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For some reason, the "veggie relapse" thread is making this veggie hungry. What are your favorites?

Kerry, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

having just shoved copious amounts of peperoni via stromboli into my maw, perhaps i'm not the best person to first answer but...

when i was veggie, i've never been a fan of the faux flesh. i've always preferred to just find creative uses for real veggies. but, that said, morningstar farms faux chicken nuggets are very addictive...

jess, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The chicken nuggets are very good. Also can't beat the classic boca burger.

Samantha, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes they are. Why don't you suss on over here so we can go stuff our maws yank.? -H

Hank, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Those new Boca Burgers fake chicken patties are incredible. Before that, it was Morningstar Farms and Health is Wealth. I also eat Veat on special occasions.

Kerry, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Boca Burgers.

Destroy: Pretty much everything else, especially those chicken- flavored tofu pieces that are shaped like little cartoons of actual chicken parts. But I'm not a vegetarian, and I've always had some weird ideological reaction to the idea that vegetarians should eat things which are in certain senses pretending to be meat. (Therefore, Jess, I salute you for avoiding this.) Had the same reaction to seeing an animal-rights activist wearing faux fur; it just sort of makes my brain start to explode because I can't conceptualize it properly.

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've always hoped that some postmodern veggie theorist would step in and point out that fake meat that emulates meat isn't really glorifying it or subordinating the vegetable, in the same way that using a dildo isn't proclaiming the superiority of the penis. Or some such thing. I'm only hoping that because, I'm sorry, the whole presentation of meat - with the stuffed turkey and all - is pleasing to me. If they tasted too much like meat, I'd be grossed out, but thank god they don't. In fact, I would aver that the meats that fake meats emulate are, in fact, meats trying hard to not look too much like meat (ground beef, ground chicken breast, et al.)

Kerry, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nitsuh apparently does not know the joy of vegetarian Vietnamese restaurants here in Orange County, where tofu-shaped-as-meat reaches heights of culinary perfection undreamed of by mortal folks. Or at least those who live in Chicago, Hog Butcher to the World.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kerry excepted from this above listing, of course. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah -- there's a Vegetarian/Asian place nearby that serves some amazing imitation meat dishes; they have a cashew chicken dish (very low on fat) that I've been hooked on lately, and it's really great, better than the real thing. And I digested a good amount of real chicken during my youth.

I've liked pretty much anything that Morningstar Farms offers, and even the Red Robin restaurants are selling their burgers with Boca patties. There's a really crappy brand out there, I forget what they're called. Real nasty, like bad HS cafeteria crud.

Andy, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fake meat has to be prepared carefully. I think thats the key.

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Even though the dildo-style argt is rad and likeable, I feel the very existence of the word "veat" must be a clincher in any sane kind of argument, surely?

mark s, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Most of the fake meat products contain egg & dairy. I don't see the point of not eating flesh if you are going to eat egg & dairy. Even most of the soy cheeses contain casein (milk protein).

Tabs, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

search: All veggie Asian restaurants / Morningstar veggie corn dogs

destroy: Boca burgers, token vegetarian dishes at most restaurants

Kerry -- GRATE analogy. heh.

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I luv MEAT! Meat is neat! And cows are ugly! End of discussion!

Maybe the MEAT! thread needs to be revitalized, no?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

remember haddock?

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

meat is number one! CHECK MY ADDRESS. I eat anything that I can kill. If we weren't meant to eat meat, I wouldn't have the killer instinct. I ate pork for breakfast and I'm gonna eat motherfucken cows for dinner. fuck yeah.

satan's donkey, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't eat fake meat for the same reason I don't wear fake fur.

nature's romance, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Or vinyl, "not-squid", etc.

nature's romance, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Besides if you were disgusted by meat why would you want a simarcural (sp) of it

anthony, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

besides we kill animals with every breath (microbes)

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

sainsbury's battered veggie sausages rock my world

chris, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I once had an extraordinarily good vegan BLT at 6 in the morning at Glastonbury. I thought at the time the sarnie was made with Cheatin' Bacon, but whenever I've had it subsequently it hasn't been all that great.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

there's a vegan sandwich shop in Brighton (or used to be last time I was there anyways) and that did sensationally good blts.

God I'm hungry, despite just eating two slices of toast and two hash browns.

chris, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Quorn has actually made me vom in the past.

I'd like to say that I've become rather partial to Burger Kings Spicy Beanburger. I don't think that counts as fake meat though, despite having the word "burger" in it - which fools me fair enough. It's so tasty.

I'm hungry too Chris, but I just read the meat thread and now want a salmonella sandwich (HMHB) no I mean a SOSSAGE SANDWICH ON WHITE BREAD WITH RED SAUCE.

Sarah, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am totally carnivorous, but I adore Mock Duck which is made from wheat gluten and served in any decent Vietnamese retaurant or sold in any Chinese/Thai/Viet supermarket. I make Thai curries with it and like it in salads from Minneapolis Vietnamese places. Mmmmmmm.

Any other meat sub is gross but veggies can make a Bacon Sarnie emulator by making toast, spreading mayonnaise, and laying down some very ripe avocado drizzled in soy sauce. It's the bomb.

suzy, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Goddamn it Starry, now I want one too. Except with brown sauce, not red.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

there is a place here in dallas, probably much like the one you mentio in orange county, called Veggie Garden that serves some of the best immitation meat cuisine I have ever tasted, especially thier sesame chicken, texture and taste just like the real thing except nobody gets hurt.

hank, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Boca makes a good faux Italian sausage, too, although eating that probably breaks at least three Chicago city ordinances.

scott p., Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Another good argument, Kerry, would be that Western cuisine is largely predicated upon the presence of meaty textures in various dishes, and therefore fake meat is an attempt to retain the integrity of our entire food culture without actually involving the meat.

This would imply that there could be a vegetarian cuisine which was completely different from our current Western conceptions, which would be ruined by adding any meaty textures. I imagine this being something like little bean cubes rolled in granola.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Tivall frankfurters (Apparently better than the real thing), Linda McCartney Spag Bol + Lasagne.

Destroy: LMacN Sausages, most Quorn products, and a big pile of other shite we have to put up with.

I wish Findus Lasagne could be classifiedas fake meat, what ith being the most delicious substance known to man.

Graham, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Has anyone mentioned Quish yet?

Pete, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no, and from that name i think we should all be grateful :)

oh go on then, what is it?

search: cheatin' bacon and chicken

destroy: cheatin' chicken when it comes in a huge lump purporting to be a "roast". WHY!?!?!

also on a related rant, destroy fake soya cheese. it is foul.

katie, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nitsuh: dunno about meaty 'textures' in Western cuisine, but when I stopped eating meat 14 or so years ago meat was the central point of a meal, certainly in Britain, so that other stuff was just 'to go with'. I don't think that's the case any more; the (limited) integration of other kinds of cooking (I guess largely Italian and generic 'INdian') shift the focus. Pasta sauce without the meat is a tomatoey, garlicky delight (or an olive oily, pesto-y delight, or take your pick); meat and two veg without the meat is just a small soggy pile of overcooked green beans and some defrosted peas.

Ellie, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Quish is very similar to Quorn, except it tastes and smells like fish. Which means it also tastes and smells like other things which smell like fish which means it never really took off as a product.

Pete, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They should have just called it Quim and been done with it.

Nick, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I must say that I don't think fake meat holds up well in an Italian context, but it never mattered: no one on my Italian side ever put meat in the spaghetti sauce - meat has always been served on the side. I've never had problems finding something to eat with that side of the family.

Kerry, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

destroy fake soya cheese

Does that mean you've finally thrown out that disgusting orange block of nacho flavoured Cheatin' Cheezly that's been in the fridge forever?

Richard Tunnicliffe, Saturday, 6 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I eat fake meat because I hate being vegetarian. If anyone came up to me in a restaurant or somewhere else and said that this was a moral problem i'd probably shriek at them and throw something.

search: black bean flavored veggie burgers
destroy: every fake hot dog i have ever eaten

Maria, Saturday, 6 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

lightlife's tofu dogs are great.

ethan, Saturday, 6 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

four months pass...
Notbacon! Notchicken! Tofu dogs! Fabulous things one and all.

electric sound of jim, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thank you for reviving this thread, so that I can point out that I just accidentally had a seitan pot roast and it wasn't half bad, so long as you plopped the seitan into the mashed potatoes enough. Unfortunately seitan seems to have roughly the same texture as corned beef that's been soaking in water for a week, so maybe pot roast isn't exactly the best place to go with it. But it wasn't nearly as bad as I'd have expected something called "seitan" to be.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Several hours later, let me revise:

SEITAN IS VILE

I post this now because I fear that by tomorrow I will have much less pleasantly-expressed evidence of the above.

Nitsuh, Friday, 1 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

by the way, Nitsuh, if you see your mother this weekend, be sure and tell her ...

SEITAN! SEITAN! SEITAN! SEITAN!

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 1 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

For the curious -- Homemade Seitan!

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 1 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
I have some quorn nuggets in the oven about ready to try for the first time and you all are scaring me.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 8 November 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago)

I vote for veggie hot dogs. Not because hot dogs are especially good to begin with, but if you slather the thing in mustard, relish, and onions, you really can't tell the difference. It's the same strategy I use to mask the flavor of a regular hot dog, only this way, I don't feel quite so poisoned.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Temptation.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Yesterday, we went grocery shopping. Nick called me over to the frozen section and said, with a completely serious face, "Ok, I've got two boxes of Bocas and one of Nugs. Should I get chick patties instead of one of the Bocas or should I get more Nugs? What do you think? Patties or Nugs?" Something about hearing the word "Nugs" - as in Fake Chicken Nuggets - three times in a row sent me into hysterics.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:13 (twenty years ago)

I am a big fan of the fake meat.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Oh, come on nick. Admit it. You know you have a stash of beef jerky in a shoebox in the closet that you sneak into when no one's looking.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:21 (twenty years ago)

boca ground beef is really good. i try to eat boca beef tacos a couple times a month.

peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:23 (twenty years ago)

My least favorite fake meats are soy bacon, which has the flavor down but the texture is kind of wrong, and the fake deli meats, which are kind of bland. But I love them still!

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:24 (twenty years ago)

It's not fake meat exactly, but I love turkey bacon. It's fake bacon, but it's sooo yummy.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:25 (twenty years ago)

ok the quorn was just fine, not quite as good as morningstar chick nugs, but fine. Now I'm craving some fakin' bacon though.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:27 (twenty years ago)

Mmmm nugs.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:27 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/2860-DSC05413.jpg

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:44 (twenty years ago)

"nugs" three times in a row would've sent me over the edge . . .
nick--have you tried tempeh bacon? i bought some & have made some & i quite like it. if you make it, you can add as much smokey flavor as you want.

kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I like the fake sausage patties sooo much more than real sausage, which scares me because I do not know what is in it. At least you know you've got a soy product.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:52 (twenty years ago)

Tivall cannot be beaten.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago)

Mushrooms!

redfez, Monday, 8 November 2004 21:05 (twenty years ago)

It should be pointed out that Boca burgers are made by Kraft and hence slathered in GMOs. I avoid them for this reason.

Peanuts (Peanuts), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:09 (twenty years ago)

morningstar fake corndogs are gods gift to vegetarians.

todd swiss (eliti), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Todd Swiss is OTM x 1,000,000. Those wee little bitty ones are my fav. I'm not a veg, actually, but they are better than any meaty corndogs I've ever had.

That weed in that there picture looks like some SHWAG.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago)

I made black bean burgers early last week. It wasn't too hard at all, and they turned out hella yummy.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago)

Whatever happened to Morningstar's fake Italian and Polish sausages, anyway?

Peanuts (Peanuts), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago)

Knowing full well I'm going to get yelled at for this, I have to ask that if you really want a product that tastes like meat, why don't you eat meat?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:21 (twenty years ago)

In the case of the corndogs, they taste BETTER than meat.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:22 (twenty years ago)

Dan, if you're familiar with the moral and ethical reasons some have for being vegetarian/vegan, it should be pretty obvious. I assume you're just looking for an argument.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm not just looking for an argument; I'm stating a viewpoint and hoping that for a change I can get a civil answer.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:37 (twenty years ago)

Well ok: Meat tastes good. But I don't eat meat because I feel that the way that animals are treated before being killed and the way that they are killed are unnecessarily cruel. Hence, I eat fake meat because it tastes good but it doesn't require torturing animals. I'm sorry for being argumentative but it seems pretty clear-cut.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Plus it's futuristic.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago)

And, in MANY cases, EXTREMELY more healthy.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago)

See, I was under the impression that it actually WASN'T healthier, an impression reinforced by the sample size of vegetarians/vegans I know and their myriad health problems.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago)

Does fake meat offend you?

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:48 (twenty years ago)

I guess I shouldn't have posted so quickly, considering the truth is that a certain diet's level of healthiness is entirely dependant on that particular human specimen's body/blood type.

Why am I posting on this thread? I eat meat!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Except when the fake stuff tastes better/is better on my body.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:50 (twenty years ago)

I think the ratio of healthy vegs I know vs. omnivores I know is like 20:1 in favor vegs, in terms of not being mouth-breathing smelling-like-a-roast-beef-sandwich-when-they-sweat faettys. But the vegs I know A) get colder more easily, and B) have way stinkier farts.

Personal observation = SCIENCE!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:56 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it offends me greatly, n/a; if only I could get fake meat to stop talking about my mother.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:58 (twenty years ago)

Good luck.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Fake meat vs. FRAUDULENT HIP HOP VOTES FITE!

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:03 (twenty years ago)

The thing that cracks me up the most about the phrase "fraudulent hip-hop votes" is that I have a mental image of people voting for P. Diddy multiple times.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:04 (twenty years ago)

But I don't eat meat because I feel that the way that animals are treated before being killed and the way that they are killed are unnecessarily cruel. Hence, I eat fake meat because it tastes good but it doesn't require torturing animals.

But there are so many ways to eat meat and *not* torture animals. There's an increasing amount of free-range chicken, beef, and lamb on the market, from independent farms, all of it fairly verifiably cruelty-free and hormone-free and nasty-free... and I'm not going to get into this argument. This is going to get me into real trouble.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:14 (twenty years ago)

I would suspect that most people who have taken the stance that eating meat is cruel balk at the whole killing-an-animal thing, Kenan.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago)

Not necessarily, I don't think it's inherently wrong to kill an animal for food, and I have less issues with free range meat, but for me it's easier just to not eat meat than to check up on every single free-range farm and check with every restaurant about where they get their meat. Basically, I'm lazy, and it's easier to have one big fat line not to cross than a million little lines based on different situations.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago)

And I'm not really interested in this discussion either. I'm not a proselytizing (sp?) vegetarian, I think it's a personal decision everyone makes for themselves, so I'm not interested in rationalizing why I eat what I eat.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:19 (twenty years ago)

I understand that, Nick, and if i eat meat, I have to accept that sometimes I'll be eating less than the best. I do, however, like to support as much as possible the people who are trying to change the way farms are run.

There's a place in my neighborhood where you can pick out your own live chicken, and they'll kill it for you right there. Fresh meat, you know where it came from, you can see that it hasn't been bred to have no feet or some sick shit, they feed it corn... good meat! I'm all for it! If you just think killing animals for food is bad, then yeah, we're into a whole other area. I can't address that at all.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:19 (twenty years ago)

I agree w/Nick. I don't miss meat, anyway.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Basically all restaurant meat goes right out the window, given my theory. And I couldn't do without a really, really good piece of rare steak every now and again.

Anyway, I know where you're coming fron, Nick. The person who takes all the perfect steps to improve food production in America does not and cannot exist.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago)

WHY NO FAKE STEAK? I mean, there's like fake beef like in Philly cheesesteaks, but no one has attempted a big juicy fake filet mignon. IS IT IMPOSSIBLE?

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago)

Also, fake meat = a source of protein, which is good. I'd rather eat a veggie burger than something eggy to get my protein.

Peanuts (Peanuts), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago)

It may just be distasteful.

x-post I mean, I sometimes support the meat industry status quo, which is bad. Vegetarians take themselves out of the market altogether, which sends no message to meat producers at all.

I guess we're just gonna have to booze up and riot.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago)

eating vegetarian is easier anyways i think.

dont have to worry about those stupid meat bacteria.

todd swiss (eliti), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago)

I hug you all and I'm sorry.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:40 (twenty years ago)

You've got nothing to be sorry about.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago)

Except you left your hat at my house.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago)

I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT!

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago)

I think we should have another Movie night Thursday or Friday, and you should bring my hat with you. Jessa will be out of town, and I will be sad and lonely and blue.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:43 (twenty years ago)

This weekend I will probably have some time because Sarah's sister will be in town and they will be doing girly things like seeing the new Bridget Jones movie. So maybe Fri. night or Sat. during the day? We are playing a show on Sat. night.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah! You and Canasta both. Well, I'll be there, too.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago)

i may be coming into town on thursday or friday to see undertow

this is speculation though

also this thread is about fake meat :)

todd swiss (eliti), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago)

Not Fake Fictions? Not vegetarianism? I was confused, I guess.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago)

I want to see Undertow. Give us a call if you decide to come into town to see it, maybe we can team up.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago)

Big x-post!

I was completely anti-fake meat for the first 5 years of being vegetarian. Nick introduced me to it. Before that, I was in the 'vegetarians who eat fake meat are playing for the other team' camp. The idea of eating anything like meat grossed me out.

Even now, I'll occasionally get a veggie burger at a Ruby Tu3sdays or what have you and I'll feel nauseous if I can't tell for certain it's veggie and not meat by mistake. I've worked in food service before and you never know.

(What are GMOs???)
I can't stand fake deli meat, but I never liked real deli meat. Also, I don't like fake hot dogs, but never liked real hot dogs (though, oddly, I do like fake corn dogs).

I agree that fake meat isn't all that healthy, especially things like NUGS that are all breaded, but vegetarians need their protein too and it's nice to have a variety.

Plus, eating meat-like things without eating meat is a way of reconnecting yourself to your past and the rest of society in a way without changing your beliefs.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago)

also: v. effective method of barbecue sauce delivery.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago)

n/a, what night would be better for you? thurs or fri?

todd swiss (eliti), Monday, 8 November 2004 23:27 (twenty years ago)

Probably Fri., but don't plan around me, I'm not sure what's going on. Just do your thang and give me a call when you know what that thang is.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago)

Im not vegan by any means but I eat my share of the veg stuff. I like the morning star farms buffalo chicken nuggets or whatever they are called. and those boca veggie burgers are pretty tasty too.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago)

I don't mind fake meat. It certainly has come a long way since I became vegetarian about 14 yrs ago. You can get varying degrees of taste where it's concerned though. I don't mind the quorn coated in breadcrumbs thingies, but there are tastier things. The Cauldron lincolnshire sausages are really tasty. I quite like quorn pies aswell. I use quorn mince & pieces mostly. I also tend to have quorn sausages & fillets.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago)

I can't tell the difference between veggie hot dog sausages either. Well at least from what I can remember of meat hot dog sausages.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
I finally tried the soyriso, it's pretty good! I scrambled mine up with eggs, it was just a little spicy, quite satisfactory.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Soyrizo rules the school; it has given me back the beloved breakfast delicacy of my San Antonio youth--the chorizo & egg taco.

I've always thought veggie dogs were okay for Chicago-style hot dogs, since Chicago dogs are really just a salad anyway....

Stephen X (Stephen X), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Ken C and I found out the other week that the Morningstar Farms veggie bacon is really good...IF COOKED ATOP A CHICKEN.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 20:12 (twenty years ago)

N.B. this is REAL, OVEN STUFFING CHICKEN, not weird QUASI CHICKEN

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago)

not weird QUASI CHICKEN

Is that the one featuring birds?

nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 01:26 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
omg gardenburger brand meatless riblets.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

MEATLESS

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

RIBLETS

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

ARE GROSS

charleston charge (chaki), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

they're disturbingly realistic.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

Are they on the "bone"?

Curious George Finds the Ether Bottle (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

they're like those mc rib sandwiches.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

Which ar eincredibly fucking disturbing.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

Although they always make me think of that Simpsons' episode with the Ribwich which amuses me, I guess.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

Teeny, OTM.

Matt Chesnut, Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

they taste like bad

charleston charge (chaki), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

the sauce could be a lot better. A LOT. but they still fascinate me.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 20 March 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
I'm eating a MOCK TUNA SANDWICH right now from the health food store a block away. It's not bad! A little too salty, though. I'm guessing that's the tamari they added to the tempeh to moisten it. I do like, though, that this sandwich is on regular old whole-wheat bread and has a loose, crisp leaf of iceberglettuce on it. I'm kinda sick of sandwich places that promise GOURMET bread that isn't actually all that good.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

TOO SALTY. Which is a shame. I probably won't get this again. There's a mock curried chicken one I want to try, though. Also, they sell BBQ twists from Chicago Diner, which, of course, are fantastic.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Now look, I'm all in favor of fake meat, but tuna is just disgusting. Ecch.

I was disappointed a couple of weeks ago because I was going to get Boca sausages when Sarah was out of town and cook them on the grill but THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY at the grocery store. I ended up getting veggie dogs, which were good, but I was excited about the fake sausages.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

don't eat fake meat or tuna

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

don't eat some real meat, too

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

I had happy memories of tuna-salad sandwiches.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Tuna might be the most disgusting commonly-eaten food I can think of.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Gross foods: Hot dogs pwn tuna every time.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Note: I mean the pinko-grey hot dogs, not all beef franks and that ilk.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

i love hot dogs!

i really like the morningstar farms black bean burgers.. MMM ZESTY. I've been eating way too much faux meat lately. that and faux cheese reign my food kingdom!

jill schoelen is the queen of my dreams! (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

n/a this has confirmed my suspicions that you are mondo batshit insane.

()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Mondo batshit insane LIKE A FOX.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

like the from-space kinda fox who turns up his nose at a delicous-ass tuna fish sammich

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

I tried that fake tuna for the first time last month (I believe it was called TUNO) and my first instict was YUK, but I discovered hours later that it tastes much, much better after you've let it sit in the refrigerator for awhile. "Much, much better" here means "not bad." But I'm not really a vegetarian anyway, so I'll probably stick to regular tuna.
Teeny was right about the meatless riblets. They are great.
And Tofurkey sausages are pretty amazing. The only thing I miss when I eat them is that delicious juicy quality of real sausages, which I don't think any veggie sausages can possibly imitate.
Also! It doesn't exactly count as meat, but as long as we're discussing alternatives to animal products, allow me to briefly sing the praises of wonderful, wonderful Tofutti. The cream cheese! The pizza! The Cuties! I put myself on a vegan diet for about a month, just to see what would happen (I discovered why so many vegans are pudgy!) and I don't think I could have lasted two days without Tofutti. (This, for the record, is probably part of the reasons so many vegans are roly-poly.) But hot damn. Tofutti.

kirsten (kirsten), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure I'd say the riblets are great, just that they're kind of fascinating. I haven't bought them again.

I would like to try fake tuna! Do you guys just get it in the store? My mom used to make a pasta salad I really liked, with pasta shells, chopped celery, tuna and mayo (that sounds terribly suburban now that I type it out!) that I would like to try to recreate--it doesn't call for a ton of tuna, just enough for flavor; maybe that would be a suitable use for fake tuna.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Tofutti cream cheese is ick, sorry. But the CUTIES are great!

The tuna I got was part of a pre-made sandwich from a company called Veggie Dance, and sold at my local health-food store. I've never actually seen it as a stand-alone thing.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

ooh I went looking for fake tuna online and I found fake scallops!

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

The fake tuna I got was made by Morningstar Farms, I think. I just found it in a natural foods store.
And jaymc, if you think Tofutti cream cheese is ick, you are crazy. Did you try the kind with the chopped up carrots and onions in it? Try that kind.

kirsten (kirsten), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

you fuckers got me hungry before bed. ugh. now i need a snack.

and everything by morningstar farms is awesome. i love the pizza burger, but the fake chicken is especially awesome. better than a lot of real chicken, and definitely the best chicken patties around.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

foodswings in brooklyn has vegan buffalo wings that are seriously better than any real buffalo wings i've ever had (i'm biased in that i don't like real meat on the bone anyway and these just have little wooden sticks in them)

joseph (joseph), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

most health food stores sell cans of tuno, although they're usually behind the counter along with the pharmacy items like they're a high theft risk.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps one should take a hint from the fact that the product is called tuNO.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

if it's the same stuff that the prepackaged sandwiches are made from, then it's fine. a little salty, as jaymc says, but perfectly acceptable.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

TUNO!!!

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

man i want a fake "rib" sandwich from the am/pm so badly right now

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

We used to have this shop/takeaway place near us where you could buy a chinese meal (you had to cook it yourself though) & they had loads of non-meat products. Yuo could get prawns, chicken, duck etc but all completely meat free. i only had it once! *frown*
Also, with regards to fake tuna, I had Linda McCartney fishcakes once. I remember checking the pack several times to make sure she hadn't out fish in it saying it was vegetarian. it tastest a little too fishy for my liking though. It was nice, just disturbingly accurate!

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

There were a couple of awesome Chinese places in Richmond that had like a whole menu of vegetarian fake meat things. One of them had a vegetarian buffet on the weekends. I miss that.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Do they not have those here in Chicago? I can't believe they don't, but I haven't seen any.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

I'm microwaving some Boca fake meat lasagna right now. That stuff is tasty.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard of veggie buffets here, myself. Sounds great, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

Quorn rules!

libcrypt, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago)

I just NOM NOM NOM'd 2 Quorn chix "cutlets" with BBQ sauce and it was NOM NOM NOM.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago)

Quorn > Gardenburger.

Eat hot death, mycoprotein-hatas! Or better yet, eat Quorn!

libcrypt, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago)

Trader Joe's has been out of soy nuggets for like a month. :(

Although I guess that's not fake meat per se, since it's not pretending to be anything beyond nuggets made of soy.

I did have some mock duck in a Thai curry yesterday.

jaymc, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago)

Also, since the last time this thread was revived, I've started to eat fish. :/

jaymc, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago)

Morningstar Corndogs are the best incarnation of nature's perfect food even if they are named after the debbil.

Abbott, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago)

it's ok to eat fish! they're delicious!

and, fwiw, one decadent trip to hot doug's aside, i'm trying to eat veggie

river wolf, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 22:20 (seventeen years ago)

also, i had seitan at earwax for the first time and i thought it was great. a little too salty, but otherwise totally fine.

river wolf, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 22:20 (seventeen years ago)

Omigod none of the words in that sentence sound likeanything remotely connected to food except maybe "salty," but that phrase can also be used to describe dogs and cranky old broads.

Abbott, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago)

Quorn rules!

Indeed it does. In the last couple of years they've managed to get rid of the squeaky polystyrene texture. Still needs to be cooked carefully though.

snoball, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 22:36 (seventeen years ago)

Haha, Abbott, Earwax is the name of a cafe in Chicago that serves a lot of good veggie food.

jaymc, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 22:44 (seventeen years ago)

oh haha...

Abbott, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 22:46 (seventeen years ago)

cauldron glamorgan sausages suck

emsk, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 00:45 (seventeen years ago)

nine months pass...

Visiting cat trying to steal my QUORN NUGS.

libcrypt, Friday, 4 July 2008 20:27 (sixteen years ago)

six months pass...

I can't believe I didn't mention Seattle FIELD ROAST GRAIN MEAT sausages. holy shit.

Apple Sage --> breakfast scrambles
Mexican Chipotle --> Mexican scrambles
Italian --> pasta/sauce additions

I use all three of these regularly. They're are the fAEK MEET BOMBDA!

909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 18:33 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.fieldroast.com/

909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 18:34 (sixteen years ago)

That said, Quorn products have also been high on the list too.. especially the 'Chick'N' Tenders and Herbed Cutlets

909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 18:35 (sixteen years ago)

Nice, hadn't heard of these before. I see Mother's sells 'em so I'll give 'em a try.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 18:38 (sixteen years ago)

Why not be the 1156974 person to praise Morningstar Farms?

Their Chik Strips are a low-carb, low fat, high protein godsend.

I tend to fry them in sunflower oil with chopped garlic and almonds, then add them to whatever veg stir fry I'm making.

serious sockpuppet here (PappaWheelie V), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 18:42 (sixteen years ago)

Field Roast is more expensive, but the sausages are heavenly. I always tell people to start with the Apple Sage.

They're a bit more brittle and less "poofy" than other veggie sausages, but the flavor omg.

909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 18:46 (sixteen years ago)

Mexican Chipotle, while not that ostensibly "hot", have a bad habit of putting me in coughing fits when a hot bit hits the back of my throat.

SUPER D. NICKNAME (libcrypt), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 18:55 (sixteen years ago)

I don't like the apple sage AT ALL.

SUPER D. NICKNAME (libcrypt), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 18:56 (sixteen years ago)

u crazee

909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 19:32 (sixteen years ago)

/capone

909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 19:32 (sixteen years ago)

I've probably said this before but fake meat has gotten sooooo much better than it was in the 80s. I'm sure they still sell mushy tofu "franks", but I remember when that was ALL there was, just about. Field Roast is certainly good and it'd be my undisputed fave in 1986, but there's some serious competition now and it's like my 3rd choice at Whole Foods.

The bad has gotten worse too, it seems. I had some fake chicken cylinders the other day that just about made me barf. Well, I had one and I tossed the rest out.

SUPER D. NICKNAME (libcrypt), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 20:04 (sixteen years ago)

We're having fake meatballs w/ pasta tonight. I forget the brand name but they're awesome. You just have to be careful not to overcook them or they get mushy.

Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 00:15 (sixteen years ago)

Also the Quorn Gruyere cutlets are INCREDIBLE.

Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 00:15 (sixteen years ago)

Meatballs are "Nate's Zesty Italian Meatless Meatballs".

Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 00:17 (sixteen years ago)

^^^
these dudes make chicken nugget style deals (all unbreaded) that is like bombass po boy material

<333

the fierce urgency of YAOOOOWWWWWWWW (m bison), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 01:46 (sixteen years ago)

my girlfriend makes fun of me because i sometimes forget how to pronounce "quorn" >:(

shook pwns (omar little), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:02 (sixteen years ago)

quooo rrrrn?

vegetarian sausages: do they all have little cubes of fat in them, laboriously inserted to mimic the authentic sausage experience? maybe i just had/heard about bad vegetarian sausages and am now scarred.

schlump, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 03:07 (sixteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

last night for dinner we had some grilled field roast apple sage sausages w/onion and spicy brown mustard. that shit is INCREDIBLE.

steve goldberg variations (omar little), Sunday, 1 February 2009 08:48 (sixteen years ago)

preach it, omar
follow the field roast, people

System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Sunday, 1 February 2009 09:31 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

I gave up fake meat, it has lost its freshness with me. Once you learn to make your own fake meat you can wean yourself off Morningstar or whatever. Their new-ish chicken in a bag is pretty good but i found you can get the same thing baking strips of tofu in breading. I feel so defrauded knowing I can make something similar at home!

I Don't Think It's Worth It, Personally.... (u s steel), Friday, 28 January 2011 23:55 (fourteen years ago)

Whoa whoa whoa, tofu is NOT Gardein strips.

vienn?tta (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 29 January 2011 00:52 (fourteen years ago)

I like keeping some Morningstar Chik'n Grillers in the freezer for relapse moments. Its more or less indistinguishable from ground chicken patties (aside from requiring more care in the pan). As with the Gardein products, chicken seems to be the easiest meat to mock up.

When I'm visiting the parent who lives a couple blocks away from an Adventist church with a vegetarian shop in the lobby I'll sometimes stock up on some canned Worthington Loma Linda Vegetable Skallops and Big Franks. The former is good sautéed with onions, peppers, veganaisse and salmon seasoning as a pasta topper, the latter is indistinguishable from hot dogs (for better or worse), aside from the usual fragility of the skin common to all the analogues.

Field Roast is great (but expensive), but anyone can get pretty close results with Julie Hasson's steamed seitan sausage approach and their own seasoning concoctions.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Saturday, 29 January 2011 01:23 (fourteen years ago)

Field Roast is AMAZING.

Sheenastia Easton (ENBB), Saturday, 29 January 2011 01:27 (fourteen years ago)

breakfast burrito with soyrizo every single freaking day. soyrizo. freaking delicious. i am not a veggie person btw and haven't tried really anything else mentioned itt to my knowledge but this stuff is v. good

sleepingbag, Saturday, 29 January 2011 02:00 (fourteen years ago)

oh ENBB if you think field roast is good, wait til you try those Julie Hasson sausages

vienn?tta (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 29 January 2011 02:12 (fourteen years ago)

I cannot find soyrizo anywhere. I tried the Trader Joe's brand once but it just crumbled into ground soy chorizo stuff and was p greasy. Is soyrizo like this?

vienn?tta (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 29 January 2011 02:13 (fourteen years ago)

Pretty much. Its TVP swimming in veggie oil with chorizo seasoning: garlic, vinegar, cumin, oregano etc. I wasn't too impressed.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Saturday, 29 January 2011 02:20 (fourteen years ago)

Stevie, yeah? I'll try them soon. :)

Sheenastia Easton (ENBB), Saturday, 29 January 2011 02:22 (fourteen years ago)

Oh, look, an apple-sage seitan sausage recipe.

The trick with the steamed sausage technique is low cooking temperatures. You just want the sausages in a steamer basket over simmering water, not a roiling boil. At higher temperatures you get a chewy bread like consistency. The Hasson video is nice for showing the technique (also, she's adorable). But various steamed seitan sausage recipes were all over vegetarian blogs a couple years ago.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Saturday, 29 January 2011 02:26 (fourteen years ago)

Does anyone else love the semi-Satanic name of Morningstar foods? It's the whole reason I initially purchased the veggie corn dogs I later became addicted to.

Rocker Brian (Abbbottt), Saturday, 29 January 2011 02:47 (fourteen years ago)

Curiously, Morningstar began as the frozen foods division of Worthington foods, which was founded and run by Seventh Day Adventists. Since 1999 both are now owned by Kellogg's (itself founded by an Adventist). The denomination is fairly batshit with respect to creationism, the imminent second coming, disdain for dancing/rock n'roll, and avoidance coffee and tea, but I imagine they were a godsend (er) to vegetarians before it became more mainstream in the past couple decades.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Saturday, 29 January 2011 04:07 (fourteen years ago)

my city's lone veg restaurant was founded by 7th dayers, tho they serve coffee and tea

Temple Grindin (m bison), Saturday, 29 January 2011 04:10 (fourteen years ago)

That is really funny, I lived next door to a family of Seventh Day Adventists and they were pretty cool people! My mom told me they were "Seven Day Adventists" because they went to church every day. I don't think that is true. I think some or all do vegetarianism. I had no idea they rejected rock music, maybe some rock music.

I Don't Think It's Worth It, Personally.... (u s steel), Saturday, 29 January 2011 04:15 (fourteen years ago)

Taco Bell Update

am0n, Saturday, 29 January 2011 04:16 (fourteen years ago)

Love me some real meat, bloody rare Filet Mignon is the yum. Even Carpaccio (if GOOD) is the bomb! (sorry to gross out some of you) but since I found SMART DOGS have not had a made-of-meat "parts" hot-dog since. Go smart dog or go home!

Wiggywoo, Saturday, 29 January 2011 04:24 (fourteen years ago)

lol amon

Sheenastia Easton (ENBB), Saturday, 29 January 2011 04:39 (fourteen years ago)

That is really funny, I lived next door to a family of Seventh Day Adventists and they were pretty cool people! My mom told me they were "Seven Day Adventists" because they went to church every day. I don't think that is true. I think some or all do vegetarianism. I had no idea they rejected rock music, maybe some rock music.

They only have to go to church on Saturdays (the seventh day). But they seem to like getting a jump-start, as their "Sabbath" begins on Friday afternoons. Not all of them are vegetarian, but most of them are. They are all, however, pretty damn keen on self-preservation. IIRC Loma Linda, CA (a city founded by and still run by the church) has the highest proportion of centenarians in the US. They pretty much invented the idea of "health food" and they don't drink alcohol or caffeine. As far as music goes, the Adventists I've known pretty much liked contemporary music, but were also well-versed in classical music (with many having been violin soloists and chorale singers).

naus, Saturday, 29 January 2011 04:49 (fourteen years ago)


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