nice guys finish last

Nice guys don't have to be modest, too, do they?

Oh, god, I'm sorry. I'm very, very lonely.

Ned, exactly the same thing happened to me in 1991. I assume with a different bird though. I am not a particularly nice guy, but often appear to finish last.

The trick is to be a velvet fist in an iron glove, or is that an iron fist in a velvet glove? I've never quite mastered it myself.

http://www.officialdougfieger.com/knack1.jpg

So, hey, is the "Nice guys finish last" narrative basically shut-in aspie social retards bitching that just because they occasionally hold a conversation with a woman without raping/beating her into a coma, the woman is thus obligated to fuck them? Is there anything else to this belief?

Nah I think that just about covers it. Also not understanding why pretending to like Sex in the City and kittens doesn't get them laid.

The single most projected comment ever made on ILE (xpost)

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00405/trinians_682x400_405423a.jpg

DON'T MESS

Nah I think that just about covers it. Also not understanding why pretending to like Sex in the City and kittens doesn't get them laid.

-- Noodle Vague, Friday, 13 June 2008 12:38 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Bad news for Southall.

i like kittens. i get laid.

this is how we'll remember the golden days.

This 'nice'...tends to be an exercise in self-definition no?

More like self-manipulation lol amirite?

This 'nice'...tends to be an exercise in self-definition no?

-- Tracksuit Party, Friday, 13 June 2008 12:42 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

But what actually defines a "nice guy"? Because to guys who describe themselves as such, it tends to be poor self-care, self-loathing, and 20 hours a week racked up playing Portal.

nice

But what actually defines a "nice guy"?

lack of pussy?

I think this is what it comes down to. It's just another very sinister subset of modern day youth culture, that doesn't get called out enough. Maybe because dudes are worried that if they do call it out, IT will zap their connection at work.

Plenty nice guys do quite well for themselves. But that isn't very reassuring for the ones that don't, nor does it back up their theory. I think this is a special redundant definition of "nice" which is basically made up of being the sort of guy that finishes last.

I fucking hate S&TC. Kittens rock. I get laid plenty.

i know plenty of guys who would be considered "nice" who don't get laid. but it's not their "niceness" that's the problem it's lack of confidence and reluctance to (OMG) reveal to girls (directly or indirectly) that they want to fuck them.

"Shyness is nice and shyness can stop you from doing all the things in life you'd like to"

I blame Morrissey.

And here I thought the moral of that song was 'if you don't ask, you don't get'...

nice rich guys that are good looking don't always finish last. or is that the elephant in the room?

everyone forgetting the 'uglyness' factor

Ugly gyts don't get laid less than attractive guys, I believe. They just sleep with uglier women.

*guys

gyts lol

"i believe" lol

meta snark

Someone's hankering for a tombottering

chrissakes ppl be yrselves and let it sort itself out, although dom has a point in that lack of sexual achievement should never be attributed to a pleasant demeanour but to hesitancy, immaturity or plain weirdness

^realest of talk

Shyness is possibly the only defining trait of males that was as useless to women pre-feminism as it is post.

and membership of mogwai fanclub

cloistered private school education does not help either

meta snark?

selfsnark

that defence may save you in cuddlestein. maybe.

also - Nice Guys = guys who don't hit on their mates, or mates partners, or hone in on recent break ups. Therefore lower success rate.

uh whats wrong with sleeping with your friends exactly?

Ailsa nailed it with "Plenty nice guys do quite well for themselves. But that isn't very reassuring for the ones that don't, nor does it back up their theory." There are lots of nice guys who make out perfectly well. They just don't whine loudly about how nice they are.

i think ailsa nailed it completely with the next sentence, actually -

I think this is a special redundant definition of "nice" which is basically made up of being the sort of guy that finishes last.

yeah, her whole post covered it.

"nice" originally meant "choosy" btw ;-)

sometimes "nice" = unthreatening guy that no-one is afraid of/can look down on?

i thought nice originally meant tidy/neat

Ailsa generally nails it about variations on this topic.

well, "fastidious", "particular" or "picky", i guess my reading of it is a little distorted

How about kind guys?

I don't think they finish last.

Also, has anyone else actually had to explain this entire thread (in kinder words) to male friends who are like "I hear girls prefer assholes, what should I do differently?" Gaaaaah!

Guys who think they're nice and finish last for it think they're "kind" "good" guys, and think that's why they can't get girls.

People talk about how they're going to "stop being nice" because people dick them over at work or whatever, and it turns out oh you're spineless. Oh, you thought letting that dude break in front of you in line and not saying anything and then steaming about it passive-aggressively for the rest of the day was you being "nice." Um, no.

http://www.football.co.uk/shared/images/news/400x400_PaulJewellNew4.jpg

Seems like a nice guy.

oh god i can already see rampant.jpg being posted to this thread

http://mat.pics.free.fr/fabris_rampant.jpg

That's all I got.

http://www.umo.org/images/rampant.jpg

No wait this one's good. Another wacky subculture, eh?

i always thought this was a comment about sex etiquette

My words exactly. At least that's my definition of "nice", and I've gotten laid plenty enough.

your definition of 'nice' relates mainly to sex?

darraghmac, tuomas, tuomas, darraghmac. have you met?

specifically in regards to finishing last, i assume.

that's another interpretation, tuomas!

But to be more honest, there are girls who like jerks and there are girls who like nice guys, but unfortunately for the "nice" guys described here, like Ailsa and others suggested, there aren't too many girls willing to drag these guys off of the corner where they silently wallow in their tragic niceness. Being nice and being active aren't mutually exclusive, I've learned this through my own experience.

(xxx-post)

'nice' to meet you tuomas. hopefully that's not a sexual comment.

there aren't too many girls willing to drag these guys off of the corner where they silently Swallow in their tragic niceness

fixed

i still reckon 'nice' hot dudes do ok for themselves.

niceness is the new luvgunk

Also, when it comes to heterosexual coupling, I'm pretty sure there is someone for most people, it's just that too many people (especially guys) have too high or too narrow standards. I mean, if you look at it from purely mathematical point of view, there's roughly the same amount of single, straight women as there is of single, straight men.

Yes but the ones more than 25 miles away aren't really any help to me.

it's just that too many people (especially guys) have too high or too narrow standards

Pretty sure you're accusing the wrong gender here lol

On the contrary, most women's standards aren't anything like high enough

Yes but the ones more than 25 miles away aren't really any help to me.

You live in some sort of female collective?

it's just that too many people (especially guys) have too high or too narrow standards

Pretty sure you're accusing the wrong gender here lol

I dunno, maybe both sides can have high standards, they just don't meet?

'nice' women finish last? xpost Tom D

Blokes who are talking to blokes about what women they would deign to shag = ridiculously high standards
Blokes who are confronted with a real girl who is offering them a shag = pretty much no standards whatsoever

Also there's the issue that I don't have crazy high standards, but they're narrow enough that "male" isn't quite enough.

Fortunately I am one of those girls willing to drag guys I like out of the corner. But their being in the corner at all is still a result of shyness, not an effect of how "nice" they are!

xpost interesting, don't know what to think of the gender/standards question.

noodle absolutely on the noodle there

Blokes who are talking to blokes about what women they would deign to shag = ridiculously high standards
Blokes who are confronted with a real girl who is offering them a shag = pretty much no standards whatsoever

Maybe the problem is that the sort of girls who'd like the nice guys aren't the type who'd just step up and offer them a shag? Is that the dilemma of the wallflower: their so busy lusting after or envying the stars of the dancefloor, that they don't notice each other?

hardman dom with some challops on whiney 'aspie's

tuomas otm in that it's more about how 'active' you are - the 'nice' part refers less to how the dude treats the girl he's after than to how willing he is to figuratively participate (in the right ways) in the competition for her affection

They'd have nothing to say to each other (xp)

Actually the last statistic I heard for numbers of single people in NYC claimed a lot more single women than men, and that's not even counting the fact that the gay population is 50% higher here than the US average. Just FYI for Tuomas, since he asked.

Yes but the ones more than 25 miles away aren't really any help to me.

-- Laurel, Friday, June 13, 2008 3:01 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Laurel lives in new york where there is a surfeit of women. (proven demographic fact) xpost

nice girls and nice guys can get together but it takes time, care and affection. and, presumably, some sort of eventual move. this is gonna be my situation next week, actually.

I think it's not an issue of different types of people missing each other, it's just that most girls just expect guys to take the initiative (I don't, but it still annoys me sometimes when they don't!). Some guys expect that, too. I know a few who think it's a man's job and that it is mildly disturbing and improper if a woman does. (xpost.)

make the move, louis!

(Psst Ed I'm not doing a very good job of searching, I can't find actual numbers quoted anywhere. Did you?)

it's just that most girls just expect guys to take the initiative

this is relevant too

no, but I am sure the economist has covered it, will check.

Actually the last statistic I heard for numbers of single people in NYC claimed a lot more single women than men, and that's not even counting the fact that the gay population is 50% higher here than the US average. Just FYI for Tuomas, since he asked.

How is that even possible? Is there a disproportionate amount of young women compared to young men in NYC? Or are there a lot of women secretly dating many guys at the same time but not the opposite?

(several x-posts)

it's just that most girls just expect guys to take the initiative

"nice" guys whine about that A LOT

it's called 'mobility'

(xpost) I know! It makes me want to say "look, if I've got the balls for it so should you." Actually, I think I have said that.

I don't see why it's not possible that there are more young women than young men in NY! It's a city people move in and out of. Also, why are we talking "young" all of a sudden?

I'm guessing people who still say this sort of thing never really recovered from puberty.

I think it's not an issue of different types of people missing each other, it's just that most girls just expect guys to take the initiative (I don't, but it still annoys me sometimes when they don't!).

I dunno, this depends on what sort of crowd you hang with. Most of the people I know, and most of the girls I've dated, have been this sort of bohemian, liberal type, and I've never felt like it's my job alone to take the initiative. In fact several times it's been the girl who's been much more assertive. But if you prefer more stereotypical type of girls, well yeah, I guess more stereotypical behaviour is expected as well.

Yeah, er, why should there NOT be a gender imbalance? For instance, ski towns are known to have WAY more men than women and girls can pretty much pick and choose at will, or so I've been told by at least one moutain-dwelling ILXor.

I think probably the word "young" has crept in to distinguish between people who have never been married or settled down and those who are single but older/divorced/widowed/etc. Census-wise.

Is that the dilemma of the wallflower: their so busy lusting after or envying the stars of the dancefloor, that they don't notice each other?

this is a great comment

oh boy another thread for tuomas to talk about his sex life

lots of nice guys do great & lots of nice guys end up alone guess what theyre not related

Maybe it's better in Finland? (xpost, haha)

I've not mentioned my sex life at all, except in the first short post.

Tuomas playing hard to get

To be honest, at this point I'd much prefer a proper long-term relationship to lots of random sex.

At least it's lots tho, eh?

No reason you can't have both

Not really.

(x-post)

But if you prefer more stereotypical type of girls, well yeah, I guess more stereotypical behaviour is expected as well.

Oh, classic.

Speaking of stereotyping.

LOL

Calculated from stats here:

http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/demographics/20070320/5/2126

52.6% of people in NYC 25-65 are women, compared to 50.9% for the US as a whole

55.9% of single people in NYC 22-65 are women compared to 52.1% for the US as a whole

Some one find me figures for the numbers of homosexual new yorkers and homosexual americans in 2005 and I will work it further.

more stereotypical girls = ones who dont immediately jump on tuomas's finnish schlong

"Shyness is nice and shyness can stop you from doing all the things in life you'd like to"

I blame Morrissey.

-- ailsa

well, you are wrong to, because morrissey's entire point in that line & that song is the same one everyone else on this thread is making.

guess more stereotypical behaviour is expected as well.

For my next act, I shall drop my handkerchief and wait for someone to hold the door open for me.

Controlling for the best estimates I can find on gays and lesbian which are for major metros not new york we get.

54.3% of straight people are women
57.9% of single straight people are women

In new york, that is.

But what actually defines a "nice guy"? Because to guys who describe themselves as such, it tends to be poor self-care, self-loathing, and 20 hours a week racked up playing Portal.

-- The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Friday, June 13, 2008 11:49 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

If it takes you 20 hours a week to beat Portal, you are terrible.

By posting on an internet message board you have forfeited your right to judge others on their lack of social skills and sexual prowess.

HAHA

If it takes you 20 hours a week to beat Portal, you are terrible.

That partly explains the self-loathing

By posting on an internet message board you have forfeited your right to judge others on their judgement of others' lack of social skills and sexual prowess.

it's just that most girls just expect guys to take the initiative

i'm a girl who takes the initiative with nice guys

the ones that pursue you, see, they usually end up being jerks. just into the chase and that kind of thing.

yes, deeznuts. I was being flippant. I don't really blame Morrissey. I think he might have been being observant, rather than actually defining this behaviour (also line was quoted out of context, he's moaning about inactive people not doing the asking). Though there is probably a school of thought that thinks being the kind of person Morrissey writes songs about is a good thing, though I wouldn't like to comment on their sexual attractiveness to others.

many xposts

Thanks, Ed! Nice work on that.

guess more stereotypical behaviour is expected as well.

For my next act, I shall drop my handkerchief and wait for someone to hold the door open for me.

Hey, I was just answering to Maria's complaint that girls expect guys to always take the intitiative. I have nothing against people acting according to stereotypes, if that's what they prefer to. It's just not my thing.

I am unsure about my controlling for gay and lesbian steps as I think it over estimates the number of gay an lesbian people in the outer boroughs.

* trying not to make joke about Queens *

I wasn't implying that all girls expect this! It is just common in my experience.

Some one find me figures for the numbers of homosexual new yorkers and homosexual americans in 2005 and I will work it further.

i bet you will

Have we decided whether Tuomas even reads other people's posts? I think I missed that poll.

The reason I was talking about young women in my post about NYC statistics is that there is process in Finland too where young women are more likely than men to move from smaller towns and villages to the bigger cities, and coversely young men are more likely than women to stay were they were born. So I guess something similar has happened in the US, and that is at least partially causing the difference between single women and men. I wonder what's the cause of this (small but visible) gender division in migration?

Have we decided whether Tuomas even reads other people's posts? I think I missed that poll.

I'm sorry, but I'm not quite sure what you were trying to say when quoting my comment about stereotypes?

I wonder what's the cause of this (small but visible) gender division in migration?

Women trying to get away from smalltown dorks

reading other people's posts = less time for getting laid

Solution, war parties of raiding single new york women need to head out and capture single men from other towns (possibly Scranton if Tuomas' theory is correct)

Women trying to get away from smalltown dorks

But why would only guys in small towns be dorks and not girls?

stop posting, start fucking

-- Just got offed, Thursday, 12 June 2008 22:57 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

the ones that pursue you, see, they usually end up being jerks. just into the chase and that kind of thing.

completely untrue in my case. if i sat around waiting to be pursued i'd be alone the rest of my life. not that i probably won't be anyway.

Solution, war parties of raiding single new york women need to head out and capture single men from other towns

We must club some men and drag them back to our caves.

I think there's a middle ground between pursuing and letting the others to pursue you.

stop posting, start fucking

-- Just got offed, Thursday, 12 June 2008 22:57 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

-- Just got offed, 13 June 2008 15:05 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

self quoting, self snarking, self pleasuring. this kid does it all folks!

apologies, meta snark again man. i'll stick to football threads in future.

selfish guys finish themselves

stop posting, start fucking

-- Just got offed, Thursday, 12 June 2008 22:57 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

Are you quoting Chaki's "hot chick" here?

of the long-term relationships in my life, the ones where i haven't been cheated on or otherwise dicked over, were both people i pursued or made the first move. any guy that feels uncomforable with a girl making the first move? probably an asshole. pursuing rather than being pursued is win-win for me.

maybe this also has something to do with me living in new york, with all our unfair ratios.

selfish guys finish themselves

-- Just got offed, Friday, 13 June 2008 15:11 (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

She might be worn out!

yeah bell, while i have no problem with being pursued, i also have no interest in a guy who feels uncomfortable with me pursuing. that speaks to a level of conservatism that could be a compatibility problem in general, and i've been called pretty conservative myself. (xpost)

i do not know any straight guy who would have an issue with a girl making the first move.

i do! isn't that scary? fortunately they are in the minority.

Solution, war parties of raiding single new york women need to head out and capture single men from other towns

We must club some men and drag them back to our caves.

-- Maria, Friday, June 13, 2008 10:08 AM (Friday, June 13, 2008 10:08 AM) Bookmark Link

leaving a trail of bacon to your door would work too.

except it weeds out jews, muslims, and vegetarians.

i do not know any straight guy who would have an issue with a girl making the first move.

c'mon kev this is the plot to like 10 episodes of the fresh prince alone

i don't know the fresh prince.

except it weeds out jews, muslims, and vegetarians.

PERFECT!!

better leave out some beer as well, no point having a teetotaler around.

i do not know any straight guy who would have an issue with a girl making the first move.

i thought guys got a bit 'twitchy' when girls come on too strong? maybe just me then.

Eric Morecambe.

"Twitchy" in where?

any guy that feels uncomforable with a girl making the first move? probably an asshole.

as with the other way around, you can be comfortable with a girl making the first move, but uncomfortable with how the girl makes the first move

i thought guys got a bit 'twitchy' when girls come on too strong? maybe just me then.

-- Ste, Friday, 13 June 2008 15:22 (1 minute ago) Link

not if they're "hot"

same goes for girls.

"nice" guys don't like it when girls make the first move but reserve the right to whinge about it not happening all the same.

the ones that pursue you, see, they usually end up being jerks. just into the chase and that kind of thing.

and this is why the so-called "nice guys" end up finishing last, because they've all seen some jerk trying desperately hard and coming off like a creep. There's an innate fear of coming across as creepy/manipulative/obvious in these kinds of situations and a lot of people don't know how to control it. So rather than embarrassing themselves, they decide to play the "nice guy" card by being completely inactive and waiting for the girl to come up to them (which is never going to happen).

not if they're "hot"

actually disagree, it can be even more intimidating

haha no sometimes nice guys say things like "oh thank god you said something" (xpost)

so what is the proper level of attractiveness for a girl desiring success?

you people are all insane.

I do think the kind of guy who just goes out of his way to creepily hit on girls is usually a douche - sadly for me, I never seem to make a move until it's made on me first, so I always end up with the type of aforementioned douche.

i do not know any straight guy who would have an issue with a girl making the first move.

-- chicago kevin, Friday, 13 June 2008 15:14 (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

you say this, but once put on the spot you'd be under the assumption that said girl is either A - way too drunk, B - way too forward (ie does this with everyone), or C - mental and to be avoided.

i thought guys got a bit 'twitchy' when girls come on too strong? maybe just me then.

-- Ste, Friday, 13 June 2008 15:22 (1 minute ago) Link

not if they're "hot"

same goes for girls.

-- will, 13 June 2008 15:24 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

U&K & OTM.

some guys can handle it but nice guys (if they are too nice to make the first move themselves) can't. xpost

so if someone expresses interest in you, she must do it to everyone? that comes across as saying either you don't think well of yourself, or any girl who does that is a slut.

nice guys can handle it if the girl makes the first move but a) like gabbneb said it depends on the move and b) sometimes nice guys are also idiots

I think the stereotype that only slutty women are overtly assertive is more enduring in many guys' heads than what they'd care to admit.

Matters of the heart, complex they are.

i do not know any straight guy who would have an issue with a girl making the first move.

-- chicago kevin, Friday, 13 June 2008 15:14 (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

you say this, but once put on the spot you'd be under the assumption that said girl is either A - way too drunk, B - way too forward (ie does this with everyone), or C - mental and to be avoided.

-- the next grozart, Friday, June 13, 2008 10:30 AM (Friday, June 13, 2008 10:30 AM) Bookmark Link

you people are all insane.

-- chicago kevin, Friday, June 13, 2008 10:27 AM (Friday, June 13, 2008 10:27 AM) Bookmark Link

i'm assertive and i don't care if it bothers some people. it hasn't really failed very much in my experience.

I have no issue with girls making first moves (or second or third or infinity). I take it as a sign of good taste and discernment.

I do have a problem with girls making second moves, third, and infinity, because that's one-sided and is the way to insanity. But I see your point :)

why do i keep refreshing and posting? because i'm procrastinating. ugh.

my ex made the first move. still <3 her for doing so.

Maybe we shouldn't view life as chess at all. Or label the first move 0, and is thus null and void.

still agoggle at the idea that level of physical attraction doesn't seem to be a major factor for the success of a 'move' on most people here.

i know lots of "nice"/shy/awkward dudes who got married young, because it only took one girl to go after them and lock that shit down.

is anyone saying it's not? xpost

that would totally work in my favor, jordan!

nothing wrong with it, most of them seem happy.

uhgrrrrrrrr it's always the worst when people think "well, being a doormat didn't work, because girls like dickheads! yeah i'm going to be an asshole now!" The sad thing is, maybe it works, I don't know. Being ugly is definitely more of an advantage than being good looking; the less competitive your sphere in the world is, the easier it is to get along.

also people who would describe themselves as "nice guys" (using the loaded definition of "nice") are probably the biggest assholes out there. selfishness, egotism, etc., but wrapped up in martyr's clothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgsHV9FEJdU

burt wtf are you talking about

I'll tell you one thing: opening doors for little old ladies and helping the blind to see? Yeah, that'll get you nowhere.

Unless you're trying to fuck little old ladies.

I guess.

no, they'll write you off as "too nice."

That's sick, that's obscene.

also people who would describe themselves as "nice guys" (using the loaded definition of "nice") are probably the biggest assholes out there. selfishness, egotism, etc., but wrapped up in martyr's clothing.

I don't this kind of "nice" guy is really what we're talking about here, but I'm definitely familiar with the type. After all, the more uncomfortable someone is with knowing that they're kind of an asshole, the less they're willing to admit it. Especially if the asshole tendencies tend to be camouflaged until the person is feeling too insecure/under stress, and then suddenly you get the "cornered stoat" effect instead of a more reasonable response.

if they're blind, i guess being ugly is out though. like that one flick with cher and dirk kuyt.

so if someone expresses interest in you, she must do it to everyone? that comes across as saying either you don't think well of yourself, or any girl who does that is a slut.

-- Maria, Friday, 13 June 2008 15:33 (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Obviously it's all down to circumstance, and how it's done. Often girls (like many guys) can come off as intimidating and mildly psychotic if they come on too strong. i think this is something a lot of people don't appreciate when out on the pull. Less can often be more, so long as you, y'know take some interest in them and don't get right up in their faces and yap out a million stupid questions at them or w/e.

Often girls (like many guys) can come off as intimidating and mildly psychotic if they come on too strong.

and often they don't.

this just in: extrapolating based on your own experiences doesn't convince anyone that you've discovered a universal truth

try telling that to new parents

i don't know where all this mildly psychotic stuff is coming from? can someone please explain?

Overflow from: Let's anticipate Lil Wayne, "The Carter III"

i don't know where all this mildly psychotic stuff is coming from? can someone please explain?

-- bell_labs, Friday, June 13, 2008 11:28 AM (Friday, June 13, 2008 11:28 AM) Bookmark Link

you people are all insane.

-- chicago kevin, Friday, June 13, 2008 10:27 AM (Friday, June 13, 2008 10:27 AM) Bookmark Link

that's going to be my default response to everything on this thread so i guess i should stop reading it.

wtf this thread

I thought the 'nice guys finish last' referred to men in the world of work and business, not relationships.

btw for some reason when I hear this phrase I picture Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters as said 'nice guy.'

that's when the first place asshole says it as he brushes past Our Hero in his bespoke suit

when self-appointed "nice guys" say it it's in regards to their inability to get laid

when Tuomas says it he means that it is generally unacceptable to be a two-minute man in the sack

I srsly thought this was solely about business and jobs!

dude Louis boinked Janine in the sequel, that dude came out way ahead

Like something like Nice Guys Finish Last: The Importance of Trampling on People's Toes on Your Way to the Top, a Managerial Guide.

<3 Rick Moranis.

He's kind of like the ideal man (Louis, or his character in Little Shop of Horrors).

janine >>>>> dana

Louis Tully vs Louis Jagger

Tully (sorry LJ)

well what are we going by here, niceness, business acumen, or internet personality

one of my friends is in a meh punk band called Louis Tully

I dunno what it is with me and that skanky jersey accent shit
everytime I watch Ghostbusters or My Cousin Vinnie this little light goes on in the upper right of my peripheral vision, like "LAUGHTER" or "APPLAUSE" at a TV taping except instead it just says "BLAP"

haha otm

I dunno what it is with me and that skanky jersey accent shit
everytime I watch Ghostbusters or My Cousin Vinnie this little light goes on in the upper right of my peripheral vision, like "LAUGHTER" or "APPLAUSE" at a TV taping except instead it just says "BLAP"

-- El Tomboto, Friday, June 13, 2008 5:22 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

t(om)-bomb

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826614.100-bad-guys-really-do-get-the-most-girls.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news4_head_mg19826614.100

NICE guys knew it, now two studies have confirmed it: bad boys get the most girls. The finding may help explain why a nasty suite of antisocial personality traits known as the "dark triad" persists in the human population, despite their potentially grave cultural costs.

The traits are the self-obsession of narcissism; the impulsive, thrill-seeking and callous behaviour of psychopaths; and the deceitful and exploitative nature of Machiavellianism. At their extreme, these traits would be highly detrimental for life in traditional human societies. People with these personalities risk being shunned by others and shut out of relationships, leaving them without a mate, hungry and vulnerable to predators.

But being just slightly evil could have an upside: a prolific sex life, says Peter Jonason at New Mexico State University in Las Cruces. "We have some evidence that the three traits are really the same thing and may represent a successful evolutionary strategy."

Jonason and his colleagues subjected 200 college students to personality tests designed to rank them for each of the dark triad traits. They also asked about their attitudes to sexual relationships and about their sex lives, including how many partners they'd had and whether they were seeking brief affairs.
“High 'dark triad' scorers are more likely to try to poach other people's partners for a brief affair”

The study found that those who scored higher on the dark triad personality traits tended to have more partners and more desire for short-term relationships, Jonason reported at the Human Behavior and Evolution Society meeting in Kyoto, Japan, earlier this month. But the correlation only held in males.

James Bond epitomises this set of traits, Jonason says. "He's clearly disagreeable, very extroverted and likes trying new things - killing people, new women." Just as Bond seduces woman after woman, people with dark triad traits may be more successful with a quantity-style or shotgun approach to reproduction, even if they don't stick around for parenting. "The strategy seems to have worked. We still have these traits," Jonason says.

This observation seems to hold across cultures. David Schmitt of Bradley University in Peoria, Illinois, presented preliminary results at the same meeting from a survey of more than 35,000 people in 57 countries. He found a similar link between the dark triad and reproductive success in men. "It is universal across cultures for high dark triad scorers to be more active in short-term mating," Schmitt says. "They are more likely to try and poach other people's partners for a brief affair."

Barbara Oakley of Oakland University in Rochester, Michigan, says that the studies "verify something a lot of people have conjectured about".

Christopher von Rueden of the University of California at Santa Barbara says that the studies are important because they confirm that personality variation has direct fitness consequences.

"They still have to explain why it hasn't spread to everyone," says Matthew Keller of the University of Colorado in Boulder. "There must be some cost of the traits." One possibility, both Keller and Jonason suggest, is that the strategy is most successful when dark triad personalities are rare. Otherwise, others would become more wary and guarded.

One possibility, both Keller and Jonason suggest, is that the strategy is most successful when dark triad personalities are rare. Otherwise, others would become more wary and guarded.

more like otherwise they all just kill each other and wipe out the whole neighborhood in the space of a couple of generations

summary: some men are assholes, but the real problem is women like 'em that way, so women are to blame for the decline of civilization.

number one challop till the end of time

somebody make us a "challenging opinion" olympic gold medal .gif (spinning around in 3d would be optimum) for Spiralli here

proving that Eve was to blame for the fall is an enduring academic discipline.

http://www.animationbuddy.com/Animation/Sports/Awards_and_Trophies/Apple_with_medal.gif

how the fuck was eve NOT to blame for the fall?? unless you get all meta about it. does god approve of meta? i think the baptists at least would tell us he does not.

does god approve of meta?

apparently not

Like Eve forced the apple down Adam's throat or something.

like Eve HAPPENED

i was trying to use the fall as a metaphor but it went over the head of the Where's Waldo? crowd, aka Deeznuts.

i havent been to sunday school in awhile but she caved to satans whims & adam caved to hers, no? satan was a fallen angel therfore genderless - eve was his target because females are more likely to give in to assholes! there cant be any male/female gender relationship analysis there. as spiralli says the central lesson of genesis is that chicks dig dicks & guys should watch their broads.

xp WHAT??

i feel like there's a wall between you two

DG, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the ILX and the LBZC, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! DG, open this gate! DG, tear down this wall!

http://europa.eu/abc/12lessons/images/content_berlin_wall.jpg

Okay, so much for THIS thread! Things that are bad for my blood pressure: A List.

i hear 'i love style' is "taking off like a fucking F1"

#1 MEN
#2 COMMIES
#3 FREEDOM

#1 Stupidity
#2 Organized religion
#3 #1 + #2