law and order svu

Yes, tonight was something else, you can spend 50 minutes wondering when they're gonna nail the child-molestor and suddenly it's about some woman killing her grand-daughter? Fantastic.

hang loose, benson

Mind you as much as I love him his shtick can tire when he does NOTHING BUT THAT.

But yes, SVU, agreed, some very nice weirdo twists.

anyway, 'member the one with martha plimpton as a junkie? or the fratboy one with gary cole?

http://www.ediecast.com//imgs_lrg/edjd/edjd194a.jpg

i think i like ci the best though! also they get extra points for the stephen colbert creepy guest-starring role from two weeks ago.

1. hirings of rohm and thompson (and that redhead replacement for eames on CI) have made me wonder if dick wolf has lost his casting touch
2. who will do the one-liners? unless that burden just gets shifted over to rogers entirely.

I watch the USA reruns every night too.

Mariska Hargitay is hot, though.

http://www.sneaker.de/images/celebshoes/ice-t-nike.jpg

i seriously love this show.

...needs more Goren!

Crossing Jordan sucks, not even the brilliant child of Jose Ferrar and Rosemary Clooney saves it.

Clarke B and I binged on 2 episodes of SVU tonight in a row and it was oh so good. In the last episode, 2 rape victims Desert Eagled the rapist - totally sweet.

yeah, Kevin's sister from the Wonder Years!

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/news2001/oct01/oct29/1_mon/news4m1.jpg

pedos and rapists getting theirs makes me cheer and sometimes brings a tear to my eye. (schmaltzy predictable response but there nontheless)

he has come back to the show since michael moriarty's vacation to batshitland, but the tension hasn't been as thick.

(for those who didn't watch: incredibly long he says/she says rape episode could have gone either way, writers PUSSED OUT and ended without giving a verdict, and the SMART PEOPLES OF TEH INTERNETS get to vote for guilty or not guilty!)

I can't believe I stayed awake for that.

The rape kit striptease was kind of creepy.

I'm a first year law student, learning to see both sides of any/every issue and well, I'd really like to watch the episode again. I felt it was very Fahrenheit 9/11 in its manipulation of my emotions. I'd like to watch it again, leaving my emotions/predispositions at the door.

I wholly disagree with the notion that this was a case of the writer(s) copping out. It was a close case. It could have gone either way: the jury could have gone with either a not/guilty verdict and I wouldn't have been surprised with either.

Was the professor guilty or innocent?
A. Guilty
B. Innocent
C. Need More Evidence

To me there's a big difference between "Innocent" and "Not Guilty."

+ southern marcia gay hayden wtf

wait so is m hargitay outta there?

I hate CI for primarily one reason: D'Onofrio's fucking stutter or whatever the hell that is. Acting, I guess.

This show is hardcore, dude. I mean, I can watch Original Flavor at great length, but more than two of these in a row and it's like OMG, I know it's kind of the premise, but could we tone it down just a little with the constant raping? There's usually like three in the first fifteen minutes, and then like 20% of all characters are into autoerotic asphyxiation, and then the second-half twist is INVARIABLY that the whole family was involved in whatever was going on.

(P.S. I am also having continuity problems with the one I'm watching now, because Diane Neal is guest-starring as a lawyer who was involved in raping a male stripper, and I am never going to be able to watch her stint as the SVU D.A. in quite the same way)

isn't it kind of great that we have the option to "watch more than two of these in a row"?

ctrl-f: heinous

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:(

dude if I was totally irresponsible I could have watched csi miami for like eight hours straight last night, I think (settled for three and keeping my job)

but yeah the fact that SVU, C&I, and all the CSIs are basically always running in marathon format on some channel is the one solitary good thing about 2007, as far as I can tell

lol i was going to start this thread again

ive had these on in the living room and kitchen since like 2 or 3 in the afternoon

and yeah nabisco is right, the rape count for each episode like increases

then the second-half twist is INVARIABLY that the whole family was involved in whatever was going on.

there were at least 3 episodes today that involved weird familial sexual relations

We are both watching USA, aren't we. Something about the one-two punch of the superintendent's sons followed by "no, it was GRANDMA who took him to the whorehouse" ...

yeah and then right after the weird sex-mom psychologist!!!

i have like 8 of these on tivo except i've probably seen most of them. today i was thinking about how many episodes have a scene where stabler and benson go to interview suspect or victim and when they show up to the house the door is ajar and the person is either dead or has just left the apartment. i think the over/under is 70.

xpost - Yeah, see, I was a little raped out by then, so I went out and bought soup during that one.

Seriously, though, there is something pretty trippy about watching old-DA Cabot prosecute new-DA Novak.

ive seen a episode of regular law and order with s epatha merkerson as a mom whose... kid ODs? or something??

it makes you wonder if theres an exact doppelganger of you somewhere in new york city... on the OPPOSITE side of the law!!!

or seeing old-DA cabot show up in 30 rock as a lesbian.

P.S. I'm pretty sure the most frequently recurring word on this show, apart from "the," is "fluids"

HAHAHA EVIL NOVAK IS AN AUTO-EROTIC ASPHYXIATOR

L&O/L&O:SVU are the only defensible things on television.

svu is one of the 3 best shows in the history of tv

also this is the last season. does anyone know when it's ending (strike stuff??)?

M*A*S*H is defensible too, but it's old, you see.

i've never seen an episode of m*a*s*h

You should. Except for, like, the last two or three seasons.

whenever there's a famous guest star that turns up all innocuously in the beginning it's like ohhh shiiiit you're cutting up the kids aren't you

^^^ the episode abt incestuous brothers' sex rape parties had boone from lost and the minute he was onscreen you knew he killed someone

i heard they are going to start showing l&o classic in primetime again if the strike continues

new years eve MARATHON

funk dat Spike TV is having a NYE marathong of CSI

i'll probably have seen all the svus but it's still comforting to lay on the couch for 4 hours and watch them

it's a good thing I have work and plans and shit so I'm not going to completely overdose on fox + helgenberger et al.

i usually don't have plans for NYE until like 10:30 so i won't be able to resist

Wait I'm way drunk but did we ever write an SVU theme song?? It should be like

Law and Order show
Law and Order show now
Special Victims style

Okay now someone's a rapist
It might be incestuous
Someone is auto-erotic
asphyxia-TING

Stabler's marriage it is rocky
Benson's mom was raped

Special Victims style

Merry christmas, screw you all

custos victims unit

bah dj martian victims unit. fucking up my memes

no, no. you're not.

svu is one of the 3 best shows in the history of tv

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, December 19, 2007 6:06 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Link

3. SVU
2. MASH
1. Puppy Bowl

close - the actual ranking I think is

3. SVU
2. SVU
1. SVU

That shit is way better than Custos if you SING IT

Also Custos was sober, I think

FYI, I'm working on the Criminal Intent lyrics later today

those lyrics are acceptable only because there's already been a thread about the lyrics to the original l&o theme

Yes, they are a variant of the original (inspired by John D's opening line)! The "first comes the law" part is excised, since SVU strays from the rigid half-and-half construction. And stuff about their personal lives goes in at the end, since that's how SVU goes

P.S.: Best crime-procedural crossover ever = old episode of Homicide in which Munch is bent out of shape over learning that his ex-wife (Carol Kane!) once got with Lenny Briscoe (Orbach), and then the murderer for the episode turns out to be played by future L&O:CI detective Kathryn Erbe

TRIPPY

lol more pro lifer villains! shit never gets old

janine turner AND gabrielle anwar! speedtrain to crazytown

didn't they already do a l&o about theft of embryos? or was it stem cells?

i think there have been like 35 embryo-theft episodes at this pt

okay my dad thought i was crazy

lol awesome, i know the writers have high minded ideals about dramatizing the ahem moral quandaries of the day but christ the ghost of PT barnum hangs heavy dunnit?

of course i think that when the little people make an appearance, so maybe I'm the asshole...

This "have babies before it's too late, ladies!!!" subtext is annoying.

oh, didn't see THAT coming, not at all.

haha holy now IRAQ comes into it

"i wouldn't have to rape virgins if she'd been one"

^^ spoken by martin short, about his wife

yeah just think about that for a while

they really rounded this season out well. one w/ robin williams was great as was the one where olivia goes back undercover into jail. real mid existence shit

both of those were some of the best new episodes of the past 3-4 years

wow this robin williams one is really awesome

this show has reached csi miami levels of unintentionally hilarious awesomeness

the gay quarterback episode, loool

I can't even watch laws and orders anymore, they've gotten so bad.

and after watching The Wire it's a little hard to watch normal crime tv.

this show is hilarious

the criminal intent episode with the weird suicide club & corporate bullying is soooo convoluted/wtf.

hmm let's see what i've got to look forward to tonight

Episode 18/25, "Careless"
The team investigate the death of a six-year-old boy who apparently died during an exorcism at a late-night church service. However, the child's foster parents and social worker soon come under suspicion when forensics reveal the victim was smothered before the rite took place.

Episode 19/25, "Sick"
The police discover a 12-year-old boy posted sinister threats toward a girl on a website chat room and suspect his anger stems from sexual abuse. The trail soon leads Benson and Stabler to a wealthy billionaire known for his generous donations to charities and his hospitality for young houseguests. However, the detectives struggle to make a conviction because their suspect paid the child's parents to prevent their son revealing the truth.

w00t

any episode where anyone goes undercover into a jail is good for laughs...

goren getting tied down and going crazy, olivia seeing the jailer's penis while being sexual assaulted.

not to say that's funny stuff, but you know...

"Sick" was on last week and I saw it for the second time. It may be the most bonkers episode ever.

my actress roomate from college apparently had a role in the svu episode "avatar"

A young woman is abducted, and the clues to her disappearance can be found by investigating at her character in an online role-playing game. And her case may also reveal clues about an unsolved case involving another girl's disappearance.

Surely everyone who lives in NYC has had a role on one of the L&O's by now, right?

At Ginger’s loft, she explains to Lake and Benson that Another Youniverse (AY) is a virtual reality game that she and Rachel play online all the time. When Lake asks if that is where she and Rachel met, Ginger says they know each other from art school. Ginger introduces them to her VR avatar, Tawny Coppercuffs, and soon becomes absorbed in her game as she gives them a quick tour from her online diary. She shows them a scene where she and Rachel, as her avatar Vixy Platinum, were hanging out at the virtual pool. Lake comments that the avatars’ names sound like a couple of hookers and she explains that they own virtual sex clubs in AY. Benson is mystified that Rachel and Ginger would choose to be prostitutes, and Ginger explains that it is a fantasy, not a crime, and that it is safe. They have sex for money with no risk of STDs and they aren’t hurting anybody. Ginger takes them to Rachel/Vixy’s club, Vixy Platinum’s Underage Wonderstage, and there are numerous male avatars standing around with signs asking “Where’s Vixy?” shouting “Vixy, come back.” Ginger explains that these are Rachel/Vixy’s fans. She performs every day at two, but she skipped her performance today and her fans miss her already. Benson comments that Vixy looks like a kid while Rachel is in her twenties. Ginger reminds her that in AY you can be any age you want. Lake notes that you can also be any age your customers want. Benson and Lake conclude that virtual sex wasn’t enough for one of Vixy’s customers, so he kidnapped her.

uhh i need to see this immediately

Vixy Platinum’s Underage Wonderstage

i've definitely seen that episode.

wikipedia says that season hasn't been on britishes tv yet :(

there's an episode where sabrina the teenage witch gets raped????????????????????????????

the funny thing is, the other girl in our suite that semester was on hbo's real sex.

i think the twist was that sabrina didn't get raped? or at least there was an implication that she made it up. fuck, i don't know. this damn show.

Tawny Coppercuffs

I saw all that episode.

Of L+O, not real sex.

A scene was shot in my Aunt's apt.

The Sabrina one is really great...very twisty.

Who the eff is this new ice princess ADA? And where's Casey?

Dick Wolf used to cast women with personality. Now every one is a blank slate.

http://www.nbc.com/Law_and_Order_Special_Victims_Unit/about/michaela-mcmanus.shtml

huh

From buddytv

CSI's Gary Dourdan isn't the only actor departing from his regular television gig.  Diane Neal, popularly known as Casey Novak on Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, has also decided to part ways by the season's end of the police procedural drama.
"Diane spent five years on SVU and was a tremendous addition to the SVU team.  She is looking forward to new opportunities and she will be missed," a spokesperson for Law & Order: SVU confirmed.
Neal first appeared in the third season of Law & Order: SVU in the episode “Ridicule” as high-powered rapist Amelia Chase before joining the main ensemble as their Assistant District Attorney (ADA), consequently replacing Stephanie March.
Neal makes her final appearance in next month's season finale of Law & Order: SVU but unlike other previously departed cast members, reprising her character doesn't seem to be an option as the search for a new ADA is already under way.
Word on the street is that show creator Dick Wolf is looking to fill the void with a new comer.
Prior to Law & Order: SVU, Neal made guest appearances on TV series such as Ed, The American Embassy, and Hack.  This was followed by a string of movie projects, which included Second Born, Future Tense, Dracula II: Ascension and Dracula III: Legacy.
As of the moment, there is no word yet on Neal's next endeavor.

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I liked Munch's mention of Bolander. Aww.

i grew up wit the girl who is the new ADA on SVU. She was in my sister's grade, and they were friends. Her dad is a dentist.

i remember she was in all the high school plays and shit.

high-powered rapist Amelia Chase

Before joining the main cast of Law and Order: SVU, Neal appeared in the Season Three episode "Ridicule" as high-powered female rapist Amelia Chase.

hahahah xpost

Law And Order: Special Letters Unit

Muppet Munch is EPIC WIN

chung chung

good ep on now

I have watched entirely too many episodes of the SVU marathon lately. I can figure out the plot twists before they do. Don't they know they're in a formulaeic detective programme?

taxi dancing still exists??

I haven't seen whatever episode you may be referencing, but yes - taxi dancing clubs totally still exist. There are dozens of them in downtown L.A. - it's one of the weirdest phenomenons ever. Most of them are staffed by (and frequented by) norteño Mexican cowboy dudes, as far as I can tell. There was a really fascinating L.A. Weekly article about the bars maybe 5-6 years ago that explained the history behind them. I'll see if I can find a link.

Jesus, this article was actually published 10 years ago. But several of the places mentioned still operate:
Dance With a Stranger, January 1999

I hadn't watched a new one in a whole. So, last night:

- woman mauled by tiger
- phony gangsta rapper called "Gots Money"
- exotic animal smuggling ring
- hyena-based murder including pile of hyena vomit containing rapper's big-ass chain
- undercover Stabler
- Reg E. Cathey from The Wire
- evil Eastern Europeans eating tiger meat
- Benson pretending to be prostitute
- Stabler gets shot
- baby gibbon stuffed in basketball, then removed from basketball and hugging Dan Florek
- most awkward warehouse chase scene in L&O history

^^^^ yessss this one is an all-time classic!!

Dan Florek removing a baby gibbon from a basketball

correct me if im wrong but "gots money" is played by big boi, and stabler has to pretend to be a customs agent

baby gibbon stuffed in basketball, then removed from basketball and hugging Dan Florek

I feel culturally impoverished at having missed this.

- Benson pretending to be prostitute

this is amazingly classic

holy

usa was running old-school episodes of svu last weekend and i was struck by how much i missed ice-t

i havent watched a new one in a while either but the one w/ robin williams is probably my favorite post-strike SVU episode. i might've posted that itt already.

this is amazingly classic a charmingly tawdry SVU-style excuse to get Hargitay's shirt off

also for a former smuggler of sex slaves you'd think the smuggler guy would have taken one look at Benson and been like no, no, you are so not a prostitute, with that hair? no

I love this show so fucking much

Did you guys see this year's season finale? LOL wow

not a cop either, with that hair, but prostitute, don't make me laugh

SVU has inspired some odd Youtube videos. For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xooDJBcsmUo&feature=related

The tiger episode also a knitting magazine model in it, so all the the Law and Order fans on Ravelry freaked out.

baby gibbon stuffed in basketball, then removed from basketball and hugging Dan Florek

This was the best thing ever. Why did Time Out hate it? They are stupid.

I loved that they brought Carol Kane back as Munch's ex in the season finale!

what's the deal with no sleeves + tie?

I'm guessing it's a costuming trick, since it's hot out and he's not supposed to remove his jacket during the scene.

I hadn't watched a new one in a whole. So, last night:

- woman mauled by tiger
- phony gangsta rapper called "Gots Money"
- exotic animal smuggling ring
- hyena-based murder including pile of hyena vomit containing rapper's big-ass chain
- undercover Stabler
- Reg E. Cathey from The Wire
- evil Eastern Europeans eating tiger meat
- Benson pretending to be prostitute
- Stabler gets shot
- baby gibbon stuffed in basketball, then removed from basketball and hugging Dan Florek
- most awkward warehouse chase scene in L&O history

― nabisco, Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:36 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this episode is on right now on usa, i recommend everyone tune in

It's awesome! I really felt for Stephen Rea in this episode I watched a few days ago where he got sentenced to life in prison trying to kill Stabler -- Stabler gets shot in every episode and is fine by the next day, dude is like Wolverine. Why even get punished for that?

you know SVU has REALLY scraped the bottom of the barrel when they've finally, after 10 seasons, have resorted to the "female lead goes undercover as a prostitute" plot

i actually saw the end of this flipping channels, was amazed to see a monkey hugging Dan Florek, and then that dude from The Wire

Oh, I love the gibbon in the basketball.

you know SVU has REALLY scraped the bottom of the barrel when they've finally, after 10 seasons, have resorted to the "female lead goes undercover as a prostitute" plot

This was only really for a single scene, though.

Would pay for a gif of the gibbon basketball hug. amazing.

http://media.onsugar.com/files/upl1/1/13254/48_2008/45c3e06b3261f91e_Picture_8.larger.jpg

holy shit why have I not seen this

They need to bring the gibbon back to hug all the Law and Order actors.

Make it a regular. It's a better actor than Elisabeth Rohm!

in fairness, everything is a better actor than Elisabeth Rohm

(still bummed that I missed the only good scene of her tenure, ie her departure)

was it because you were a lesbian

I can't believe she is the ADA with the most episodes.

So wrong. She was really awful on Angel as well, I was so glad when they wrote her off of the show.

Okay so I only just now learned who Hargitay's parents were (Jayne Mansfield and a Mr. Universe? c'mon) and I'm kind of amazed

You didn't know? She was in the car when Jayne's head got chopped off.

i only learned that earlier this year but yah -- jayne fucking mansfield

the turkish jayne mansfield the world has been waiting for

xp ok i did not know that

hungarian, dude

could have sworn...

sigh

up your hargitay game

it is already pretty far up

if you understand me

do you mean... a boner

Every episode should have Hargitay going undercover in a women's prison or gibbons.

trying to wrap my head around every single episode of this show being available to stream on netflix -- honestly might fail out of school

baby gibbon stuffed in basketball, then removed from basketball and hugging Dan Florek

can i make this my new username, or is it too long?

OK I know this show's always been a bit tasteless, and it's been getting more and more campy, but I was still weirded out/amused by the whole lesbian Kathy Griffin awkwardly hits on Benson thing in the middle of a serial rapist spree storyline. Damn those random Saturday night repeats!

ATTN

cabot (irl) is MARRIED to BOBBY FLAY

she is on this episode of "boy meets grill"

oh man the one on usa right now is stabler in the hole.

pretty heavy!

that was one of the best recent ones imo. all the new ones with sharon stone are awful :(

sharon stone, you say

The Sharon Stone/Isabelle Huppert episode was CRAZY.

she is a tough nut to stabler because she is secretly emotionally vulnerable
she solves an arson case because she believes with her emotion
she is motherly to a wannabe cop because she feels emotion
she is emotional to a crazy lady because of her emotions

ESPECIALLY HEINOUS

BIG BOI JUST GOT ATE BY HYENAS

ha, looks like this episode has been covered itt

jeremy irons, shrink and sex addict, raped his lesbian daughter

now elliot is undercover in a sex addicts anonymous group

fyi

wowowowowowowow

i watched kathy griffin lesbian activist vs serial lesbian rapist earlier this evening

it was either this or the johnny depp v/o'd pbs thing on the doors

xp like in front of your apartment?

omg this is just beyond

Join the campaign, people:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cast-The-Mountain-Goats-on-Law-and-Order-SVU/179404355425761

co-ed live-in sex addiction treatment center. yeah, ok, i buy it

"you're a walking douchebag"

soooo true

oh shit i missed that line

dammit

omg omg omg omg

God, I hate Stabler and Benson.

Just saw this on tumblr

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lob31uMjoL1qetlqko1_500.jpg

omg is this episode really about a virgin who gets raped by god??

so harry connick jr is joining

the fuck?

i don't think i've seen an episode since stabler left, which is already 5 years ago now i believe

He only left a year or so ago!

I haven't watched it in a while though, I think the completely idiotic one with Robin Williams (maybe I'm being redundant here) finally made me stop watching.

The plots are slightly better this season, but that is not saying much since it was completely horrible in the last two.

Were Benson and Cabot on a date on last night's episode?

http://www.ralst.com/OA_SVU_1.gif

Every episode on Netflix means I might never leave my house again, I love this show so much.

It's on netflix now? Uh oh.

I liked Dean Winters on the last episode. Bring him back!

god the last season with stabler is totally unwatchable. they just rotated in guest stars to vomit-act each episode. jeremey irons UGH

he's back? that episode when he quit was some heavy stuff xp

i caught one of these on nbc the other night and benson said the line, "it wouldn't be the first time we tested a corpse for STDs"

I liked Dean Winters on the last episode. Bring him back!

If I had known he was back, I would have watched it! The last two or three seasons have been ridiculous, but I would watch if he was on.

Every show should have Dean Winters on it.

I just read the plot synopsis of the season ending episode, holy hell

they really went for broke on that one!

which was it? i watched one the other night that wasp o_O

The one that starts out with a dead girl at a bachelor party and ends with two escort agencies warring

I just read the plot synopsis of the season ending episode, holy hell

I just read it too, that was pretty surprising. Poor Cragen.

Every time I think I'm over this show, I'm reminded that its whole point is to make you roll your eyes right up until the point where it punches you in the face

[i]i caught one of these on nbc the other night and benson said the line, "it wouldn't be the first time we tested a corpse for STDs"

― J0rdan S., Friday, June 8, 2012 2:38 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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XD

i've lost touch with this show i need to reconnect

I totally watched one for 5 mins the other night but during that five min I also heard the corpse STD line.

The episode where Big Boi got eaten by hyenas is both my favorite episode and the one where the show unquestionably jumped the shark.

Is that the one where Cragen finds a monkey in a basketball?

It was a gibbon!

That episode is one of my favorites.

that was one of the last good ones. they lost too much of the humor and smugness.

oh that "corpse for STDs" one was pretty bad, but not as bad as the one with the amputee fetishists

this show has gotten really bad

Picking episodes at random is so much fun. Can we talk about Cynthia Nixon's turn as an abuse victim pretending to have multiple personalities?

http://i.imgur.com/C8zaF.jpg

nice.

just want to document that the next episode is going to be '50 shades' themed and has anna chlumsky in it.

Watching the 50 shades ep right now. First post-Stabler one I've seen. Feels like the air has really gone out of this series.

post-Stabler

:(

as long as Mariska H is involved it is the best series of all time

Two-part season-ender/season-starter episodes were pretty crazy. The season opener, with commercials removed on online viewing, was 90 minutes! Add that on to the forty-some minutes of last season's finale and you have a movie length episode.

aero OTM

I could swear that Anna Chlumsky was in another L&O episode involving plagiarism?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6nzC7yeUSIc

^^ exactly what I was looking for to link earlier

show will never top that scene

it was on last night.
sooooo many roffles.

Wasn't Mariska supposed to be leaving last season?

Lol at still watching this show

that episode is the pinnacle of American television xxxp

I'll take a thousand monkeys concealed in a thousand basketballs before I ever watch a judge allow a defendant to choke a lawyer with a belt in a courtroom again.

WIldlife is the best episode ever.

I loved Eames on last week's episode.

Eames>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Benson

wait, Eames was on? ugh do i have to back and watch this now

i almost hate it when they bring back on L&O alumni, because that gimmick always draws me back in

I think it was just for one episode. I hope it's more!

I am really surprised all their meddling with the prostitution ring didn't end up with a girl being beaten or killed.

a girl got killed in the season finale!

Did she ever.

Watching a repeat and there's some ridiculous dialogue popping up, "Did you know your grandson is also your stepson? Your husband has been cheating on you with his daughter."

this 50 shades-inspired one, wtf

"I mean, we mixed it up. Sometimes I was on top, sometimes she was on top"

^^ people who know how to live

I like how Amaro had read the book.

http://i.imgur.com/SbWaYC4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/v7hTJRo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vXzxIpu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4Kkeg05.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TLjEXuE.jpg

the Melinda one!

Have recently been rewatching Season 1, just now remembering what a ridiculous fit for the show Dean Winters was. Miss u bb!

I'd die happy if I were surprised w/ a Capt. Don Cragen VDay card.

lol this pair is kinda fucked up

http://www.brandonbird.com/svutines_4.html

wow haha

uh

YOU'RE THE ONE!

I Never Liked You is the best.

<3 brandon bird

they keep having band lookalikes on svu lately. I think this week's is supposed to be fake Gogol Bordello.

This shit was gritty early on - bought the second season for my wife, we've been watching lately

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2013/06/10/130610crte_television_nussbaum?currentPage=all

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m06jtxvxof1qzw38zo1_500.jpg

i dont even know

i think you know

*incoherent whimpering*

This made me lol when I was watching a few episode last night on Netflix:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzmp0gM5T31qzip3jo1_500.png

lol

did not see the paula deen/trayvon martin mashup ep with cybill shepherd as the deen/zimmerman combo hosebeast but a friend live-texted it to me and apparently it was super batshit. profiling was also a part of it. somehow.

Keep expecting every update to this thread to be that they finally put this show out of its misery.

I was hoping there would be more crazy-ass Cybill Shepherd moments but she was painfully underused

http://www.examiner.com/article/svu-goes-deep-to-create-an-unconventional-episode

When Giddish joined ‘SVU’ three seasons ago, the show was considered a strict procedural, but things have clearly changed and the drama has shifted in a manner that allows for more personal character development within the narrative.

w u t

heresy

A Donal Logue appearance, making sure he is on every television show for at least an episode in 2014

i've never looked at shonda rhimes' twitter or any scandal twitter but i am pretty sure the svu writers think that they have a show of scandalesque astonishment on their hands, on the basis of their twitter

Did not expect to see Mike Tyson with a major role in an episode of a show about sexual violence,

wow diane neal is really pensive on her twitter about not being more of a success

eesh

lmao damn

http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2015/06/04/stephanie-march-not-behind-bobby-flay-walk-of-fame-cheater-stunt/

https://i.gyazo.com/cc574e764b572e76a29ef07ad60f7823.png

more like donk donk amirite

A member of my family is a survivor of sexual abuse by a priest in Baltimore in the late 60s/early 70s. She's gone through a lot, met with other survivors, and become an activist. I'm pretty impressed by how far she's come. Last fall I got to attend a meeting with her and the other survivors while they were being interviewed for a documentary. I'm not sure of the status of that project, but I just found out that last week's SVU was loosely based on the case. She's a longtime L&O fan and while I haven't asked her about it directly, I hear she's very stoked.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/cesnik-nun-murder-maskell_n_7267532.html

http://www.nbc.com/law-and-order-special-victims-unit/video/unholiest-alliance/2998226

I just saw this the other day, good ep! I did wonder what itd been based on.

Then the latest ep with the corrupt CO, that had to be based on the Daniel Holtzclaw thing, right?

Also no spoilers but damn the end of the latest ep made me cry :(

Can't remember the last time I saw blatant retirony on a TV show in that last episode.

Every time this thread is bumped I'm shocked anew that this show is still going.

Ha yes it was a fairly blatant case. He might as well have said he had a retirement yacht and plan to sail the ocean.

They ran that episode on cable today where Elliot goes undercover to catch a rare animal smuggling ring and gets shot, Liv has to strip down to her underwear and pretend be a prostitute for five minutes, and Cragen rescues a monkey being smuggled inside a basketball. Classic SVU

Don't forget Big Boi being eaten by hyenas.

oh yeah! i missed that part today

Cragen basketball scene is peak SVU, will never top

I have PS Vue now and all I know is "We TV" was formerly "women's entertainment" but now has L&O and Criminal Intent syndication and I can sit around and binge that shit

witness: that's disgusting

stabler (yelling, vein in neck): YOU'RE DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!

stabler's case closure rate is 97%

novak's conviction rate is 71% ('much better than the national average of 44')

o_O

one of many things really messed up about that show, yeah

http://68.media.tumblr.com/4de06e27134324d259650c3a8d927a37/tumblr_nqbjenCy6Z1s71q1zo2_1280.png

http://liartownusa.tumblr.com/post/122105895015/ice-t-law-order-svu-part-i

'now, grandma emails 2 girls 1 cup, signs it l.o.l.' – munch

olivia benson is weak on vaccination deniers

rrr sorry no c.i. violates the limited 1st person law. scenes all over the place with the Villains planning, scheming, whatnot. stray from the investigators, lose my respect. the guy even has a nemesis, for pete's sake. lame!

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:09 PM (twelve years ago)

SVU does this in the season 13 opener, ron rifkin has a convo with the episodes' dominique strauss-kahn knockoff in private that is still shown (without anything about the case being revealed) - then, confusingly, they shoot from outside the room and show rifkin closing the blinds but switch the audio as if heard through an intercom once the camera is on the other side of the glass, even though it's in the hallway and no one is there.

also becomes weirdly dour and silent - dunno if that continues beyond the opener - kind of like the way the west wing did when they ditched sorkin. seems to be because they are writing 'cinematic' scenes way more than ever, and the standard l&o procedural-dialogue switch has been turned all the way off.

(this is the first season where they've dumped meloni and added the southern chick detective.)

munch really ought to recognize the lawyer who is a dead ringer for frank pembleton

h8 the fuckin rat squad

non-diegetic music on law & order is 100% bullshit

munch really ought to recognize the lawyer who is a dead ringer for frank pembleton

omg he HAS to, during his retirement thing lewis is sitting in the bar with the others and refers to munch's time in baltimore, how could he recognize lewis but not a guy who looks just like pembleton!

the number of actors who appeared briefly on one or two episodes and then became regulars is high enough that nearly every assistant DA in the later seasons was at some point a murderer or witnessed one as a sex worker

peter gallagher is a dick

VICTIM: they were total F A Ls

BENSON's face is blank

FIN: failures at life

https://allthingslawandorder.blogspot.com/2015/04/law-order-svu-daydream-believer-number.html

“In the criminal justice system, some killers are so depraved that it takes multiple police agencies to bring them to justice. This is one of those investigations.”

:O

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2016/09/23/inside-joe-biden-s-insane-law-order-svu-episode/jcr:content/body/inlineimage.img.800.jpg/49153790.cached.jpg

BIDEN/BENSON 2020

munch really ought to recognize the lawyer who is a dead ringer for frank pembleton

omg he HAS to, during his retirement thing lewis is sitting in the bar with the others and refers to munch's time in baltimore, how could he recognize lewis but not a guy who looks just like pembleton!

― j., Monday, December 19, 2016 3:13 AM (four weeks ago)

they are reprising shambala green for the upcoming dick wolf's chicago public service multiverse legal drama

http://tvline.com/2016/03/21/chicago-justice-casts-lorraine-toussaint-law-and-order/

and paul robinette at some point too!

but s epatha merkerson already has a role on the dick wolf chicago medical drama so van buren will never reappear in chicago

tv is so amazing

whaat???

Saw a promo last night; SVU is gonna air its 400th episode in February. That's a lotta rape.

i'm not sure where this is in the uk. one of the freeview channels seems to show an episode every day but the odd one i catch still has Stabler in it.

(ok, series 8, 2-a-day, with 5 episodes on saturday, another 5 on sunday on '5 USA')

Chicago Justice? what the ever-loving fuck

I'll guiltily admit to watching the Chicago cop one, but parts of it are in such insanely poor taste and I wonder what they were thinking. The scripts are hedged in the way that any excess hostility or violence toward suspects ends up helping find the missing kid or the abducted girlfriend every time. There are references in the show to the kind of off-site dirty cop suspect abduction scenarios that the Chicago PD notoriously used, and not in a completely negative way.

On the other hand, I have streaming television now and one of the channels regularly plays classic Law & Order, all the way back to the early seasons. Kind of nice to be able to flip channels and watch some classic Briscoe and Green episodes

Is the Wolf Experiencing a Right-Wing Drift?

yeah it's not bad, but it's not good either. i can't imagine wanting or needing to ever see any episodes a second time, not even for the sake of the characters or artificial pseudo-character effects. there's only enough story in any given episode to keep the minimum forward motion. the writing is not stellar.

the cop one seems noticeably heavy on white criminals with goofy head and/or facial hair (to signify waywardness), to the point where you start to suspect that they're avoiding being more representative of the actual city because they wouldn't be able to avoid being racist about it.

one thing i caught for sure from the cop one, that i already kind of believed from the fire one, is that the only real glimmer of interest they're working with derives from the women characters. i was imagining what the cop one would be like without burgess the uniform, or trudy the desk sergeant, or erin the detective, and the thought of all those dour scruffy cops men-ing it up is truly uninspiring. same with the fire one, gabby dawson was almost looking like an actual character for a second there, and her old partner was before they killed her off, but the fire-men are just an assemblage of pained expressions and single notes.

i doubt the racial politics of law & order is all that different, but it may be that the antagonism built in to the legal system let the writers imagine conflicts differently. the sources of conflict on these chicago shows all seem basically melodramatic; they have a basis in possibly genuine conflicts (the truck and the squad, the house and the cfd, the woman and the boys' club, all the nominally incest-coded fraternization relationships) but are mostly just there to be arbitrarily exaggerated as needed. (typical sign of conflict on fire show: 'are we gonna have a problem?')

on the cop one, it can be disappointing to think of how much of what heinous stuff that transpires there as a matter of course would have been pretty major on a show like 'the shield'. doubt would be a standard source of interest on a cop show with investigations, but it seems like they rarely have much doubt about a case or what they're doing. the only signs of doubt actually show up from the intelligence squad members, mostly about voigt himself whenever his reputation for doing dirt becomes salient because of a current issue. and the show positions him as a blank that the viewers don't know about either, but it's obvious that it's committed to protecting him from any real exposure to narrative risk. on 'the shield' there was a lot of dramatic interest derived from the fact that mackie had legitimate reasons to be afraid of being exposed, and just with the way his team operated, there was usually the frisson of the risk of improvised action taken amid uncertainties.

the one thing they seem to have going for them, that would be really interesting to see in a show with better writing, is the open borders between the shows - having the firefighters show up at the scene the cops are at, having anyone and everyone congregate at the firefighters' bar, etc. you can tell how underwritten the shows are, that there's very little sense of estrangement when you see a character 'out of place' like that. with more involving stories you should get a sense of perspective that's trained on the characters of the hour, so that it seems like you're seeing that other firefighter or cop from the outside for a second, but since every episode of every show has the same kind of surface to it, and never seems to weave the characters into something that matters way more to them right then than at other points you might witness in the show, their appearances onscreen are kind of indifferent to where they might place them within stories about whatever is going on at the time. (the thing on 'the wire' where they had rawls in the background of a scene in a gay bar, which they managed even within the scope of just the one show, seems like it's beyond the chicago shows despite the built-in help of the overlapping show 'worlds'.)

I'm in the UK and I have yet to see a post-Stabler episode of SVU. I'm rewatching from the start just now though (thanks Netflix!) and there's a really obvious run of episodes where it changes from crime-of-the-week to something like the UK soap Casualty and the focus shifts a bit too hard on to the regulars. I get the impression that after Stabler leaves it gets even worse for this, should I bother?

i think it stays watchable for the whole run (having just watched the entire thing recently, from what i'd see up through the years i had skipped). there are some… tonal adjustments over time as they look for other things to do and as the cast changes, but as long as you're ok with the basic premise that there will always be through-running story about the off-job aspects of their lives (of course always via linkages to squad business, per tv rules) the quality basically stays level.

it's interesting to get new detectives in the mix finally, and to see them shift benson into an elder role while compensating for the fact that she stays dramatically to the fore rather than moving into more of a supporting part like dann florek's. they go through a period of having very little law stuff to match the order stuff, but then once a.d.a. barba is in they turn that back up, and he's good.

stabler spends enough time being frustrated by the job that once he leaves it doesn't even seem like a big deal to lose half the lead team. i think that probably shows that they did achieve some kind of balance in adding 'personal stuff' to the l&o formula but focusing for so long on the lead team; it certainly didn't seem like, i don't know, the abrupt loss it might have seemed like if nypd blue had suddenly canned dennis franz 12 years in. stabler leaves and the show remains stable.

(in contrast the shifts on criminal intent are way more veering and unbearable.)

lol I'm watching old episodes and noticed how they've transitioned into a period with all order and no law

Also pretty gory sometimes

The best part of L&O was that the brief number of character development episodes still played out as as story of the week episodes. The status quo of the show and the main players never changed, but viewers had a window giving a little more character depth. But overall, the show was still episodic -- the dynamic had cops in the field (and occasionally at the station) that would be joined and mirrored by the prepping for court/in court dynamic of the attorney scenes.

Toward the last third of the seasons, they started to veer into the dynamics that they lean on in SVU now and it was so disjointed. The formula was such that they could swap out detectives, attorneys, and the DA over time but they ended up having to do so too often, and tried to make a narrative out of it. Probably the most inexplicable moment was when a DA gets fired and she exclaims, "Is it because I'm a lesbian?" And despite having watched the show, I had no idea that they had established any sort of sexual orientation whatsoever for the character.

SVU is pretty much "this job chews up people and ruins their lives" as a running theme now, with differing levels of plot gymnastics to get that in there... for every single character.

re southerlyn: they hadn't. the only possible evidence that they had does not really even lead you to consider that she might have been, aside from her closing scene.

i don't think the l&o dynamic ever particularly changed after the rey curtis years; aside from van buren's final season (cancer plotline) and mccoy's election plotline once he ascended to the schiff slot, both of which tended to thread more through their seasons than was the custom, characters still generally get the same beats of 'development' that every character ever did: a bit to introduce them, to see them off, and the odd episode here or there that was atypically focused on them somehow (like, i dunno, the rob corddry one where he gets his online minions to doxx bernard, so some of his personal life is aired). but there was more flux in the detective and d.a. roles around, say, just after briscoe left (short term for fontana then, followed by a short term for cassady, short term in the bottom slot for lupo, green's departure, and about two and a half seasons for lupo in the top slot with bernard joining) and just after southerlyn left (a year later, followed by a short year for borgia, two years for rubirosa in the a.d.a. role, and then two more once cutter joins to replace mccoy when he moves up). that naturally makes for a semblance of the character-centricity changing, but i think it's just that there's more turbulence so the character beats are a bit more frequent.

dick wolf's wikipedia is nearly hallucinatory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_%26_Machine

^ s. epatha merkerson plays a police captain.

Sgt. Eve Edison, a beautiful police officer who is also a sophisticated gynoid robot capable of learning and emotion

yup i remember watching that stupid show

"there's nothing natural or healthy about statutory rape! you're coming with us"

this is really the every-episode episode

They hyped the whole *400th Episode* thing so hard, I expected a little more than "I was fucking my teenage son's black friend and my son shot him."

They need to bring back some of the supporting characters of yesteryear, like Ice-T's gay son who hates him.

yeah idk I get the impression the production team doesn't care about pinnacle episode garbage. they plan some multi-episode things on occasion or the occasional season closer cliffhanger but any time L&O has a "wow amazing third season of blah" commercial" it's usually the network just pulling up an angle

always

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6493756/

chicago justice pilot

judge danielle melnick!

guess she did survive getting shot by white supremecists

omg the d.a. lead is BEN STONE'S SON

he must've gotten the looks from mom

'screw my father. maybe he can live with one foot in heaven.'

ahhh that's why they keep mentioning his dad

shambala green is going to be on too

upthread yo

i mean so far the show is kind of egregious but

just watched the beginning of this pizzagate episode

Fin holding a mop and saying "so uh, this is your teenage sex slave?" almost killed me

wait, this show is still on?

did you think especially heinous crimes had somehow stopped being committed

i totally thought Hargitay had thrown in the towel and decided to retire/kill off the show. i guess that NBC lucre too hard to turn down

she's getting half a million an episode

that pizza gate ep i just watched it. effing lazy storyline steal.

last half was horrible, needed more ice-t

yes i know this is the svu thread, it just has some crossover eps

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/09/sophia-bush-im-screaming-on-the-internet-238129

what's her take on the chicago pd scenes where they throw someone they arrested into a cage in the basement and threaten them with violence?

there are so many decent things in the show that it just seems incredibly awful when they have this junk inserted into a series that takes place in a city that actually did horrendous shit

the desk sergeant is the best character

yeah that's what i was wondering

Chicago PD wants to be The Shield so badly. (It's the best of the Chicago shows by a mile, but it's still garbage.)

aaaand they upped the ante with Sophia Bush's character pistol whipping a pedophile and shoving a gun in his mouth

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/canceled-tv-shows-2017-1202422996/

“Chicago Justice”: Dick Wolf’s law-inspired spinoff for the city of Chicago was canceled after a single season, which averaged a 1.1 rating and 6.1 million viewers per episode. It was the lowest rated of all four “Chicago” series.

wait, there were FOUR Chicago shows?

Yes

I don’t know what they’re doing, either

too bad, that one had lorraine toussaint reprising the shambala green character

I think I’ve seen one episode each of the fire and hospital shows. I just want my Wolfverse crime.

carisi using his apple watch to tell siri to remind him to check on a suspect's alias

lol

last night's svu about incels was very good pic.twitter.com/QM0pPVnmnG

— 𝚍𝚊𝚗𝚝𝚎 🦇 (@metaltango) October 12, 2018

and then i tried da dahk web

caught this by accident as it was airing, sadly not very good. they used the 'ol Strangers on a Train twist (and even mentioned it) which is some goofy lampshading

reddit's the dahk web lol

This episode was hilarious. I haven't watched new ones in a while, though there's a channel that runs a whole day's worth of old ones on Saturdays and I use those as mindless entertainment while housecleaning. This one almost reached the hallucinatory heights of ten years ago or so, when Ice-T would express incredulity at some new party drug or sex game that teenagers in rave gear were using on each other.

WARNER: the only explanation is a technique called electro-ejaculation

FIN: i don't like the sound of that

WARNER: nothin to it. insert this end in the rectum, and electric shock causes an involuntary ejaculation

FIN AND MUNCH: …

MUNCH: love used to be simpler

<next scene>

CRAGEN: and this is legal??

This was the episode with Bobby Flay, no?

incredible that this show has been going for 20 years

it sucks and its consistency is a direct result of les moonves’ “hot corpse action” fetishism, bring back original recipe

xps no, the crossover two-parter where benson tangles with a couple of con artists, one blonde, one wonder woman, daughter-mother

i think seasons 1-14 are on constant repeat here in the uk but nothing after that.

no, the crossover two-parter where benson tangles with a couple of con artists, one blonde, one wonder woman, daughter-mother

Bobby Flay was in that episode! Him and Julian Sands got probed.

oh lol i guess i don't know how to recognize bobby flay then, i guess i always imagined he was like emeril lagasse x futurama's elzar but different

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— ICE T (@FINALLEVEL) November 19, 2018

which fake porn site from this episode of SVU are you? i’m nice booby dot net pic.twitter.com/QaoxuLIcWb

— Ben Rosen (@ben_rosen) August 18, 2019

i watched an episode last night called ballerina with carol burnett and matthew lillard and it was INSANE

Oh I remember that one. It also the same season as Wildlife.

wildlife is pretty great but ballerina really blew my mind. carol burnett is incredible and even by his standards matthew lillard really chews the scenery

I've spent years researching YouTube culture and internet culture and Richard "I'm definitely a woman and a wife using my husband's account and not a man who is excessively horny for Raul Esparza" (Lastname) is still one of the funniest/weirdest things I've ever seen pic.twitter.com/LZ88A85eJv

— Shannon Strucci | ZineQuest2 Kickstarter live! (@plentyofalcoves) February 17, 2020

https://www.vulture.com/2020/02/dick-wolf-nbc-universal-deal-2025.html

three more years of svu!

currently on constant repeat are seasons 17 and 18, post-munch and so episodes I'd not seen before. and showing 4 a day so I'm catching up quickly.

lol at the fictional people message at the start and then featuring an ex boxer who is now the face of grilling equipment. and today's episode was about a child sex ring in the basement of a restaurant... (oh mentioned upthread)

now they've rolled back to series 1 (and 21 is showing once a week). munch and stabler. benson still there (and munch guested recently).

will be interesting to see if i remember episodes from that far back, 1999.

the catch here are that there are 4 episodes a night. that's a lot of svu.

Just like the old TNT rerun nights... "Back to BACK to BACK to BACK!"

today's episode came with the warning "contains sex, violence and *outdated medical terminology* that you may find upsetting"

what was it?

"consumption"

i really only enjoy the stabler seasons. need him being really judgmental in a way befitting a catholic cop and olivia having to argue for victim's rights.

also stabler is just on the edge of police brutality in every scene with a suspect

the R word

it was actually quite shocking when they finally got around to it in the legal bit in the 3rd act

and munch's conspiracy theory schtick feels so much less quaint now

ice t turns up in first episode of series 2, i figured it was much later.

4 episodes a night means a season a week

series 3 now.

i think every episode has a scene where they interview someone who just keeps on working, hanging up clothes, tidying bars, sweeping up...

they keep saying that the average stint on svu is 3 years. Olivia's been there 21+, ice t 20 and counting

season 4, and today's lead prostitute is ADA Costas from NYPD Blue, which is quite a career change...

season 5.

lt fancy, moonlighting from nypd blue.

(switches back to season 17 and 19 after tomorrow, both of which i've seen during lockdown)

season 10. sideshow luke perry guest stars. and sara gilbert.

watching these daily (still) alongside the weekly 2021 episodes and they are chalk and cheese, the new ones are barely watchable. (yeah, filmed during covid, everyone 2m from everyone else, masks and screens everywhere, but i think it's something else, just the overall quality of something that's off)

Last several seasons just weak, especially once they moved Liv to the Captain spot, but even before that. The 2010s cops and DAs are mostly meh

they've just ditched Casey Novak, the second DA, and the new one (Kim?) is being ignored by the entire cast. she lasts 22 episodes according to imdb. stabler's not long for this world either.

the last new detective lasted one season before murdering a perp (which i think was the plan all along). he was strangely stiff.

(they just did the usual end of season thing of everyone threatening to leave or being on the edge of firing, or arrested. i guess this stops the actors negotiating too much of a payrise)

ha! that's probably right. they didn't seem to prepare at all for Meloni leaving at the time though

I will admit I shamefully have watched all of L&O: Organized Crime w/Meloni

the first season was blah, the second has a decent start with Stabler undercover in the Albanian mob and has some decent bits for a while before reverting to more of the plot arc from the first season. crossovers with SVU are kind of dire

the o.g. L&O was great because, with some exceptions, it was more about the crime of the week and only lightly touched on the character backstories. by a few years into SVU, about half of the content was ongoing character drama

Criminal Intent was always kind of a mixed bag, but the character development was more interesting because D'Onofrio's character was a great big weirdo

def will be interesting to see if they can recapture the old magic with L&O: Classic returning

I doubt it, but you know I’m watching it anyway!

Really don't like the Organized Crime one. L&O is not about serial storytelling.

Once upon a time I had this kind of philosophical typology of the three L&O shows going... the original was Marxist because the villains were almost always the rich, Criminal Intent was Nietzschean because it was up to the super-smart detective to outsmart the super-smart criminals, and SVU was pure Schopenhauer - there is no hope, the world is pain.

Ehhhh I dunno, there a lot of SVU episodes with endings where the kid gets saved, or the victim gets away from abuser, or said abuser gets killed by a vigilante or something

I tried a couple of episodes of Organized Crime, just didn't take for me. Will take a warmed-over original recipe Season 20 any day

end of series 10 and the last few episodes have had the following guest stars

seven of nine
river song
jim from neighbours

still the same core team 10 series in, which is what makes it comfortable viewing i guess.

So who has been following L&O: Organised Crime? what a hundinger of stupid comic book villainy!

I dont imagine anyone even CARES about spoilers for this show. Dylan McDermott plays this nemesis/foil to Stabler and it just becomes a cartoon, complete with announcements via giant TV screen panels, kidnappings of mothers and a demand for a chopper, and the threat that if he doesnt get what he wants "I AM GOING TO TAKE AWAY HER LITHIUM!". LIke... what the FUCK would that do ,give her brain zaps?

If he'd actually, literally said MWAH HA HAAAAA at any point I wouldn't have blinked. I laughed my arse off.

please tell me they wrote him off the show by the end of season one

Haaaaaa... no. IN fact in S2 it basically turns into the "Stabler has an evil nemesis" hour.

I said it above, but the show almost was decent for the entire Stabler undercover with Albanians arc. BUT THEN the evil nemesis returned!

It's insanely goofy. And Trayce didn't even include the "young hacker employed by the cops immediately recognizes where the hostage is being held FOR REASONS" insanely funny bit

OMG YOU ARE RIGHT. I almost fell off my chair cackling, that was *chefs kiss*.

"I know those chairs".

Dylan McDermott as a mobster is only slightly more intimidating than David Schwimmer would have been

o t m

Ainsley Seiger is quite good fun in it but the show is absolutely terrible.

I think you probably could run a half-decent spin-off designed to be a sillier NCIS-style action show but the tone, with Stabler’s wife situation, etc, is completely all over the place and the plotting / acting is horrendous.

it bears mentioning that Seiger's character is named JET SLOOTMAEKERS

watched a very wild s11 episode of svu last night on prime video (they used to have every season of svu, criminal intent and main law & order but now only have seasons 10+?) where rosie perez's son is being abused by her boyfriend (played by prezbylewski from the wire) who makes a deal to get a lighter sentence in exchange for setting up a sting operation in which the head of a NAMBLA-style organization gives him a usb drive including the name and address of every pedo in the country. there's this demented courtroom scene where NAMBLA guy gives a rousing civil rights-style defence of pedophilia and the jurors are starting to look swayed (b.d. wong erupts in protest and gets reprimanded by the judge). perez is amazing in it, playing a hothead who almost messes up the sting when she stabs prez in the shoulder. apparently she suffered a herniated disc during the filming of the episode which lead to 2 surgeries (and a lawsuit with the L&O producers) :(

Munch retired again last night which probably means I've now watched the entire set. but I'll keep an eye out for the start of season 16 in case they skipped any.