Dido - c/d?

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Obviously this question has been debated in the past, but now she's not the exciting new chanteuse du lowest common denominator but an established artiste who's moved well beyond bete noire status, what do people actually think of her and her ilk nowadays? And what she represents?

(stimulated by an argument with the ultra-reasonable and invincible Jonnie in the pub last night - I want to see if others can put my rage into perspective and/or better words)

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

new single shit, last one tolerable.

all the nasty cliches abt chardonnay-swilling chick-lit fans liking ver 'do are true, IME. and you can't argue with experience.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I like her new album. I'm 34.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Her constant attempts to be 'controversial' just seem so forced.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Dido attempts to be controversial?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

She was a very reasonable queen too.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

controversially dull

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahaha! are you on crack, sir?

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

actually i don't find her nearly as dull as some people do. but then i also listen to beautiful south and feeder records

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

She couldn't look more bland if she planed off all her facial features. This makes me dislike her all the more.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

much as i would love to take some sort of contrarian pro-dido stance here, i really can't be arsed, she's dulldulldull...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

It's amazing how few of her songs I can actually think of - there's White Flag, and Here With Me, and the one sampled on Stan.

I can completely understand why millions of people like her, it's the unthreatening niceness, the complete lack of purpose other than "please like me" which also winds so many people up. I don't understand why she enrages people so much (see also Coldplay or Travis or whoever).

I find it strange that there are Dido haterz who would be willing to defend Will Young's recent output. They're the same thing, surely?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, originality alone does not constitute genius, so I'd say dud also.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there no-one who wants to rant?

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the point? Why does this bother you?

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

In a way, she's a bit like Belle and Sebastian...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2004 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i admire mark at k-punk for finding some positive things to say about her - scroll down a bit, it's somewhere in the january archive.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 6 February 2004 11:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, what's to rant about? Posh bird sings dull songs. End of. Even my mum, an admirer of 'No Angel', thinks she'd bawrin now. I actually think 'White Flag' (song) better than anything on the new Strokes LP, ie, although I'd never buy either, I'm more likely to touch that radio dial if the Strokes come on than if Dido comes on.

How is she like B&S?!

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:01 (twenty-two years ago)

oh matt, you card.

(enrique, he's just trying to get a rise out of Mark)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I spose she's an emotional comfort blanket same way B&S are, but for a different, less consciously 'outsider' demographic. (I like old-B&S, sorta.)

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

She has a pretty face, a funny talking voice and a pretty good singing voice. I liked it on the Faithless stuff. Of course I think her stuff is pretty dreary most of the time now but still feel like saying classic because a) look how much money she's made! b) 'Stan' was fantastic the first time I heard it and c) i think my Mum likes her

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)

must be freudian that i said 'pretty' three times there

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

aye, buffness counts 'for'. i dunno that earning money a classic makes though.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

The hidden track on the second CD is unexpectastic.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I like my music HARD and DARK, like my fucking soul.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

the last time i took an interest in her was within a faithless album and even it's been relegated to the kicking-round-the-floor scratched-to-buggery part of my CD collection these days.

― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

The hidden track is a cover of Grindin', Enrique.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree that it seems daft to call Dido dull/bland and Will Young not

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

For serious? Any good?

xposty

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Simon Amstell on Popworld described her as 'the easy listening witch'.

I don't think she's either C or D. Perhaps there should be a category for stuff that isn't good enough to be classic or offensive enough to be marked dud, stuff that just makes no impact either way. A third way: bland.

Frou Frou = Dido's younger, slightly more adventurous sister.

― Alfie (Alfie), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

literally?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahaha! a girl i'd like to meet.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

No, no - the girl out of Frou Frou is called Imogen Heap - if she were Dido's sister then she'd be called Rubdowns Himalaya Lushest Batman Armstrong.

― Alfie (Alfie), Friday, 6 February 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

ok i like dido hehe even if u dont haha

― Emma williams (Emma williams), Friday, 6 February 2004 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

of course the best thing about dido is her brother being heir to the albanian throne...

it must be true pete told me, eh matt?

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 6 February 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

She's okay, wouldn't buy her albums, doesn't anger me in any shape or form. I find Jamie Callum and this new jazz singer thing to be way more irksome.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 6 February 2004 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

How about JOSS STONE????

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The video with blubbery Boreanz is classic because I find it hysterically funny that she's supposed to be pining over this hobo-looking schlump.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 6 February 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha Nicole, I am now imagining Dido singing "Rosa Parks"!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

That Dido video with Angle is like the second best video of all time, it works on so many levels. I saw Joss Stone's video today, but the sound was turned off.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 6 February 2004 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The best video of all time being that Dru Hill one about a fire, it's pretty sad :(

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 6 February 2004 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.totallydavidboreanazuk.com/MiscPics/Dido/Dido-006.jpg

Hobo!

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 6 February 2004 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

he's so stylish!

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 6 February 2004 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't been drinking.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 6 February 2004 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I quite like Dido except for that song 'I Want to Be a Hunter Again' because it makes her sound sexually predatory.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 7 February 2004 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

She makes Everything But the Girl sound like Throbbing Gristle.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 February 2004 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember that there was a double bill of her and Travis that packed out a local arena near here. Insomniacs were the audience, I guess.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 February 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm a sometime insomniac and there's no way in hell I'd go unless there was a chance of a stage invasion!

― Barima (Barima), Saturday, 7 February 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I kinda liked the Insomniacs but why would they be at a Travisido show?

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 7 February 2004 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, they had this one good single on Estrus.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 7 February 2004 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

My wife is quite keen on her singles....which thus receive a worrying amount of airplay Chez in NYC....much to my grumblingly restrained chagrin.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

hey that pic of Angel looks kinda like Alex!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

he's wearing a hat and everything!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I woudl never wear a hat like that.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 February 2004 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps you should.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Sunday, 8 February 2004 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

What PJ Miller said.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 8 February 2004 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique likes his music like he likes his cocks.

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Dido is great and bless her little funny way when she goes in and out of falsetto, and she sounds so dumb when she goes "the tea's gone cold i'm wondering why-aye-aye" i want to give her a hug.

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 8 February 2004 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)

who knew she was a Tyne lass?

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 8 February 2004 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

was she ever in Byker Grove?

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 8 February 2004 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique likes his music like he likes his cocks.

STEP OFF while you still have legs, muthafuck.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Dido is the Phil Collins of bland pop songs, but with tits. And more hair.

― C J (C J), Monday, 9 February 2004 09:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd say Phil Collins is bigger chested.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

From my 'experience' of working in a big rec shop, as many men as "chardonnay-swilling chick-lit fans" buy Dido albs.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 9 February 2004 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I bought 'No Angel' -- for my mum.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 10:17 (twenty-two years ago)

but copied it before giving it her, natch

― chris (chris), Monday, 9 February 2004 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Not that men can't be "chardonnay-swilling Chick-lit" fans, obv

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 9 February 2004 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Alang to thread!

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

A dido thread really fits on ile.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I think music threads are starting up here since ILM has big unwieldy warning signs like on a 15-year-old boy's bedroom door at wanking hour.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

no there is always an odd music thread started here bcz some ppl are 'scared'. I'm not too surprised that barry 'hardman' lasagne started it.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:11 (twenty-two years ago)

If you look at the thread it's not strictly a music thread, it came about from an argumenent that Internet hardman Barry lasagne had in the pub based around Dido that questioned the assumptions you can make about a person if you have limited knopwledge of them ie "they like the new Dido album"

― chris (chris), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio, ppl are right to be scared, it's a fucking freak-fest out there on ILM.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

ooga booga

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I was thinking about this over the weekend and was wondering whether, if you mapped all the chart-friendly female singers, Dido would appear in the middle, the bland spot. I don't know what to label the axes but here's the idea:

http://ilxor.petfield.com/images/bland_graph.gif

― Alfie (Alfie), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Interesting... where does Ms Dynamite fit on that?

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you including the jazz-lite laydeez on this graph, then? Where does Amy ~~Nelly Furtado~~ Winehouse sit on this bitch?

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Katie Melua should be on the opposite side, between Dido and Eva. I'd add Delta Goodrem just above Amy Studt and to the right. I guess POP is the top left corner, AOR the top right, jazz the low right and YOR the low left?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Winehouse would probably be below Norah Jones but nearer Frou Frou?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio, Chris is OTM, but for what it's worth I'd be very tempted to start a music thread on ILE because a) most of the people I like and respect are on here and b) I'm sure anything and everything that could possibly be said about an artist has already been said on ILM and I'd rather avoid either crushing condescension or a series of snippy "look at this thread" answers.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

A male version of this would be interesting. Please plot:

Will Young
Craig David
Daniel Bedingfield
Lemar
David Gray
Gary Jules

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Phil Collins is dead centre, obviously, with David Gray a little to the left. Craig David is way off the map.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 9 February 2004 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

She has that girl next door image.

Obviously not next door to me because she's not a hairy black man with a broken car.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Girl next door if you live in Archway, or something.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

What are the axes of that graph, where would PJ Harvey, Diamanda Galas or Shirley Bassey fit on it?

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Dido is odd in that she has gone from being extremely annoying to the sort of person you can ignore. When she first came out & J0 Whiley would not shut up about how great No Angel was & I just thought, wtf? IS that it? Nowadays, I can really ignore her music without getting bothered. I don't even hate it. I even sing to it sometimes in the car, but I'd never buy any of her stuff.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

That raises another spectre, pinky. Jo Whiley - has she stopped fancying herself as Voice of the Alternative, then? People like her and Mark Goodier who can just turn on and off enthusiasm for a genre etc. at will - they have no place in any kind of specialist music.

But yeah - this thread seems to indicate a total absense of rage. Strange.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

''If you look at the thread it's not strictly a music thread''

there has been no comprehensive musicological analysis of Dido's songs the last time I checked a dido thread on ILM.

''b) I'm sure anything and everything that could possibly be said about an artist has already been said on ILM''

news to me.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I always really rated her tbh, but now when she constantly plugs bands like the darkness, I have to wonder. I think all of the day time bands are more conformist, certianly on radio1. Sara C0x plays some hip hop & dance, but nothing that's not on the playlist or in the charts. J0 Whiley loves bands, that everyone seems to love. Mark & Lard will always be great imo & I love the way they take the piss out of new songs & are honest if they like a new song. You believe them because you know how great & varied their music tastes are. Chris M0yles, well he has the worst music taste. I remember hearing him completely slate Missy Elliot, i mean wtf, does this guy know anything about music at all?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post - response to Mark.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio if it bothers you so much I'm sure Mark won't mind if you go and start exactly the same thread on ILM.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio, be my guest! I'm sure you and your fellow music lovers will find many and varied fascinating comments and debates arise.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Jo Whiley - has she stopped fancying herself as Voice of the Alternative, then? People like her and Mark Goodier who can just turn on and off enthusiasm for a genre etc. at will - they have no place in any kind of specialist music.

Is there any suggestion that Jo Whiley has stopped liking indie music just because she likes Dido too? Is this a sixth form common room from 1987?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

yr 'total absence of rage' is not 'snippy' at all right?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Jo Whiley has a daughter called India. That's how credible she is.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

India than thou!

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Should have called her Kylie.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually if her middle names really were 'than thou' that would be totally awesome.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio, ppl are right to be scared, it's a fucking freak-fest out there on ILM.

Enrique OTM

and I'd rather avoid either crushing condescension or a series of snippy "look at this thread" answers.

Mark so OTM it isn't even funny. ILM is just...weird.

Jesus, multiple crossposts, you guys are typing waaay too fast today

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I do like J0 Whiley, but due to the nature of her radio prog she cannot play the type of music that she once might have played on her prog with steve lamacq.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

NO SELL OUT

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Steve Lamacq is a good example of what happens if you listen to too much indie music. Lack of vitamin C mainly.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

no he gets vit c from the cider!!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he def. needs to drink more cider then. Last time I saw him he looked like Gollum.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

he has the nose/chin snog action approaching fast too.

― chris (chris), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Ewwww indie face implosion!

(Like the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion only greasier)

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

and whinier

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

She drives me bonkers with her utter blandness. I've had oatmeal and wheat germ with more kick. Boiled water has more flavor. She has absolutely NO personality, it's like she's making her name do all the work for her.
The only interesting thing about her is she had Angel in her last video, and I'm sure that wasn't her idea. What are her songs even about? Are they about anything? I can hum the tune for white flag but I'm fucked if I know what she's singing about.

― Catty (Catty), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, basically she's finished with some d00d but now she wants back, but he seems to have a chick, or maybe is just like 'step off,' and she isn't backing down, I think.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Mary's Gone to India is about her mate Mary going to India. She nicks Mary's boyfriend. Well, she alludes to anyway.

She also misses the opportunity of rhyming Mary with hairy. Oversight, I guess.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

How about scary?

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Pessary?

― Alfie (Alfie), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The boyfriend is called Jim. From what I can see, purely for the purpose of this rhyme:

"Jim's in the garden, he looks like Bin Laden, but without the beard."

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Mary's In India Lyrics

Danny is lonely cos Mary's in India now
She said she'd call but that was three weeks ago
She left all her things well, her books and her letters from him
And as the sun rises on Mary, it sets on him

Just dance, just drink and just see the things I probably never get a chance to see

Danny's not eating, he's drinking and sleeping in
I saw him last night at a party, he's definitely thin
He says he's happy, he looked pretty good but I think
That as the sun rises on Mary, it sets on him
Just dance, just drink and just see the things I probably never get the chance to say

Danny came over last night and I cooked for him
We talked about you Mary and how much we loved you still
He told me he's packed up your books and your letters and things
And as the sun sets on Mary, it's rising on him
And we danced and we drank and I've seen some things
you probably never got the chance to see
Don't worry, Mary cos I'm taking care of Danny
And he's taking care of me

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe it works better 'in context'. Like my g/f and I died laughing reading some Kate Bush lyrics yesterday, but we still dig the songs.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Truely heartbreaking. Danny is so lonely.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

(I've been trying to add a Z axis, so we can add another variable but it just becomes unfathomable.)

http://ilxor.petfield.com/images/bland_graph_3d.gif

― Alfie (Alfie), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

brilliant!

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah but whither Beverly Knight? Or for that matter, Betty Boo?

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Where is r&b/urban on this. Surely that should be one of the axes.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, Alicia Keys is so necesary here.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Best clam down though, or all we'll end up with is some nifty cross-hatching with the words...ii ..ino..u.e vaguely visible

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, suggestions for the axes please.
Average age of target audience (as Steve put it: AOR to YOR)

― Alfie (Alfie), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

X = number of appearances in Daily Telegraph

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

x= poison of choice, heroin on left axis to a cup of tea on right
y=likelihood of being played in a Dorothy Perkins changing

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha, should be...

x= poison of choice; heroin on left axis to a cup of tea on right

y=likelihood of being played in a Dorothy Perkins changing room

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

These graphs are amazing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

z=likelihood of being in a Dorothy Perkins Changing room

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

curse you all, I've got white flag going round and round in my head, and I fear I'm humming snippets out loud in the office. Thank god we've got workmen in drilling so no-one can hear me.

― Vicky (Vicky), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Graph smarph. Back the original question for a moment. Let's agree, for the purposes of the argument, that Dido is indeed bland. I do find it really odd how people seem to get more wound up by bland things than by in your face irritating ones. How anyone could get angry about Dido is beyond my ken.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The bitch ran over my cat.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

She stole my best girlie

(x-post)

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Indeed. I have 'White Flag' in my head right now, not for the4 first time, and it really isn't that fuckin' bad, compared with other long-term stuck in my head songs (recently 'PIMP' and 'Shut Up', unfortunately for me).

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

The only way it makes sense to me is if you're some redfaced PASSION obsessive.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

beyond my ken.

Is it also beyond our Ken?

I have flipping Scissor Sisters and that godawful 'Somebody to Love' cover in my head now. From Saturday night watching crap pop videos. Aaaaaargh I can still see the stupid electric eels in the Scissor Sisters video.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i was going to add the omitted line 'now Mary's got the shits after traipsing round Calcutta' but then i accidentally kicked the reset button on my PC with my right foot

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

'might have been the ghee they use instead of butter'

― Alfie (Alfie), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"As the soon rises, on Mary, she fouls her pants"

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 9 February 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

people who get angry about successful bland bands are just jealous. being "overrated" is such a crap way to judge anything. something mediocre that gets heralded as AMAZING is still better than something crap that is universally known as crap.

Unjustifiably criticising something as AWFUL when it's in fact just mediocre is no more accurate, and possibly more annoying than over-hyping something that isn't great.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 9 February 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

On Dido's album of the same name, ''White Flag'' is a strong song, but the lyric's elegant negotiation between guilt and surrender is neutered by the polite production. Timbaland's version turns the whine into a genuine ache. Isolated, Dido's voice is gorgeous, roughed-up but sweet: ''There will be no white flag above my door/I'm in love and always will be.'' Timbaland may have been hired simply to repackage Dido's music, but the song has been served. A man who has never studied an instrument is being paid many thousands of dollars to improve on the work of a busload of professional musicians. Pop opens many doors and this is one: a great record can knock any paradigm out of shape, if only for three minutes.

― Enribaland (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

WUH?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 February 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

According to SFJ's artickle in the NYT, Timbo is remixing 'White Flag'.

― Phenrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"gorgeous", haha.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

END TIMES

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Sash gets lotsa love on ILM. I can't say that article has won me over. But I suppose NYT pays a bit better than VV, so hey...

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i thought at first Enribaland said "a great record can knock any DIAPHRAGMS out of shape"!!

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

but only for 3 minutes

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Further to the reference to Jo Whiley's changing taste in music, doesn't most peoples? Or do DJs owe it to their fans to keep playing the same old shit (yes, Lamacq, I'm talking about you)? Anyway, I always thought Whiley's music choice was pretty mainstream, except for her attempts to be into whatever the current NME/MM trend was (this generally lasted as long as the inkies said it was OK). Which is kind of indie mainstream I guess. Her current enthusiasm for the Darkness seems no stranger than her past enthusiasm for, say, Menswear.

Mind you, I don't like Missy Elliott, so I know jack shit about real music apparently.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 9 February 2004 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard 'White Flag' again this morning. I think the 'bland' analysis is inadequate: while the music is bland, the lyrical content isn't exactly; ver 'do is often alluding to non-bland type behaviour (in 'White Flag' she's left hella 'mess and destruction' and advises against living by 'the rules'; she claims that her life is 'for rent'; she wants to be 'a hunter' -- do you see?). But the music is all bland, yes. It's a dichotomy thang.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there an easy definition of bland music. Ie more harmonics, clasical chord progressions, being in tune, not too loud. I wonder if you were to play Dido really loudly (the non-bland extreme being its loudness) if it would sound better.

I think White Flag was a triffic single, and Life For Rent speaks directly (perhaps a touch too cynically) to the late tewnties renting masses in London.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

N. is v OTM above.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i've listened to some of the new Zero 7 album and it's likely to attract the same 'blandness' criticism as Dido's material, although i would point out that musically 'When It Falls' is somewhere between Dido and Air, leaning towards the latter in terms of sophisticated musical and melodic arrangements albeit with only sporadic flirtations with sonic psychedelia, surrealism and similar concepts but featuring a much more pedestrian approach to actual songwriting ala Dido.

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Pete's right about 'White Flag'. The blandness is a relative thing: Dido's first LP is sorta trip-hoppy (it was recorded in what? 1998) but with the ruff edges taken out. On 'Stan' the ruffness was actually added, the Portishead record hiss, etc. I dunno abt this LP, it seems less 'trip hop'.

Not sure about the 'late twenties' renting etcness -- esp coming from financially secure Dido! But I feel yr pain.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Bland - definition = UB40s "Swing Low Sweet Chariot". Everything about it is designed not to cause offence - everything mid-tempo, mid-pitch, nothing standing out, vaguely in keeping with the pereception of what the people who buy records want to hear.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

what does 'Life For Rent' mean anyway?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

BIG PIMPIN

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear her a lot on R2. I don't think I like her records much. But I don't hate them either; hate can be reserved for other things.

I have heard her... 'speaking voice' and been turned off.

I think Markelby's question is good.

― the bellefox, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd be more annoyed by Coldplay, nobody treats Dido as some form of high culture/spiritual experience. I dislike the way Dido slating is so often an outlet for a sort of hatred of women, not here really but in music discussions more generally.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

damn their high heels/standards

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone upthread said Dido had covered 'Grindin''. I said: Any cop? Now i'm thinking they were trying to get a rise outta me. Is it true? Did she really? Ma, it don't get more coffee table than this.

― ENRK (Enrique), Monday, 16 February 2004 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Dido : Fading 35 y/o women
50 Cent : 16 y/o suburban boys.

The identity, problems, struggles of fantasy false self. [/pop-psych bs]

― Hunter (Hunter), Monday, 16 February 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

twelve years pass...

"thank you" is 100% CLASSIC

― flappy bird, Thursday, 25 August 2016 05:04 (nine years ago)

seven years pass...

flappy bird gets it (as did kpunk lol)

🍷 to a spooky mum-pop classic (one of many)

― mark s, Tuesday, 20 August 2024 12:30 (one year ago)

recently thought to myself i need to listen to no angel bc i bet i'd like it. still sorta obsessed with "hunter" all these years later

― ivy., Tuesday, 20 August 2024 12:36 (one year ago)

The first album is great but the second one just edges it for me. I love the way "See The Sun" presents as an epic album closer, only to be undercut by a hidden track of a winsome little acoustic ballad.

― bored by endless ecstasy (anagram), Tuesday, 20 August 2024 12:50 (one year ago)

one year passes...

sound of the summer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQWNeIiFf_s

― Proust Ian Rush (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 21:36 (six months ago)

This is being played EVERY SINGLE TIME I get in a taxi for the last three months, maybe longer, it makes me feel carsick

― boxedjoy, Thursday, 4 September 2025 06:00 (six months ago)

it's being played every night outside my hotel window by a bar downstairs (I'm in Turkey) and I think I like it

― Proust Ian Rush (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 4 September 2025 07:01 (six months ago)

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