wayne rooney - c/d

(I really, really wish the pic of Dunky Ferguson strangling a Leicester player in today's Guardian was available online.)

And Rroney is certainly no Lee Presley (jeez, I hope those nasty agents/scallies) don't make a complete mess of him, Harchester need him even more now that Luke Davenport has a horror injury!)

i'm not yet convinced of Rooney as a striker and saw him more in a Scholes/Gazza role - has to play just behind a striker for best results. this may or may not be the case in reality tho. i think from what he has shown so far he is somewhere between Scholes and Gazza in ability with the potential to eclipse them both (made a great start internationally at least in the same way the two others did).

x-post about Lord Emile

He turns it on like that, in flashes, practically every game he plays. He's not consistently brilliant and is surrounded by varying shades of mediocrity at Everton (Yobo and Radzinski probably his most talented compadres, and there are occasionally signs that his intermittent partnership with Tomasz R will bloom into something special) - hence few goals and much frustration.

But still, I've been encouraged by his displays since Xmas and, if he features in all EFC's remaining fixtures (minus the one for which he'll be suspended), he'll ensure mid-table safety. There is no suggestion that his gifts have somehow deserted him post-fame - he just finds himself in a shambling, underperforming side this campaign (whither the well-oiled machine of 02-03? It wasn't all Li Tie's passing and Campbell's strength, was it?)

Whether his love of the Blues will prevail over his agent's love of cash remains to be seen. A good Euro2004 and we may lose him. I think the Great Clubs Of Europe would rather give him a couple more years with Drill Sergeant Moyes before whisking him away, the finished article at 20.

I've said before that I can't quite believe he starts England games, but he hasn't done badly, has he?

I love the image of Big Kev reprimanding Wayne for badmouthing his ma. I think Uncle Eugene walked straight out of a rejected Frank Clark screenplay.

I find this all terribly endearing somehow.

for those who do not wish to click on the Sun's link:

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2004141299,00.jpg

"But later his dad Wayne Snr got up and started singing Everton songs. He wanted Wayne to join him, but Wayne walked out in embarrassment.”

as in he wasn't embarrassed after singing "Why does it always rain on me" by Travis?!?!??!

Tomasz R is gorgeous, you fool! Carsley is the less appealing of the slapheads and you were forgetting Franny Jugfers. I'm not sure whether this squad is any more grotesque than Joe Royle's Dogs Of War, before Kanchelskis gave them a makeover. I think the (lysergic) dandy axis relocated to Anfield some time in the 80s and stayed there. I think the rot set in with Geoff Nulty.

That Chinese bird is pretty cute, I suppose.

No argument there. With a broken wing at the mo'.

Why does he 'need to be playing at a higher level' NOW. For godsake he's a fixture in the England team, a star of Euro 2004. How about a few decent performances for Everton? How about first repaying the club that got him where he is today, how about repaying Moyes (the only person with any dignity in this whole sorry affair) and the fans by at least staying for a couple of seasons to let them build a decent team for the future around him? Don't tell me that $25M is 'repayment', don't tell me that football is a business....ask the fans. I absolutely salute the Everton fans who sang 'one greedy bastard' and 'stand up if you hate Rooney' at the weekend. I hope Moyes can survive the boardroom manoevres, I hope they spend the money wisely and I hope they stay up.

The agents and advisors around him are obv.filth - out for a quick buck and with no genuine concern for his career. You can't blame Rooney - he's too young to to know his own mind. You can imagine how his head will have been turned by rubbing shoulders with the likes of Owen, Beckham etcA bit too thick too. A shame he doesn't have (as far as we can tell) a parent with any sense to advise him.

Football is fucked.

Of course he should spend the season in the reserves or be drummed out of the club for what he did. Who does he think he is? Would he try that on at Man Utd? Would Clough have stood for it? But no, in our new rebranded national game, the manager (one of the best and most experienced managers in the WORLD) is forced to kow-tow to some two-bit prima donna and find a way to get him back in the team. Again, the fans were absolutely right. I would have booed the tosser too.

I think Everton is a very high level.

At this I must object, booing your own players *during* a game has never sat well with me. simultaneously expecting/demanding victory from yr team and trying to upset/distract one of yr players is silly. agreed dyer was a twat, but differences to be put aside for 90 minutes.

Rooney + Smith = Cantona + Hughes, anyone?

Robson bought some crap I admit : Bramble, Cort.

I thought couldn't care less about Rooney's private life, then Ilxor Who Will Remain Nameless told me of stories involving Rooney, some other Premiership footballers, a 60s rock star, Zoe from Eastenders and a video camera. I'm fairly sure this is bollocks.

I want to see a story that involves rooney and 60s rock star and some kind of inflatable sex toy "I can't believe it's not bollocks"

I'm not disputing his talent, just adding context.

You could look on this is a negative light though. He could play too many games and be knackered by the summer, and also by encountering other top players, they could become used to his style of play, "suss him out" , and be able to play better against him in International competitions.

Rooney has already proven that he is v. effective in international football WITHOUT ever playing in the Champions League. So why does he *need* champions league football?

Yeah, I do feel that it would be lovely if players stayed with their original clubs and didn't jump at the big time as soon as it's offered to them, but it seems pointless to particularly pick on Rooney here - he's doing what everyone does. If someone offered me a better job with more money and glamour (haha, glamorous systems analysis), I'd be off pretty sharpish.

Dr C- Surely it isn't fair to boo a player who is 'too young to know his own mind'?

I judge Dr C to be half otm, half not otm on the Rooney question and fully otm on the Robson question ;-)

Dr C seriously OTM. At some point, one ceases to be 'badly advised' - Roon's excuse for everything he does - and becomes culpable for employing and listening to bad advisors.

The advisors got 1.5M out of this. Rooney's said to be sick of the goldfish bowl of merseyside life. As strategies for anonymity go, becoming the highest paid and highest value teenager to date at the country's biggest club is perhaps the most stupid. He wants out at Everton who he is impatient to be as good as him. His advisors want to cash in whilst the brand is hot, and Rooney is too daft to see the value of earning and learning his trade.

If anything, I think Man Utd are suffering from a lack of a settled midfield - I don't see what kind of unit Ferguson is trying to build there with so many varying styles of play at work. They need a long-term replacement for Keane most of all, and I'm unconvinced as to how Scholes will do behind a real striking partnership - not a situation he's played in much for Manyoo in the last few years.

Interesting that Manure fans were calling Rooney "scouse scum" the other day.

Ultimately, I think staying at everton wouldn't have affected his career with England, and he'd have learnt character. Everyone's in such a hurry when footballers need to ripen and go through bad patches and bounce back. All these things would have been better done for a few years at Everton IMHO than at Man Yoo.

The reason he's gone is because everyone thought he should go. Everton aren't a big club, it seems. Certinaly not big enough for his agents. Big Clubbism strikes again - Rooney is a big player, and a big player needs a big club and big games and big agents and can you tell I'm fucking sick of the whole cockfarming biggism yet? The ITV news sports cock said it was 'inevitable' which neatly sidestpes the media's role in creating inevitability, and the venal desires of people around Rooney in fostering that impression.

Lets not forget these same cunts got him a deal in the Sun. Which helped create a further rift. Those agents now reap 1.5M. Not that I'm a cynical bastard or anything.

http://www.orlandoinfo.com/floridaresidents/images/articles/Shrek-and-Donkey.jpg

Louis Saha most probably. I know for a fact that Alan Smith won't particularly care.

Notice that he doesn't acknowledge the crowd at the end of the game. Once reason he went there - to save Leeds. Highest bid, dropped all his fees and insisted his agent did the same. He will get in the team because he cares

I reckon he probably will do better than Rooney - controversial, eh?

also re: 'football is fucked' comment; I'm not sure that's really to do with football, there have surely been many young prodigies, and in many sports, that do receive bad advice and if there isn't anyone that knows the business and have the person's best interests around they fuck it up.

Dave B absolutely OTM.

**and can you tell I'm fucking sick of the whole cockfarming biggism yet? **

Dave B scores again.

**I think Fergie's powers are waning and it might not be a happy place at ManYoo in the next few years**

And that's Boyle's hat-trick!!

Beckham is gone and I think that Keane/Giggs/Scholes/Nevilles may be on the wane. They are now reliant on buying talent in as the yoof team isn't producing anymore - Fletcher, O'Shea possibly excepted. The likes of Djembax2, Kleberson, Fortune, Saha, Bellion, Miller don't look like great buys. Whilst I dislike the bastard, I think it's a tribute to Fergie that he's still holding it together. When he goes it'll fall apart.

Presumably to get maximum money, yet £25M seems low. I thought they could've got £30M or more.

Fergie and Man U on the wane is a very good point. I wonder how Rooney would have chosen had Arsenal and/or Chelsea been in for him too? If Man U fall short in Europe and the league this season, I suspect Fergie will retire (maybe if they are gloriously successful he will do the same?) and who knows who will be up next? I don't think old boys like Bruce or McClaren have done enough to get the job, so it'll be some big foreign name.

I'm unsure whether Rooney will turn into our best player since Bobby Charlton or whoever you want to name, a real world star, or fizzle out, but I don't see how his prospects are worse at Man U than at Everton - experience playing against Real/June/Barca/Milan/etc. seems unlikely to make him a worse player, and Fergie has an excellent record of young stars not blowing up or screwing up. I'm not sure that the sort of character built by contending against the drop is so much more valuable than that built by trying to win the big prizes, and I think I'd rather have the latter mindset in England strikers.

I don't know where Sir Alex gets this reputation for keeping hot-headed players in line - Roy Keane, Eric Cantona and Willie 'The Butcher of Banff' Miller all spring to mind as uncontrollable loonies who have benefitted from Sir Alex's laissez faire lacksadaisical leniancy.

I don't believe Rooney shagged his granny. I think it was a story planted in the press by his agents to give him an excuse to move hundreds of miles from Merseyside.

I had a dream about him last night. He replaced my flatmate in Stoke Newington and his whole family moved in. It was a bit much, but we came to a grudging respect.

Astounding idea of 'wanting to leave the goldfish bowl of Merseyside' -- why doesn't he sign for Peterhead?

Everton took a point from Old Trafford the other day.

Manchester United are finished.

I see, Everton did have a deal for a new striker before the deadline, but unfortunately for them Porto pulled the rug from under them when they said that Benni "tied to a tree" McCarthy couldn't move after all.

Four teams bid for Gerrard at the same time as the Chelsea. Man Utd would have been much better had they signed a midfield - Damien Duff would be one far wiser signing (all the ST holders I know agree with this).

x-post : Re Benni McCarthy. How many times has he nearly moved to the Premiership now?!
The point is that there is no value in trying to buy Gerrard. It is relatively well known that any consideration of a move to Chelsea, or away, were abandoned due to death threats to his family. I think it would be WW3 for him if he moved to old trafford, and this evidence suggests he wouldn't entertain the trouble.

Well, it appeared in the Evening Standard. Which works in the same newsroom as the Mail. And the assistant editor of the Mail became, 5 days later, the new Chelsea PR chief. Not that the paper spread slander about scousers to protect Chelsea, as if no-one could resist them under normal circumstances, which is exactly what Gerrard did.

The above story might be that the assiatnt was on the standard, not the mail. I can't remember exactly.

ha ha x-post

Incidentally, I wasn't suggesting for a minute that Gerrard SHOULD move to United, just that I was surprised that Ferguson hadn't tried to sign a combative midfielder. I don't know why I should be considering his failure to sign a central defender in January what with Rio's ban hanging over him.

I'd like Gerrard to stay at Anfield for the rest of his career personally. Either that or move to WHL but that's not going to happen.

We've already had a Rooney hooker story...

http://www.football365.com/mediastore/Story_Images/Picture_Gags/FergieRooney2.jpg

he played well though - although soon the other team will figure out that ball to the right winger thing he does everytime he gets the ball in the middle.

nice to see van nistelrooy to score the good goal as well - i hope to see that united will just be giggs ronaldo rooney and van nistelrooy trying to out-trick/out-score each other. their defending still suck ass.

16/7/02: SC Weiz 2-10 Everton (Rooney 3, McLeod 3, Osman, Radzinski 2, Daley)

23/7/02: Queens Park 0-6 Everton (Rooney 3, Ferguson, McLeod, Tal)

Pre-season friendlies, yes, but in a Royal Blue shirt and, therefore, worth double. At least.

Anyway, a boyhood Evertonian scored three last night and yet Liverpool lost so that makes a nice change (Gerrard, Owen, Fowler, McManaman, etc) - I'm happy to settle for it.

If the Premiership table remains broadly unaltered for the next 31 games, I'll settle for that too.

Commentators were indeed very poor. If he was Uruguayan or something they would call him a greedy little bugger.

To be fair, they did say "Maybe after he's scored five or six he'll think about passing it".

I don't have much hope for Rooney, it's not just a question of immaturity, it's plain nastiness. If that is 'part of his game' he can stick it.

blimey that rollocking backfired pretty quick then

As for the chanting - Sven or Beckham should have taken the team off.

there were some pretty ugly tackles last night by a few of the team.

If they had taken the team off, they would have lost money, etc. I think that's what they said on the radio.

                   james
   king  ferdinand   campbell   cole
wright-phillips                  jenas
                pennant
                         heskey
          vassell    defoe

boo this, fuckers.

Alan Smith!

On the night maybe, but it might have helped to stamp this out more quickly. It would have forced the Spanish FA to actually address the issue, rather than hide from it. FIFA won't do anything - I'd kick Spain out of the next World Cup - draconian maybe, unfair to genuine non-racist fans, yes. But it's that important.

that would be ridiculous and rather unfair given how it's a minority acting in suspicious circumstances (racist abuse no more common in Spain generally than several other European countries with populations relatively bereft of a major black immigrant contingent i.e. Italy, Turkey, Serbia, Slovakia)

Bad acts by : the crowd last night, the U-21 crowd, the manager..

The crowd : there is no rapid way to transform these morons into acceptable members of society. It would take years. So maybe denying them a platform to spew this racist filth is the best course of action - and it might make racists from other countries think twice too. Including English racists. Spain might need to be made an example of - and what better example than a country with a manager like theirs. And an FA that is prepared to do nothing about it.

Proper Spanish fans and players would suffer from the ban. Tough - stamping out racism is more important.

Ah, the beautiful cash-cow.

but hey, like i say, nonsensical conpiracy theory...

Or they could just be a small minority of cunts.

I entertained the idea of wanting Turkey banned from Euro 2000 when Turkish 'supporters' attacked Irish players on the pitch after their play-off qualifier - that's actual physical violence too, not mere verbal abuse. A less emotionally biased me quickly decided that would be too harsh however.

Don't recall hearing of any past incidents in which racial abuse was a problem with Spanish supporters e.g. when they played South Africa at the last World Cup. But I've not researched this at all.

Manchester United's Wayne Rooney was recently reported to have had a tattoo featuring the name of the south Wales band Stereophonics.

He is said to be a big fan of the band and had the title of their third album, Just Enough Education to Perform, put on his arm.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/7537416.stm

pretty sure dom was already all over this, if you can imagine

this could be the basis of a stereophonics comebck single, a la lindisfarne :- )

Self-deprecation?

Coleen McLoughlin’s path to becoming the perfect WAG bride
Submitted by Kiran Pahwa on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 13:58.

London, May 19 : Coleen McLoughlin is leaving no stone unturned to make sure that she outshines every other football bride when she weds soccer star Wayne Rooney on June 12.

While the guests will be treated to anal fresco champagne reception and barbecue, bride-to-be Coleen has decided to follow her own diet.

Man, I could go for some anal fresco champagne about now.

i have more respect for her now, following her own diet and all

how disappointing, i really thought this would be about how average he is.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/SPORT/Pix/pictures/2010/11/3/1288788385275/Wayne-Rooney-006.jpg15,000 expected to watch burning of Wayne Rooney effigy in Kent

these jokers do this every year. ways to avoid killing yourself if you live in kent.

wasn't the effigy 'a gypsy' a few years back?

it was jordan before i think.

that was in lewes wasn't it? effigies schmeffigies tho

how disappointing, i really thought this would be about how average he is.

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