Philadelphia (again, i think)

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i think this might have been done previously, from a 'to live in' perspective. but, from a social perspective, can anyone tell me good shops (clothes, records, books, the usual shit), bars, restaurants, clubs, museums, sights, and just whatever you think is good about philly?

gareth, Thursday, 11 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Search: the famous Philly cheese steak, obviously:

"If people want to have cheese-steaks, God bless 'em. That's just fine. But you probably shouldn't have a cheese-steak for breakfast and one for lunch and another one for dinner."

"Why not?" they ask at Pat's Steaks, the Constitution Hall of cheese-steaks and headquarters of the rebel opposition to the mayor's war on fat.

Nick, Thursday, 11 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

gareth, i promise to provide a VER' COMPREHENSIVE c or d/s and d on me home town just as soon as i blow some of this paper work outta here...

jess, Thursday, 11 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I had a Philly Cheese Steak in NYC in some wierd TRAILER (??) type place just opposite from Fez and it gave me food poisoning, leading me to puke it up in the Starbucks down the road. Actually, those might have been the most mingy toilets ever.

Stewart 555 and HER (!) are in Philadelphia. Spit. My life is bereft.

Sarah, Thursday, 11 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

okay...

first of all NEVER eat a cheesesteak outside of the greater philadelphia/immediate south jersey/suburban metro area becuz it is NOT a cheesesteak, but some horrible derivation thereof...and keep it simple stupid...no lettuce, no tomaters, no other funny foofera... (and yes the chicken cheesesteak is acceptable and sometimes actually better)...please do not refer to a sandwich on a long roll as anything other than a hoagie...or you will be laughed at behind your back (much as people are laughed at for calling them hoagies outside of philadelphia)...do NOT, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES buy a pretzle or other food at a food truck on the street unless you want to DIE (or get a large amount of pigeon droppings/carinogens with your food)...it's hard to pick a steak shop in town which won't do you right, but avoid the horribly tourist-y pat's and geno's...

shops...philly is pretty bereft of record shops, but all the good ones are (mostly) located on or off south st. (our gentrified sub-st. marks pl.)...spaceboy is probably the best for what "we" generally listen to...indie/punk/'lectronica/imports...and a KILLER used section...there's 611 off of 4th and south (?) which is where you go for all your dj/dance related vinyl...i have yet to find a good record shop in town which caters to a hiphop head...(odd, given the town, which means its probably just eluding me...or hiding somewhere deep in north philly where i am afeared to go)...the best comic book shop is by far Fat Jack's Comic Crypt around 20-21st and sansom sts...clothes...no idea mate...i'm a sloppy dresser as it is...but there's a swank new thrift/consignment shoppe which has opened on south that seems promising...books...um, we got a borders...

the supreme joy of all philadelphia shopping experiences is the italian market, which runs basically from 11th to 9th sts. between catharine and christian (roughly...it's been about two years since i actually LIVED there, so my directions are hazy)...wake up early on a sat. morning and you will find gastronomic delights like you won't believe...

bars and clubs...avoid DELAWARE AVE. AT ALL COSTS...unless you wish to be inundated with big haired jersey broads and mooks from south philly with their molls out on "da town"...when i was drinkin in filthadelphia, i mostly wet my whistle at dirty franks on the corner of pine and 13th sts...there was also a very small dive around 20th and chestnut where i got plastered after work becuz the beer was CHEAP...(the atmosphere was depressin as hell, but then again i was depressed as hell, so it fit...)

restaurants

museums/sights/entertainment: the mutter museum of medical oddities! without a doubt the greatest museum EVAH. (barring that historical flea musuem.) the philadelphia art museum is actually quite loverly, with a very large modern art collection, and a buncha neat rooms with olde tyme armor and weapons... the rodin museum is just that...the largest collection of rodin-ities outside of europe (?).... the first friday of every month we have, well, first friday, which is the monthly arts walk of gallery openings etc...

philly is much better as a "living" town than a "visiting" town...it's...calm...a big city, but, as they say a "city of neighborhoods"...its intimate...which can be good or bad depending on your taste...its my home...so whadda i know?

shit...meeting...more later?

jess, Thursday, 11 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If you have a car and are feeling arty, go look at all the Wyeth family stuff at Chadds Ford.

Madchen, Thursday, 11 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Tandoor (40th & Chestnut) and the Taj Mahal (19th & Chestnut, I think) are the two best Indian restaurants I've found in town. The buffet is extremely good at the former; the meat samosas at the latter are amazingly good, and the staff is noticeably friendlier. Also, there's a great Italian restaurant in Chestnut Hill, at Southampton & Germantown. I think it's called the Trattoria Steakhouse, or something like that, but the Steakhouse part is somewhat misleading.

The Khyber is the size of a shoebox but is perhaps better than the Upstage (is that still around?), which is more spacious but has inferior sound.

The zoo is great; the art museum is great. The latter used to be completely free on Sunday mornings -- now it's "pay what you can", last I checked.

Public transportation: trains are great but expensive, buses are a bit unreliable at times and also costly (Philly is tied for the most expensive public transportation in the country).

The bad parts of Philly are very, very bad. But it's a very large city with relatively low population density, so they're easy to avoid -- it's not like you'll walk two blocks and suddenly be in no man's land.

Phil, Thursday, 11 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Shame about the Phillies.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Thursday, 11 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

beanie sigel!

ethan, Thursday, 11 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Krass Brothers! And Captain Noah roXor (or he did when I was four).

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Thursday, 11 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

send your picturessss to dear old captain nooooaaaah

send today

send right away

(the man was a PREvert)

jess, Thursday, 11 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've never been to a bar quite as cool as Dirty Frank's. everything behind that link is true. it's got a huge horseshoe bar and everyone sits or stands in the narrow gap around it so the, ummmm, eccentric bartenders have more room than the clientele does. everybody's close and bumping into one another. i was complimented on my crappy motorcycle jacket there the one time i went. he wanted to trade.his was even crappier.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

visit charlie the hen

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Franklin Insitute and the Natural History Museum are also great places to visit. The F.I. has the most wonderful sciencey stuff! It is meant for kids but hey,so wha

holly, Sunday, 14 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

didn't get to spend much time there at all (half a day), but i liked South Street. i prefer it to St Marks Place, it had a nice relaxed feel about it. it reminded me of Brighton in a way (although i don't actually like Brighton). i didn't get to do much unfortunately, but it is somewhere i'd like to go to again (properly this time)

gareth, Monday, 22 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the upstage is gone, replaced by an upscale italian dance club called life. i didn't think it was all that great of a place anyway.

there's a nice bar on south street, a little west of all the alternative shopping complex hoopla, called tritone. decent food, cheap drinks, excellent jukebox, bands & dj nights from time to time. also, low on passyunk avenue (right down the block from the cheesesteak corner) is fairly mellow, although i've heard reports of it being a sort of coke haven.

as for restaurants, my favorite place is cibucan, a tapas place at 20th and sansom that is not only delicious, it's fun and fairly economical (since you're sharing and all). i also like beau monde at 6th and bainbridge. it's a creperie. ANYTHING IN A CREPE. they also mix an excellent bloody mary. sassafras on 2nd, next to the khyber, is a pretty reliable old style bar-with-food; i like their martinis and their burgers.

bookstores: there's big jar on 2nd )the bookstore of choice for mcsweeney's readings in town) and bookhaven at 22nd and fairmount.

for records, spaceboy is ok, but the princeton record exchange is totally worth the hour and a half train ride -- their bargain section is out of this world.

shame that you got here already - it would have been nice to hang out!

maura, Tuesday, 23 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
If the stupid Boston thread can be revived, then so can this one. Especially since Philly beats Bawston without trying very hard.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 11 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Marah.

Ronan, Tuesday, 11 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ronan, you forgot the "sucks syphillitic donkey cock" that should have gone before that period.

jess, Tuesday, 11 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

after you mean? or eh.....help I dont understand.

Ronan, Tuesday, 11 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

aw, marah's ok. i like their version of 'love train.'

maura, Tuesday, 11 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They're complete cheese I know but that's fun sometimes. often for me actually.

Ronan, Tuesday, 11 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nine months pass...
i'm going to be back there around the 8th october for a couple nights. anyone recommend somewhere reasonably cheap to stay?

gareth (gareth), Monday, 23 September 2002 15:38 (twenty-three years ago)

how cheap?

i usually recommend the alexander inn to people (including our own dave raposa). but you should know that it's right in the middle of the gayborhood (yes they do call it that) and your stay is around the time of outfest so it might be a bit difficult to get a room there. but it's really nice, with cute rooms and directv and a really prime center city location. i don't think you'll get a much better value without having to rent a car.

also hey i will be in town that weekend too!

maura (maura), Monday, 23 September 2002 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)

i miss it.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 September 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

as for restaurants, my favorite place is cibucan, a tapas place at 20th and sansom that is not only delicious, it's fun and fairly economical (since you're sharing and all).

I just ate there for the first time recently and I thought the food was quite good. Pretentious and pricey, but genuinely fresh and tastey. I thought the wait staff was a bit cooler than thou, however.

DeRayMi, Monday, 23 September 2002 17:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never been to a bar quite as cool as Dirty Frank's.

I was served there when I was quite underaged, and bought a drink for a pan-handler as well. I used to do that sort of thing back then.

I will post more about my fine city later.

Sun Ra: ". . .the worst place on the planet"

DeRayMi, Monday, 23 September 2002 17:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't neglect to check out the Sound of Market East on 11th Street, between Chestnut and Market, a much better record store than you would imagine from the outside (or the first floor, for that matter).

DeRayMi, Monday, 23 September 2002 17:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Minar Palace on the 1600 block of Sansom has very inexpensive Indian food, some of which I think is actually quite good.


DeRayMi, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 00:52 (twenty-three years ago)

i still miss it.

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 01:09 (twenty-three years ago)

it's still here, jess, so bring yerself and the missus!

how many days will you be in Philadelphia, Gareth? a face-to-face may be possible.

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 05:07 (twenty-three years ago)

i miss philly too *sigh*

dirty franks was good, used to like doobies as well on 22nd and lombard

bookstores -what was that big second place on south street called.

have to run but will post a longer rave about the greatness that is filthadelphia

H (Heruy), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Sound of Market East on 11th Street

A good place for hip-hop, I think. If you go up to the second floor, you will find a good jazz selection, as well as rock, including some obscure indie/prog. stuff not likely to turn up at Tower.

DeRayMi, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

can i be contrary and say that i don't miss philadelphia?

because i don't.

maura (maura), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I am serious about a face-to-face, BTW. Any ideas would be more than welcome!

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 15:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Re Sun Ra's "the worst place on the planet" quote (said while he was in residence in Philly, yes?): David Lynch's Eraserhead was inspired by the time Mr. Lynch spent in Philadelphia as a young, struggling art student. Food for thought.

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)

i will back in philly around x-mas time, unfortunately i'll probably be too busy with the holiday, etc. to really enjoy it.

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Sun Ra lived in Philadelphia from some point in the early 70's to his death in 1993 (I think it was), but he said it was "death's headquarters" and "the worst place on the planet," among other things.

DeRayMi, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Shampoo on Wednesday 80s, goth nights is good for dancing. R5 productions ( http://www.r5productions.com/ ) put on the best live shows. Space Boy on South St. and some other CD stores near the TLA are good for getting music. On Chestnut St. Morimotos (the Iron Chef) is good for Japanese fusion food, and on Walnut St. Le Bec Fin is good for french food. Both expensive. (In general I think Philadelphia has some of the best food in the USA) The art Museum is pretty good. They've got a Cy Twombly room. They have Duchamp's "Nude Decending a Staircase." Cheese Steaks are good.

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 00:42 (twenty-three years ago)

here is Shampoo's website
http://www.shampooonline.com/

yeah, and I also agree with the trip to Princeton Record Exchange as a better alternative to record shopping on south st.
(I got the first 4 Weather Report Albums for $4.00 there)

(oh yeah, my perspective is a young perspective of Philadelphia. R5 and Shampoo usually has a fairly young crowd)

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 00:57 (twenty-three years ago)

my description from above makes me miss it all the more!

i saw the arkestra in rittenhouse sq. park one day. (well after he died, mind.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:21 (twenty-three years ago)

i usually recommend the alexander inn to people (including our own dave raposa). but you should know that it's right in the middle of the gayborhood

I was wondering why the neighborhood was so nice! And all the guys I saw were hella cute!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 03:11 (twenty-three years ago)

jess, I must have been at the same show in Rittenhouse Square. It was packed.

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 25 September 2002 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

right, philly now

i should be arriving on tuesday the 8th october, staying the 8th and 9th, and leaving on the morning of thursday the 10th

i think i'm going to be staying at http://www.bankstreethostel.com/ , does this seem like an ok place to stay? i haven't booked it yet, wont take advance credit card bookings so i'm going to pay on the day. is it likely that it will be booked up? midweek october, should be ok shouldn't it?

anyone around on the 8th

and where are there internet cafes?

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

gareth,

That hostel is supposed to be pretty good. You do have a curfew there though, you realize.

Not sure where to find internet cafes, especially near that hostel. You can come to the public library and use the internet for free.

I will be around. I don't have any plans at the moment. You might want to try reaching me at my old e-mail address instead of this one.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 1 October 2002 12:24 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm in philly now. short notice i know, i'm staying just off 2nd street. i think i'm going to go for a beer tonite in either the khyber, or ralphs on 2nd street. i'll check the internet again at 7.45 to see if anyone is about. anyone out there in philly post here and i'll check it then

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

gareth, I'm working until 9PM tonight, and am not up for a late night, but let me know what you are doing after 9:00, if you make any set plans. Actually, I'm feeling a bit tired and anti-social, but the novelty of meeting at least one other ILX person is tempting.

How long are you going to be in Philadelphia--any idea?

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think I've been to the Khyber in about a decade.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I still haven't figure out how to get into my new e-mail account, incidentally.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh now I remembered my password.

R.S., Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually tonight is probably no good. I feel like just going home. (I don't think gareth wants to meet me anyway.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)

did you go to the khyber last night gareth?

maura (maura), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)

last night got messed up. i went for a malaysian in chinatown with someone from the hostel, got back about 8.45 and the internet wasnt working in the hostel so couldnt post (I did want to meet you mr scientist!)

me, a guy from york and a guy from switzerland went to Rotten Ralphs, which is, like, 2 doors down from the Khyber and round the corner from the hostel. i saw Ghost soundchecking while i was outside (they were playing with damon & naomi, but i didn't go in)

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 19:36 (twenty-three years ago)

this thread is making me really angry that i dont have the money to go out. an hour from philly and i rarely get a chance to be there! grr. its really lovely. gareth, whatever you do tonight, have fun!

amy (amy), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

gareth, did you go to Penang? I still haven't been there. If you leave tomorrow morning, it's probably pretty hopeless, since I am working until 9:00 again tonight and must be fresh for a driving lesson tomorrow morning.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 9 October 2002 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, went to penang on the tuesday, then on the wednesday went to khyber with a guy from the hostel but only for one drink because a) he turned out to be a wanker, and b) needed to get up EARLY to get to boston today, where i am now. on the tues at rotten ralphs i drank yuengling which was quite nice

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 10 October 2002 21:29 (twenty-three years ago)

i drank yuengling which was quite nice

:`(

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:46 (twenty-three years ago)

aw jess, don't be sad, yuengling is the new hip beer in nyc -- it'll come out there eventually!

maura (maura), Friday, 11 October 2002 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)

now i'm even more sad!

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 11 October 2002 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

the girl in reporecords was kinda hot

gareth (gareth), Friday, 11 October 2002 22:33 (twenty-three years ago)

should i go to college in or around philadelphia?

Maria (Maria), Saturday, 12 October 2002 02:10 (twenty-three years ago)

gareth was it the reddish haired one?

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 12 October 2002 03:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Yuengling is indeed good stuff. Stay clear of Stegmeyer's though (which, to be fair, is from Wilkes-Barre).

It would have been great to have met Gareth, but too damn busy this week. Will you be swinging up to NYC this trip, Gareth?

Maria -- college in and around Philly would be great. Esp. if you get into U. Penn, Swarthmore, Haverford, or Villanova.

Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 12 October 2002 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Bryn Mawr is also good

H (Heruy), Saturday, 12 October 2002 11:42 (twenty-three years ago)

jess, no she didnt have red hair

tad, yes, i arrive in nyc on wednesday, and i'm staying until sunday evening (going to the fap on the 18th)

h, bryn mawr was closed when i went there. wait, that was in dc!

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 12 October 2002 14:12 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
visit charlie the hen

silly hanle y ... allan iverson ate charlie the hen years ago!

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 9 December 2002 04:40 (twenty-three years ago)

but they never even kissed - wtf is up with htat?

Queen G (Queeng), Monday, 9 December 2002 17:49 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...
Where should one live in Philly?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

*sniff*

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

it depends really. how much money do you have? what will you be doing there? what sort of "lifestyle" do you enjoy? do you have a car? what's my motherfucking name?

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

my brother lived in that automobile-y apt building dowtown, i forget the name of it but it is very obv connected to automobiles, and elsewhere in that area for 9 years.

i would not advise u to live in that building. or yardley. elsewhere should be ok

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

walking distance of the italian market = classic

anywhere that will require you to get to and from center city by bus if you a) don't have a car and b) like to stay out past 11 = dud

maura (maura), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

live near any WaWa and you'll be set for life

I really miss those WaWas..

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

you and me both, brother!

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

mmmm 24oz. wawa caramel coffee...

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

maura is on point tho...if you don't have a car, i wouldn't recommend living anywhere above, say 35th st. and past catharine or christian. this is a pretty small area, but philly has the WORST PUBLIC TRANSPORT EVER. lemme say that again, WORST. EVER. they need a mussolini so bad.

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I just remember walking in one of those when i was like 8, and thinking how it was so much cooler and more grandiose in convenience-store qualities, than anything back home I'd ever seen (back home = Pittsburgh). Do not ask me why.

but of course thats an apt analogy for anything re: my hometown vs. yours, except, of course, the "stillers" and all that

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

as a non-sports fan pennsylvania = ick

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

actually philly's transport system is still a smite better than LA's, but since thats so obvious u dont have to include us when u use words like "ever"

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha yeah it's fairly telling that i haven't watched a single game since moving

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

it's also kind of disturbing that i can have warm nostalgic feelings about a chain convenience store

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

but WaWa's is much more than that dude, it's an EXPERIENCE! like that whole Benjamin Franklin museum thingee. Is that still around?

I never went to that but always wanted to. Downtown Philly is a lot of fun when you're visiting as agrade-schooler. And you're surrounded by much-taller adults who can act as your bodyguards, etc, when anyone on the street comes within a 50 foot radiii of you

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

the FRANKLIN INSTITUTE, oh man nostalgia overload...also, the natural science museum down the street with DINOSAURS

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, if I could, i would actually just rent out one of those 18th century flats/condo type things, if I'd really be pondering where to live in Philly. I know it would probably be illegal and cost unbelievable amounts of $ if it wasn't, but just think how rad it would be to have a har har, halloween costume party, in your own little colonial condo thing. Just start dressing in those costumes more and more until gradually you start wearing all that on a daily basis and ride your own horse to work, and see how long it is until you're either arrested or turned into a cult god-figure, etc.

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

YES I think we actually went to that institute when i was in the 4th grade or something. There was a pendulum there and this exhibit on Franlinian electricity etc. I really thought Philadelphia was so cool because of that. PENDULUMS. WOW.


Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

it depends really. how much money do you have?
Uh. I don't have a job lined up anywhere else. I'm just looking at cities for now. I'm not too terribly poor, but my rent is currently only $625 plus utilities (which is shared with Nick/ albeit, we have a great deal on our place).

what will you be doing there?
I dunno. I like to go to thrift stores, play in rock bands, see indie films...

what sort of "lifestyle" do you enjoy? do you have a car?

We (Nick & I) each have our own cars. I like old row houses and lofts. Never actually lived in a loft but always thought they seemed cool. I'm not generally interested in high rise apartment buildings with hundreds of rooms in them.

I would like to live in walking distance of some fun eateries/coffee shops (as in local ones, not chains) in a fairly low crime area. A sort of artsy area would be nice.

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

well, you'd probably want to stay above broad st. then...between 14th and 1st...anything past south st. - towards south philly, not center city - is going to be generally cheaper, but the area where maura and i both lived - bella vista - while nice, is undergoing hella gentrification. you can probably still find a nice place for around your current rent, if not less. the further out you get from center city the cheaper it is.

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i get a wawa hoagie every wednesday after my show. hooray for the wawa right near the dinky station!!

there are lots of thrifting/consignment opportunities in philadelphia -- supposedly this new store at front and girard is awesome, but i'm going to also guess that it's pretty picked-over by hipsters, as many of them are moving to that neighborhood (northern liberties/fishtown, which has nice, cheap apartments -- and one of the best pubs in town -- but seems more crime-prone than other areas recently).

the indie film landscape is ok, better than most medum-sized cities, but in center city it's pretty much run by one company (the ritz mini-chain), one that tends to trend very heavily towards miramaxian flicks and playing popular movies of that ilk on multiple screens (grr). the theatre in doylestown is quite lovely and gets really nice repertory movies.

secret cinema can't be beat in terms of unearthing cult-film gems. and there's a nice rep-film series at the chestnut hill public library (accessible by train if you don't have a car) in the fall/winter. and there are also lots of nice opportunities to see pictures outdoors in the summer.

did you know i'm thinking of moving back? for real.

maura (maura), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.wawa.com/coolmerchandise/images/coolmerch-shortie-big.jpg

"Hi, my name is Shorti. I am a six-inch Wawa hoagie and people call me Shorti; I can be made in your favorite flavor, fresh to go - I'm really sporty. I'm also fun to play with and can be your favorite friend; Hold my hands and hug me tightly, I'll delight you hours on end."

maura (maura), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Maura, Jess, whoever else - do you have sites with pix of Philly? Or know of good ones? Like pix of neighborhoods as opposed to the tourist attractions?

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

maura i dont know whether to be delighted or disgusted by that

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i may end up moving down, too. i spent the 4th weekend with my relatives -- maybe i'm just getting sick of NYC? only drawback -- i'd have to take the PA bar exam. i'm not going through bar exam hell again if i can help it.

sarah, maybe you should browse the city paper's online apartment ads, to get a feel for the rental prices. it's cheaper than NYC, but everything's cheaper than NYC.

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I've done that a bit, Tad, it's just hard to tell since there aren't any pix what I'd be getting myself into. But we'll take a trip there soon and explore some neighborhoods.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

hey sarah i looked on google for some decent philly websites and came up with nada. if you're driving into philly, park somewhere central (on or around broad st. between market st. and south st.) and just walk around in like a 20 block radius and you'll get a good idea of the different neighborhoods close to center city. (parking is an absolute bitch...it's probably worth it to park in a lot, because philly traffic cops are some of the bigges hardasses i've ever come across.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't the latest bitch in philly that there's too many parking garages? that's why i'm always confused when folks say that there's a parking problem there.

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

street parking is still a problem, as i remember from last winter. the meters in well travelled areas are out of control (.25 for like 10 minutes or something on south street), but they're still cheaper than garages, which will probably run you anywhere from $15-25 for 8 hours. the real problem is the cops though...they must have a fucking LEGION of meter maids, cuz no matter where i am - if i'm even 5 minutes late - i get a ticket.

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

more philly shit:

http://www.wawa.com/wawaprofile/images/wawagasstore-new1.jpg

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...
Revive for trip #2 (this weekend).

Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i miss wawa :(

H (Heruy), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

They have Wawa all down the east coast, it's not really a Philly thing. They've got 'em in VA at least.

NA (Nick A.), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

wawa HQs is in the philly metro area ... and i haven't seen one in the NYC metro area yet.

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah, go here and have the white chocolate cheesecake with raspberry glaze http://pinkrosepastry.com/homepage.html

H (Heruy), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

According to this page, there are Wawas in Delaware, New Jersey, PA, VA, and Maryland.

NA (Nick A.), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i know that there are NJ wawas cause in high school i lived on wawa coffee. but i grew up in central jersey ... north jersey is all about quikchek.

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

motherfucker don't front: we INVENTED the wawa, just like puff daddy invented the remix

i miss utz chips

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

the family that owns wawa corp. won't build wawas in the new york metro area because of "safety concerns", reportedly. they also don't offer lotto tickets or racy magazines like the sports illustrated swimsuit issue in-store due to their religious inclinations. odd people. great store, though. i was really big on the cult of wawa until i worked there for a summer and got fired for really stupid shit. can't beat their coffee, though.

justin s., Monday, 28 July 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Gareth and I saw Wawas sprinkled all over the Jersey Shore.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 28 July 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

god i want a wawa coffee so bad right now

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 July 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I know it's not Philly but tell me something about West Chester.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Monday, 28 July 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...
goddammit, the NYC/northern NJ blackout settles it ... i'm officially looking for a job in Philly starting Monday. having to sit for the PA bar can only be slightly less painful than sitting in a hot and dark apartment for an entire summer's evening.

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 15 August 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

West Chester University: lots of education students (or that's the way it formerly was). Kind of a nice college-y place, from what I remember, but it's been a while.

Al Andalous, Friday, 15 August 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
I'm going to be in Philly this Fri and Sat--any cheapish hotel choices besides the Alexander (they seem to be booked). If possible, I'd like to be near Market-East station and/or the Market-Frankfurt line. Which is better to stay in, the Historic District or Center City? I looked at b and b's as well, but they all reeked of colonialsm.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)

ahhh... the alexander. i used to live on that block.

frankly, it doesnt matter if you stay in old city [ie, "historic district"] or center city. philadelphia is small enough that you can walk from one to the other.

hotels in philadelphia are expensive and are all going to be colonial - this city markets itself on being the birthplace of america [barf]. if you're looking at something inexpensive, you might want to check out the divine tracy hotel:

http://philadelphia.citysearch.com/profile/11495011

yes, its part of a religious sect -- floors are separated by gender and the wearing of shorts and miniskirts is not allowed. but its well maintained and inexpensive [60-70$ a night]. i dont think they're going to try and recruit you.

another suggestion is looking into the "phillys more fun when you sleep over" promo - i think it offers a discounted rate if you stay the weekend:

http://www.gophila.com/accommodations/

from your suggestion of wanting to stay near market-east station, it sounds like you may be taking the train into the city. hopefully you are aware that the R7 stops at three locations in the city: 30th street, suburban station [right underneath city hall] and market east. so you neednt limit yourself to finding accomodations merely around one station.

getting around town, its better to use the bus system than the MF line. best buses to catch westward are the 42 and 21 on walnut street, those go eastward on chestnut; the 40 which goest west on lombard and east on pine.

like i said before, downtown philadelphia is small, in fact, its very walkable. septa is also expensive [2$ one way!] so you're better off hoofing it.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you, Maria. Luckily, I called the Alexander this morning and it turns out they have a room for me after all. It's really perfect for me because it turns out it is quite near the Chinatown bus drop-off. The receptionist sounded like a nice version of Michel from Gilmore Girls, I have a good feeling about this one. Any places I should check out in this area?

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

record shopping: spaceboy, aka music, phila record exchange, repo, rustic

clothes: barefeet shoes [on south, awesome cheap selection of crazy shoes], retrospect [good thrift/vintage selection, can be a little pricey], vagabond [in olde city, good local designers], buffalo exchange [another thrift/vintage place], walnut street is lined with small shops

eating: maoz [awesome falafel open until 3AM], lorenzos [massive slices of pizza for 2$, open until 3AM], minar palace [indian minus the buffet - thank god!], royal tavern [excellent food at reasonable prices], tritone, el vez, new wave cafe, sunwishes [excellent vegetarian menu], sugar/tattooed moms, blue in green [only open for breakfast?], 10th street pourhouse [open until 2:30, i used to work here!] silk city diner, abbaye, standard tap, las cazuelas

drinking: royal tavern, low bar, silk city, 700 club, where ever there is a fun dj event going on

live music: the khyber, north star, tritone, the fire, silk city, first unitarian church

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
we're going to philly today! i'm printing this thread out. cheesesteaks are our main concern tho.

cathy berberian (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 15 January 2005 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

philly kinda sucks.

but i bought a record by gut bank!!

cathy berberian (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 16 January 2005 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

T/S: Pat's vs. Geno's vs. Jim's

"wiz wit" only plz

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i bought a record by gut bank in philly. it kinda sucked. true story!

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought my Half Japanese video there. I wonder how much I could get for it?

I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i bought a Gwar bootleg there once. wait, what am i saying, i bought everything there once for almost 15 years. i am disqualified.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i bought October File by Die Kruezen there and it turned out I'd also bought their debut on the same CD! Which is good, cuz I was looking for it. It's not that great but it doesn't suck either. I like Philly. It's my kind of suck, I think (hope, as I'm on my way in less than a year). It's definitely a step or eighteen up from State College.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Philly. It's my kind of suck, I think (hope, as I'm on my way in less than a year). It's definitely a step or eighteen up from State College.

do you like cereal?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

yes.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i am confused, though.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:49 (twenty-one years ago)

it is too good! die kreuzen are the bizzomb! and philly is fine for living. it can get a little too cozy for comfort at times and people have a habit of disappearing into the woodwork instead of being the gogetters that they thought they were when they moved there, but other than that it's a-ok. what i'm saying is, it's easy to become a slack motherfucker in philly. nobody is really gonna push you too hard. which was fine by me. i am a little sleepy. this is just a roundabout way of saying the inevitable: it ain't new york. (but there are lots of cool catz in philly. you just have to try harder to find them.)

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I already know lots of cool cats in philly, which is one of the reasons I'm going there. And your description reaffirms why this sounds perfect.

I like DK but I kinda expected more from the hype.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

basically I need to find out if I'm a slack motherfucker or a go-getter. It's a lot harder to go-get in SC then there unless you want to put some roots down, which I don't.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i am confused, though.

be confused no longer. esp. if you plan on living in or around university city!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

philly has also changed a lot since i first moved there in the scary 80's. it has come a long way. and there a lot more young non-philly people who live there and this is a good thing because they don't know about the philly laws like: "don't toot your own horn", "complain a lot about the city", "who do you think you are, some kind of bigshot?", and "hey! i've done it like this for 50 years, who are you to say i'm insane!". stuff like that. cuz that kind of stuff rubs off on you.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

philly has also changed a lot since i first moved there in the scary 80's. it has come a long way.

yeah, like the fact that center city now has a gen-yoo-wine skyline. tossing the gentleman's agreement "no building taller than the brim of william penn's hat" aside was a great decision for no small number of reasons.

and the city needs a sports championship in the WORST way -- last one was 1983 (w/ the sixers), or villanova in 1985 if you wanna push it. short way of saying ... root for the eagles tomorrow!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry I've been living around Penn State too long to root for the home team. I like this place better when JoePa and the boys are sucking eggs (last two years have been lovely). Less drunken alumni almost running me over in parking lots. Less screaming. If they keep this up the town's gonna have to find something else to get excited about! The whole loser-town/big-town schism about philly appeals, as I'm not sure which type I like more.

I even forgot the Super Bowl was tomorrow. Is it tomorrow? Fuck, that probably means my drinking buddy is gonna be AWOL.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

super bowl isn't tomorrow, just the playoffs ... though if the eagles lose tomorrow, there won't be a super bowl for them this year (just like every year since 1980).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

people have a habit of disappearing into the woodwork instead of being the gogetters that they thought they were when they moved there, but other than that it's a-ok

I was never a go-getter.

Philadelphia does kind of suck. Seventeen Free Library employees (probably all librarians, once everything shakes out) are going to be laid off. Twenty branches are going to be converted into "Express" branches, unstaffed by librarians. (They will be run by LAIIIs, library assistant supervisors.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll say "Go Eagles!" now, but no promises when I actually move there.


(x-post that fucking sucks)

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

But that's a reflection of the city's poor financial status. There are things on the horizon that could make a difference: legalized casino gambling (though that could also be a destructive force) and the likely relocation of the Barnes Foundation to the Parkway, along with the possible creation of a Calder museum there, which could turn the Parkway into more of a tourist attraction. For that matter, there is the new central library that is going to be built, but by the time it's built, library morale will probably be so low that the staff will end up blowing it up out of spite.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

And, at the very least, Mayor Street has surrounded himself with corrupt associates (with the late Ron White as the most extreme case).


Posted on Sat, Jan. 15, 2005

A second guilty plea in probe of City Hall

Charles LeCroy, who worked for J.P. Morgan Securities, now concedes that he helped arrange an illegal payment.

By Emilie Lounsberry

Inquirer Staff Writer


Another defendant in the City Hall corruption investigation is changing his plea to guilty.

Four days before he was to stand trial, Charles LeCroy, a former J.P. Morgan Securities executive, agreed yesterday to admit to charges filed in the federal investigation into contracting practices in Philadelphia city government.

LeCroy, who had been a managing director at the company, is scheduled to plead guilty on Tuesday to helping arrange an illegal $50,000 payment to lawyer Ronald A. White, a longtime Mayor Street supporter.

LeCroy, a Florida resident, will become the second former J.P. Morgan executive to plead guilty to wire fraud in connection with the payment. A subordinate, former vice president Anthony C. Snell, pleaded guilty Thursday.

But unlike Snell's, LeCroy's plea agreement does not call for cooperating with prosecutors and giving information to help the long-running City Hall investigation. LeCroy's attorney, Catherine M. Recker, declined comment.

Federal prosecutors contend that LeCroy and Snell set up the $50,000 payment to curry favor with White, a power broker known for his ties to Street, and in turn to win more city business for the company.

The two had been scheduled to stand trial, beginning Tuesday, with longtime Philadelphia investment banker Denis Carlson, who is accused of lying to the FBI agents who questioned him during the corruption inquiry.

Carlson's attorney, William A. DeStefano, said Carlson would stand trial.

The three were among 12 people named in June in a sweeping corruption indictment that also charged former city treasurer Corey Kemp, along with White, who died of cancer in November. Kemp's trial is scheduled for Feb. 14.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still moving.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

that makin' time party is supposed to be pretty good

phil-two (phil-two), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

ts: [philly vs. nyc] vs. [portland vs. seattle]

fwiw, i meant "philly kinda sucks" in an affectionate-teasing sorta way. yes, it "kinda sucks," but i've also got a lotta love for shitty old industrial towns.

cathy berberian (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, also SEPTA is massively fucked, but I think they are going to have to bail it out somehow, just to keep the economy in the area from collapsing.

But a lot depends on, well, obviously, what you spend your time doing. It can be an enjoyable place, within limits, if you are busy doing good things. I felt much better about Philadelphia when I used to go out more (or at all), so hopefully that will change once I resume. It probably has a lot of potential for real bohemians. I have a very middle class nervous system, plus I need medical insurance. Bohemianism isn't a good option for me.

But the problems are deep and stark, and when the sort of policy changes Bush is making at a national level will show up in ugly ways in Philadelphia earlier than they will in other places.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i miss it. you know? i really do. it was my home.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, also SEPTA is massively fucked, but I think they are going to have to bail it out somehow, just to keep the economy in the area from collapsing.

yeah, what exactly the FUCK is going on w/ that? i mean, rendell of all people has to know how important public transportation is for metro philadelphia -- is this some B.S. from the rest of the state (ie, bozos from santorum-land who are all like, "i don't want my steeeeenking taxes going to philadelphia"?). the rest of PA is called "pennsyltuckey" for good reason!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 16 January 2005 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

doesnt maraa live in philly? lets get together and fuck.

(i am trying for that 95% rejetion 5% acceptance thing obv)

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 16 January 2005 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't truly understand the SEPTA situation. It's probably partly mismanagement, but I also don't think SEPTA gets as much money from the state as most other public transportation systems. I do think Rendell is trying, but I think the state assembly is Republican-dominated.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 16 January 2005 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

maoz [awesome falafel open until 3AM]

Where is this?!

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 16 January 2005 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

My favorite falafel is from the truck on 40th Street, between Locust and Spruce (or close). And don't listen to what jess said about not eating at trucks. I can't believe he'd be more squeamish about that than I am. He's probably partly right, but I often eat food from trucks and I manage to survive.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 16 January 2005 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
Posted on Fri, Feb. 11, 2005


Library cuts draw angry responses
Hours were slashed at 20 city branches. The director says he had little choice.
By Murray Dubin
Inquirer Staff Writer

Evelyn Flaherty, with gray in her hair and sweetness in her face, asked two questions of Elliot L. Shelkrot, president and director of the Free Library of Philadelphia. Her voice dripped with outrage, not sugar.

"What happens to our story hour in the morning? How could you have a library without a librarian?"

Shelkrot, surrounded by members of the Friends of the Lawncrest Library, listened and grimaced ever so slightly.

He said to Flaherty, president of Lawncrest Friends: "I am not going to be able to satisfy you."

On Monday, the Lawncrest Branch in the Northeast had its hours changed from full days to half days, 1 to 5 p.m., Monday to Saturday. It will have no librarian and no evening hours. A library assistant will be in charge.

Lawncrest will join 19 other library branches slated to become "express libraries," open afternoons six days a week, but without master's-degree librarians trained to use reference materials - all part of a reconfiguration that Shelkrot says was forced upon him by city and state budget cuts. His choices were closing some of the city's 55 branches or shortening hours and reducing services. He chose the latter and restored Saturday afternoon hours.

That explanation has not seemed to satisfy anyone. On Saturday, Flaherty and hundreds of other library advocates, librarians, library users, union leaders and public officials are expected to attend a "Love Your Library" rally at 10 a.m. on the steps of the Central Library, 19th and Vine Streets.

The frustration with what some are calling the 20 "McBranches" is growing.

"Would you do the same thing with the schools - keep them open and have the aides teach?" asked Amy Dougherty, executive director of the Friends of the Free Library, an advocacy organization. "What were they thinking?"

"This is unheard of," said Cathy Scott, head of Local 2187 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. "We're talking about a book depository, not a library. And this is absolutely a slippery slope. We're talking about 20 branches this year, but how many next year?"

Shelkrot said he hoped that the economy improves and that the 20 library branches could again operate full days.

In South Philadelphia, the Charles Santore Branch went afternoons-only Monday.

"It stinks that they didn't get together with the neighbors first," said John Smyth, who is active in the community.

Community leaders in the Haddington area of West Philadelphia met last week to discuss what they could do about the Haverford Branch, which went to half time two weeks ago.

"They had programs that help little children with reading. It's a place for families to get together to learn and relax. A lot of services take place on Monday and Wednesday nights, and that's not going to happen anymore," said Charmaine Milligan, a community organizer.

She added that block captains are distributing petitions to persuade the Street administration to increase library funding.

The Torresdale Branch will be changed to half days by mid-April. Resident and local Friends member Linda Colwell-Smith said: "I understand Mr. Shelkrot's problems, but he could have asked the community first."

And at the Wadsworth Branch in Northwest Philadelphia, former Friends head Bertha Feamster is not pleased.

"We have people who can't get there before 5. And some children can't get there because they have to wait on their parents to get home from work," she said.

She disputed the official library system response that the 20 changed libraries are all near full-day branches. "West Oak Lane Library is the nearest, and it's not walking distance. On SEPTA, it's two buses."

City Councilman Michael A. Nutter, who has seven branches in his district - three of which are among the 20 - plans to hold hearings next month on library funding.

He wants to see whether money for libraries can be found in the $2 billion the city spends in professional service contracts. And he wants to examine the huge amounts spent on new sports stadiums and the declining money spent on arts, culture, recreation and libraries.

"No one," he said, "would have supported that scenario if it would have been presented like that."

Library-funding woes are not the city's alone. From Salinas, Calif., to Erie, Pa., many cities have the same difficulty.

Carol Brey-Casiano, president of the American Library Association, said that $81.8 million had been lost in library budgets nationwide in the last 13 months - "and that's only what's reported to us."

She said that Philadelphia's solution of 20 branches without librarians is one she had never heard before.

A library administrator in El Paso, Texas, she added: "Every community has to decide how to provide the most service within the budget constraints they face. The choices are difficult."

Which is what Shelkrot tried to explain to the Lawncrest Friends last week.

The library system employed 762 full-time workers in 2001, and all its branch libraries were open Monday to Saturday. But its state funding was cut in half, and its city funding gets whittled yearly. Now, four years later, the city budget office insists on 630 employees by the end of June, or a cut of about 17 percent since 2001.

In that time, Shelkrot said he had been playing "a shell game," not lessening service as staffing shortages led to more than 700 hours of emergency closings from July to December, 2004. Nor did he ever say publicly how bad things were getting. "We've been hiding it," he said bluntly.

The most recent city paring caused 17 more staff cuts, 13 of them librarians. That forced Shelkrot and his staff to finally readjust the service to fit the financial realities.

Rita Henninger, 82, a former Lawncrest Friends president, was almost in tears. "This is very upsetting," he said.

Shelkrot said that about $5 million annually was needed to return to 2001 staffing levels and urged people to contact their political leaders.

Amy Dougherty, of the citywide Friends, said there are schools throughout the city without libraries that depend on public libraries.

"It's time to say," she said, "that education is a priority for economic development."

City Libraries With Service Cuts

Philadelphia officials will change 20 full-day library branches to half-day service from 1 to 5 p.m. Monday through Saturday. No librarian is assigned. The reconfiguration will be phased in by mid-April.

Four branches changed on Jan. 24

Haverford, 5543 Haverford Ave.

Holmesburg, 7810 Frankford Ave.

Queen Memorial, 1201 S. 23d St.

Wadsworth, 1500 Wadsworth Ave.

Six branches changed this week

Charles L. Durham, 3320 Haverford Ave.

Fishtown, 1217 E. Montgomery Ave.

Kingsessing, 1201 S. 51st St.

Lawncrest,6098 Rising Sun Ave.

Roxborough, 6245 Ridge Ave.

Charles Santore, 932 S. Seventh St.

Branches with changes to come

Cecil B. Moore, 2320 W. Cecil B. Moore Ave.

Eastwick, 2851 Island Ave.

Fumo Family, 2437 S. Broad St.

Haddington, 446 N. 65th St.

Kensington, 104 W. Dauphin St.

McPherson Square, 601 E. Indiana Ave.

Oak Lane, 6614 N. 12th St.

Ogontz,6017 Ogontz Ave.

Torresdale,3079 Holme Ave.

Wyoming, 231 E. Wyoming Ave.

SOURCE: Free Library of Philadelphia

RS, Friday, 11 February 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i work at 38th & spruce, so i always eat at the trucks. jess can fuck off -- mexicali rules.

maoz is on south street. its been covered in the CP & PW so this is not news.

also, fuck you to anyone who thinks this city sucks [ie, cathy], and does not live here. the only people allowed to address its suckitude are its residents, like me.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

maria, I haven't walked around South Street for ages, so I guess that's how I missed it. (Not that I'm too cool for South Street, but I already have wasted many hours of my life wandering around there.)

RS, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
This probably won't be successful, but it could still have a positive impact on the situation.


DiCicco seeks to rescind $30 million library expansion
Despite reassurances that the project would not hurt branches, he said, cuts have begun.
By Angela Couloumbis
Inquirer Staff Writer

At its last meeting of 2004, City Council gave grudging approval to spending $30 million to expand the Central Branch of the Free Library of Philadelphia.

But at Council's public session yesterday, Councilman Frank DiCicco introduced a bill to rescind approval for the funds, which among other things are to be used to renovate the existing beaux-arts building and provide a 160,000-square-foot addition to its north.

DiCicco said that he believed the proposed expansion was coming at the expense of neighborhood library branches, which have taken a hit under the city's proposed $3.5 billion budget for the next fiscal year.

He said the $30 million bond issue would result in $3.5 million in annual debt service, money that would make up for the Street administration's proposed cuts to branch libraries.

When he voted to approve the bond issue in December, DiCicco said, he expressed his worries that the expansion would hurt smaller branches. At the time, he said, library officials testified that plans were being sketched to ensure that the branches would not be hurt.

Then in January, the city announced it would begin switching 20 branch libraries to half-day service. The city also sent pink slips to 17 library workers.

"I'd like to be perfectly clear - I understand the necessity of this project, and I believe expansion will benefit the city," DiCicco said. "But unfortunately, I do not believe that is enough.

"It's time for this Council to stand up and do what is right, and it's time for this administration to listen," he added.

The expansion bill approved by Council in December calls for a complex financing plan under which the $30 million would be borrowed by the Philadelphia Authority for Industrial Development, which effectively would own the library grounds and lease them to the city.

Several Council members, as well as City Controller Jonathan Saidel, had said they were concerned that the city was borrowing more money while facing difficult financial times, and proposed alternative ways of paying for the expansion.

Mayor Street said borrowing was the best course. And his spokesman, Dan Fee, said yesterday: "Council has proven repeatedly that it has a million ideas to increase spending - but few when it comes to ways to decrease it."

Elliot L. Shelkrot, the Free Library's president and director, said he did not view DiCicco's proposal as a major setback. "To have people discussing the importance of libraries is a wonderful thing, and I am glad these discussions are taking place."

In other business yesterday, Councilman W. Wilson Goode Jr. introduced a bill requiring certain city contractors to pay at least 150 percent of the minimum wage to its employees, raising the minimum hourly wage from $5.15 to $7.72.

Goode said that at the rate of $5.15 per hour, even if someone works 40 hours a week, every week in the year, he or she would earn only about $10,700.

The bill would cover:

For-profit firms that receive contracts worth $10,000 or more in a 12-month period, and that have annual gross receipts of more than $1 million.

Businesses employing more than 25 people that have city leases, concessions or franchises.

Firms that receive more than $100,000 in city financial aid in a 12-month period.

"Obviously, the purpose of this legislation is to ensure that many employees as possible in the city of Philadelphia earn a wage that enables them to live with more dignity and increase economic self-sufficiency," Goode said.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 1 April 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

yeah, its not going to help.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 1 April 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
This whale is the only thing that makes me optimistic about the city:

The Whale Returns
Beluga Whale Spotted In The Schuylkill River

Apr 27, 2005 10:04 pm US/Eastern

The wayward beluga whale that spent a week in the Delaware River earlier this month has returned - but not to the Delaware.

Nine days after Helis was spotted swimming back to the ocean, the Coast Guard received reports that the 12-foot white whale was seen today beneath the Girard Point Bridge on Philadelphia’s smaller Schuylkill River.

And a Philadelphia police boat was providing an escort tonight as the whale headed further up the Schuylkill.

Authorities believe the whale, originally from Canada’s Saint Lawrence River and estimated to be about 30 years old, swam up the Delaware for a week earlier this month to feed on shad making their spring spawning run upriver.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

you're the only one then.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 28 April 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Apparently some magazine just voted you the most depressed city in the US.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 28 April 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

WE HAVE A WHALE THOUGH!

RS, Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

the whale is depressed.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 28 April 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

speaking of philly... two fun things to do tomorrow night:

6 pm - 8 pm
Opening Reception - Richard Pettibone: A Retrospective
The first retrospective of Richard Pettibone's work in over twenty years premiers at ICA. This exhibition presents the full range of the artist's career, approximately 200 paintings and 15 freestanding sculptures.

Institute of Contemporary Art (118 S. 36th Street)

- - - - - - - - - - -

7-9 pm
AKA Music Grand Opening

with: Man Man [Ace Fu Records}, DJ Julia Factorial & others

AKA Music (27 N. Second Street)
http://akamusicphilly.com/

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 28 April 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

fuck that whale

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 28 April 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

how dumb can they be!?

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 28 April 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

The scientists said the whale was happy.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
I'll be in town the 27th and 28th, tho beyond bearhunting at the Bike Stop and seeing one Phils game, I dunno what. Mutter Museum and Silk City I guess; I'm hemming and hawing on Sufjan at TLA (there still appear to be tix).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

ill be at sufjan.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Well, it appears I waited too long.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

id offer up my +1 but its for my HOT DATE.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Ah, damn hot dates! Maybe I'll try to scoop one outside TLA.

Perversely placed in DC thread:

>The National Constitution Center is a beautiful new museum...


It's not worryingly 'interactive'?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

There should be a thread called: Philadelphia: Think Again

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

David Lynch @ Penn Wednesday night:

http://www.specevents.net/


how easy is UPenn Museum to get to?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
So, I hear that that warehouse known as "The Warehouse" was shut down. Well, actually I know for a fact it was because I know that one of the guys that got kicked out.

That made me sort of sad. I don't live in Philly, and I've only been to the Warehouse a couple of times, and it was a while ago, but I had this image in my head that they were "really creating their own scene" there and it made me happy.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
Attention any Philadelphia peoples -- if you can help:

Sorry for the multiple bulletins, but we're just about ready lose our minds.

To recap, our van was stolen this morning around 8am from the Comfort Inn on Delaware Ave in Philadelphia. It was a white, 2003 Ford E-350, California license plates. ALL of our gear was taken. Here's a list of what's missing:

- 1966 Ludwig drum kit, blue sparkle
- 23" Paiste ride cymbal
- 1976 Fender P-bass, no finish, beat down, Bartolini pick-up
- 1993 Gibson SG, black
- 1973 Fender Telecaster Deluxe, cream, with marble pickguard, humbuckers
- Fender Twin Reverb amp, 70's silverface, master volume
- Fender Deville guitar amp
- early 70's Ampeg SVT bass head with 2 massive metal handles on the sides
- Ampeg SVT 410HLF bass cabinet
- Peavey keyboard amp
- 3 boxes of effects: 2 Line 6 delay pedals, Memory Man Deluxe, Big Muff, SansAmp Bass DI, Rat, MXR distortion, Cry Baby wah, 2 Boss EQ pedals, Boss Digital Delay, 2 Boss Tuners. These were in 3 different suitcases.
- Kurzweil K2000 keyboard
- Boss Dr. Sample

If anyone in the Philadelphia area has any info where this stuff might surface we'd really appreciate it. Or, if you find our van or our gear we can pay you handsome reward. Seriously.

As for the rest of the tour, here's what's happening:

Wed-DC - cancelled
Thur-Providence - cancelled
Friday-Wellesely College - cancelled
Sat-Mercury Lounge - still on
Sun-Mercury Lounge - still on
Monday- Memphis - ???
all SXSW shows are still on.

If anything changes or the equipment fairy makes a special delivery I'll post a bulletin here to let everyone know. Thanks to everyone who wrote to us. It really means a lot. Thanks again.

-Justin
Film School

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

six months pass...
Posted on Fri, Sep. 15, 2006
No smoking: Street OKs, then rips ban

By Michael Currie Schaffer
Inquirer Staff Writer

When Mayor Street signed legislation yesterday that finally banned bar and restaurant cigarette smoking in Philadelphia, he could have done so before a bank of cameras in his ceremonial reception room, surrounded by white-coated doctors and tobacco-free children.

In political terms, it would have been a killer photo opportunity.

Instead, after two weeks of veto threats and back-and-forth sniping with the bill's author, former City Councilman Michael A. Nutter, Street signed the bill in private. He notified a few allies via an early-morning e-mail and informed Council with a terse statement.

He eventually huddled with reporters in a City Hall side corridor, but repeatedly emphasized disappointment with the details rather than joy at achieving a broader goal.

"We have work that needs to be done before we can have a ban that I think we all can be really, truly proud of," he said.

The scene represented an apt finale to the six-year push for a smoking ban, a spectacle in which the rivalry between Street and Nutter - who profess to see eye to eye about tobacco - often took center stage.

Though the ban passed City Council in June, Street waited until the last possible day to sign it. The political fisticuffs with Nutter lasted just as long.

As late as Wednesday afternoon, the mayor was saying he hadn't made up his mind, reiterating criticisms of a provision that exempts outdoor cafes from the ban. Nutter had said he included the exemption in order to win enough support to pass the bill.

And even after Street signed it, he ripped Nutter for quitting City Council - in order to run for mayor - shortly after the narrow vote on the ban. Calling the resignation "unfair," Street said Nutter's absence left Council without enough votes to "fix" the bill.

In sharp contrast to the mayor, Nutter was exultant as he passed City Hall en route to his nearby campaign office.

"It's incredible," Nutter said. "It's a great day for Philadelphia. There are few things that I've worked on that will bring more good benefit to the city. Thousands and thousands and thousands of people will benefit now from a smoke-free environment in Philadelphia. I am very pleased and very proud of the work that City Council did."

Last night, Nutter was slated to get an award from the American College of Physicians for his antismoking leadership.

But while Nutter sponsored the bill, the deal that finally got it passed was brokered by Councilman Frank DiCicco, who made it contingent on further action this fall.

In June, DiCicco worked out a compromise that provided the necessary nine votes from the then-15 Council members in exchange for an agreement from colleagues to support a bill of his that would permanently exempt small neighborhood bars and private clubs. Under the current law, those establishments get only a two-year grace period before having to go smoke-free.

DiCicco's bill, still before Council, will provide members and the mayor with a further opportunity to tweak the ban.

Councilman Darrell L. Clarke, who also voted for the ban as part of DiCicco's compromise, worried this week that Nutter's departure would leave it without enough votes to pass, something Nutter disputed.

The DiCicco bill, however, says nothing about the outdoor cafes at the heart of Street's criticisms. DiCicco said yesterday that he told the mayor he would be willing to support closing that particular loophole. But he also professed a willingness to look into creating other exceptions, such as for establishments with ventilation systems for separate smoking rooms.

The mayor's signature means the smoking ban goes into effect immediately. Though the legislation had been introduced early enough to give bars some time to go smoke-free, it lingered in Council so long that its official start date of Jan. 9, 2006, passed well before it became law. Street said yesterday that he had instructed officials to begin planning a strategy for implementing the law.

DiCicco's compromise bill delays implementing the ban until Jan. 8, 2007 - meaning that if that measure passed, smoking in restaurants could briefly be legal again.

Street's decision to sign the bill drew praise from health advocates and business groups, including the American Cancer Society and the Greater Philadelphia Chamber of Commerce. Philadelphia joins 14 states and hundreds of cities in enacting a ban.

"By signing this bill, Mayor Street has cemented his legacy as a champion of public health," William V. Corr, executive director of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, said in a statement.

But for some antismoking advocates in City Hall, the last-minute political theater took some of the happiness out of the day.

"I'm just disappointed in the mayor's leadership," said Councilwoman Marian Tasco, often a sharp critic of Street. "To get into a shouting match with Michael Nutter, to continue a nonsensical relationship with him over this issue, was silly... . It looked so nonsensical for a man of his stature, the mayor of a city, to reduce himself to petty politics over a health issue."

For others on Council, though, there was relief the debate was over. Like few other issues, the smoking-ban vote had put members in the line of fire, with influential health groups on one side and popular local bar and restaurant owners on the other.

Councilwoman Joan L. Krajewski - who said she voted against the bill last spring because she believed the issue was a statewide matter - shifted gears yesterday and said she was glad the law had been enacted.

"I don't believe in smoking, let's put it that way," said Krajewski, a heavy smoker until she quit for health reasons four years ago.

Philadelphia's Smoking Ban

Some highlights of the smoking ban:

It prohibits smoking in all Philadelphia workplaces, including galleries, sports facilities, restaurants and most bars.

Fines range from $25 to $300 for violators.

The prohibition extends to the outside of buildings, 20 feet from entrances.

There are exceptions for outdoor cafes.

Private clubs and bars where at least 90 percent of income comes from drinks may apply for waivers.

The ban goes into effect immediately.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/counties/philadelphia_county/philadelphia/15522139.htm

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 16 September 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

haha pwned

katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 16 September 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

i'd still move back tho

katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 16 September 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, pretty much the happiest day of my life, that smoking ban.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 16 September 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

m, do you think I should wait a couple weeks before venturing back to clubs? I don't want to go back before people have gotten used to the ban and end up getting into some argument about someone smoking.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 16 September 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

thankfully this will never happen in baltimore because people here have nothing to live for

katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 16 September 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

eight months pass...
So it looks like the next mayor of Philadelphia is Michael Nutter. Okay, this was just the primary, but Philadelphia has not had a mayor who wasn't a Democrat since the 50's or something like that. I'm pretty happy with the outcome, even though I am nervous about his stop and frisk/neighborhood state of emergency plan. But if I'm going to trust someone to implement that, I trust someone who helped to create the Police Advisory Commission, which provides civilian oversight of the police. He's also probably more of a calculated politician than I like to think, but then, if he weren't, he probably wouldn't have won.

http://www.nutter2007.com/

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:02 (eighteen years ago)

Although I'm a little premature, if not all West Philly precincts have reported yet. Anyway, here--

http://elections.cbslocal.com/cbs/kyw/20070515/race1101.shtml

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:13 (eighteen years ago)

I remember thinking a while back (maybe even last summer?) that Nutter's campaigning wasn't very visible and when was he going to start putting himself out there and really running. I guess he knew what he was doing.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:25 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.jozev.com/images/products/Nabisco_Nutter_Butter_Sandwiches_Bx_tn.jpg

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:27 (eighteen years ago)

is katz running for the GOP again?!?

Eisbaer, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:32 (eighteen years ago)

Katz may run as an independent. There's already a Republican candidate. Honestly, though, I don't think he will run against Nutter. I think Nutter captures a lot of the Democrats-who-voted-for-or-would-consider-voting-for-Katz (which I somewhat sheepishly have to admit included me during the last mayoral election).

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:36 (eighteen years ago)

(Just to be clear, Katz did not run in the Republican primary this time around, but Katz did apply for the papers that allow you to run as an independent. Or something like that. I've never run for mayor, so I don't know the details.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:37 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, I guess all Katz did was change his party registration to "independent."

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:44 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

Philadelphia and its dog ass humidity.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 00:02 (eighteen years ago)

word.

da croupier, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 00:03 (eighteen years ago)


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