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Part of me wants to say "who cares", because I think the NBA is in such a state of "meh" right now, but I'm still amused by this.

Yea, try to load up on old future HOF veterans, but you're still not gonna do shit.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

What I think is even more amazing about this situation is that because of this series, it's only been now that all the press people have awakened to the fact that, you know, there's a not half bad basketball team here in S.A. Well, all but the people from the L.A. Times, but, y'know, the sports writers for that paper can just choke on a 50-foot telephone pole or something.

I thought the Spurs played sloppily in the 4th quarter, so I'm hoping they'll regain their focus and drive once they head on over to L.A.

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

S.A. won my respect last year long before they actually won the crown, with their insane finish to the regular season. And despite my dislike for today's NBA, I got real tired of people like this annoying guy I knew who kept saying Tim Duncan was a great player but his game was "too boring".

What, because he didn't learn 100 neato tricks to do on the court to impress the cameras, and simply goes about his game without flash, just effectively doing his job better than most anybody else can, he's not worth mentioning? He's only one of the better players in the league right now. Who cares how "boring" his style is. But this person still keeps saying it to this day.

LA fans will probably claim, if they lose this series, that it was all Kobe's trial that did it, though.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

GO TIMBERWOLVES

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The very least I can say right now is with the Lakers ousted, the other three remaining teams are all worth rooting for for various reasons.

The Kings want to finally get what they thought they should have had in 2002, the T-Wolves want to cap off their most successful season in franchise history with a ring, and the Spurs repeating would mean talk of the Laker dynasty would go from a light murmur (them saying last year merely 'interrupted' their dynasty) to a dull whisper.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

But let's not get ahead, they haven't lost yet. urgh.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, that and the fact that I just completely ignored the Eastern conference, who actually had the team with the best record in the league. I guess nowadays it's easy to do that with the East as bad as it is.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Frankly both LA and San Antonio are pretty weak ballclubs. It's just the paucity of decent ballplaying that's allowed these two teams to dominate for the past five years (exception: the one Laker team that was 15-1 in the playoffs was really really good, but otherwise the Lakers could very easily only have 1 title in the past five years. I have no doubt that the Bulls would have kicked the crap out of San Antonio in 1999 and last year the Spurs only beat the a severely crippled Lakers by the skin of their teeth.)

All that said: Tony Parker is ridiculously good. How this guy got drafted 28th? 29th? is beyond me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish half of Minnesota's bench wasn't in the hospital (along with Sacremento's Bobby Jackson). That series and the playoffs would be a lot more exciting if everyone was healthy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

that's always true, though.

― rgeary (rgeary), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

well, as I said, I don't like today's NBA. I think fundamentals have largely gone by the wayside. Teams are being too hasty with their shot selection as well. I mean, Steve Kerr can argue that better defenses and player sizes are contributing to the lower scoring all he wants, but I don't buy it, at least not as the primary cause. Dilution of the talent pool, more like.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

That Lakers-Kings conference finals in 2002 was one of the more exciting ones in recent years. I actually was on the edge of my seat for quite a few of those games.

Then the finals came and I couldn't get through it without yawning.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

agreed, no one is really playing actual fundamental defense beyond all of detroit and selected individual defenders. i won't be quick to blame the youth influx because the best prep-to-pro players have great fundamentals (kobe, kg, jermaine o'neal), but it is a shame to watch a player like darius miles get weighed down by expectations based on "upside" and have to sneak away to portland to actually emerge.

in other words nobody can freaking shoot anymore.

― rgeary (rgeary), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

And of course ,now the superstars, who did shoulder the load in the old days, of course, now have to shoulder more of the load, and it gets taxing, plus not exactly difficult to gameplan against. (EVERYBODY SMOTHER T-MAC!)

I remember when the Magic (I used to be a rabid Magic fan, I was there from the inagural season until about 1997 when I gave up on the NBA) went to the finals that one year, they had a great starting FIVE. Not everybody was all-star worthy, but they weren't doormats, either. Now you'd be shocked to find three players in one starting lineup who did anything but flop around.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

also, dee, i would say the la press definitely notices san antonio, it's just this season they got pushed to topic #4 (1 kobe drama, 2 shaq-kobe and general team drama, 3 sacramento rivalry, 4 s.a. rivalry).

― rgeary (rgeary), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

they had a great starting FIVE.

exactly. unless you are jordan, and even he needed help, you need good roleplayers. they are few and far between right now- i think detroit and indiana have all of them in the east right now. (nets kind of used to when lucious harris or bench scrubs would actually step up occasionally)

― rgeary (rgeary), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

That Kings/Laker series was fantastic, but only poor coaching by Adelman (who's an idiot) and complete choketasticness by Webber (whose got to be the most cursed player ever) and company (Peja, Doug Christie, HELLO) allowed LA to win that series (who played clutch, but really were not the better team, despite having the two best players and ninety times more balls.) The game seven of the Portland/LA series from 2000 was also exciting in a I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS FUCKING HAPPENING WAY but it didn't leave me thinking I was watching great basketball, just amazing drama.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Interesting thing of note, in 1989, expansion team Orlando Magic actually averaged 110 points a game. We're talking a team that was cobbled out of a bunch of over-the-hill journeymen here. (too bad they gave up 119 a game that year)

Now, teams breaking 100 is a big deal.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

uh, thank you for that. You make a great point -- that so many people are looking for little curly q's in the manuscript of the game that they miss out on the great prose that can exist within. I do think that Tim Duncan is taking on the David Robinson role here and stepping aside at times so that Tony Parker (who is promising to be the next Tim Duncan) can have his chance to shine. Also good call re: what the Lakers fans will probably blame the series performance on, though if they try to lay any part of the blame on Shaquille O'Neal, I will cry stupidity ASAP. I saw Game 2. I saw Shaq play an awesome game. Shaq is earning every penny he's getting and I do think that he should be credited for keeping the present-day Lakers actually in the game.

Another thing I'm impressed by -- the Lakers themselves aren't doing a heck of a lot of trash talking. Sure, there have been those few words said, but those were to be expected. I don't know how they managed to do it, but they've actually become something of a class team. And even Phil Jackson is downright mature compared to that idiotic clown Mark Cuban. Now only if they can solve the issue of the supremely immature Times sports columnists....

xp: You know, any complaints about how the NBA is in a weak position or that the Spurs are "fairly weak" strikes me as criticism coming from people who refuse to give the Spurs their due, no matter what they end up doing. Because I could've sworn the Spurs organization had made great strides in improving themselves and their game for all except for maybe this year, when I was a bit bothered by the huge lineup shuffle.

*snort* I would say, except it all comes back to us as being purely trash talk of the worst order, e.g. "S.A. is a rundown, ugly, one-horse town filled with idiots and you should avoid it at all costs". I was actually thinking more along the lines of the national press people; maybe I should've clarified that.

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

(Ha, I kept on needing to add more to that response, so call it a multiple xpost-style posting thingy.)

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

(Sadly, I haven't followed basketball closely enough this year to do more than shout "GO TIMBERWOLVES", but hey I'm good at it.)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, yes, the Kings had nobody to blame but themselves for blowing that series, and I never believe in saying "OMG, OFFICIALS COST THEM THE GAME", but that game 6 officiating was horrendous. and I know Shaq had been complaining a game earlier about non-calls, and that people like to ride him like a bronco during the game, but I don't exactly feel sorry for the guy, since he sends people sprawling to the floor on just about every play due to his behemoth size (and he was near 400 pounds at one point), plus travels every other time he has the ball and doesn't get called for it.

Still, I couldn't believe the Kings blew game 7. they had it in their mitts.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

That's ok, VengaDan. That's ok.

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

To be totally honest Duncan's game and demeanor are pretty boring. I mean people aren't making this shit up, 15 foot bank shots just don't inspire the way dunks and no-look passes and fade away jumpers do.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The low-scoring, boring-ass game played by SA or Detroit is why Dallas can be so much fun. I don't care if they win championships or not, I'll pay money to watch Nash, Dirk, Finley and the two rookies run up and down the floor all night. ('Toine and 'Tawn can go away, though.) If I wanted to watch a 74-72 game, I'll actually watch a minor-league, er NCAA game.

I'm rooting for Minnesota now, 'cuz KG looks like a god when he's on the court.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

dee, i think both a) the nba is pretty weak compared to heydays in mid-90s and throughout the 80s, but is on the way back up and b) san antonio is a great team and duncan would be the mvp if he could shoot a free throw.

parker is a great player and they have fantastic roleplayers- even most of the roster turnover was done cannily, ie horry replaces kerr and etc.

― rgeary (rgeary), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I barely followed this year outside of the first two weeks and the three Magic games I went to. At the last Magic game I went to, I couldn't lay off making fun of them the entire second half, they looked so horrible. (the Heat game).

On a side note, the Magic are in horrible shape. They used to be the class of this city, now nobody gives a fuck about them. At games this season, they were taping advertisement papers on seats trying to solicit people to purchase ticket plans. Sometimes the papers outnumbered the fans, it seemed. I even got a phone call from the Orlando Magic after going to a game, trying to book me a 15 game package. They must be desparate to sell seats now.

The best Magic-heat game I saw live, though, was in 1993 when Greg Kite started fighting Rony Seikaly.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yea, but what I'm saying is who cares how "interesting" his game is, except for ESPN? I mean, if I was a coach, I'd bench the player whom on a fast break, blew an easy basket because he attempted a showboat dunk and missed, rather than the guy who attempts the "boring" layup.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha milo, when the Knicks were playing that low-scoring boring ass game at least they were fouling people and getting into fights to keep it interesting. Detroit is like NY without that zany "I WILL BREAK MY HAND ON YOUR JAW" approach.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, try being a Warriors fan!
xxxpost

― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

the warriors have fans?

― rgeary (rgeary), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yea, how in the hell do you think they cool the arena?

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, uh, but most fans want excitement/drama/etc. It's just too bad that excitement is now Jordan copies. I guess he's easier to copy than Larry and Magic.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure most coaches would rather have Duncan, but I'll BET my bottom dollar that most owners would rather have Kobe/Garnett/McGrady.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Prior to the rape thing that is.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, of course, owners are looking to generate revenue. I'm not arguing that he's not "boring" in that sense, but not to someone like me. I'm a fan of watching people play solid fundamental ball over highlight film material. Oh, that doesn't mean I won't scream for joy when someone throws down a thunderous dunk, but I can get excited watching someone do his dirty work without flash too.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

this is the part of this thread where i vent my lakers-hate ... founded on all of those years of lakers beating the sixers in the finals!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Dunks are boring, but run-n-gun is way better than the fundamentals, slowing down and making fourty passes before you take a shot. Gimme Dirk or Peja over Duncan any day.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but there is something to be said for guys who understand that you have to entertain as well as play ball. Part of the Spurs problem is that they are a small market team, yes, but it's not their only problem. They don't play a terribly exciting brand of basketball. And Duncan with his too nice guy image and fundamental, but complete undramatic game is def part of that problem (also the Spurs have/had a reputation as being Jesus-freaks which probably doesn't help--people like to believe that atheletes are glitzy, not standing on street corners handing out Jack Chick comics.)

I mean Kevin Garnett doesn't play a game all that different from Duncans, but I'll bet you 9 out of 10 people would say that Garnett is the more exciting player.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I suppose I'm a fan of rotting the system from the inside. I'd rather the game go back to doing what it takes to win rather than consciously showboating for the cameras.

That's definitely not going to change anytime soon, though, or probably ever.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

rgeary, I think you're the first person who's talked about the "NBA heyday" whom I don't feel is actually taking a shot at a team that's not the Celtics, the Lakers, or the Bulls, so thanks for that. You do make a good point re: Tim Duncan; in fact, I do think most of the team as a whole could do better. I also think, though, that they've made significant improvements since I first started being a fan of theirs, i.e. the 1987 - 1988 season.

And I cannot stand the Mavericks. I view them as the Spurs' worst opponents who are unfortunately taking their cues from their truly uncivilized owner. If the Mavericks roster wasn't as nasty as it is, I wouldn't be as bothered by them, but heck, I've seen more class on Kobe's right ear lobe than in the whole of this team's roster.

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to see both great fundamental basketball and excitement. I was a child of the Laker/Celtic years though (which came after a HUGE basketball drought.) I can understand why Jordan-era people would just be hoping for people to BE ABLE to hit an OPEN shot for chrissake.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"If the Mavericks roster wasn't as nasty as it is"

What?!??!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Wha? The Mavericks are about as nice as you get, that's their second-greatest weakness (giving up 105/gm being the greatest). Bully them even a little and they're toast.

Eduardo Najera is great - the guy can't seem to play for shit, but he'll rough Shaq/Webber/Duncan up.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Dirk is so cute in Like Mike too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, Mavericks>Spurs for Nash's anti-war protest last year vs. D-Rob's "aw, shucks we have to support Bush." The difference basically covers my perception of the two teams.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I loved that era too. Nobody knows how to run a fast break anymore, like the Celtics.

that footage of that insane behind the backer from Magic Johnson still marvels me too.

I just draw ire at fellow friends of mine who knock people whose games are "too boring". If I was the star of a defending championship NBA team, I could live with being called a boring player :)

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Also Mark Cuban is a great owner. He's a nutcase, but he believes in his team and his coach and he's willing to spend dollar after dollar to make them good. Unfortunately they can't get a decent big man to save their lives.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Why aren't people impressed with Duncan's ambidextrous array of sky hooks? Those are hard to make!

― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, that D-Rob quote annoyed me to no end.

"We all need to be on the same page", yea, D-Rob, because you served in the Navy, that gives you the authority to tell people to stop thinking for themselves and adhere to groupthink.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah well I'm sure it doesn't bother Tim Duncan what people think of him. But I think it bothers David Stern when he looks at the ratings in the Conference Finals/Finals.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Dennis Rodman doesn't say nice things about David Robinson in his book.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark Cuban let Dennis Rodman live in his house, doesn't get any better than that.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I miss Dennis. He was always making games exciting. :(

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

hell, I think low scoring is the largest culprit of viewer disinterest. That's the one major complaint I make, and everybody else makes. And it's not just due to ball-control half-court offenses, either. It's due to lack of shooting fundamentals. Of course, then again, that's probably why half those teams run half-court offenses. Those who can run up-tempo games, do.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

You've always got Spree, but he's been on good behavior.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Dennis was like the Michael Jackson of the NBA (minus the pedophilia accusations obv.) PLEASE I WANT ATTENTION! PAY ATTENTION TO ME! It's pretty sad really, but man could that guy play.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah Sprewell just had that one thing. And everyone wants to choke Carlissimo. That guy is a dick.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

omg sign reggie theus to 10 day contract plz

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Rodman rebounded like a rotherfucker though. (sorry, couldn't type motherfucker, woulda broken the alliteration.)

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The only good game I've seen thus far was the last Mavs-Kings. Nash coming out and just nailing everything, the Bibby took over, it was close all the way down, everybody was making their shots, and it comes down to a last-second play.

Nothing compares to the Mavs scoring 83 in a half last spring, though. Van Exel was on that game.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh when Dennis was young he was the most amazing defender. He just smothered people.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Kind of makes you wish Ben Wallace was a whack-job, but he's way too normal to be Rodman.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I miss John "Spider" Salley. He was a fun personality.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Better hair than Rodman, though.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

But weaker tattoos. And he didn't fuck Madonna and brag about it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Also he didn't make a movie with Jean Claude Van Damme DIRECTED by Tsui Hark.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

In his defense, he also hasn't married Carmen Electra.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck though Double Team is just godhead. The exploding coliseum. The PRODUCT PLACEMENT by COKE!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

well, we got Yao Ming now.

"pas bal, im open"

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Unfortunately Simon Sez was pretty weak.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Simon Sez was pretty awesome, too - the cyberpunk monks.

x-post - heathen!

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha yeah the MONKS are terrible/wonderful.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

What was the name of the tall-ass white European who did a movie or two?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

How many NBA players had rap albums out?

I remember Webber had something out, I think Cedric Ceballos did, Wayman Tisdale has a JAZZ album out....of course the crappy Shaq albums (though Shaq had some pretty awesome guests on his first two albums)....

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Walt Williams has one or two. Walt Williams!

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Was AI's album ever released?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Gheorghe Muresan!

― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh god KOBE's record is wretched!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm the hoopa, the hypah, protected by Vipah!"

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yea, AI's album came out, however he just let the guests do all the rapping, he just appeared on the cover

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha MY GIANT!! That movie's awful. It's mostly Billy Crystal's fault though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"...an score one foh dah keeds!"

― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

what's sad is I just did a yahoo search for Iverson and rap and the first two links I got were about his police record.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

It's obvious that we're going to have different viewpoints about whether what Steve Nash did was proper behavior or not because of our differing opinions on whether or not to appreciate the U.S. and thus show respect to the biggest symbols of it (yes, I do appreciate this country, because it's actually given quite a lot to my family), so I won't get into that now. However, using this as an opportunity to say shit about David Robinson is NOT cool with me. David Robinson has become one of our city's finest citizens, a true role model and a great example. I will not have any negative things said about this man whatsoever. He's poured millions of dollars into various charity projects, has always been modest, is INCREDIBLY intelligent (holds an engineering degree), and has always been nice to those who've approached him.

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

See that's why no one likes him, Dee.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Halo, I don't think anybody's criticism of D-Rob was out of line. He very well may be a terrific person, I don't know, however, I and the other poster happen to disagree with the comments he made last year and found them incredibly narrow-minded. I don't see why that should be a problem.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure he's a really nice, responsible guy and everything. But if I want fine, upstanding citizens I'll hero-worship my grandfather or the mayor or something.

Also, I have photos of Nash and Dirk getting plastered with fans in Ft. Worth. Betcha Duncan and Robinson never did that kind of PR work!

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, my mayor might be a crook, so I'll take that back.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW, milo, thanks for reminding me about Eduardo Najera -- I actually really like him and hope he becomes MASSIVE. Yeah, so this means the Mavs roster actually includes some class acts.

See that's why no one likes him, Dee.

So shitty behavior will continue to be rewarded while being a good person will mean no one will like you? Hm. "Memo to self -- be more of a bitch to people so that way everyone will LOVE you."

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually the main reason why he was never liked apparently had a lot to do with his pushy born again X-tian preachiness, but obv his uber middle class upbringing had something to do with it too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Also Dee you still haven't told us why the Mav's players are BAD BAD MEN. Go ahead and be a bitch about that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

they don't tip very well.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? Well they are European.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

if they wanted to be real bad, they should hire Bill Laimbeer

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Now now, be nice friends people!

http://users.ev1.net/~hlsports/k1191.JPG

― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA.

I used to get that shit.

Manute Bol and Chris Mullin.

Bol scared the crap out of me. He looked like a 7 foot tall daddylonglegs.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet nobody fucks with them if they hire Jayson Williams after he gets out of the pen.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bigeast.org/sports/mbball/champs/history/photos/1983.jpg

omg! Chris Mullin with hair! And Stockton shorts!

― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

MUGGSY BOGUES MOFOS

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Now I see why they increased the length of basketball shorts. Any player that just happened to be freeballing it would be giving the audience a free show.

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

MOSES MALONE

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm turning this into my personal Mully thread.

http://www.woodenaward.com/images/players/pastwinners/MullinMug.jpg

― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Ya know I'll bet Chris Mullin is a really nice guy. Pity St Johns could never beat Georgetown.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

And the vintage Mullin pose:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/2001/02/07/sayitaintso_warriors/t1_mullin_all.jpg

― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

He looks like a gay porn star there.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm here to deliver a sausage pizza. Here's the pizza - and here's the sausage!"

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG WHERE IS LARRY JOHNSON

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

GRANDMAMA

― uh (eetface), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Also Dee you still haven't told us why the Mav's players are BAD BAD MEN. Go ahead and be a bitch about that.

Actually, I'm collapsing under the weight of being this confrontational and mean-spirited (sorry, but this really isn't my style), so I'll do a big cop-out routine and say that maybe my opinions were formed by the actions of a handful of members of the team in question as well as what its owner has been like (another sorry -- I will never be able to view him in a positive light), as well as the fact that the rivalry between this team and the team I'm a supporter of is such an intense one. So sorry to disappoint you like this, but <whine> I wanna go back to being happy and accentuating the positive now! Waah. </whine>

(Ha. You've already made up your mind about me, most prob.)

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

The Mavericks are a bunch of laid-back foreign players who've sucked for 18 of 24 years, we have no rivalries.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha see Dee really that's true. I cannot imagine anyone getting worked up about Dallas. But I don't visit Texas much so. . .

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I think of Cuban as being an enthusiastic lovable slightly crazed goof. I can't imagine what he did to you to make you hate either, but again I'm not a Spur fan so maybe I should chalk all of this up to cross-state hate.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)

There aren't any major interstate rivalries. The Cowboys never had much going on with the Oilers or the Texans, the Rangers and Astros have never been great (and that whole difft. leagues thing), the Mavs sucked too long to build a rivalry with SA or Houston.

Texas-Texas A&M is the biggest, but that's eclipsed by the Texas-OU rivalry.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Worth pointing out btw that even though I found Robinson's comments last year pretty lame, I respected the way Popovich handled the whole situation. Very classy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

And your view of Cuban OTM. The dude is the most harmless billionaire on Earth. He's not even a cutthroat businessman like Ross Perot - he's a nerd who worked hard and got really lucky. He's the only team owner around here who isn't slime.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 6 May 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Alabama's got to have the craziest interstate rivalry. Everything else just pales.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 May 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

fourteen years pass...

so did they win

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 04:36 (six years ago)

great thread

― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 04:56 (six years ago)

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