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i see he's come up a lot on various threads. i was interested to read that ca. 2001 mark s had a very low opinion of his films (perhaps this is still the case?)

saw l'avventura the other night for the first time and was struck immediately by its beauty and strangeness, the astonishing precision of the choreography and editing to map complex, sometimes quite elusive, relationships between the characters. other times it smacks you over the head with something, but even then (as when monica vitti wanders outside in a sea of lecherous men) there's the possibility of something astonishing. this also has one of the most striking concluding shots i know. and that music will not get out of my head.

what 'm not sure i dig really is the politics of the film, if it can be said to have a politics. this film made an enormous splash when it came out--really one can count on one hand the number of films whose impact on critics, filmmakers, and audiences was so great (although: lasting? the film briefly appeared on the S&S top ten list, in number 2 just behind citizen kane!, in 1962, just two years after its release; it then vanished from the upper reaches of the poll completely, probably for good)--and it was largely interpreted as a comment on the distractions and emotional vacuity of the upper classes, if not a comment on the "modern way of life" (antonioni's own unbearably smug comments on his own films encouraged this sort of chatter). but what strikes me about the film is a fascination with the rich that (a) doesn't really seem to undersand them (as say visconti does), and simply swaps a fantasy of the ecstatically carefree rich for one of the hopelessly adrift rich; (b) exhibits a contempt for the poor or working-class. the roughneck men who ogle monica vitti are used like a grotesque manifestation of man's baser instincts, but the camera itself isn't above fondling ms vitti and the other woman rather doggedly--this film is among other things very much about the nape of her neck, the cracks in her lips, the streaks in her hair, and her spindly legs. there seems to be a hypocrisy here. also the prostitute toward the end of the film is handled rather...coarsely, as some kind of vampire, in fact she's shown only by her feet as i recall, or her legs. and the couple owning the grocery store is referred to by the male lead--quite ironically--as "charming," and we're supposed to laugh.

ok then there's what i guess was the most radical part of the film, which i think remains bold and effective: its narrative form. the mysterious disappearance (and the scene in which she disappears is orchestrated perfectly, sometimes poor dubbing not withstanding) and the search which is abandoned or forgotten in almost imperceptible stages, leading to a conclusion of striking ambiguity. this sort of open-endedness has become shorthand in some circles (mostly non-critical ones; just film buffs and other aesthetes who came of tastemaking age in the 60s) for "intelligent filmmaking," a situation that bugs me to no end. but it works here, and even if this basic narrative notion isn't so much profound as it is clever, antonioni works it with a facility (as noted above) few of his adherents can claim.

yeah so i've seen a few other of his films. i find that the psuedo-ideas, and the discomforting touristic and lecherous quality already to be found in l'avventura, really take over "blow up" and "zabriskie point" which i find MUCH less compelling stylistically as well. what i adore though are those early films i've had a chance to see, from les amiches to cronaca di un amore ("story of a love affair"), which are surprisingly concise and even straightforward late neorealistic films enhanced and rendered indelible by antonioni's choreographic style. i can see why they remained relatively below the radar, as their overall narrative design can't be said to be as obviously epoch-making as l'avventura's, but even so they have some interesting aspects there too.

yeah so i've also seen l'ecclisse which i found both less frustrating and (save for the ending and the lengthy seduction scene) a bit less fascinating than l'avventura, but more or less i had the same sort of reactions. what's funny is that the former should have prepared me for the latter given that fact, but i still was really blown away by l'avventura.

i'm rambling now sorry.

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i haven't seen his early funny films: blow-up is to say the least patchy and zab point i find goofy beyond further comment

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i absolutely adore 'l'eclisse'; the ending is justly famous. 'the passenger' is painfully out of distribution -- it was scheduled to play at the nft this year and was pulled at the last minute cos the producer's trying to re-release it one day.

i've only seen one early funny one, 'chronicle of a love' -- it's okay, but i need to see it agane. sam rohdie (ex screen editor) says the early ones are best.

best writing i've seen on antonioni is noel burch 'theory of film practice' (1967).

enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

zab point is the only one I've come across. Didn't do much for me but then again I've never made it to the end.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

right burch is the one who admires antonioni for his earliest films, and in customary political fashion dismisses the later work. i think he called cronaca di un amore as one of the few perfectly "replete" films, but then he also disparaged antonioni in contrast to a film called "contacto," which i believe is either portuguese or spanish and is hopelessly obscure, but which burch (again to be taken with a container of salt--even latterday burch says early burch was too fickle and political) says is the best example of modernist filmmaking.

more later...

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

ooh, cd you get me the dir name of the hopelessly obscure one? i agree he was too harsh -- in fact in the intro to my copy of 'theory', published in about 1973 he says he was too harsh -- but it's a useful book as a jump-off for any study of east asian modernists too.

enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah burch is a whole 'nother thread...he laid some crucial groundwork and some of his isolated insights remain useful, but i have trouble with his overall program-- the anti(western)bourgeois militancy that makes him seek "alternatives" in pre-1917 cinema or japanese cinema, making those things but shadows of what he calls the IMR (institutional mode of representation).... a really stupid way to go about film research IMO.

this does kind of tie in to antonioni but i have to check on a reel of film so i'll leave it to others...

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

oh and the film to which burch compares antonioni's work unfavorably is "contactos" directed by paulino viota. i know nothing else about it.

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yes i do. it's spanish and from 1970.

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

(b) exhibits a contempt for the poor or working-class. the roughneck men who ogle monica vitti are used like a grotesque manifestation of man's baser instincts, but the camera itself isn't above fondling ms vitti and the other woman rather doggedly

I think this is probably a hypocrisy the film is very much aware of--everyone in the film is in some ways a victim of base sexuality. the film defines the women that way because antonioni believes they feel that way themselves. "eros is sick" is what antonioni says right? it's too tied to dying, decaying matter. all the sexy, kittenish behavior by the women in the film feels either hollow or evasive.

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

victim of base sexuality

er, i can't quite get at what i'm feeling, but what's base?

enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew this was an amateurist thread! Er, i saw Blow Up!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

ha sorry thats just a borrowed phrase i guess. im thinking from antonioni's point of view it would be "animalistic" - but that sounds more extreme. in any case sex and love are completely detached.

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

(enrique would you take a look at I Love Film? I would like to have your thoughts on a thread there)

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

it's interesting to compare "l'avventura" to the late 70s Antonioni of "identification of a woman", which covers some of the same themes of female disappearance. As I recall 'Identification' differs only in that it's set in an obscuring soup of fog rather than on a boat, and I like them both a lot, although I admit I watched 'L'Avventura' on fast forward.

pulpo, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

ha! pt of comparison is really hitchcock

-psycho and l'avventura = lead disappears early
-the lady vanishes -- well! obviously
-rear window = blow up
-north by northwest = the passenger

enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

there was a "lady vanishes" festival somewhere i can't recall...all films in which well you get the point.

perhaps the scene where vitti becomes surrounded by lecherous men is meant to make plain one theme of the film, and it does play that way to some extent, but it's still telling that he chose one of the view scenes fea. non-rich people to make the point, and the men are clearly working-class "types." also dont forget the scene where the singer is mobbed by fans screaming horrifically...this was my least favorite part of the film by far.... it felt like a didactic little sideline about decadent celebrity and the masses blah blah blah...the sort of tone-deaf "observational" material that makes up the bulk of "zabriskie pt" and "blow up". just notice the precise way the main characters are choreographed, the EROTIC way (even if the film distances itself from eros in different ways) compared to the unseemly sulking and surging of the riffraff...

tracer why did you know it was my thread?

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

what's weird to me is that antonioni seems most, or at least often, celebrated as a filmmaker of IDEAS, when i find the ideas in the films of his i've seen to be fairly simple, and it's the erotics of his films, the pacing, that intrigues me...

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Btw, the commmentary track by Gene Youngblood for the Criterion DVD of L'Avventura is absolutely grebt.

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

it's the erotics of his films, the pacing, that intrigues me...

I agree completely--L'avventura definetly works best as a mood piece.

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

one of the best ever

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

what's weird to me is that antonioni seems most, or at least often, celebrated as a filmmaker of IDEAS, when i find the ideas in the films of his i've seen to be fairly simple, and it's the erotics of his films, the pacing, that intrigues me...

at the time sight and sound said:

'film is about human relationships, not about spatial relationships' w/r/t antonioni. but of course the way cinema expresses human relationships is spatial -- and the themes of his films are very much of their times, you could call him an 'existentialist'. the blankness in his films corresponds to what he thinks are shallow characters.

enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

in fact, in relation to the "limitations of film" thread on ILF, I would say, especially in his films of this period, that Antonioni is someone who really understand what film "does well"--i havent seen many of his later films but Blow Up felt awkward and didactic in comparison.

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't understand that comment--what does film do well? that question troubles me....

the "spatial relationships" comment i believe came from lindsay anderson or one of the S&S crowd in reaction to a perceived formalism taking hold...it might have even been robin wood's work at the time that sparked that comment (wood has since psuedo-renounced his earliest film writing).

i tend to be sympathetic to the formalist tendency b/c i think art has its own imperatives sometimes, certain abstract patterns and formal designs that have an appeal in themself--but even more b/c i think the notion of what "human relationships" means is this context is impoverished and didactic.... things that would seem hopelessly abstract and unengaged to a self-proclaimed humanist seem the very stuff of life--or one part of it--to me. granted too many critics skip over the interesting part--the observation of how films are put together and how they achieve certain affects--right to the airy theorizing, which is perhaps what anderson et al were reacting against, but i think it was the wrong (and a much too defensive) reaction...

ok back to antonioni.

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

it was editor penelope houston in reaction to wood, vf perkins, the Movie school. i think the point is they weren't being formalist, just acknowledging in a half-there way that film is a language, and there's no 'transparent' way to convey emotion/relationships/ideas etc.

enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

what does film do well? that question troubles me....

i dont know exactly what it "does well" - that's partly why i am using such vague terms. what i like about antonioni, and other filmmakers with similarly sleepy styles, is the emphasis on time. there is a feel of waiting, lingering, or even a vigil. thats something im not sure is in other art forms.

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

it's also interesting that Tarkovsky and Antonioni can use this style to create completely opposite effects.

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i still don't understand--film can convey speed as well no?

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

right. im definetly not trying to say "X is what film does well, and therefore all good films do X" if that's your concern.

and the thing about speed in film is that it is conveyed through editing, etc. but with long takes the time is literally there, and it's not suggested through artistic means.

i honestly don't really know what i am getting at here, just making some observations.

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe saying it is "literally" there tho is stupid--it conforms to our normal experience of time.

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

one of the most striking concluding shots i know

But the very heavy deliberate laboriousness with which it was constructed put me off from whatever immediate striking effect it was supposed to have. There's a sense of imbalance that's almost comical, putting such narrative and emotional weight on what is a fairly casual gesture, in addition to the obviousness of the wall/vista split-screen. This is a general aesthetic bugbear of mine, not specific to Antonioni, but watching L'Avventura definitely set it off.

pantalaimon (synkro), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

[John] Fahey had just begun to take his Quaaludes when the Italian director, Michaelangelo Antonioni, flew him over to Rome to record music for the soundtrack of Zabriskie Point.

Antonioni's conceptual sequel to Blow-Up is an Italian leftist's goofball cinematic view of late '60s American counterculture. It features a long sequence with nude couples making love in the desert, for which Antonioni wanted Fahey to do the music. When Fahey arrived in Rome, Antonioni showed him the segment in a screening room. "Antonioni says, 'What I want you to do is to compose some music that will go along with the porno scene.' I kept saying, 'Yes, sir.' Then he starts this, 'Now, John. This is young love. Young love.' I mean, that's young love? All these bodies? 'Young love. But John, it's in the desert, where's there's death. But it's young love.' He kept going, 'Young Love/Death' faster and faster. I was sure I was talking to a madman. I'm still sure I was.

"So I experimented. I had instrumentalists come in and told them just to play whatever they felt like. They had to pretend to understand what I was talking about, especially if Antonioni came in the room. That was fun. They were very cooperative. I came up with some sections of music that sounded more like death than young love. It was actually pretty ominous. I played it for Michaelangelo and he thought it was great. So he took me out to dinner at this really fancy restaurant and started telling me how horrible the United States was. We were drinking a lot of wine and I don't remember which one of us started cussing. It started real fast and ended in a fistfight. You have no idea how much that guy hates the United States. What a jerk. I did like 20-25 minutes, but they only used about two minutes. Somebody's driving along in the car and the announcer says, 'And now some John Fahey.' And that's it -- young love and death."

hstencil, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i've read that essay..it makes both fahey and antonioni sound like assholes...

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah I know!

hstencil, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

also to the previous poster i see what you mean.... the last image has a heaviness, or a portentousness, it seems to summarize the intentions of the film in one composition--from the decentered composition to the long framing to the characters with their backs turned to the camera etc. but i liked it for that reason, i think. or can i really rationalize it? sure it's showoffy, but there was something cathartic about it just the same...

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Zabriskie Point - "eros is thirsty."

pantalaimon (synkro), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

wait, can a final shot be portentous?

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

John Fahey vs. Antonioni FITE

(I'll take Antonioni over Fahey anyday.)

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah so anyway

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

final shot = portentous => sequel on the way!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah and the sequel was La Notte, another film about bourgeois alienation, with a similarly resonant final shot!

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

alienation II: in the front row no one can hear you scream

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

see i wd respect ant much more if he named his movies on the police academy principle

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

La Notte was disappointing. I dunno, after seeing L'Avventura and L'Eclisse, to say nothing of Blowup, it just didn't stand up as well.

I've also had problems with Red Desert, though I'm told that it really needs multiple viewings to turn out. I don't know about that...I mean, it's been four months since I last saw it, and I was drinking some gin at a bar last night and thinking...I should see Red Desert again. It could comfort me, and I shouldn't have left it like I did - you see, it put me on the spot, and since then I've been just watching lots of other Italian New Wave directors, mostly one at a time, trying to prove to myself that I don't need Red Desert. Should I go back to it?

(I've definitely earned someone's undying hatred with this one.)

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I prefer Pasolini.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i loved la notte :(

jones (actual), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

why, Mary?

I love La Notte too! And Girolamo, Red Desert is far from my favorite of his, but I think it does reward repeated viewings. Anyway, I think he's my favorite director, and L'Eclisse probably my favorite film. Or at least I considered them as such at one point, i'm finding it hard to think in terms of favorites these days. I've seen everything he's done, including the early shorts, save for his 4 hour China documentary and Identification of a Woman (I actually own the latter on VHS but I'm waiting to see it on the big screen; someplace near me, screen the damn thing already!)

I want to scribble more thoughts but I've been kinda busy today ... hopefully tonight I can add some more.

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

are pasolini and antonioni some binary that i'm unaware of? do they have opposed gangs?

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

(somehow i imagine pasolini's being tougher...)

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

look i know it was angsty and about how life is deeply sad, but am i the only one who thinks that red desert is the most dull and senseless examantion of why life sux.

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 20 November 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I've seen l'avventura a few times, and I like blow up, zabriskie point and la notte as well but I did not make it through one viewing of the red desert. There were great images throughout though. Last year I read architecture of vision: a collection of writings and interviews with Antonioni. I enjoyed reading it very much. I'd reccomend it even to those who don't like his films much. He comes off as a fascinating and intelligent artist with an admirable philosophy towards life. Has anyone seen the documentary that Antonioni made in China after Zabriskie Point? I've been trying to find a copy off it.

theodore fogelsanger, Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

haha my friend used to joke about how they added the extra "oni" to make him x-tra italian.

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

fellinioni

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

pasolioni

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

leonelioni

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread has found its destiny

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Marcello Mastroiannioni
Marcello Carlinoni

(apologies...)

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

silvioni berlusconioni

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Girolamo Savonaroloni

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

god my italian friends would be horrified

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll have a savonaroloni on wheat, please. Hold the mayonnaise.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
i saw "red desert" a few months ago but i'm too tired to comment. this is a place-holder then.

what do people think of "blow up"? who else has read j. hoberman's piece on its enormous success?

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:37 (twenty-one years ago)

don't know what piece you mean but it does turn up a lot in Hoberman's "The Dream Life"

ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:41 (twenty-one years ago)

this piece

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought "blow-up" was fucking ridiculous even when i was an uber-pretentious 17-year-old film nut. i suspect i'd kind of like it now, just for the whole swingin' london thing, and the yardbirds.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I couldn't handle that piece at this time in the a.m., but it's a lovely film. Pretentious or not, the Russian model is hott.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 07:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"russian model" ?

do you mean gillian hills or jane birkin????

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

'vERSUSHKA' Maybe she isn't Russian, thinking about it.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i've only seen it on video, and antonioni frames the girls in long shots, so i don't even know if gillian hills is hot, though i'll trust the judgement of certain perves i went to college with and say "yes."

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
i am being sent a copy of the passenger! yay!

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 10 September 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i haven't seen that movie since i was 16

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 September 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

it wasn't really the perfect movie for me at that age

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 September 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

antonioniaroni.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 10 September 2004 07:15 (twenty-one years ago)

whoah what the fuck! is 'teh passenger' getting a release? they pulled it from a festival here bcz of rights a year back: said the distributor wanted to re-release it. can it be true?

Dead Man, Friday, 10 September 2004 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

antonioniaroni.
-- Dan I. (w1nt3rmut...), September 10th, 2004.


we've dealt with this, upthread.

no it's not getting a release. someone copied me the japanese dvd.

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

does it have english subs?

todd swiss (eliti), Friday, 10 September 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

the film is mostly in english

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

ah, i see

i will have to look into this.

todd swiss (eliti), Friday, 10 September 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish i could copy it for you, todd, but i don't have a dvd burner. :-(

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

antonytonitoné.

:P

Dan I., Friday, 10 September 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"If I Had No Loot (And I Don't, Because I'm an Obscure Foreign Filmmaker)"

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

antonytonitoné

This wins!

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

north by northwest = the passenger

For sure. Also Rossellini's General Della Rovere. Um, and Along Came Jones, I suppose.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

how do you mean frank?

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, SPOILER SPOILER DON'T READ THIS POST, but they're all (not counting the Gary Cooper flick) about a desperately uncertain, unjelled character being pulled together through mistaken identity, though the new self remains more (Antonioni) or less (Hitchcock) contingent.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

it's now been four or five months since i caught red desert on french tv at 2 AM, but strangely i think i remember enough of it to comment. i'll try to post some comments this week.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Red Desert is great. Aesthetically, anyway, it's untouchable. I'm always a bit concerned that the Vitti character is presented too weak, though; WAY weaker than the strong-willed females she had portrayed in the previous three films in the quartology. But I guess that was sort of the point. All these lecherous males preying upon her and whatnot. So actually probably quite sympathetic.

I'm just in love with the SOUND and COLOR of the film. All those clanging and wheezing oil rigs and freighters, that industrial machinery interrupting everybody's conversations at every turn. That big belch of steam that erupts at the beginning of the film, when the two men are trying to have a conversation. The juxtaposition of the idyllic story of the tropical island that the Vitti character tells her son at the end of the movie, with the ugly gaseous drilling fields she leads him past. The grey colors of the cityscape (physically painted to look that way - no filters here). The fog.

Reed Moore (diamond), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:17 (twenty-one years ago)

the scene i recall best/was most impressed by was the weird abortive orgy in the cabin by the sea.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, really weird and fumbling and uncomfortable. Like, all these bourgies sort of attempting to get wild and kerazy, and just having no fucking clue, really, how to go about it, until crushing self-consciousness takes over, and the Vitti character kind of retreats into this freak-out thing; but how much is she just fearful / acting / etc

His whole thing in that classic string of mid-60s films is basically good ol' bourgeois alienation and pretense -- how banal, right? -- but I think he's basically the master. His characters have a bit more depth and range of emotion than, say, the Bergman depressoids.

Reed Moore (diamond), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:31 (twenty-one years ago)

But Bergman depressiods are more relatable to other depressiods. Like, say, me.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think of antonioni as a filmmaker of psychological realism, really. or at least i don't think that sort of thing accounts at all for my interest in his films.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:08 (twenty-one years ago)

hey man, Cries and Whispers is one of my all-time favorite films, and possibly the most depressing film ever! But on the whole, I prefer the nuance of Antonioni's characters. In The Eclipse, you've got Vitti and Delon, two of the hottest figures in cinema at the time, engaged in this prolonged courtship. They play two monied Italian party people, Delon a stockbroker playboy and Vitti, hmm .. can't remember (scion of wealth? somthin like that.) They party and HAVE A GOOD TIME together, and then ... they both fail to show up at an arranged time at an arranged place ... and the film just devolves into the most incredible succession of almost still images the urban environment we've previously seen the characters inhabit; really sort of mundane but also chilling - the characters conspicuous in their absence. Some guy standing atop some weird-ass modernist architectural monstrosity, points up at a plane in the sky. A bus lets some people off at a stop. A close up of a street-light. I don't know. It sent chills down my spine the first time I saw it.

Reed Moore (diamond), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:09 (twenty-one years ago)

but the films are so elliptical... the characters so uncommunicative.... i'm not saying there isn't emotional there, but i don't think it comes from depth of character motivation.

i guess a semi-exception is in red desert, where vitti's character makes several abortive attempts to explain her feelings (to her husband's friend and to a stranger IIRC). these scenes were difficult for me. the monologues have the unconnected quality of genuine desperation and confusion, and i experience feelings similar to when a certain friend pours out her angst for the umpteenth time... i wanted to be sympathetic but i was more pitying and a bit fed-up. i say "semi-exception" because while the character is unusually talkative for antonioni, it's not clear she's communicating anything at all.

ok, so antonioni's "theme" is the difficulty of communication between human beings in the modern world. well that's how many people have chosen to read it, anyway. it's become cant. i think people see an antonioni movie now expecting it to be "about" this. but i suspect that this "reading" is just a reduction, just an attempt to fill in spaces left by the elliptical narration and presentation of character. a way of reducing the film to an assimilable statement abt modern life. when--as i noted above--for me antonioni films are more (to be vulgar) mood pieces than anything else. if such visual phenomena as characters bobbing in and out of frame in patterns that have no obvious thematic meaning but tons of graphic dynamism can be considered contributors to mood.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean the parameters of antonioni's better films seem to me to be primarily visual, secondarily thematic.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

And when antonioni does have obvious meaning, it's often all-too-obvious.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

This may be a fellini problem as well.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, that's true, as in sundry scenes which expose the vulgarity of fame or what have you.

fellini is always pretty obvious. take la strada. please.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:29 (twenty-one years ago)

well, fellini can be oblique, too. take the weird little circus parade at the end of 8 1/2. Is that supposed to symbolize... what? That life is a circus? That fame is a circus? I mean, I guess, but it's not obvious.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)

um... or maybe it is. The imagery is very odd, though.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

No, actually, I totally agree with you Amateurist. It's that visual impact of Antonioni's stuff that makes me a fan, first and foremost.

I can't tell you many tiny little mini-scenes - devoid of dialogue - have permanently wormed there way into my consciousness. I can't be standing underneath a tree at midnight, as the wind loudly rustles the leaves, and not think of those park scenes in Blow Up. Or, the sound of clanging of ropes against flagpoles instantly transports me to that little shot in L'Eclisse where the Vitti character is running along after her friend as the flagpoles do just that...

actually, I should qualify that "weird-ass modernism" thing; modernist architecture strikes me as anything but weird -- the cellular structure and all that. But with Antonioni it's all in the framing; that's the thing -- he makes the mundane seem weird by isolating certain of its aspects. Like in that shot mentioned above, i'm assuming it's some standard multi-level living structure, but he frames the character standing on the roof in a cutaway -- this guy standing atop this strange geometric shape pointing at the sky -- which really just sort of emphasizes the odd character of contemporary life and our relationship with our physical envirmonment.

I mean, there's a laundry list of memorable scenes where he does this -- in Il Grido (those weird-ass spool things. wtf?), in the Red Desert stuff I mentioned, in La Notte when the Moreau character goes off by herself to explore the city .. even the relatively poor Zabriskie Point is just FILLED with this shit .. the Rauschenbergesque framings when the lead male character flees the campus and drives his truck through the city, the silly interlude with the development firm that "Daria" works for, and of course that odd cottage which explodes in a Wonder Bread frenzy at the end..

Fuck, I dunno .. Yeah, I love the guy for his striking imagery above all. But I do think in that halting dialogue, that inability to communicate -- he presents a sort of alternate "depth of character". or something.

Reed Moore (diamond), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)

he makes the mundane seem weird by isolating certain of its aspects.

yes, i agree completely. to some extent, this is what most art does. more specifically, i think antonioni is good at exploting the geometries of urban architecture in ways that render them unfamiliar (often excitingly so)..

ozu is another who does this. he manages to make even the most mundane office building strange and beautiful. in fact, when i saw an inn in tokyo (1935), with its boldly framed shots of hulking, derelict industrial equipment in a barren suburban landscape, i thought "antonioni!"

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I rented "L'Avventura" this evening, even though the girl saw it about a month ago. She didn't want to watch it twice -- "It's great," she said, "but it's so slow I could feel my fingernails growing."

Formed thoughts forthcoming. I didn't think about my fingernails -- I can say that much already. The music was quite sticky.

Tonight at ten (kenan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

that opening and closing theme music is amazingly catchy

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 16 September 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Of all the reputed-to-be "slow" films I've seen in my lifetime, L'Avventura was probably the least worth that rep. Even Antonioni's own Blowup is slower, to my tastes.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I remember thinking the opening music belonged in Divorce Italian Style.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Antonispicoli.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I only post on this thread when I've been drinking. La.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I went to Maryon Park a few weeks ago to scout out the old locations from Blowup, and take some pictures.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 16 September 2004 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

is that soundtrack music on cd?

amateur!!st, Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...
yes it is (blowup, not l'aventurra)

london has an antonioni season on now. because of soime fuxoring american cousins who have decided to ruin my life, i'm missing half of it, but i did see 'la notte' saturday. i love antonioni.

but they aren't showing 'the passenger'. for some crazy reason, presumably rights-related, they could only show it IF MICHELANGELO HIMSELF ATTENDED. needles to say, this didn't happen.

N_Rq, Monday, 13 June 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

Dealt with upthread, I know, but I really have to get "Fellationi" out of my head.

Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Monday, 13 June 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...
I saw The Passenger this weekend.

I know I'm prone to gushing and over-effusion sometimes on these boards, but really, it was so very, very good.

Corcoran (nordicskilla), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

antoniony! antonioni! antonione!

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

A DVD of The Passenger in a restored state is scheduled for release next year (May 23 according to Amazon). Don't know what the extras are.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

I saw it on video about 11 years ago and disliked it, as I do most late Antonioni. Still, I'm looking forward to catching this at my local arthouse.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

hey adam!

I put off watching The Passenger for a long time ('cause Zabriskie Hurts) and when I finally saw it a few years ago I was completely blown away -- I need to see it again

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

It bugged me when I saw it as an undergrad, but now I like it. I even stayed at the same hotel Jack stays at in Barcelona.

I still haven't dared to see Zabriskie Point.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

the passenger has references to not one but two! michael snow films.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

or perhaps they are not so much references as appropriations.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

I used to work right next to the Bloomsbury Squatre complex where Maria Schneider is filmed reading in the sun.

I also can't believe the Malaga scenes at the end of the film - that town is such a horrible tourist pit now. It actually used to look classy (or at least peaceful, in a desolate sort of way).

Corcoran (nordicskilla), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

which michael snow films, am?

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

wavelength and

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

oops, that's back and forth

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

i think the film as a whole absorbs something of snow's methodology ca. 1967-71

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

Haha, Wavelength! I'm guessing you are talking about that final (or penultimate anyway) shot.

You can see the camera operator reflected in the french window. The man must be a brute.

Corcoran (nordicskilla), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

nice, thanks.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

I saw the re-edit of the passenger at the LFF last month and it was so still & watching beautiful, I really liked it. The face of the lead girl was so perfect, how wide-eyed she was amid all this gorgeous architecture/scenery/&c...

(i don't know how much of a difference those extra six or something minutes they put back in really makes, though)

spontine (cis), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

Zabriskie struck me as thoroughly honorable and occasionally beautiful when I finally saw it, moreso than recent pseudo-Antonioni like that horrid Bruno Dumont 29 Palms.

I haven't seen the early stuff in eons.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Where's the allusion to in The Passenger?

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

That was supposed to say the allusion to Back and Forth... (I did the symbol thing but I guess it read as HTML code).

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

to my mind it's the scene where schneider and nicholson are at some kind of outdoor cafe (?) having a conversation, and the camera makes a few very abrupt, violent pans left and right and then left again (IIRC) that nominally follow the cars that are passing on the highway in the distant background. essentially the camera becomes loosed from its function of observing the narrative (or even commenting on it expresisvely), which happens a lot in antonioni in various ways but rarely so flagrantly (and ridiculously, if i can use that word non-judgementally).

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

ah shit good point. here is a slightly overheated thing i wrote about the film's a/g positioning when it was still unavailable in the uk ('cept on my shitty vhs). i got the 'wavelength' ref tho.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

You can see the camera operator reflected in the french window.

Forgot to look for this. I did notice the first time Jack says "What the fuck are you doing with me?" (under the tree), it's clearly dubbed as his lips aren't moving, which suggests it was done to make the line resonate in the last hotel scene.

Second time I'd seen The Passenger (first since mid to late '80s); hadn't remembered hardly anything but the famed next-to-last shot ... I do think it stands with Blowup at a minimum; i'll probably work my way backwardish through his oeuvre now. Nicholson's probably never given a more somber and natural performance, even in his '69-75 Arthouse Bogart run (which this capped). I though Maria Schneider was speaking English phonetically, but her movements seem similarly stilted (when she puts her hand on Jack's shoulder, elbow stiff).

My brain was asleep early on -- what was Jack burning in his yard in the flashback, besides tree limbs, if anything?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't he burning the remnants of his own identity? But I haven't seen it in a long time so I don't know.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

No, it was a flashback with his wife yelling at him from the window, so he hadn't made the switch yet.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Maybe he was just WISHING he could destroy his identity while he was burning the tree trunks

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

saw "the passenger" friday, so great.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

he was burning the part of the script that explains what he was burning.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Here's a trivia question for y'all which maybe everybody knows these days but used to kind of a secret: What film was Maria Schneider cast in and then fired from shortly after filming began, inspiring a very unique casting decision to replace her?

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

'taxi driver'

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

ok, 'obscure object of my desire'

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

You can see the camera operator reflected in the french window. The man must be a brute.

I thought that was the reflection of the assassain.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 5 December 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

it is.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Wonder what 7 minutes were cut for the US release in '75. I don't remember the scene of Mrs Locke watching the execution footage, but that doesn't mean anything.

I see Ebert upgraded the pan from his original review, so he is getting smarter (in some cases).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

I didnt think much of it during my intiial screening 11 years ago; maybe it was the quality of the print; maybe it was my boredom with late Antonioni; maybe because I hate Blow-Up?

Still, I wanna see it again.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

it's so much better than "blow up."

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

ebert's review was interesting. he allows himself not to interpret the oblique bits in the film, which is something he normally likes to do (saying the silences in a film are emblematic of particular traits of the characters, or of an overall "theme" or message). in fact he makes a point of saying that antonioni films aren't really there to interpret, which certainly goes against the historical record, insofar as 'l'avventura' and 'blow-up' have been endlessly interpreted. perhaps antonioni just makes his films so obviously oblique and open to interpretation that it makes the exercise of interpretation boring, too obvious a move.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

exercise of interpretation boring = movie boring, in my book

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

it's not a boring movie.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

it's okay if it is, there are a lot of "boring" movies -- in both senses, i.e. slow, not much happening and also ones that are just THERE and require no thought-bones -- that i like!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

films so obviously oblique and open to interpretation that it makes the exercise of interpretation boring

Tracer Hand otm. The filmmaker can't expect us to do his work for him PLUS give us the most somnolent raw materials.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

"the passenger" didn't seem very oblique to me.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

Nor to the woman sitting next to me at the Sunshine when she shouted "HE'S DEAD!"

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

the film is partly 'about' that, the difficulty of interpretation being flipside to the instability of identity -- or something. it isn't a boring film, and imo it's one his the antmeister's less oblique films. the more i see them the less oblique they feel -- 'l'eclisse' is even quite plotty. i find the antonioni style, the disjunct of camera and action, exciting.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

it's very oblique in terms of character psychology. we don't know why nicholson's character does what he does, and key information about the identity he's assumed and his nominal "purpose" is not provided. the schneider character is a total blank in terms of psychology--she doesn't even have a name, a backstory, anything. we can choose to fill in such blanks in many ways (or to interpret the blanks as having some greater metaphysical, political, etc. meaning) but the fact that the blanks are flaunted so obviously perhaps makes such activity seem a bit pointless, as far as a longtime critic is concerned.

i don't think it's a boring film, and i also don't tend to try to remake "boring" into a superlative, a positive quality. certain films may displaced my interest from the sort of things you ususally focus on in films (character psychology/goals, etc.) onto other things (milieu, intricacies of visual and sound design) but that doesn't make them boring, just compelling in different ways from the norm.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Tracer Hand didn't say it was boring, he said it was "boring," which seems to fit what you just defined as "compelling in different ways." Boring to Morbius-baiters, maybe, but "boring" to the rest of us.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

"ok"

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

True story: Michael R03mer once told an old roommate of mine who took his class that (insert stagy German accent here): "R___, a boring story about a boring thing told boringly is BORING!"

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

it's very oblique in terms of character psychology. we don't know why nicholson's character does what he does, and key information about the identity he's assumed and his nominal "purpose" is not provided.

ok, well i'm not sure what needs to be filled in as to why he "does what he does." it's pretty clear at the beginning that he's just had it with his assignment, and his life. as for the identity he assumes, if everything was revealed as or during he assumed it, it'd be an incredibly boring movie. most (tho not all) about the dead guy is revealed to the viewer in the same way that nicholson's character receives it, and thus, there's a story (a thriller, even).

the schneider character is a total blank in terms of psychology--she doesn't even have a name, a backstory, anything.

not entirely, she claims she's an architecture student. but it isn't really that important, she's basically the "mysterious female" type as in most thrillers/mysteries.

we can choose to fill in such blanks in many ways (or to interpret the blanks as having some greater metaphysical, political, etc. meaning) but the fact that the blanks are flaunted so obviously perhaps makes such activity seem a bit pointless, as far as a longtime critic is concerned.

there isn't much to "interpret," there's a lot there in the film. i think if antonioni had spelled out things more, it'd be a much weaker movie.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

stencil otm. If we knew more about his past existence it would somehow give him more of an option to go back to it.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

and that contributes to the "mystery" aspect, as more of his past life is revealed once his wife becomes a character.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

i wasn't making a subjective evaluation of the film so much as describing what i meant by "oblique"--i'm not saying the obliquenss is a good or bad thing, or that the the film should or should not be interpreted.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

(I'm gonna get you for that "ok," amateurist)

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

oh wow ... the Antonioni thread got revived! a week ago! only my favorite director. shows how little I look at ILE

anyway, yeah, Passenger making the rounds finally. Jack finally let it loose again .. Saw it two weeks ago, after only seeing it previously on VHS .. absolutely blown away. so glad to finally see this sucker on the big screen (only have "I Vinti", "Identification of a Woman" and the China documentary left to see before I die!!) Started re-reading the Rohdie bfi book. too late right now to read this thread .. but .. The Passenger, god yes

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 06:45 (twenty years ago)

a website too!

http://www.sonyclassics.com/thepassenger/index_content.html

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 06:46 (twenty years ago)

I never did see that "Eye to Eye" thing either, dammit..

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 06:49 (twenty years ago)

hstencil otm. it's truw that you get less backstory for either lead than is usual, but it's only a matter of degree -- lots of thriller heroes are almost as sketchy, but usually you don't dwell on it. how much do we know about cary grant in 'nnw'?

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 09:15 (twenty years ago)

his motivations are never really left in doubt

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

I just watched his early '60s trilogy in a 10-day period (hadn't seen L'Avventura and La Notte in many years, and L'Eclisse ever that I can recall). L'Eclisse may be my favorite (att Alex: ALAIN DELON), particularly because of the closing sequence that some US exhibitors lopped off because of its 'irrelevance.' The dread continues to build as Vitti and Delon clown and stare at (and away from) each other ... while the last scene in L'Avventura does something similar with Vitti and Gabriele Ferzetti, the last half sometimes feel like marking time, esp when you know Lea Massari ain't coming back. (Occasionally he'll hit the DECADENCE too hard, like Vitti's friend throwing herself at a boy in L'Avventura or Jeanne Moreau's wanderings through Milan in La Notte.)

Also, Jack Nicholson reading two articles by Antonioni on L'Avventura's DVD is a hoot, esp the one that amounts to "A thinking actor is my enemy." (Jack haw-haws this during brief Passenger reminiscences.)


Dave Kehr in the NY Times:

Eros

This three-part film on sexual themes with segments by Wong Kar-wai, Steven Soderbergh and Michelangelo Antonioni received mixed reviews when it was released theatrically last April, but its DVD release is remarkable for the one great extra it contains: "Michelangelo Eye to Eye," a 19-minute short directed by Mr. Antonioni and included here out of the sheer goodness of Warner Home Video's heart.

Largely silent, with the exception of some choral music by Palestrina that rises slowly during the film's last five minutes, "Eye to Eye" depicts the 93-year-old Italian filmmaker (effectively rendered mute by a stroke in 1985) as he pays a visit to a work by another Michelangelo: the sculptor's marble statue of Moses, created for the tomb of Pope Julius II. No words are pronounced, and none need to be as Mr. Antonioni's slowly moving camera caresses the curves and textures of the monumental artwork while it closes in on his own aging, almost translucent flesh. Crosscutting between his own clouded eyes and the frozen, eternal regard of the sculpture, the director establishes a dialogue across time. The artist ages; the art does not. This wise, reverberating piece contains unspoken volumes. $27.98, R.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Identificacion di Una Donna is really bad and cheesy. The John Foxx soundtrack doesn't help.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
I'm watching The Passenger on DVD. Full thoughts later. I must give it up to Jack Nicholson's audio commentary: a model of intelligence and concision (stamina too, as it sounds like he's got strep throat). He knows when to shut up and let us watch the narrative and shows real insight into Antonioni's methods.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 27 April 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

cannae wait to get this.

25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
Major retro upcoming at BAM NYC, with a restored print of Red Desert:

http://bam.org/film/series.aspx?id=83

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
any besides me & Ian want to see Red Desert Sun night? I'd prefer 7 if I can leave Feist early.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

oops, missed this. i would have gone.

sleep (sleep), Friday, 23 June 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

oops, misread. i can't make it though.

sleep (sleep), Friday, 23 June 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

RD color print was stunning. Moreso than in his other films, tho, it's too bad Monica Vitti wasn't a better actress.

I was kind of amazed that BAM sold out the big theater at 7 on a Sunday, and nearly did at 9:30.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think it's vitti's fault in that film. it's a bit of a myth that antonioni characters are ciphers or part of the landscape or numb, but fairly true of her character in 'red desert'. i'm divided about it. such a beautiful film but maybe hysterical about industrialism?

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

Her illness really isn't rendered with much more sophistication than in The Snake Pit.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

the landscape/colour does the rendering on her behalf.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

Have you all read Pauline Kael's review?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

why in god's name would i want to do that?

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

probably 20 years ago...did she like it? (I also watched Il Grido over the weekend, his working-class bummer that she loved.)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

I agreed with most of the review. I've never quite forgotten the lameness of Vitti standing in the fog with those men posed like sentinels. it seemed at the time like the end of something – that Antonioni had to find other subjects beside posh European anomie (like, say, posh Swinging London anomie)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

Just watched The Passenger DVD with Nicholson commentary, about which Alfred is OTM. (for one thing I wd never have guessed the explanation of how the camera got through the window bars -- it's xtreme!)

I still have no idea where the hell folks saw the assassin reflected in something in penultimate shot.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

I still have no idea where the hell folks saw the assassin reflected in something in penultimate shot.

it's a shadow on the wall, apparently.

now, the big q with the film is: is schneider daisy, and when she speaks to the assassin's driver, does she know him already?

the film was ineptly reviewed on re-release here.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

Nicholson's commentary was so good that I wish he'd devote a lecture to Antonioni and '60s foreign cinema, about which he seems to know so much.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

Jack actually used the word "filigree" at one point. Plus there was comic relief like "Good ol Avis."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...
Rescreened L'Eclisse; it's now my favorite of the trilogy (Alain Delon, rrowrr). The one with the most pronounced influence on Hou Hsiao Hsien too.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

now, the big q with the film is: is schneider daisy, and when she speaks to the assassin's driver, does she know him already?

the film was ineptly reviewed on re-release here.

It says "Robertson" on her passport!

xave (xave), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

i was kinda hoping that amateurist had revived this

t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

I might have to get the recent noshame cronaca di un amore dvd.

The Redd 47 Ronin (Ken L), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

It says "Robertson" on her passport!

holy fuck bro!

this is mega.

benrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
Finally watched "l'avventura" last night. Several genius set pieces. My favorite bit was in the sequence w/Vitti being surrounded by all those men in the street: Ferzetti goes into the hostel to see if Massari is there. We see him come out a little while later and there is a woman walking close behind him. We can't see all of her until they get out on the street and we realize that it is just some woman, not Massari. Great payoff. Funny too. I'll probably watch L'Eclisse tomorrow, and La Notte is at the the top of my Netflix queue.

The Dusty Baker Selection (Charles McCain), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

I was kinda shocked that Paul Schrader picked La Notte as his best Antonioni film, I think it's easily the weakest of the three, L'Eclisse most vivid.

Reading a Manny Farber collection -- he refers to "Jeanne Morose" and "Monica Unvital."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

You're right about L'Eclisse; I now prefer it to L'Avventura.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 17 November 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

literally just finished L'Eclisse about five minutes ago. Need to absorb it, but some initial thoughts:

-Alain Delon makes the movie. So much more personality then all the other guys (in this and L'Avventura)

-If it's not there already, the "Monica Vitti Pretends To Be African" sequence needs to be in the ILX 100 Most Racially Akward Film Scenes

-That last shot of the streetlight has gotta be up there with the lit cigarette in Two Or Three Things I Know About Her as the greatest 60s Art Film Closing Money Shots.

The Dusty Baker Selection (Charles McCain), Saturday, 18 November 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

-If it's not there already, the "Monica Vitti Pretends To Be African" sequence needs to be in the ILX 100 Most Racially Akward Film Scenes

it does! i presume the joke's on vitti and her friend, right? at least, i hope.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 18 November 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

Alain Delon's sexual charge is so potent that it takes all of Antonioni's skill to prevent Delon from derailing the project.

Also: nice to see Bunuel regular Paco Rabal as Vitti's husband.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 18 November 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

Several US exhibitors apparently just snipped off the last six minutes. "hey, no stars!"

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...
five us are showing 'the passenger' tonight.

not re-titled 'csi: chad' oddly.

That one guy that quit, Saturday, 14 April 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

more like 'yawntonioni' amirite

did someone beat me to that one

god i hope not

deeznuts, Saturday, 14 April 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

or wait no antoniyawni fuck

deeznuts, Saturday, 14 April 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

someone beat you by about four decades to the funnier antoniennui, dickweed.

That one guy that quit, Saturday, 14 April 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

yeah but that could technically be construed as value neutral, asswipe

deeznuts, Saturday, 14 April 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i think it probably was, fartface

That one guy that quit, Saturday, 14 April 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

guys guys guys, you're both assholes.

I am going to watch "The Passenger" soon.

Frogman Henry, Saturday, 14 April 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

The Antonioni retro presented by Cinecittà Holding is gonna be in town (Houston) in September. However, the schedule won't go public for a couple of months. I'd like to ask anyone who's see this program what is exactly in it? Is it a complete works program, or just a sampling?

C. Grisso/McCain, Monday, 18 June 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

Sweet Jesus... now Antonioni is gone.

Now I truly am depressed. :(

Eric H., Tuesday, 31 July 2007 09:15 (eighteen years ago)

three years pass...

The MFAH ran the restored version of Le Amiche as awards ceremony counterprogramming this weekend. An amazing piece of work and probably my favorite of his early films.

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 28 February 2011 07:32 (fifteen years ago)

six months pass...

donna rouge & I saw Red Desert last night, and were both thinking of Safe (maybe my least favorite Haynes movie; that's no accident:

"When I was talking to Alex Nepomniaschy, the director of photography, the first time, he asked, 'Have you seen Red Desert? It's the first film that came to my mind when I read your script.' I hadn't seen it, and so he got me a tape and I looked at it. It's a beautiful film, but I was really inspired even more by the technical rigidity and control that you see in Antonioni. I knew that Safe would be done in long shot."

http://focusfeatures.com/article/film_is_images__todd_haynes_on_safe

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 September 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)

donna rouge is in nyc?

Pizzataco Five (admrl), Monday, 12 September 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)

briefly!

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 September 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)

My least favorite of the major Antonionis, although I'd love to watch it in a theatre.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 September 2011 21:36 (fourteen years ago)

i've watched red desert a lot and i'm convinced it's just vacant. that antonioni sets up this loose associations between industrial pollution, antiseptic environments, and monica vitti's malaise such that the audience can connect the dots in whatever "meaningful" way they want. i suppose this reads like a standard critique of art cinema in general but this film really seems to trade a little too much on this gesture.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:13 (fourteen years ago)

J.Ro, I think, said Vitti plays it a little too 'crazy,' which I think is true.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:21 (fourteen years ago)

I was a sucker for this kind of anomie in college but when I saw RD in '94 for the first time I found Vitti's performance a tremulous, teary bore (the sort of thing Carol Burnett might parody) and the setpieces laughable.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:30 (fourteen years ago)

I do like her and Richard Harris, who should always have been dubbed in Italian. Also the wrapup of that sexually edgy scene in the eaterfront shack, with the fog and the car.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:38 (fourteen years ago)

wow I forgot he was in it -- a bit like Jack Palance in Contempt.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:42 (fourteen years ago)

My brain was asleep early on -- what was Jack burning in his yard in the flashback, besides tree limbs, if anything?
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, December 5, 2005 9:14 AM (5 years ago)

he was burning the part of the script that explains what he was burning.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, December 5, 2005 10:23 AM (5 years ago)

i can't lie, i made a funny.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:45 (fourteen years ago)

^^I actually think of that exchange every time I see that scene.

Status Update...in my Seether? (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:54 (fourteen years ago)

Contempt, another film Red Desert surpasses.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:55 (fourteen years ago)

please, share more of your brilliant insights....

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:06 (fourteen years ago)

*stares into toxic smoking dump*

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:11 (fourteen years ago)

Contempt isn't a great movie either but at least there's something human in it and not friezes of beautiful people wreathed in fog on docks.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:22 (fourteen years ago)

married people fighting, not the kinda humans I can endure for long (unless it's Albee dialogue)

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:35 (fourteen years ago)

I thought you loved screwball comedy?

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:39 (fourteen years ago)

l'avventura is the movie I watch when I'm feeling out of sorts, sometimes La Notte too. I usually fall asleep before it's over. It's one of the few films I never tire of repeated viewing. Contempt always gives me really bad nightmares about harsh arguments with my girlfriend, never fails.

JacobSanders, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:43 (fourteen years ago)

Antonioni's films didn't age well.
parts of them look now like a parody of art-films where the overused images of alienation are often too obvious and the film take itself too seriously.

nostormo, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:43 (fourteen years ago)

L'Avventura, L'Eclisse, and The Passenger are the only ones I can still watch.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:45 (fourteen years ago)

same here, minus Eclisse

nostormo, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:46 (fourteen years ago)

at least Godard was (sometimes) funny and took more risks

nostormo, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:47 (fourteen years ago)

I went through a phase nineteen years ago when I loved him so much that I wrote a modern college take on L'Avventura.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:47 (fourteen years ago)

nah Godard is grisly too.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:48 (fourteen years ago)

i watched Weekend the other day and quite enjoyed it still

nostormo, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:49 (fourteen years ago)

five months pass...

http://www.mrbongo.com/product/chung-kuo-china-1439

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 4 March 2012 10:37 (fourteen years ago)

^Vaguely interested in this one.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 4 March 2012 10:40 (fourteen years ago)

ten months pass...

http://pleasurephoto.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/antonioni-e-monica-vitti-sul-set-di-deserto-rosso-1964.jpg

moët plaudit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 21 January 2013 22:08 (thirteen years ago)

From Geoff Dyer's ZONA:

"Antonioni's RED DESERT (1964) would, as the title suggests, be unimaginable without the colour. The colour - Monica Vitti's green coat - is what makes it wonderful but for the thirty-four-year-old Tarkovsky, interviewed in 1966, the year he completed his second feature, ANDREI RUBLEV, it was 'the worst of his films after The Cry.' Because of the colour, because Antonioni got so seduced by 'Monica Vitti's red hair against the mists', because 'the colour has killed the feeling of truth.'"

Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 January 2013 22:48 (thirteen years ago)

And Oshima banned Green from his movies...jeez guys its ok I know it signifies YES when you all should be about NEGATION but calm the fuck down its gonna be ok in the end.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 January 2013 22:52 (thirteen years ago)

maybe he just hated foliage, islam and panathanaikos

moët plaudit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 21 January 2013 22:56 (thirteen years ago)

i like this pic of the maestro, too;

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0doinCwHo1qfziuio1_500.jpg

Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 January 2013 22:59 (thirteen years ago)

what is that tshirt supposed to say

moët plaudit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 21 January 2013 23:02 (thirteen years ago)

i expect it explains what he was burning

Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 January 2013 23:08 (thirteen years ago)

'dull zizek' maybe?

moët plaudit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 21 January 2013 23:11 (thirteen years ago)

five months pass...

new 35mm restoration of L'Avventura running in NY & LA

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 July 2013 11:50 (twelve years ago)

Might have to see it.

Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 July 2013 18:34 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...
three months pass...
two years pass...

just had my first viewing of a 35mm print of Zabriskie Point in maybe 20 years... who the hell could call this a "bad" film? It's brilliantly made, whatever its flaws or coy mysteries. And one of the best climaxes ever.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 December 2017 04:31 (eight years ago)

You gotta see the 1970 Dick Cavett Show episode with the two Zabriskie leads, if you haven't already. Mark Frechette's real life story is crazy.

Josefa, Monday, 18 December 2017 05:18 (eight years ago)

I know most of it... Daria Halprin is a more expressive performer, but i though they were both fine.

I never remember to look for Harrison Ford in the prison cell. Nor did I recognize Philip Baker Hall.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 December 2017 19:14 (eight years ago)

Mark Flechette sure was yummy!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 December 2017 19:32 (eight years ago)

Freudian slip?

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Monday, 18 December 2017 19:33 (eight years ago)

seven months pass...

wtf Zabriskie Point is amazing

flappy bird, Thursday, 9 August 2018 03:42 (seven years ago)

everyone told me it was boring, avoid it, "see Blow-Up instead." Blow-Up sucks. this was incredible

flappy bird, Thursday, 9 August 2018 03:42 (seven years ago)

good lord yes:

And one of the best climaxes ever.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, December 17, 2017 11:31 PM (seven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

flappy bird, Thursday, 9 August 2018 03:43 (seven years ago)

two months pass...

just starting to watch Antonioni films again. loved Le Amiche, but L'Avventura was baffling to me, for a second time

Dan S, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 02:28 (seven years ago)

L'Avventura meant enough to me at 20 that I wrote my own script updated for the modern era. La Notte is what I re-watch.

The Other Side of the Wind has a sexier version of Zabriskie Point as its film-within-a-film.

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 02:38 (seven years ago)

sorry Orson, you didn't know arty sexploitation from Antonioni...

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 02:46 (seven years ago)

you don't know from passive screen boys

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 02:50 (seven years ago)

lol

planning to see La Notte and L'Eclisse next

haven't been able to watch Il Grido

Dan S, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 03:00 (seven years ago)

four weeks pass...

interesting to see the progression from L'Avventura to La Notte to L'Elclisse. it seems that all his films about people talking about their feelings

Dan S, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:08 (seven years ago)

*are* about

Dan S, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:09 (seven years ago)

well you gotta either talk about em or not talk about em

j., Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:15 (seven years ago)

love Alain Delon and Monica Vitti

Dan S, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:38 (seven years ago)

and Marcello Mastroianni and Jeanne Moreau

Dan S, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:45 (seven years ago)

Vitti and Delon are remarkably blank and emotionally absent in L’Eclisse, and the depiction of their alienation feels more and more oppressive as the film goes along

Dan S, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 05:55 (seven years ago)

still not sure what its title refers to, was thinking maybe it had something to do with what Rosenbaum referred to as “Antonioni’s preoccupation with objects and spaces overtaking and supplanting people”

Dan S, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 06:12 (seven years ago)

really liked Il Grido, Antonioni’s “working class bummer” (to use morbs’ words). it has the themes of alienation and ennui of later films but with a more conventional, albeit meandering, story. loved every minute of seeing Steve Cochran on screen

Dan S, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 07:21 (seven years ago)

Red Desert is next on my list. I remember seeing it in college and thinking of it primarily as a visual experience, as something to love just for its aesthetic appeal. If that's the only level I relate to it on at a second viewing, that will again be enough I think

Dan S, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 07:33 (seven years ago)

three weeks pass...

at the moment I think I love Red Desert more than any other Antonioni movie

Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 02:32 (seven years ago)

Bradshaw compared it to Alphaville and Solaris in it’s sci-fi eeriness and suggested that it may have been an inspiration for Lucrecia Martel’s The Headless Woman (which I *really* loved), but watching it again I’m wondering if Todd Haynes was influenced by it when he made Safe

Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 02:33 (seven years ago)

the experience of alienation in modern society expressed as fear of environmental poisoning, filmed in a surreal manner and playing out as a horror movie

Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 02:39 (seven years ago)

good call, I could see that. and the Solaris connection - particularly the fire juxtaposed against all the gray

flappy bird, Friday, 4 January 2019 02:54 (seven years ago)

I loved the juxtaposition of painted color and gray in the film

Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 03:23 (seven years ago)

Can't think of any movies with the color palette of Red Desert. it's really startling, particularly that first shot of flames shooting out of the factory

flappy bird, Friday, 4 January 2019 03:45 (seven years ago)

re: Red Desert and Safe: it feels like there is something very deep about the spiritual malaise of the Monica Vitti and Julianne Moore characters in the two films

Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 04:06 (seven years ago)

in my young adult life among my friends Blow Up was considered THE Antonioni film. I'm interested to see it and Zabriskie Point again. I loved both of them at the time

Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 04:37 (seven years ago)

watching Blow Up again, I'm not sure I understand exactly what it’s about. I feel like I'm not giving enough of myself to it to really appreciate it

Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 02:34 (seven years ago)

the mystery seems incidental, I read somewhere it's a film about someone waking up from a numbing life and living fully for a moment, that makes sense to me

Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 02:44 (seven years ago)

liked the Ebert review of Zabriskie Point:

!https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/zabriskie-point-1970

"Michelangelo Antonioni is a fitfully brilliant director whose best, and basic, insight is that the fashionable cultivation of boredom can break down our ability to feel and love. In the 1950s, it seemed to him, people became so shy of spontaneity that they lost the knack. His characters were so alienated and spiritually exhausted they could hardly even get through breakfast together.

We loved it. "Eclipse" (1962) had us leaving the theater feeling deliciously betrayed and alone. "Blow-Up" (1966) was even better. It was set in swinging London and left us feeling betrayed, alone, and with-it. In between, Antonioni gave us "The Red Desert" (1964), possibly the most passive and empty serious movie of the decade."

Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 04:26 (seven years ago)

"possibly the most passive and empty serious movie of the decade" also one of the best

Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 04:29 (seven years ago)

saw The Passenger again. I had forgotten how amazing the ending was in the way it resolved the story, shot first through the bars of a window in a room at the Gloria Hotel looking outside, then moving through the bars to the courtyard, then looking back again through the bars into the room

Dan S, Thursday, 31 January 2019 02:34 (seven years ago)

eleven months pass...

What helluva film L'Avventura remains. My seventh or eighth viewing, this time with a superb Gene Youngblood commentary track.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 January 2020 19:35 (six years ago)

three months pass...

Michelangelo Antonioni on the set of Zabriskie Point in 1968, photographed by Bruce Davidson. pic.twitter.com/0K7mW9TYTE

— 💜💜ค Ŧคภ๒๏ץ кภ๏ฬร ค ђคՇєг💜💜 (@NickPinkerton) April 23, 2020

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 April 2020 17:39 (five years ago)

That's so you don't catch him smiling.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 April 2020 17:40 (five years ago)


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