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...have you made any? Are you going to make any? Are you going to stick to them?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 29 December 2003 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

-- drink around 3 litres of water a day

-- shit my pants LESS than 10 times in 2004

-- find rigatoni boy boy and get him to fix my suit

-- find out where big l is burried and bury all my rare big l vinyl near him

-- try to focus my stalking on one woman at a time(insteade of 4-5), in the long run I will reap bigger rewards this way.

-- get at least 8 hours of sleep at any cost

-- STOP listening to the following songs:

* whitney houston- how will i know

* bonnie tyler- total eclipse of the heart

-- increase my vitamin a and cod liver oil intake

-- buy an umbrella(again)

-- record an album of classical music called "HIT ME IN THE COCK"

-- try to convince makoto kiyose the official leader of the groping club I am a member of that stalking is the future and groping is a primitive activity which will eventually see us all get arrested.

-- start trying to sell my play "dark penguin"

-- start work on my autobiography "confessions of a monstrous cheese"

-- spend more time stealing womens underwear

-- NEVER pay $40 for a lace see thru thong again, even if sandee westgate has worn it!

― Clif (DarrenK), Monday, 29 December 2003 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Sounds like some well thought out stuff there!?!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 29 December 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I'm gonna try to stop gossiping so much next year.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 29 December 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

You better stay off ilx then!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 29 December 2003 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

actually that could be my second resolution..

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 29 December 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

*NODS*

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 29 December 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Exercise. Make some money. Improve my fellatio technique. Inprove my chess openings so I can beat David. Raise my daughter good. Rock hard.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 29 December 2003 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Lose some weight I guess, get in trim to get big all over (with baby) I hope! Try to save some money. Knuckle down at work.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 29 December 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Same as last year. Get a job.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 29 December 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i like the title Dark Penguin...maybe cos it makes me think of dark chocolate Penguin bars

my resolution is simply to start kicking arse in every department, you've been warned

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 29 December 2003 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

You and whose army, m?

― Barry Lasagne (to be retired on 31st december 2003) (Mark C), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Retired? You wish.

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Hoppers, I only meant his rather hostile attitude. You can keep calling me Barry as long as you wish.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Well then, I look forward to another two days of hostility.

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Cunt.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(is that the kind of thing you had in mind? Or do you want me to throw Julio out of a pub again?)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 29 December 2003 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not making any this year, or any other year from here on! They never get accomplished, and just become another thing to dwell on.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 29 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

1. Buy a microwave for my new apartment
2. " " toaster oven " " " "
3. " " spatula " " " "
4. " " non-futon bed " " " "
5. " " dining table " " " "
6. " " chairs " " " "
7. " " couple or three ice trays " " " "
8. Stick to a budget and start saving up some money
9. Quit smoking
10. Use my vacation days more effectively
11. Fix my sampler up and complete the home studio and get cracking on some actual tunes finally
12. Take the GED, enroll in a Master's degree program and get my employer to pay for it
13. Start preparing to get CISSP certification as soon as I can meet the work experience requirement
14. Constantly remind myself of the contents of this list and why they are important until each one is completed to my satisfaction.

― TOMBOT, Monday, 29 December 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

1. do work in college

2. don't get annoyed by peoples opinions on music (haha unlikely)

3. quit smoking (even more unlikely since i can't sleep without cigarettes)

4. get more of my work printed.

5. do some excercise

6. revert to taking drugs more regularly/drinking less (this ties in with 5)

7. examine the validity of the accusation that I am "too bitter and neurotic to not be single". it's not true! nooo!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 29 December 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

15. Quit getting 'GED' and 'GRE' mixed up in my head, for fuck's sake

― TOMBOT, Monday, 29 December 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

tom, i love how resolution #8 contradicts the 7 that precede it.

― dyson (dyson), Monday, 29 December 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I can never think up good resolutions. Maybe I'll do that next year.

― Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Monday, 29 December 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I should probably just eat at restaurants instead

― TOMBOT, Monday, 29 December 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

http://216.25.78.123/bigpics/Panasonic/nnt993sf.jpg

― TOMWAVE, Monday, 29 December 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

¿como?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 29 December 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

1. water aerobics 3x week
2. start working towards US Sail certification
3. not cancelling any physical therapy appointments
4. save money

― Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 29 December 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

1. Make baby
2. Quit smoking
3. lay off the ice cream

― Chris 'Knuckle Deep' V. (Chris V), Monday, 29 December 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

1. lose 15 lbs
2. sell everything

― Allyzay, Monday, 29 December 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

1. stop reading ilx
2 (barring that): stop posting to ilx
3. go back to doing yoga
4. job (find one), or make plans/decisions toward career
5. motivation (have some)

― Anna February (Mary), Monday, 29 December 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

1. quit smoking again
2. deliver like dominoes
3. eat better
4. make more money
5. make better money

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 29 December 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

1. quit smoking.
2. don't piss off the new bosses.
3. save $$$.
4. fuck like a beast.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 29 December 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

5. with a partner.

― dyson (dyson), Monday, 29 December 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

1. work on my writing
2. commit to #1
3. cook more
4. relax more
5. keep my job

(Note: I'd resolve to go on a proper date with a fetching lass, but I've resolved that before and come up empty and bitter.)

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 29 December 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

never to talk in "snoop talk" for at leat the next 15 years, for shizzle!

― yetimike (McGonigal), Monday, 29 December 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

1) be a better flatmate
2) be more assertive and less apologetic about it, and less bitchy
3) cut back on drinking again

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 06:39 (twenty-two years ago)

3. anger management

― Allyzay, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 06:41 (twenty-two years ago)

1. get back to the gym
2. try to stop being mean
3. find a reason to live (or maybe just a hobby)
4. play guitar more
5. write something even if it sucks

― Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

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Serious answer: a) get a job b) get a relationship and manage not to pine when it ends.

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom's microwave looks like it's designed by Apple.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Learn to NOT REACT TO TROLLS. Seriously. I've been in stupid situations twice now this last year due to their silly trolling ways!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Why?

(sorry)

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

yeh i should really cut back on the troll-reacting too

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

but when you do it it brings teh funney, steve!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

that's very nice of you to say, but i am done with it i think - there's enough going round in circles round here as it is (i.e. i start a thread which someone else already started 2 years ago)

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

An ILX-wide resolution to ignore trolls would be a beautiful thing.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

yep!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

It'd make up for the not many mods thing, actually. But I don't trust people to follow it, somehow, tho me and Markelby and Stevem wouldn't be a bad start

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

What about a closed forum? I know it's been spoken about before & although it goes against ilx, surely it would put an end to the like of 'C'!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

But then you are kicking out people who are already here, and like it or not, that includes Calum. Who decides who gets to stay?

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

only kicking out trolls surely. Not saying it would work, just thinking out loud.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

It might work, considering how many people turn up here by referral... thinking out loud too.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

or maybe just the ability to ban ip adds.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Kick out Calum & Johnny Fitz, and set an age limit of 16.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Aja'd be great if she didn't insist on asking for things to be explained to her, tho.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Not that that's grounds for establishing/undermining a new rule obv

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think ilx is a place for a 12 year old!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, her mum obviously doesn't mind...

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

And, on thread, I should make a resolution not to derail threads, nor continue with the derailment started by others. In fact I think, carrying on from what Mark said about troll-ignoring, that everyone should resolve to make ILX the place they want it to be rather than whinging about how it isn't.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't really see what the problem is with Aja, apart from the weird thread started by the Dante guy falling in love with her.

xpost PP, I agree some minors can be a nuisance but Aja isn't that big a problem is she? Or have I missed something here?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Her mum posts pics of herself half naked, of course she isnt gonna mind. I just feel uncomfortable with a 12 year old on the board when certain subjects are discussed. Also, it is infuriating when she continually asks questions & posts irrelevant pics.
X-post

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I dont often moan about ilx, recently i took a break & it did me some good, but at the moment it is really weird. Sadly I cannot do anything about that. I would like to change it, but how can you do that?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew all about that crap when I was 12, to be honest I think ILX isn't a bad place for a 12yrold at all, so long as she avoids that grasping dork. And stops saying "what?".

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

so long as she avoids that grasping dork.

OTM. I think the "grasping dork" is a bigger PITA myself.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the real problem is that so many people insist on passing comment about people like Aja or engaging with her in whatever way when there is really no need, and to just not bother with those threads would see them peter out quick enough. same goes for c-man threads (of which i must plead guilty but as i said i think i can leave them alone now). i am disliking this whole 'whatever are we to do about such and such' attitude going round just as much as i am disliking c-man's irritating trolling and Aja's inability to understand people twice/thrice her age most of the time.

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Ste, Aja isn't a bad person, but her presence here has really disrupted ILX in a big way. Maybe some of that disruption was necessary, but her constant "what" and "why" comments just prove that someone of that age is certainly not getting much out of a grown-up forum like this and is spoiling things for a number of others.

(x-post after Andrew's)

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

on the other hand it is sort of funny how nasty so many people are being at this very special time of year

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I am not having a go (although i guess it seems like that) it justs disrupts threads, the same with C's abuse & the likes of Dada pics. F@#k it, I'll just nod & say everything is peachy!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry pink, yours and other people's (inc. mine) comments are entirely reasonable really but it just strikes me as better to not even bother commenting about it in the first place as this just draws more attention to it and makes it a bigger deal than it needs to be. no things are not peachy, but stick around anyway ok?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

btw Aja is likely to be the most frequent poster of the last 30 days by this time next week, which is quite extraordinary (esp. considering half of those posts are just 'What?')

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Locked forum! Locked forum! Completely locked forum!

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim, your wish is granted.
*waves wand*

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I dunno, Steve. ILX suffers (IMO) from not having more fixed posting guidelines, and unfortunately it's been proved countless times you can't expect even the regulars to behave with anything like maturity or consideration for others.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess the only reason a 12 year old would keep coming back here was if they were getting attention. So right enough of Aja, back to NY resolutions matters ..

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Thing is though Stevem, if you dont say anything then you just get pissed off & leave. I dont agree with the threads that bash individual posters, but surely if alot of ppl are onjecting to something...

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post

this may be true Mark but i'm pretty sure that c-man and Aja wouldn't still be around if people didn't respond to them in the ways that they do (that goes for me too). so no response at all seems like the best way out of whatever you consider this situation to be (a big deal, a horrible mess, a storm in a teacup...)

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think i have ever responded to any of C's derogatory threads, but he's still here because ppl still get insensed & respond.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Thing is though Stevem, if you dont say anything then you just get pissed off & leave

Or else be big enough to ignore it? There are plenty people on this board who irritate the fuck out of me, but I ignore then. I suggest everyone else does the same. If they are being offensive, that's one thing. But annoying? Since when was that a crime?

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

from my personal point of view, being such a frequent pos(t)er on here now, i am frustrated by the lack of current 'quality content' here - this would explain why i respond to most C-Man threads in some way, i am looking for it to go somewhere that interests me - usually it doesn't of course. i am also frustrated by my own offline situation and by my imagination in these online situations. in addition to those factors it is a bad time for a forum that by and large revolves around people relieving their boredom at WORK - so i expect the place to become more active and interesting in around a month's time. then again, i look back at how it used to be, before i turned up, and see many interesting and amusing threads, the kind of thing that doesn't need to be revived, and i understand how a lot of people might feel that there's a natural decline going on, in accordance with their own natural loss of interest in ILX. am i making sense? i hope so...

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, I'll try to be bigger in future!!
x-post

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

most people aren't back at work yet, even if it won't necessarily be amazing when they get back, that's still worth bearing in mind.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Pink, I wasn't meaning you personally. I just thought what you said was a bit of a generalisation. I'm sure a lot of people are fed up of Calum, but the vast people aren't getting up and leaving, or retaliating. They're just getting on with it like he wasn't here.

Also, surely all the wailing and gnashing of teeth is part of the malaise? Someone want to start "I Hate I Love Everything" so this can go elsewhere, leaving everyone else to post pictures of kittens and talk about other stuff?

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Steve, you're misunderstanding. Maybe I'm just becoming a parody, but we need to talk about the need to ignore them. Otherwise smartarses will continue to make smartarse comments and feed the flames.

Alternatively, I'd be happy for Alan or Andrew to decree something that makes it all clear. As long as we can get away from all the hating between REGULARS which the present situation seems to be catalysing.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the problem is not many people really care anymore, in the sense that there are too many people for any one group of people to care enough etc. ILX is an out of control minecart.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

but isn't it true that the only reason we're complaining is because we feel that 'OUR' place is being taken away from us or desecrated in some way? is that a good or bad thing? how you put a stop to it i don't know

Aja and C-Man are a lot more regular than many 'regulars' now!

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

That surely doesn't make it a good thing steve.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm complaining because good people are either put off or turned nasty and cynical because of everything.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm almost beyond the capacity to complain. It seems the current philosophy is a laissez-faire approach that is NOT WORKING -- or rather, it would work beautifully if one could set personal preferences to screen out those threads/posts from hated fools like C***m. The board not being set up that way, the result is having to look dully at their presence because apparently there's a belief that simply ignoring said threads/posts/posters will cause them to go away. I don't see that happening -- it reminds me of the situation that caused the abandonment of alt.music.alternative back in early 2000, when the core of regulars there was fed up with the endless trawl through spam and eBay threads. It hasn't gotten that bad here, thank fuck, but I'm not pleased with the comparison coming to mind.

X-post, what Markelby said. Many FUCKING times over.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

My NYR

1) Less ILX, more Freaky Trigger
2) Less of things that are very bad for me in favour of things that are only quite bad for me.
3) Exercise as per.
4) Get halfway through Popular.
5) Put book proposal together.
6) Keep flat looking the way we want it to look.
7) Learn more about cooking (this I think is the only one I kept last year so I will put it in again!)

Ned the laissez-faire approach has to some extent been thrust upon us.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned the laissez-faire approach has to some extent been thrust upon us.

This is true, but its apparent weaknesses already beg for either a replacement or a refinement.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

good ones Tico, I can agree with number 7 definitely!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

respected Ned, but if the last 20 or 30 calum threads (inc. 'serious' ones) had received no answers at all do you think he would still bother? really? i'd be amazed if he did. but of course people are compelled to reply, sometimes to address the 'point' seriously and sometimes to insult him as he has insulted others. i suppose it is moot as this hasn't happened. i do care about ILX - enough/not enough to object to guys like Ned being quite brutal in deleting posts and threads for whatever reason they see fit. i trust them, and i don't think anybody would really care at all if c-man disappeared tomorrow (despite his belief that ILX is obsessed with him).

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Markelby's posts on this subject have been very wise I think, also stevem's about 'our' place etc. The problem w/ignoring is that a/some people are very very good at baiting b/new posters don't know about certain poster's history c/certain posters will up the ante w/r/t obnoxious material being posted in order to get the response they desire.

The killer for good lists, in my experience has been when interesting, but undemonstrative people just get fed up w/it, and quietly give up posting, and look for somewhere else. I've seen 3 good lists turn to shit b/c of this, and in each case the cause (noisy trolls, people sustaining 3-4 month and more flamewars) was fairly obvious.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

#1 - STOP POSTING TO ILX
#2 - STOP POSTING TO ILX
#3 - STOP POSTING TO ILX
#4 - STOP POSTING TO ILX
#5 - STOP POSTING TO ILX
#6 - STOP POSTING TO ILX
#7 - STOP POSTING TO ILX
#8 - STOP POSTING TO ILX
#9 - STOP POSTING TO ILX
#10 - lose weight, as per

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

bye jess, take care of yourself mate

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

re. Ned's stuff about AMA - yes it reminds me of that too, but AMA is not the Internet and nor is ILX; something in the way the web works means that community online tends to be nomadic, I think.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

but of course people are compelled to reply

I think this is the key point (and certainly I'm not excluding myself here, when my frustrations over him hit a boiling point, more than once). If I may -- and I realize that this is a comparison that might not be welcomed -- he reminds me of Geir not in terms of malicious intent but in terms of knowing a key fact about ILX: its current 'open' status means that you will NOT necessarily be able to get everyone onside for a policy merely by wishing it was so, and that means you can say button-pushing things or act the fool precisely you know somebody, somewhere, will respond, and that there's always somebody new around the corner. In light of that, simply wishing the body of posters suddenly becomes permanently enlightened and that nothing will crop up again seems a bit hard to do.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Do the people who want to stop posting to ILX or reduce posting want to form a support group of sorts? I'm (sort of) serious. I know when Tim and I went on ILX Strike earlier this year we managed to stop each other posting quite effectively (he claims I sneakily posted but that is a filthy lie).

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

sometimes i wonder if i CAN stop.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I SAW YER!

I share resolutions 1-3 and 6-7 with Tom and 1-4 and 8-10 with Jess.

I remember Kate posting something ages ago which plotted the history of all successful internet discussion places, I wonder where that is.

Meta never makes things better but it's the only fun to be had in this particular town right now.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

quitting smoking and drinking were easier. which is very scary.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Hasn't everyone taken an 'ILX break' at some point of another? I know I have.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

That said, I guess some posters will be missed & some wont.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

the longest i ever managed was about three months, i think.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Three months!! Jess I bow to you.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never really taken a break, I must admit. If the 'community' decides to up sticks & hoof it off somewhere else (which I really hope it doesn't) email me and tell me where please!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

haha tom i might be inflating that in my head

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

it was probably more like 1.5-2

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

naturally, i had just moved and was in luv and everything was wide open for me

when the crushing realities of life bore down two months later i came crawling back.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe you didnt break the way you wanted to yo but i break

― kelis (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

So who can make a decision about changes? Do ppl want ilx to change or just leave it be?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Btw I like Jess a lot, I just don't think he's like MR MODERATOR.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I have never taken an ILX break, I've never felt it was really doing that much damage, but then I don't work a 9-5 so it's ILX or playing with balls of wool.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

andrew i have read that four times and can't come close to figuring out what it means.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

remember when that message was put up saying 'do not respond to bcky lcas threads'? would that not work with c-man?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I am drunk. Take a WILD guess, tho. I love you!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I only go onto ilx during a working day, but if all is not well in your life, sometimes ilx is the last place to be.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I think yr too emotional to be a good mod the end

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh for fuck's sake people.

― Allyzay, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Why don't you have a real email again?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

To discourage emails that just say "What?"

― Allyzay, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, that seems fair. ILX dorkweirdoes should just send ME email, oh I ENCOURAGE it, go on Sean!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

god another fucking discussion abt ILX. this is worse than c-man's threads (which I don't even open).

there is only one resolution:

1) to finish off my studies and to do it right.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha it's not like it's hard to find my email, it's on my old posts. Would you like to email me, Andrew? mlescaut @ att.net

― Allyzay, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Right! I'm taking this to the next level!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

You're going to sign me up to all the spam lists just like how that bastard Blount did to Calum, aren't you?

― Allyzay, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

You wish.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

i was waiting for the usual suspects to jump in with the 'arguing about ILX is lame you lame people' type jibe. do these people deny there is anything worthy of discussion in this matter? i already suggested it would be better if people didn't talk about but i got sucked into doing just that, argh

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Why are you having a go at Julio? Andrew sent me pornographic pictures of you, stevem. It's true.

― Allyzay, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

lets all out annoy each other.

Personally I am annoyed by the beginning paragraph of 1984, clearly far more annoying than any of this.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm not having a go at anyone really - i'm just having a general moan about the people having a general moan about the people having a general moan about ILX, of which i am one

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ronan that is not half as annoying as anyting David Foster Wallace has put on paper.

― Allyzay, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

holy fuckin' shit:
my new year's resolutions
THE SAME AS FIDDO'S

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

my relationship
to ILX is nowhere
near like Jess's though

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm gonna post more, coz like I took a break and I didn't miss ILX at all, but still it was good to come back, and maybe I'll go to more FAPs. These aren't resolutions, just statements of general intent.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

''i was waiting for the usual suspects to jump in with the 'arguing about ILX is lame you lame people' type jibe. do these people deny there is anything worthy of discussion in this matter? i already suggested it would be better if people didn't talk about but i got sucked into doing just that, argh''

you only have yrself to blame steve.

jel- you should def go to more faps.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

threads by calum vs threads about calum/ILX crises

tough call

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd take a thread abt new year resolutions that doesn't get hijacked by ppl that want to discuss the 'ilx crisis'.

but that's not an option.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

That's an even better form of annoyance. Can anyone top this?

I feel annoyed at those who are annoyed by the people expressing annoyance at Calum and co. I can see how this would be annoying though.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

it isn't actually.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

you are right actually, this was not the thread to discuss it and i apologise for my part in the derailment. i still hate you tho ;)

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i would resolve to get the fuck out of Michigan, and go somewhere to a job that i might actually enjoy and live with someone i actually wanna be with, but NYRez tend to be broken easily, and there's no way in hell that i'm not doing this.

also, to lose 30lbs.

― Kingfishee (Kingfish), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah: to not post on here. Esp. about LotR.

And to find someone else I can trust (atm, there is but one).

And to do something useful for once.

― ChrissieH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

is it Newyears anywhere yet?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

australia/nz i think.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

*get it together
*stop farting the fuck around with my life
*dance

― teh nza, Thursday, 1 January 2004 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

also:

*finish Greatest Hits (aka my debut LP)
*ride bicycle to work once weather gets more acceptable
*start doing yoga again (regularly that is, rather than randomly on drunken whims)
*keep a tighter grip on my budget
*go camping more often

― teh nza, Thursday, 1 January 2004 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

drink more gin

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 1 January 2004 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually my one for-sure New Years Res that I really am trying to stick to: turn the volume down. Musically, speaking voice, outbursts of laughter, etc.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 2 January 2004 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

My NYR is to get back in touch with a number of people that I really like that I have either lost touch with or it's going that way. It's so easy to think about doing it and then do nothing...then another year goes by. Same thoughts...do nothing again. I want to rectify that.

I would also like to stop reading/posting here but I don't have the self-discipline to do it unfortunately.

― David (David), Friday, 2 January 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

eleven months pass...

REVIVE!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 27 December 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Nobody???

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

To be more patient with my ikkle brothers and sisters no matter how annoying they can be.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

haha i was much more sensible a year ago

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd forgotten how this thread went. man, it just reminded me why ILX pisses me off at times! haha! oops I'm talking about ILX, better shut up in case Ally has a go at me!

― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Despite all kindsa stuff & things, want to keep both ends, like, meeting resolutely.

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

this year my new years resolution is to not give up drinking. NOSIREE.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

1) Spend less on trainers
2) Lose a bit of weight & get fit so that I can start trying for a baby
3) Eat better
4) Try to sort debts out & save some cash
5) Sort the house out - decorating & such
6) Speaking up when friends treat me like shit

― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

SEXDRUGSANDROCKANDROLL2005.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Get rid of a bunch of crap I've got lying around.
..Including gut that's getting kinda out of control..

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Sort out finances (oh that old chestnut again)
Get a bigger place
Become healthy enough to carry a child
Conceive

― Rumpster Pumpster, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

1 Smoke less.
2 Cycle more.
3 Waste less time.
4 Be more patient with the kids.
5 Complete all my half finished video games (not quite sure if this ties in with #3).
6 Clear credit card debts.
7. Lose weight.

(If this gets revived next year can someone please copy and paste these for me and save me the effort?)

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Be more all-round fabulous, which is an umbrella resolution covering all kinds of appearance, work-based, debt-reduction, organisational stuff.

― Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

After the fiascos of the last three years, I only have one, which is to have my Christmas meal in my house, cooked by me, with my husband there with me. This doesn't seem a lot to ask, but it's been impossible so far.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Continue going to the gym regularly. Don't stop, 3 times a week a least, with emphasis on cardio.
2. Drink more water, which will probably entail drinking less diet vanilla coke.
3. Don't drink so much beer/drinks that I black out and wake up somewhere I don't recognize.
4. Practice moderation all around.
5. Brush twice a day and floss them.
6. Don't eat at a single chain resturant in 2005.
7. Use my rice cooker nearly every day.
8. Retune my personal wiki, make it less a collection of bullet points, and more an excercise in creative writing.
9. Start journaling again.
10. Read more comic books.
11. Read more in general, especially more non-fiction.
12. Get a job.
13. Get more cold weather biking gear so I can start riding the lakefront again.
14. Establish routine in everyday life. Get up the same time everyday, except on weekends, and go to bed at more or less the same time.
15. Do more hard drugs.
16. Eat more brocolli and spinach.
17. Pay for therapy sessions, even though my health insurance won't cover it and it's fucking expensive in this city.
18. Go to the doctor more in general.
19. Manage my files better.
20. Organize parts of my life that are currently unorganized. Chart thoughts, ideas, feelings. Look for patterns, develop routines, use my brain instead of letting it atrophy.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Read more, write more, vacation, get some.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I did one from last year! I gave up smoking, apart from the occasional indiscretion I am now smoke free.

I also got more stuff printed but not enough. Next year I want to

1. get more stuff printed and try and get stuff printed in different places and in other mags.
2. become a better dj, technically, and get some headline gigs.
3. work harder promoting our club.
4. DECIDE WHAT TO DO WHEN I FINISH COLLEGE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Less tv and movies, more creativity (drawing, writing, music).
2. Get a better job or figure out what I want to do with my professional life.
3. Meet more new people.
4. Learn more about Chicago and do more exploring.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

geez you people are ambitious. i feel like a big dumb slug now.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

1. LESS SLOVENLINESS, MORE ORGANIZATION
2. LESS SLOTH, MORE PHYSICAL ACTIVITY
3. Increase my salary by at least 20%.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm with Di. (xxxx-post)

SEXDRUGSANDROCKANDROLL2005.

― luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

come to dunedin i will take you to the boys the booze and the band bars

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

- work when there's work to do but don't feel bad about sitting around taking it easy when there's not
- go for more walks in more interesting places
- sit in bed more, reading books (don't bother about going to bed earlier)
- go on holiday
- don't worry about university assignments until a couple of weeks before they are due in, hey, maybe even a week before. If you don't feel like writing another dissertation, don't
- keep a diary, but don't worry if you don't
- keep eating cakes
- be nice to people and other beasts
- go to the cinema even more often
- meet friends more often
- watch the day go by a couple of times a month
- do something creative every week

I think these are workable!

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm keeping it real.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I shall continue to abstain from abstemiousness.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

jel yours sound fun :)

mine aren't:
1. spend less money on unnecessary food and clothes
2. Eat healthier and exercise blah blah blah
3. no giving up and not doing something awesome this summer if i fail at getting school funding to work at a museum
4. write in journal more often and read a bit more too

― Maria (Maria), Thursday, 30 December 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

To revive or start a new thread? I wasn't sure so I thought I'd try this first.

Anyone intend to fail to achieve anything especially interesting this/next year?

― Upt0eleven, Monday, 31 December 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

- quit ilx

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 31 December 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

Get my own apartment, if I can afford it
Complete first year on the job (pass probation)

― Virginia Plain, Monday, 31 December 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

1. No packaged foods
2. Study/certifications
3. Have enough water/fruit each day
4. Go in no shops other than for groceries
5. One weekly shop for groceries
6. Have sex with more girls
7. Listen to others less and self more
8. No meat or chocolate
9. Get proper sleep on sun-thurs
10. Make sure that every night I go to sleep I can feel good about something that I have done or that has happened that day

― Tracksuit Party, Monday, 31 December 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

Not to go up another pants size.
Study and improve my poker game.

― Rock Hardy, Monday, 31 December 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

Clean out bedroom closet RUTHLESSLY
Clear out hand wash only dishes from the counter every day

― Sara R-C, Monday, 31 December 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

Lots of cleaning and reorganizing and reduction of stuff, definitely. Already made a head start on that and I plan to make it a regular thing throughout the year.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 31 December 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

Why cut out chocolate?! It has antioxidants, you know.

― wanko ergo sum, Monday, 31 December 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

get comfortable playing drums left-handed, that's about it.

― Jordan, Monday, 31 December 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

get works shown
get in proper shape
plan ahead
hustle

― Kerm, Monday, 31 December 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

Less food
Less worry
Less is more

More books
More recs
More knitting
More is less

― stevienixed, Monday, 31 December 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

I hereby resolve to ignore all of those vile free papers and spend my 2.5 hours to and from work consuming interesting and stimulating reading material. Never again will I be informed as to which horrible King's Road bar some toss-pot royal was seen stumbling out of at 4am.

― Upt0eleven, Monday, 31 December 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

^^^this was my sorta late-october resolution

― Just got offed, Monday, 31 December 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

Did you succeed? I doubt I will manage it but I did receive a couple of magazine subscriptions for Christmas which should make it more doable.

― Upt0eleven, Monday, 31 December 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't had my mind poisoned and emptied by Metro, London Lite or londonpaper since making that decision. If I want to read I take a book, if I don't want to read I write poetry, if I don't want to write poetry I think on things, if I don't to think on things I chat to strangers. Train journeys are exceptionally fecund grounds for creativity and social interaction; the free print media would rather have us engrossed in their meaningless, informationless void.

― Just got offed, Monday, 31 December 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

walk more
continue the book fast/utilize library/thin out book collection by at least one whole bookshelf
find job that lets me stay in Seattle more and have a life
finally unpack/store the remaining 25 boxes from the last move
have some parties

― Jaq, Monday, 31 December 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

complete english degree
be teaching english by 9/1/08
submit 6 short stories for publication
sit zazen three times a week
reduce car debt
halve credit card debt

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 31 December 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

probably start using the internet more

― Pål Útlendi, Monday, 31 December 2007 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

stop letting school turn me into a zombie fatass (i.e. eat better, sleep more, do homework on time, etc.)
be more positive
go deaf so i don't have to listen to lots of annoying people
secure awesome summer fellowship
secure awesome job by end of summer
move into more permanent and nicer living space that i will actually decorate and turn into a "home"

― tehresa, Monday, 31 December 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)

Probably start sleeping better. Probably not add any robot sluts to myspace.

― Pål Útlendi, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 07:24 (eighteen years ago)

eat more peanut butter.

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 January 2008 07:27 (eighteen years ago)

1998: No more nye resolutions
1999:
2000:
2001:
2002:
2003:
2004:
2005:
2006:
2007:
2008:

― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

No year can be as bad as the end of 2007, so I feel quite hopeful about these:

1) Join gym near work with nice swimming pool, because all the ones near my house aren't that near to my house.
2)Pay off two or more debts in full.
3) Stand on middle of Thames flood barrier on a windy day and go 'whoooooooooooo.'
4) Stop buying clothes on eBay when bored.
5) Sell some clothes on eBay and reclaim some space in flat.
6) Do more creative and interesting things outside work, writing, singing, exploring etc.

― Anna, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

Stop depending on other people so much (but I won't keep it)

― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

Sure you will... We'll help you!

― Kerm, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

Stay out of jail and off the street.

― Oilyrags, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

read books
get restarted on the biography I've been researching
find somebody more competent than I to run the radio station and make it something to be proud of
stop being such a slob
healthier eating habits
cut out wasted expenses
look for better-paying, less boring job
make point of socializing more but drinking less while doing that

― Maria :D, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

I forgot I wrote this last year:

"Get my own apartment, if I can afford it
Complete first year on the job (pass probation)

― Virginia Plain, Monday, 31 December 2007 14:21 (1 year ago)"

I completed the second one, and sort of forgot about wanting the first one.

For this year:

Get a new job with an easier commute.
Start saving a certain amount of money each month.
Go to the gym at least 3X/wk (yoga classes count).

― Virginia Plain, Thursday, 1 January 2009 02:39 (seventeen years ago)

be less grumpy

(me not you)

― Ant Attack.. (Ste), Thursday, 1 January 2009 03:20 (seventeen years ago)

I wrote a list off the top of my head there, but it basically boils down to:

Waste less time

― krakow, Thursday, 1 January 2009 10:36 (seventeen years ago)

write more
work more
make more money
ilx less (prob already failing at that one)

― The Reverend, Thursday, 1 January 2009 10:42 (seventeen years ago)

But Virginia, how will you find another job so suited to you? Unless they have a vacancy in the Graceland Library?

I cooked burgers last night and used healthy low-fat pork mince. No good. My first resolution is to make all subsequent burgers from proper meaty mince. This should be easy to maintain. I suppose this implies that I am also resolving to put on weight, though that is not actually the plan.

― the pinefox, Thursday, 1 January 2009 12:38 (seventeen years ago)

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