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Everything in the Mac store is Snow White, or Titanium. How long can this last? What color scheme do you think Mac will cotton to next? The playful colors of the first iMacs and iBooks seem a world away, yet the mini ipods are in shiny metallic pink, blue, green, and silver. Is this the way of the future for Mac? Does the Titanium really overheat? Are they going to need to replace it? It's really not as sleek as the Sony Vaio was 5 years ago. Will they ever return to basic black? Make predictions, speculation, etc.

Also, how much did Mac pay to get Buffy, Dawson et al to endorse their product at every minute? If the series' endorsed on their own behalf--that was like 50 min. of free advertising a week--not bad. Certainly must have been more powerful than a few 1 min. ads?

Has Mac jumped the shark? Five years ago their seemed to be a certain prestige, club mentality to having a Mac. Now, frankly, walking into the Soho store is an embarassment--with those lecture presentations on how to use iPhoto, and the genius bar...what gives?

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

MAC HAS NOT JUMPED THE SHARK
Can you hear me in Cincinnati?

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Next they'll have pretty desings on them.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

They're teaching you some dumb shit at NYU if you think they jumped the shark...

ModJ (ModJ), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

CKB to thread!

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not from jersey, you goddamned freak

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

They'll be clear.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Do these mid-90s style ads, plastered on every street in Manhattan, inspire confidence?

http://www.simply.ca/products/images/iPod_Sept03_ad.jpg

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

you act like you are.

xpost

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

huh?

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Compared to Dell Cow fashion, I'd say Apple still has the upper hand by quite a bit when it comes to tech-style. (What was the last microsoft ad you noticed?) I'll gladly exchange cult status if it means more mac support and software.

bnw (bnw), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Cow =Gateway. Or has Dell ripped off Gateway advertising?

I would love to see a clear laptop- that would be *awesome*!! Anyway, I'm glad they make their laptops white/titanium now; the old black powerbooks didn't look anywhere near as nice. This is my very first powerbook that I "personalized" late one night in college when I should have been studying:

http://www.wendyk.org/pb520.jpg

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, Dell has its cool intern ads! Gag.

bnw (bnw), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

looks like all aluminium for pro machines and white for consumer for the time being. Coloured aluminium could be the next move for the consumer range.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i was wondering about this recently in relation to macs and fragrance packaging - this http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/2041/b1159a0887ef83/www.apple.com/r/store/smallinfoblock/images/17_top_09122003.jpg is basically the same as this http://www.escentual.co.uk/isroot/Escentual/SiteImages/Categories/calvinklein/contradiction_for_women.jpg - but how long can it go on?

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I second the shark jump.

El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Titanium overheats? Has anyone told the space shuttle designers?

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/2041/b1159a0887ef83/www.apple.com/r/store/smallinfoblock/images/17_top_09122003.jpg

nothing with such stone cold modernist lines can jump the shark, it's like a van de rohe barcelona chair or a robin day sofa. The iMac on the other hand was far to baroque.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf is "Jumped the shark"?

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.jumptheshark.com

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the "Think Different" ads were the beginning of the end. The consumer could no longer be trusted to think (different) for themselves, but had to be instruced to by the Mac people.

http://www.hollywoodlegends.com/images/ein-apple.jpg

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Jump the Shark ref. to the one of the later episodes of Happy Days where Fonzie jumped over the shark tank on his motorcycle. The idea being that if anyone has to go to those lengths to ensure viewer/reader/buyership, then it's time to quit.

ModJ (ModJ), Sunday, 1 February 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Mac had been running with the underdog "think different" vibe for years before those ads. Remember? I think Mary is leting her current upgrade difficulties sour her on all things Apple.

bnw (bnw), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

in that case i think mac has jumped the shark.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Apple has definately not jumped the shark *especially* in terms of styling, and suggesting so in sheer insanity. And as long as they're being compared, the Vaio is klutzy compared to the PowerBook, which is simply the sexiest, best-designed and well-made laptop out there. FACT !!!

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Is the TiBook really not an overheater? (I was just saying what I had heard.) In that case I might get it when this machine breathes it last breath.

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

The bottom of it does warm up after using it for a few hours, but I wouldn't call that 'overheating'. I mean, it's not even close to the point of burning you or anything like that. Other laptops get warm too. Anyway, the latest line-up of PowerBooks is made of 'aviation-grade' aluminum or something like that, they no longer use titanium. They look the same though.

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

TiBook was quite warm, but not too bad, they didn't overheat though.

x-post

Ed (dali), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

http://john1701a.com/museum/scans/museum_1986-12_Apple-Macintosh.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The laptops are designed, ironically, I guess, to discharge heat through the keyboard, which means that the thing is one giant (!) heat sink... making it slightly inappropriate for lap use...

ModJ (ModJ), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The PowerBook's keyboard does *not* get in the least bit warm.

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I find its under the left wrist rest where it gets warm on my g3.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this Stealth marketing ?

Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

My old g3 used to get WAY hot. Now I have a g5 and it's very pleasant.

ModJ (ModJ), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I didn't intend for "overheat" to be taken so literally. I meant it, like, gets hot when you use it. Hotter than previous powerbooks. I don't speak from experience though. I just know that my old-skul G3 powerbook doesn't get too hot.

It's interesting that everyone is concentrating on the jump-the-shark comment. I just threw that in at random. What I am more interested in, is: What is the next color palette of the Mac family going to be?

I think clear is a very interesting answer. Surely they will change their colors in the next few years, to make the machines that you are all typing on right now look redundant and declasse.

Bnw is right, part of this is sour grapes because my preppie powerbook that I love and that has seen me through grad school will probably be left behind by the developing Mac OS's in the next year or so. So we're really buying computers just to keep up with the new operating systems, not the other way around.

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

What would Willow be using today? iBook or Tibook?

http://www.the-night.net/buffyvsdrac/images/Dracula008.jpg

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 1 February 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember the DC episode where Dawson is going off to college and his father buys him a non-Mac computer? Dawson has a freak-out and makes a speach out how Mac is part of his identity and if his father doesn't realize that than his father doesn't know him?

Remember Felicity? The whole series was like an ad for Mac. What was it with the WB and Macs? Did they use Macs bc they were cool or were Macs cool bc they used them?

Does Rory have a Mac? I can't remember anyone on Gilmore Girls endorsing a computer...

I saw a re-run from the last season of DC and Joey had had a small milk white powerbook. I wonder why they chose that and not the tibook? To emphasize her small=town roots?

I think that now, sadly, the people who are thinking different are the people who are not buying Mac.

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 1 February 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

SATC woman has a mac, as does tom cruise's character in mission impossible, and the world was saved with a mac on independence day.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 1 February 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

PCs are Incorrect on TV

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 1 February 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

So we're really buying computers just to keep up with the new operating systems, not the other way around.

Yes, true, but you might want to read this, though.

If that's an idea that truly bothers you, that's fine. *nix continues to exist to this day partially because of that reason. I highly suggest that you take advantage of the old laptop and convert it to Linux and/or use the Unix base of OS X (if you have it on that one) to run *nix programs.

And before you say that they are too difficult to learn, I will disclose that I haven't learned them either. Yet. But that's my problem and your problem - you can't blame Apple, Microsoft, Dell, et al for wanting to make profits by selling the same item to the same consumer repeatedly. If you really wanted to be freed from that cycle badly enough, you would learn *nixes (assuming that you don't already).

Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 1 February 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's the instructions to make a transparent iBook case.
http://www.kodawarisan.com/ug/iBook/clear/clear1.html

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 1 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing about the Macs being used in films and TV is that Macs happen to be what a majority of the people in the film and tv industry run, from pre-production through to post (now that FCP is gaining momentum). People like Roger Avary, for example, don't have Apple asking them to place their products in the screen - the filmmakers themselves are very often Mac addicts who are showing their support. I'm not saying that Apple hasn't ever paid for placement, but I honestly believe that those who are fierce Mac lovers and happen to be in a position to choose which computers are being used by which characters will often pick Macs out of love, not money. Although I suppose it is a good argument to hit Apple up for money and/or free product, too...nothing wrong with that...

Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 1 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

think differentLY argghghghrgrhgrhgrhrghrghrghrg

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 2 February 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Can anyone defend the genius bar? Next they will be serving Starbucks mocha there as well.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 February 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.timemachinetoys.com/toypics/vismankit.JPG

v.

http://www.kodawarisan.com/ug/iBook/clear/cl600_2.jpg

ModJ (ModJ), Monday, 2 February 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

There's an apple ad near the end of the liner notes of Limp Bizkit's Results May Vary. The entire booklet uses Apple font and on the page opposite Fred's Thank Yous is a poem about how the rebels, the outcasts, those who think differently, change the world. And there's a little apple logo.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 2 February 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Frankly, I think this might have been an unpaid endorsement, like how he notes that he "slips on his headphones/listens to the Deftones" on one track.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 2 February 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

oh and it's OLD SCHOOL mac font, like in gabbeb's pic. You know Fred kicks it old school.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 2 February 2004 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Now does anyone else wanna say Apple hasn't jumped the shark?

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 2 February 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.callalillie.com/archives/0903/applead.jpg

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 February 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

that is SO cute!

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

SoHo has definitely jumped the shark.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 2 February 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

At the lecture hall in Soho

http://www.tcf.ua.edu/TVCrit/Illustrations/Ch12/images/image008.jpg

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm being summoned to thread but I don't know why...

Anyway, don't expect color schemes to change much in the medium term - especially on the laptops. The initial colored "toilet seat" iBooks were criticized a lot by the executive class because they were too cutesy-looking. Oddly enough, being "cutesy" and "easy to use" has always been a criticism of Macs and the Mac OS since day one - usually from the IT folks.

Silver hardware with blue LEDs is pretty much the design zeitgeist of the first half of the decade and that's not likely to change for awhile. However I do want a "gun metal" colored PowerBook. "professional-grade" whatever just doesn't cut it for me anymore, I want weapons-grade computing.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

My favorite Mac-related article of the week. FBI infosec guys use OS X!. My fave quote:

"If you're a bad guy and you want to frustrate law enforcement, use a Mac."

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Apple is getting less cute, not more cute, and that's a bad thing.

Maybe it happened when they de-colored the Apple?

http://www.chemie.uni-marburg.de/~becker/apple.gif

After the pop color explosion of the blueberries and tangerines, I think what we have now is attempt at sexy/bland.

Silver was hot/cool in the '90s--I think it is approaching has-been. I don't know, I haven't looked at any design mags lately. I'm not sure what the trend is right now.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you can summarize my comments on this thread as the following: WHY THE HELL DON'T THEY MAKE A PINK IBOOK?!

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

they didn't want to be gay-power apple, i think.

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

nice

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I want a really dark maroon one.

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Tans, browns, olive greens, and faded yellows are good for the next cool colors.

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Marimekko Macintosh?

http://www.sonyplaza.com/marimekko/img/top_main.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.kiwiscraps.com/Shop%20files/cardstock/cardstock/maroon.jpg

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

The BarbiBook

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

a little texture would be nice too:
http://www.billiards.com/mall/Giuseppe%20Images/maroon.gif

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Listen, the mofo can be electric UTennessee orange for all I fucking care as long as it works better than the piece of shit motherboard-going pile of Compaq le junk that I have right now. I'm in the middle of shopping for notebooks right now and debating between Dell and Mac and there's about a $300 price jump between the two (part of which is, admittedly, the fact that I think I HAVE to buy a printer to get a Mac tho I will investigate further tomorrow in on campus computer lab) and I want to know, regardless of fashionocity--can I transport my shit between the computers? There's already a bit of a "Oh shit" factor here considering I can't transport my pirated Photoshop onto a Mac but I gots like gigs of MP3s and photos on this one already and I know how to quickly transport btwn the Dell and the Compaq, can I do this if I buy a Power Book?

Yes I'm too lazy to find an appropriate Mac thread for this question.

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 04:52 (twenty-one years ago)

get the mac--you'll end up shelling out that $300 on things the other machine won't have enough of/or won't have built into it.

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Is the titanium laptop not tempting?

ModJ (ModJ), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

there are people who can transport fiiles btwn computers for you.

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

haha do they do it for free? The thing is, I won't end up shelling extra for other things that the Dell doesn't have--the only thing I need to shell extra for is a floppy drive, which isn't built into PC laptops (hasn't Mac just like done away with floppies? It seemed like it a few years ago), and I need to be able to transport files back and forth between school/home and floppies are easiest. So with that added cost, it still came out $300 less. All of the programs I have and have access to are PC. I don't see what the huge savings would be or what I might ahve to shell extra for.

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

there are no titanium laptops no more

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

huh? see mac.com

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just in the middle of purchasing what I believed to be a Titanium laptop? I assume Orbit's post is saying the same so I'm being redundant?

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

you can pirate photoshop etc etc. you just need to find a computer geek in your area.

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

ally, transporting files between mac and pc is easy, best way, email shit to your university account, or remote login from home or a uni access point and upload. Files are the same in mac and pc universes a word file is a word file whether it's made on a mac or a pc, same for every other file type. If you have to transfer a lot of files, burn a cd, remember to burn it in a format that a pc can reed; a mac can reed any format, pc's are a little more choosy.

I remain by my prediction of iPod mini coloured iBooks.

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Apple no longer makes a titatium laptop they are all aluminium now. iBooks are better value than powerbooks right now though.

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

good point. burn your files to a dual-format cd and then the only thing left is to get mac copies of the programs you use. you will be happier in the long run, but that is my biased opinion.

i was in a similar position in school, though, where everything was PC--but I still relied on my mac--they crash less, are easier to fix/support and have all around less headaches.

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

even on my uni's pc only network I could log my powerbook onto the network and copy files to my drive space even if they wouldn't flip the switch to allow me to print directly from my computer.

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

you can pirate photoshop etc etc. you just need to find a computer geek in your area.

You don't even need a computer geek - just network bandwidth. Everything is available on BitTorrent.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

dude. all bitorrent.com does is send .exe files!

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

go to suprnova.org

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

shit. spelled it wrong. 2 t's

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

and before that get the client from versiontracker

(xp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

s u p r n 0 v @ . t k

xpost

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just waiting for:

MEN's MAC

You know, Mac's with beer can holders and condom drawers and, you know, GUY stuff. WITHOUT all the po-mo froo froo.

The whole current design aesthetic of Mac is sooooo handbag-house/fashion-show-catwalk.

Jobs Paul Gaultier indeed.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha I had a long xpost asking Orbit why in the world I'd go out of my way to find a computer geek and forge a false friendship with them to get free Mac programs when I've already done this with a PC geek because I didn't see how that really explained things being cheaper in the long run, but she posted the point about less crashing/more reliable which is basically the main #1 supa reason why I miss my Mac and am even considering getting a new one so the sarcastic post is just useless now ;)

Ed: ok this is a good question cos I know no one with an iBook, wtf do they do and what is the difference between the two? Is the iBook anything like the iMac? Cos the iMac was a piece of shit and the reason why I didn't purchase another Mac those fateful years ago upon which I purchased this cursed Compaq.

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

MackDaddyntosh OG6

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

is that the same site?

did i do something bad there by not google-proofing it?

(double-xp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

make that a triple

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

not that it probably matters at this point, but I'd like to put in a vote for Ally to buy a WinXP Pro-based Centrino powered laptop.

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

and bittorent doesn't load.

and ally no one said false friendship. go to a fucking 2600 meeting, there are people who *live* to do that kind of shit.

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

directory listing denied at the super site

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i am just a stupid fucking end user i give up on this *right* *now*

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

most recent iBook are very little different to the lower end powerbooks, (marginally lower processor and bus speeds), they don't feature, bluetooth and airport as standard (internal bluetooth not even an option). The $500 difference between a 12" powerbook and a 12" iBook isn't worth it. The difference in power is marginal. Bear in mind I am still not feeling underpowered on a 3 and a half year old G3 500. I don't do any hardcore graphics work, will you?

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

What are you supposed to find on the 2 above-referenced URLs? I just got a blank page.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I will admit that another strong pulling draw to spending the xtra for the Mac is that if I purchase it online TOMORROW I should have it before the end of the week which means when I move this weekend, I will NOT have to haul this enormous desktop with me and instead can smash it into bits, satisfyingly, and leave it in the middle of my kitchen of my old apartment. Dell doesn't ship til the 10th cos they have to "build it" WTF?

XPOST Orbit how the fuck are you helping anyone right now?

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

interesting propositions and arguments put forward.

having used Apple's products for nigh on 23 years (Macintosh for ~20 now), I think the move to minimal design and colour schemes is a good one.. although white should go the way of beige. it gets dirty quickly, dates like Dan Flavin's artwork and is just a bit turtle necky.

it would be good if you could get hold of case parts to mod them yourself, without the end result looking like a Ravel model put together by a myoptic crack addict.

OS wise, the move to buy out NeXT was brilliant. *NIX base is the way to go, especially from Mac OS 9, which had so many layers of flakey code that it was like juggling with trifles when developing for it -> unstable, gooey and always likely to leave a mess on everything it touched. having the *NIX core has meant that a huge area of the professional market that Apple had lost (research science) to the *NIXes were able to come straight back with little or no learning curve.

the actual user experience in Aqua, the graphical layer above Darwin (the FreeBSD based *NIX core), is extremely well designed and very fluid in evolution. having used Mac OS X for the past ~3 years, I can assure that the current incarnation is sooo much better than it was at the start.

anyway. good products on all levels. somewhat blinkered approach to the marketing etc, but that's the pricve of being the most successful underdog computer hardware manufacturer in the past 20 years I guess.

flame on! ;)

S_, Monday, 2 February 2004 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost i'm not that is why I GAVE UP

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:36 (twenty-one years ago)

that site does not have the best of uptimes

xpost

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:36 (twenty-one years ago)

most recent iBook are very little different to the lower end powerbooks, (marginally lower processor and bus speeds), they don't feature, bluetooth and airport as standard (internal bluetooth not even an option). The $500 difference between a 12" powerbook and a 12" iBook isn't worth it. The difference in power is marginal.

there are more differences than just the processor and bus speeds (you think the different bus speeds are marginal?). the RAM is slower, the L2 m/b cache is slower.. I could go on at great length.

Powerbooks are for power users, not just for a word processor, email client and web browser.. etc.

Bear in mind I am still not feeling underpowered on a 3 and a half year old G3 500. I don't do any hardcore graphics work, will you?

and you're running Mac OS X (10.3)? I hope you have decent amount of RAM in there. 32bit interfaces suck the processing power a bit..

S_, Monday, 2 February 2004 05:43 (twenty-one years ago)

that site does not have the best of uptimes
When you're fightin' the law every day you've got to expect some downtime.

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

OK I really need a new computer it is eating the shit out of everything I do jesus christ. I just had a huge huge post and it's all gone.

Summary: Ed, I am no longer using complex graphical work. Basically the reason I am bemoaning my photoshop loss is because I hate the shit out of iPhoto, I mean like I wish I could melt the person who designed it kind of hate. So I'd like a photo editing program that is not iPhoto. But we're not talking like major work here. I also need MS Word, internet stuff (I need both a modem and a network port ATM), music stuff. Nothig really complex or difficult at all to be honest, the iBook can probably handle it if it's what you're saying. I hate 12" notebooks though, if anyone cares about my personal preferences. I don't use any sort of wireless internet and have no intention to do so, either (pretty much the only reason I want a laptop is because the size makes it easier to find a place in a small room or apartment for it, the only portability I might need is to take it on the Amtrak with me and write papers when it's that time of the semester).

xpost ok define a poweruser versus a wordprocessor/chat user because I'd like something that has the capability that, if I decided to start freelancing again, I can do something beyond just basic "Hi I'm a new computer user" stuff that made me want to kill the designer of the iMac.

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd buy this.

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate iPhoto too-for the mac, Photoshop Elements (aka Photoshop lite) is what you want if you just need to make little widgety graphics for your homepage & adjust lighting or whatever in your photos.

Also, I bought the little USB bluetooth adapter for my iBook, it's not that big of a deal that it's external. I just plug it in when I'm home & want to to use it with my phone, then pull it out & toss it in the drawer when I'm done.

lyra (lyra), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

10.3 640Mb of RAM, apple has wisely not turned on any of the quartz extreme dohickies that would suck the life out of older machines. I will upgrade just as soon as the shoehorn a G5 into a 15" powerbook. (not a long time coming I would think, the power consumption figures for the new 90nm 970s are really good)

iBook will still be fine for photoshop work, it just won't be as fast, hell I know design studios still using beige G3s in the front line. I'd get some more RAM for it though, i'd recommend that for any mac, they are all pretty under specced in that department. OSX starts to work really well above 512Mb RAM.

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:55 (twenty-one years ago)

When is Apple EVER going to make a 2.9 (or lighter) pound notebook? I'd trade a lot to lose the last 2 pounds...

lyra (lyra), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)

good question, an apple sub notebook would be a killer computer.

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 05:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The differences that I can see on the site between the highest end iBook (the 1.whatever ghz 14") and the PowerBook I was looking at (the 15" combo drive) are all things I don't really need, I don't think? Bluetooth is another wireless thing, right?

iPhoto is terrible, I'm glad someone else agrees. "Photoshop Elements" sounds about right, I haven't really been using Photoshop to the best of my/its abilities for many years now...

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 06:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Or I'd buy this.

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:00 (twenty-one years ago)

haha Bryan I am taking yr suggestions into note!! It's just that I actually know a lot about PCs after a good year working on the IT group at my last job so I don't have any questions about them. I promise you are not being ignored though :)

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 06:02 (twenty-one years ago)

again, look at the spec difference between the two 14" iBooks $200 for 20GB HD (which is a $50 upgrade) and 67 extra Mhz, not worth it.

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just being silly. Buy whatever you like, Ally.

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:04 (twenty-one years ago)

MAc users do care for debate (as long as you realise we are better than you ;-))

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:04 (twenty-one years ago)

If it weren't for all the Mac users I've come across who leave off the winky I'd readily agree with you, Ed.

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:05 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, having been forced to work on well maintained pcs for the last months a lot of myths have been exploded, but I still wouldn't buy ones. Who wants to put all that efford into tuning things to this level when I can have a better computer straight out of the box)

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:06 (twenty-one years ago)

That's true, my current computer is "only" 20GB and I've still got 5GB left after all these years. But what is Bluetooth??

haha to upgrade to that 60GB HD is only $45 anyway if you pick option 1 and then just upgrade it. I'm not going to but good lord, wtf?

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

blue tooth is a 'personal area networking' standard, its good for connecting phones and pdas. I use it to sync the address book between my phone and my computer.

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha like I even call my friends, much less maintain an address book, just ask them! OK another reduction in price all for meeeeee.

The iBook is now turning out actually cheaper than the dell I was looking at.

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Yr sure that the word processing files would be crossplatform?

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 06:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I am so getting a new computer when Doom III comes out. The chances of it being a Mac are slim, but who knows. Also just a note, my work PC which runs XP Pro has never crashed (It'll be a year tomorrow).

Ally, are you getting an academic discount??

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Bluetooth is what Ed said-- it's used for very, very shortrange networking. Mostly right now it's used for cellphones with wireless headsets.

Anyway, my ibook came with Apple Works, which perfectly opens any Word or Excel files that my managers toss at me...

lyra (lyra), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

'Yr sure that the word processing files would be crossplatform?'

Absolutely, want me to send you a word document to prove it? Word processing wise you can have MS office, open office or Appleworks and deal with word documents.

(The only machine in my office that does crash is the one running XP pro, but it's probably a drive issue)

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:15 (twenty-one years ago)

10.3 640Mb of RAM, apple has wisely not turned on any of the quartz extreme dohickies that would suck the life out of older machines. I will upgrade just as soon as the shoehorn a G5 into a 15" powerbook. (not a long time coming I would think, the power consumption figures for the new 90nm 970s are really good)

you won't see a G5 in a Powerbook this year. there are too many hardware issues with:

  1. the G5 desktop models

  2. the Powerbook (12" aluminium especially) models

rumour on though. :)

iBook will still be fine for photoshop work, it just won't be as fast, hell I know design studios still using beige G3s in the front line. I'd get some more RAM for it though, i'd recommend that for any mac, they are all pretty under specced in that department.

any computer needs to have more RAM in it than shipped originally. especially given processor intensive stuff. basic rules here.

i think you are confusing Photshop with a layout app like Quark's XPress or Adobe's InDesign per chance? try opening a 20-40MB CMYK file and doing some retouching on the aforementioned iBook. I also know design studios using G3s.. but none of them do Photoshop work on them.

OSX starts to work really well above 512Mb RAM.

given that 256MB is the bare minimum needed, are you surprised?

S_, Monday, 2 February 2004 06:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Anybody opening a 40 MB image file on *any* kind of portable is out of their minds! The only desktop computer I've ever owned was in college when I had Photoshop files for art class with 100s of layers. Besides, by the time you attach the drawing pads, negative scanners, etc... you want to set it all up on a desk once, and leave it all there.

Hmmm, which reminds me of another wish: a digital camera that would send images -> laptop wirelessly. I am on a "get cables out of my life" kick these days, and that's one I really wish for.

lyra (lyra), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:19 (twenty-one years ago)

not at all, but not enough people know that.

'I also know design studios using G3s'

trust me, they value the tea making time when apply filters ;-)

G5 in a powerbook is a real possibility this year. With the new 90nm G5s, the 2.0Ghz part pumps out about 21W, a 1.4Ghz part would be somehwere around 10-12W. Well within the bounds of possibility for a laptop. Of course there are other issues, but I can guarantee that there will be a G5 laptop by the end of the year and probably much earlier.

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

But can you open those same files back up on a PC? When I had a Mac, like I said, this was damn near impossible. I never had problems importing to the Mac but sending it back was like performing brain surgery. xpost--Yeah! Ed, email me a test if you don't mind, send to mlescaut@att.net and I'll open it here. It's like a real time ad for Mac!!!

Spencer, yes, I'd get an educational discount and also XP Pro is a pretty good system so I'm not surprised. My saga as to why I'm considering a switch back in full: Me, my mother and a friend of mine all purchased the same model of Compaq about four years ago now, it was top end at the time and on a very good deal so we just all got them during the exact same month. Worked pretty well for 3 and a half years for all of us. Then all of us started getting really weird ass problems, all during the same time last year. We all assumed virus and scanned and doctored and eventually rebuilt our systems multiple times and we were still experiencing all the same dodgy shit. I had the same problem once with my work computer (a Dell), which had a major meltdown while I was in the middle of an extremely complex program and the entire motherboard just went straight to hell and had to be replaced, so I tell everyone that maybe this is the issue. Eventually my mom gives up and takes in the computer to be repaired. The tech is completely not shocked and informs her that A) he's yet to see a Compaq not completely die at the four year mark, they seem to be built that way, ticking time bombs B) YOU CAN ONLY PURCHASE COMPAQ MOTHERBOARDS TO USE WITH COMPAQ COMPUTERS, AND INDEED PRETTY MUCH A LOT OF THE PARTS ARE COMPAQ ONLY, SO HELLO ENORMOUS EXPENSES.

Basically a huge draw to the PC is the there's not that weird proprietal thing that the Mac had such a stronghold on, only can use their techs and their parts and blah blah blah, you can basically put any old shit in a PC, right? This turns out to be completely untrue and it was more expensive to fix the Compaq than it would've been to have fixed a smiliar issue on a Mac.

And also more expensive than just buying a new computer, which my mom did and me and my friend are now in the process of attempting to do.

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 06:24 (twenty-one years ago)

If I ever have to open a Quark XPress document again in my life, it'll be way too soon.

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Was your Compaq a laptop? My powerbook's motherboard literally went up in a small puff of smoke just about year ago, and I was told that a new motherboard for it was $900.... or I could buy an ibook for about $1,200. I think laptops in general don't last very long & are really expensive to fix when they do die...

lyra (lyra), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:28 (twenty-one years ago)

have sent a test word doc, (first thing I found in my documents folder, an old cv)

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally, beware when Ed says something is easy-peasy. Gareth and I have a major time simply trying to trasfer files between our two machines -- though the fault may well be with us and not our computers.

I hate the whole i-lexicology. iTunes, iBook, iPhoto, iMovie...iLife...it's so embarassing!

I would love it if they came out with iBooks in the mini iPod disco colors. The only thing is, they would get stale after a few months when Mac unleashed their new color scheme.

If they want us to buy a new computer every season, they better major decrease the price!

I just signed up for a free trial membership of iDisk (groan) because I want my files to be protected when this computer blows, and I have a public file, and it took Gareth forever to be able to put something in it. He had to download this Windows-based application, and then fine-tune it.

Beware iAlly, beware.

Also, this could just be jealousy, but I don't know if I like the kitchen-ware whites. NEW COLORS PLEASE. Or any colors. Or why can't they just use a cheaper silver finish to do up the ibook with?

iMary (Mary), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally I'd say if your discount is making the Mac competitive with a PC, then go for it. At retail (like Best Buy), a comparable PC laptop is around $500 less. I mean, you're a student and you're comfortable with them, they're cool and have cool features. Also it's not a mystery where to find and repair the "any old shit" that can go into a PC.

Also, instead of a floppy, why don't you just send yourself email attachments?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Are either of the big screenwriting programs (Fi*al Draft, Scre*nwriter2k) widely available over BitTorrent?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

No--I've never owned a laptop before (which is why the bigger, the better, I have a difficult time typing on a laptop and like the little bit of extra room on the keyboard).

So, yeah, to replace a motherboard on a regular desktop to be almost equitable in price to me just purchasing a new laptop is insane.

xpost: Ed it totally worked! Without any fuss at all. Holy shit, wow, they've really improved that a lot. This is terrific, terrific, cutting out purchasing the printer makes the Mac about 400x more attractive. Also your grades are fantastic! ;)

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

dipped a bit in uni though, I blame music drugs and crap lecturers

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:34 (twenty-one years ago)

also nop idea if that version has my original or revised (lower) degree classification

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Ed, a gentle giant of Mac proselytism. (If I've spelled that right.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

My grades are for shit these days, all B+s and a C- that totally blew my GPA, thank god no US employers ask for information like that. Also I had no idea that we were so close in age, I assumed you were older than me! The things I learn from being a complete moron who can't figure out how to compare items online.

Thanks though, seriously! The test results were amazing, seriously. I'm kind of mind blown by that because, like I said, when I was at the newspaper trying to open Mac files on a PC was like stabbing yourself in the eye.

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 06:40 (twenty-one years ago)

there used to be different word file formats for mac and pc but the standardised around word 6.

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been being fed a lot of information from a certain friend of mine who may or may not be named Craig and might be an IT administrator who hates Macs and has told me that the formats were not standardized.

Allyzay, Monday, 2 February 2004 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

man of FUD

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Another about nuMac, their lauded internet system -- Safari -- had the built in links to Apple, .Mac, Amazon, eBay and Yahoo just staring you in the face everyday. Do these people think we are made of money?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 February 2004 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

so drag them out of the button bar and make them go poof.

Ed (dali), Monday, 2 February 2004 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

well they are kind of useful...

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 February 2004 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)

mary's so cute

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 2 February 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

haha I worked in the military for too long, my bookmarks bar in Safari reads like this:

MWC GWU AMG LMP LMET MAIL DISC USAA IMDB DCP ILE AS /. WP YA AMZ ACWD

TOMBOT, Monday, 2 February 2004 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Anybody opening a 40 MB image file on *any* kind of portable is out of their minds!

I do this routinely on my PowerBook. But I also have a GB of RAM in it.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 2 February 2004 09:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Are either of the big screenwriting programs (Fi*al Draft, Scre*nwriter2k) widely available over BitTorrent?

I haven't seen them specifically on Torrent, but FD gets posted all the time to alt.binaries.mac.applications.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 2 February 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

http://grunk.ath.cx/mt/images/Bolkovr.jpg

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 February 2004 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

someone told me that the fight scene in the 'cripple fight' episode of south park was closely based on that fight scene in they live! .

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 2 February 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Ed,
Are macs still cheap in the states at the moment?
What would be the best thing to do when considering buying.
I want a 12" G4 aluminium powerbook, any spec. ~£500-600.

Willdabeast, Monday, 2 February 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't find anywhere in North America willing to ship to europe... Is there an import/export ban on certain electrical goods?

Nathan W (Nathan Webb), Monday, 2 February 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

orbit i have had just about all the fee warez my heart desires via Limewire.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 2 February 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

fee?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 2 February 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

From the Apple Web site: Oh, one other minor detail, you can choose your iPod mini in one of five trend-setting colors: silver, gold, green, pink or blue. (All shiny.)

I wonder why you can't choose your iPod or your iBook in a "trend-setting color" . . .

It's not like any cell phones are using white hardware, why does Mac favor it?

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like the shiny metal new ipod colours.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 07:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe this packaging predicts Mac's eventual return to the darkside:

http://www.macpoint.it/PICS/ARTICOLI/Panther-box200.jpg

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

colour is far too baroque, shiny metal, white and black are the true path of modernism.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

cpu-noire

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The colors wouldn't be so bad if they didn't pick such ugly colors. That green makes me wish I was dead just to avoid living in a world where such a shade exists.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Great, I finally get one, and now all I hear is "they've jumped the shark" etc. etc. etc. which is perhaps worse than having a mullet.

But I'd just like to say I HAD MY FIRST APPLE BEFORE SOME OF YOU WERE EVEN BORN!!! Grrrrr.

I'd also like to say, don't order yours from J&R Computer World. They take WAAAAAYYYYYY too long to ship. 1-2 days? My ass! Knew I should have ordered it direct from Apple.

the river fleet, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, the green is beautiful! It looks so nice & minty pale in the photos on the apple site.

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I ordered my iPod directly from Apple, and it took them forever to send it, and I had accidentally given them the wrong address (I had just moved, and my old address was in their system and I didn't catch it), and they wouldn't let me correct it with FedEx (or Airborne, I forget), so it would have to be sent BACK to the Apple werehouse and then be sent again, so I said "screw it", cancelled the order, and went to my local shop and bought it. Fortunately Apple let me cancel without a problem, but wow, wow did it take forever for them to ship. (Or for it to get through customs, actually.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't respond to this upthread, but why is having demonstrations on how to use iPhoto and the genius bar an 'embarassment'? I think having free demos on how to use software is neat, and how can you argue with employing a staff of experts (or near-experts, anyway)?

I'm excited for the San Francisco Apple store to finally open. They tore down an existing building and are building a new one custom for it.

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm having the same issue right now. I ordered it Sunday, but late so it probably wasn't processed til Monday. The issue is, of course, that I'm moving this weekend and effectively have two addresses. I ask them to ship it to the one I'm at right now and ask for the expedited shipping and voila it's still not going to get here on time. WTF? It was listed as "ships next day" on the website. Where are they shipping them from, anyway? The Fed Ex website says somewhere in "TW", Taiwan?? Don't they have a place to ship them from here?

Long and the short of it being that I'm moving this weekend but will have to spend Sunday night on the frigging floor of my old apt because Fed Ex claims they'll deliver it quite early on Monday, instead of by Friday, which is what the website promised when I paid for expedited shipping.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Shark jump.

El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

This is when I realize I saved myself a lot of bother by having the luck to have an Apple Store right down the road from where I lived (at the time) when I got my iPod.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Im still using my teal Rio500. Im not willing to go as high-dollar as the iPod. I just throw a 512Mb flash card in there and thats more than enough music for me anyway. 576Mb total of music is more than enough for me. And a couple hundred dollars less.

El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

If it's Taiwan then yeah, you might have to factor in a few extra days of "customs".

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Spinktor OTM, I don't care who hates me for saying this: iPods are overpriced toys and I immediately assume any stranger I see on the train fiddling with one is an asshole.

Re: the Taiwan thing, then they shouldn't say they can ship in the manner they claim on their website. If that had been clearly stated, then I wouldn't have A) paid extra B) would've had it shipped to new address. That all being said, even with all this fucking hassle, it's still faster than Dell could've shipped my computer FROM the United States, wtf?

Allyzay, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

My girlfriend has the Neuros linux-based HD-player with the FM-transmitter built in. Thats pretty cool. But transferring 20GB of music isnt that cool. Id rather just burn a bunch of mp3's to a CD and put it in a compatible player. Faster, and easier in my opinion. Nowadays CDplayers dont skip much anyway.

The iPod is definately cool though. Just overkill for me.

El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i woulda never bought one if i didnt' get it so cheap

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone upthread pined after a pink computer. Someone who knows how to post pictures (i.e., not me) should post the lovely pink alienware gaming computer. Very, very pink.

quincie, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.exonome.com/fj/phkl/open.jpg

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

wow.

that pink ibook was awesome too.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i like coloured plastic better than coloured metal.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

That hello kitty mouse has blown my mind. Now post the alienware machine! It is pink and scary, too!

quincie, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.alienware.com/Images/Prod_Info_Img/cases/configurator_cases/v3_prd_configurator_venusian_pink.jpg

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

WHOA

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure I could sleep at night with that thing in my house.

quincie, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

All that pink for only three grand!

quincie, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

note that it glows pink under the grills too.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

also, their base system is about $1800.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I suggested to Ally that she get an Alienware laptop. Their coolest feature other than the crazy colours is the upgradeable video card. Nice but pricy.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Ed, isn't Eames modernist? I thought bold, primary colors were modernist? I see the aluminumbook as more minimalist--like a mid-90s Calvin Klein ad. CK1.

Sean, the words genius and bar do not belong together. (Plus the the dude there really couldn't answer my question.) My problem with the lecture hall is that while I am simply trying to mill around the store unbothered, I am bothered by a feisty presenter in apple T-shirt with a headset booming her information pitch all over the store. It creates a carnival-esque atmosphere that isn;t conduive to examining the new products.

New colors: the green is really bad, but not as bad as the beige though. I think the pink, blue and silver are ok.

Kate, don't worry, this is mostly jealousy on my part because I can't afford one of these one of these new "jumped-the-shark" items.

My family's first (and last for a long time) was a PC Junior. Did that model SUCK? Or did we just get a lemon?

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

bold primary colours are modernist, anodised pastels are baroque

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Alienware has some weird chameleon paint scheme that changes based on heat and ambient light. Trippy dude, it reminds me of an old GI Joe toy.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.myperfume.com/perfume/ck/ckone.jpg

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.facilityresources.ca/images/herman-miller/freestanding/eames-desk/eamesdeskacc1.jpg

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Im all about some Alienware, all except for the price. Good machines...but they have a problem with AMD for some reason. They picked up the recent Athlon64 which is nice...too bad they are so damn expensive.

I dont like laptops because you cant open them up and switch shit. Well, you can...but you know what im saying. I progressively cycle out old pieces...my macheen is everchanging.

El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Im going to mod my old computer with a 16" woofer as a side panel, a smoke-machine coming out of one of the drive bays, and a bunch of strobe lights and LAZORS. Its going to be the ultimate rave computer.

El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

You'll be the flyest dorkwad on the whole block.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

That maribou trim laptop is amazing. heh.

I am remembering now how one of the old powerbooks from 1996ish (late model 5300??), in some versions, came with a clear plastic panel on the back of the screen which you could snap off & put your own custom decoration under & snap back on. It shipped with 4 or 5 printed pieces of paper to stick under there with various abstract patterns. A friend of mine had one & swapped the decoration almost daily, since it was just paper.

lyra (lyra), Thursday, 5 February 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
The remedy? Colorware

Mary (Mary), Friday, 20 February 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Another Genuis Bar Detractor: "A Thin Line Between Apple’s ‘Genius Bar’ and Insanity" by Glenn O'Brien in the New York Observer -- http://www.observer.com/index_go.html

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 08:01 (twenty-one years ago)

nine months pass...
Im going to mod my old computer with a 16" woofer as a side panel, a smoke-machine coming out of one of the drive bays, and a bunch of strobe lights and LAZORS. Its going to be the ultimate rave computer.

Did this ever happen???

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)


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