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What are the worst films made by so called "Good" Directors?

Faraway, So Close Wenders - not only a terrible film but possibly the worst film ever made.

Bitter Moon Polanski's cringeworthy "thriller"

Pret A Porter There are lots to choose from with Altman but i'd go for this over the equally dreadful Cookie's Fortune and Short Cuts. Pret is another contender for worst movie of all time, for sure.

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Raimi, A Stupid Plan

and probably the Costner/baseball movie too, but chances are against me ever verifying this.

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Bitter Moon!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Though I didn't realize it was supposed to be a "thriller." Maybe I would have been disappointed if I was under the impression that's what it was supposed to be.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't seen Woody Allen's Anything Else, and I am a rabid fan, seen everything else he's so much as farted in. That must count for something.

― adaml (adaml), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Piranha 2: The Spawning: James Cameron's 1982 debut. I think he now a days defends it by calling it the best movie ever made about flying carnivorous fish. Or someting to that effect.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Ishtar, anyone? Elaine May has such talent within comedy; had top actors like Dustin Hoffman...and the film was still crap.

Bet she still has nightmares about it.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

bitter moon - yeah i really liked the bit in the sex scene when the guy was about to come the toast popped out of the toaster! classy!

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

and I haven't seen much Polanksi, but Bitter Moon I enjoyed a lot more than Rosemary's Baby, Repulsion, Frantic and The Ninth Gate.

dude, since when was Polanski's classy?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you never seen Pirates?

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

oh woody allen - thats a good one

Interiors

September

Celebrity

Shadows and Fog

Quite a few!

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

~~Joel Schumacher really let me down with 8mm~~

― adaml (adaml), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

wild side :(

― jones (actual), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

oh i quite liked wildside!

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i love it too but cammell was so distraught over the studio cut he killed himself

gangs of new york owns this thread but let's keep going anyway

― jones (actual), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

O Brother hatahz be damned--The Hudsucker Proxy!!!

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

oh if we're bringing the Coens into it i nominate "The Big Lebowski"

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Days Of Thunder could have been better

― jones (actual), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

who directed that?

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't it like Tony Scott or something? Or might as well've been?

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved a simple plan! what was wrong with it?

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

a lot of the people being mentioned I can't think of a flat out BAD movie they've done (that I've seen).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

The Trouble With Harry

― jones (actual), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved a simple plan! what was wrong with it?

The whole thing just felt like a bad coke jones. Everything and everyone involved in the plan is in-credibly stupid, and 15 minutes in you know it's all only going to get stupider. Also Sam reaching for all this arty grave symbolic stuff--those fucking flocks of crows, again and again and again, the endless sledgehammer foreshadowing--"Hmmm, I wonder if this is gonna turn out all right. What's that? Sorry, I can't hear you over these CHIMES OF DOOM here." Just seemed utterly lifeless in this horribly strained, empty, tense, pretentious way. Trying to be way more serious/mature than I think Sam can really pull off.

But the shotgunning is good, and the movie springs briefly to life when Gary Cole shows ...

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Marnie

(unless it's the best)

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.2hot-hot-hot.com/images/12194.GIF

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't seen it, but was it really much worse than...
http://www.jgeoff.com/godfather/gf3/img/gf3sndtk.jpg

(at least nobody expects anything good from the cover of Jack)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

marnie is a definite wtf eyebrow-raiser but that makes it less boring than TTWH (and the horseriding process-shots are beautiful and strange). some of his early b/w pictures are duller than both but i don't remember which ones.

(and yes: Days of Thunder was directed by tony "the properly-rated scott" scott)

― jones (actual), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

re: coppola - can either of those really be worse than his third of "New York Stories" Life without zoe or whatever it was called?

hmm yes i think that Jack probably can.

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatcha think Ridley's worst is? Naturally Legend comes to mind right away, but I'm kinda fond of it at this point.

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

oh god. I forgot about Life Without Zoe. Egad.

The Scott Brothers really qualify trackwise more for Bad Director, Good Movie.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

You have to allow for multiple good movies with Ridley, I have to say. With Tony, a much different story.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The director's cut of Blade Runner is the only one from IMDB's filmograpghy I'll stand by (ok, MAYBE Alien). The only one I haven't seen that I can fathom being good is White Squall (Jeff Bridges is in it).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

You'd lose that bet, Miccio. White Squall was terrible

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i also liked bitter moon. and i notice that no-one's mentioned dune yet.

― Little Big Macher (llamasfur), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

well i like white squall cos its v homoerotic, yum, and i also like thelma and louise.

for my money Wild at Heart is a worse film than Dune.

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, MAYBE Alien

You're supposed to flush the crack down the toilet, not gargle with it!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Naturally Dune comes to mind right away, but I'm kinda fond of it at this point.

(Fire Walk, anyone?)

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

A friend of mine is in White Squall as "Danish schoolgirl #3".

― adaml (adaml), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

brian i think fire walk is a masterpiece - every time i see it i love it more.

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I like it too, but I think it's a mess. (Admission: I play this bottom-of-the-batting-order game with Dune, Fire Walk, and Wild all the time)

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

best of Ridley:
Alien
G.I. Jane
the half of Blade Runner that doesn't suck ass

worst - black rain

― jones (actual), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I notice ILX is reacting with apathy to jed's punking of Short Cuts.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

brian i think fire walk is a masterpiece - every time i see it i love it more

Heh. Exactly how I feel about Lebowski.

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I notice ILX is reacting with apathy to jed's punking of Short Cuts.

Not me.

Errr...GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!

― adaml (adaml), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

if you love Raymond Carver you can only hate this film!

― jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Au contraire! Only if you hate Raymond Carver! Or think he's inviolable or something.

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

ok point taken - i cant even remember short cuts but i remember hating it!

― jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

in fact i cant even work out why i included altman in this question - i think he makes mostly bad films and the very occasional good one. (mccabe and mrs miller and Nashville)

― jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Me too, actually, on both posts. Vague image of Tim Robbins or something--I totally misread Carver as Chandler. (Never mind.)

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I was surprised to like Gosford Park, though.

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I totally misread Carver as Chandler

Randall Reynolds to thread!!

― jackson anderville (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

uh huh - tim robbins = BAD

― jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Brian, I don't get the difference between you and Jackson Anderville -- are these two separate personae??

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, look over there!

[disappears in cloud of smoke]

― jackson anderville (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

If you asked me, the major diff. is Jackson don't use ellipsis as a FUCKING CRUTCH ...

― rick lazarus (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to mention John Hughes, but I checked and found that he didn't direct any of the later movies that he wrote, such as Big Paw: Beethoven 5, or Beethoven's 4th, or Home Alone 3

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't jackson Ann? and she's logged onto Brian's account?

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

You're giving us way too much credit. If I could pull off impersonating Ann and portraying myself at the same time, I'd already be published or something ...

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

What about Jeunet's Alien movie? (I personally think it's great, but it could fit in this thread)

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

The parts where he's allowed (or allows himself, whatever) to treat it something like a Jeunet movie (the "failed clone" room exposition, the underwater stuff generally, the mother-baby finale) are really nice. The rest is mostly action figures, unfortunately, and the sad spectacle of latter-day Winona being too flat to play a fucking robot.

Wait, Dan Hedaya can do no wrong, his scenes are awesome too.

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

what was that fried green tomatoes piece of shit that altman made not too long ago? i couldn't even watch it and i actually sat thru o.c. and stiggs!

does spielberg count as a good director any more? probably not. but Hook is one of the worst movies i've ever seen in my life. i never saw always though.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i like the long version of dune.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1912/convoy1s.gif

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

the Costner/baseball movie is Bull Durham and it's great. Costner still sucks in it, tho.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i think he was talking about the sam raimi costner/baseball movie, For Love Of The Game.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

...unless you were talking abt somethiing else. still, bull durham, uh, it's really something.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

------- I haven't seen much Polanksi, but Bitter Moon I enjoyed a lot more than Rosemary's Baby

------you're insane, best horror movie ever

― sucka (sucka), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 05:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Bitter Moon, Marnie, Buffalo Bill & the Indians...

Apparently, "bad" movies from great directors are among my favorite movies ever. Great directors ought to make "bad" movies more often... instead of "good" ones (Chinatown, North By Northwest, M*A*S*H, all of which pale in my opinion to the aforementioned "bad" films).

To keep it going, I also like Gertrud more than The Passion of Joan of Arc, Phenomena more than Suspiria, Barry Lyndon much much more than Clockwork Orange, Simon of the Desert more than Viridiana, and The Private Files of J. Edgar Hoover more than Q—The Winged Serpent. All of the ones I prefer have been called "bad" on occasion.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Marnie and Buffalo Bill & the indians are indeed fine... but no way is Phenomena better than Suspiria!

― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 07:23 (twenty-two years ago)

'O Brother Where Art Thou' and 'The Man Who Wasn't There'
'Reality Bites' [vs Cable Guy and Zoolander which rock]
Bertolucci's '1900'
'Lilya 4 Evah'

― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

The Sacrifice.. sorry, I love Tarkovsky but WTF? Something didn't work.

I am worried that Bruno Dumont's new film is gonna suck.

I didn't like Exotica at all, tho liked lots of other Egoyan esp. Felicia's Journey which most seemed to hate..
I also really liked Neil Jordan's In Dreams, but Interview with the Vampire was kinda unfortunate.

― daria g (daria g), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and as for Wenders, if I never have to hear Wings of Desire mentioned ever again by anyone I know, that would be great, because then I wouldn't have to complain about how much it sucked and watch the person look wounded because it's one of their favorite movies.

And not that I think Wes Anderson is all that good, but Bottle Rocket = absolutely horrible! argh.

And I don't know if Herzog is generally my cup of tea, but his Nosferatu was ridiculous.

― daria g (daria g), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 09:13 (twenty-two years ago)

The director's cut of Blade Runner is the only one from IMDB's filmograpghy I'll stand by (ok, MAYBE Alien).

reverse the order of those films and i'm with you.

i kinda sorta liked thelma and louise: am i insane?

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Daria hates all good movies! I would say Felicia's Journey is Egoyan's worst film although I liked some of it. It's the only one I haven't watched multiple times.

Nosferatu is ridiculous. I still like it though.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Meet the Feebles! peter jackson

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

You're on crack Daria.. But I've now started thinking of Wenders as being dead after the Bono million dollar fiasco.

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

(i should see thelma and louise again probably)

i can't see sterling's picture - what is it?

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait wait wait, Nickalicious -- are you impugning Meet the Feebles? One of the greatest films ever?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmmm...maybe I should try watching it again only not wigging on acid this time ha ha.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

That would be wise. You don't need drugs when watching it, it will do the job for you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

bad director, goooood movie would be more fun & interesting I think! though I am not convinced of any of this!

bitter moon rulez! so does 9th gate!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned OTMFM

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Watching 'Meet the Feebles' on acid is nearly as bad as going to a GWAR show on acid. (I guess that last 'on acid' is superfluous)

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

my fair lady!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Er... Vanilla Sky?

*ducks*

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

chuck did you miss the bad film bad director thread?...

― jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

bump

i just saw intolerable movie, sorry cruelty.

― jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 27 October 2003 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I really enjoyed Pret a Porter, and loved Bitter Moon. Is there something wrong with me?

― Andrew (enneff), Monday, 27 October 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

yes on one and no on two

― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 27 October 2003 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Buckaroo "Slutsky" Banzai

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 October 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

my picture is peckinpah's timeless "Convoy"

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 27 October 2003 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I think this thread is seriously crack-addled. Alien, Short Cuts, 1900, Twin Peaks, Bitter Moon, (the wrap-around on the ship anyway), The Hudsucker Proxy: all high points in film history. Then again, I think Showgirls is the best Hollywood film of the Nineties and that Jack is pretty interesting when you understand the context in which it was made (ie. the death of Copolla's son). It's probably the only personal work Copolla has done since One From the Heart.

Also, Ridley Scott-wise -- The Duelists is wonderful and nuts. The guy hit home runs his first three times at the plate. What the fuck happened? I love the cinematography in Black Rain, though. It needs to be seen on a big screen.

That's probably an issue with a lot of these choices. I mean, how can you watch 1900 on video? Movies that are meant to be watched as movies often seem long and draggy when viewed on a t.v. T.V. turns Todd Solondz into a genius and Tarkovsky to shit.

― musicmope (musicmope), Sunday, 9 November 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

T.V. turns Todd Solondz into a genius

Would that that were true...

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 9 November 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

im a raymond carver fan and i had read most of his collections by the time i came to watch Short Cuts, and thought it was really good. it brought out a side to Carver's writing that was very enlightening.

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Sunday, 9 November 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i have to disagree bob. i think that altman takes the bare bones of the carver stories (and they are very fagile things) and weaves them together in order to make some kind of overarching statement and i don't think he just lets them "be" ( what they are). Their particular resonances come from minor details not from how they can all commect together to form some kind of typically almaneque "tapestry" ...Also carver's stories take their weight from the social and economic circumstances of the characters - i haven't seen the film for a long time but from what i can remember the characters in the film (other than the tom waits and lily tomlin characters) exist on a higher economic and social plane the carver's characters - i mean carver would never wite about characters who live in the hollywood hills, as julianne moore and matthew modine's do in the movie, im sure theres lives can be just as bogged down in small details but it's not really the same thing to my mind. I think the stories are ABOUT how people on poorer incomes and in blue collar jobs can feel trapped within their circumstances to the extent that a minor event can take on a particular intensity.

― jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

1900 is vile and boring shite. Maybe the worst film ever made.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Man there are a LOT worse movies to choose from:

Altman: Ready To Wear
Wenders: a tie between Million Dollar Hotel and The End Of Violence
Wilder: Buddy Buddy
Raimi: The Quick And The Dead
De Palma: (assuming you consider him to be a good director) Mission To Mars, Bonfire Of The Vanities
Carpenter: Memoirs of an Invisible Man
Ridley Scott: 1492: Conquest of Paradise

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I think 'End of violence' edges out 'Hotel'. It is visually pleasing, has a pretty good soundtracks, has some good shots of L.A. and.. err, that's it..

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 11:01 (twenty-two years ago)

John Carpenter sadly has about 10 million that could appear on that list

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

De Palma: (assuming you consider him to be a good director) Mission To Mars, Bonfire Of The Vanities

1) I'm not interested in hearing much about De Palma from anyone who doesn't consider De Palma a good director; and 2) the De Palma "auteurists" are far more likely to dog on The Untouchables, Wise Guys, and Mission: Impossible (though I rather like the last one). Mission to Mars was sort of a warm-up for the rebirth that was Femme Fatale.

I'm not quite as massive a Carpenter disciple as I am of De Palma, but I would have to disagree with you s1utsky and suggest that there are only 2 million that could appear on this list. I managed to miss most of them. The only one that I was underwhelmed by (even though I still found lots to like) was Vampires.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't enjoy Hitchcock's Topaz at all.

― Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i havent seen the million $ hotel but i can't believe it's worse than "Faraway, so close" !

― jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

the fallacy there is the idea that wim wenders is a good director

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

s1utsky you are wrong

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

two words: Paris, texas.

― jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

he's more of a "bad director, some good films" type in my opinion--at least he is NOW (actually I have a bit of a problem with the term "good director")

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

cuz it implies that a "good director" is a constant quality

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i forgot hannibal on my ridley list! (i will confess to being on crack throughout late october btw – it was wild)

wenders is ok when he isn't trying to pave over his inner namby-pamby – WE CAN STILL SEE YOU you twee little weirdo. his version of america is pretty dimwitted and his "fascination" with it even more so

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Illegally Yours -- Peter Bogdanovich

― Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

that's a good example of what I was talking about--could you in good faith call peter b. a good director?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Targets, The Last Picture Show, What's Up Doc, Paper Moon, Nickelodeon, Saint Jack -- that's enough for him to be considered good by my standards. Whether or not he's consistent is another matter.

― Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

his version of america is pretty dimwitted and his "fascination" with it even more so

This is an excellent point. I still want to buy "Written In The West", thoug.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

That other thread has reminded me...Tim Burton - Planet of the Apes.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

s1utsky, Ninth Gate is just awful.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

After finally seeing Intolerable Cruelty in it's entirety, I had this thought weighing on my mind: "These are still those same dudes who did Raising Arizona, right? Lebowski? Hudsucker Proxy!?! Or have their bodies been taken over by money-hungry alien chimpanzees?"

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

what are you talking about, I love the 9th gate! "BORIS BALKAN I KNEW YOU WERE BEHIND THIS!"

andy I guess my point with peter b. was "what have you done for me lately?" which is unfair, sure, but if a director's made mostly bad movies over the last 20 years or so does he still count as a good director?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I still love Prince!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

but is he a good director?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

if a director's made mostly bad movies over the last 20 years or so does he still count as a good director?

I kind of think the answer to this is "yes" and "no" at the same time. If said director ever purported to make "good" movies, then they probably get our attention because of what they used to be, and what we know they are capable of?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

That made no sense whatsoever, did it?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess I'm saying that by the same rationale, should a director whose past work is a bit patchy suddenly be considered "good"? I'm thinking of someone like Curtis Hanson, who is clearly very talented, but has gone from making occasionally dull genre films to something like LA Confidential (which rates highly in my personal opinion), and then made 8 Mile (????).

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever my feelings about 8 Mile, I think Hanson is "technically" one of the best Hollywood directors working, for what it's worth, but is that enough for him to be "good"?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

that's the thing. (though in my case I thought LA Confidential was terrible, and I really enjoyed 8 Mile in a modern-day-west-side-story kinda way)

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

the "thing" is is there a point in using the term "good director"?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

no! :)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

(that DVD player just arrived in the last few minutes, I have to go!)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

thw more i think about it the more i think your right about wenders s1utsky. the same applies to altman and, especially, polanski.

― jed (jed_e_3), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

thing is with altman is he can still pull that rabbit out of the hat; but then he always follows his good stuff with at least one real stinker (haven't seen the upcoming neve campbell dance movie he did but yeeeeeee does it look awful)

polanski I will defend to the death!

but thank you for agreeing with me in principle!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:56 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

I didn't like the two LOTR films that I saw--I & III--at all. And yet, this still doesn't explain why I seem to be so mad at Peter Jackson.

― EComplex (EComplex), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

ready to wear!

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

every odd-numbered altman film!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I hated The Lovely Bones. Lynne Ramsay was originally supposed to direct it!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

(I'm not sure whether I'm happy that she won't sully her career with that adaptation, or whether I'm disappointed that I won't get to see what she might've done with it.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

bitter moon is awesome btw

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

so is 'popeye'!

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked Cookie's Fortune okay.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

'mcabe & mrs miller' is a good film too.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

In the Cut, of which I only saw 5 minutes and not even Ruffalo can save it. I like Ninth Gate too adam! But then again I liked the book.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

the wings of eagles

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i like the 9th gate too!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

ready to wear is better than dr. t and the women. some compliment, but it's true.

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Sidney Lumet - I guess the easy one would be "A Stranger Among Us".

― Pangolino again, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Kagemusha is hardly the worst movie I've seen, but for a Kurosawa film (and a Golden Palm winner) it certainly is mediocre. Too much flash at the cost of content.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

There are several Kurosawa films worse than Kagemusha -- eg, his last one.

Godard - In Praise of Love
Fassbinder - Querelle
Otto Preminger - Skidoo
Woody Allen - Celebrity
Chaplin - Limelight

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought "In the cut" was excellent.

2046 is the newest contender for worst film ever made by a respected film maker.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmmmm....who is in "In The Cut Again"?

Did I say something about Ninth Gate upthread, then? I saw it (dubbed) in Bologna, so I don't think I had any idea what was going on. It looked silly.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet '2046' is great.

robert altman sux (exc. 'popeye') (and only cs it's cinema's 'mario 2').

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Jane Campion made "In the Cut". polanski's made som many bad movies i dunno if he even counts anymore.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

9th gate was very silly! but awesome! frank langella plays a nasty character named "boris balkan!"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

jed you are insane

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

RUFFALO STEAK

xp yes, and he turns into SATAN at the end or something?

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I like a good Euro thriller, though. Even if mythical beasts are involved. I enjoyed The Good Thief well enough.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

jed is a bit mental, though I'm not big on Polanski sorry

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

when you go see 2046 take eggs.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

No, Emmanuelle whatsherface who's married to Polanski turns into a demon and has wild beast revelation sex with Johnny Depp.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I have never seen one wong kar-wai film.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

see one wong kar-wai film?

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

cozen is a bit of a meshuggenah as well, but never mind

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah? well you are fikokta!

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

In the Cut is pretty good. the ending is kind of obvious and there are plot-related things about it that I don't care for but moodwise I thought it was pretty amazing.

Why isn't Ramsey doing the Lovely Bones now? I neither hated nor loved the book, I thought it was okay, but I think that Jackson will make a much more entertaining film, if Heavenly Creatures is anything to go by.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

fikokta is yiddish for lame!

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.spellingcenter.com/fikokta

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I stopped reading this thread when some asshole said The Big Lebowski.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

PF told me a thing or two about wong kar-wai and his dad.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

the big lebowski really isn't that good, you know

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i think it sucks but theyve made 2 bigger stinkers since the thread was started.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Barry Lyndon gets my vote although there are a million Altman films which qualify (Long Goodbye, Ready to Wear, blech.) Whoever said Celebrity was dead fucking on, although Interiors is also nearly unwatchable IMO.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, I SERIOUSLY don't think we can be friends anymore!

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like barry lyndon.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Go back to your yakuza movies and I'll take The Long Goodbye so that you never have to watch it again!

xp
I like Barry Lyndon but I haven't seen it since I was about 17.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The Long Goodbye is so by far the WORST adaptation of a Chandler novel (as well as being one of the worst performances by one of my least favorite actors ever.) Even the worst Kinji Fukasaku movie is better than that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Jim Bouton is in The Long Goodbye, but his performance only makes me wish I was reading Ball Four instead of watching him act.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I just got out California Suite!
Hopefully I wont have to list it here.

― Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

the big lebowski really isn't that good, you know

i disagree emphatically.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I of course meant California Split, which I'm looking forward to immensely, as The Long Goodbye is THE BEST MOVIE EVER MADE.

(Well, close to. I even like the blowhard Hemingway guy.)

― Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Big Lebowski = The Coen's Rocky Horror?

― Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Even Big Lebowski were terrible (and it's not, it's just kind of average) I fail to see how it could possibly top the monumental suckitude of The Hudsucker Proxy which is nearly unwatchably bad.

You Altman fans much have a far far higher tolerance for Eliot Gould's schtick than I do.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I also love the Hudsucker Proxy.

The subject of bad coen films begins and ends with Intolerable Cruelty and The Ladykillers, although I could MAYBE see The Man Who Wasn't There, just because it's awfully slow and beslaved to its source material in a way that none of their previous films were.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I forgot about The Ladykillers. It's really bad too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The Man Who Wasn't There is one of their best films?!?!? WTF?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I will not tolerate the trashing of Elliot Gould!

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, you are just totally out of line.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I realise the punctuation on there is confusing, but it IS one of their best films (probably better than anything since Miller's Crossing.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Totally. Out. Of. Line.

― Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I like The Hudsucker Proxy too, but I kind of agree with like, some (a couple of words maybe) of your last statement.

xp hi chuck

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Elliot Gould had ONE, count 'em ONE, good performance in him as Trapper Jon in M.A.S.H.. His painful and ridiculous reenactment of that role for the next dozen years was nothing short of embarrassing. George Segal is almost as bad, but he was in a few slightly better movies whereas Gould was only in relentless dross.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I realise the punctuation on there is confusing, but it IS one of their best films (probably better than anything since Miller's Crossing.)

I liked it, but I can understand an argument against it, whereas I can't even fathom thinking that anything other than those three are the worst coen films.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The only alarming thing is that as bad as I consider both of them California Split is STILL slightly better than The Lood Goodbye which I wouldn't try to force my worst enemy to watch.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

You can't understand why people think Hudsucker Proxy is terrible? That makes no sense to me as I know hardly anyone who doesn't dislike the film and they almost all give the exact same reasons (IT WASN'T FUNNY) for being bored out of their skulls while watching it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I AM now your worst enemy and I will gladly watch it many times over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Hudsucker was...whimsical.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha I will buy you a copy for your birthday then.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I need it (Long Goodbye) on DVD, actually. My birthday is in May.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I bought adam Miller's Crossing once. Point to me!

― Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

You did. I miss that tape.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I just read a reference to Miller's Crossing in Y The Last Man this morning. What a coincidence.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

And Elliot Gould was in a sitcom with a monkey...

― Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

You can't understand why people think Hudsucker Proxy is terrible? That makes no sense to me as I know hardly anyone who doesn't dislike the film and they almost all give the exact same reasons (IT WASN'T FUNNY) for being bored out of their skulls while watching it.

And everyone I know either loves it or likes it somewhat.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Barry Lyndon and The Long Goodbye are both masterworks. My candidate for Kubrick is The Shining.

Of all the universally crap movies the Coens made BETWEEN Raising Arizona and The Man Who Wasn't There, Hudsucker is the least crap. (Robbins with the wastebasket on his foot made me howl.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Of all the universally crap movies the Coens made BETWEEN Raising Arizona and The Man Who Wasn't There

Boo!

Hudsucker is the least crap.

Yay! (though I disagree)

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

My least favorite Kubrick is so easily and unequivocably Eyes Wide Shut, and his masterpiece is, in my opinion, Paths of Glory.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Ryan O'Neal vs. Tom Cruise! I would still take Tom Cruise. Eyes Wide Shut is pretty bad though, but Barry Lyndon is still more boring to me somehow.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom Cruise.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Paths of Glory isn't as good as I want it to be. It's far too didactic in its portrayal of good/bad and anti-war stance. I prefer Full Metal Jacket's ambiguity. But the singing German girl at the end still makes me cry.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Full Metal Jacket is the best ever Vietnam movie shot in East London.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

The second half of Full Metal Jacket feature maybe the most unrealistic sets this side of Plan 9 From Outer Space. I still think it is amazing though. The book by some crazy Norwegian named guy is even better IIRC though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

It's odd that people say that about FMJ - I always see comments from people who were there (Hue, '68 no?) saying it's remarkably true to life.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Paths of Glory is amazing although I am beginning to think that The Thin Red Line was even better now. Either way probably the two best fictional war movies I've ever seen.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"It's odd that people say that about FMJ - I always see comments from people who were there (Hue, '68 no?) saying it's remarkably true to life."

Strange, I've heard the except opposite (esp. as it seems to captures none of the heat of Vietnam--it's like the driest looking Southeast Asian film ever.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

exact

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

FMJ - It's London's glamorous Docklands!!!

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Finally we agree re:The Thin Red Line!

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that's kind of the point, Alex in SF - it's a colonial city, not the jungle, and it's not the hopped-up Heart of Darkness version of Vietnam that most movies portray (banality of war, etc.). I've never seen anyone say exactly what's unrealistic about the depiction of Vietnam that isn't grounded in what we're supposed to think Vietnam was a generation or two removed.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I had a professor in school who taught a class on Vietnam War films and he liked Full Metal Jacket, but he was always really bothered by the portrayal of Tet/Hue massacres (which were apparently largely fictionalized and the numbers of dead incredibly overstated.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha hey you don't have to convince me that Full Metal Jacket is a better movie than Apocalypse Now!. All I's just saying what folks have told me. I weren't there either ya know.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The Long Goodbye and The Big Lebowski??!!! You people are either fucking crazy, have no sense of humor, or just hate LA. Those are Altman's and Coen Bros' greatest moments. I don't get the Nashville love though. I find that movie pretty unwatchable. And while Intolerable Cruelty and Ladykillers are both pretty weak, The Man Who Wasn't There is probably the low point.

Let me just quote this so I can read it again...
The Long Goodbye is so by far the WORST adaptation of a Chandler novel

Wow, talk about missing the point.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 20 January 2005 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"The director's cut of Blade Runner is the only one from IMDB's filmograpghy I'll stand by (ok, MAYBE Alien). "

FUCK YOU MAN ALIEN KICKS YOUR ASS LIKE A GALLAGHER KILLS WATER EMLONS YOU ARE A BASTARD PEOPLE

― latebloomer, tru xenomorph soldier 4 life (latebloomer), Thursday, 20 January 2005 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The only Chandler novel I've read is The Big Sleep, and it seemed unmistakably the work of a hateful prick. Hawks improved it for film.

>Ryan O'Neal vs. Tom Cruise! I would still take Tom Cruise

But the point is that Redmond Barry is a fortunate buffoon, and Dr Bill is a confused, voyeuristic pantywaist. It's called typecasting!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Still the worst thread ever.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

la takedown, anyone

― :| (....), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

We said "good" directors.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 January 2005 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha cruel but true.

"The only Chandler novel I've read is The Big Sleep, and it seemed unmistakably the work of a hateful prick. Hawks improved it for film."

I can see liking The Long Goodbye if you hate Chandler (also if you like boring pointless meandering pieces of pseudo intellectual tripe, but apparently I am just "missing the point" so feel free to ignore me.) I also hate Alan Rudoplph with a passion btw so maybe it IS just a deep seeded hatred of LA at work, but I doubt it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

are there any bad billy wilder movies? gentlemen prefer blondes is pretty shitty howard hawks.

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

It's okay Alex, I know you're not feeling well today.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 January 2005 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

How long 'til Slutsky steps to the Mann-haters?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 21 January 2005 05:42 (twenty-one years ago)

what where who!?!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

and yeah, there are definitely bad billy wilder movies!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I can see liking The Long Goodbye if you hate Chandler

What about enjoying Chandler and also enjoying Altman taking the piss out of Chandler? I suppose I can see hating the Long Goodbye if you're looking for some kind of "faithful interpretation" of Chandler but wasn't that already done to death in the '40s?

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)

errrrrr....Coffee and Cigarettes?

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)

there are no good directors, only good movies

― chew on that muthafuckahs (slutsky), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

There is no Bono, only Larry.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 21 January 2005 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

jesus 'coffee and cigarettes'!

what asshole said 'dune'?

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 21 January 2005 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

>are there any bad billy wilder movies?

Oh, man! The Front Page!

Buddy Buddy too, tho i don't recall if I actually saw it. I like Fedora and Avanti!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

love in the mother-lovin' afternoon

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 21 January 2005 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"What about enjoying Chandler and also enjoying Altman taking the piss out of Chandler?"

I think Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid does a better job of this than The Long Goodbye frankly.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 21 January 2005 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

errrrrr....Coffee and Cigarettes?

No way. Ghost Dog.

what asshole said 'dune'?

Yeah, more like Wild at Heart. Oh wait, someone already mentioned it but it bears repeating.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 21 January 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Wild At Heart is great.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 January 2005 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

jesus 'coffee and cigarettes'!

What??? Are you going to rep for Coffee and Cigarettes now??? With a straight face??? Oh wait...it's YOU.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 January 2005 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Ghost Dog?!?! Haha this is a joke, right.

I like Wild At Heart more than I like the Twin Peaks movie, but it's not as incredible as I was hoping it would be.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 21 January 2005 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

ghost dog is a dog

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 21 January 2005 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

it's HALF a dog.

― .ada.m. (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 January 2005 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a bird dog.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I need to watch Wild at Heart again. I actually enjoyed Ghost Dog but my girlfriend hated it so vehemently that she brainwashed me into thinking it sucked. But yeah this whole thread is a joke. What you like sucks. No, what you like sucks. Etc. ad infinitum.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

bad billy wilder - Ace in the Hole, One Two Three

― ade (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

The Apartment haha.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, that's one of the few I actually like. young shirley maclaine, Fred macmurray playing what basically amounts to SATAN, and king vidor = yay!!!

― ade (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I sense that "One, Two, Three" is actually a rather cunning film; I at least liked it when I saw it 3/4 years ago. If nothing else, it is an examination of Cagney's changes in screen persona... and I don't know how literally one ought to take the political message.

David Lynch - "Wild at Heart". Quite emphatically so, for me. His style becomes something of a cliche here, only fully to be re-established with "Mulholland Dr.", although parts of "Lost Highway" are great, and I do like his S2 "Twin Peaks" episodes.

But there's nothing really worthwhile to hold onto in WAH; a crying shame that he chose to go off and work on that instead of sticking with "Twin Peaks" more closely after the first series...

― Tom May (Tom May), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Wild At Heart is a great novel, but for some reason the manic energy of it gets replaced in the movie by sort of typical Lynch weirdness (which is fine if you like Lynch--and I do--but it does sort of destroy a lot of what made the book great in the first place.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a better adaptation than The Long Goodbye though and that's all that matters haha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

wild at heart is great!! i dare any of you to dispute the sherilyn fenn car crash scene!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 22 January 2005 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"wild at heart" is the Lynch lowpoint definately.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 22 January 2005 02:52 (twenty-one years ago)

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