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MILLARD FILLMORE

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HONOUR THE MEDIOCRITY MOTHERFUCKERS!!

He was until recently the longest serving prime minister in the British Empire too. And he kept the wierdest house ever and asked his dead mother for policy advice. And he was arguably the best PM we had too.

Then you have bullshit like hanging chads and the never ending Recall

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It's coming from the sorrow in the street,
the holy places where the races meet;
from the homicidal bitchin'
that goes down in every kitchen
to determine who will serve and who will eat.
From the wells of disappointment
where the women kneel to pray
for the grace of God in the desert here
and the desert far away:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

Sail on, sail on
O mighty Ship of State!
To the Shores of Need
Past the Reefs of Greed
Through the Squalls of Hate
Sail on, sail on, sail on, sail on.

It's coming to America first,
the cradle of the best and of the worst.
It's here they got the range
and the machinery for change
and it's here they got the spiritual thirst.
It's here the family's broken
and it's here the lonely say
that the heart has got to open
in a fundamental way:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

It's coming from the women and the men.
O baby, we'll be making love again.
We'll be going down so deep
the river's going to weep,
and the mountain's going to shout Amen!
It's coming like the tidal flood
beneath the lunar sway,
imperial, mysterious,
in amorous array:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

Sail on, sail on ...

I'm sentimental, if you know what I mean
I love the country but I can't stand the scene.
And I'm neither left or right
I'm just staying home tonight,
getting lost in that hopeless little screen.
But I'm stubborn as those garbage bags
that Time cannot decay,
I'm junk but I'm still holding up
this little wild bouquet:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

It went bang - I said rap up.
Well I'm aware that the guy must do his work
But the piledriver man drove me berserk.
He said captain
I said wot

He said captain
I said wot

He said captain
I said wot

He said captain
I said wot d'ya want

Once a lifetime
twice a day
If you don't work you get no pay.

I been to the east
I been to the west

But the girls I like best are the ones undressed.

Well
hello Adam
where you been?
I said a'stand aside 'cause I'm feelin' mean

I've had a gutful of you and I'm feelin' bad
'Cause you're an ugly old pirate and ain't I glad.
He said captain
I said wot
. . .
He said captain
I said wot

(etc)

Ride, captain, ride, upon your mystery ship.

I used to "jam" with these guys, too.

Go back to yer own country, pinko Canadian.

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"Well, I never!"

Here's my son Jack hanging out with some of his friends at the White House.

on the back would be his net worth in dollars

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(xpost with Dan)

"PERHAPS HE MEANS WELL."

Not that 2002 was all that better!

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(in no particular order)

1. He hasn't fucked the help in the Oval Office and lied about it. Yet. That we know of.
2. He hasn't been accused of rape. Yet.
3. He lowered taxes after he promised he would.
4. He hasn't raised taxes. Yet.
5. He took aggressive action against terrorism.
6. He did not poll test his foreign policy. Yet.
7. He asked that the UN enforce 13 resolutions and when the UN said no, he threw nearly every bit of political capital he had (which was hardly any) and did what he thought was right. Even though his execution was/is a complete disaster.
8. He called out France for their obvious financial relationship with Iraq.
9. No other president has appointed an openly gay man to a higher political office in the executive branch.
10. Condoleeza Rice

Er, who again?

1. John Ashcroft
2. The Education Bill
3. The Farm Bill
4. The Steel Tariffs
5. The impending doom of the Medicare drug bill
6. No heads are rolling in Iraq even though it is clearly a clusterfuck
7. He let Ted fucking Kennedy play him like a flute
8. ZERO fucking vetoes
9. Dude can barely speak in public. Still.
10. Is presiding over unbearable increases in spending
11. Like previous four presidents, no apparent clue what to do with Iran or Koreas. Or China. Appears to be pretending that the problem will go away.
12. Avoiding any sort of reform talk of Social Security
13. Didn't tell Senator Lott to piss up a pole and quit his seat.
14. Appeasement of Theocratic Right Wing
15. Doesn't do enough press conferences
16. Uses phrases from B-grade Western movies he saw as a kid in describing foreign policy
17. Will probably fucking raise taxes sometime in 2006
18. Refuses to have any sort of grand vision of how he sees the country, doesn't have several goals that he can articulate well.

Interesting factoid: Laura Bush is only the second First Lady ever to have earned a college degree. The first was Hillary Clinton. Laura Bush is also, much like former First Lady (and Laura's mother-in-law) Barbara Bush, decidedly pro-choice. Just fyi.

Ok, that's it. That's all I'm posting to this thread. No more. Nada. Can't make me. No way, no how. Just fulfilling my "Hey, Eisbar called me to this thread!" requirements. *grins*

I met Barbara Bush a couple of times. She was pretty cool. She never seemed like she liked political life all that much.

Same for Poppy Bush, who struck me as a nerd and rather uncomfortable with himself. I remember wondering why a guy like him would ever even want to get into politics because it involves so much ass kissing.

And while it's easy to say you're "pro-choice", there are lots and lots of degrees of that position. Some people want ZERO restrictions, some favor it only in rape/incest. Some favor it only when the health of the mother is at stake. Some think Roe vs. Wade is horrible, shitty, judicial activism and should be overturned on a legal basis--but they still want abortion legal as a state issue.

It's like the whole Gay Thing now rearing its ugly head. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Howard Dean wants gay marriage to be an issue of states rights and not some sort of federal code. So is he pro-gay marriage or not?

My point is that Laura Bush is pro-abortion but I highly doubt her position has been explicitly defined to the nth degree. And defining to the nth degree is exactly what a lot of pro-choice activists expect: full compliance to The Cause.

I mean, I am certainly pro-choice but it freaked me out too when you put the question as "You wouldn't want the parents of a 12 YEAR OLD to be notified?" But then, when you think.. how in the world would that help things, to have young teenagers not only in a difficult situation but also fearful of going to a physician for fear of a law which **always** requires parents be notified, should they choose to have an abortion? I can see people thinking, "well, we're good parents! of course we have the right to know!" and I'd agree with them, but it seems dangerous to mandate that the right to know be accorded to everyone because there are also, unfortunately, abusive parents involved in these cases.

No other president has appointed an openly gay man to a higher political office in the executive branch.
Er, are you sure it's "openly"? I heard some gossip bizness tonight from a political reporter, but then again, the guy was one of those trying-to-impress-you BS types so I took it with a grain of salt.

She's not expressed any thoughts on Ward Connelly, though.

hahahah! Rove site is top. Think the Feds are watching this girl yet?

Howard Dean = McGovern '72
Wesley Clark = John Glenn '84

"don weiner", have you ever met anyone who had anything to do with the White House during the Bush I administration?

"Laura Bush, the wife of President-elect George W. Bush, said Friday she believes the country could do more to minimize the number of abortions, but also indicated she doesn't believe the 1973 Supreme Court ruling legalizing abortions should be overturned."

it's the suede/denim secret police
they have come for your uncool niece

Welcome To the Dollhouse.
http://www.sonypictures.com/classics/welcome/

And to you Colin, I am not a "paid agitpropist" (and never have been) or a raving lunatic. I met Bush I and his wife Barbara twice during the presidential campaign of 1988. Once I was in the room with them for about 15 minutes and on the other occasion it was probably closer to ten. I don't remember meeting anyone else who ended up on the cabinent or in high positions; I was only 20 at the time so my memory is very faded as to who was who.

I will say that my dealings in Washington and the Republican Party were very enlightening. When you get down to it, both political parties are very much unconcerned with political ideals. They are both obsessed with power and put it before political philosophy at nearly every juncture.

Daria, the gay dude is: Scott Evertz
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highlights:

In 1991, Bush famously appeared wearing cowboy boots at a White House dinner given by his father for the Queen and cheerily informed her of the inscription on the heels: "God save the Queen." A frosty frown appeared on the royal brow, an eon passed, many feet shuffled all around. Convinced that understatement or sarcasm would be lost on the man standing before her, the Queen asked bluntly: "Are you the black sheep of your family?" Bush replied in the affirmative and shot back: "Who’s the black sheep in your family?" She frowned some more and walked away.

Wonder what infuriated her more -- Bush’s boorishness or the abundance of black sheep in her family.

Cheers, Eisbar!

Right now, she's probably angry more at Bush Jr. for trashing Buckingham Palace

Buckingham Palace doesn't have cable?

Except for the family of the kid she killed. I bet they're not too fond of her.

She's had sex, at least twice, with George Bush. I'm supposed to be kind and compassionate?

At least once, then.

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And maybe if Hillary Clinton would have been more concerned with the truth and telling it, she wouldn't have so many political enemies.

This just sounds wrong.

gee, how 1997 usenet. tough shit, dude, and don't play in kitchens if you don't like it hot.

and oh yeah, go fuck yerself too.

"go fuck yerself" is the nicest thing i can say to these motherfuckers.

Gee, how 7th grade. Whoa, and digging up Usenet circa 1997. How very superior of you. Maybe we should turn this into a battle of who was flaming who back in 1991. Fuck me dude? No, fuck you.

I've always known that I'm one of the few non-lefties around here. It doesn't bother me nearly as much as it seems to bother a lot of other people. I love this hot little kitchen. What I don't love are people making inane assertions about who or what I am. You can question my opinions or my representation of facts all you want. But don't go telling me who or what I am. You have barely have a clue.

Even funnier is how if I suggest that Hillary Clinton was ever untruthful that somehow it can't be an objective observation--it's now lumped me into the Right Wing Conspiracy. And Alex--are you suggesting the Clintons are to be viewed as morally superior to the Bushies because they lied less or used less propaganda?

premise 1: a certain ILXor posts a lot on the boards.
premise 2: many of this certain ILXor's posts illustrate a right-wingnut/looneytarian point of view. e.g., gratuitous pot-shots at the clintons, touchiness when persons that wingnuts like are attacked.
premise 3: the aforementioned examples were ubiquitous to wingnuts/looneytarians who populated usenet boards at or around 1997.

conclusion: this certain ILXor is most likely a right-wingnut/looneytarian.

see also: "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ..."

Which is more morally reprehensible? Getting a hummer in the oval office and lying about it, or leading the country to war on false pretense?

Nobody died because of Clinton's orgasms. And personally, the country was in such a prosperous state at the time, it might've even helped. Moreover, I don't give a rolling rat fuck what the hell the president does with his "downtime" if he's doing as good a job as Clinton did.

I'm talking about all the little other ones we know about, and the likelyhood of others we never knew about.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0309.mendacity-index#clinton

The Clintons made political enemies while they were in the White House, both within their own party and with the Republicans. And if you think it wasn't his habit of parsing his word, then I guess we disagree.

"oh yeah, i post to an article which accuses Clinton of one really big fuck-up, a whole bunch of really petty things that no-one besides people already predisposed to disliking him gives a fuck about AND HINT THAT THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCHA SHIT THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT." that last line was basically Ken Starr's motto -- and we wasted some $60 million and whole year over looking for that "WHOLE BUNCHA SHIT" that never popped up.

quack quack quack ...

if this isn't meant to be disingenuous, then it's hopeless naïve. neither is particularly useful.

And since you're a troll, your commentary is useless. But you knew that already, I suspect.

You're just a troll.

And frankly, I wish you were more entertaining in that capacity.

Regardless, I didn't say that the Midland PD should reopen the case and charge her with vehicular manslaughter (though that would be fun...ny), I responded to Dee's assertion that everyone loves Laura.

It is just a guess, but I doubt I'd consider the girl who killed my son because she was careless or stupid (I don't buy the stories that she did it on purpose) a wonderful woman and a lovely neighbor.

Saying that no one is talking about Bush's lies isn't at all true. Columnists everywhere are writing about it every week. Reporters are writing stories that lay out the deception over Iraq and the intelligence clusterfuck, among other things. Does it occur to you that if it was so easy to prove that Bush was lying so much that people other than the Left would be talking about it? Or, are you more or less agreeing with me that both sides tend to see the truth from their own perspective and not some objective database of facts. Because I can assure you--or surely the Troll can--that circa 1997 when the Usenet was filled with right wing vitriol that Clinton was piling up the lies and the only thing the press would report was the sexual stuff. Back then, the demands for investigations were labeled as a Clinton-hating, just like all the accusations of "BUSH LIED!" is being viewed as Bush-hating by the right. You're sure that Bush has lied repeatedly just like the right was sure that Clinton lied repeatedly. So often the truth is what you make it.

And my greater point is that one of the reasons people don't give a shit about Bush's lies is because they know all pols lie. The little lies, the big lies, all of them. Why are they suddenly supposed to care about Bush's lies? (There are many reasons to care, obviously, but the culture has already accepted lying as a means of political ends.)

To you Milo, I don't think I could forgive anyone for killing either of my sons and that includes myself. I just found your comment harsh (and the same goes for the one about Reagan.)

anyway, people will understand the lies well enough when their kids comes home blown to pieces and in a pine box, their property taxes go through the roof and their schools turn to shit, and their job moves to bangladesh. you don't need to be wesley clark or paul krugman to understand that.

Bush definitely has a different version of compassion than the left does, though. So do a lot of people.

Your comment about me bringing up Clinton first is fair Alex, though I'd submit it was at least somewhat related to the original topic of the thread.

Bush and Reagan before him are slowly, but surely attempting to completely bankrupt the federal government to completely prevent it from doing and acting in any way other than militarily or to provide aid to large businesses. This is a completely indisputable fact (ask Grover Norquist about it.)

Stop bringing up that gay man as though he means shit, Don. It's like Laura Bush's pro-choice views. Who gives a fuck? Bush reinstated the Global Gag Rule, promoted abstinence bullshit programs, signed that asinine and unconstitutional partial birth abortion ban, has wiggle-woggled about a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. You think the Christian Coalition is happy? Bet your ass they are.

This is the same as saying the ultimate goal of the Democratic party is communism.

Whereas the GOP has, at various times attempted to dismantle everything mentioned.

The hyperbole is a bit off, but it's hardly like the "Democrats = Communist!!!" crap.

Grover Norquist has been quoted as wanting to "completely bankrupt the federal government to completely prevent it from doing and acting in any way other than militarily or to provide aid to large businesses." I'm sure this is indisputable--just give me the quotes please. And while you're at it, give me quotes or sources where Bush I,II, or Reagan said this.

Also, prove to me that "most" of the increases in spending under Bush have been related to "military expansions" and I'll agree with you.

Finally, I'll bring up the gay dude as much as I want. The left has long pretended he not exist, just like the Log Cabin Republicans. The rapid theo-facists were quite pissed about the appointment, but I doubt you would be aware of it. Then again, the only person who can keep that sector happy is probably Buchanan.

Hey Milo, saying that the Democratic Party has never been sympathetic to communist causes is rather broad. You might want to limit that a bit or some asshole like me will start bringing up examples of Democrats being sympathetic to commies.

Else you'd then get an asshole like me lumping the GOP in with the Klan, neo-Nazis, Central American death squads, etc.

Anyway do your own searches. I get paid to surf the web, not play research assistant for guy's who like to use solitary examples of gay men to demonstrate that the current administration is "really" pissing off the religious right.

As a Democrat I am not at ALL happy about Bush not challenging an iota of pork that Congress tries to pass. What's with all the Republicans who aren't interested in challenging it? I'm pretty disgusted because all it looks like, to me, is a bunch of politicans (and yeah, there sure are Dems doing this too) who don't want to make any tough decisions and limit spending 'cause it could cost them votes & campaign contributions. It's totally irresponsible and I'm pissed off because I'm going to have to f*&king pay for this crap, like the Medicare reform thing that just passed. What do you want to bet by the time I'm old enough to draw benefits from Medicare, it'll be totally privatized or dismantled since we won't be able to afford it.

And yeah, I think it's not strategically useful to yell about if/how Bush lied. Bush's judgement and planning ability suck and he sure didn't mind misleading the public, can we try that instead? But calling him names & the usual lefty "haha Bush is a moron" stuff just derails a discussion straightaway, and furthermore if you know you're talking to someone who doesn't agree with the knee-jerk "haha Bush is a moron" view and start insisting on it anyway, it tells me you just wanna have a pissing match. I agree with some of what Don has said on this thread, Don, you sure don't sound like a wingnut to me.

Yeah, that's really convincing when you selectively ignore the extremes in the post I was quoting.

The extremes were hyperbole, but they were grounded in ideological stances held by a majority of the GOP, and many of them would tell you that to your face (Hello, Contract w/ America!).

Whereas linking Democrats to Leninism is absurd and grounded in fiction.

not to mention that mr. norquist is a known admirer of lenin and his tactics (at least if david brock is to be believed).

Bush and Reagan before him are slowly, but surely attempting to completely bankrupt the federal government to completely prevent it from doing and acting in any way other than militarily or to provide aid to large businesses. This is a completely indisputable fact (ask Grover Norquist about it.)

Then BNW:

This is the same as saying the ultimate goal of the Democratic party is communism.

Nevertheless, can you show me exactly where the Bush administration hasn't followed the interests of large businesses and given them the farm?

Case in point, the energy bill that won't go away

Excerpting:

The White House and Republican leaders yesterday abandoned attempts to vote on a massive energy bill this year and will resume the effort after Congress reconvenes in January. The measure would represent the largest overhaul of US energy policy in a decade. The $31 billion bill collapsed after Republican leaders refused to drop a provision shielding oil companies from some lawsuits.

The Washington Post reports both the Medicare and energy bills would give billions in tax benefits to companies run by executives who helped raise millions for President Bush's campaigns. The energy bill would give billions in tax subsidies to companies run by 22 executives who helped raised at least $100,000 each for Bush's presidential campaigns. Another 24 people who were major Bush campaign backers work as executives or lobbyists at firms that stand to benefit if the Medicare bill is passed.

As of right now: Bush has raised $102 million dollars for his campaign.

The most hated man in California, Gray Davis, was re-elected solely because he outspent and outmaneuvered his adversaries and I see Bush II doing the exact same thing. My only consolation, is that Bush, Cheney, and their whole stinking crew will eventually spend eternity burning in hellfire. At least that's what I'd like to think.

Arguing about Clinton vs. Bush, etc. is the proverbial "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic".

I'm gonna go get me some Johnsonville Brats.

I've read more stuff by Eisbar than I have by you, Don. Who is the troll now, eh? WHERE'S YOUR MESSIAH NOW, MOSES?

So, it's agreed then. Bush = jackass ripe for exile. Good. Glad we settled that.

meanwhile, bushco is plundering and stealing everything in sight, anything that isn't nailed down -- and it's being done in plain sight. and describing it thus is not hyperbole, it's not being rude (there's nothing polite about what the GOP is doing the country and the world for that matter).

This weakness should be particularly alarming to Republicans, who have for decades claimed to be the idealistic leaders of fiscal conservatism. The Democrats, to their credit, have always loved turning the federal government into an instrument of plunder. But for Republicans to line up at the pork trough after they campaigned against it for all those years is atrocious. Though not surprising, really. All they've proven is that absolute power corrupts. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you stand on.

"plunder" meaning precisely what? are you saying that "plunder" = taxation? government spending in general?

and quoting lord acton is perhaps the oldest of all cop-outs wr2 politics.

It's (alleged) voting. Who the hell gets the two confused any more?

If Don doesn't intend to vote for Bush, then let him say so. But I haven't seen anything he's posted that would lead me to think that he wouldn't vote for the man.

So clearly he's planning on voting for Bush in the next election. Stands to reason.

FEAR MY MIGHY PHALLUS AS I STEREOTYPE YOU.

(xpost parsing Neddish hurts my widdle BRANE)

I did vote for Bush 1 in 1988. My excuse for that is that I was young, dumb, full of cum, and trying to sleep with a Bushie campaign worker. I was already very disillusioned by then with the whole thing but didn't realize that I there were other options. Including other women.

Since then, I have voted Libertarian wherever and whenever possible, which, while should be seen as a principled action, probably disregards the fact that I likely voted for some nutballs. I don't really care.

As for why I, who indeed is intelligent when so motivated, would logically prefer voting for Bush, well, I don't see the logic in it. Personally, I would much rather have higher taxes and less federal government if given the option. I don't really see it as a moral or philosophical victory to have some dude lowering taxes but increasing the confiscatory power of those assholes in Washington, DC. Maybe I'd be willing to cut Bush slack if I thought he was a principled, strong leader but I don't. Like Clinton, I'm sure Bush would be fun to drink beer and talk pussy with but those guys both lack conviction and vision in their ways. I don't agree with Howard Dean philosophically but he seems to have more conviction about who he is and what he stands for.

Also, I do not consider pork a sideshow, despite the relatively minor size of the petty projects generally considered "pork" because I see it as further corruption and increased power for the feds. Moves like federalizing airport security, expanding the Dept. of Education's reach, expanding the role of Medicare and a host of other moves are equally offensive to me if not by pure cost but by the increased power it places in the hands of people who don't deserve it.

And for all those whom I've pissed off on this thread I regret that on occasion I have lowered myself to hyperbole to make a point, or had less than good patience with those who've yanked my chain.

his greatest accomplishment thus far is reducing taxes

For who? My taxes have not gone down.

But for Republicans to line up at the pork trough after they campaigned against it for all those years is atrocious.

Pork is not a partisan sport. Republicans may SAY that they are against pork, but not a single Republican has followed through.

why do you say this?

I'm not opposed philosophically to federal government. I just want it to be much more limited in scope here in the US. Generally speaking, I'd rather err on the side of freedom and where appropriate, grant citizens the right to take responsibility for their actions. Government is inherently political more than it is inherently bad or good, and on a federal level it is very difficult to make smaller (i.e. reduce its power.) This is my philosophical concern. The party in power will always serve itself, and take action to strengthen itself. Of course, the party in power will say it is merely following the will of its constituency but the corruption of the system and the money involve nearly always trump idealistic or even long term considerations.

Obv I don't think you'll agree him philosophically at anything near 100% but there seems to be a lot more alignment than there is with Bush, who is being totally irresponsible and expanding the government more than.. well, when was the last time it got so big? anyone?

I've skimmed the length of this thread and have yet to find anyone (I realize we're one big homogeneous crowd of pinko solicalists here, but still...) I failed to find anyone defend W.

Please, I'm begging for a sound, rational (preferably long-form with lots of evidence) argument persuading me why I (an independent) or anyone else (as yet undecided) should vote for him.

Or, in other words, if you plan to vote for W, why will you vote for him?

Please refrain from the use of regurgitated newspeak.

"I hear there's rumors on the...ah...the internets"

and my personal favorite
"I know that human being and fish can coexist peacefully"

He has Scotty dogs, they are awesome. This redeems him a tiny tiny bit for me. I miss my Scotty :(

x-post -- Him and Stanley Fish, maybe:

http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/george-bush-the-comeback-kid/

boy, that column is crap

yeah I got tired of counting the unsubstantiated claims and factual inaccuracies after the third paragraph or so

Nixon probably was the smartest president of the 20th century, but lol at "astute political commentator and historian."

And this is written by a Kristolian party hack:

How will he occupy his time? Roving ambassador? Baseball commissioner? University president? (Don’t groan; he’d probably be good at it.) I don’t know, but I do expect that one night in the not-too-distant future, some TV host will be calling for the drum roll and announcing, with pleasure and pride, “Heeeere’s Georgie.”

So after his second term, I'm much more comfortable equating Bush II and Fillmore.

i've said this before - Bush has quite a career ahead of him making light dinner remarks before business associations, invite-only fundraisers, etc.

he might even get Rove to come along with him for some funny dancing or something

yeah, i'm trying to think of it from his daughters' and other loved ones' perspective-- "yeah, my dad is in contention for the worst u.s prez ever, but gosh, he's making a killing on the lecture circuit..."

in that robert draper book last year, bush said he would the lecture circuit after 2008 -- "gotta replenish the ol' cofers"

Nixon probably was the smartest president of the 20th century

not smart enough to turn off the fucking tape recorded before he indicted himself

why do people always say this? "but so and so is really smart" like sarah palin. anybody who subscribes to creationism is stupid. or ignorant.

I hope I live long enough to piss on Dubya's grave

"gotta replenish the ol' coffers"

yeah, that's right up there with the infamous brownie quote...or the "...this sucker could go down" thing.

how many ILXors would have ribs w/GWB? (I wouldn't, I don't like ribs)

I hope I live long enough to piss on Dubya's grave

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classic

Just pee on his Presidential Library at SMU. Bigger target.

...or whichever daughter said "yeah, my dad is in contention for the worst u.s prez ever, but gosh, he's making a killing on the lecture circuit..."

Main picture in the library:

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/Bushreadingthepetgoat.jpg

gonna miss the dude saying retarded shit on tv

I just found out that video of him flipping the bird is real! Youtube is full of these. I thought the David Letterman Top Ten had some of the best:

That left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing thing kills me every time.

Bush toured African nations in February, inspecting health clinics and meeting families who have found new hope. He was greeted joyously.

"I wish the American people could see what we have seen ... People literally lining the roads in Tanzania, all waving and anxious to express their love and appreciation to the American president, who represents the American people," he said Monday.

Noting the reception he sometimes gets at home, Bush said: "It was good to see them all waving with all five fingers, I might add."

Ben & Jerry's created the "Yes Pecan!" ice cream flavor to honor
President Barack Obama. Then...

They asked people to fill in the blank to the following statement:
For George W. we created "_________."

Here are some of their
favorite responses:

1. Grape Depression
2. Abu Grape
3. Cluster Fudge
4. Nut'n Accomplished
5. Iraqi Road
6. Chock 'n Awe
7. WireTapioca
8. Impeach Cobbler
9. Guantanamallow
10. imPeachmint
11. Good Riddance You Lousy Motherfucker Swirl
12. Heck of a job, Brownie
13. Neocon Politan
14. RockyRoad to Fascism
15. The Reese's-cession
16. Cookie D'oh
17. The Housing Crunch
18. Nougalar Proliferation
19. Death by Chocolate
20. Death by Torture
21. Credit Crunch
22. Country Pumpkin
23. Chunky Monkey in Chief
24. George Bush Doesn't Care about Dark Chocolate
25. WMDelicious
26. Chocolate Chimp
27. Bloody Sundae
28. Caramel Preemptive Stripe
29. I broke the law and am responsible for the deaths of thousands. with nuts

would buy 2, 24, 29

29, but it really should be hundreds of thousands, with nuts

so basically everybody is arguing about banning people instead of posting here, is that it?

11. Good Riddance You Lousy Motherfucker Swirl

Oh gawd PLEASE produce this. Will buy.

that "waving with all five fingers" quote was pretty funny, gotta admit

4. Nut'n Accomplished

^^ clearly the best

is this worth reading

http://www.familyofsecrets.com/wp-content/themes/familyofsecrets/images/bookcover.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President's_Emergency_Plan_for_AIDS_Relief

The massive funding increases have made anti-retrovirals widely available, saving millions of lives.[4][5] Critics contend that spending a portion of funding on abstinence-until-marriage programs is unjust[1] while others feel that foreign aid is generally inefficient.[2] According to a 2009 study published in Annals of Internal Medicine,[6] the program had averted about 1.1 million deaths in Africa and reduced the death rate due to AIDS in the countries involved by 10%.

george w. bush is my wkiw of shame

dude saved 1.1 million lives

There's a certain irony to Bush's most lasting, positive legacy being one of his least well known/publicized. Was also reminded in a recent New Yorker book review that he signed the expansion to the ADA that his father signed back in 1990. AIDS, ADA, immigration ... compared to today's crop, maybe he really was a compassionate conservative. Except when it came to all the people he killed in Texas, but other than that ...

Regardless, he was a terrible president, and he broke the world.

prescription drugs and maritime reserve too

Yeah, I think I noted upthread or somewhere else that this is his greatest legacy.

this = AIDS relief

Mariana Trench is a huge deal.

the further we get from his term the more i feel like bush was too mediocre to be the worst of the worst. greil marcus was OTM when he said recently that reagan had been worse.

reagan was bad, but... nah, i'm still gonna go with W for the wars and destruction of the economy

another positive is that i will give W credit for a more racially diverse cabinet, though i'm still ashamed the Asian AG was the one who wrote that torture memo

the further we get from his term the more i feel like bush was too mediocre to be the worst of the worst

Poppy Bush, yes, not the son responsible for the death of thousands of men and women

greil marcus was OTM when he said recently that reagan had been worse.

scorecarding these assholes isn't worth the pain, but Clinton was worse than Reagan judged by many now-irrevocable-seeming actions.

xp

what you call bush's mediocrity manifested as a dangerous incompetance. he began two wars, which was bad enough, but then he mismanaged both of them, which was even worse. he rammed through tax cuts that turned projected revenue surpluses into deep deficits, which was bad enough, but he also mismanaged the SEC and FEMA contributing to the worst economic crisis in many generations and the near death of an entire city of a million people.

reagan was competantly awful, meaning he did untold damage to the system, but he did so consciously, with a plan, and a certain finesse.

the difference as I see it was that Reagan joked about nuclear war and was bastard enough to push the button under some circumstances, but he did not intend to start one, while bush was fully capable of stumbling into one by a series of stupid, arrogant mistakes and missteps.

the question is how much of reagan's 'badness' comes from him providing a model/inspiration/excuse for so much that came later, including and most importantly dubya

Reagan is Adam in this narrative: the root of original sin. Dubya and Clinton far worse.

Reagan's pluses (meeting with Gorby despite resistance from his own base and recognizing Gorby was not Andropov) impossible to separate from his minuses (El Salvador, Grenada, Lebanon), i.e. his messianism was the little engine driving him forward.

I see reagan and clinton as more representative of bigger political trends ie whoever could have replaced them in history probably would have played fairly similar roles. whereas dubya's fucking-shit-up VARP is amazingly high.

that's to say the conservative revolution was happening before reagan and would have happened regardless and the nu-democrat era woulda have likely unfolded w/ or w/o clinton. the war in iraq was not at all inevitable.

reagan was competantly awful, meaning he did untold damage to the system, but he did so consciously, with a plan, and a certain finesse.

this is WHY reagan was worse! he wrought deep and irreversible changes in the way the majority of americans think about government and politics. there's a wider ideological gap between him and his predecessors than any other president in the last century. reagan's air of invincibility and charm made him infinitely more dangerous (and destructive) than a hapless schmuck like bush.

i'm no clinton fan (honest!) but what exactly did he do that was worse than iran-contra?

Reanimating a Democratic corpse and turning it into a dessicated GOP clone. Worse, his Treasury department lobbied for and got GOP policies enacted.

I think it's really easy to overrate the extent that clinton 'shaped the democratic party'

the democrats were headed that way anyway -- the DLC and worship of 'the center' predate clinton, he was just an opportunist who got lucky.

yup. the more interesting question is to what extent that statement could also refer to reagan.

I think it's easy to underrate how much worse an "end-product" like Obama is than he coulda been.

One of Bush II's many fatal flaws was also appointing a rogue's gallery of nincompoops and incompetents. Ashcroft, Gonzo, Rumsfeld, Brownie, Harriet Miers, all those other Christian college law grads ... Reagan hired his own share of goons, but they were at least goons with experience, iirc.

Reagan messed a lot of stuff up, but want to say Clinton triangulation and policy set the stage for many of Bush's failures, which were more destructive than Reagan's.

the democrats were headed that way anyway -- the DLC and worship of 'the center' predate clinton, he was just an opportunist who got lucky.

see: Hart, Gary

a lot of the 'worship of the center' came from not having the white house for 12 years fwiw

Hart's rhetoric seemed marginally to the left of Mondale's in '84, who the hell knows what kinda prez he woulda been.

but some of it def existed on the zeitgeist level see: new labour xp

I predict Hart would have received some blowjobs

what a comedian:

But Cheney also came to embrace the reputation. Once his friend David Hume Kennerly greeted him teasingly by saying: “Hi, Dick. Have you blown away any small countries this morning?” Without missing a beat, Cheney replied, “You know, that’s the one thing about this job I really love.” At another point, he tried on a Darth Vader mask his aides had bought and posed for a picture. When he later tried to put the picture in his memoir, his wife, Lynne, talked him out of it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/magazine/the-final-insult-in-the-bush-cheney-marriage.html?pagewanted=3&src=recg

Wiish Oliver stone had cast Leslie Neilsen instead of Dreyfuss

ok "dick cheney in a darth vader mask" = creepy halloween costume of the year for me

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just a warning shot from Adrian here in case GWB was thinking about it

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/9780550/v15111385/cwstex-beltre-nearly-hits-president-bush-with-foul

- good at ducking from projectiles

- head nod to faux-threatening tiptoeing al gore was all time debate comedy