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Opening the SF film festival this week - the "old" three shorts with Iggy Pop, Tom Waits, Benigni, Buscemi, and the Lees, plus seven new vignettes with The White Stripes and Bill Murray (WITH the Gza and the Rza!) and many others.

Maybe released in France/Japan already?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Could simultaneously be everything good about Jarmusch or everything bad about Jarmusch, depending on your own personal tak on the guy. Full disclosure: I am a fan.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

tak=take

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

yay!

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

u r great.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

the bits I've seen over the years (just like two or three of them) were good, so the whole thing is probably good.

are you going to this? did you get tickets?

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Kyle, it is about $100 for the gala screening. Will you sub me? Or perhaps recommend some of your dodgy websites that may supply me with a pre-release?

Yes, the original 3 are floating about on VHS and are available thru P2P it would see.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

my mom has become a friendly acquaintance of jj's father. they use the same pharmacy. the end.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

is "pharmacy" a euphamism?

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i never thought to ask. she can be a bit of dark horse sometimes, though.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I really hope this comes out on dvd or large-scale theatrical release soon.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought maybe they'd show it again at the end of the festival for cheap, but apparently, no. maybe you can go and pretend to be michael winterbottom or some other english person and they'll let you in for FREE.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh man, I really wanna see these. I had no idea he made a buncha new ones.

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder if I could still pass for Alan Cumming...?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe if I painted myself blue and put on a bad mittel-europa accent.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.apple.com/trailers/mgm/coffee_and_cigarettes/

Who's the blonde woman in a scene with Kate Blanchett? "How's Johnny... er Tommy" "Lee." She looks familiar but I don't know where from.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm seeing it next week. will report back.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I wanted to come up for the SFIFF but it looks kinda ass this year. Esp. since this is the opening only screening.

― dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

As mentioned on ILF, if Jim Jarmusch could make films in realtime for the next fifty years, I would happily watch them for the next fifty years.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

either this will be really entertaining or it will make me want to jump out the window.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i guess cinemas don't have windows.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

There's that one in Paris with a giant stained glass window on display inside of it. You could see it there and then jump into the window in a display of barvura, disrespect, and stupidity.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i will be yelling "EXCELSIOR!!!"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Can u tell me if the benigni scene is from an erlier J.J. short film?

― giandomenico, Friday, 9 April 2004 11:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. It is.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 9 April 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Out in France as from 7th April. It's very very good.

― Will McKenzie, Friday, 9 April 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks

― giandomenico, Saturday, 10 April 2004 06:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck me it's Will!

― Ricardo (RickyT), Saturday, 10 April 2004 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

this movie looks like s**t sorry

― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 April 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd rather see "gerry"

― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 April 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

(i mean, if i had to choose, which i don't--this thought arises from a friend quizzing me, the authentic american, on what i thought of sundry hip american filmmakers.)

― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

does jim jarmusch still count as hip? actually, does any indie american filmmaker count as hip? if so who?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

gus van sant is def hip here in france

gallo and jarmusch (whose new films opened this week on the same day) shared the last cover of 'les inrockuptibles'

linklater and hartley seem to be nobodies here, however

― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

you'd think the french would be all over linklater!! not to mention hartley, though maybe they are whenever he actually releases a movie.

you know i used to love jim jarmusch so much but nowadays my feelings about new movies from him are roughly akin to my feelings about the pixies reunion tour, ie i am pretty apathetic.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah jarmusch, which the exception of dead man (and the counter-exception of a gfew dreadful moments in that film; not to say i loved it totally, otherwise), has been sort of doing "jarmusch's greatest hits" for a while, with diminishing returns

although to be fair his first film is a bore

― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah exactly, it's just like i've heard this song before...

(still a huge fan of dead man though, and i guess he's only done one film since then though...)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

have you seen "permanent vacation"? to be fair i think jarmusch sort of disowns it

i still think he's sort of a marginal artist (in the negative sense, not the manny farber sense), mostly applying (in facile ways) certain european art house strategies to uniquely american milieus, which totally has it's benefits but i wish there was more genuinely excitement in the images, rather than this sense of academic hybridization

― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

no i haven't seen it! and yeah, it's not really fair to judge a director on his first film...

i like your take on him though, i think it's pretty spot-on

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 11 April 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I've seen Permanent Vacation. It was his NYU grad film. Have you ever seen a decent NYU grad film? Cut the guy some slack.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Also - sometimes hip stuff is actually quite good.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

there's a thre

― kephm, Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Not that I'm being any sort of apologist. I pretty much enjoyed every Jarmusch film up to Ghost Dog, which I think is merely flawed.

And I want to see Gerry!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I also think that Van Sant is a far more interesting filmmaker than Linklater, but that's more down to my personal taste than any quantative idea of what makes a "good" filmmaker.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

You were saying, kephm?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i actually almost ended up seeing this tonight, just because it was playing at the theater down the street and i have a packet of tickets i need to use soon

but i saw 'demi-tarif' instead, and as i was getting out there was a HUGE crowd (well, huge for this suburban movie theater) waiting for the jarmusch (a well-dressed crowd too).

so i guess he really IS hip here

― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 11 April 2004 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i wonder what cachet he still has left in the US though.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 11 April 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

this movie gets a thumbs down from amateurist

cate blanchett is pretty though

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

post a video of you tearing the poster in half and then holding your nose as if it stinks!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

As much as I love seeing this title card:

<center>BILL MURRAY

</center>

I cannot see a movie that contains this one:

<center>JACK WHITE

</center><center>MEG WHITE

</center>

― dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

CURSES!!!

Now I will definitely not see the movie the world is against me etc etc.

― dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i have to admit the gza/rza/bill murray sketch had its little moments, mostly whenever rza addressed bill murray as "bill murray"

slocki: it wasn't offensive in any way, just a time-waster with some seriously boring stretches

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

the whites are not good actors btw

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't the idea supposed to be that the shorts are unscripted?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

that doesn't mean they shouldn't be good!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

they were pretty obviously scripted, at least in large part

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

(not that that's what you were implying (xp))

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

god, on a moment's further reflection, this was really a pointless movie, and dumb too

though, not sure if i mentioned this before, cate blanchett is pretty

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

luminous alabaster skin!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

"Back in 1986, director Jim Jarmusch was asked to do a short film for Saturday Night Live. He put Roberto Benigni and Steven Wright together at a table, where they had a goofy and improvised conversation as they drank coffee and smoked cigarettes.

Since then, Jarmusch has filmed many such clips over the years, with the most recent ones taking place in 2003. As time went on, he made the "conversations" more scripted and involved, and the final result is Coffee and Cigarettes, which strings them all together for a complete thematic piece."

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, so another failed SNL-related movie, then.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

the benigni wright thing is hardly a "conversation"

"complete thematic piece" = ????

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean the other two words don't always imply "thematic" by sheer force of will

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, so another failed SNL-related movie, then.

hahahaha!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

that it is not

at the very least, it's nicely lit

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, with a structure like this, it's very easy to cut out bits that don't work or feature talentless "rock" musicians. Shame on us all.

― dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think any of the musicians featured are talentless, but iggy pop certainly hasn't done anything of interest for a few decades

the movie begins with richard berry's version of "louie louie" and ends with iggy pop's (bad) version, a gesture which seems emblematic of the general pointlessness

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think any of the musicians featured are talentless, but iggy pop certainly hasn't done anything of interest for a few decades

the movie begins with richard berry's version of "louie louie" and ends with iggy pop's (bad) version, a gesture which seems emblematic of the general pointlessness

ok wait, the coogan/molina bit is actually a half decent little sketch

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

oops

― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

stars of the movie: coogan/molina (VERY funny), tom waits (VERY funny -- his acting persona is exactly like jeff bridges), and the gza/rza/bill murray scene. very inconsistent, but the good shorts i liked a lot. i don't think i could ever sit through it again, though.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Saw it last weekend. It was watchable, but it wasn't very good. The White Stripes sketch was cringemakingly bad. Steve Coogan was funny. There were boring stretches. I don't know, it didn't really add up to much.

― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

four weeks pass...

saw it tonight. most of this movie suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

except the alfred molina/steve coogan one, which i actually thought was really good. cate blanchett was pretty good too, i guess, and the last one was kind of nice

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

but fuck man, talk about the worst treatment of coffee and cigarettes in a movie EVER!! i felt like i was owed at least ONE speech extolling their praises! and by the 238923th time he used that stupid overhead shot i was looking around for a window to jump out of!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

You can't just say it sucked when the thread started with this:

Bill Murray (WITH the Gza and the Rza!)

Was that awkward, or just dull, or unfunny, or labored, or ... ?

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

that was ok, i guess! sorta funny, too long like all the others!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

also (as my friend pointed out) who the fuck orders coffee for their friends BEFORE they arrive, as every single character in this movie does?!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, that's fucked up. The coffee would get cold, and if I showed up somewhere and someone was like, yeah, I ordered coffee for you, I would assume they laced it with angel dust.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

you know, coffee and cigarettes are such wonderfully cinematic objects/habits, and to be honest all the c&c stuff in this movie was soooo weak! from the cinematography to the dialogue!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

s1ocki otm regarding preordering coffee. wtf?

the italian mobsters thing was the worst, like a really bad snl sketch

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 14 May 2004 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

god, he's soooooo bad with the mobster stuff!! like in ghost dog!

(weren't these originally envisioned as snl sketches?)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 14 May 2004 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

sooooooo boring, this movie

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 14 May 2004 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

"oh, i took the liberty of ordering you dinner too. the grease has congealed around the steak and the fries are all soggy now, but it's the thought that counts eh?"

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 14 May 2004 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"thanks, man. i got held up in traffic by some bitch in a hybrid."

― x Jeremy (Atila the Honeybun), Friday, 14 May 2004 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh dear, m4rk.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 May 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Who's the blonde woman in a scene with Kate Blanchett? "How's Johnny... er Tommy" "Lee." She looks familiar but I don't know where from.

haha!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 14 May 2004 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

prim cate was so much hotter than messy cate

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 14 May 2004 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

big big smile

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 14 May 2004 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

You lost me at implying there were problems with Ghost Dog.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 14 May 2004 06:49 (twenty-two years ago)

ooooooooh. So so lame. Just wretched.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 22 May 2004 05:44 (twenty-two years ago)

it's bad? don't tell me that adam.

― Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Saturday, 22 May 2004 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i still think the molina/coogan one is great, but yeah, as above, this movie is a piece of shit

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah. But British people are awesome. The rest STANK, and made me totally reconsider my admiration for Jarmusch. The humor in so many of his films seems laboured and stultifyingly obvious all of a sudden. Even Dead Man - Is it not a frequently beautiful film punctuated by overlong sub-Monty Python "wacky" dialogue scenes? And that's one of my favourite movies!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I always thought Steve Coogan was great, but he did something quite new in his scene. Subtle, but new.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

We had one of those nights last night, actually - waited ages for a ridiculously overpriced veal scallopine in an old SF steakhouse, and then saw this terrible movie. I told my wife I was pleased it wasn't a first date.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

the way the tables keep turning in that one really is pretty brilliant, it's amazing how much better it is in every way than all the rest of them

(xp)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.thebrooklynrail.org/film/may04/coffee.html

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Saturday, 22 May 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"Even Dead Man - Is it not a frequently beautiful film punctuated by overlong sub-Monty Python "wacky" dialogue scenes? "

YES. i hate the humor in that film, especially the weird homo-baiting scene with iggy pop.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

One other good thing about this film - hearing "Crimson & Clover" during the "Renee" scene. I love that song.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 23 May 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

er, ok

(a lot of the music was nice, in the bancholé skit they had some good 60s rocksteady playing on the jukebox. although the iggy pop version of "louie louie" played over the closing credits is ass.)

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

almost as bad as that lou reed "egg cream" song in blue in the face

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 28 May 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

but i think "er, ok" is actually the perfect response to that article

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 28 May 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

or maybe "sure why not"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 28 May 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

that was my second choice

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 28 May 2004 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The Coogan/Molina was OK. Cate Blanchett was the best, and I guess the last one wasn't bad. The rest were wretched. Iggy v. Tom Waits and Murray v. RZA/GZA had so much squandered potential.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 5 June 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i will add my voice to the chorus of disgust. and what the fuck is up with iggy's cover of "louie, louie"?!? it's so bad as to be almost criminal.

― lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 5 June 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

He should do a hip hop version called "Henny and Blunts".
Starring:
P. Diddy as himself
Nelly as himself
Will Smith as 2pac

Cameos:
Lotsa niggaz from da hood
Tom Cruise
Bill Murray

― pingu, Monday, 4 October 2004 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

oh my, wretchedness reigns.

― cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

did you see it despite my impassioned warning?

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

PS - I TOLD YOU SO.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, it wasn't that bad, I enjoyed a few of the sketches (Coogan/Molina and Waits/Iggy especially). I also enjoyed the way the RZA kept referring to Bill Murray by his full name.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

my date stood me up as well. well not really. and then I got busted trying to steal into 'bubba ho-tep' after 'c&s' because I felt aggrieved I'd used one of my complimentary passes on it and wanted recompense, I've never been asked to leave somewhere before.

― cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

PS - YOU TOLD ME SO.

― cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, skip.

p.s. you have to mail marcie?

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, yes. did ally c tell you about the spaniard?

― cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I doubt it.

I'll ask him to.

should I go, to see "coffee & cigarettes"?

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

no else should but you.

― cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...

I saw the trailer for this the other night, it looks incredibly awful.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 16 May 2005 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw the entire movie, it was incredibly awful.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 16 May 2005 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

The Bill Murray + RZA + GZA exchange was good! Not much else though.

― Zebra, Alpha Go! (cprek), Monday, 16 May 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

his new one is coming out soon. it has bill murray and julie delpy and chloe sevigny and probably lots of other folks, because he always has "lots of other folks" in his movies. unfortuately i sort of wonder if he'll ever make a good movie again, not that i'm the world's biggest jarmusch fan or anything.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 16 May 2005 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

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