saw l'avventura the other night for the first time and was struck immediately by its beauty and strangeness, the astonishing precision of the choreography and editing to map complex, sometimes quite elusive, relationships between the characters. other times it smacks you over the head with something, but even then (as when monica vitti wanders outside in a sea of lecherous men) there's the possibility of something astonishing. this also has one of the most striking concluding shots i know. and that music will not get out of my head.
what 'm not sure i dig really is the politics of the film, if it can be said to have a politics. this film made an enormous splash when it came out--really one can count on one hand the number of films whose impact on critics, filmmakers, and audiences was so great (although: lasting? the film briefly appeared on the S&S top ten list, in number 2 just behind citizen kane!, in 1962, just two years after its release; it then vanished from the upper reaches of the poll completely, probably for good)--and it was largely interpreted as a comment on the distractions and emotional vacuity of the upper classes, if not a comment on the "modern way of life" (antonioni's own unbearably smug comments on his own films encouraged this sort of chatter). but what strikes me about the film is a fascination with the rich that (a) doesn't really seem to undersand them (as say visconti does), and simply swaps a fantasy of the ecstatically carefree rich for one of the hopelessly adrift rich; (b) exhibits a contempt for the poor or working-class. the roughneck men who ogle monica vitti are used like a grotesque manifestation of man's baser instincts, but the camera itself isn't above fondling ms vitti and the other woman rather doggedly--this film is among other things very much about the nape of her neck, the cracks in her lips, the streaks in her hair, and her spindly legs. there seems to be a hypocrisy here. also the prostitute toward the end of the film is handled rather...coarsely, as some kind of vampire, in fact she's shown only by her feet as i recall, or her legs. and the couple owning the grocery store is referred to by the male lead--quite ironically--as "charming," and we're supposed to laugh.
ok then there's what i guess was the most radical part of the film, which i think remains bold and effective: its narrative form. the mysterious disappearance (and the scene in which she disappears is orchestrated perfectly, sometimes poor dubbing not withstanding) and the search which is abandoned or forgotten in almost imperceptible stages, leading to a conclusion of striking ambiguity. this sort of open-endedness has become shorthand in some circles (mostly non-critical ones; just film buffs and other aesthetes who came of tastemaking age in the 60s) for "intelligent filmmaking," a situation that bugs me to no end. but it works here, and even if this basic narrative notion isn't so much profound as it is clever, antonioni works it with a facility (as noted above) few of his adherents can claim.
yeah so i've seen a few other of his films. i find that the psuedo-ideas, and the discomforting touristic and lecherous quality already to be found in l'avventura, really take over "blow up" and "zabriskie point" which i find MUCH less compelling stylistically as well. what i adore though are those early films i've had a chance to see, from les amiches to cronaca di un amore ("story of a love affair"), which are surprisingly concise and even straightforward late neorealistic films enhanced and rendered indelible by antonioni's choreographic style. i can see why they remained relatively below the radar, as their overall narrative design can't be said to be as obviously epoch-making as l'avventura's, but even so they have some interesting aspects there too.
yeah so i've also seen l'ecclisse which i found both less frustrating and (save for the ending and the lengthy seduction scene) a bit less fascinating than l'avventura, but more or less i had the same sort of reactions. what's funny is that the former should have prepared me for the latter given that fact, but i still was really blown away by l'avventura.
i'm rambling now sorry.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)
i've only seen one early funny one, 'chronicle of a love' -- it's okay, but i need to see it agane. sam rohdie (ex screen editor) says the early ones are best.
best writing i've seen on antonioni is noel burch 'theory of film practice' (1967).
― enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)
more later...
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)
this does kind of tie in to antonioni but i have to check on a reel of film so i'll leave it to others...
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)
I think this is probably a hypocrisy the film is very much aware of--everyone in the film is in some ways a victim of base sexuality. the film defines the women that way because antonioni believes they feel that way themselves. "eros is sick" is what antonioni says right? it's too tied to dying, decaying matter. all the sexy, kittenish behavior by the women in the film feels either hollow or evasive.
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)
er, i can't quite get at what i'm feeling, but what's base?
― enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― pulpo, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)
-psycho and l'avventura = lead disappears early-the lady vanishes -- well! obviously-rear window = blow up-north by northwest = the passenger
― enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)
perhaps the scene where vitti becomes surrounded by lecherous men is meant to make plain one theme of the film, and it does play that way to some extent, but it's still telling that he chose one of the view scenes fea. non-rich people to make the point, and the men are clearly working-class "types." also dont forget the scene where the singer is mobbed by fans screaming horrifically...this was my least favorite part of the film by far.... it felt like a didactic little sideline about decadent celebrity and the masses blah blah blah...the sort of tone-deaf "observational" material that makes up the bulk of "zabriskie pt" and "blow up". just notice the precise way the main characters are choreographed, the EROTIC way (even if the film distances itself from eros in different ways) compared to the unseemly sulking and surging of the riffraff...
tracer why did you know it was my thread?
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)
I agree completely--L'avventura definetly works best as a mood piece.
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)
at the time sight and sound said:
'film is about human relationships, not about spatial relationships' w/r/t antonioni. but of course the way cinema expresses human relationships is spatial -- and the themes of his films are very much of their times, you could call him an 'existentialist'. the blankness in his films corresponds to what he thinks are shallow characters.
― enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)
the "spatial relationships" comment i believe came from lindsay anderson or one of the S&S crowd in reaction to a perceived formalism taking hold...it might have even been robin wood's work at the time that sparked that comment (wood has since psuedo-renounced his earliest film writing).
i tend to be sympathetic to the formalist tendency b/c i think art has its own imperatives sometimes, certain abstract patterns and formal designs that have an appeal in themself--but even more b/c i think the notion of what "human relationships" means is this context is impoverished and didactic.... things that would seem hopelessly abstract and unengaged to a self-proclaimed humanist seem the very stuff of life--or one part of it--to me. granted too many critics skip over the interesting part--the observation of how films are put together and how they achieve certain affects--right to the airy theorizing, which is perhaps what anderson et al were reacting against, but i think it was the wrong (and a much too defensive) reaction...
ok back to antonioni.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)
i dont know exactly what it "does well" - that's partly why i am using such vague terms. what i like about antonioni, and other filmmakers with similarly sleepy styles, is the emphasis on time. there is a feel of waiting, lingering, or even a vigil. thats something im not sure is in other art forms.
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)
and the thing about speed in film is that it is conveyed through editing, etc. but with long takes the time is literally there, and it's not suggested through artistic means.
i honestly don't really know what i am getting at here, just making some observations.
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)
But the very heavy deliberate laboriousness with which it was constructed put me off from whatever immediate striking effect it was supposed to have. There's a sense of imbalance that's almost comical, putting such narrative and emotional weight on what is a fairly casual gesture, in addition to the obviousness of the wall/vista split-screen. This is a general aesthetic bugbear of mine, not specific to Antonioni, but watching L'Avventura definitely set it off.
― pantalaimon (synkro), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)
Antonioni's conceptual sequel to Blow-Up is an Italian leftist's goofball cinematic view of late '60s American counterculture. It features a long sequence with nude couples making love in the desert, for which Antonioni wanted Fahey to do the music. When Fahey arrived in Rome, Antonioni showed him the segment in a screening room. "Antonioni says, 'What I want you to do is to compose some music that will go along with the porno scene.' I kept saying, 'Yes, sir.' Then he starts this, 'Now, John. This is young love. Young love.' I mean, that's young love? All these bodies? 'Young love. But John, it's in the desert, where's there's death. But it's young love.' He kept going, 'Young Love/Death' faster and faster. I was sure I was talking to a madman. I'm still sure I was.
"So I experimented. I had instrumentalists come in and told them just to play whatever they felt like. They had to pretend to understand what I was talking about, especially if Antonioni came in the room. That was fun. They were very cooperative. I came up with some sections of music that sounded more like death than young love. It was actually pretty ominous. I played it for Michaelangelo and he thought it was great. So he took me out to dinner at this really fancy restaurant and started telling me how horrible the United States was. We were drinking a lot of wine and I don't remember which one of us started cussing. It started real fast and ended in a fistfight. You have no idea how much that guy hates the United States. What a jerk. I did like 20-25 minutes, but they only used about two minutes. Somebody's driving along in the car and the announcer says, 'And now some John Fahey.' And that's it -- young love and death."
― hstencil, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― pantalaimon (synkro), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)
(I'll take Antonioni over Fahey anyday.)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)
I've also had problems with Red Desert, though I'm told that it really needs multiple viewings to turn out. I don't know about that...I mean, it's been four months since I last saw it, and I was drinking some gin at a bar last night and thinking...I should see Red Desert again. It could comfort me, and I shouldn't have left it like I did - you see, it put me on the spot, and since then I've been just watching lots of other Italian New Wave directors, mostly one at a time, trying to prove to myself that I don't need Red Desert. Should I go back to it?
(I've definitely earned someone's undying hatred with this one.)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― jones (actual), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)
I love La Notte too! And Girolamo, Red Desert is far from my favorite of his, but I think it does reward repeated viewings. Anyway, I think he's my favorite director, and L'Eclisse probably my favorite film. Or at least I considered them as such at one point, i'm finding it hard to think in terms of favorites these days. I've seen everything he's done, including the early shorts, save for his 4 hour China documentary and Identification of a Woman (I actually own the latter on VHS but I'm waiting to see it on the big screen; someplace near me, screen the damn thing already!)
I want to scribble more thoughts but I've been kinda busy today ... hopefully tonight I can add some more.
― Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 20 November 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― theodore fogelsanger, Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― man, Thursday, 20 November 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)
(apologies...)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)
what do people think of "blow up"? who else has read j. hoberman's piece on its enormous success?
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 07:36 (twenty-one years ago)
do you mean gillian hills or jane birkin????
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 10 September 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 September 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 10 September 2004 07:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dead Man, Friday, 10 September 2004 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)
we've dealt with this, upthread.
no it's not getting a release. someone copied me the japanese dvd.
― amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― todd swiss (eliti), Friday, 10 September 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)
i will have to look into this.
― todd swiss (eliti), Friday, 10 September 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)
:P
― Dan I., Friday, 10 September 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)
This wins!
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)
For sure. Also Rossellini's General Della Rovere. Um, and Along Came Jones, I suppose.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)
I'm just in love with the SOUND and COLOR of the film. All those clanging and wheezing oil rigs and freighters, that industrial machinery interrupting everybody's conversations at every turn. That big belch of steam that erupts at the beginning of the film, when the two men are trying to have a conversation. The juxtaposition of the idyllic story of the tropical island that the Vitti character tells her son at the end of the movie, with the ugly gaseous drilling fields she leads him past. The grey colors of the cityscape (physically painted to look that way - no filters here). The fog.
― Reed Moore (diamond), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)
His whole thing in that classic string of mid-60s films is basically good ol' bourgeois alienation and pretense -- how banal, right? -- but I think he's basically the master. His characters have a bit more depth and range of emotion than, say, the Bergman depressoids.
― Reed Moore (diamond), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tonight at ten (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Reed Moore (diamond), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:09 (twenty-one years ago)
i guess a semi-exception is in red desert, where vitti's character makes several abortive attempts to explain her feelings (to her husband's friend and to a stranger IIRC). these scenes were difficult for me. the monologues have the unconnected quality of genuine desperation and confusion, and i experience feelings similar to when a certain friend pours out her angst for the umpteenth time... i wanted to be sympathetic but i was more pitying and a bit fed-up. i say "semi-exception" because while the character is unusually talkative for antonioni, it's not clear she's communicating anything at all.
ok, so antonioni's "theme" is the difficulty of communication between human beings in the modern world. well that's how many people have chosen to read it, anyway. it's become cant. i think people see an antonioni movie now expecting it to be "about" this. but i suspect that this "reading" is just a reduction, just an attempt to fill in spaces left by the elliptical narration and presentation of character. a way of reducing the film to an assimilable statement abt modern life. when--as i noted above--for me antonioni films are more (to be vulgar) mood pieces than anything else. if such visual phenomena as characters bobbing in and out of frame in patterns that have no obvious thematic meaning but tons of graphic dynamism can be considered contributors to mood.
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tonight at ten (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tonight at ten (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)
fellini is always pretty obvious. take la strada. please.
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tonight at ten (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tonight at ten (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)
I can't tell you many tiny little mini-scenes - devoid of dialogue - have permanently wormed there way into my consciousness. I can't be standing underneath a tree at midnight, as the wind loudly rustles the leaves, and not think of those park scenes in Blow Up. Or, the sound of clanging of ropes against flagpoles instantly transports me to that little shot in L'Eclisse where the Vitti character is running along after her friend as the flagpoles do just that...
actually, I should qualify that "weird-ass modernism" thing; modernist architecture strikes me as anything but weird -- the cellular structure and all that. But with Antonioni it's all in the framing; that's the thing -- he makes the mundane seem weird by isolating certain of its aspects. Like in that shot mentioned above, i'm assuming it's some standard multi-level living structure, but he frames the character standing on the roof in a cutaway -- this guy standing atop this strange geometric shape pointing at the sky -- which really just sort of emphasizes the odd character of contemporary life and our relationship with our physical envirmonment.
I mean, there's a laundry list of memorable scenes where he does this -- in Il Grido (those weird-ass spool things. wtf?), in the Red Desert stuff I mentioned, in La Notte when the Moreau character goes off by herself to explore the city .. even the relatively poor Zabriskie Point is just FILLED with this shit .. the Rauschenbergesque framings when the lead male character flees the campus and drives his truck through the city, the silly interlude with the development firm that "Daria" works for, and of course that odd cottage which explodes in a Wonder Bread frenzy at the end..
Fuck, I dunno .. Yeah, I love the guy for his striking imagery above all. But I do think in that halting dialogue, that inability to communicate -- he presents a sort of alternate "depth of character". or something.
― Reed Moore (diamond), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)
yes, i agree completely. to some extent, this is what most art does. more specifically, i think antonioni is good at exploting the geometries of urban architecture in ways that render them unfamiliar (often excitingly so)..
ozu is another who does this. he manages to make even the most mundane office building strange and beautiful. in fact, when i saw an inn in tokyo (1935), with its boldly framed shots of hulking, derelict industrial equipment in a barren suburban landscape, i thought "antonioni!"
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)
Formed thoughts forthcoming. I didn't think about my fingernails -- I can say that much already. The music was quite sticky.
― Tonight at ten (kenan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 16 September 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 16 September 2004 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!st, Thursday, 16 September 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)
london has an antonioni season on now. because of soime fuxoring american cousins who have decided to ruin my life, i'm missing half of it, but i did see 'la notte' saturday. i love antonioni.
but they aren't showing 'the passenger'. for some crazy reason, presumably rights-related, they could only show it IF MICHELANGELO HIMSELF ATTENDED. needles to say, this didn't happen.
― N_Rq, Monday, 13 June 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)
― Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Monday, 13 June 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)
I know I'm prone to gushing and over-effusion sometimes on these boards, but really, it was so very, very good.
― Corcoran (nordicskilla), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)
― nickn (nickn), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)
I put off watching The Passenger for a long time ('cause Zabriskie Hurts) and when I finally saw it a few years ago I was completely blown away -- I need to see it again
― milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)
I still haven't dared to see Zabriskie Point.
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)
I also can't believe the Malaga scenes at the end of the film - that town is such a horrible tourist pit now. It actually used to look classy (or at least peaceful, in a desolate sort of way).
― Corcoran (nordicskilla), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)
You can see the camera operator reflected in the french window. The man must be a brute.
― Corcoran (nordicskilla), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)
(i don't know how much of a difference those extra six or something minutes they put back in really makes, though)
― spontine (cis), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)
I haven't seen the early stuff in eons.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)
― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)
― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)
Forgot to look for this. I did notice the first time Jack says "What the fuck are you doing with me?" (under the tree), it's clearly dubbed as his lips aren't moving, which suggests it was done to make the line resonate in the last hotel scene.
Second time I'd seen The Passenger (first since mid to late '80s); hadn't remembered hardly anything but the famed next-to-last shot ... I do think it stands with Blowup at a minimum; i'll probably work my way backwardish through his oeuvre now. Nicholson's probably never given a more somber and natural performance, even in his '69-75 Arthouse Bogart run (which this capped). I though Maria Schneider was speaking English phonetically, but her movements seem similarly stilted (when she puts her hand on Jack's shoulder, elbow stiff).
My brain was asleep early on -- what was Jack burning in his yard in the flashback, besides tree limbs, if anything?
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)
I thought that was the reflection of the assassain.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 5 December 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)
I see Ebert upgraded the pan from his original review, so he is getting smarter (in some cases).
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)
Still, I wanna see it again.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)
Tracer Hand otm. The filmmaker can't expect us to do his work for him PLUS give us the most somnolent raw materials.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)
i don't think it's a boring film, and i also don't tend to try to remake "boring" into a superlative, a positive quality. certain films may displaced my interest from the sort of things you ususally focus on in films (character psychology/goals, etc.) onto other things (milieu, intricacies of visual and sound design) but that doesn't make them boring, just compelling in different ways from the norm.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)
ok, well i'm not sure what needs to be filled in as to why he "does what he does." it's pretty clear at the beginning that he's just had it with his assignment, and his life. as for the identity he assumes, if everything was revealed as or during he assumed it, it'd be an incredibly boring movie. most (tho not all) about the dead guy is revealed to the viewer in the same way that nicholson's character receives it, and thus, there's a story (a thriller, even).
the schneider character is a total blank in terms of psychology--she doesn't even have a name, a backstory, anything.
not entirely, she claims she's an architecture student. but it isn't really that important, she's basically the "mysterious female" type as in most thrillers/mysteries.
we can choose to fill in such blanks in many ways (or to interpret the blanks as having some greater metaphysical, political, etc. meaning) but the fact that the blanks are flaunted so obviously perhaps makes such activity seem a bit pointless, as far as a longtime critic is concerned.
there isn't much to "interpret," there's a lot there in the film. i think if antonioni had spelled out things more, it'd be a much weaker movie.
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)
anyway, yeah, Passenger making the rounds finally. Jack finally let it loose again .. Saw it two weeks ago, after only seeing it previously on VHS .. absolutely blown away. so glad to finally see this sucker on the big screen (only have "I Vinti", "Identification of a Woman" and the China documentary left to see before I die!!) Started re-reading the Rohdie bfi book. too late right now to read this thread .. but .. The Passenger, god yes
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 06:45 (twenty years ago)
http://www.sonyclassics.com/thepassenger/index_content.html
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 06:46 (twenty years ago)
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 06:49 (twenty years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 09:15 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)
Also, Jack Nicholson reading two articles by Antonioni on L'Avventura's DVD is a hoot, esp the one that amounts to "A thinking actor is my enemy." (Jack haw-haws this during brief Passenger reminiscences.)
Dave Kehr in the NY Times:
Eros
This three-part film on sexual themes with segments by Wong Kar-wai, Steven Soderbergh and Michelangelo Antonioni received mixed reviews when it was released theatrically last April, but its DVD release is remarkable for the one great extra it contains: "Michelangelo Eye to Eye," a 19-minute short directed by Mr. Antonioni and included here out of the sheer goodness of Warner Home Video's heart.
Largely silent, with the exception of some choral music by Palestrina that rises slowly during the film's last five minutes, "Eye to Eye" depicts the 93-year-old Italian filmmaker (effectively rendered mute by a stroke in 1985) as he pays a visit to a work by another Michelangelo: the sculptor's marble statue of Moses, created for the tomb of Pope Julius II. No words are pronounced, and none need to be as Mr. Antonioni's slowly moving camera caresses the curves and textures of the monumental artwork while it closes in on his own aging, almost translucent flesh. Crosscutting between his own clouded eyes and the frozen, eternal regard of the sculpture, the director establishes a dialogue across time. The artist ages; the art does not. This wise, reverberating piece contains unspoken volumes. $27.98, R.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 27 April 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)
― 25 yr old undercover cop (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)
http://bam.org/film/series.aspx?id=83
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)
― sleep (sleep), Friday, 23 June 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)
― sleep (sleep), Friday, 23 June 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)
I was kind of amazed that BAM sold out the big theater at 7 on a Sunday, and nearly did at 9:30.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)
I still have no idea where the hell folks saw the assassin reflected in something in penultimate shot.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)
it's a shadow on the wall, apparently.
now, the big q with the film is: is schneider daisy, and when she speaks to the assassin's driver, does she know him already?
the film was ineptly reviewed on re-release here.
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)
It says "Robertson" on her passport!
― xave (xave), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)
― t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 05:16 (nineteen years ago)
― The Redd 47 Ronin (Ken L), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 05:23 (nineteen years ago)
holy fuck bro!
this is mega.
― benrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 09:18 (nineteen years ago)
― The Dusty Baker Selection (Charles McCain), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)
Reading a Manny Farber collection -- he refers to "Jeanne Morose" and "Monica Unvital."
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 17 November 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)
-Alain Delon makes the movie. So much more personality then all the other guys (in this and L'Avventura)
-If it's not there already, the "Monica Vitti Pretends To Be African" sequence needs to be in the ILX 100 Most Racially Akward Film Scenes
-That last shot of the streetlight has gotta be up there with the lit cigarette in Two Or Three Things I Know About Her as the greatest 60s Art Film Closing Money Shots.
― The Dusty Baker Selection (Charles McCain), Saturday, 18 November 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)
it does! i presume the joke's on vitti and her friend, right? at least, i hope.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 18 November 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)
Also: nice to see Bunuel regular Paco Rabal as Vitti's husband.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 18 November 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)
― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 14 April 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)
― deeznuts, Saturday, 14 April 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)
― deeznuts, Saturday, 14 April 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)
― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 14 April 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)
― deeznuts, Saturday, 14 April 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)
― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 14 April 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)
― Frogman Henry, Saturday, 14 April 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)
The Antonioni retro presented by Cinecittà Holding is gonna be in town (Houston) in September. However, the schedule won't go public for a couple of months. I'd like to ask anyone who's see this program what is exactly in it? Is it a complete works program, or just a sampling?
― C. Grisso/McCain, Monday, 18 June 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)
Sweet Jesus... now Antonioni is gone.
Now I truly am depressed. :(
― Eric H., Tuesday, 31 July 2007 09:15 (eighteen years ago)
The MFAH ran the restored version of Le Amiche as awards ceremony counterprogramming this weekend. An amazing piece of work and probably my favorite of his early films.
― Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 28 February 2011 07:32 (fifteen years ago)
donna rouge & I saw Red Desert last night, and were both thinking of Safe (maybe my least favorite Haynes movie; that's no accident:
"When I was talking to Alex Nepomniaschy, the director of photography, the first time, he asked, 'Have you seen Red Desert? It's the first film that came to my mind when I read your script.' I hadn't seen it, and so he got me a tape and I looked at it. It's a beautiful film, but I was really inspired even more by the technical rigidity and control that you see in Antonioni. I knew that Safe would be done in long shot."
http://focusfeatures.com/article/film_is_images__todd_haynes_on_safe
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 September 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
donna rouge is in nyc?
― Pizzataco Five (admrl), Monday, 12 September 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)
briefly!
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 September 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
My least favorite of the major Antonionis, although I'd love to watch it in a theatre.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 September 2011 21:36 (fourteen years ago)
i've watched red desert a lot and i'm convinced it's just vacant. that antonioni sets up this loose associations between industrial pollution, antiseptic environments, and monica vitti's malaise such that the audience can connect the dots in whatever "meaningful" way they want. i suppose this reads like a standard critique of art cinema in general but this film really seems to trade a little too much on this gesture.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:13 (fourteen years ago)
J.Ro, I think, said Vitti plays it a little too 'crazy,' which I think is true.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:21 (fourteen years ago)
I was a sucker for this kind of anomie in college but when I saw RD in '94 for the first time I found Vitti's performance a tremulous, teary bore (the sort of thing Carol Burnett might parody) and the setpieces laughable.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:30 (fourteen years ago)
I do like her and Richard Harris, who should always have been dubbed in Italian. Also the wrapup of that sexually edgy scene in the eaterfront shack, with the fog and the car.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:38 (fourteen years ago)
wow I forgot he was in it -- a bit like Jack Palance in Contempt.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:42 (fourteen years ago)
My brain was asleep early on -- what was Jack burning in his yard in the flashback, besides tree limbs, if anything?― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, December 5, 2005 9:14 AM (5 years ago)
he was burning the part of the script that explains what he was burning.― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, December 5, 2005 10:23 AM (5 years ago)
i can't lie, i made a funny.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:45 (fourteen years ago)
^^I actually think of that exchange every time I see that scene.
― Status Update...in my Seether? (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:54 (fourteen years ago)
Contempt, another film Red Desert surpasses.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 00:55 (fourteen years ago)
please, share more of your brilliant insights....
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:06 (fourteen years ago)
*stares into toxic smoking dump*
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:11 (fourteen years ago)
Contempt isn't a great movie either but at least there's something human in it and not friezes of beautiful people wreathed in fog on docks.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:22 (fourteen years ago)
married people fighting, not the kinda humans I can endure for long (unless it's Albee dialogue)
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:35 (fourteen years ago)
I thought you loved screwball comedy?
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:39 (fourteen years ago)
l'avventura is the movie I watch when I'm feeling out of sorts, sometimes La Notte too. I usually fall asleep before it's over. It's one of the few films I never tire of repeated viewing. Contempt always gives me really bad nightmares about harsh arguments with my girlfriend, never fails.
― JacobSanders, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:43 (fourteen years ago)
Antonioni's films didn't age well.parts of them look now like a parody of art-films where the overused images of alienation are often too obvious and the film take itself too seriously.
― nostormo, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:43 (fourteen years ago)
L'Avventura, L'Eclisse, and The Passenger are the only ones I can still watch.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:45 (fourteen years ago)
same here, minus Eclisse
― nostormo, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:46 (fourteen years ago)
at least Godard was (sometimes) funny and took more risks
― nostormo, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:47 (fourteen years ago)
I went through a phase nineteen years ago when I loved him so much that I wrote a modern college take on L'Avventura.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:47 (fourteen years ago)
nah Godard is grisly too.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:48 (fourteen years ago)
i watched Weekend the other day and quite enjoyed it still
― nostormo, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 01:49 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.mrbongo.com/product/chung-kuo-china-1439
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 4 March 2012 10:37 (fourteen years ago)
^Vaguely interested in this one.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 4 March 2012 10:40 (fourteen years ago)
http://pleasurephoto.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/antonioni-e-monica-vitti-sul-set-di-deserto-rosso-1964.jpg
― moët plaudit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 21 January 2013 22:08 (thirteen years ago)
From Geoff Dyer's ZONA:
"Antonioni's RED DESERT (1964) would, as the title suggests, be unimaginable without the colour. The colour - Monica Vitti's green coat - is what makes it wonderful but for the thirty-four-year-old Tarkovsky, interviewed in 1966, the year he completed his second feature, ANDREI RUBLEV, it was 'the worst of his films after The Cry.' Because of the colour, because Antonioni got so seduced by 'Monica Vitti's red hair against the mists', because 'the colour has killed the feeling of truth.'"
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 January 2013 22:48 (thirteen years ago)
And Oshima banned Green from his movies...jeez guys its ok I know it signifies YES when you all should be about NEGATION but calm the fuck down its gonna be ok in the end.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 January 2013 22:52 (thirteen years ago)
maybe he just hated foliage, islam and panathanaikos
― moët plaudit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 21 January 2013 22:56 (thirteen years ago)
i like this pic of the maestro, too;
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0doinCwHo1qfziuio1_500.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 January 2013 22:59 (thirteen years ago)
what is that tshirt supposed to say
― moët plaudit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 21 January 2013 23:02 (thirteen years ago)
i expect it explains what he was burning
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 January 2013 23:08 (thirteen years ago)
'dull zizek' maybe?
― moët plaudit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 21 January 2013 23:11 (thirteen years ago)
new 35mm restoration of L'Avventura running in NY & LA
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 July 2013 11:50 (twelve years ago)
Might have to see it.
― Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 July 2013 18:34 (twelve years ago)
Want to go to this:http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/antonioni-show-cinematheque-francaise/?hpw&rref=t-magazine&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 10 April 2015 15:29 (ten years ago)
http://shihlun.tumblr.com/post/123834842809/roland-barthes-michelangelo-antonioni-dear-antonioni
― drash, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 10:01 (ten years ago)
just had my first viewing of a 35mm print of Zabriskie Point in maybe 20 years... who the hell could call this a "bad" film? It's brilliantly made, whatever its flaws or coy mysteries. And one of the best climaxes ever.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 December 2017 04:31 (eight years ago)
You gotta see the 1970 Dick Cavett Show episode with the two Zabriskie leads, if you haven't already. Mark Frechette's real life story is crazy.
― Josefa, Monday, 18 December 2017 05:18 (eight years ago)
I know most of it... Daria Halprin is a more expressive performer, but i though they were both fine.
I never remember to look for Harrison Ford in the prison cell. Nor did I recognize Philip Baker Hall.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 December 2017 19:14 (eight years ago)
Mark Flechette sure was yummy!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 December 2017 19:32 (eight years ago)
Freudian slip?
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Monday, 18 December 2017 19:33 (eight years ago)
wtf Zabriskie Point is amazing
― flappy bird, Thursday, 9 August 2018 03:42 (seven years ago)
everyone told me it was boring, avoid it, "see Blow-Up instead." Blow-Up sucks. this was incredible
good lord yes:
And one of the best climaxes ever.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, December 17, 2017 11:31 PM (seven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flappy bird, Thursday, 9 August 2018 03:43 (seven years ago)
just starting to watch Antonioni films again. loved Le Amiche, but L'Avventura was baffling to me, for a second time
― Dan S, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 02:28 (seven years ago)
L'Avventura meant enough to me at 20 that I wrote my own script updated for the modern era. La Notte is what I re-watch.
The Other Side of the Wind has a sexier version of Zabriskie Point as its film-within-a-film.
― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 02:38 (seven years ago)
sorry Orson, you didn't know arty sexploitation from Antonioni...
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 02:46 (seven years ago)
you don't know from passive screen boys
― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 02:50 (seven years ago)
lol
planning to see La Notte and L'Eclisse next
haven't been able to watch Il Grido
― Dan S, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 03:00 (seven years ago)
interesting to see the progression from L'Avventura to La Notte to L'Elclisse. it seems that all his films about people talking about their feelings
― Dan S, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:08 (seven years ago)
*are* about
― Dan S, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:09 (seven years ago)
well you gotta either talk about em or not talk about em
― j., Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:15 (seven years ago)
love Alain Delon and Monica Vitti
― Dan S, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:38 (seven years ago)
and Marcello Mastroianni and Jeanne Moreau
― Dan S, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:45 (seven years ago)
Vitti and Delon are remarkably blank and emotionally absent in L’Eclisse, and the depiction of their alienation feels more and more oppressive as the film goes along
― Dan S, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 05:55 (seven years ago)
still not sure what its title refers to, was thinking maybe it had something to do with what Rosenbaum referred to as “Antonioni’s preoccupation with objects and spaces overtaking and supplanting people”
― Dan S, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 06:12 (seven years ago)
really liked Il Grido, Antonioni’s “working class bummer” (to use morbs’ words). it has the themes of alienation and ennui of later films but with a more conventional, albeit meandering, story. loved every minute of seeing Steve Cochran on screen
― Dan S, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 07:21 (seven years ago)
Red Desert is next on my list. I remember seeing it in college and thinking of it primarily as a visual experience, as something to love just for its aesthetic appeal. If that's the only level I relate to it on at a second viewing, that will again be enough I think
― Dan S, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 07:33 (seven years ago)
at the moment I think I love Red Desert more than any other Antonioni movie
― Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 02:32 (seven years ago)
Bradshaw compared it to Alphaville and Solaris in it’s sci-fi eeriness and suggested that it may have been an inspiration for Lucrecia Martel’s The Headless Woman (which I *really* loved), but watching it again I’m wondering if Todd Haynes was influenced by it when he made Safe
― Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 02:33 (seven years ago)
the experience of alienation in modern society expressed as fear of environmental poisoning, filmed in a surreal manner and playing out as a horror movie
― Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 02:39 (seven years ago)
good call, I could see that. and the Solaris connection - particularly the fire juxtaposed against all the gray
― flappy bird, Friday, 4 January 2019 02:54 (seven years ago)
I loved the juxtaposition of painted color and gray in the film
― Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 03:23 (seven years ago)
Can't think of any movies with the color palette of Red Desert. it's really startling, particularly that first shot of flames shooting out of the factory
― flappy bird, Friday, 4 January 2019 03:45 (seven years ago)
re: Red Desert and Safe: it feels like there is something very deep about the spiritual malaise of the Monica Vitti and Julianne Moore characters in the two films
― Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 04:06 (seven years ago)
in my young adult life among my friends Blow Up was considered THE Antonioni film. I'm interested to see it and Zabriskie Point again. I loved both of them at the time
― Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 04:37 (seven years ago)
watching Blow Up again, I'm not sure I understand exactly what it’s about. I feel like I'm not giving enough of myself to it to really appreciate it
― Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 02:34 (seven years ago)
the mystery seems incidental, I read somewhere it's a film about someone waking up from a numbing life and living fully for a moment, that makes sense to me
― Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 02:44 (seven years ago)
liked the Ebert review of Zabriskie Point:
!https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/zabriskie-point-1970
"Michelangelo Antonioni is a fitfully brilliant director whose best, and basic, insight is that the fashionable cultivation of boredom can break down our ability to feel and love. In the 1950s, it seemed to him, people became so shy of spontaneity that they lost the knack. His characters were so alienated and spiritually exhausted they could hardly even get through breakfast together.
We loved it. "Eclipse" (1962) had us leaving the theater feeling deliciously betrayed and alone. "Blow-Up" (1966) was even better. It was set in swinging London and left us feeling betrayed, alone, and with-it. In between, Antonioni gave us "The Red Desert" (1964), possibly the most passive and empty serious movie of the decade."
― Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 04:26 (seven years ago)
"possibly the most passive and empty serious movie of the decade" also one of the best
― Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 04:29 (seven years ago)
saw The Passenger again. I had forgotten how amazing the ending was in the way it resolved the story, shot first through the bars of a window in a room at the Gloria Hotel looking outside, then moving through the bars to the courtyard, then looking back again through the bars into the room
― Dan S, Thursday, 31 January 2019 02:34 (seven years ago)
What helluva film L'Avventura remains. My seventh or eighth viewing, this time with a superb Gene Youngblood commentary track.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 January 2020 19:35 (six years ago)
Michelangelo Antonioni on the set of Zabriskie Point in 1968, photographed by Bruce Davidson. pic.twitter.com/0K7mW9TYTE— 💜💜ค Ŧคภ๒๏ץ кภ๏ฬร ค ђคՇєг💜💜 (@NickPinkerton) April 23, 2020
― flappy bird, Thursday, 23 April 2020 17:39 (five years ago)
That's so you don't catch him smiling.
― The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 April 2020 17:40 (five years ago)