Fancy your teacher?

I'd be more worried if someone here never fancied a teacher of theirs.

Oddly enough, he shared a classroom with another teacher I was slightly enchanted with. (Again, he never functioned as one of my teachers.) He sort of looked like Uncle Floyd, only not as hep. I liked him for his Italo-American accent; plus, he had a cute nose and a big butt. I'm making him sound sexier than he really was, which, yes, isn't terribly sexy-sounding. Truth be told, I paying much more attention to guys my own age, but this was the closest thing to puppy love I ever had for a teacher. (I'm assuming assistant principals don't count.)

A tangential issue: I could never understand why so many high-school teachers of mine seemed to be comfortable wearing fashions and hairstyles that were current ten-to-twenty years prior. I don't think the low pay entirely explained it.

i had a crush on my Film 202 lecturer. she was so smart and she had a poster of wonder woman in her office.

i had a crush on my Film 202 tutor too because he had hairy brown forearms and he was on-to-it and i would make him blush.

i think all of these people were aware of my desire. not because i said anything overt but because i would blush and smile flirtatiously.

i have never fucked a teacher and i never would. i would be disgusted with a teacher who tried to fuck me. it would make me wonder "does he/she do this all the time?" probably.

He saw me at university a few years ago and asked me on a date. It was my dream come true but I panicked afterwards and rang up and cancelled, his wife answered and laughed.

When I was a tutor a couple of my students asked me out. But there was one (very straight) boy with weird shining eyes who used to sit at the back and he handed in answers to assignments that bore no relation to the questions and said things like 'I do not like you if you do not like me. I like you if you are like me.' etc. But much more strange. I would always give him 51 % without showing the other tutors because his learning difficulty answers were so good! He dropped out and I was walking past the tennis courts on Stuart St and he was playing tennis with his friends. He ran out and asked me out and I said no, but I should have said yes of course!

-- The admiring Joe, whose surname I shall not disclose for fear I will be found out.

-- Brian MacDonald (brian...), October 17th, 2001.

I know you probably aren't soliciting me because of what Ned posted, but curiously enough, I'm a UC undergrad alum and later became a TA at a different UC.

Yeah, I fancied several of my TAs and had some crushes as early as kindergarten (my middle-aged teacher wasn't that hot, but her lacey camisoles and bra cleavage peeking out through her blouses were). Never acted on it because I was sure the attraction was all one-sided.

The exception is my high school English teacher. There's was always a frisson of sexual attraction, but nothing really came of it. My teacher was careful, though a terrible flirt and extraordinarily generous with me.

Then I became a teacher, and I found the whole notion of teacher-student romances highly disquieting and quite impossible for me to countenance in my own life. The huge power imbalance glossed over by murky notions of collegiality and romance is what disgusts me the most.

The department at my graduate institution was especially repellent. I'm not going to get into it here, but it appeared clear to me that fucking senior faculty (in powerful administrative positions) led to major professional and academic privileges.

I felt equally disturbed when students displayed obvious though very sweet crushes on me. Intelligence is sexy to me, and I always thought the "per-fesser" on Gilligan's Island was hot. But when it comes to being the object of such a crush in an academic setting, I can't flee fast enough. Happily, I can't imagine ever being romantically attracted to any of my students; I teach remedial courses at community college. I think even if I were teaching students who were incredibly bright and thus sexy as hell, I just couldn't be attracted to someone younger and in a vulnerable position relative to me.

Some of them look pretty damned amazing, with their drum-tight bums and that. They know it too...The teacher/pupil power thing is used far more by students than by teachers.

Would I have a do? erm...no. But there have been a couple of interesting nights out recently where I could have taken things further. It's just not right, no matter how tempting.

great musical instructor tho.

They call me "Mr. Loose Shoes"

This a teacher from my high school who has a similar thing

this whole 15yr old girl running away w/ teacher thing is kinda overplayed right

like....it happens, it's unfortunate, but the sadsack cunt isn't going to murder her or w/e

not really the point is it

the ridculous amount of coverage is wholly incommensurate to the harm involved

We don't actually know what the harm involved is.

don't like to be cynical but one might almost think the press had some kind of prurient interest in this kind of "scandal"

The harm is that she is away from her home and her parents. xp

But yeah it's not hard to see why the press wet themselves at the story, especially if it's going to take a while to play out.

there's nothing contrived about pretending 15 year olds are feckless ingenues in need of fatherly protection at all times

only disappointed it's not a female teacher/male child which as we all know is basically hilarious and not at all the same

feel so bad for the parents of this girl, they only have less than a year left of their god given rights to determine every aspect of their daughter's life

she's away from home, away from school, they don't know where she is or what she is doing. can you not understand that a parent might be concerned about that? or are they supposed to just say "oh she'll be fine, let her do her own thing"

they ought to be concerned but in the absence of any apparent serious risk to her, there is no reason for every unrelated prurient idiot in the world to be concerned

but she's the only fifteen year-old girl in the country missing from home, of course this is going to be national news

we are a nation of caring about the kiddies, after all

i mean unless they're feral dolescum or something, in which case birch them

hey now she has been stolen abroad, i mean it would be one thing if she was just going back for an arranged marriage or a bit of fgm like the ethnics do but this is a native born caucasian we're talking about

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/our-children-are-missing-most-vulnerable-youngsters-are-targeted-793496.html

complaining abt prurient press coverage is all very well but risks trivialising the seriousness of what this bloke has done

he's a wrong'un but one can scarcely justify this story because of his moral turpitude when probably thousands of underage girls from less leafy postcodes are raped and pimped out etc etc all the time

although as jack straw reminds us, we ought to be concerned about that when the perpetrators are from blakburnistan or rotherhamabad

jack straw is not a racist cunt iirc

oh, come off it - the fact that worse crimes are also happening isn't a reason not to write about it.

the public discourse around the introduction of the statutory age of consent in the late 19th century consisted of a lot of hyperbolic moral panic about british girls being trafficked (avant la lettre) to france and belgium to work in brothels

honest homegrown child prostitution had previously been thought of as tolerable, i suppose

Apparently, she texted her friend to say "Have arrived in France safely"

Which means she's in Holland, I reckons.

Dion Boucicault's Taken was tremendously popular in the late Victorian theatre iirc

no-one's going to be like "oh this girl was only pimped out, it could have been worse, she might have had a teacher take advantage of his position of power and responsibility and run away with her"

the moral condemnation of the press isn't zero-sum, surely if we know anything we know that.

the suggestion is that this story's prominence is not predicated on the seriousness of offence or harm, not that press inches should be afforded in exact proportion to suffering or culpability

i think the argument is that the news coverage of this story tells us very little about the people involved - necessarily so - and a lot about societal disempowering of young people, the frisson of polite sexual scandal and the Pavlovian inevitability of some oft-repeated moral panics.

so tell us how much coverage do you think it merits

xp

also the usual guff about class.

it's probly tautologically tedious to keep flagging this stuff and picking at its grubby seams but as long as the public discourse wants to keep chewing the same cud there's a job to be done

not sure merit has anything to do with news agenda

Guys:

This is a story where the underlying implication is:

"This girl is nice, and well behaved. This could happen to you, wrt your daughter! You need to know this tale. Send in your sympathetic reactions to the letters page (and a blog of your choice).. NOW!"

Feel like we're thinking about this too deeply. Hope they catch the guy. Hope the girl turns up alright.

lol teacher looks about 17.

need a couple of shots of coffee to work Jack Whitehall into this and call for his public bunning

teacher is obviously some reddit reading brony bawbag

to say that this man is totally out of order and that the parents are right to want her back is not to be on the side of "societal disempowering of young people"

it is talking as if the young woman involved in the case is a voiceless object tho

But don't you get it anagram, 15-year-olds should be able to do what they want.

clearly i favour societal empowering of young people which means i think this is totally in order and the parents are wrong to want her back

the argument here is basically "is the news coverage disproportionate and are the reasons for that tangential to the actual events?" not "is it cool to run off with yr pupils?"

woah steady on with the nuance dude

can't let nuances fuck with our precious daughters

sorry.

BUN THE BAD MAN

think i saw a nuance escaping there

Only in England...

maybe tho, in the same way that people mistakenly think i am advocating the abduction-in-law of young people, i am mistaken in thinking they believe that the news coverage is proportionate and a public service

I could care less about the news coverage, I just hope she goes home

whatever happened to having gratitude that a teacher - a respectable sort of professional - fancies your child and wants to give them a better life? must we assume that everyone has lascivious intentions?

abduction-in-law

or just "abduction"!

so, Jack Whitehall, is he using a BBC3 "comedy" vehicle to groom minors y/n?

whatever happened to having gratitude that a teacher - a respectable sort of professional - fancies your child and wants to give them a better life? must we assume that everyone has lascivious intentions?

Also its easier for young people to get on the property ladder in France.

xxp

sorry to drag nuance into it again but i was distinguishing between "abduction" as the forcible kidnapping of a victim against their will and something that involves a likely willing person, albeit one who may have been psychologically manipulated and is not acting in their own best interests. sorry again.

no, but his role in giving her a better life is supposed to be limited to the classroom. he doesn't get to take it any further than that.

xp to Mordy

he can give her better instruction abroad, culture + museums + private tours and such

what sort of better life can anybody have in a classroom? comfier chair? less boring lessons?

Also its easier for young people to get on the property ladder in France.

better diet.

surely any definition of a better life has to begin outside the confines of our repressive educational system

i don't know how it works in the uk, but having a teacher take your child to different countries in europe is an expensive affair in the united states!

no british teacher is going to provide a substantial dowry

qualifications?

anyway the point is, he and she don't get to make those decisions together w/o the parents' consent

BECAUSE SHE BELONGS TO THE PARENTS, DAMMIT

yes.

well she's 15, so yes

They should make it illegal for teachers to take 15 year old pupils and take them out of the country and then not bring them back.

sometimes you just throw the bait out all unexpectant, like

oh, this is just a tort case. i agree - the teacher should pay value back to the parents so they can put this mess behind them.

this thread will end well

it will end with me tearfully returning to mom and dad and getting grounded for 3 months

the guy really needs his head examined, tbf. he's going to be lynched by mad-eyed villagers when he returns.

no, but his role in giving her a better life is supposed to be limited to the classroom. he doesn't get to take it any further than that.

xp to Mordy

― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, September 25, 2012 1:08 PM (11 minutes ago)

the big society is all about public service going beyond mere contractual duty and towards a more thoroughgoing sense of improving the wellbeing of others

welfare is not welfarism

what are you talking about?

i think he's saying that the classroom is no place for proper instruction

who the fuck are you? come back when you have read 'red tory' by philip blond and are qualified to contribute to this learned discussion

school of life, old boy, the Grand Tour, learning a language, exploring other cultures

This would never have happened under the shackles of local authority control.

he'd never've got a job in a grammar school with that beard

when trying to teach a new language through time honored technique of taping flashcards to objects, you find many pieces of furniture in a hotel room that you don't get in a classroom: bed, television set, room service, whatever the word is for those big wall-sized windows that let in the dutch sunrise

Unique to specialist residential colleges, the extended curriculum enables you to develop your social and independence skills.

Residential, sports and leisure staff will support you in the evenings and at weekends in a range of interesting and enjoyable activities.

not that any of this discounts the fact that you get a better, more dedicated, more polymorphously perverse class of ephebophile schoolteachers at britain's great public schools

Residential, sports and leisure staff will support you in the evenings and at weekends in a range of interesting and enjoyable activities.

aka your teacher will guide you up the stairs to bed

I like the fact that the news keeps showing clips of him singing. Maybe this is an elaborate promo stunt for his act?

are we back on Jack Whitehall again?

i haven't seen any clips of him singing :(

is like that frank turner dude, or plan b

yeah, every news bulletin. His youtube account must be bringing in the ad-hits a plenty

oh god this fucking degenerate

leery sensitive bros w/ acoustic guitars are pretty much 97% rapists

i guess as a statutory rapist this one is towards the more anodyne end of that spectrum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9dvGE13OLM

influenced by everything and everyone, here are are some of the bands/artists that I love: Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Alkaline Trio, Muse, Ben Kweller, Kenickie, Otis Redding, Idlewild, Everclear, My Chemical Romance, Blur, Bright Eyes, Jimmy Eat World, Guns & Roses, Jack's Mannequin, Taking Back Sunday, Weezer, Death Cab for Cutie, Panic! at the Disco, Glassjaw, Feeder, 3 Colours Red, Johnny Cash, Pavement, Dashboard Confessional, NIN, Counting Crows, Juliana Hatfield, Blind Melon, the Pixies, Seafood, the Kooks, Aerosmith, Hundred Reasons, Gallows, Hellogoodbye, REM, Green Day, Super Furry Animals, Fall Out Boy, Silverchair, the Wildhearts, the Cure, Elliott Smith, Sebadoh, QOSA, Hot Water Music, Sleater Kinney, Red House Painters, Placebo, Regina Spektor, the Rocket Summer, Something Corporate, Afghan Whigs, Biffy Clyro, Emanuel, the Strokes, Bush, Dave Melillo, Get cape wear cape fly, Ian Love, AFI, the Subways, Bob Dylan, Foo Fighters, Jenny Lewis, Brand New, Ash, Silversun, Radiohead, My Vitriol, the Lemonheads, Screaming Trees, Pearl Jam, Cave In, Damien Rice, Paramore, Blink 182, Alice in Chains, the Bronx, Head Automatica, the Promise Ring, Jeff Buckley, the Replacements, Frightened Rabbit, Fairport Convention, Jamie T

oh noes your daughter's been abducted by ke$ha

You can tell he agonised over the placing of Otis Redding there.

is that the longest favourites list ever w/ no black ppl in it

influenced by everything and everyone

oh lol i missed that

It's like you just refuse to read the lines between Kenickie and Idlewild.

it's like it's a boast to be influenced by more things than the next child stealer

my vitriol occupy a special place in the hearts of thirtysomething statutory rapists across the home counties and beyond

ending on a dizzying high with 'jamie t'.

I hope they just print this whole list on the front of tomorrow's Daily Mail with HOW DID THEY NOT KNOW??? in big letters at the top.

Dude should've had some explaining to do when his pupils found out he was into Paramore.

did he really sing "I'm tired of this filthy game"?

if he did then that was a lie

i think the lyric was "i want to escalate this filthy game"

also why is there is a musical act out there called "Get cape wear cape fly"

isn't one of the rules of music that your audience will rise up and dismember you if you step onstage with a name that terrible

"get cape wear cape abduct teenager" wasn't as catchy

I'm not sure he got the point of Sleater Kinney either.

Didn't they sing "Hot for Teacher"?

confirms what we expected of kenickie fans, eh DG?

yuk what a horrible list. wtf are Fairport Convention doing in there

Hello Jeremy Forrest/Ayre, if you are allowed online when you are prison and you have found us here, perhaps you could volunteer to run a 90s/00s rock poll based on your influences?

It'll while away the time. You won't be allowed to write to her.

it's not surprising that every act in that list I didn't recognize that I've looked up has turned out to be a sub-James Blunt shitsack

i was going to do a poll of fin de siecle indie chancers a while ago

absence of jj72 in this list, despite gamine female bassist, affirms that they are the one dickensian scamp to be saved from the workhouse

haha i remember you chatting to me about that

BTW do I have the details of this story correct; average 15-year-old girl who rarely gets into trouble suddenly disappears along with her 30-year-old teacher, presumably to France where an alleged text from her claims to have arrived safely?

Has it actually been confirmed that the two of them left the country together?

is this like the Nurse With Wound list refactored for clueless indie types, complete with one or two fake band names added for the lolz (my money's on "fall out boy")

xp

I think some pictures of them on a cross-channel ferry have been released.

nww list had an even lower proportion of black ppl iirc

absence of jj72 in this list, despite gamine female bassist, affirms that they are the one dickensian scamp to be saved from the workhouse

Unless he was actually in JJ72.

excuse me, they're irish, and in our country we leave the paedophilia to the priests who are employed to do it.

It's that kind of protectionism that shows why you're such a dominant economic power.

wait these two got together on a school trip to LA?

in my day

lucky to go to twycross zoo,ironbridge etc etc

i guess the kids who can't afford los angeles get to go to the local historical salt mine or what have you

i bet they don't even let the chimps have tea parties at Twycross nowadays, political correctness gone mad etc

Ah, Ironbridge. It was West Midlands Safari Park not Twycross for us though.

Megan had drawn up an online Bucket List – a compilation of goals someone wants to achieve before they die – in which she crossed out "fall in love" and "have someone write a song about me".

The list of 50 things she wants to do before she dies also revealed her hopes to write a book, fly in a hot air balloon, meet singer Lana Del Rey, go to Glastonbury festival – and get married.

She has got a song called 'Lolita' tbf.

Also let's dispatch the RAF to apprehend any and all hot air balloons.

let's disabuse our children of this idiocy before they reach puberty, could do a class alongside sex ed

ignore me i'm old and bitter

I've just looked at the actual bucket list and 'Have someone write a song about me' is crossed out. The horror.

.. because 'someone' has written a song about her. (sorry, being a bit slow)

OH FFS ITS STARTED
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/9/26/195226/default/v1/mirror-1-329x437.jpg

what a shitty tattoo

Get Teenager Wear Teenager Flee.

Has he got an adolescent 'tache?

That is so so so far down the list of creepy Nirvana lyrics you could have tattooed on your arm if you were planning to run off with a teenager.

TATTOO CREEPY

Know How Tattoo Feel

VIDEO NASTY
TATTOO CREEPY

NEGATIVE CREEPY

MR MOUSTACHE

When he's caught he can get a tattoo that reads 'Won't you believe it? It's just my luck.'

Jesus doesn't want me for a supply teacher

The press this morning were all very "she will be crying and missing her family because of this strange man"

um, she might also be having fun...

(definition of fun = whatever you decide it might be)

Fun is the one thing that money can't buy #beatles

I would imagine whatever they were doing would stop being fun once they looked at the internet and realised they were a massive national news story and this 15 year old girl was on the front of every paper and his life and career were in ruins.

maybe he started out thinking that this kind of thing happens all the time, and you just don't hear about it because really it's nbd.

lol

Matt, that's why I try never to look at the internet when on holiday.

Yeah, you wanna be away from the news and stuff when you're out on a romantic break.

Especially when they're chasing you.

no, let's not turn on the telly darling. This is us time.

It's 'us time' on the tele, too, probably.

I'm not British, should I read the Daily Mirror more often? American tabloids are so boring! Same celebrities every week. Lately I only look at them for the clothes and news on new movies and tv. Or someone's chili recipe.

But they are in France (prob)

French TV are seemingly nmp about it.

Also the internet's all in French.

Over there they call it le goog

Île-de-ILE

NICKED

look forward to his Live at San Quentin vid

http://jeremyayremusic.com/2012/05/19/you-hit-me-just-like-heroin/

The last two weeks have been pretty intense, in both a good and a bad way!!!

I’ll touch on the bad, although it will have to be a bit vague to be public-ally digestible, but have lots of positive music related shit to shoot…

About a week ago I had a bit of a moral dilemma to deal with, both internally and externally. And the overiding question it left me with was this;

How do we, and how should we, define what is right or wrong, acceptable or unacceptable???

I came to a few different conclusions, mainly that actually we get a lot of things wrong, but at the end of the day I was satisfied that if you can look yourself in the mirror and know that, under all the front, that you are a good person, that should have faith in your own judgement. That’s some philosophical gold for you there!!!

These thoughts coincided with a night out with my little brother and his girlfriend to see the mighty Alkaline Trio at the Electric Ballroom, Camden.

The gig, even by their standards, was awesome! From the moment they opened with ‘We’ve Had Enough’, it was great song after great song.

The last two weeks have been pretty intense, in both a good and a bad way!!!

After some meagre consideration I decided to abduct a child!

Alkaline Trio rock!

tbf that's a few months old, you mean 'after some meagre consideration i decided to commit the conjugal act with a child, alkaline trio rock'

I came to a few different conclusions, mainly that actually we get a lot of things wrong, but at the end of the day I was satisfied that if you can look yourself in the mirror and know that, under all the front, that you are a good person, that should have faith in your own judgement.

Maybe that was not such a good idea.

i'd do a "what's on your ipad" but it's not like they're ever funny

at the end of the day who can really say who abducted whose child? aren't we all abducted in a way... in a very real way?

something to ponder.

still think if there's no duct tape and no chloroform it's not abduction

abDUCTion

it's in the name, right?

wait a second
let me get this straight

a creepy teacher tattoos "sick Nirvana lyrics" onto himself because he is in love with a student
he has a blog in which he reassures himself that he is a good person and cheers for the alkaline trio
he has been accused of abduction
this is tabloid news in the uk

am i missing something?

It's more 'teacher abducts student' -> everything else follows.

xpost

missing the visit to france element that pushes the whole thing over into 'well fancy that' by the funboy three territory

pretty sure it's 30 year old teacher liking the alkaline trio and kenickie -> everything else follows

no, this was a major news story of international importance and this Moriarty of childnapping would never ever have been seen again were it not for our press

bordeaux is a bit leftfield for a weekend break

i know jonathan meades reps for it but really it's a bit provincial no?

altho yeah i think maybe some kind of musical Voight-Kampff test for aspiring teachers might be in order

ban alk3

lot of nice beaches within easy reach of Bordeaux, don't know what the local schools are like

So, the first real post…

Trying to enter the 21st century by 1) getting an iphone 2) starting and, more importantly, maintaining a website.

The second has only been possible because of my much cleverer better half, but it’s here now and I am going do my best to make it work!!!

Music then. I love music more than I love anything in the world. Listening to it, playing it, writing it and talking about it. That is the whole point of this blog thing. I want to not only promote what I do as a musician, but also share and discuss the bands that I am listening to and hopefully pass on a bit of my passion!

I am also a bit of geek, so do expect a few book rants or the occasional Nintendo related post, but I promise to try and stay clear of the maths…

That’s it for now, but here’s a little treat. A great band and a great song. Take it easy and speak to you soon!!!

Jeremy

He forgot 3) Abducting a teenager

if this kid passes her French GCSE now this won't have been in vain

wonder if you're allowed guitars on nonce wing?

still think if there's no duct tape and no chloroform it's not abduction

yeah but that's not how the law sees it. wiki sez:

Child abduction or child theft is the unauthorized removal of a minor (a child under the age of legal adulthood) from the custody of the child's natural parents or legally appointed guardians.

the key word being "unauthorized"

wait, he did or did not abduct a student he was obsessed with? is that still up for debate? are they both still at large? alive?

She seemingly left with him voluntarily and they went on the run together

Both were picked up by French police today, and he's been arrested

yes, he abducted her

they have both been found in France and he is under arrest

xp

much ado about noncing really

Aha, got it.

Thank you.
Every tabloid story should come with a 4-5 sentence summary.

they may consider themselves to be in love, obv this is hugely unprofessional and crepey on his part, the rest is as Nick just described it

they may consider themselves to be in love, obv this is hugely unprofessional and crepey a criminal offence on his part

fixed

i'm not gonna enquire and i'll leave it here but you seem to be taking this unbelievably personally

i thought the french were refusing to arrest

Music then. I love music more than I love anything in the world. Listening to it, playing it, writing it and talking about it. That is the whole point of this blog thing. I want to not only promote what I do as a musician, but also share and discuss the bands that I am listening to and hopefully pass on a bit of my passion!

well at least we got a new ilm board description out of this tragedy.

xp

European arrest warrant i don't think they've a lot of choice

My only observation is that this guy has a shockingly low filter on his interior thoughts.

On a relatively serious note, much as I tend to believe that 15 year olds are autonomous agents and not tiny wee children who are property of their parents, any semblance of maturity that you have on your side kind of goes out the window when you don't have the sense to wait for one single year before doing this sort of crap.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRC3f-PX7mR9au6NG8PkMOLCRDvwm8Og9Hb0dV0nbbNR3UaRXjJ_A

haven't heard a peep about this in france btw

Unless they have changed the law recently, they would have had to have waited for three years. She might be one year away from the general age of consent but the laws on abuse of power in relation to sexual offences make it illegal for teachers to sleep with any pupils under the the age of 18, iirc.

It's difficult. The school appears to have a track record in this area and the previous cases supposedly weren't taken particularly seriously because the victims were considered 'willing participants'. To whatever extent that might be true, the rules about people in positions of power not getting involved with the people they have power over are there for a reason.

From his blog it looks like Jeremy is American and moved here when he was 13. It also seems as if he hasn't really aged emotionally since then. His wife has made her blog private. Poor woman.

She might be one year away from the general age of consent but the laws on abuse of power in relation to sexual offences make it illegal for teachers to sleep with any pupils under the the age of 18, iirc.

Wouldn't she not be his pupil post-GCSEs, though? I mean, I guess if she stayed on at their 6th form she'd still be counted as such, but that would almost as stupid as thinking running off to start a new life in France would be a great idea... ah, yes.

Or do you mean that it is as strict as a teacher from Edinburgh can't sleep with a 17-year old pupil from Cornwall? Because that would be a bit strange.

*almost BE as stupid

It shouldn't matter if the teacher in question is the youth's instructor or not.

Even if they don't teach/attend the same schools?

So if a 21-year old guy who happened to be a teacher in Scotland went clubbing in Cornwall and slept with someone who later turned out to be 17 and attending a Sixth Form college, you'd think they should be imprisoned/put on a sex offender's register?

the rules about people in positions of power not getting involved with the people they have power over are there for a reason.

This is true, though. I'd still have dodgy feelings about this relationship even if they'd waited for the post-teacher/pupil instantiation, simply because remnants of that power dynamic would surely remain. However, it would show a clarity of thought and a maturity of action that attempting to elope really did not. Also: UH, don't hold hands with yr pupils on school trips if you don't want to be found out, dickface.

yeah, i keep switching between

i. this is an abuse of power, and should be considered thus, but
ii. his pupil is herself a person and to call it an abduction is a little off, however
iii. absolutely everyone involved in the situation seems catastrophically stupid

If a 17-year-old's in college, they wouldn't be under a 21-year-old schoolteacher's authority anyway, right?

As i understand it, if they're at the same institution, it wouldn't matter if he was teaching her or not. If they were at different institutions and had started a relationship, it would not be illegal as long as she was over 16. I don't know what the law is if they were at the same institution but one left before instigating the relationship.

It shouldn't matter if the teacher in question is the youth's instructor or not.

― how's life, Saturday, September 29, 2012 3:21 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If a 17-year-old's in college, they wouldn't be under a 21-year-old schoolteacher's authority anyway, right?

― how's life, Saturday, September 29, 2012 3:36 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not sure how these statements work together.

I wouldn't rely on most 15 year olds to make sensible life decisions when faced with highly emotional situations, including my 15 year old self.

The teacher is unbelievably stupid, obviously.

How's life, are you American? That might explain the misunderstanding. In the UK, 6th form colleges are usually (though not always) a department of secondary schools. So any teacher at a secondary school could theoretically have authority over any pupil who attends sixth form.

The teacher doesn't have any authority if they haven't been at the same institution at the same time, as far as I can see.

Well yes, that's what I was saying. But how's life was claiming that it shouldn't matter if the teacher in question is the youth's instructor or not. Which is what I was questioning.

Oh. I did not get that. Look, I don't honestly give a fuck if some 21-year-old fucks some 17-year-old, as long as the kid isn't being coerced.

I had a drama teacher who used to call our house at night and hang up. We knew it was him. In school he'd always focus his attention on some "hot" blonde (10 year old) like "bitch, I'm not looking at you". He used to suddenly "show up" when my family and I were out to dinner and stuff. I think my dad called him and threatened to beat his ass. He was "relocated" under mysterious circumstances.

I would NEVER think that way about a teacher even as an adult, I've seen what it does to girls. Usually because they don't have a strong male role model in their life.

Basically thomp hit the nail on the head with these three:

i. this is an abuse of power, and should be considered thus, but
ii. his pupil is herself a person and to call it an abduction is a little off, however
iii. absolutely everyone involved in the situation seems catastrophically stupid

The thing about number two is that the press have really gone crazy over their phrasing, like, she has "returned safe and well after abduction ordeal". She wasn't kidnapped, THEY RAN AWAY TOGETHER. Yes, he abused his position of power, yes, there may well have been statutory rape involved, and yes, these things should be considered in the story (if you insist that it is particularly newsworthy). But she was 'found' strolling along a fucking Bordeaux boulevard with her beau, she wasn't cowering in a hole somewhere weeping.

ugh Mount Cleaners, that reminds me of this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/aug/10/my-teacher-fell-in-love-with-me

The thing about number two is that the press have really gone crazy over their phrasing, like, she has "returned safe and well after abduction ordeal". She wasn't kidnapped, THEY RAN AWAY TOGETHER

yeah this was covered upthread, there is a legal definition of abduction which this falls squarely into. if a child under the age of consent leaves home with someone else without the parents' consent then that constitutes abduction in the eyes of the law

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Anagram, my point wasn't particularly standing against the legal definitions there, my point was more about the "ordeal" aspect that I have seen constantly emphasised by the press. As you may have been able to pick up if you'd actually bothered reading the discussion.

I have read it, and contributed to it

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press have described it as an "ordeal" for her family but not for her afaict

how stupid is this prick?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210734/Megan-Stammers-Read-Jeremy-Forrests-fake-CV-French-bar-work-Bordeaux.html

also lol at the music journalism stuff

I went to that uni! And our GCSE results are VERY similar! And I did write freelance music journalism! AND my wife is always getting ID'd buying booze! Is he trying t steal my identity?

short of you having a teenage daughter, he'll settle for your identity

sick mouthy is a bit too fond of the old electropop for that to work iirc

what about otis redding?

Wonder if 'Francis Dean' was inspired by 'Frances Bean'?

this just became the story of the year

(Story Of The Year are a terrible band this guy probably likes!)

man that was really calling out for a 'name of my dog' finish tbh

Just had a lengthy conversation / argument about this with the missus, apparently this kind of thing (the affair rather than abduction) is legal in Japan and he wouldn't even have been arrested. Maybe he should have gone there instead?

maybe he should have gone to japan if he likes adolescent sex so much?

The national age of consent in Japan is 13 as specified by the Japanese Penal Code Articles 176 and 177.[33][dead link] However, prefectures can have ordinances that prohibit sexual activities with any minor under 18.[34]

So, 5½ years then:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23004956

The schoolgirl who ran away to France with jailed Jeremy Forrest has found love with another teacher, it was reported today.

The girl was aged just 15 when she sparked an international manhunt after eloping with maths teacher Forrest, 31, who is currently serving a five-and-a-half-year sentence for abducting her.

But she is now said to be 'ridiculously happy' after falling for a 20-year-old PE teaching assistant and part-time security guard.

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