By GINA HOLLAND
WASHINGTON (AP) - A defiant Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia refused Thursday to remove himself from a case involving his good friend, Vice President Dick Cheney, dismissing suggestions of a conflict of interest.
In an unusual 21-page memorandum, he rejected a request by the Sierra Club. The environmental group said it was improper for Scalia to take a hunting trip with Cheney while the court was considering whether the White House must release information about private meetings of Cheney's energy task force.
Scalia said the remote Louisiana hunting camp used for a duck hunting and fishing trip "was not an intimate setting" and that the energy case was never discussed.
The justice said he was guilty only of hunting with a friend and taking a free plane ride to get there. "If it is reasonable to think that a Supreme Court justice can be bought so cheap, the nation is in deeper trouble than I had imagined," Scalia wrote.
"My recusal is required if ... my impartiality might reasonably be questioned," he said. "Why would that result follow from my being in a sizable group of persons, in a hunting camp with the vice president, where I never hunted with him in the same blind or had other opportunity for private conversation?"
Given the circumstances of the trip, Scalia wrote, the only possible reason for recusal would be his friendship with Cheney.
"A rule that required members of this court to remove themselves from cases in which the official actions of friends were at issue would be utterly disabling," Scalia wrote.
Many Supreme Court justices get their jobs "precisely because they were friends of the incumbent president or other senior officials," he wrote.
Supreme Court justices, unlike judges on other courts, decide for themselves if they have conflicts, and their decisions are final.
The Sierra Club is suing to get information about private meetings of Cheney's energy task force. The court agreed in December to hear the case, and three weeks later Scalia and Cheney flew together on a government jet to the hunting camp of a multimillionaire oil-services tycoon.
Pressure on Scalia to stay out of the case had mounted, with calls from dozens of newspapers for the conservative Reagan administration appointee to recuse himself to protect the court's image of impartiality.
The Sierra Club asked for Scalia's recusal in February, pointing to the "American public's great concern about the continuing damage this affair is doing to the prestige and credibility of this court."
There was no obligation for Scalia to explain his decision, but he did in the 21-page memo. He said he will recuse himself when "on the basis of established principles and practices, I have said or done something which requires this course." He said the hunting trip to Louisiana was planned before the energy case reached the court.
Those "established principles and practices" do not require or even permit him to step aside in the Cheney case, Scalia wrote.
The Supreme Court arguments in the case are scheduled for April 27.
In addition to the Sierra Club, Democrats in Congress and some legal ethicists have called on Scalia to stay out of the case.
Scalia noted in his memo that he has stepped aside in another case this term _ one testing the constitutionality of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools. The decision came after he criticized the lower court ruling during a speech at a religious rally.
For the first time, Scalia revealed details of his trip with Cheney.
Scalia said he was the go-between to invite Cheney to hunt with a Scalia friend, Wallace Carline, who owns an oil rig services firm, Scalia wrote. Scalia and Cheney are friends from their days working in the Ford administration, Scalia noted.
"I conveyed the invitation, with my own warm recommendation, in the spring of 2003 and received an acceptance," Scalia wrote.
When the time came for the trip, Scalia and Cheney flew together, accompanied by one of Scalia's sons and a son-in-law, Scalia wrote.
The case is Cheney v. United States District Court for the District of Columbia, 03-475.
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Scalia: "No, no, no. We won't discuss the case while were up there in the woods, depending on each other. Huddling together for warmth in a cramped log cabin in the woods... talking for hours on end... getting to know each other intimately... "
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)
I do think its amazing that the supreme court nightmare that people were predicting on Bush's first term didnt happen. Its almost inevitable if he wins in '04, however.
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 18 March 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― andy, Thursday, 18 March 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)
Whether Scalia and Cheney never spoke on the hunting trip or whether they fellated each other nightly doesn't make any difference. In the first case there's a 100% chance he votes in Cheney's favor, in the second case the chance rises to 100%. Big deal. It's the same with Clarence Thomas, same with JP Stevens and Breyer. My guess is that O'Connor's the only one who needs to read this case beyond the title to decide how she's voting.
― yossarian, Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)
interestingly, this reminds me of my immediate thoughts after bush v. gore -- that justices breyer and souter were the only two justices who really approached the case in a non-partisan manner. (i've always been of the opinion that o'connor is just rehnquist in drag, anyway.)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)
Subsection (a), the provision at issue here (of 28 USC § 455), was an entirely new "catch-all" recusal provision, covering both "interest or relationship" and "bias or prejudice" grounds, see Liljeberg v. Health Services Acquisition Corp., 486 U.S. 847 (1988) - but requiring them all to be evaluated on an objective basis, so that what matters is not the reality of bias or prejudice, but its appearance. Quite simply and quite universally, recusal was required whenever "impartiality might reasonably be questioned."
haw haw haw
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 19 March 2004 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)
especially not in that order
― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 19 March 2004 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)
Is it just me or is Rehnquist's whole thing with the racing stripes a bit strange? It isn't a part of the standard chief justice appearal, William just thinks they look bitchin.
― earlnash, Friday, 19 March 2004 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)
(* -- we've gotta be optimistic, folks!)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 19 March 2004 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 March 2004 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 19 March 2004 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 March 2004 05:30 (twenty-two years ago)
You have a much higher opinion of Justice O'Connor than I have, and a higher one than the facts warrant.
Stories I have heard from a couple of his former clerks indicate to me that Scalia is truly, deeply weird, and my one brief ecounter with him was hardly impressive or pleasant.
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 19 March 2004 07:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 19 March 2004 07:50 (twenty-two years ago)
his disregard of legal precedent is really audacious, and stupid
he's really the textbook example of an 'activist judge', you know, that kind bushco are always complaining about
sigh i wish more people cared about their country, if they did this guy's prescence on the supreme court would be enough to send his coconspirators packing
― !!!! (amateurist), Friday, 19 March 2004 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62514-2004Apr8.html
― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― ModJ (ModJ), Friday, 9 April 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)
the 1st amendment is for me, but not for thee.
remember, folks, that whatever john kerry's other faults may be ... at least he won't choose scalia to be the next chief justice, or put more scalia clones into the federal courts.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 10 April 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 10 April 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)
"She is always very careful in her remarks," Rodgers said. "I've never heard her address cases that are in front of the court. So I don't see any evidence of her violating her impartiality."
Um, yeah. I guess "impartiality" is a reliably liberal vote.
― don carville weiner, Saturday, 10 April 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)
If Justice Ginsberg were taken on expenses-paid vacations paid for by NOW, or flying to her vacations for free on an airplane provided by NOW, I would demand that she recuse herself from any cases in which NOW figured as the plaintiff or the defendent. By gum, I surely would! After all, certain principles are far more important to uphold than the outcome of a single case.
― Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 10 April 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)
The point is that the goalposts are moveable for many, when they shouldn't be. I'm pretty certain that the only people defending Ginsberg's actions are those who are sympathetic or supportive of her votes on the Court. I am suspicious of this.
People like you point out that Scalia's refusal to recuse himself is not the same as Ginsberg's relationship with the NOW defense fund. I disagree. To me, there is either impartiality or there is not. There is no good reason for Ginsberg to associate with this group given her position. None. Why invite the appearance of impropriety?
Start switching names around...let's say change NOW with the NRA and Ginsberg with Scalia. Would you feel the same way if you read this quote?
"Two weeks before the event, the Supreme Court voted unanimously with women's rights advocates in a case that tested a state's duty to provide medical screening for low-income children. The legal defense fund filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the case on what turned out to be the winning side"
― don carville weiner, Saturday, 10 April 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 10 April 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)
Uh, yeah. Exactly. I'm not and didn't condone Scalia. He has no excuses. But neither does Ginsberg. Just because Scalia was more egregious doesn't mean I'm going to watch a pass be given out to Ginsberg. We should hawk over all Justices, not just the ones we are idealogically (or otherwise) opposed to.
― don carville weiner, Saturday, 10 April 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)
Here's the lead paragraph from the linked article:
"Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has lent her name and presence to a lecture series cosponsored by the liberal NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund, an advocacy group that often argues before the court in support of women's rights that the justice embraces."
The crux here is "argues before the court". I suspect that means that NOW files briefs in cases that it finds of interest, rather than that NOW is the plaintiff, defrendent or official legal representative of either principal. My reaction is, so what?
If Scalia belongs to the Elks and a case against the Boy Scouts falls under his review where the Elks express an interest in the outcome and file a brief, I DON'T CARE if he recuses himself.
Large segments of the population have a stake in the outcome of most US Supreme Court cases, since they settle general precedents on broad legal issues. It would be crazy to expect a justice not to have predispositions and opinions already formed on these issues. We don't want idiots for justices.
Nor would I be bnothered by a social connection as simple as belonging to the Elks. Heck, I wouldn't care if Scalia had been a Boy Scout himself or a troop leader. In that case, he'd give a better-informed decision.
But, if Scalia were a board member of the Boy Scouts, or a close personal friend or relative of a board member, or was in the habit of getting substantial gifts from the Boy Scouts he had better recuse himself. The idea is that strong ties (family, money, close friendship) create such a strong partiality that society must presume it will affect one's judgement for reasons having nothing to do with social good and everything to do with personal connections.
This sort of article is just shit, don. It purposefully clouds what is a very clear issue. Impartiality doesn't consist of a blank mind. If Justice Ginsberg believes NOW promotes the good of society by strengthening values she believes in, that is not partiality in the sense of the Scalia case, and comes nowhere near to harming society.
― Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 11 April 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)
Scalia Apologizes for Recording Erasure
― bnw (bnw), Monday, 12 April 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 12 April 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― don carville weiner, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)
Now it all becomes so clear...
― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)
new biography http://wamu.org/programs/dr/ (can't figure out how to permalink today's show!)i don't think i'd be interested in reading this though tbh
― harbl, Thursday, 17 December 2009 19:17 (sixteen years ago)
Scalia's novel interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 03:51 (fifteen years ago)
I think "die in a fire" is an overused expression, but Scalia should go die in a fire.
― not the sort of person who would wind up in a landfill (Nicole), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 03:59 (fifteen years ago)
Certainly the Constitution does not require discrimination on the basis of sex. The only issue is whether it prohibits it. It doesn't.
Please go back to 1789 so that you can be dead by now, OK?
― sleeve, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 04:05 (fifteen years ago)
Funny argument upthread about Scalia duck hunting with Cheney. I cared less about it after learning how intimate FDR and William O. Douglas were (poker playing drinking buddies, and Douglas was one of FDR's picks for veep in '44).
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 04:08 (fifteen years ago)
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/tristero-not-shocking-at-all.html
by tristero
Apparently, some folks are genuinely shocked that a Supreme Court justice could so profoundly misread the crystal clear words of the Constitution. I don't see why. Scalia doesn't understand the Declaration of Independence either.
I realize that this flies in the face of widely held conventional wisdom but I can't escape the conclusion that when it comes to understanding the founding documents of the United States, Scalia is a mediocre intellect. If that.
On the other hand, if we were to agree that this man really is as brilliant as Everyone says. then that can only mean that Scalia is deliberately misreading these documents to make them say the very opposite of what Jefferson, et al, clearly wrote. Furthermore, it can only mean that a justice of the Supreme Court is, for reasons we can only guess at, consciously adopting a distinctly un-American, if not blatantly anti-American, bias both to his judiicial philosophy and to his rulings. In other words, to believe that Scalia really is smart enough to understand the founding documents, and therefore deliberately misread them, is to believe that he is an activist, a reactionary, and a royalist openly seeking the destruction of this country.
And I certainly wouldn't want to think that was possible of anyone with such authority or power.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:37 (fifteen years ago)
It's not about nine superannuated judges who have been there too long, imposing these demands on society.
Or at least two.
― it also takes hip-hip with it (Eric H.), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:42 (fifteen years ago)
can't we slip this asshole some arsenic already or something
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:54 (fifteen years ago)
I friggin' dare all those grizzly mamas to call for the Republicans to pass one of those law things in those state legislature things in whatever number necessary add an amendment to the Constitution banning discrimination on the basis of gender so that Toni can start living in the early 20th century instead of the 18th.
― Please fetishize responsibly (Michael White), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:02 (fifteen years ago)
Um, he already does: he's got 10 kids, smokes in his SCOTUS office, and belongs to Opus Dei.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:15 (fifteen years ago)
I dunno what's worse, the loose canon arrogance of Scalia or the more insidious Roberts.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 18:40 (fifteen years ago)
so tell me SCOTUS nerds, is Alito generally the most palatable four cons?
― my little pony prophecy (will), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 18:49 (fifteen years ago)
No.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:47 (fifteen years ago)
I don't follow the Court as closely as I should to have an informed opinion but my kneejerk reaction of Scalia, Alito, Thomas and Roberts is that by process of elimination Roberts has to be the least awful.
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:51 (fifteen years ago)
Roberts seems to be the sneakiest to me--he smiles while quietly deciding to see how he and his majority can push things. I don't find any of the 4 acceptable, and I'm not crazy about A. Kennedy who often votes with them.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:57 (fifteen years ago)
i guess i know the least about Alito.
― my little pony prophecy (will), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 19:59 (fifteen years ago)
anyway, that digbysblog post upthread otm (from my admittedly ignorant vantage point).
― my little pony prophecy (will), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 20:01 (fifteen years ago)
Reporting from Washington—The justice was served.
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia was ticketed by U.S. Park Police after being found responsible for a four-car traffic accident on his way to the high court Tuesday morning.
The incident occurred just before 9 a.m. on the southbound George Washington Parkway across the Potomac River from Washington in Virginia. Scalia reportedly rear-ended another driver who had stopped in traffic, and two other vehicles followed behind. No one was injured.
Scalia was handed a $70 fine for the infraction of following too closely. The justice, in his 25th year on the nation's highest court, can appeal the fine to a U.S. magistrate if he chooses, according to a Park Police spokesman, while acknowledging that was unlikely.
"He probably hasn't a clue how to contest a traffic ticket," David Schlosser, the spokesman, joked.
He added that it's not unusual for area law enforcement to handle infractions like this involving high profile government officials.
"It was a busy traffic area," Schlosser said. "It just happens."
The incident further snarled the area's already notorious rush-hour gridlock. But Scalia ultimately reached the court on time for arguments in a gender discrimination case against shopping giant Wal-Mart.
― buzza, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 05:17 (fifteen years ago)
a bit surprised he has no driver, but i guess it would be harder to honk and tell people to f off from the back seat.
― this country is domed (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 05:31 (fifteen years ago)
would love to get a few quotes from the person he rear ended
― timbo slice (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 05:37 (fifteen years ago)
they should sue
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 05:38 (fifteen years ago)
sounds like the beginning of a readers digest mail-in joke tbh
― timbo slice (D-40), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 05:43 (fifteen years ago)
was the person he rear-ended homosexual?
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 11:08 (fifteen years ago)
― this country is domed (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 06:31 (5 hours ago)
maybe he did have a driver and he was getting all fw murnau on them beforehand
― kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 11:15 (fifteen years ago)
Wish the police would have handcuffed him and brought him in. It would have served him right re his recent vote as part of a 5 to 4 majority taking away a financial judgment to an exonerated person who was on death row wrongly because the New Orleans DA office hid evidence.
His sarcastic comments in the Walmart oral arguments yesterday bugged me too.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 12:36 (fifteen years ago)
noooo not sarcasm
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 12:55 (fifteen years ago)
scalia is often admired for his wit even by those who generally disagree w/him, tho imo regardless of how funny he is you cant really argue that the world wouldnt be a better place today if he had died yesterday
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:59 (fifteen years ago)
scalia is often admired for his wit even by those who generally disagree w/him
i've read some of his decisions and i think his wit is highly overrated. maybe you have to be there.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:10 (fifteen years ago)
yeah i cant say ive personally encountered hit famous wit, but people do talk abt it ime, he seems more like just the worst guy to me
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:13 (fifteen years ago)
scalia writes some gangster decisions... maybe it wouldnt occur to me to praise his 'wit' but whatever, he owns
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:36 (fifteen years ago)
Pretty sure nothing in the Constitution says anything about giving out tickets after a car wreck.
― http://tinyurl.com/vroooo0ooooom (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:50 (fifteen years ago)
what i find most noticeable about his decisions is he seems like one of those guys who, when someone disagrees with him, his immediate response is "hey, i have a theory as to why you disagree with me, it's because you're a fucking idiot."
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:08 (fifteen years ago)
funny that's my immediate response to most of his rulings
― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:11 (fifteen years ago)
i've met one of his kids. dude was exactly the type of prick you'd expect.
― dynamicinterface, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:29 (fifteen years ago)
9 kids.
Justice Scalia was an only child with no cousins. “I had a very secure feeling,” he said. As an adult, he took a different tack. Maureen and Nino Scalia had nine children, whom Stahl characterized as “all conservative, all successful.” How she defined those traits we really don’t know, besides her listing some of their careers. But what did become clear is that the justice did not appear to be an active daily presence in his kids’ activities. Scalia “didn’t go to the soccer games and the piano recitals and things,” Stahl said. “You know, my parents never did it for me,” Scalia said. “And I didn’t take it personally. ‘Oh Daddy, come to my softball game.’ No, I mean, it’s my softball game. He has his work. I got my softball game. Of course, (Maureen) was very loyal. She went to all the games.”
Description refers to a '60 Minutes' tv show piece
http://blogs.wsj.com/juggle/2008/04/28/nine-kids-but-no-soccer-games-for-justice-scalia/
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:50 (fifteen years ago)
In oral argument I find Roberts' dry quips a lot funnier than Scalia, who craves attention so badly that he'll talk over anybody (including his fellow conservatives).
As for his opinions, clear evidence exists that he permanently alienated Sandra Day O'Connor after he said about one of her own opinions "this is not to be taken seriously."
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:52 (fifteen years ago)
Put them up in front of Strom Thurmond (83 years young in this clip) and anyone's going to appear charming.
― http://tinyurl.com/vroooo0ooooom (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:03 (fifteen years ago)
And the hits just keep coming...
Many Americans think badly of the government because of “gridlock” in Washington. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is not one of them.Americans “should learn to love gridlock,” he told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday. “The framers (of the Constitution) would say, yes, ‘That’s exactly the way we set it up. We wanted power contradicting power (to prevent) an excess of legislation.' ''And that was in 1787, he added. They “didn’t know what an excess of legislation was.”Scalia, the longest-serving justice, contrasted the American system to those of governments in Europe, and he said this country’s Constitution is better because it provides for an independent president, an independent judiciary and two independent branches of Congress."I hear Americans nowadays ... talk about dysfunctional government because there’s disagreement,” he said. If they understood the Constitution, he continued, they can “learn to love the separation of powers, which means learning to love gridlock, which the framers believed would be the main protection of minorities.”Scalia discounted the importance of the Bill of Rights and its protection for freedom of speech and the press. “Every banana republic has a Bill of Rights,” he said. Those are “just words on paper.” It depends on the “structure of government,” including independent courts, to enforce the rights of individuals.The Senate committee invited Scalia and Justice Stephen G. Breyer to talk about the role of judges, and the two carried on a two-hour conversation about their views of the Constitution and the law. In recent years, they have conducted their own debate over whether the justices should rely on the original meaning of the Constitution in deciding cases. Breyer said judges needed to start with the “values” set in the Constitution, but need to update them to take account of modern times.Scalia said he wanted no part of it. “I’m hoping the living Constitution will die,” he said.
Americans “should learn to love gridlock,” he told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday. “The framers (of the Constitution) would say, yes, ‘That’s exactly the way we set it up. We wanted power contradicting power (to prevent) an excess of legislation.' ''
And that was in 1787, he added. They “didn’t know what an excess of legislation was.”
Scalia, the longest-serving justice, contrasted the American system to those of governments in Europe, and he said this country’s Constitution is better because it provides for an independent president, an independent judiciary and two independent branches of Congress.
"I hear Americans nowadays ... talk about dysfunctional government because there’s disagreement,” he said. If they understood the Constitution, he continued, they can “learn to love the separation of powers, which means learning to love gridlock, which the framers believed would be the main protection of minorities.”
Scalia discounted the importance of the Bill of Rights and its protection for freedom of speech and the press. “Every banana republic has a Bill of Rights,” he said. Those are “just words on paper.” It depends on the “structure of government,” including independent courts, to enforce the rights of individuals.
The Senate committee invited Scalia and Justice Stephen G. Breyer to talk about the role of judges, and the two carried on a two-hour conversation about their views of the Constitution and the law.
In recent years, they have conducted their own debate over whether the justices should rely on the original meaning of the Constitution in deciding cases. Breyer said judges needed to start with the “values” set in the Constitution, but need to update them to take account of modern times.
Scalia said he wanted no part of it. “I’m hoping the living Constitution will die,” he said.
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:20 (fourteen years ago)
He's such a tool.
― What does one wear to a summery execution? Linen? (Michael White), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:22 (fourteen years ago)
Many Americans think badly of the government because of “gridlock” in Washington. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is not one of them.Americans “should learn to love gridlock,” he told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday. “The framers (of the Constitution) would say, yes, ‘That’s exactly the way we set it up. We wanted power contradicting power (to prevent) an excess of legislation.' ''And that was in 1787, he added. They “didn’t know what an excess of legislation was.”
So by the principle of substitution, "The framers (of the Constitution) would say, yes, ‘That’s exactly the way we set it up. We wanted power contradicting power (to prevent) something we've never heard of.' ''
― You people are supposed to be some kind of music culture intelligentsi (Phil D.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)
Eh, he's right in the abstract: the Framers did want a republic that relied as much on the tension between the three branches of government* as it did on the participation of the ruling class. But dismissing the Bill of Rights as an extra-constitutional superfluity dovetails so nicely with Scalia's views.
* Two, really, since SCOTUS was a joke the first ten years of the Republic.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 October 2011 14:00 (fourteen years ago)
have scalia or thomas ever commented on the fact that judicial review isn't actually in the constitution?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 8 October 2011 00:03 (fourteen years ago)
"Judicial" is a rather complicated word for Thomas to spell.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 October 2011 00:16 (fourteen years ago)
Nino has a new book out.
Justice Scalia writes, for instance, that he has little use for a central precedent the Obama administration has cited to justify the health care law under the Constitution’s commerce clause, Wickard v. Filburn.
In that 1942 decision, Justice Scalia writes, the Supreme Court “expanded the Commerce Clause beyond all reason” by ruling that “a farmer’s cultivation of wheat for his own consumption affected interstate commerce and thus could be regulated under the Commerce Clause.”
That position is good evidence, particularly when coupled with Justice Scalia’s skeptical questioning at the arguments in the health care case in March, that the administration will not capture his vote.
Justice Scalia’s treatment of the Wickard case had been far more respectful in his judicial writings. In the book’s preface, he explains (referring to himself in the third person) that he “knows that there are some, and fears that there may be many, opinions that he has joined or written over the past 30 years that contradict what is written here.” Some inconsistencies can be explained by respect for precedent, he writes, others “because wisdom has come late.”
“Worse still,” he writes, he “does not swear that the opinions that he joins or writes in the future will comply with what is written here,” for the first two reasons “or because a judge must remain open to persuasion by counsel.”
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 June 2012 11:58 (thirteen years ago)
btw peeps be prepared to hold your breaths when the U.S. Supreme Court is revived in the next two weeks
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 June 2012 12:02 (thirteen years ago)
bumping in preparation for thursday
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 01:38 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/scalia4.jpg
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 01:59 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/07/writing-with-antonin-scalia-grammar-nerd.html
― Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Monday, 16 July 2012 21:21 (thirteen years ago)
On his dissents.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 July 2012 21:29 (thirteen years ago)
i'm so gonna read that DFW essay mentioned in my link
― Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Monday, 16 July 2012 21:29 (thirteen years ago)
Garner, unlike Scalia, identifies as pro-choice and favors legalizing gay marriage. He’s against prayer in public school, favors gun control, and, as he states in “Reading Law,” “deplores the Second Amendment.” ..."And yet,” Garner said, “Justice Scalia and I have not yet found a case that we would decide differently. We begin and end with the words of the text.”
"And yet,” Garner said, “Justice Scalia and I have not yet found a case that we would decide differently. We begin and end with the words of the text.”
what a sad existence
― Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Monday, 16 July 2012 21:31 (thirteen years ago)
"And Justice Scalia gives very good text," Garner said, blushing.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 July 2012 21:32 (thirteen years ago)
What about the cases where Scalia changed his mind?
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 16 July 2012 21:36 (thirteen years ago)
What he said to Piers Morgan.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2012 12:43 (thirteen years ago)
I can see why he's considered formidable if you don't agree with him. I watched the full hour, and the truth is, he's very engaging.
― clemenza, Thursday, 19 July 2012 12:46 (thirteen years ago)
"The press did extensive research into what would have happened if Al Gore had wanted done had been done, county by county, and he would have lost anyway.”
Pretty sure this is not true.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 July 2012 13:05 (thirteen years ago)
He's alluding to that consortium of newspapers which said that Bush would have won if he and his lawyers had pursued Gore's Florida strategy – not the same thing, Mr. Justice.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2012 13:08 (thirteen years ago)
An excerpt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNaBmQaNm0g
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2012 13:10 (thirteen years ago)
Justice Scalia and I have not yet found a case that we would decide differently. We begin and end with the words of the text.”
Oh, pleeez.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 19 July 2012 13:29 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2012/07/19/piers-scalia-im-not-king.cnn
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 July 2012 01:49 (thirteen years ago)
http://harpers.org/media/pdf/dfw/HarpersMagazine-2001-04-0070913.pdf^^^Tense Present
― Team Safeword (Abbbottt), Friday, 20 July 2012 01:58 (thirteen years ago)
True for the case before the court. If the counties Gore wanted recounted had been he still would have lost, but if the entire state had been recounted (Gore wasn't asking for that) then he would have won.
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Friday, 20 July 2012 02:08 (thirteen years ago)
The URL I guess says it all:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/29/scalia-handheld-rocket-launchers-could-be-constitutional/
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 July 2012 16:06 (thirteen years ago)
I think to be safe, he should just allow us to keep and bear muskets (but only if we're part of the militia).
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Monday, 30 July 2012 16:23 (thirteen years ago)
in his defense I understand him waffling about a case his court may get.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 July 2012 16:32 (thirteen years ago)
Doesn't he regularly talk about all kinds of cases, even ones the court may get?
― curmudgeon, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:00 (thirteen years ago)
Digby:
Head ax's are out because the founders thought they were too frightening, but any weapon invented since then that can be carried (in your arms!) is fine because they didn't know they were going to be invented and so didn't think ahead.
He should be impeached for this "originalist" claptrap. But I take it back that he isn't brilliant. He is. To be able to get away with this sort of logic actually requires a very lively mind.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:20 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.tnr.com/article/magazine/books-and-arts/106441/scalia-garner-reading-the-law-textual-originalism
Long Posner review of Scalia's book
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 30 August 2012 14:47 (thirteen years ago)
He's back!. Interviewed by Peter Robinson.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 November 2012 14:28 (thirteen years ago)
Nino thinks NYT v Sullivan was a mistake.
http://youtu.be/yTLUGyzFgaI
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2012 15:20 (thirteen years ago)
shocker
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 7 December 2012 15:27 (thirteen years ago)
Charlie Rose thinks sobriety a mistake
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2012 15:28 (thirteen years ago)
i'm stunned
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 7 December 2012 15:28 (thirteen years ago)
can't believe it
Speaking at Priceton University to promote his new book, Justice Antonin Scalia defended his previous controversial writings on gay rights, and explained to a gay student why he drew a legal analogy between laws banning sodomy to murder and bestiality.
"I don’t think it’s necessary, but I think it’s effective," Scalia said in response to a student's question, according to The Associated Press.
"It’s a form of argument that I thought you would have known, which is called the ‘reduction to the absurd,'" he said. "If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?’"
When the student continued to press him, the justice reportedly responded, "I'm surprised you aren’t persuaded."
Next spring, the Court will take up cases on the Defense of Marriage Act and California's Proposition 8.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 14:39 (thirteen years ago)
When the student continued to press him, the justice reportedly disrobed and fingered his areolae, "I'm surprised you aren’t persuaded."
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 14:42 (thirteen years ago)
Scalia himself is something of a reductio ad absurdum.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 14:55 (thirteen years ago)
Clip with interview of Princetonian who confronted Nino:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/12/a-justice-from-a-past-era.html
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2012 18:39 (thirteen years ago)
http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/on-politics/2010/12/16/scalia-1216x-large.jpg
I'm a fat man. I am sad and I am fat --
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdr449FBoB1rgokmco1_500.gif
Two-hundred dollars.
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Thursday, 13 December 2012 18:48 (thirteen years ago)
What bugs me is when people say about Scalia, "He's a genius, you just don't happen to agree with his politics." There's nothing genius-like about his analogy here, or much of his writing.
I mentioned this recent speech on the Supreme Court thread too btw.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 December 2012 19:28 (thirteen years ago)
he's a genius and very consistent but believes some real bullshit
― the late great, Thursday, 13 December 2012 20:45 (thirteen years ago)
the problem is that people think he's a genius because they lol at his dissents. Casual observers of the Court (who are 99.9% of the "Scalia genius" people) do not have the expertise to somehow deduce that he has more intellect than Souter, Breyer, Stevens etc.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 13 December 2012 20:56 (thirteen years ago)
I don't think anyone on this Court -- including the retired O'Connor, Souter, and Stevens -- is a genius.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2012 20:59 (thirteen years ago)
Hurting and the rest of you lawyers: other than an excellent writer and mustache grower and contributor to pragmatism like Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., or a Cardozo or Brandeis, has SCOTUS ever been a locus of far-seeing jurisprudence? With all due respect to Marshall, Story, Bradley, Black, Warren, Brennan, etc.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2012 21:04 (thirteen years ago)
Being smart, facile and verbal are not the same thing as genius.
― Aimless, Thursday, 13 December 2012 21:05 (thirteen years ago)
he's a genius smart guy, probably smarter than most of us, and very consistent but believes some real bullshit
― the late great, Thursday, 13 December 2012 21:10 (thirteen years ago)
I think it was in one of Toobin's books that among the Justices themselves Stevens was considered the smartest.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 13 December 2012 21:23 (thirteen years ago)
who do you consider to be a genius, Alfred?
― 乒乓, Thursday, 13 December 2012 22:16 (thirteen years ago)
Oscar Wilde.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2012 22:19 (thirteen years ago)
lol that was just what I was going to post for realz
― If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 December 2012 22:20 (thirteen years ago)
you know who's a genius? roberts
― 乒乓, Thursday, 13 December 2012 22:22 (thirteen years ago)
Shakey!
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2012 22:23 (thirteen years ago)
throughout the early half of the 20th century tons o' southern preachers invoked the Curse of Ham and the story of Phineas from the Bible to rail against integration, but also interracial marriage. so i guess...
“If we cannot have moral feelings against interracial marriage, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against these other things?”
how this fucking clown maintains his rep of jurisprudential genius is just beyond me.
― Still S.M.D.H. ft. (will), Sunday, 16 December 2012 00:44 (thirteen years ago)
or perhaps he's totally cool with states having anti-miscegenation laws?
i think he is actually
― k3vin k., Sunday, 16 December 2012 00:48 (thirteen years ago)
can someone really smart play devil's advocate here and please explain to me how that can scan as even remotely Constitutional?
― Still S.M.D.H. ft. (will), Sunday, 16 December 2012 00:50 (thirteen years ago)
you see anything about miscegenation in the constitution?
― k3vin k., Sunday, 16 December 2012 00:52 (thirteen years ago)
yeah i don't see anything about AR-15s either.
― Still S.M.D.H. ft. (will), Sunday, 16 December 2012 01:00 (thirteen years ago)
alfred can correct me but it's my understanding that even if scalia thought federal anti-miscegenation laws were not permissible, he wouldn't interpret the 14th as applying to the states and would let a state have such a law
― k3vin k., Sunday, 16 December 2012 01:08 (thirteen years ago)
so would Scalia view a federal law, eg DOMA to be unConstitutional? afaict the Constitution mentions marriage exactly 0 times.
― Still S.M.D.H. ft. (will), Sunday, 16 December 2012 01:11 (thirteen years ago)
if you believed Nino was the Strict Constructionalist he claims to be, sure.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 December 2012 02:26 (thirteen years ago)
haha yeah he has a strict and coherent legal philosophy it is called 'being a republican'
― iatee, Sunday, 16 December 2012 02:28 (thirteen years ago)
Slobbo is a stricter "constitutionalist.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 December 2012 02:33 (thirteen years ago)
^absolutely. so why all the grudging respect or outright genuflecting by folks who (should) know better?
― Still S.M.D.H. ft. (will), Sunday, 16 December 2012 02:43 (thirteen years ago)
They're Republican.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 December 2012 02:43 (thirteen years ago)
or they are just searching for a token republican to say something good about
― iatee, Sunday, 16 December 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)
why not say condoleeza rice can play the piano instead
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Sunday, 16 December 2012 02:50 (thirteen years ago)
Also: we're more willing to reward a Beltway veteran for outrage and confuse it for wit. I mean, we hear no stories of Breyer yuking it up in think tanks or Georgetown salons.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 December 2012 02:51 (thirteen years ago)
^yeah... it seems like i've heard more than enough moderate and even lefty types oh-so-nobly big up this clown
― Still S.M.D.H. ft. (will), Sunday, 16 December 2012 02:56 (thirteen years ago)
Still aggrieved, I see.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:27 (twelve years ago)
Can someone put some of his obnoxious quotes together and make it a book--"For Some Reason They Call Me a Genius--The Wit and Wisdom of Antonin Scalia"
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:40 (twelve years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A79-IGry-ZQ
― Spectrum, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:44 (twelve years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, August 20, 2013
but he's smiling!
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:45 (twelve years ago)
The rictus of propriety
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:50 (twelve years ago)
^^ future law review article title
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:51 (twelve years ago)
xp Rictus mortis.
― Boven is het stil (Eric H.), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:51 (twelve years ago)
The one thing I did think, as [the pope] said those somewhat welcoming things to gay men and women, is, Huh, this really does show how much our world has changed. I was wondering what kind of personal exposure you might have had to this sea change.I have friends that I know, or very much suspect, are homosexual. Everybody does.Have any of them come out to you?No. No. Not that I know of.
Have any of them come out to you?No. No. Not that I know of.
― sktsh, Monday, 7 October 2013 11:18 (twelve years ago)
that's from this btw http://nymag.com/news/features/antonin-scalia-2013-10/index.html
― sktsh, Monday, 7 October 2013 11:19 (twelve years ago)
with this thread and the SCOTUS one groggy readers will think Nino died or retired
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 October 2013 11:20 (twelve years ago)
ah fuck, should have checked new answers first
― sktsh, Monday, 7 October 2013 11:22 (twelve years ago)
nah it's all good! We need the blood rush!
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 October 2013 11:23 (twelve years ago)
^^ this is genius, if Ned will pardon my saying so
― Aimless, Monday, 7 October 2013 18:01 (twelve years ago)
Has your personal attitude softened some?Toward what?Homosexuality. I don’t think I’ve softened. I don’t know what you mean by softened.
Opposite of hardened.
― Low down bad refrigerator (Dan Peterson), Monday, 7 October 2013 22:32 (twelve years ago)
that interview is solid gold. the stuff about the devil and posession is just cretinous.
― Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 20:12 (twelve years ago)
oh my goodness
― Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 20:14 (twelve years ago)
I can easily imagine Scalia asking someone who questioned his position or his reasoning, "if you're so smart why aren't you an associate justice of the Supreme Court?", then sitting back and looking smug. The man is tenured for life, has sycophants galore and doesn't even have to make sense if he doesn't feel like it.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:04 (twelve years ago)
a Supreme Court justice seriously expends intellectual energy on why the devil isn't possessing herds of pigs anymore
― Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:10 (twelve years ago)
Oh my goodness. My God! You travel in circles that are so, so removed from mainstream America that you are appalled that anybody would believe in the Devil!
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:19 (twelve years ago)
just joe average over here on the Supreme Court
― Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:23 (twelve years ago)
I am mostly appalled by Scalia and his wholly unjustified intellectual arrogance. The whole Devil thing is for people who cannot think abstractly to save their soul, but Scalia's belief in him is more pardonable than the shoddy intellectual habits he slips into his legal arguments.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:25 (twelve years ago)
http://extremeliberal.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/ginny_thomas_clarence_thomas_25.jpg
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:29 (twelve years ago)
the shoddy intellectual habits he slips into his legal arguments
you mean like that whole "words have meaning!" schtick? I wonder if Scalia has ever slipped a "the Oxford English Dictionary defines ____ as..." into a legal argument
― Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:34 (twelve years ago)
using dictionary definitions (sometimes dictionaries from the period in which the legislation was passed!) is a pretty standard part of scotus jurisprudence now
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:38 (twelve years ago)
Literally.
― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:40 (twelve years ago)
i'll give you a guess as to why they started doing this tho
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:42 (twelve years ago)
does it depend on what the meaning of "is" is
― Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:45 (twelve years ago)
http://www.yardbird.com/images/Reagan_with_Meese.jpg
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 23:47 (twelve years ago)
:)
― lag∞n, Sunday, 14 February 2016 00:52 (ten years ago)
too soo--- nah.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Sunday, 14 February 2016 00:57 (ten years ago)
Jars of applesauce and bouquets of broccoli were left on the steps of the Supreme Court on Friday as part of a makeshift memorial for the late Justice Antonin Scalia. The unusual items became symbols of the ObamaCare debate following colorful comments from Scalia, who was the court’s leading conservative.
In his dissenting opinion last year in King v. Burwell, Scalia called the majority’s reasoning for upholding ObamaCare subsidies “pure applesauce.”
And in 2012, during oral arguments in the first case challenging the healthcare law, Scalia questioned whether the administration could force people to buy broccoli if it required people to have health insurance.
http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/270032-applesauce-broccoli-left-at-supreme-court-in-memory-of-scalia
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 February 2016 20:34 (ten years ago)
what about florets of broccoli?
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 19 February 2016 23:24 (ten years ago)