Halloween: The Institute Of Spookological Research!

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What are YOU doing this Halloween?

The Spookological Institute needs to know!

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 09:40 (twenty-two years ago)

HSA and I were going to do Drinks Trick Or Treating, but now he has scored INVITES TO THE LOUIS WAIN OPENING!!! WOOO!!!

Spooky, crazy, non-twee, totally terrifying, schitzophrenic CAT PAINTINGS! Hooray!

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to a party on halloween & it's fancy dress, which would be great apart from the fact that you have to dress up in anything you can buy in a charity shop for less than a fiver. I'd rather have gone as a vampire to be honest! :-(

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Pink, you can get vampire clothes for under £5! In fact, I could put together a pretty decent vampire costume just from what's in my closet, or by ringing my ex goth friends!

I am going to start a Foundling Hospital for my unloved threads, possibly in Coram Fields...

I like the idea of an Institute For Spookalogical Research. It would have to be on an island. Somewhere where they have spooky mists rolling in off the sea. And everyone would have doctorates in improbable things like Theology and Parapsychology and Dead Languages (though not Latin, which is just the rockist dead language) and we would all study spooky events. And possibly go around in a big van debunking EVP.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Not in Cambridge charity shops you cant!! *sigh* I jst wanna be a vampire. *cries*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

How to be a Vampire, for cheap:

Black Cloak! Urgent and Key. Now, in days past, Undergrads in Cambridge had to swan around in black gowns. Surely you must be able to locate one of these still! With a little modification, the standard Oxbridge gown becomes a FABULOUS cape. With a little talcum powder on the face for pallor and some artfully applied lipstick for blood, you have a cheap and effective vampire costume!

(My father's university Gown served me so well during so many Halloweens when I was a wee dot...)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

what about if i cheat & say it was purchased from a charity shop? I mean I donate to charity on a regular basis anyway!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Does it *have* to be from a charity shop? Or can it just come from your own wardrobe and donate £5 to charity or something?

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

If we don't wear something from a charity shop we can just donate instead. I'm prob gonna do that so we can get spooked up!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I am debating wearing a costume to work. Though I'd feel like an idiot if I was the only one. However, knowing this office, probably no one would notice.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

It's probably the worst time of year to get a gown from a charity shop. All the freshers will have scoured them after baulking at paying 30 quid for a new one.

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Only £30? Spoiled rotters! I thought it would be more like £300!

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Bluddy stewdants!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

The Institute for Spookalogical Research must take a firm stand on the Most Haunted show, mainly 'cause it's shite. But it can't be stuffy like the Watchers Council and wear only tweed. And it should be more intimate than the Talamasca.

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Tweed? Nah, we're more up to date than that. We are all about corduroy and turtlenecks. Hence the driving around in a van and debunking EVP bit!

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

You're not going to drive around in a van and solve mysteries, though, right?

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Not at all!

(And they would have got away with it if it wasn't for those meddling Sound Artists!)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Count me in. I can wear turtlenecks and spend my time in dusty libraries looking up superstitions, folklore, and myth and making modern-day applications. It'll be the MYTH LAB. And maybe a little conjuring but no ridiculous prophecies.

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and Cat! Have you rented Revelations yet? Because then you will understand ALL about the Institute of Spookological Research! (PLus, also, the hottness of James D-arcy.)

(Oh yes, and reminder. Spivey Goodness at 7.30 tonight on C5. Set yer VCR!)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I have not yet rented Revelations. Is on my weekend list. Am interested in hotness of James Darcy. NOT interested in James and D'arcy. eyew.
Horny Historian tonight? Schweeeeet. "Punk Rock Killed This Girl: The Series" was on again last night, as well -- Grissom was suspended and went all Lone Wolf and found the Signature Strangler despite warnings from uppity FBI agents also working on the case.

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes! I saw it, too! It was excellent. I said at the beginning "that security guard is all creepy and shit. Why is he the only person to come forward and offer help? I bet he did it" so I felt very vindicated at the end.

Taking sides: The red-headed shouty guy vs. the weird, socially retarted glasses guy? I like the weird socially retarted glasses guy cause he totally pulled the goth chick dominatrix saucy lady!

(Watch for many moving, sensitive shots of NStheHH looking all moody and sensitive and tasteful while strolling around Belsen in a bomber jacket. This will happen!)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

(Curse those Uppity FBI agents always getting in the way!)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

That better be brown turtlenecks & cords Kate!

What about those sixth sense progs of living tv?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Spookological Research, I like it...They larfed at me in work when I told them we visit the 'Spooky Church' sometimes, I've been calling it that so long I forgot it's actually the Spiritualist Church!

smee (smee), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

HSA was telling me that if I wanted to do *real* spookological research, I should go to the Parapsychology Department of Edinburgh University. Heh. Those mad Scots!

What do they actually do in Spiritualist churches? Do they really talk to the dead? Do they use EVP, cause if they do, then HSA is coming to debunk them.

(It is really hard for me to type Spiritualist, it always comes out Spiritualized.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

It's kinda cool, you should find out where your nearest one is and pop along. It's just like going to a church service, with a sermon type thing and hymns and everything but then in the middle they tell you messages from dead folk - must be experienced at least once in a lifetime. They welcome visitors and it's free (well you can contribute to the plate they pass round if you wanna)

smee (smee), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

It sounds really interesting, as an experience. (Though HSA rants on and on both about how evil organised religion is, and how terribly exploitative spiritualism and "communication with the dead" is.) Maybe I can persuade HSA to go to one, but only if I can get him to shut up and be respectful cause we are deep under cover and he will blow our investigation if he starts arguing with people.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I took my totally sceptic bloke along and he was convinced - but then it was a particularly good medium that night and she was giving names and dates and being very specific. Other times you can go along and it's all very vague and unconvincing (you know "I see a red car and a man named Jim..."). I think the fact that's it's free (so no obligation to perform) and they've no idea who could turn up (therefore no time for background research etc)is what made me go and have a look.

smee (smee), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd definitely be interested in this even though it goes against my catholic grain. I am always in awe of this kind of thing, but I would be so scared of what might be said.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

HSA has made me watch loads of programmes and read lots of books debunking mediums (media?) and talking about how they do it, about how it is the art of reading people, more than anything else.

But then again, HSA has written several articles for scientific journals debunking EVP, and is in the process of pitching it as a book, so he has his bias. Mainly because lots of people within the soundart/experimental music scene were getting very into EVP. Hence the interest in auditory illusions and hallucinations.

EVP tapes are occasionally genuinely frightening and spooky, but really, the scientific explanations are much more sensible, and the involvement of the Catholic Church makes it all quite spurious.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

this book = pretty good

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Witches, spookological research AND WWII? I need that!

(That said, British Intellegence did use stage magicians to help with disinformation and camoflague tactics during WWII, so it's not that unlikely...)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

PinkP, yet again you prove why we are ILX twins!
I was absolutley terrified I'd get a message the first time I went but they are very nice and lovely and you can just shake your head if the medium makes eye contact with you and they don't bother you, honest.

smee (smee), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I would be interested in going, and seeing if they did "pick me" for the simple reason that no one particularly close to me has died, so I can't imagine "who" would be trying to contact me.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I've had zero energy lately, so at best I will probably go see Alien at the theatre. No big Halloween parties for me this year!

Nicolars (Nicole), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey ilx twin! I would want her to speak to me, but i would be so scared. I sometimes lie awake already thinking that dead relatives might choose that particular night to visit me, but then i reason that they'd know i was too scared & wouldn't like it. god i sounds really stupid, i just cant help it.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Ohmygod PinkP you scare me! Stop stealing my thoughts! Stop it stop it stop it!!!!

smee (smee), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't. *cries*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Awww, don't cry - we can share them....

smee (smee), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm going to two fancy-dress parties. and need a costume. any sugegstions?

colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Cool! So you get that too huh? I feel so stupid! Sometimes I have to wake james up & he just had to cuddle me til i go back to sleep, as cheesy as that sounds! But i do genuinely get so scared that i cannot sleep.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

there was a costume thread, but i dont know how to link, sorry!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

My mom is obsessed with spirituality. Lately she's been talking alot about dead people trying to contact the living. My sister said, in exasperation, "Mom, You better not come to my house and break stuff all the time after you're dead just to prove you're still around!" And my mom was like, "Hmm... That's a good idea actually..."

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

gulp!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate, I will so go undercover with you to the spooky talk with the dead church. and I'll not wear my orange turtleneck sweater/orange knee socks/brown pleat skirt, either, since it's *undercover*.

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, I am sooo in on this!! Smee?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but we got to make sure that HSA leaves the DOG at home!

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

If my dad came back from the dead he'd just commandeer the remote control and it'd be nothing but Men and Motors all day and all night.


And he'd probably open all my coke bottles *just enough* to make them go flat 'cause he's evil like that.

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I can just imagine my grandparents coming back from the dead to say "ha ha, there's MATHS in the afterlife! We're proving SCIENCE wrong! Maths wins over science again!"

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Can you communicate with dead pets?

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I would like to say hi to my old dog, so I dont see why not!
I would love to speak to my granparents again, but when I say, certainly not an unpromted visit!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Talking with old pets would be cool. Maybe they've reached a higher level of conciousness and can communicate with humans on our level instead of, you know, going through the trash or tearing up shoes or whatever the hell it was my cat did two weeks ago with a bog roll and her litterbox....

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm, I like the idea of heaven being filled with spotty dogs.

(What with dalmations being proof of the existence of god, etc.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Pink - yes, I used to get those thoughts about dead relatives too but then I went to the Spooky Church and they explained it all in a nice happy way and now I is not afeared anymore, honest

Nooooo! That means if we murder the irritating little yappy dog next door it will haunt us in the afterlife....noooooooo!

smee (smee), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Smee, I would appreciate a similar explanation if you could spare some time to put it in an email?!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Pink, if I ever get this feckin' powerpoint presentation done I shall try to send you an email - but it sounds a lot better when I nice wee old lady in a cardy tells you....

smee (smee), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but I don't have that luxury at the moment! :-( When you get a chance smee, i would be very grateful.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

where is this spooky church, anyway? I'm curious now. I want to go and see if any dead relatives want to tell me how disappointed they are in me.

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

God, we should change the name of this thread to "Recovering Catholics Anonymous"

;-)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Catholics... the closest you can get to being pagan but still be Christian.

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(I was kidding, hence the smiley face - plus Catty and I tease each other about religion all the time.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Hence why we're talking about all things Spookalogical!

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just scared of the dead ppl. :-(

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

How about Holy Relicks? How do we feel about those? Can we talk about the Mysterious Properties Of Holy Reliquaries? Where do they have good relicks in this town? In NYC they were all locked up tight in The Cloisters.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

(Because this is what Revelations is all about. Oh, that and the Knights Templar/Spooky Freemason Bad Guys)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm... This might be fun around Halloween, but I don't know. I think I've just gotten my fill of that sort from visiting my mom's "spiritual mind centers." One time I went to this drum circle to meet my power animal, but it totally hid behind a tree. I guess my power animal is timid. Blah.

I really don't care too much for my relatives that died. What a bastard I am! They were just cold, um, before they died, and seemed a bit unfeeling. So, I would prefer to see my first cat, CoCoa. He was so sweet that my dad and uncles teased him and said he was gay.

Sarah Mclusky (coco), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, that is the gayest cat I've ever seen!

(Perhaps yer gay cat *was* yer power animal?)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

(Sorry, I am feeling quite silly today, I don't mean to be offensive if I'm taking the piss.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

so is it safe to come back then?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

If your dead relatives were cold and unfeeling they probably wouldn't respond to your afterlife pages. Which is ok.


Is a power animal the same as a spirit animal? Mine's a spider. I figured that out all by myself and didn't need any naked saggy-titted new agers squatting over a fire to tell me so. Yay me.

Dead Relatives is the new name of my band.


Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Hämähäkki! That is Finnish for spider and it is the coolest word ever!

(OK, maybe not as cool as the Latin word for face-fucker, but still. IRUMATOR!!!)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Face fucker is cool in any language.
enculage = butt sex in French

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

For the record, I was not naked at this drum circle (nor were other people, but some were smiling like they were *shudder*).

I wish my old cat was my power animal.

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe you could have a chat with your cat and perhaps negotiate a switch.
Or you could just have your cat be your familiar.

Catty (Catty), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, what AM I doing? Er. I need to call around. Might be hanging out with friends and their kids.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to a Halloween party, but it's on Saturday night. So I suppose I'll hunker down on Halloween night and turn off the lights so no kids try to take my candy, the bastards.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I have a Louis Wain cat as a familiar? I think I'd like a psychedelic lion following me around!

kate (kate), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Any cat would do me!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey baby what's up...wanna play with my moonshadow.
http://home.clara.net/digger/sixties/cats.jpg

Cat S. (Chris V), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Here is a question for you.
When a dead body needs to be transported, but there isn't going to be a funeral or a wake, do they still use a hearse? Or do they just throw it in a van? Does it need to be a special kind of van?

Um, no reason... (*twiddling thumbs*)

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Erm, I think they have special kinds of vans for that at the Coroner's office. Because there are all kinds of laws about the transportation of dead bodies, like you're not allowed to take them across state lines without a permit or you're committing a crime, regardless of whether you cause the death of the cad-AAAAAAH-ver or not.

kate (kate), Thursday, 30 October 2003 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

They are called private ambulances. I really never realised that's what they were until I was told recently.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Unless you work for British Intelligence, in which case you can just nick a cad-AAAAAAAAAAAAAH-ver from a hospital, stick in the back of any old car and drive it up to Scotland at your convenience (read: in a the middle of the night during a blackout).

kate (kate), Thursday, 30 October 2003 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I may go to Jim Thorpe, PA on Fri. with Charlton Lido and look at pumpkins and get the small-town autumnal Gilmore Girls feel. That night we will hopefully stay at home and watch movies. The next day we may take a ferry up the Hudson to Sleepy Hollow and hopefully can hang out in the Sleepy Hollow cemetery.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 30 October 2003 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to get a pumpkin to carve to take to the party tomorrow. Oh & make pumpkin pie.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 09:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry PinkP, not had a chance to email ya but I found this about them Spooky Folks and thought it might interest some of you...

"Spiritualism is a rational religion based on the proven knowledge that man's spirit survives physical death. This has led to a philosophical and scientific approach new to traditional religious faith.

Spiritualist philosophy contains neither dogma nor creed and it is discussed rather than preached. There is an increasing tendency in these times to think and act collectively and Spiritualism is a religion matching this trend.

It is a Religion of Reason for all those who see this as an Age of Reason.

At some time in their lives all men ask themselves the question "What happens to me when I die?"

Spiritualism claims to give the definite answer to this question.

It affirms that man's spirit survives physical death and enters a Spirit world which surrounds and interpenetrates our material life. It asserts that the truth of this statement can be demonstrated under the right conditions when communication can and does take place between the worlds of spirit and earthly beings. This communication is only possible through individuals who have what are known as mediumistic abilities and who are known as mediums.

Spiritualists stress that the right conditions must prevail for communication to take place and that the prime condition is that there is a spirit person there willing to communicate. It is not generally understood that communication cannot take place unless the spirit are willing to do so. One of the greatest misapprehensions about Spiritualists is that they call up the dead. Nothing could be further from the truth; if anything, it is the other way round; ample evidence exists throughout history that if and when they are willing the spirit people call us.

Spiritualist mediumship takes two forms and is used depending upon which type of phenomena is being manifested, either physical or mental.

Physical phenomena is of such a nature that it is usually demonstrated only at private seances. Any person sitting with the medium can hear or see what is happening. By means of raps, audible voices or materialised figures the spirit people convey intimate information about themselves, their recollection of their earthly lives and details of their lives in the spirit world.

Mental phenomena is demonstrated through the mind of a medium and can be by clairvoyance (the medium sees the spirit); Clairaudience (the medium hears the spirit) or Clairsentience (the medium senses the presence and the thoughts of the spirit). Mental phenomena is the type most often demonstrated in public.

Teaching and philosophy have been communicated from time to time by advanced spirit beings. These have dealt with the purpose of life and the destiny of man based on the revelation that he survives earthly death and leads an active life in spirit dimensions. The realisation that man actively lives beyond the grave so profoundly alters the, conception of life that it has given rise to an entirely new religious outlook, which is diametrically opposed to many of the fundamental ideas of traditional religion, and is known as Spiritualism.

What is known as Modern Spiritualism began in 1848 when sensational happenings in Hydesville led to rapid developments throughout America, eventually reaching Europe including Britain.

Nowadays, the largest Spiritualist organisation is the Spiritualists' National Union based in the UK, and it is recognised by H. M. Government as the legally established religious body for Spiritualism. Originally intended to work only in Britain, lately it has been receiving more and more affiliations from overseas and is becoming somewhat more internationalist in its membership. It has an extensive education and training programme and its philosophy is based on the Seven Principles, which do not lay down rules but encourage people to discuss and think about their attitude to life.

Influenced by these Principles as well as its scientific and philosophical ramifications, for many people Spiritualism has become more than just a religion; it has become a Way of Life.

Kenneth Meynell DSNU
July 1998"

smee (smee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah and this too....

http://www.greevy.btinternet.co.uk/gas/gasframe.htm

Can I just mention that I'm an occasional intrigued visitor and I'm not trying to recruit you all to a big Spooky cult, m'kay?

smee (smee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Smee. I am definitely considering attending one of these services although i am still a bit scaredy!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone should go at least once in their lives. It's really not that Spooky, it's more quaint and charming - full of nice wee old ladies in cardies and talk of love and loved ones who have gone before ;0)

smee (smee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Did anything happen to you when you went?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, not to be a killjoy or anything here, but just a healthy sceptic (I would love to believe, honestly, I would, I just want my science to be GOOD science, to paraphrase Jason P) but the "events in Hydesville" they are referring to, would that by any chance be the Fox Sisters? Who later confessed/were disproved in that the mysterious rapping sounds were actually caused by the cracking of their toe knuckles?

(But then again, founders debunking never actually stopped any religion, after all, look at Scientology and Mary Baker Eddy among others...)

kate (kate), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Prolly Kate, I dunno, just found a website and pasted! (Note to self - read articles before posting)

PinkP I have a couple of messages but nothing that made me go "Wow, that really makes me believe!".

I'll admit the first time I went it was purely for entertainment value but then I got intrigued and went some more and now I have quite a lot of respect for them. They have their beliefs and it helps a lot of people grieve which to me isn't a bad thing. The fact that they welcome anyone, are totally non-pushy and don't try and get dosh out of you is prolly key to that though!

smee (smee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I am a sceptic to a certain extent in that I belive there are many charlatans in the business, but I am open to it definitely & from my experience of mediums I am pretty convinced. That said, i would be intrigued to see it for myself, about me as such.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, on the whole, the sort of bereavement councelling aspect of it do seem to be positive enough to me to overcome my scepticism about the movement's roots. Spiritualist *Churches* seem to be genuine and kind people who just want to help others. However, the association has just been too tainted in my mind by so-called psychics who A) take money and B) fake things when they are incapable of doing what is needed on demand.

I don't necessarily see organised religion as an evil (though HSA does, and hence many of our arguments) but he would say that even if they are not taking money, they are still exploiting the bereaved by getting them into religion. But what else does religion exist for, if not to comfort people about the unknowable things in life and death?

kate (kate), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

They don't try to recruit you though, that's the thing that I like, you can come when you want, if you want, no strings. You can just sit at the back and listen or you can join in, it's your choice and they don't preach at you or ask anything from you.

smee (smee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

So how do they survive?

Also, if I went & there was a message for me, would it only be from a relative of mine?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

costume ideas please help me.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I have long hair and am short.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

There is a costume thread!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

There's already a costume thread elsewhere. This thread has mutated into a discussion of parapsychology and Spiritualism.

kate (kate), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

ah fair enough I panicked.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I have revived it for you!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Ronana the Barbarian?


As far as I know it's donations,they are def not rich - their hall is always needing something done to it! They pass around a plate at the end of the service and you can give whatever you like. Some of the medums do like private sittings for cash but I don't think they take a cut of that or anything.

Pink - it depends, sometimes you get a really vivid description of this person who apparently wants to give you a message and you have no idea who it is so you tell them they got the wrong person, then you go home and somebody says "y'know, that sounds kinda like your Grans old neighbour/cousin/vague acquaintance"

smee (smee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

can you get a taping of it?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Cat Stevens looks kind of like Keanu in that pic.

Was anyone else forbidden to play with Ouiji boards growing up?

I understand why people would be able to trust someone who gave readings for free better than someone who charged an arm and a leg, but if these people really do have those powers, doesn't it make sense that they should be allowed to charge? Should everyone with a gift be forced to be so generous with it?

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course not, everyone has got to make a living I guess, so they should be free to charge.
Ppl always used to use Ouija boards at school, but i was always too afraid of what might happen. I thought the idea of it being a game was horrific!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

My parents played up the evilness of Ouija so much, that when I finally did play with one (at a sleepover of course) I took it really seriously. I was supposed to marry a redhead named Dennis and have two kids, a girl and a boy. I must say I was upset with those results.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Because if they charge, there is pressure on them to deliver, whether or not they are "feeling it" etc. or not - I'm sure that being "psychic" (if there is such a thing) is as changeable and unreliable as any other talent or gift. (Even the most talented athlete ever doesn't make a goal every time.)

If it is free, if it isn't happening, there's no bother. As soon as they start charging money, that is when I start to worry that they may be supplementing their "gifts" with other means to make sure it happens on demand, every time.

(OK, before you start thinking that I am saying that athletes shouldn't be paid - I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that when athletes are paid, there is a bigger temptation to succomb to artificial help such as steroids and drugs. Hence why there is drugs testing in professional sport! Except steroids may be easier to detect scientifically than "psychic phenomenon".)

kate (kate), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe they charge depending on the results.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate C'est Vrais. I guess they can't always be "on."

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate is OTM

Pink - I'm not sure if you can tape it, they're a nice bunch and dead easy going tho, so I don't see them objecting. You need to remember if you do go that's there's no guarantee that they'll even look at you nevermind give you a message, and sometimes it's a pants medium they have or it's just not a good night for speaking to dead folk....

smee (smee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah i have just thought of that. I guess that it's important to you so you just assume it will happen when you want it to.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, first couple of times I went I was desperate to get a message but when it came to it I was terrified they might actually speak to me!

smee (smee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I think i will be exactly the same. Desperately wanting it to be me, but hoping it wont be. If it was I can see myself in floods of tears!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Exactly! You do get kinda caught up in the atmosphere and it can be quite emotional just watching somebody else get a message.

smee (smee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

"dead easy going," smee? :)

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Chortle. I tried so hard to not give you pun-making opps too!

smee (smee), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw that, but thought I'd let it go!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.borealforest.org/world/mammals/russian_flying_squirrel.jpg
Boo!

I can't decide if I should dress up in costume for work tomorrow. It might be fun. I mean, when else can I get away with wearing something bizarre to work? But also, it's a casual day, so maybe I'd have more fun in my denim skirt. hmmm...

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 30 October 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd love to dress up for tomorrow. I'll just hide out with the candy, and gag my altruistic side. Kids are already overweight as tis

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 30 October 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I was so going to dress up in the office today, but then HSA said that since the opening we are going to tonight is in West London somewhere, that I might as well just go on from work. So I decided against it.

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Ahhh, boo to that idea.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I know, I'm no fun. Maybe I should have work really psychedelic clothes and dressed up as a LOUIS WAIN CAT!!!

http://www.schizophrenia.org/cat.jpg

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The one on the top right looks like it's had its eyes gouged out!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

And you know what a cat looks like with it's eyes gouged out?!

smee (smee), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:40 (twenty-two years ago)

d-d-doesn't everyone?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

It doesn't normally, it's a poor reproduction, though the eyes are very red and scary.

Thing is, people talking about Schitzophrenia often show that sequence to talk about how Louis Wain (and therefore schitzophrenics "deteriorate") but actually the paintings are really out of chronological sequence.

The best ones are actually the cartoons where he shows how cats are actually protection against Communists and Communist Waves in the atmosphere, because of their whiskers.

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Now back to the eye gouging ;-)

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

ten for today:

Siouxsie & The Banshees 'Peek-A-Boo'
Outkast 'Dracula's Wedding'
Was Not Was 'Out Come The Freaks'
Doc Scott 'The Unofficial Ghost' (DARKSTEP PRESSHHHA)
Zongamin 'Mummies'
Slacker 'Scared'
Rockwell 'Somebody's Watching Me'
Nicolette 'Nightmare'
Tricky 'Pumpkin'
Kernkraft 4000 'Zombie Nation'

stevem (blueski), Friday, 31 October 2003 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Wot, no Screaming Jay Hawkins or the Monster Mash? Boo!

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 10:11 (twenty-two years ago)

And where the hell is Ministry?!?!? mmm-bop-bop, mmmm-bop-bop!

Catty (Catty), Friday, 31 October 2003 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you singing Hanson again, Catty I've WARNED you about doing that in public!

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 10:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhh Hanson, it's so horrible!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh fie, I love the Rockist Bubblegum! (Besides, we all know it's Mr. Noodles' secret occupation. He only pretends to be a database programmer so we won't catch on.)

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

THe cat at bottom left is obviously an owl.

I'm kind of dressed up today, but not really. I just felt like wearing some weird stuff to work.

Navy blue nail polish was such fun in high school, but it's kind of a pain today. It makes the ends of my fingers feel tight and I have scraped blue paint on a couple of papers already. (Ok, maybe I'm going crazy...)

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

And the one bottom right is a dragon...

smee (smee), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

the thing about louis wain is that his paintings go from looking fairly normal- to what the hell? & then insane ! insane ! insane !

kephm, Friday, 31 October 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.collectors.demon.co.uk/StockPhotos/Postcards/Louiswain1.jpg

How could I not know about him?

Actually, I have this weird pic that Nick's parents found me at an estate sale - it's from a newspaper or magazine a long time ago. There are these kitties in a classroom being taught by another kitty and it looks quite a bit like these...

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to go see a live reenactment of Thriller tonight on Main St. The local dance troupe put on last year and it was awesome. Zombies! Dancing! Michael Jackson impersonation!

I will then go to a party and get sickdrunk on homemade wine.

Dale the Titled (cprek), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

But the best ones are the ones that are insane and normal looking at the same time! The cats that *look* normal, but are doing and saying totally mental things. It's strange, there are some that are fairly normal cats in front of really psychedelic Victorian wallpaper (though come to think of it, much of Victorian decoration was wonderfully mental) - yet the abstractions look a lot like the wallpaper.

I am really, really, really looking forward to the opening tonight. Though I'll probably have sugar crashed and burned by then... though there's always alcohol at openings to compensate.

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't the one I posted look incredibly suspicious? What is that cat thinking?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah, I thought of you when we got the invite to the exhibition! Louis Wain has you written all over him! (Well, not literally, that would be weird.) The cats looks so freaky and odd because they look so... human!

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.outsiderart.co.uk/Thumbnails-124x160/wain1.jpg

he is one of the few outsider artists that give me the creeps.

kephm, Friday, 31 October 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Ermmm... sorry, Kephm, but popular misconception about Louis Wain Number 2: Not an outsider artist at all. A wildly popular Victorian illustrator with technical drawing eduction (IIRC). Just being schitzophrenic doesn't make someone an "outsider".

(Sorry, the phrase "outsider art" is one of my biggest pet peeves.)

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

um, i would never label a schitzo an 'outsider',believe me. i was being lazy and grabbed the term 'outsider' from the website where i found the painting. wain just freaks me out in a good way. (discussing art on a whole is one of my pet peeves)

to answer the posted question, i will be going to 'The Grand Procession of the Ghouls' at St Johns. I hope it is ok. I may just end up at the rerelease of 'ALien' somwhere.

kephm, Friday, 31 October 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, cool. I just have this huge problem with "outsider art" because it is such an offensive catch-all term, in that most of the people who actually *make* "outsider art" don't consider themselves outsiders at all. It seems patronising to me.

But I agree, Wain's art is wonderfully demented.

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.shelales.com/images/Animals/Halloween%20dog.jpg

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

*falls off chair*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Has anyone seen Scary Movie 3? I can't decide if I should go see it...

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 31 October 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.knebworthhouse.com/images/ghost.jpg

BWAH HA HA!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 31 October 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.savonarolamustburn.com/PA310333.JPG

Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 1 November 2003 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

You've erm, got a little something on your face.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Saturday, 1 November 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)


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