i am never getting maried. i am never having kids. (small non work-safe image)

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i realized this today. not in any kinda "i'll never turn into YOU daaaaad" sense, but just as a general factoid. maybe it's because my birthday is coming up.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

i dont quite know how to feel about it, frankly.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

The never having kids is totally understandable (I feel the same way), but the never getting married may be a rule you'll eventually break.

― Jonathan (Jonathan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this out of exasperation that you don't seem to have met The One For You yet?

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

How old ya gonna be? If ya answer "63," then yeah, yer right.

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Unless you used to play Scottie on "Star Trek".

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

You'll be fine, Jess. I reckon you'd be a good dad.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't imagine hating someone enough to want them to have me as a father. And that's no being facetious, it's just a plain fact.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

My craziest friend at Berkeley used to remark: "I want to have a lot of kids, but I don't want to be a father" also "I want my kids to be ninja football players". He rubberbanded harder than anyone I've ever known and now lives in Irvine, happily married to his highschool girlfriend, with a kid and more likely on the way soon.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I honestly believe marriage is a dying institution. Spawning rocks though.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd love to have kids n marriage but it's not something i'm exactly hunting for. if it happens, it happens i guess.

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

1 down 1 to go.

― Chris V (Chris V), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i imagine i'll go another ten years in my halfassed rootless quasihipster way and have friends with families and good credit saying 'you've got like the perfect life dude'

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

hold on folks i think there are some more cliches i can recycle on this topic

― good god (gcannon), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i never really realized that these things were important to me until my last long-term relationship ended, before which i used to stridently object to both. i'm not particularly looking for marriage or kids at the moment (i just turned 26) but my long-term ideals have now shifted drastically enough to where i sometimes worry about marriage/kids never happening.

(haha as i write this simple plan's "perfect" has just come up on the office radio -- FUCK KIDS I TAKE IT ALL BACK)

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

no shit, that song will drive you to start a vasectomy cult.

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

marriage/kids is one thing but having a HOME would improve my life x81454987%

― vas-cutter primon g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

teeny, no need to puncture the tires when you're not driving the car.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm extremely glad that I spawned at an early age, but I can't exactly say why.

― the homunculi that actually have them (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I pretty much accept the title of this thread, as a basic fact of my malaise. It's not cool, but hey I don't feel that bad about it, but feel that I should, damn you equanimity!

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

this is a a lot like the 'get your shit straight before you fall in love' thread.

(was that yours strongo?)

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

haha no, that is my epitaph

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

people are just going to keep getting married and having kids later and later (as they are already) as long as middle-to-upper income people maintain their kids' culturally-prolonged adolescence, which we can expect as long as graduate degrees are necessary to the maintenance of certain income levels and subsistence-level knowledge-based employment continues to exist

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

or you can just be lazy, like me.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

marriage was never a conscious longing, but kids... nothing was/is going to stop me (unless my partner wouldn't want them).

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

As yet undecided.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd imagine I'll be married by the time I'm thirty. If I'm married to my girlfriend, we'll never have kids. Which, right now, seems just fine to me (although my parents would never, ever understand).

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

For me personally, I consider motherhood to be a vocation. I haven't received The Call, nor do I expect to. This neither upsets me nor freaks me out. Different strokes, you know?

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

that's kinda re-assuring actually (i don't mean 'thank god jeanne doesn't want to have kids', just that it's good not everybody feels the need to do that)

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't mean 'thank god jeanne doesn't want to have kids'

But now that you have suggested this, it must become your life's work to ensure it doesn't happen.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Now there's a movie idea.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Not Getting Jeanne Fury Pregnant, starring Ashton Kutcher, Tom Arnold, Rick Astley, the Harlem Boys Choir, and Waylon Flowers & Madam

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Is that funny or should I be as creeped out as I am?

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Matos, the self-described insufferable idiot, strikes again! (To answer your question teeny, I'm not sure... which worries me.)

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I fear I must hide from Jeanne's wrath!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i am never getting married. i am never having kids

Heh. I said that once.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

me neither. marriage is obsolete, and children are a pain in the ass.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh. I said that once.

sorry alex but people who say that even in jest make me want to flay my own skin.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought i was never getting married til i turned 31 and we had a visa problem. i thought i was never gonna have kids til i was 36 and i changed my mind.

its been said before here, but how old are you guys? and why has your life become a set of diminished possibilities?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I really want kids, and to get married, one day. I find it kind of funny how certain I am of this. Maybe it's a result of a fairly good family life. I can't imagine not getting married or having kids eventually. I look forward to finding something in life which is pleasing other than music or hedonism or career.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, Mullygrubber, you've got to keep in mind that not everyone will change their minds, after all.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i said i wasnt ever going 2 get married and look im married now well im never going 2 have kids anyway

― Emma williams (Emma williams), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry alex but people who say that even in jest make me want to flay my own skin.

Well, I have some lovely pairning knives you can use.

Whatever happend to NEVER SAY NEVER?

When you least expect (as I did), it'll swim around and bite ya. Mark my words, oh self-prophecizing islands in the stream!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex is right. its not the kids or marriage thing so much as the idea that planning your life so clearly at a young age seems crazy.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to get married and have kids, but girls hate me.

― Aaron A., Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I am pretty obsessed with myself, but I go back and forth on what this might mean for potential chillens. It could either be:

A) I am obsessed with myself, very selfish, want to do whatever I want whenever, etc so I won't have kids
or
B) I am obsessed with myself and so would like to make something like me (but better!), mold it to the ways of christhamrin, relent to the biological pull of perpetuating my genes, etc

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

This seems like a way to prevent yourself from being disappointed, to not get your hopes up. If you tell yourself it's never gonna happen, then ideally you wouldn't be too disappointed if it doesn't. And if you do wind up getting married, it'll seem that much more of an accomplishment.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I just want children so that I can dress them up like animals.

You think I'm joking.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

...oh self-prophecizing islands in the stream!

did anyone else get a vision of Alex duetting with Dolly Parton just now?

― hstencil, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"and we honor the fire with each other, ah ah
from one joke fan to another, ah ah"

― hstencil, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, it was a slight allusion to a totally different song (with the same title) on this e.p.

http://themissionuk.com/disc/singles/stay_with_me.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

okay, Wayne Hussey and Dolly Parton then!

― hstencil, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

heh.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Lady Lurex is so unbelievably OTM both times.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever happend to NEVER SAY NEVER?

Because I don't ever expect to come up with a good reason as to why I should ruin my life.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

But you assume you'll always think of getting married and having a kid as 'ruining my life'

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

But you assume you'll always think of getting married and having a kid as 'ruining my life'

No I'm not assuming. I can state that for a fact. Why would I want kids when I hate them?

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Kids are like fart smells: you often really like your own.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

How old are you, Elvis?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.ourhutch.com/steve/baby.gif

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Kids are like fart smells: you often really like your own.

I'll leave that for someone else to discover.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

How old are you, Elvis?

38. Why does that matter?

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Not necessarily, just curious.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i think 38 is a decent age to "know" you don't wanna have them. most of my inlaws are 38+ childless and happy.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.quartzcity.net/~chris/blogpicts/johnnycash.jpg

x-post to the baby photo

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey man, I mean, don't get all defensive and stuff....I'm not trying to MAKE you get married and have kids, but I think you're not considering the influence a person you may fall head over heels in love with may have on your perspective of the world.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Well yeah you're supposed to hate everyone else's kids. You most likely wouldn't hate one of your own, but I suppose there's only one way to find out, and no way back once you do.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you're not considering the influence a person you may fall head over heels in love with may have on your perspective of the world.

Actually I do consider that a lot. I'm not interested in anyone who wants to breed.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, whaddya know? me neither!

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I urge you all, particularly you young people out there, to allow for the possibility that Letting the Lord into your Life is a blessing!

― troughman (gaz), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

quit it gaz

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I urge you all, particularly you young people out there, to allow for the possibility that Letting the Lord into your Life is a blessing!

http://users.argolink.net/rault/gifs/bs147.gif

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean this in all seriousness--perhaps there are certain genes that *shoudn't* be passed on.

― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

now now

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm only having kids if I get to name them Maverick (boy) or Anastasia (girl).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm only having kids if someone else is going to pay for and take care of them

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

the government!

― mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

no. i meant that *seriously*.
as those who actually know me well can attest, my decision to not have kids stems in part from not wanting to give birth to an asshole or pass on any portion of dad's genes--and from an appreciation of my moms dilemma because she gave birth to a kid who made everyone's life miserable because he inherited my dad's genes as dominant.

xpost to oops

― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I had a girl make this statement to me on a first date. It was a turn-off in so many different ways. Like, I wasn't planing on proposing to you or knocking you up but thanks for the warning. To me, turning a personal decision into some political declaration just means your priorities are out of whack. (Not that you can't come to the no marriage, no kids conclusion otherwise...)

― bnw (bnw), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i've had someone ask me on a first date if i wanted kids. i said no; i didn't get a second date

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Asking about kids on the first date: Dud or Psycho?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

pmsl

― Emma williams (Emma williams), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

when're some girls gonna learn that men are there to be molded, changed, made into whatever you want them to be?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

to be fair it was in conversational context

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

ah, you have seen the light!
come to me, i will mold you!

― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost

― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.rainbownetwork.com/myod/images/k_kits.jpg

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Make your own double dildo? I'm confused.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

intriguing.

― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Confused? Or UNLUCKY????

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Just follow the directions on the bucket, Ned.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't it odd that the tools don't fit the bucket?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

You have a double dildo, Dan? Are you perfectly smooth otherwise?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

stop saying smooth.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"SECRET AGENT...SUPER DRAGON..."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

great euphemism, Anthony

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

You have a double dildo, Dan? Are you perfectly smooth otherwise?

You'll have to ask my wife.

― Señor Two-Prong (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(haha now no one who reads this thread will be capable of having kids)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

chat from yesterday, reposted with permission...

JBR: i've never really understood why the human race NEEDS to continue on... why is there so much pressure to propogate the species?
CKB: it's a form of social control
CKB: Authority can exert all kinds of pressure on parents to keep them from dissenting
JBR: why are there six billion people on earth but only like 500 pandas? can't they get some pandas pregnant?
CKB: wtf... i'd rather have more pandas
JBR: lots more pandas!
CKB: f. this family shit, gimme the pandas
JBR: i agree completely!
JBR: if i had enough money to guarantee that i could have a child and provide a really good life for it, and if i had the option of either doing that or donating to a wildlife fund to save some endangered animals, i'd save the goddamn animals without hesitation
CKB: same here
JBR: that's one thing that i know i'll never cave in on -- the pressure to have children. it's just not gonna happen. the world doesn't need any more people and it's irrelevant whether or not i'd be one of the "good" parents because i'm still contributing to the problem.
CKB: *stands up and applauds*
JBR: *bows*
JBR: and any kid of mine would be a total misanthrope anyway -- i'd rather spare them a lifetime of disappointment and alienation
CKB: it's bad enough being a smart adult - i can't imagine how shitty it would be for a smart kid
JBR: you were a smart kid -- do you remember what that was like?
CKB: yes
CKB: it sucked. things suck 100x more now
JBR: it sucked for me too
JBR: and the thing you always hear during your childhood/adolescence is that the crass stupidity and meanness are just a phase and people stop being so cruel when they grow up
JBR: and it's not true
CKB: not at all
JBR: i know it's pointless to wish i'd never been born, because everybody's stuck in this boat together and as soon as you're spat out into the world there you are and you might as well get used to it... but is it so wrong to wish potential parents would think about someone but themselves when they decide to have babies? like, you know, the actual PERSON they're giving birth to?
CKB: that's never the case though.
JBR: am i the only person who thinks giving birth is a really selfish pursuit?
CKB: not at all. i've always felt like that
CKB: despite all the talk about "the children" it really all about the selfishness of the parents
JBR: i think the "miracle of life" thing is a load of horseshit
CKB: it's not a miracle at all!
JBR: what's so miraculous about it? it's just sperm and eggs
CKB: it's just biology. congratulations, you've proved to the world that you can fuck.
JBR: mmhmm
JBR: what is this "life is a gift" BS? a gift to whom? it's a gift to the parents!
CKB: i find that talk really creepy
CKB: it's like the parents have a god complex
JBR: cuz someone somewhere has decided that the only way to be Satisfied and At Peace is to have kids, as if you can't get that kind of satisfaction any other way
JBR: it's all just creepy, smug self-help rhetoric
CKB: otm
JBR: and yeah it is like a god complex, and parents get all uppity about how they brought you into the world and how you should respect them for that
CKB: ugh
JBR: they can be total bastards and awful parents, but they'll always lay that shit on you
CKB: "thanks for making me feel good folks"
JBR: again: sigh
CKB: sigh
JBR: i've tried explaining my point of view to people and they invariably think i'm insane or really self-pitying and miserable
CKB: i've always gotten the "oh once you meet a girl/get married/settle down/etc. you'll feel different"
JBR: this is not born out of self-pity... it's just a dissatisfaction with the way things are
JBR: "thanks for second-guessing my feelings, asshole"
CKB: mmhmmmm
JBR: hopefully my older, more set-in-their-ways relatives will all be dead by the time my biological clock would be a major concern for them
JBR: right now i'm still young (not THAT young, but young), but in about 10 years if i don't have any kids they're going to think i'm a lesbian or a spinster or something
CKB: rah lesbian spinsters!
JBR: hahahahaa
JBR: my parents are typical vaguely liberal baby boomers, but it's still obvious they're from a different generation
JBR: they'll accept whatever i do even if they're not thrilled about it
CKB: fortunately my parents had a totally different attitude about it
CKB: hence, none of us want kids
JBR: yay!
CKB: i've only gotten a comment about "kids" once, and that was from an aunt
JBR: i usually hear that shit at family functions, when relatives are fumbling for small talk
CKB: ugh
JBR: the "when are you going to settle down and have kids?" speech, only it's really tossed-off and thoughtless
JBR: it's a rather big question to be asking over hors d'ouevres
CKB: it's just conditioning. they have absolutely nothing to say to you otherwise
CKB: and they're thoughtless enough to not realize that it's obnoxious
JBR: otm
JBR: plus they're from a generation where girls my age usually have a ready answer for questions like that
CKB: uh huh
JBR: and i never wanna go into a whole tirade so i'm like "um, um... i don't really um... i have to go to the bathroom now"
JBR: don't they realize it's awkward??
CKB: not at all, because they're not thinking about how you feel
JBR: of course not

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Señor Two-Prong

Great, now I imagine you talking like the Sancho guy in Orgazmo.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

you interrupted dildo banter! for shame.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan Perry is Bruno Puntz Jones.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

fight the power jody!

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

the molding was successful!

― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

oh @d@ml, why are you married? I, too, want to have babies and dress them up in animal costumes.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 12 February 2004 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I want kids for other reasons, too. And to get married. And these threads always make feel superfreakish for wanting to.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 12 February 2004 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, I think that makes you the opposite of a superfreak.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 12 February 2004 02:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't ruled out marriage yet. I wanna give birth to a fabulous wedding!

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 12 February 2004 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

If I ever propose to someone it will be by singing Prince's "The Beautiful Ones" to them at a karaoke bar. Anyone who can inspire me to do that (and tolerates it) can have me for life.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 12 February 2004 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't have any problems with marriage or kids, i mean, i think jbr and ckb are mostly otm in that exchange (especially the selfishness), but that doesn't make the prospect of raising a kid any more or less attractive. but i think i'd be kind of a shitty father, for certain i would be right now. it's the most important thing there is, and i wouldn't want to halfass it, you know?

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 12 February 2004 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"the bit about selfishness" i mean

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 12 February 2004 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

it's the most important thing there is, and i wouldn't want to halfass it, you know?

You speak to my heart with this.

My parents, if I may be so bold, really, really raised my sister and I well -- I'm not saying I'm perfect, merely that I learned a lot and that there are things they demonstrate in their lives as people that should be more of a role model for me. That took patience, time and more on their part, and I've been in awe of that for some years now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

that whole "never say never" thing might be true, but "never say ALWAYS" is even more pertinent. and thats why i'm NEVER getting married. plus the whole contractual aspect of marriage defeats the purpose of trust but thats just my opinion and i'm not saying that people are wrong for getting married or that trust isn't important to them. as for children, i'm not maternal, and i get sick to the fuck of people trying to normalise me into motherhood just cos i'm a female. and lets face facts, women often end up doing more of the work in parenting than men. even if i liked children i wouldn't wanna be that kinda muggins. children are a pain in the ass, metaphorically speaking. but they are very literally a pain in the vagina.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 12 February 2004 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Lady Lurex 110% otm. Except people that say "you'll change your mind" make me want to flay THEM with knives. Sharp ones. If it would be unfair to say that one "never" wants to marry or have children then it would be equally unfair to say that one does. I'm not going to have children, for a variety of ethical and purely selfish reasons, so i'm saving up for a tubal as soon as possible, in case I do change my mind.

― mouse, Thursday, 12 February 2004 06:52 (twenty-two years ago)

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