What's the most pretentious thing you own?

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Johnney B (Johnney B), Sunday, 14 March 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I think mine is the any of the blues stuff I own from the 20s-20s. That's quite pretentious.

My mate has copy of Beuwolf in the original Medieval, which I think beats my blues a little.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Sunday, 14 March 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know if it's pretentious if you love it and use it. It's pretentious perhaps if you trot them out for people at the slightest opportunity.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 14 March 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

that said, probably my gucci boots or some other designer clothes.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 14 March 2004 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

For the sake of the thread, we'll define pretentious as anything which anyone ELSE would regard as pretentious, even if you like it. In th case of my blues, I specifically DON'T listen to it when there's anyone else in around, because they would think I was showing off, even though I think its grebt.

The same applies to my Ginsberg books.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Sunday, 14 March 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

we'll define pretentious as anything which anyone ELSE would regard as pretentious, even if you like it

Oh right -- my hair, then.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Do we have photoevidence of the pretentious of your hair, Ned?

Johnney B (Johnney B), Sunday, 14 March 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

This is ILX! It's EVERYWHERE!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Today I've been bandying the word pretentious about so much that I no longer know what it means. I think I redefined it my megablogessay as 'either claiming you're God's chosen people, or claiming you're working for the general good'. In which case my most pretentious possession would have to be a copy of The Bible, since the Old Testament meets the first definition and the New the second.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 14 March 2004 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Hang on Momus, you can't just steal my thread and redefine my terms as you see fit. "claiming your working for general good" indeed! An untranslated Beowolf is undoubtably pretentious, but doesn't fit eiother half of your definition, so nuh-nuh! *sticks tongue out*

Besides, since you make a living out of being pretentious (I mean this in a good way) I guess you're kinda exempt from the question to start with.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Sunday, 14 March 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

But even someone who makes a living from being pretentious can have a 'most pretentious thing', surely? Or does the bullshit detector needle just jam in the red the moment you hold it up to my house?

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 14 March 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

It would have to be my '65 Rolls.

Skottie, Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0631197702.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0631197702.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

These days, pretentious is all about the stuff you *don't* own though, innit?

Kim (Kim), Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Like the environment-destroying car I don't drive? *preens*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I only own it once. I'm not that pretentious. Stupid sodding IE.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Admitedly not owning a tv is kind of done now - we're back to watching - but it's only because of "The Office".

Kim (Kim), Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, but you can just get DVDs for that, which reminds me that I finally need to indulge...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I own a widescreen TV and a DVD player, but no aerial.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno. My Armani glasses, probably?

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got a big Chinese paintbrush hanging up on the wall. I don't know why. It's mint.

Bunged Up. (Jake Proudlock), Sunday, 14 March 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

A skateboard I haven't used in maybe eight years -- and I couldn't do shit on it even when I did.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 14 March 2004 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a tie. Either the television that I don't own (because my family never had one while i was growing up and it's just not something that i'm used to) or the copy of Being and Nothingness sitting on my bookshelf (that I never made it all the way through, but took to a coffee shop once).

mouse, Sunday, 14 March 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a lot of music and recording equipment that I haven't used in a year or more, but they are locked away and aren't ostentatiously on display.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 14 March 2004 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/2253053511.08.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

daria g (daria g), Sunday, 14 March 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Lovingly framed print of the Sex Pistols performing in Baton Rouge, LA by photog/cool cat Bob Gruen.

Slavishly framed original, signed illustration of Iggy Pop and Cop Shoot Cop by legally embattled cartoonist "Dirty Danny" Hellman.

And this silly and utterly needless space-filler...

http://www.canoe.ca/AlbumCoversS/thestooges_funhousesessions.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.decofinder.com/vig/66/66325.jpg

Ed (dali), Sunday, 14 March 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

probably my stupid book cases. Not the cases themselves, not any individual book, but the sheery stupid mass of books. I have too many books, and I only keep them around because they fool people who come over into thinking I'm smart, and then I knock 'em on the head and steal their money.

Huck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.harvard-magazine.com/issues/ja98/art/norton/greenblatbook.jpg

O.Leee.B. (Leee), Sunday, 14 March 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0060928832.01._PE30_PIdp-schmoo2,TopRight,7,-
I read the whole thing

Sym (shmuel), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

if you were a post-graduate student of any sort, then it's guaranteed that you have an entire bookshelf full of pretentious shit.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe my collection of industrial clip art, which I don't own for any reason other than that it's cool-looking.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

carlyle's 2 vol on the french revolution.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0415267374.02.MZZZZZZZ

or

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc900/c979/c9799051697.jpg

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

http://i24.ebayimg.com/03/i/01/76/08/34_1.JPG

LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Postgraduate students in the life sciences don't accumulate books like that. Some get pretentious photos of places they have been.

I have three records but no record player. Which is pretty pretentious.


isadora (isadora), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

no-one's gonna do the obvious thing (for ILX, anyway) and say it, so i'll say it:

A MOMUS CD!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

just one?

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll see you the levinas and raise you benjamin's "arcades project" and the pleiade mallarme.

mike bott, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.ringofcollectors.com/Images/ToyFair2003Pics/Mattel/TF2003MattHeMan19.jpg

LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

http://elseware.to/images/lite_brite.jpg

LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0816612870.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.danielbuck.net/images/wip/guitar.jpg

LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Jon do you actually own that turtles blimp? I take back all the horrible things I've said.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.1000steine.de/users/brickset/images/6930-1.jpg

LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

My iPod's FM transmitter because now, I can hijack the party's PA with it!

Wait. Is the object or the act in itself pretentious. Eh, either way....

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

admins should be able to do this to thread imho
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LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't actually own the turtle blimp

LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I have Public Image Ltd.'s Metal Box...in all its inaccessible, hard-to-open-without-scratching-either-your-fingernails-or-the-vinyl-contained-therein glory.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a calendar which has a 6 day week but 61 weeks in the year.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know if this makes me pretentious or just a pathetic fanboy dick (or potentially both), but I have this...

http://www.studio-c.co.uk/maliciousdamage/graphics/clock.jpg

No self-respecting Killing Joke fan should be without. Goes backwards and everything.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"includes a certifate"?!?!?!!?

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Certifying your fate since 1980.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex you are a seriously beautiful human being, and if I still had the "what's THIS for?" badge I wore on my blaze when I were a young'n, I would send it you post-haste

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a monkey skull in my bedroom (my aunt got it while visiting Africa). It's only for show, I don't ever use it.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

a "light sculpture"?

http://www.designboom.com/portrait/noguchi/akari5.jpg

or "Fragements for a History of the Human Body, Parts 1–3"?

http://ndm.si.edu/EXHIBITIONS/mixingmessages/essay/publish/art/p_a.mau.jpg

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone with a Chihuly book/poster

LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

A grey flat cap.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Or my Funkmaster Flex shoes.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

They're lame-pretentious. lamentious.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

LAYM-entious, or la-MEN-tious? The latter folds your lament right in. Either way, it's my new favorite word.

I think the most pretentious thing I own is the Haruki Murakami book in Russian, a language I can't read. It has a giant yellow mutant baby skull on the cover, peering down at Microsoft and Nikon logos.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a moose antler.

jim wentworth (wench), Monday, 15 March 2004 05:47 (twenty-two years ago)

ouf! I have Mallarme but it's an edition de poche, not the Pleiade! OK, I'll put up..

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/2020349175.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

daria g (daria g), Monday, 15 March 2004 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wait, it gets better

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0826459560.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

daria g (daria g), Monday, 15 March 2004 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Most art books are pretty much usually pretentious. I have a couple, also I have some books in French, German, Gaelic, Finnish, etc. (but these are all in boxes, right now)

I would say the bible is the least pretentious thing I own. It may be that owning/reading it may be part of "claiming you're God's chosen people, or claiming you're working for the general good" But that ain't unjustified.

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 15 March 2004 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"song cycle" until i threw it away (read: gave to a rabid "pet sounds" fan)

the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 15 March 2004 07:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Back issues of the New Yorker strewn about my apartment. When I tidy up, I like to put a couple on the coffee table.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 15 March 2004 07:31 (twenty-two years ago)

My large collection of edgy style mags from the mid-nineties to the present day.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 15 March 2004 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

There's always my even larger collection of edgy style mags, the (tubular, beige) Issey Miyake skirt I never wear, an entire run of Marukami paperbacks on the shelf which arrived from the publisher en masse and remain unread, countless coffee table-sized art books, and about a million press releases for English translations/editions of books by twentysomething young Asians about ancient and harrowing tales of transgressive love.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 15 March 2004 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahahahaha, Suzy you sound just like Annie Robinson when she was on that daft US road trip with her daughter last night! Marvellous! Have you ever dyed your hair titian?

Sarah (starry), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm afraid I have little interest in Anne Robinson or her daughter, compelling as the BBC commissioning editors may have found them.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

i have most of the books mentioned on this thread, in addition to a large chunk of clowes, and a 4 foot by 4 foot poster of foccualt.

anthony, Monday, 15 March 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"Un Cien Andalou" and "L'age Dor" on Video...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you remember that interview with Dave Stewart, where he said his favourite film was "Large Door"?

Serves him right...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 March 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

My La Pavoni coffee machine. Barely used since it discharged the full steam pressure on my arm last year, blowing a big hole in it a couple of weeks since I went on holiday...

http://store5.yimg.com/I/pavoni_1777_347839

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 15 March 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

All my philosophy & Baffler books

also, one called "The History of Stupidity"

Kingfish Cowboy (Kingfish), Monday, 15 March 2004 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

An 11x17 print of myself in profile, framed, hanging right at the front door so that it's the first thing people see when they walk in. So that they'll say to themselves, "I am now in the presence of Huck and Huck's stuff." And they shall be humbled.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 15 March 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Metal Machine Music original vinyl

one of Fast Records 'meaning of life' conceptual 'art' packages: like a Lucky Bag but without the luck

signed ltd edition HR Giger print, framed and behind non-reflecting glass

TG24 boxed set

original 100-only TG 'lightning bolt' sew-on patch

a black lacquered-wood abacus that i don't know how to use

rushdie's 'The Satanic Verses' - bought purely in spite/protest

ken kesey's 'Demonbox' - bought purely because i wanted to have that spine/title on my bookshelves

moog 'source' synth - bought PURELY TO STOP SOMEONE ELSE HAVING IT

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Nothing.

the beefox, Monday, 15 March 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/images/c/clouddead/clouddead.gif

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 15 March 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

daria makes my heart glad.

mike bott, Monday, 15 March 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a wall-size poster of the Italian release of Ghost & Mr Chicken in my hallway.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 15 March 2004 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

The pinefox stole my answer.

I think if I had anything that other people would construe as pretentious, then I still wouldn't. But I have a load of mundane old crap, so it's unlikely that any of it would be seen as pretentious.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 15 March 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe an eight-track just to listen to "The Carpenters Greatest Hits" on?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 15 March 2004 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

my Lil Jon mixtape I bought this weekend in New York

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Grand Royal #2

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

my job

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.smbhq.com/marionet.jpg

LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Why are so many people rushing to show off about how pretentious they are? "Look at me, I'm a wanker! And I'm proud of it!"

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

. . . she says, as she posts to ILE

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

b-but there's being a wanker and then there's threads like this which might as well be titled "how big is the neon sign over your head that says "I'm a Wanker"?"

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Wank guilt. (x-post)

Barima (Barima), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"Wanking in Rhythm and Sorrow"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"there's something wrong with being pretentious."

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't tell you what it is.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.bean.co.jp/hobby/snoopy/peanuts-figurine/title.jpg

LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I totally want those.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.lionking.org/~ryan/lionking/concept/fanart/mtg-nala.jpg

LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.nbmpub.com/comicslit/mckean/cagecov.jpg

O.Leee.B. (Leee), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.fotomundo.com/tecnic/equipos/leicam7/leica.jpg

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 06:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i own all of you so...

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)

There is nothing pretentious about a leica, It's a tool of such outstanding utility.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

does having all ten of the individual issues of cages (one of them signed) make me more or less pretentious than o.leee.b?

andy

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

So all of you are saying that you own these things purely to show off, imply how cool you are, get one over your rivals, etc.?

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

My pretensions to learning can be surmised by my owning a complete set of the Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition, calf-bound with gilt edges. (My mom gave it to me after her father died.)

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

"for fuck's sake son, get real!"

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The Leica is more than a little silly, as it's worth more than my life. (Thankyou NFL playoffs/Mr. Bookie-man)

I'm actually going to have to take out a special insurance policy, because I'll never afford another one if it gets jacked.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i have both the drums only and the vocals only versions of Mt. Eerie by the microphones on vinyl. is that pretentious? also, some plates of german expressionist art that i stole out of art books in the library are on my bedroom wall (i know, stealing from the library is wrong, but i only took plates of pictures that could be found in other books in the same library).

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Gerry Frank's Where to Find It, Buy It, Eat It, in New York: 1986-87 Edition (published 1985). Poorly written, sub-Zagat restaurant reviews intended for dimwitted tourists and grandmas -- maybe three percent of these places still exist. Needless to say I treasure this.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

does having all ten of the individual issues of cages (one of them signed) make me more or less pretentious than o.leee.b?

Hella more pretentious man, I bow down. BUT, McKean did do a kat drawing on the inside cover of mine.

O.Leee.B. (Leee), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

More than one beret.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

This is really fun. I kinda feel like if I declare certain items as pretentious, the rest of the stuff around here seems more normal. Oh shit, I just found the worst one too. I haven't even cut the pages, I don't know what I was thinking because I'm not a fan of Derrida, but:

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/2718605049.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

There are a lot of pencil drawings of ambiguous folded material taking up full pages & gigantic margins in which one or the other has added medieval-style glosses to the text. gaaah. Also note that Cixous has signed herself "Cixoux" here and I've no idea why.

daria g (daria g), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

after talking about it with an ILX0R tonight, i decided it is the Ciccone Youth LP.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 07:49 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...
http://www.welcomemagazine.com/images/articles/queenm07_00.jpg

Dada, Monday, 5 April 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon, is that Nala thing real? Can we have a thread where we talk about how we own all these useless decaying bits of paper which just sit there gradually declining in value?

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Monday, 5 April 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmmmmmmm

maybe my damien hirst book.. the really big one he put out
my polaroid sx 70 that i bought and have never ever used.
my portfolio
i have alot of pretentious art books
i also have alot of old vice back issues i can't bring myself to sell or get rid of yet, even though i stopped reading that magazine a very long time ago.

sunjammerr, Monday, 5 April 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

has to be the white baby

(will), Monday, 5 April 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)


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