitalism.

― hstencil, Monday, 26 April 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought the Kiddo joke was excellent!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 26 April 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

the bride pulls the eyeball stunt in the first one too (on one of the crazy 88, I think.)

there are a lot of things I picked up re-watching vol. 1 in light of having seen vol. 2.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 26 April 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

both volumes are evil in that they totally make you wanna get together w/ some friends and re-enact scenes from them, but if you're young enough to be allowed to do that you totally shouldn't be allowed to see 'em.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, I just came back from seeing Vol.2 and it's 2 in the morning and I have a lot to do tomorrow, so I should be heading off to bed, but I'm too damn pumped. I keep jumping around doing kung-fu movies and barking the theme from Ironside in random directions.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

i'm just upset we were denied BOTH moonlit AND dawnlit beach swordplay

― m. (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 June 2004 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

ts: clark kent as superman's critique of humanity Vs. clark kent as superman's eulogy / jealousy / animated desire?

― cºzen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 July 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

superman is jewish

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 July 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

he represents the struggle of eastern european immigrant jews in the early 20th century--"clark kent" is assimilation

(uh oh is this what that michael chabon book's all about? if so then forget i said anything)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 July 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

he had better.

― cºzen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 July 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

four weeks pass...

Alright I finally rented KB2 last weekend. I loved the part where Beatrix just snatched out Elle's eye instead of killing her. I can't believe anyone would complain about that. Leaving her blind and alone in a trailer with a deadly snake in it in the middle of the fuckin desert is a way more fucked up and severe punishment than merely killing her would have been.
I didn't mind the third act at all, mostly because it wasn't what I was expecting, and when Bill started going off about Superman I was fairly amused at the absurdity of the whole thing.
Also the DVD extra's for KB2 are really cool. Besides the documentary, you get a two song clip of Robert Rodriguez's band Chingon (who kick ass) performing at the premiere, and a very cool deleted scene where Bill takes out a bunch of dudes in the street while Beatrix looks on (presumably meant to go just before the Pai Mei sequence).

So, any more new comments from people who just caught this on DVD?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 23 August 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I finally saw KB2 last night on DVD as well. Like Aaron, I love how Elle is left alone to die, because she always fought dirty.
The main question I have is why does Gordon Liu play both Johnny Mo and Pai Mei? I'm now trying to make connections that may not be there, because of the double use of the actor.
I thought it was important that she is wearing an orange bathrobe over one shoulder, like a Buddhist monk's robe, when she finally kills Bill. My friend said she thought it wasn't deliberate-I think it ties back to the story of Pai Mei and the Shaolin Monk. ???

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 27 August 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't think too hard about this movie.

I was kind of surprised that was the only deleted scene (esp. cuz it was pretty fun.) I mean there were like a million cuts from the original script I read, did none of that shit get filmed?!? I wonder if the two DVD Kill Bill set will be rife with extras and "lost" footage.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

man i wish he had just made ONE movie

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

what a stupid fucking idea to split it up

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It would have been much better as one three hour movie, yeah.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't mind it split up, since the tone is so different between the two films.

Yes, there is already a super-deluxe DVD set on the way. This is just the rushed-to-market for-rental-only version.

The main question I have is why does Gordon Liu play both Johnny Mo and Pai Mei?

They had someone else to play Pai Mei originally, but it didn't pan out for some reason, so he asked Liu. No special significance to it at all. Just a practical decision. I was amazed to learn that the guy who plays the sherrif in the first movie is the same guy who plays the Mexican pimp in the second.

― Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Tarantino is very right about Michael Parks being a totally underrated actor.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish there were more training montages.

― Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I enjoyed this one more than the first, mainly because the first was ass (entertaining ass but ass) until they went to Japan. Is Uma Thurman Liza Minelli to Quentin's Scorcese? Cuz the dude is OBSESSED.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

so he asked Liu. No special significance to it at all.
But I thought QT said in the doc that the point to having Liu play Pai Mei was that Liu was always the good guy who fought against Pai Mei (who is not an original character of QT) in those old Shaw Bros. and here was his big chance to BE Pai Mei.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

being a feminazi with a blood phobia i avoided this movie for ages. which is too bad cuz i loved it. i think it had more of a women's sensibility than any action movie i ever saw. i can't at all see how it's degrading.

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...

far too many different typefaces.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 16 May 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

the second time I saw Vol. 2 it felt like it was about nine hours long. Too much talking.

just thinking about the O-Ren boardroom scene from vol. 1 makes me giddy.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 16 May 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)

volume 2 was a real drag.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 16 May 2005 02:22 (twenty years ago)

totally. so badly edited.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 16 May 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)

http://www.kestan.com/travel/dc/dup_cir/drag/Copy%20of%204389%20dup%20cir%20drag%20night%20beautiful%20couple.jpg

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 May 2005 04:31 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...

Great excerpt from a Howard Hampton book on "extreme cinema" in the current Film Comment issue which gets to the core of KB:

"Personal interaction never stands a chance when every interminable scene is geared to making baggage-laden actors into beasts of burden lugging iconic wares across parched terrain... Cultivating the nonexistent mystique of David Carradine or molding Uma Thurman into a Monica Vitti Action Madonna is like erecting a Home Depot superstore to hawk Indian relics and underground trinkets...

"Tarantino plugs in random access sentiment like memory upgrades when the narrative lags or requires an extra dimension to alleviate the emotion-starved monotony. But passion isn't something you can just Plug 'n' Play -- it's not the same as a bottomless enthusiasm for white-haired kung fu masters, samurai Morse codes, Nancy Sinatra B-sides, or Sonny Chiba's greatest smacks."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Yawn.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

But not a 4-1/2-hour yawn.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Eh I liked the second half. But if Tarantino-talk isn't your thing, yeah Kill Bill is not the movie for you.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

That gets to the 'core of KB2.' KB1 was quite a bit different (and much better).

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

I did like KB1 a bit more. Then we found out it all MEANT SOMETHING.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Did we?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Kill Bill 2 was far from soulless and vacant as that excerpt seems to imply. It had a huge emotional impact on me, and that without even "getting" half the "iconic" references. Also, I like that it's a sort of pastiche, but that's not really what makes it good (or bad. Which it's not).

― Laura H. (laurah), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

THOSE RAPPERS ARE JUST TALKING OVER OTHER PEOPLE'S MUSIC

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

OTM

― Laura H. (laurah), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

Quite an argument -- Yeah, QT is just getting off on being a rice queen and watching girls fight... over music from "Mannix."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

I don't know that Dr Morbius has a leg to stand on criticizing Tarantino's footnoted-homage-pastiche steez since his only contribution to any of these threads that isn't a sarcastic, irrational non sequitur is just a direct quote from a Village Voice hack!

― TOMBOT, Friday, 11 November 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

Personal interaction never stands a chance when every interminable scene is geared to making baggage-laden actors into beasts of burden lugging iconic wares across parched terrain
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/dreamworks_skg/saving_private_ryan/_group_photos/tom_hanks9.jpg

― TOMBOT, Friday, 11 November 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/11/larry.linville/story.jpg

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.subcin.com/eltopo02.JPG

― sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

yeah dr morbius didn't you get the old memo that you can't criticize something, or even post another's criticism of something, unless you can do bette? (and "do better" means make long-winded analytical posts about mediocre films on a messageboard)

― oops (Oops), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

Your english comprehension is just as bad, Remade Movies man

― TOMBOT, Friday, 11 November 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

I agree with Laura, about how I really doubt most KB fans like it because it is some pastiche and not because of other qualities the film has. I understood pretty much all of the iconic references and didn't really care. I don't care how many or how little references a film makes to other movies as long as I like the end product, FWIW.

hahaha xpost oops everyone still hates you, you should superhero-team-up with Morbius.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Davis,%20Bette/Davis,%20Bette_05.jpg

I can do bette.

― KSTFUNS (Ex Leon), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Kill Bill 2 effected me on a visceral level like few films do. So what if every scene is a pastiche of a thousand grindhouse movies I've never heard of, it was done with such confidence and verve that it had a tremendous impact on ME, sitting in the cinema watching THAT film. One of my favourite movies of the 00s.

― chap who would dare to tell uninteresting celeb spotting stories (chap), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I enjoyed the references (even though I'm nowhere near a martial-arts buff) at the same time that I enjoyed the action and the dialogue, maybe the two enjoyments are parallel and maybe they're not. Watching the DVDs back to back on a Sunday afternoon was a highlight of my summer.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Confidence and verve count for something if there's a soul, like in the better MGM musicals.

Hey oops, just so you know, "everyone" = Mr and Mrs Non Sequitur, Harvardperry, and a couple more anonymous OTM cheerleaders.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Everyone who counts ~~loves Ned Flanders~~ hates Quentin Tarantino

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Morbius do you actually have ANYTHING to say? EVER? Do you have ANY point you really want to make, besides convincing me you're just the latest iteration of Jabberwacky/Eliza?

― TOMBOT, Friday, 11 November 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

do you have anything to say that's not wrapped in egomaniacal assholery?
ally why do you continue to think I care that people whom I hate hate me? or for that matter that you speak for "everyone"? y'all are the perfect egomaniacal negative-energy couple. please don't spawn though.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

i found it to be a very good film with the standout scene being the "buried-whilst-alive" bit. i don't actually know if i'd watch it again, maybe if it comes out in some sort of mega-deluxe cut. the use of music was, as always with his films, pretty great. carradine does in fact have a certain iconic mystique, albeit a strange, mysterious "pop culture" mystique. although he falls short of robert forster's performance in jackie brown, which could be said for everyone else who's ever appeared in a tarantino film.

― gear (gear), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Watch "Bound for Glory" and tell me about David C's mystique. He did a silly faux-martial arts TV show 30 years ago, hence he's a god in QT's eyes.

KB might've worked as one film, cut as a comedy. (best moment: soil puffing out of UT's hair from diner guy's POV) And Tarantino could've played the kung fu master as planned.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

What was a real martial arts TV show? The one with Gil Gerard and the kid?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

The existence of silly faux-martial arts TV shows does not imply there was ever a real one.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

There has also never been a real Dr Morbius, then, just the silly faux version?

― TOMBOT, Friday, 11 November 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

David Carradine's actually a pretty good actor. Certainly better than the original choice.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

God, ILX is bitchy these days.

― chap who would dare to tell uninteresting celeb spotting stories (chap), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Frank Burns ignorant as ever...

http://www.synthesizers.com/morbius.jpg

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Carradine is a good actor. Whatever his past choices may have been.

― gear (gear), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

Alex, you mean Warren Beatty? DC's never approached McCabe or Bulworth.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

The Long Riders is very good, but yeah it's not McCabe. Bulworth, uh yeah.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

:D The best political film of the last decade...

DC's greatest film moment was getting wounded in the men's room in Mean Streets.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

":D The best political film of the last decade..."

That's an underwhelming award (I also assume you mean non-documentary political film.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

alex you're talking to someone who thinks alan pakula is leagues better than herzog for crying out loud. you're arguing art with a bloomberg yuppie. rethink certain decisions yall. i mean at least i wasted my time on momus!

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Everything one needs to know about the contemporary Democratic Party is in "Bulworth." I don't recall any (American) docs that were better offhand.

Blount is probably more delusional than the Bots, if more stylish.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

Haha okay that Pakula thing silly.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

oh c'mon, bulworth is a terrible movie. even my kael-quotin', depalma-worshippin', bam-curatin' friend who saw it with me at the time agreed!

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm curious as to why I got brought up in this conversation? Surely there's a better reason than "Morbius was feeling pissy"?

― Dan (Fuck Off) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Dan, don't you realize that you are just an extension of Tom and Ally? I can't believe you had to find out this way. On a message board of all places.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

ok hands up, who likes oops?

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

and *my* reading comprehension skills are lacking?!?

― oops (Oops), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

Who's down with OOP?

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

YEAH YOU KNOW ME!

*cascading flakes of dandruff fall from hair*

― EBAY RECORD COLLECTORS (hstencil), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

i love those guys! I once sold an "OOP" U2 interview disc for $100 that I bought for $1 at Record Surplus.

― gear (gear), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

I made an airforce dude and two Kentucky boys sleep in cubicles in my office so that I could go home and get covered in barbecue sauce. Then we went to an Oirish pub and drank and now we're watching VH1 classic and a computer scientist in a shiny silver future shirt is sleeping on my floor.

-- Ally (mlescau...), August 10th, 2003.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

OH SNAP
ZINGED
I GIVE UP

― TOMBOT, Friday, 11 November 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

it's very telling that in your world being boring is a worse character flaw than being a haughty cunty bully nerd.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

I GET THE LAST WORD

― Dan (Every ILE Argument Ever) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

― gear (gear), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

yeah because outside of ILE, people don't try to get the last word.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

nice try, cheesehead!

― oops (Oops), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

MINE

― Dan (LAST WORD) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

Glad to see that we are still talking about Kill Bill here.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:21 (twenty years ago)

― gear (gear), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

PWNED

― Dan (HA HA CTL-V FEEB) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

Oops, did you really just insult Jordan with "cheesehead"?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

being boring is a worse character flaw than being a haughty cunty bully nerd.

Sooooo true. I mean, it's hard to bully more than one person at a time, if you're committed to doing a really quality job, but boringness can offend pretty much an infinite number of people at once. Really, your only constraints are venue size and/or availability of communications equipment.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

Can I just reiterate that the movie had a Mangusta in it and therefore is automatically fantastic?

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

Wait, are you Patrin?

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

yes jaymc! what's the other wisconsin-based epithet? and what's the one they call Illinoisans?
oh and Kill Bill has about 8 minutes total of great plot, action, and dialogue throughout both volumes, 130 mins of mediocrity, and the rest is horrid.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

flatlanders?

― gear (gear), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

city folk?

― gear (gear), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

peoria ass bandits?

― gear (gear), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

kankakee kocksuckers?

― gear (gear), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

people who are literally offended by being bored are the ones who will lead to the downfall of civilization. them and the shriners obv.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

my hometown newspapers--woodstock, IL--once had a headline that discussed how japanese war vets were protesting an "Enola homosexual exhibit".

― gear (gear), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

haha

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

my friend's dad: "nothin' gay about nukin'!"

― gear (gear), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wisconsin

"Considering the Illinois term "Cheese Heads" and the Wisconsin term "FIB" (F***ing Illinois B******s) I have to disagree with the "vetern Wisconsonites" here and say that yes, such a rivalry does indeed exist. Agriculture 01:16, 17 July 2005 (UTC)"

― oops (Oops), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

it's like a whole state filled with tombots: can't think up a decent, zesty insult!

― oops (Oops), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

Wisconsin's drinking age was 18 until 1984! i remember when i was a kid hearing about how over the border trips were a big deal for high school seniors, and even at 10 I was looking forward to it. but nope, those damn feds.

― gear (gear), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

Wait, are you Patrin?

I dunno. Is that important?

― disco violence (disco violence), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

Forced cannibalism: classic or dud? I say classic.

― KSTFUNS (Ex Leon), Saturday, 12 November 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

What kind of "decent, zesty insult" am I supposed to come up with for a person whom I can only really think of as a small-minded dullard? If the shoe fits, wear it, or in your case, deep throat the motherfucker whenever the opportunity presents itself.

― TOMBOT, Saturday, 12 November 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)

Seriously why don't you et Morbo just get your own board? It could be like aja/dante but less stimulating.

― TOMBOT, Saturday, 12 November 2005 04:33 (twenty years ago)

is there any plan for a combined version yet? KB1 is some kind of masterpiece, and it's a shame it's attached to a mostly mediocre part two. i've been hoping the whole film will make part two work better.

― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 12 November 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)

Like I said, bitchy.

― chap who would dare to tell uninteresting celeb spotting stories (chap), Saturday, 12 November 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)

you know, a decent, zesty one, tom! i mean a man of your intellectual girth should have them falling out of his ass. I'm disappointed in you, man. All my gods have fallen. What happend to you quitting this board? Could you not get your daily requirement of pretending you're intellectually superior to everyone on Planet Earth without ILE? Did you run out of barbecue sauce and 30 packs of PBR? Did people on this board get tired of your constant egotism and the endless stream of "opinions" during late-night phone calls? Did you finally tire of masturbating while staring at yourself in the mirror? I need to know!

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 12 November 2005 06:30 (twenty years ago)

oops you gonna answer ally's question?

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 12 November 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

also why did you choose the phrase '30 packs'? i'm curious to what wheels turned when that 'fell out of your ass', also what wheels turned when you decided on the phrase 'falling out of your ass', also why you felt the need to deploy sexual imagery 3 times in your 'zinger' - "i need to know!" i'm also curious as to what drives you and morbius to continue posting here - i can't imagine it's 'i like the conversation' and god knows it's not 'i like the folx there and they like me' cuz i'd guess neither of you could find five threads either of you posted on more than four times that didn't eventually feature the majority of the posters on said thread calling you douchebags, i could be wrong i don't know. who do you like here? who likes you? name names - "i need to know!" i'm curious in what drives a man to post on a messageboard filled with people he doesn't like that like him even less. i don't think it's trolling but i can't figure out exactly what it is. not trying to 'zing' you here (i'd've accused you of shooting zesty ones out of your cock or buying 27 packs of stroh's or something - hit em up oops style), sincerely interested (perhaps, yes, if only to answer why do I continue posting here?). i'd ask others why they bother to engage morbius or oops but i've been there so i sorta understand the impulse.

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 12 November 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure Beatty wouldnt have taken the Bill part in a million years.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 November 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

i wish he had

i also wish kill bill had been one good 3-hour movie instead of two padded 2 and some odd hour movies

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 13 November 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...

I just watched Vol. 2 for the first time last night and it was a lotta fun, obv. I'm surprised nobody mentioned the first scene in the wedding chapel. In Vol. 1 the chapel is this totemic, mythological site of the violence that births the movie and in Vol. 2 it's totally flipped and there's this goofy goateed guy in there she's getting married to, you find out she's working in a used record store, her friends are in there with her.. When Bill shows up the charade they go through is just horrifying.

I still can't stand Michael Madsen but he's perfectly cast.

Favorite actor = Madsen's boss in the strip club. !!!!! PITCH PERFECT

It seemed as though there was talk of a condensed, 1-movie director's cut on some of these threads... did that ever materialise?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 1 October 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Oh i have a question! In the version I ~~downloaded~~saw, there were no subtitles for the entire Mai Pei training sequence!! It was like OK this is cool, it gets me into the whole "bewildered" mindset but it would have been nice to know what they were saying. Is that how it was supposed to be?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 1 October 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

No! That's a bit weird!

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Sunday, 1 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

eleven years pass...

Favorite actor = Madsen's boss in the strip club. !!!!! PITCH PERFECT

"there's your name... there used to be your name. There's your name... there used to be your name."

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 15:28 (eight years ago)

watched both of these back-to-back while my wife was home sick yesterday, they hold up nicely as a complete package. seems inevitable that there will be a sequel featuring old, blind Daryl Hannah and old wizened Uma Thurman alongside whoever plays the two daughters all grown up

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 15:48 (eight years ago)

Saw both in a theater earlier this year and yeah they’re still really sharp. 4 hours flew by

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:04 (eight years ago)

yea these are fun

― marcos, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:05 (eight years ago)

yeah the gradual filling in of details and the constant genre-jumping keep it from ever really losing momentum, and Uma is fantastic in the lead role, just the right mixture of anger and sadness and humor

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:06 (eight years ago)

several great, funny bit parts too - Chiba and his sidekick arguing in the sushi shop, the strip club manager,

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:08 (eight years ago)

Some smart editing could have gotten these down to a long, but more concise single film. There are many sequences in both (pt 1 more than pt 2 though) that I love, but also many that are just too long or unnecessary. The final scenes with Bill are my least favorite as they get utterly bogged down with QT dialoguing and forget about action altogether.

― Moodles, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:11 (eight years ago)

tbh these are the last tarantino movies i've watched i think...

― marcos, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:14 (eight years ago)

oh wait i saw death proof which was very bad

― marcos, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:15 (eight years ago)

you should see Inglorious Basterds, it's his best

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:24 (eight years ago)

yea i think i got kind of turned off by death proof but i should really watch the last three

― marcos, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:25 (eight years ago)

One (two) of those movies I watch from whatever point I come across it on TV.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:26 (eight years ago)

The final scenes with Bill are my least favorite as they get utterly bogged down with QT dialoguing and forget about action altogether.

the very last sequence where he shoots her with the truth serum is def padded (there's no reason for that whole Superman speech) but Uma's responses to his questions are genuinely affecting imo, and when his ultimate excuse is "I overreacted" and she resorts to her "we have unfinished business" line (which she used on the others and clearly indicates she's made up her mind to kill him) is very good.

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:27 (eight years ago)

but i should really watch the last three

the last two suck, don't bother

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:27 (eight years ago)

Watch Django up until Christoph Waltz says "Alexander Dumas was black" and (SPOILER REDACTED), then shut it off.

― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:31 (eight years ago)

Last two not remotely worth their combined runtime, even from a completist's vantage.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:34 (eight years ago)

Hope that someday he makes something as good as these and Inglorious Basterds again.

― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:42 (eight years ago)

I don't see how you could pare these down into a single 2.5 / 3 hour film. Vol. 2 is essentially 3 or 4 long scenes. Even if you ditch the padding in some of those scenes (Superman speech), you're still looking at a 3.5+ hour movie.

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:43 (eight years ago)

vol. 2 as i remember it is basically Budd -> Pai Mei -> Elle -> Bill

― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:44 (eight years ago)

you should see Inglorious Basterds, it's his best

ehhhhhhhh Jackie Brown is his best but IB is a very close second.

― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:47 (eight years ago)

Watch Django up until Christoph Waltz says "Alexander Dumas was black" and (SPOILER REDACTED), then shut it off.

This is good advice

ehhhhhhhh Jackie Brown is his best but IB is a very close second.

This is correct

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:56 (eight years ago)

http://www.indiewire.com/2014/07/quentin-tarantino-says-kill-bill-the-whole-bloody-affair-will-hit-theaters-in-2015-274033/

As the title suggests, it’s a longer cut of the director’s two-part martial arts/vengeance epic, the most notable inclusion being a 30 minute anime sequence. Way, way back in 2011, ‘The Whole Bloody Affair’ screened at the New Beverly… and that was the last anyone heard about it..

― piscesx, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:13 (eight years ago)

it screens every few months at the New Beverly.

Favorite actor = Madsen's boss in the strip club. !!!!! PITCH PERFECT

a few weeks ago, I saw "Grindhouse 2" at the New Bev, which was Rodriguez' Machete plus Hell Ride, written and directed by and produced by and starring Larry Bishop, the strip club boss Larry from Kill Bill.

Leading a sparse motorcycle gang, Bishop speaks in a comical tough-guy drawl, and as a skinny near-60-year-old rarely goes two scenes in a row without some boobs, or elaborate wordplay about how badly a girl wants him to sex her, or girls snorting coke off him in a foursome. Dennis Hopper and David Carradine appear, Michael Madsen is his biker sidekick in a dress shirt and tux jacket, a 30-year-old Eric Balfour from Buffy and Can’t Hardly Wait and Six Feet Under plays the male ingenue. It’s just this side of laugh with, rather than laugh at.

Bishop was also in attendance for the double feature, and the trailers between the two were two of the motorcycle pictures he appeared in as a teen/20sth for Sam Arkoff, faded to various shades of pink. He got up and talked afterwards, for a full hour, rambling and leaping from topic to topic, taking questions but having to check each time whether he’d answered them. Dude was HIGHLY ENTERTAINING. By about twenty minutes in, he had gradually brought up a) a beautiful Brazilian woman he said had been cast in his next film, if he can ever get the funding (he has a trilogy written), b) a beautiful Chilean woman he had been schmoozing and praising the dressed-up see-through outfit off in the lobby, saying she hadn’t been cast in a role she’d auditioned for, but it showed commitment to be staying in touch, and c) a fat ponytail with handlebar mustache who has also been cast in the next film, as one of three bikers Bishop will kill in the opening minutes. “I wanted someone bigger than me so it looks impressive, and he really looks the part.” All three continued to flank him, politely edging from foot to foot, saying nothing, for the remainder of the full hour. This was fine showmanship.

He told stories from the set of Kill Bill, from the set of Hell Ride, from the journey to production, from squabbling with Bob Weinstein over the cost - “They said Larry, four million is still four million, and I had to acknowledge that they have a point.” The film took $390,000 at the box office. His discursed on the personality differences between Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra, and noted “my dad [Joey Bishop] kept 40 tuxedos in his closet. I have three outfits and I wash them every eight years.” He went to high school with Richard Dreyfuss and Rob Reiner, and got his only prior flick as producer/director made when “Richie” turned down 8 and 9 million dollar offers to be in it for free. (Roger Ebert said it was the only film he has ever seen that did not improve on the experience of staring at a blank wall for two hours.)

― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 21:22 (eight years ago)

Django is easily his worst, but I enjoyed Hateful 8 fine (in 70mm roadshow form. Can't imagine taking it in on TV.).

― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 21:24 (eight years ago)

it was a weird movie to insist on the 70mm format for imo, so little in the film calls for it, it's so claustrophobic and boring

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 21:33 (eight years ago)

Glad to see this thread show lots of love to my favorite Tarantino (still!)

― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 19 October 2017 00:04 (eight years ago)

The final scenes with Bill are my least favorite as they get utterly bogged down with QT dialoguing and forget about action altogether.

man... that's why they're good!

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 October 2017 00:25 (eight years ago)

Casting DiCaprio in Django was a fatal mistake. Everything else that doesn’t have him in it is pretty fun imo

― El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 October 2017 00:30 (eight years ago)

I wonder if the 70mm roadshow experience of Hateful Eight, coupled with the claustrophobic narrative, is meant (intentionally or not) to replicate the experience of a Grand Guignol play. In retrospect, that is exactly what it seems like it is. And, if I recall correctly, didn’t Tarantino do a bunch of stage readings of it before going behind the camera?

― rb (soda), Thursday, 19 October 2017 00:39 (eight years ago)

def excited for the possibility of Kill Bill 3

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 19 October 2017 01:29 (eight years ago)

IB and Django could have been a half hour shorter each.

― louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 19 October 2017 01:30 (eight years ago)

I just keep getting that newish Big Boi song stuck in my head each time the thread is bumped

― mh, Thursday, 19 October 2017 03:37 (eight years ago)

The whole basterds part of the film, with Pitt, was pretty eh compared to the rest, save the bar scene. Still good though.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 October 2017 03:49 (eight years ago)

The claustrophobia of The Hateful Eight paired with the 70mm format was one of the most interesting and compelling things about it, I thought. I was gripped the whole time. Felt like I was sinking into that room. Can't imagine watching it again in any other format. Maybe in 10 years.

― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 October 2017 04:35 (eight years ago)

Better start now, because the movie felt like it was 10 hours long.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 October 2017 04:58 (eight years ago)

Another one that flew by for me. Django was a slog. IB I really need to revisit because I haven't seen it since it came out & thought it was super padded

― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 October 2017 05:27 (eight years ago)

And, if I recall correctly, didn’t Tarantino do a bunch of stage readings of it before going behind the camera?

nah: after the original script was leaked and then bootlegged by Gawker/Defamer, Tarantino did one public reading at the Ace Hotel as a benefit for Film Independent, intending to not make the film. Instead, re-engaging with it led him to rework the script and shoot it after all.

― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 19 October 2017 21:48 (eight years ago)

violence nerds, ho-hum

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:33 (eight years ago)

this movie sucks

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:49 (eight years ago)

what Tarantino *really* finds anathema about John Ford is his narrative economy, and lack of self-indulgence and foot fetishism

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:52 (eight years ago)

QTs two films w out foot fetish shots are his worst ones fyi

― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:56 (eight years ago)

Which is perhaps coincidental but idk

― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:56 (eight years ago)

i'm amused that you know which two they are

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:59 (eight years ago)

Well, we only have two feet.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 October 2017 00:02 (eight years ago)

Given how obvious his foot fetish shots are, it's similarly obvious when they're omittef

― Οὖτις, Friday, 20 October 2017 00:13 (eight years ago)

Omitted

― Οὖτις, Friday, 20 October 2017 00:13 (eight years ago)

what i mean is it seemingly indicates you've watched several, or even most, of his films multiple times.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 October 2017 00:35 (eight years ago)

kinda like how you've watched a lot of spielbarf

I'm hardly interested in taking sides here but, like, ad hominems related to how much a person consumes a particular set of works is a pretty dicey foundation for argument on a board descended from another board where people make themselves listen to literally everything by the eagles and billy joel, and vote on where "lost" sonic youth songs should go on the most meager of sonic youth offerings

I won't include NV's toilet duck jingle poll because that was fucking awesome

― El Tomboto, Friday, 20 October 2017 00:40 (eight years ago)

new board description

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 20 October 2017 00:43 (eight years ago)

i watch things i like more than once, surely i am history's greatest monster

― Οὖτις, Friday, 20 October 2017 00:44 (eight years ago)

^ new board description

― flappy bird, Friday, 20 October 2017 01:05 (eight years ago)

a board descended from another board

that board is slightly more vital to me than I Love NFL

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 October 2017 01:12 (eight years ago)

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