Do you feel sorry for FAT people?

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I've been watching AVERAGE JOE: HAWAII, and they started out with 6 very obese dudes as part of the mix. Now, there's only one of them left among the other Average Joe's. Problem is, at the reality TV site that I normally post, I can't any longer, because the regular posters are having a Black Tie Pity Party for this tub of lard that's left: Sean. If you say ONE word against him and HIS personal issues that he brings up about being "the only F.A.T. guy left", then you're attacked for being prejudice.

WTF!? If you were in a bar, trolling for a date or one night stand, would you take a fatty home with you? Or, if your best friend said, "I have this great friend, you must meet him!", and once you saw a 300 pound rhino waddling your way, with 3 chins, would your first thought be: "That guy is HOT!!!"?

It pisses me off to no end, that people 'try' to be so P.C. regarding extreme obesity (75 pounds and over your ideal weight) on these show forums, yet, if they met the person in real life and were supposed to date them, kiss them and boink them, THEN the truth would come out.

Some of the responces on the site, when I mentioned that the Sean has a complex and uses his weight as an excuse (which he admited on the show, in his OWN words), brought down the Wrath of God towards me and others that said Sean needed to lose the weight and the attitude. Lots of these posters were fat themselves, as they admitted, and blamed it on "gland problems" so I guess they were defending Sean AND their own lack of initiative.

Oh. No. It. Isn't! It's called stuffing your face with bad food and refusing to exercise! When I start to see movie and TV stars at the award shows, sporting 100-200 pounds of extra weight, only then will I believe that "Fat is Beautiful". When I start to see ordinary people on Oprah say, "I gained 150 pounds and I've NEVER felt better!", then I'll believe it.

So, when you see a grotesquely fat person, do you feel like giving them a hug for their 'trama' or the cold shoulder? Would you date them? Fuck them? Be proud of them? I can't and won't. So, I'm shallow; like half of the rest of the world. When I'm rolling around on the bed, I don't feel like I have to worry about turning out like a tortilla if my lover rolls over onto me.

― Psychokitty, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i doubt i'd date them, i doubt i'd go up to them and start going on about their weight either. plenty people i dont find attractive, i dont have to go on about their 'uglyness' though. its like, i've never given that much though to it.

also, people are overweight for a variety of reasons

theres such a thing as being a mean spirited piece of shit also

― Hyderabad Committee (Stringent), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

HOLY SHIT, THIS ISN'T A CALUM THREAD?!?!?

― the river fleet, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

there's nothing wrong with being tactful and empathetic about the matter - it's not necessarily hypocrisy. people who routinely make jokes about and insult overweight people tend to be using it to distract from some insecurities of their own. also please never say 'boink' again (haven't you seen Road Trip)?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

the first six words of this question shoot down any credibility it might have.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

actually the whole opening paragraph is, like, everything wrong with western society.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

at the reality TV site that I normally post

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Black Tie Pity Party

― Huggy Dork (Kingfish), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

HOLY SHIT, THIS ISN'T A CALUM THREAD?!?!?

-- the river flee

My thoughts entirely

― Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not saying to be mean to people, face to face. But, we ALL carry prejudices inside of ourselves about what we find attractive and what we don't.

Some people like tall. Some people like petite. Some thin. Some fat. That's all cool.

But, you can't change your height or race. If you allow yourself to get obese, but then chronically complain to everyone within listening distance that the reasons why you didn't get: the job/the girl/ the guy, are because "I'm too fat", then I have NO sympathy.

I have a couple of overweight friends (over 100 pounds and counting) and their M.O. is watching Pay Per View Wrestling and eating Pork Rinds. They have high blood pressure, joint problems, sleep disorders...and every one of them is under 35 years of age. One friend, a female, is 'sick' from work at least one day per week, because of health issues. Sometimes, she says, "I don't want to do anything but sit inside with a pint of Hagen Daz and watch soaps." Yeah, that's cool...ON YOUR DAY OFF!!!!!!!!!! But, when your weight starts to control your life and your attitude towards life, why should others have to offer comfort to you and feel sad?

― Psychokitty, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Not fancying != feeling sorry for

― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

putting the psycho into psychokitty

btw I'm not fat, so don't even think about feeling sorry for me

― run it off (run it off), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i only feel sorry for the fat girls that have me checking them out

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

WTF????

― C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I do think the 'it's a glandular' thing is mostly b.s. Sure you may never be slim, but if you eat right and exercise there's no way you could be obese. Show me a really fat person who eats only salads, fruits and veggies and works out regularly and I'll eat my hat.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Not everyone can be an NTFS person; BE KIND.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

What is "overweight"?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

*cries*

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

eats only salads, fruits and veggies and works out regularly

Uh, the vast majority of skinny people don't do that. Models, yes, regular people no.

― aleksandr supertramp (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

if you work off more calories than you take in then you don't gain weight. I'm sorry but fat people eat more than they should.

― run it off (run it off), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

But if you REALLY wanted to not be fat, you could do that. (and obviously I was using short-hand for "eats a nutritious diet low in fat")

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry but fat people eat more than they should.

A lot of skinny people do too, but they look good, so it doesn't matter.

― aleksandr supertramp (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"good"

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

esoj otm

― aleksandr supertramp (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Right. And smart people don't need to study as much those with less intellectual capacity.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

All I'm saying is if you wanna be fat, that's fine, but don't pretend that it's totally out of your control.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't. but i am aware of how genetics works.

― aleksandr supertramp (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

ge...net...ics???

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Not taking responsibility for one's own life, giving up and blaming others, is one of if not the biggest problem area of modern society.

― Stuart (Stuart), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

not b/c they're fat per se, but b/c some people insist on making fun of them b/c of it.

(yes, myself included.)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Prejudice ain't pretty Psychokitty, even when it's wrapped in the disguise of advice on how to live better. Considering a few posts I've read from you, I'd think you'd have more sympathy. Some people don't exercise and let it get out of control, no doubt, but some people just have it in them genetically.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Not taking responsibility for one's own life, giving up and blaming others, is one of if not the biggest problem area of modern society.

so, have you written to the Palm County, FL DA to insure that Rush Limbaugh gets charged and indicted?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

that sounds a bit harsh, Stuart.

What about those people who have had few opportunities to take responsibility for their lives, have been given up on and become resigned to reality, don't they have a case for blaming others or blaming the social conditions that have stolen so much from them?

― run it off (run it off), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

some people just have it in them genetically.

Again, this is bullshit to some extent.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"bullshit to some extent"?! either it is or it isn't

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

in stuart's world, fatties are only people on welfare who eat bad food. except when it's a right-wing radio demagogue, then it's OK.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I eat way more than I should, and drink beer etc, don't really excercise and I have a mild pot belly, which I'd lose if there was some good clubbing, it is just lucky and hardly a case of everyone at a starting line and taking it from there. Typical oops I guess.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

OH BOY ANOTHER THREAD SPECULATING ON THE MORALITY OF FAT PEOPLE HURRAH

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I know someone who works out 6x a week, kickboxes, runs, hikes, doesn't eat crappy food, and she's pretty much stuck at 5'6" 190 or so. Not much she seems to be able to do about it.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

"to some extent" because genetics may prevent you from ever becoming slim and make it harder for you, but it only makes maybe one in a a few million truly obese.

5'6 190 is not obese.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

morality has nothing to do with it

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah but she has to deal with prejudice. especially here in L.A., since she's pursuing acting.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

are we only talking about the obese? perhaps the thread title should say obese.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

sounds like a cliche, but true.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know your friend, Gear, but its quite simple. Your body cannot produce pounds of fat on its own. It must be coming from somewhere.

― run it off (run it off), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

after all that exercise most of that weight is probably muscle anyway

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not fat. She's a goddamn rock, but she still takes shit.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

she should kick their damn asses

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Sumo wrestlers are not gotesque!

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Nor are the goatesque!

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't feel sorry for goat people

― Slump Man (Slump Man), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I do cause I understand genetics.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

There's actually this goat guy that lives about a 45 min drive from me and I've always wanted to go and try and find where he lives, but I've head that he doesn't like people doing that and that he as a shotgun or something.

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

You're good on eugenics too oops.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

hehe i was gonna say something about eugenics but i thought the better of it

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

your subtlety filters must be superior to mine.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

goat guy = shepherd or goat guy = horrific shotgun wielding mangoat?

― Slump Man (Slump Man), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

BTW, thank you Ronan for continuing the proud ILE tradition of willfully misinterpreting my posts.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm just saying making excuses is even less pretty than being dramatically obese. I'm not demonizing physical imperfection.

― Stuart (Stuart), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

No problem, I await the brilliant alternative interpretation.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

yes I am also in favor of eugenics, in addition to being a raging homophobe! You figured that out without me stating it directly. How very clever of you!

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't understand goatse.cx

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't you have some voibes to be feeling?

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

http://my.musicresults.com/cards/images/vibes.jpg

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Can anyone recommend a Milt jackson album?

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

most people start with the self-titled one

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Sunflower and In a New Setting are good.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

He could have lost a little of that waistline, ick.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000IJTD.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

we should all be the same, have the same motivations, work hard, get a job, get a family and only sit at home with a tub of haagenwhatever after we have officually been allowed to retire, but even then probably not because some people think it might cause you to be aesthetically unappealing

― mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

b-b-but i want to be MEEEEEEE, and it is interfering with my responsibilities to be exploited!

don't whinge so much.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

it's not the fat that's the problem, it's the whining irresponsibility.

― Stuart (Stuart), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

what a caring bunch we have here

― run it off (run it off), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel less sorry for overweight people than I do for ignorant assholes.

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

well personally i think we should do away with the safety net and let them die if they're not up to helping rich people get richer

― mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

but aren't they with all their rampant food intake?

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

luna otfuckingm

― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean fuck it, even i feel like taking a day off and eating haagenwotsit

― mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

My problem, right, is that fat wimmin always bang on about slutty chicks and moan and bitch and stuff when deep down they all want to look like Joanne Guest anyway.

So, really, it's bollox. If you're fat and happy that way I think it's cool, but I've not met anyone where that is the case. Same goes for the guys - I know of a fella who's fat and he's a sexist cunt, always degrading pretty women ("aye she's fucking a bit small chested etc") and, at the end of the day, this sort of thing makes him a cunt because a) he's fat and b) he's pissed at being fat and thus puts down really attractive girls to make himself feel better.

― C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear more people whining about whiny fat people than I actually hear fat people whining.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Skinny dudes that whine about not having muscles and don't eat or train annoy the piss out of me too. I'm an equal-opportunity whiner-hater.

― Stuart (Stuart), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i believe fatness is responsible for all the sexism in the world though

― mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Unlike me who is not fat and has a Brettski Anderson waistline so neh.

And I have no interest in muscles.

― C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't criticize people unless they ask my opinion. Staying out of other people's business is almost as important as taking responsibility for one's own.

― Stuart (Stuart), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Unlike me who is not fat and has a Brettski Anderson waistline so neh.

Talk about your oxymorons...

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The skinny boy thing is more common in the form of 'Oh poor me I am so FRAIL and THIN the wind blows me over and my RIBS protrude from my POOR WEAK FRAIL CHEST look just FANCY ME ALRIGHT??!'

― Ferrrrrrg (Ferg), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

from the mouth of a skinny man, looking at a fat guy, yesterday: "i wish he'd lend me a few pounds"

if i wanted to put on, say, 10 pounds i would just have the most amazinging weeklong orgy of food and be done with it.

― Slump Man (Slump Man), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not "about to die" skinny though. I'm not lanky. Wouldn't want that either.

― C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Staying out of other people's business is almost as important as taking responsibility for one's own.

And we'll all live seperately ever after

― run it off (run it off), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is c-man's playground

― omg, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

And we'll all live seperately ever after

oh please yes

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

"goat guy = shepherd or goat guy = horrific shotgun wielding mangoat? "

it's a mangoat, but I bet it's just someone who looks a lot like a goat instead of some bizarre genetic mistake.

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

http://ewancient.lysator.liu.se/pic/loth/h/e/hermann/goatman.jpg

"a half man- half goat who fights crime. He is of course... The Goat Man. He's a creepy guy who likes the dark and is very adept with bladed weapons"

just imagine trailer-voice-man reading this!

― Slump Man (Slump Man), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

In a world...

― Stuart (Stuart), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, repugnant all around

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I know of a fella who's fat and he's a sexist cunt, always degrading pretty women ("aye she's fucking a bit small chested etc") and, at the end of the day, this sort of thing makes him a cunt because a) he's fat and b) he's pissed at being fat and thus puts down really attractive girls to make himself feel better.

So that's his excuse for being a sexist and a cunt. What's yours then?

― the river fleet, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

There's nothing more satisfying than being a person who used to be fat and picked on, and now you are thin and healthy and the people who picked on you are fat. NO PITY FOR THOSE FATTYSLOBOS HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

why are people so obsessed on hating fat people? who cares, why not just leave them alone. if everything is good with your own looks, why you have to be down on others? it smacks of insecurity. i'm fine with my appearance, i dont feel the need to start having a go at fat people, it wouldnt even occur to me. so why does it to you c-man, why do you bring it up so much? why do you even care?

― 20.92 bmi (Stringent), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Please do not feed the animal.

― Venga, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Strange thread.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate - fuck off. If you think I'm sexist you are a moron. As someone said on one of the shouting at moderator threads: "what's the difference between C-Man posting about (whomever) and Kate posting about Julian Casablanca's ass?" There's NO difference - except that I'm comfortable enough with my appearance not to get wound up. YOU on the other hand are not.

Mmmmmmmm, wonder why?

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)

As someone said

that someone being you of course

― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

SCORE!

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not really obese, and I'm in no way skinny either.I truly feel sorry for people who literally kill themselves being anorexic. Being overweight is a problem and people should not be made fun of. God made everyone perfect.

― Gale, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

(I am very sad that no one laughed at my file system joke.)

(Actually that's a huge lie.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

if i have to ask myself why i read ile about 20 mins a day now, this is all i need to click on, i find.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

*lightbulb goes on* ha! Dan, I read that post and was wondering what the hell NTFS stood for. Even though I actually know. I feel stupid now =)

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to be fat, and I don't feel sorry for my past self. Here's a photo:

http://nf.wh3rd.net/files/ilx/andrewfat.jpg

― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew, I am speechless.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan, I don't even get your filesystem joke. What kind of nerd does that make me?

― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

FAT filesystem vs NTFS filesystem

― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh jesus. That's fucking terrible Dan!

I suppose I'm a super-nerd because I wouldn't even consider FAT an alternative.

― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Fat people don't deserve to be left alone any more than people who drive big fat useless gas guzzling cars for vanity do. They are both fucking up the world for the rest of us. Check out what fat people do to the cost of health care and insurance.

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew's photo looks like mine on my driver's license from when I was fatty 16. Now cops don't believe it's me and other people I show it to think it's hilarious.

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i hate to say it, but jess OTM. and orbit and luna and jim and so forth. fatphobia is fatphobia and so many of you should be really fucking ashamed of yourselves.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The voice of sanity!!!

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

But NTFS is so much more efficient! OKay I'll stop now.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Filesystem Journaling, DOST THOU SPEAKETH!?

― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Fatphobia is rational, reasonable and necessary. Gluttons are a burden on society.

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

much in the same way students and stoners are

― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

oh and don't forget the old

― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Sucka-hate is rational, reasonable and necessary. Suckas are a burden on society.

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

mmm no not students. more education for a few doesn't cause more illiteracy for the rest.

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Please fatties I know I look delicious and buttery but I am actually made out of spinach so please do not go berserk and have a feeding frenzy of me.

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Old peopel and stoners are OK with me too as long as they don't make me listen to their god damn music.

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

if you are so delicious and buttery then *i* want to see a picture!

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.michyland.com/Xmas/Cookies/Gingerbread-Man.gif

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

not buttery enough *tap tap*

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.msu.edu/course/iah/211c/bellfy/temagami/Image759.gif

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

That's better.

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure if that brand gets around the whole country but here is a cool trick beloved by teenage boys: 1. slice off her knees. 2. slice flaps in the butter container she holds to make doors 3. glue knees behind VOILA TITS!!!!

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i take it all back.

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

eww

― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Fun hatas! You are all fat stoned elderly students.

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i liked you better when you were buttery.

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

but I do not want to be eaten! I'm going over to the orange traffic cone thread.

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

OK fine I am sorry for the fatphobia. If a fat guy can say something as genius as I LIVE IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER they can't be that bad.

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

God, no wonder I don't post here anymore.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

jeesh! touchy subject. no one can say shit against fat people lest they be labelled 'fataphobic'. whatever, maaan.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 07:06 (twenty-two years ago)

shut up and post a picture of something buttery and delicious!

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)

http://myegg.net/na3/file/1064492448a0.416943/Butter%20Marble%20Cake.jpg

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 07:16 (twenty-two years ago)

mmmmmmmmmmmmm

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Check out what fat people do to the cost of health care and insurance.

I can not allow myself to say a fucking word, cause everyone probably hates me for the Aja thing so I'll just leave you to guess my opinion about this.

― Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 07:58 (twenty-two years ago)

have something buttery. you'll feel better.

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 07:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Will it make me fat? 'Cause fitting in is very important to me.
I mean fitting in my sweat pants.
For mall walking.
Which I drive to.
Even though the mall is just across the street.
So I wont get tired.
Bush for President.

― Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 08:15 (twenty-two years ago)

All I'm saying is if you wanna be fat, that's fine, but don't pretend that it's totally out of your control.
-- oops

BTW, thank you Ronan for continuing the proud ILE tradition of willfully misinterpreting my posts.
-- oops

all i'm saying is if you wanna be dumb, that's fine, but don't pretend that it's totally out of your control.

― jeremy jordan (cruisy), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Dammit, why was I making not-really-serious complaints about fat people driving up cost of stupid evil for-profit health care when I think health care should be universal? Oh yeah. To irritate fat people for fun because I am evil. But they do not deserve to be called burdens on society. Just a few of them are burdens on me. When they sit on me. But most of them are really cool. And like it was already proven on the "can fat people rock" thread I started a long time ago

Can FAT people rock?

fat people really can rock hard!

HELP I AM BEING PUMMELED BY BUTTER!
http://drew.corrupt.net/pastel-butter.jpg

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Deborah Iyall woo woo!

― sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooops, has it ever occurred to you that this 'wilful misinterpretation' you complain of might have as much to do with your writing skills as with the supposed misinterpreters wilfulness?

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Oops, I have defended you in the past, but you're not really showing your best side on this thread. In fact, you are coming across pretty toolriffic.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

(toolriffic?)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

(Would "toolesque" have been better?)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

YES!!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

what about "tooltastic"?

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Insulting people is fun and all but what exactly have I said here that you disagree with?

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

BTW, I have admitted as much, Ricardo, but I at this point I think certain people have their minds made up about me and interpret my posts in a way that puts me in the most negative light possible. Also, isn't it funny how you come out of the woodwork simply to take potshots at another poster?

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I wholeheartedly disagree with the blithely insensitive way you were arguing your point. Also, I shake my head at the way you've removed the side-effects eating disorders can have on your body from your oh-so-pat analysis of the human body (I have anecdotal evidence here that I am not free to divulge but I can paraphrase by saying that overcoming anorexia can put your body into a state where it generates more fat than it actually needs to, making it really fucking difficult to lose weight).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm surprised no one's said "this thread proves fat people aren't jolly," but then again perhaps I shouldn't wonder aloud about it...

― hstencil, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Well I apologize for not wrapping my thoughts in a pretty pink bow.
Eating disorders and their effects are a special case and I'm willing to bet are a factor in less than 1% of obese people's weight problems. Of course there's going to be a few exceptions, but the vast majority of obesity can be prevented and/or eliminated.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

fatphobia? What the hell? How about thinphobia. Because I'm sure I've heard people say far far worse things about people who are slightly underweight here ("ewww", "gross" and "scary" come to mind) and no one has yelled at them. double standard much?

I don't hate people for being fat. What difference does it make to me? (sucka: gluttons are not anymore significant a burden on society than any other non-farmers) But I do have a problem with some information that is commonly passed around as "fact". In the first place, your genes will NOT make you fat. Sorry, people, it doesn't work that way. Your genes may make it more likely that you will become obese. They may make your body absorb more nutrients from a certain amount of food than someone else. They may even make you feel hungry when you're not. But it is consuming more calories than you expend that makes you overweight. In MOST cases, diet and excercise can make you a healthy weight. In the second place, the idea that one has only to "accept" one's body seems to have reached epidemic proportions. Fat is more than an aesthetic issue. Realizing that beauty standards are relative is great and good. But if you are overweight, that is not okay. It is not healthy.

― mouse, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Because I'm sure I've heard people say far far worse things about people who are slightly underweight here ("ewww", "gross" and "scary" come to mind) and no one has yelled at them.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Proof positive that no one reads my posts!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm fat, and I sure don't need anybody to feel sorry for me. And, yeah, I *would* date, and kiss, and "boink" a fat guy. I married one. Best thing I ever did in my life. I'm hella proud of him. :-)

I really do have a gland problem, my thyroid is fucked. I'm taking replacement hormone, but YOU try losing 60 lbs. It is NOT as easy as you think, and I'm not about to have my whole life revolve around it.

Funny thing is, I was wildly underweight as a kid/teen, to the point where I was mocked constantly. The universe has a sick sense of humor.

― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Dan, that was an x-post. But yes, anorexia isn't healthy either. Though what I was specifically refering to was the way in which people here and elsewhere will make comments about how such-and-such famous person doesn't fit their aesthetic standards, because of their weight. To my mind anyway, this seems a far greater case of arbitrary discrimination than pointing out that someone's lifestyle choices are unhealthy. And yet no one ever screams discrimination at those comments.

― mouse, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a thread about Xtina's "Dirrty" video where I make similar points, mouse. Also, Ally and I have said similar things on other threads.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

why is this world so OBSESSED with other people's lifestyle choices?

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Getting fat and/ or losing any of my teeth are the two things that concern me. And going bald or looking any older than I do (i.e. still being ID'd going into clubs make me happy).

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't want someone I love and care about to be fat to the point where it worsens their quality of life.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

How about people you don't love or care about?

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Well then, it's PLUMP UP, FATTY MCFATS!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't feel it's within my rights to make a big deal about those I don't love or care about, though ideal(istical)ly I want anyone whose life is worsened by their excess weight to lose it and be happier and healthier. Isn't that a no-brainer? Not sure why you're asking.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps Dan and Calz should go on the shark together - they'll not be going for the same birds, after all.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't feel it's within my rights to make a big deal about those I don't love or care about

ding ding ding! that is the correct answer. i'm asking because that "lifestyle choices" comment i made above wasn't meant to be flip -- there's just this really unsettling phenomenon of people who have far too much investment in the "well being" of people they wouldn't otherwise give a shit about (like, they don't donate to charities or feed the homeless soup at christmas). it bothers me.

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

is being healthy the most important thing in the world then?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

jbr otm

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

No, but if you havent got that, then all the good things arent as enjoyable, as anyone with an ill relative that cant enjoy things the way they used to becaue of fatigue/discomfort/paim, will testify

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I look a little weird now - I quit chemicals during the holidays and I've gained 9 pounds in the last two weeks by eating like a fucking maniac, at one point eating McCain's freezer cake with my bare hands. If you eat fast enough it dulls your sinus sensitivity and kills your appetite for cocaine. It's weird how my belly is all swollen but there is still a shell of chiseled abs that now look plastic like someone glued them on. My face looks a little meatier but this makes Mother happy so cool beans - I'm underweight anyway. I've never eaten like this in my life but it's quite fun. I do notice I'm sleeping longer and have to take a long shower just to gain morning alertness, though.

People who talk self-deprecatingly/pityingly about being underweight are lying (I used to do it too). You idiots, the internet has brought about a whole new "younger, flatter, bonier, tighter" ideal so do up some pigtails and there will ALWAYS be endless people that want to fuck you over overweighters. And please don't get pumped up/superior because you're skinny, because it's not like it takes much effort. "Oh, I have peanuts for personality, can't write for shit, have feeble little indie friends that can't fight, but at least I can make fun of fat people." I know I'll never get truly fat unless I start mainlining butter or something, so why get pissed at others who have a harder time of it?

I only feel sorry for highly overweight people on the dancefloor, because it's harder for them to bust moves with longevity. But that's it.

― Le Coq, Thursday, 29 January 2004 07:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to do the "Aww, I'm just skin and bones" act for this purpose, probably like everyone else that does it: "I'm self-effacing and angsty about my appearance, which makes me a good guy on message board terms, but I'm also tacitly broadcasting that I don't suffer from the far less fashionable fat angst." It's like complaining how you're too pale this month while secretly knowing tons of guys on message boards fetishize that sort of thing.

― Le Coq, Thursday, 29 January 2004 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

busted!

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Thursday, 29 January 2004 09:37 (twenty-two years ago)

six years pass...

Controversy over 'fatties' sparks apology

Can one blog post spark a national debate? It happened yesterday, when Marie Claire writer Maura Kelly published a story titled “Should "Fatties" Get a Room?”

http://www.shine.yahoo.com/channel/health/controversy-over-fatties-sparks-apology-2404430/

― fakey (buzza), Thursday, 28 October 2010 14:40 (fifteen years ago)

sparks "apology"

― like reindeer bitch we blitzen (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 28 October 2010 14:43 (fifteen years ago)

the thing that really drives me nuts about this is that it's like a hair away from hate speech and will still ultimately will play out as a huge victory for marie claire. the editor will keep her job, the writer will keep her job, the mag will get tons of free attention, and the entire staff will benefit from a SHIT TON of traffic which they can then use to get mega-$$$ in advertising.

― like reindeer bitch we blitzen (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 28 October 2010 14:46 (fifteen years ago)

Writers say inflammatory things to get attention? No wonder I've been doing it wrong.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:09 (fifteen years ago)

Okay, I don't think allowing a (former?) anorexic to write an article about overweight people is a good idea regardless of how you look at it.

― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:14 (fifteen years ago)

good lord, that blog post is mean. her "apology" is too contrived and convenient.

also, what ned said. i know it's cool and edgy to write inflammatory things, but -- taken together -- that type of discourse has a real impact. it's the same type of nonsense that has commentators shouting slogans at each other on television, instead of discussing substance. it's the same type of nonsense that legitimizes the type of teasing and goading that leads some people to depression and even desparation.

sadly, i think whiney's right about the positive impact of all this on the magazine, and even the writer.

― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)

morbidly obese people not attractive, film from the neck down at 11

― Kerm, Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:36 (fifteen years ago)

WTF is this. Wow. These writers sometimes...

― Str8 Drapin It (chrisv2010), Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:38 (fifteen years ago)

i guess they don't have human editors for these things? the original article contains the phrase "heroine addict"

― dude (del), Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:46 (fifteen years ago)

i mean, it is a magazine blog.

So, I can tell you from experience that no one looks at these AT ALL. And already overworked editors are expected to pump these out during the day all the time--in addition to their own work. So, yeah, this happens.

― like reindeer bitch we blitzen (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:48 (fifteen years ago)

i figured as much...

Now, don't go getting the wrong impression: I have a few friends who could be called plump. I'm not some size-ist jerk.

lol

― dude (del), Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:50 (fifteen years ago)

my first thought at looking at the link was, "when did John Goodman have a shaved head during the run of Roseanne?"

― sarahel, Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:55 (fifteen years ago)

it really is a radical idea for a sitcom. most of them feature a fat guy paired with a bone-thin woman

― dude (del), Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:56 (fifteen years ago)

#hopesup

― Kerm, Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)

What do you guys think? Fat people making out on TV — are you cool with it?

I do love how that sounds more like the title of an early-era ilx troll thread rather than the output of a professional journalist

― dude (del), Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)

To be brutally honest, even in real life, I find it aesthetically displeasing to watch a very, very fat person simply walk across a room — just like I'd find it distressing if I saw a very drunk person stumbling across a bar or a heroine addict slumping in a chair.

those drunks and junkies -- so aesthetically displeasing

― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 28 October 2010 16:17 (fifteen years ago)

would not be sad if this person gets hit by a very fat bus

― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Thursday, 28 October 2010 16:19 (fifteen years ago)

just like I'd find it distressing if I saw a very drunk person stumbling across a bar or a heroine addict slumping in a chair.

hmmm, it really depends on what sort of chair it is, i suppose. nodding out and ikea don't mix imo

― dude (del), Thursday, 28 October 2010 16:23 (fifteen years ago)

nodding off in an eames lounger is much preferred, yes

― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 28 October 2010 16:29 (fifteen years ago)

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― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 28 October 2010 16:30 (fifteen years ago)

* Decode His Body Language

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/137338/REX-RYAN-MIDDLE-FINGER-FLICKS-OFF.jpg

― catalina whiney ilxor (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 October 2010 16:42 (fifteen years ago)

lets go eat some godamn snacks.

― Str8 Drapin It (chrisv2010), Thursday, 28 October 2010 16:44 (fifteen years ago)

If the whole problem is watching this TV show makes you uncomfortable then DON'T WATCH THE SHOW.

― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 28 October 2010 17:04 (fifteen years ago)

Well, she says that she doesn't watch TV.

Her paragraph-length aside about health and nutrition tips was kind of condescending, too.

― jaymc, Thursday, 28 October 2010 19:08 (fifteen years ago)

marie claire sucks.

just last month they ran an article about how food bloggers are borderline anorexic and food obsessed

now this. what dumbasses. clearly need distribution numbers.

also that tv show does sound awful though. not because of the fat people making out, though.

― homosexual II, Thursday, 28 October 2010 19:43 (fifteen years ago)

what could possibly be awful about a laugh-track based sitcom in 2010?

― dude (del), Thursday, 28 October 2010 19:48 (fifteen years ago)

was in a mexican restaurant the other day, sitting near a table of kids. at one point, i overheard one of the guys saying, "i know, she's lost a ton of weight and she looks great now, but i could never be her friend. she'll always be a far person to me." he seemed sincere. kind of a bummer.

― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 28 October 2010 19:56 (fifteen years ago)

skinny snacking

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/files/original/marie_claire_ashley_judd_1206.jpg

― natty thread lock (am0n), Thursday, 28 October 2010 20:00 (fifteen years ago)

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