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Fucking great, the BNP assholes are in this area...

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I woke up this morning to find that I had been slipped a BNP pamphlet (3 actually). So what the fuck is that all about? Are they now everywhere. Dickheads. But I'm worried. My next door neighbour is the sort of old guy who buys into this "us against them" shit, and a fella up the road from me once gave me a bigoted rant against Africans invading "his" country ("Uhm... I think we invaded there's first" I replied, to which he got confused and went inside his house).

Fucking BNP. I bet they get votes as well the bastards.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, dickhead. The only difference between racism and your pitiful, upsetting misogyny is the target of the abuse. Fuck off once and for all. I mean it. Fuck off you pathetic little cunt.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing happening on CT today?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Markelby - you are an idiot. How the fuck am I misogynistic? Christ, I was being HUMOUROUS with the "voting" thread you moron. How dare you, quite frankly.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

CT?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It was towards CRW, he is active on another forum I visit where he is all sweetness & flowers!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Well this is my forum to attempt to be funny. I live in hope that one day it will work.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Although this was a rare serious thread. I'm bothered by the BNP (who are also anti-women and have jumped on this "rights for fathers" thing to try and promote their own bigotry towards single mothers). Very bothered by them. I'm bothered by these UKIP too.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I woke up this morning to find that I had been slipped a BNP pamphlet (3 actually). So what the fuck is that all about? Are they now everywhere. Dickheads

HAHAHA THEM BNP SCUMS ARE TAKING OVER OUR COUNTRY!! OUR JOBS!!! MARRYING OUR WIMMIN!!!! KICK THEM BNPS OUT OF MY COUNTRY!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

much as it pains me, calum is right. you're being as spastic markelby and no one attacked you here so maybe you should fuck off.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

bigots like cars and money

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

of course yes on the flipside.

HAHAHA THEM TROLLS ARE INVADING OUR MESSAGE BOARD!!! TAKING OVER OUR BANDWIDTH!!! MARRYING OUR WIMMIN!!!! KICK THEM TROLLS OUT OF MY BOARD!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

But my point is Calum, wouldn't it bother you if everyone started insulting you & generally being a pain on that forum?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Any excuse eh, Dave? Why not put your obvious brains to use on the side of good rather than embracing any nasty little cause that bourgeois liberals like me react against?

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Pinkpanther what's the CT forum? Do they get the same ratio of lame threads as here?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Because bourgeois liberals are the real enemy perhaps? *ducks*

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

liberals de la bourgeoisie

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a specific forum steve, not like ile.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

So when does this thread get locked?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

this actually is a good topic of discussion i guess. i don't think i'm aligned with many if any of BNPs believes. but haha comments like

I'm bothered by the BNP (who are also anti-women and have jumped on this "rights for fathers" thing to try and promote their own bigotry towards single mothers).

sounds like something a BNP would say about a muslim.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Incidentally, if anyone with a lot of free time today is REALLY bored and wants to come up with a post that answers Calum's "how am I misogynist?" question, the floor's all yours.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i think CRW could rescue the thread by asking questions about the subject e.g. anyone else frustrated by bigoted neighbours lately? or whatever, tho i'm not sure he is interested in doing that. just yelling about how you hate racists is a bit 'well duh' isn't it?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway calum, what sort of area do you live in (you don't have to say where) in terms of racial, religious, social and economic make-up? is it traditionally a stronghold for fringe right-wing groups or is this new and completely out of the blue?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

It's one of your fave areas Dave!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

markelyby this could be an interesting thread for a number of reasons so either contribute something or shut the fuck up and go away. and don't patronise me.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

haha i like the way pinkpanther is gently rebuffing all attempts to find out where the "ct forum" is.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i know it's in scotland!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

y'know, all two attempts.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i once saw calum put gin in his miso soup.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Pash, I like the other forum, so I don't really want a load of ppl going there to cause havoc for him.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

BNP's never made any progress in Scotland but it has a potential power base amongst Loyalists/ Orangemen

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I figured that was the case pink, don't worry abt it please!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

that's what i'm thinking... hence the reason that i want to hear more about this rather than people just yelling the usual kneejerk calum-abuse (not that it isn't normally absolutely understandable). and why is wanting to find out about the stuff that bothers me a "nasty little cause"? i'd like that explained, too.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the problem here Dave is Calum's other thread du jour 'can women be trusted to vote'.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Being a racist in Scotland is interesting if you also happen to be a Scottish Nationalist - you can hardly vote for the BNP can you? You just vote SNP instead!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave - my area is actually full of retired people, and some youngsters but not many. It's not somewhere I'd have expected the BNP to rise up - especially since we have only about 4 shops and one is run by Pakistani family who are awfully nice and their shop has never been subjected to vandalism or grafitti or anything that might indicate a "warning sign". But then again, the place I live is sandwiched between two bigger, cosmopolitan towns and I'm thinking that the BNP campaigning may have spilled over to the village. But I never thought they got much credence in Scotland.

P.S. SNP is hardly a racist party.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't say the SNP was racist just that racists vote for it

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I'd argue that as well.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

go on then

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember when my sister - who likes in glasgow - was really upset when her so-called "left-leaning" scotnat "friend" got pissed up and started haraunging her - "all scotland's problems are because of sassenach cunts like you" etc etc. FFS. Petty nationalism = teh sukc.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Just on the basis of knowing/ have known a lot of SNP voters I suppose.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

well, the bnp have been working in rural areas and small towns for quite a while.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Well is being anti-English racist? If so, plenty of SNP voters are racists

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I would say that many Scottish people feel angry towards the idiots down South who voted for four consecutive Tory governments, at the expense of us (who REALLY felt the brunt of it). If the Southerners weren't caring about what was going on up here, should Scottish people not have a right to vote for an independent country? (I say this without having any allegiance to the SNP BTW).

But I'm not sure SNP voters are anti-English any more than Tory voters are anti-Scottish (though I'd say that Tory voters have invariably never been outside Southern England).

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Plus, the postman delivered a bunch of election pamphlets thee other day, incl uk|p and b|\|p bumf (it went straight in the bin) he was royally fucked off abt delivering such stuff & said that last year he'd pitched all the racist stuff in a ditch. This year, head office watched them a bit more closesey. At the same time, letter deliveries in the uk are fukced up, as in these bike parts i ordered last week too 8 days to arrive from gosport, yet the postman is delivering election pamphlets wtf?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Racist can vote for it. It is a Nationist Party. Scotland for the Sots. Now it may be primarily racist against the English, but nationalist parties tend to have some sort of ethnocentric bias which is easily assiminlated into a racist mindview.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Again, I didn't say all SNP voters were anti-English, most of them aren't, some of them certianly are.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"Don't patronise me" - biggest pot/kettle juxtaposition EVAH! How many times have you waltzed on to a thread and rubbished it?

Calum, if you're not happy about the BNP standing, vote against them and encourage others to vote against them. Stop ranting like a Daily Mail editorial.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Calum, if you're not happy about the BNP standing, vote against them and encourage others to vote against them.

100% OTM there, barry!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

But until North Sea Oil and the advent of Thatcher, the vast majority of SNP voters were good old fashioned Anglophobes. They weren't nicknamed the Tartan Tories for nothing.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"sots"?!

I recall reading a single article some years ago about how there was severe colour-of-skin based racism in Scotland, both in the cities and outside them. Its argument was that it wasn't spoken about because no-one wanted to make a noise about it esp since the people who might have made a noise about it are happy with the image of Scotland as a sound left-leaning country. But I've never seen anything similar since, was it a load of made-up nonsense?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Daily Mail in anti BNP shocker?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(though I'd say that Tory voters have invariably never been outside Southern England)

you should take a look at the stats before making such general assumptions, the north of england, particularly areas of the north west, was, and in parts still is, a bastion of support for the tories.

― Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't patronise people by saying "you obviously have brains" because in many cases i'm not sure that's true. i just tell them they're talking bollocks.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

It wasn't nonsense Tim, I certainly wasn't surprised by it in spite of the "Aren't we all great and friendly" rubbish you're bombarded with in Scotland - mega xpost!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

and if you have a problem with calum's other thread, address it there rather than screwing up one that couuld grow to be interesting.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't like the use of the term 'racism' with regards to Scottish v English and vice versa but perhaps it's pedantic

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

and tim, i've found scotland to be virulently racist when i've worked there. anti-english sentiment is not racist, it's regionalist and also has some grounds thanks to the powerstructure of the past few hundred years.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

That's sour.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't consider Glasgow and its environs to have anything to do with the rest of Scotland. Where's Robbie Lumsden when you need him?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

and if you have a problem with calum's other thread, address it there rather than screwing up one that couuld grow to be interesting.
Was just guessing as to ppl's hostility Dave. Ppl's opinions may be that they have given him enough chances. This is not my opinion, but I understand if it is the opinion of other posters.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i've at times felt more uncomfortable being chinese in scotland than in england. but that may well be irrational, and it could be an away from home thing, esp since it's never an issue around where i live. and maybe because i mostly end up in bars with a lot of very drunk old people while in scotland.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

that was to markelby, pink

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

it's always very difficult to take CRW seriously on ILX because of the majority of threads he has started. that's not to say this particular thread shouldn't be taken seriously.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

you can take the subject seriously without necessarily taking crw seriously. in fact the latter is impossible anyway.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Stevem otm here.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

thoust kannst not taketh seriousthly one whom doth talkth shit.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

well it doesn't exactly encourage him to start making decent threads if people just trash hime WITH THE VERY FIRST POST on threads that could be half decent, steve

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

and dave s otm

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

thoust kannst not taketh seriousthly one whom doth talkth shit.

well that's all of us screwed, then

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Scotland = White, Presbyterian, Dour Hardworking Miserable Tight-fisted Cunts
Greater Glasgow = Catholics, Asians, Chinese, Fun-loving Fops

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

.. with two branches of Fopp?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

smee to thread, obv.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

you forgot the drunks

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

haha yes and the fucked up N.E.D.s hassling you for money.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

anywy, i'm just curious why the bnp would be trying to make inroads in scotland when the country has a much more palatable "brand" of nationalism that's a lot more successful. you'd have thought this would be the last place they'd go.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

then again it's always been seen as an "english" nationalist party anyway, so maybe they're trying to break down borders, be inclusive!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Pash: non-executive directors?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Like I say Dave, they have a potential powerbase with Loyalists - those guys love Britain and the Queen more than you lot.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

some sort of 'greater good/common foe' theorising i expect, nothing else makes at least a lick of 'sense'

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh, "you lot", nice one.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

gallery of N.E.D.s here, Tim:

http://www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk/

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

There are interesting things to be said about the BNP and politics in general. But my immediate and genuine reaction was the bitter ironing relating to Calum of all people getting upset at nasty bigoted people.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, I meant to say "you dirty English bastards"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

That's what I thought.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

(And Pash the NEDs gallery won't come up, but there's an instructive page on Glaswegian weapons, presumably wielded by the fop population....)

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk/gallery/gallery.html


??

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm something funny happening, can see your link but can't get there from the site itself. They look like non-executive directors.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i think we need to start a thread about bitter ironing.

the main problem is that you can never get rid of the bubbles.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

My Dad and five half sisters are black, I'm mixed race. My sisters and I have all been born and brought up in and around Glasgow and the only racist abuse I encountered stopped a good few years ago. It was always from groups of young boys - really young and was of the mindless "Go back to where you came from" shit. Dad moved here from Barbados over fifty years ago and had virtually no abuse targeted at him whatsoever.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

That's Glasgow for ya

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

In general I've found that Scotland, though mainly white, is open and acceptive to all races. Unless everybody I have met walks away from me mumbling "half caste bastard, go back to where you came from" under their breath.

I think the asylum seekers being shipped into Sighthill awakened a lot of latent racism, but the folk who live there are of the poor giro-class pack mentality anyway.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Coming from a pokey little town on the West coast of Scotland, when I think back to incidents of racism and nationalism/regionalism it strikes me that our own small town ignorance and lack of integration with other cultures might well be our downfall.

Apart from Asian families there was very little variety of cultures where I was brought up, certainly no West-Indian, African or Eastern European people. I felt a total hick on my first Southbound Victoria-Line train journey after moving to London and I kinda realised that the geographical seperation of my childhood was a total petri-dish for that evil, almost casual half-hearted regionalism and racism that stinks up many Scottish peoples attitudes.

― mzui, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the asylum seekers being shipped into Sighthill awakened a lot of latent racism, but the folk who live there are of the poor giro-class pack mentality anyway.

Unfortunately it's comments like these which make "the folk who live there" into racists.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

BNP leaflets spark investigation


Elections to the European Parliament take place in June
An investigation has been launched into European election leaflets delivered through letterboxes by the British National Party.
A number of complaints have been made to Strathclyde Police claiming the leaflets are "insulting and abusive".

The procurator-fiscal's office in Glasgow is now studying the leaflets.

The BNP said it was free to distribute what it claimed was factual material and argued that there was nothing in the literature which broke the law.

The BNP, like many political parties, is distributing election material across Scotland in the run-up to the European elections on 10 June.

Examining material

The Glasgow charity, Positive Action in Housing, said it had received 55 complaints about the leaflets, which show a Union Flag being burnt by men of Arab extraction above claims of an "asylum time bomb".

Strathclyde Police said they had brought the matter to the attention of the procurator fiscal, who is examining the material and considering an investigation.

It is thought that other fiscals in Scotland may soon follow suit.

Solicitor advocate Gerry Brown said that the leaflets could contravene laws on inciting racial hatred or simply cause such alarm or distress that they committed a breach the peace.

I think this is a total waste of police time and a big fuss about nothing

Steve Blake
BNP

He said: "I would have thought that with something as important as this - with the impact on local communities - it is almost certain that the procurator fiscal's office in Glasgow will refer the enquiries and reports to the Lord Advocate in Edinburgh."

One woman who received the leaflet told BBC Scotland: "I was almost too upset to read it. I was very shocked and felt it was an incitement to racial hatred."

The woman complained to her local mail sorting office who told her that, due to election communication, no-one could prevent the leaflet from being posted.

Kay Hampton, of the Commission for Racial Equality in Scotland, encouraged people to report to the police any materials which "appear to encourage racial hatred".

'Fear and anxiety'

She added: "Elections should be a time for the fullest debate of the issues faced by people across Scotland, but that debate should be informed by fact and directed towards solutions.

"It should not be an occasion for peddling prejudice and stirring up and exploiting fear and anxiety."

The BNP's Steve Blake said there was nothing in the leaflet which broke the law.

"I think this is a total waste of police time," he went on.

"The material was given the OK by our team of legal experts so to be honest, I think this is a big fuss about nothing.

"We are clear that we do not advocate any kind of violent attack on anybody simply because of who they are.

"The majority of people who are in the BNP and the vast majority of people who plan to vote for us, are law abiding, decent, hard-working British people."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3752615.stm

― Newshound, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

If you're going to damn them as "the poor giro-class pack mentality" - a phrase of which Norman Tebbit would be proud - then you can hardly be surprised when they start reacting accordingly.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Agree with Marcello on that one

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah and London isn't racist... it's virtually spot the black person in the shitty paying manual jobs as soon as you step off the train and into that horrid ceasepool of a city.

P.S. Marcello OTM.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ceasepool is a truly great word!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

places aren't racist, just some of the people who live in those places

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

oh they're all black are they? i never even thought about that...

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Can anyone point a clueless USian at an example of BNP crap? I wanna see a primary source.

― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah and London isn't racist... it's virtually spot the black person in the shitty paying manual jobs as soon as you step off the train and into that horrid ceasepool of a city.
P.S. Marcello OTM.

haha have you been to london lately crw?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Or at all, for that matter

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah and London isn't racist...

I wasn't talking about London tho', you can't put a frame around racist people and say that Stoke is more racist that Dundee etc.

X-post Pashmina

― mzui, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Can anyone point a clueless USian at an example of BNP crap? I wanna see a primary source.

YOu might as well Google for that if you really want to photoshop 'ILX' in place of 'BNP' on whatever you find know

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

There are no direct trains from up Calum's arse, apparently.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

jon, you could probably find something from google, if you really wanted to. Their MO is usually to hide their race hate behind talk of "faith", "family", "patriotism" yadda yadda. they also tend to hijack emotive issues, ie crime, environment, p43d0ph|l|a etc.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The thought of Jon googling the BNP and getting onto some kind of FBI watch list pleases me greatly.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

the issue of what must be 95% of the min-wage service jobs in London being carried out by non-British people isn't necessarily an example of institutionalised racism in the capital I'd say, more to do with an obvious influx in recent years that's difficult to manage esp. wrt to equal opportunities or whatever you choose to call it. Of course a lot teachers and medics are recent immigrants too and thank God they decided to come over and help the shortages there.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

haha yes. Plus, plz no direct links to bnp sites, referral logs, etc.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

how mainstream iz the BNP?

― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

El partido homologo al BNP en España, Democracia Nacional, hace un llamamiento a todos los Británicos que residan en España para que apoyen con su voto al BNP en las Elecciones Europeas. Democracia Nacional considera que el BNP es el único partido que defenderá los derechos de los británicos en Europa.


De igual modo, desde el BNP hacemos un llamamiento similar a todos los españoles que residan en Gran Bretaña, y por extensión, a todos los españoles que lean este comunicado (cualquiera que sea su lugar de residencia). Te pedimos el voto para Democracia Nacional, para que pueda luchar por la identidad, cultura e independencia española y europea.

― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

That's the most sense I've ever heard out of the BNP

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)


ENVIRONMENT - NO to pollution!

Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and a more human scale.

What should I read between the lines here?

― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Hitler would vote for them, that's for sure

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Hitler loved the UK in the early 1930's didn't he?

― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

they went to public school but are hippies

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It shows a healthy respect for the subject when it's used solely because it's universally unobjectionable and therefore a useful tool to get people to like/pay attention to you. As if.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

c.f. terminology: "poor giro-class pack mentality" Vs. "neds". TS.

sorry, but I've come to hate the economies of presumption and condescension built into, unleashed and galvanised by the phrase 'ned'.

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hitler was a GREAT painter! He could do an entire apartment, two coats, one afternoon!"

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Hitler loved the UK in the early 1930's didn't he?

i think he preferred it in the 1850s

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

What kind of music does the BNP like?

Hongroism?
Oi?

― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

would hitler vote for the BNP?

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick Griffin, yesterday:

"Charchill! Charchill! With his cigars and his rotten paintings, rotten paintings! He couldn't even say Nazi, he would say Naaaaazzzzzzzii. We wasn't Naaaaazzzzis, we was Nazis!!!!!"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

buns 'n' poses, obv

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

xxxpost

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I fully admit that my comment about the people of Sighthill was a bit nasty, but they were all out in force raging about the influx of asylum seekers saying that they would take their jobs when it is well known that the majority of people living living in this poverty stricken area - as most Glaswegians will back up - do not have jobs and exist on benefits. It is a disgusting area made up of some of Glasgows poorest herion addicts, shop lifters et al crammed together in high rise flats and the most ridiculous area to put vulnerable asylum seekers in. It is this non-educated subclass that would be the least amenable to other cultures moving in - and they proved that by assaulting and verbally abusing the poor immigrants who were forced to live amongst them.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

glasgowsurvival.co.uk

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

the 'Oi' scene did attract a BNP faction altho fans of the scene such as Gary Bu5hell have tried to distance themselves from that (preferring his own more diluted style of bigotry i expect) naturally.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Cozen is otm re 'neds'. I am sick to the back teeth of this shit.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Being a "ned" is nothing to do with being poor, it's about being a dick for the most part

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Are neds the 'undeserving poor'?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

No, they're just the irritating poor

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

cozen what am i then to call the person who talks thru his nose, wears checked cap pointing upwards, baggy sportswear etc who aggresively hassles me for money when walking through glasgow w.my sister? I mean, you could say the exact same thing abt "charver", but, I get onto the metro, and there's this group of fux0rz who, knowing that dressing like that, & talking like that gets one labelled "worthless charver scum" or whatever, nevertheless choose to dress like that, choose talk like that, choose to harrass elderly passengers, smoke "tack", tag, etc. Imean, so-one made ned/charvers etc dress like/talk like/act like neds/charvers etc, yet they still do. Self identifying, in't it?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

being a "ned" or a "charver" is 0 to do with being poor, it's to do with being a fucking knobhead, and visibly identifying yourself as such.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

That "ned" voice is hilarious, must take hours of practice

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, sorry, but neds and charvers actually do exist, and actually make actual working people's lives a misery.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay - what about the drawn faced 'blues' taking neds? Or the herion addict neds? I am genuinely scared of these people!

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Shouldn't we be starring out the B*P?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone should perhaps de-google this thread.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

And what about those n*ds?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

D'ya think they'll come for us?

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Pashmina, maybe but increasingly common usage does equate ned/charver with poor, or at the very least with anyone who happens to live on a council estate.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Common usage by middle class fucking dickheads you mean?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha, I thought so!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you know: Glasgow fact #42 Ned is an acronym for Non Educated Delinquent.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

well, y'know, fuck chavscum & shit like that, I live on a 1/2 council-owned estate, you know? WTF am I to do, think of a new term just b/c some assholes yet again equate "working class" with "criminal class"?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

charver i am told is/was a romany term meaning "thief" and "shit"!

Also an old n yorks. term for "lad", polari for "fucking".

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

why should it be degoogled? it's not exactly good publicity for the british national party. and the ned stuff is a bit low, if you ask me. looking a certain way does not give away yr entire personality.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Listen, if you grow up working class, on a council estate, in the Glasgow area - you know who the neds are and you spend most of the time laughing at them

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

We all sometimes abandon words because they have managed to accrue unpleasant connotations though don't we Pash?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

gis yer jackit yer dobber

― ned (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Reading between the lines on the Environment piece.

Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms - be the those forms oil, litter or asylum seekers.

We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. - The polluter here is refered to as an "other" and thus not a core member of the BNP support. Hence will be equated with those groups the BNP is again. (Note use of fascist friendly enforce here as well, with its attendant enforcers).

In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture - associated with inner city council estates associated with ethnic minorities. Modernism is juxtaposed against traditional values, and tied here to the 1960's a period of large immigration and therefore a bad thing.

with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and a more human scale. Local -not foreign, hence understood by a local workforce. Human scale housing = traditional British family units, not accomodating alternative lifestyles or extended family living. Human scale can also be juxtaposed against the "masses" which are threatening the British way of life et al.


― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

The only unpleasant connotation of "ned" or "charver" for me is a young twoc-er/vandal/petty drug dealer/ person, who acts and dresses in a certain way. Sorry, but I don't give a fucking shit about people who think working class = criminal class think or say, because by their arithmetic I = criminal class anyway.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Most convenient acronymic etymologies of words like that are incorrect, Rumpy.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

And I'm not giving up "ned" just because the middle classes have appropriated it and I will certainly not give up laughing at them and impersonating that stupid nasal voice they affect

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The association of working class = criminal class grossly misunderstands the usage of the word working I find.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I've lived on and off council estates/council owned flats all my life and I'm sick to my stomach at some of the non working addicts I have for neighbours. You spend the day at work then come home to find the communal gardens full of spaced out *insert non-derogatory tip-toe round them word here* who have been lapping up the sun ALL day. The ones I live with have dogs which really irks me - I can't have a dog cause I work full time boo hoo! Maybe if I started jagging up I'd finally be able to get a pooch - oh, AND get my bills paid for me!

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Any idea of the origin of the word Ned Ricardo? Anyone?

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate to say it Rumpy but you're beginning to sound like a potential BNP voter

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

the term ned was originally coined because neds all listen to reggae music, and reggae = raggett = ned raggett = ned!!!

thus o.e.d.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

qed.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

qed quaggett

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Ken was the original term but was too confusing for people from the East of Scotland, ye ken?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

ha

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i am not ken and nor is my wife

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean, nora is my wife

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate everything the BNP stands for - if I voted for them then half my family, including myself would have to move back to the Caribbean. I have run out of any patience I ever had for the minority that make my street a dangerously unpleasant place to stay. I cannot cross the road to go to the shop because I feel intimidated by the glassy eyed addicts who watch my purchases with avarice and beg for change every time I cross the door. I hate the smell of pish in my building, I hate that they lean casually on my car, and when challenged they'll say "Who the FUCK are you talking to?" Erm nobody kind sir, I'll just be parking the car two streets away and walking to my house in the future. Try living with it.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

do addicts really bother to vote? triumph for democracy!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean like yeah addicts are shit and as are people who piss in building corridors but lumping all that with BNP is crashing my feeble mind.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not....

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm sorry if i misunderstood :(

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

So am I. I'm also sorry to be so angry, it's out of character. ILX you bring out the worst in me!

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

it is understandable with the topic being such a sensitive and often personal one, and especially when as in your case it's so close to home.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

ILX you bring out the worst in me!

sorry to hear that, tho i wouldn't worry about people's comments on here THAT much as they don't you do they

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I'm a bit touchy 'bout issues like that. I should have read the thread title and stayed away. I try not to enter into serious stuff on ILX - I always end up ranting then spending the rest of the day upset.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I take everything so personally - such a sensitive wee soul.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

ILX brings out the worst in SteveM, that's for sure.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the Scottish Socialists are alright and all, but this one stupid lass wants to outlaw the word "NED". Well, fuck you my dear - but a ned is a ned and outlawing a word is so fucking stupid I don't think I like you much anymore. I hate Neds. They are cunts and I don't associate them with working class people either. Neds are invariable just twats. I have a middle class one living up from me.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

calum is right about that.. neds (chavs down here) are not just working-class. they become neds by their behaviour, not by their income.

― don (don), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

i am not worried about your comment there Pete. it doesn't bother me, alright?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I owe you an answer to your question, pashmina.

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

which lass was that crw that you spoke of?!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

she wasn't fit so he disagrees

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Rosie someone. Her name slips right now, but she's not doing her party any favours with such inane mumblings.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Certain posts on this thread symbolise what's wrong with ILX. Genuine, painful, life-affecting issues like being intimidated/threatened/robbed by nasty people* are rubbished by liberals-at-a-distance who are more interested in knee-jerk scorn and pointless prosthletysing on linguistic semantics. Have a fucking heart.


*find the bigotry in that, yo

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a strange thread.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

oh no and now there's a ned on the thread!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

us funny brits, eh? (x-post)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Avert your eyes from this thread Ned, it is not for you and your kind

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Are the UKIP taking over the anti-Europe vote from the Tories?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

the BNP is what exactly? the british nationalist party?

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Genuine, painful, life-affecting issues like being intimidated/threatened/robbed by nasty people* are rubbished by liberals-at-a-distance who are more interested in knee-jerk scorn and pointless prosthletysing on linguistic semantics

Where are they being rubbished?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

you and your kind

hatin' on the Irish now!

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Where on earth did ANYONE rubbish people being intimidated/threatened/robbed?

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Avert your eyes from this thread Ned, it is not for you and your kind

I tremble! (Though not so much, based on who started the thread anyway.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

That's not me being necessarily argumentative by the way Mark, its more that I can't be arsed to trawl through this entire thread to find it. In any case, I wouldn't play down the relationship between "genuine life threatening issues" and nasty bigotry because what do racial/classist intolerance and those attempting to spread it feed on? Oh yes, fear.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

No I meant Ned is not a nasty person or a liberal-at-a-distance who is more interested in knee-jerk scorn and pointless prosthletysing on linguistic semantics........ at least I hope he isn't

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

b n p = the british nationalist party, yes, j nathalie.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

MDC OTM.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Matt, address the problem of people living in fear because of the criminal/antisocial people in their neighbourhoods. How that isn't more of an issue than "what does ned mean" astounds me and makes me sad. But it isn't.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Who said it was less of an issue?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

at least I hope he isn't

So do I, actually!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I can tell you aren't Ned......... sorry........... I can tell you aren't, Ned

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

No-one said it was, for Christ's sake. But take a look at the number of posts a) that say "aww, sounds rough, rumpy" and b) that criticise her for the language she uses.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Well maybe if she expressed herself using less offensive terms then people might show her a little more sympathy

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice worldview, Dada.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry my worldview don't measure up to yours Father Markelby

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Your loss.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Incidentally, RP was being criticised with the language she used to describe anti-asylum seeker feeling - nothing to do with anything she experienced personally. In any case, its a red herring - I don't think class needs to be brought into the equation at all when you consider hatred and/or distrust of asylum seekers is currently prevalent across all strata of society.

Flip it on its head - if I were to go "I've just been beaten up by a big gang of black scum", would you lavish me with sympathy and ignore my language or call me out on it? They may be a) black and b) scumbags but that doesn't wash away the negative connotations, does it? Bigotry begets bigotry, even among 'liberals'.

I'm not sure what use me going "aww, that's rough" is, for anyone really.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

See also: Laughing at the proles: C/D?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, Fr. Markelby, I should have given that seminary one more go

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

In other words, one bad action doesn't legitimise a not-as-bad-but-still-slightly-dodgy reaction, in other words.

If there were people flinging around nasty racial abuse or threatening violence on this board they would get one thousand times the amount of stick Rumpy Pumpkin got above for one innocently meant if ill-advised phrase and well you know it.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Well the general tone of some of what she said was what i found offensive. In general, I'm sympathetic to her and don't think I was otherwise on this thread - who was unsympathetic? Dave? Marcello?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

If there were people flinging around nasty racial abuse or threatening violence on this board they would deservedly get one thousand times the amount of stick Rumpy Pumpkin got above for one innocently meant if ill-advised phrase and well you know it.

Is what I should have said.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno, I'm too worn out to read back. But while nothing anyone has said in questioning rumpy's words is wrong or even unfair, people are sticking their head in the sand of semantics instead of confronting the issues of drug addiction, unemployment, violence, intimidation etc. which are IMHO more relevant than the meaning of the word "ned".

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

equating charver hate w/racism is wrong, b/c racism = treating people unfairly over some physical difference which is wrongly percieved to make someone worse in some way, which is some intrinsic part of said person, no-one makes charvers go round ripping people off, shoplifting nike trainers, "tagging" publick transport, wearing stupid burberry caps & selling piss quality tack & whiz. Pah, fukc 'em all, motherfuckers.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark, you seem very fond of complaining about our fiddling with semantics while Britain burns. When exactly *was* the last time you manned a metaphorical fire engine?

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

people are sticking their head in the sand of semantics instead of confronting the issues of drug addiction, unemployment, violence, intimidation etc.

i think semantics of what is a ned and confronting drug etc. issues are both important. but apart from some aspects of violence and intimidation both have not a lot of relevance to the BNP?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

which kind of was once the topic of discussion

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Touche, Richard. I do actively do stuff to help my football club, but I'll be the first to say that's even less U+K in the arbitrary qualitiative list of wrongs I seem to be drawing up.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

When did Ned last see his feet because he really is a fat Miles Hunt lookalike git. In my opinion anyway.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck you, he's a fat Kevin Shields lookalike git. Cheeky cunt.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

[before today, nathalie probably thought BNP = Banque Nationale de Paris]

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The impulse that leads Calum to call out racist morons is the same as that which leads him to obsessively seek entree with the nicest poster on ILx (and that which leads him to invariably champion standard/non-marginal Brit youth music and politics). I mean, someone so unimpeachable couldn't possibly reject him, right?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Rosie Kane is the scottish socialist. I lost all respect for her when she made those comments about neds.
Most people did.

― Andy Jay, Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2964378.stm
Holyrood urged to protect 'neds'


Ms Kane said the term ned should be banned
A Glasgow MSP has called on the Scottish Parliament to condemn the use of the word ned.
The Scottish Socialist Party's Rosie Kane said the term was hurtful and disrespectful to young people.

Ms Kane said the word stands for a non-educated delinquent and is therefore degrading and insulting.

However, communities minister Margaret Curran accused her of focusing on "frivolities" rather than the blight of youth crime.

Ms Kane tabled a question asking the Scottish Executive to state its position on ministers using the term.

The former youth worker in the Drumchapel area of Glasgow wants the parliament to condemn its use, comparing it to ageism, racism and sexism.

Alienate youngsters

"If you were talking about any other section of society, let's say it was elderly people, and you used a derogatory term there would be an outcry," the MSP told BBC Scotland.

"Just because these young people don't have the vote and they live in some of the areas that you don't hear too much about or see too much about, it does not mean that they should not be protected in relation to language that is used against them."

The MSP has been supported by the charity Children in Scotland, which said such descriptions helped alienate youngsters from the rest of society.

Ms Kane and the charity said they were also concerned about the way young people have been portrayed recently.

Ms Curran insisted the priority of the executive was to respond to the problems encountered by communities and young people.

"I think it's much better that rather than blaming the people who use the term, you try to resolve the problem," said the communities minister.


Margaret Curran dismissed the call
"With all due respect I think you have a very strange sense of priorities.

"I'm quite happy to tell my constituents, the elderly women who are mugged, the hard-pressed families whose car tyres are slashed on a regular basis, that the policy of the SSP is to say to them be careful how you describe that because you might hurt their feelings."

Ms Kane told the parliament that statistics showed youth crime had remained at the same level for a decade.

"What's happening in other debates we have heard is a generalisation against young people all over Scotland," she said.

"These same young people have been badly let down. They have been pushed to the wall for decades and some of them are now the parents of young people we are now hearing concerns about.

"That is the result of poverty."

However, Labour's Duncan McNeill said that the word ned was used to refer to young criminals rather than all young people.

'Pharmaceutical consultants'

He said: "What are we supposed to call them - the guys that hang about the streets? Tracksuit ambassadors?

"Shoplifters as retail stock relocation operatives?

"Drug dealers as independent pharmaceutical consultants? What are we to call them?"

Ms Kane replied: "To call young people neds, drug dealers, shoplifters or any other thing is a huge assumption. They are young people."

In 2001 the word ned entered the Concise Oxford Dictionary, defined as a hooligan or petty criminal, a stupid or loutish boy or man.


― Andy Jay, Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2965040.stm

I seriously suggest everyone clicks that link and reads it.

― Andy Jay, Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Neds have as much a place in the history of British/Scottish youth culture as Mods, Rockers, Punks, Casuals, New Romantics, Indie Kids, Goths and the like - cultures which are usually typified by the clothes that they wear and the music they listen to.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

and suddenly i like neds a whole lot more...

My daughter (12) and her friend (11) were spat at, sworn at and generally intimidated in the High Street in Edinburgh by a gang of the very type of JJB sports-wearing goons Rosie Kane is asking us to respect.

The reason for this harangue? The girls were wearing black baggy clothes and Nirvana and Foo Fighters T-shirts. "Ned" is far too polite a word for these people.
Neil, Scotland

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I know the definition of the term ned is of little importance compared to wider issues of poverty and crime, but contrary to some people's claim the term 'ned' is an offensive term. It is not used to describe people who have committed a crime or intimidated people, it is used as a term for working class people with certain clothing, fashion characteristics. In some areas, the term scheme, scheme, or scem (shortening the e) is used for the same groups, because of their existence on housing schemes. The argument that 'ned' is only used of poor people who are nuisances reminds me of neo-nazi's attempts to use the n-word - claiming it doesn't refer to all black people, only those who don't work or commit crime. It is, in my opinion, unacceptable for an assembly member to use the term 'ned', and the SSP are right to ask officials not to use it (as opposed to 'banning' a word, or however the right may try to interpret it)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 27 May 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

that should read scheme, sheme-o, or scem

sorry

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 27 May 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Try living next to the fuckers.
Neds come from all backgrounds anyway. At least they did at my school.

― Andy jay, Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Kevin - middle class neds exist. They used to hang around my ex's estate in fecking Milngarvie and swig their buckfast and get wideass on you.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm certain that the BNP manifesto, when i read it online 'bout a year back, was much more full-on than it is now (eg actually using the words "deportation" and "segregation"). Now it's just got these watered down patriotic sentiments that i wouldn't neccessarily get too angry about if i didn't know about their real agenda.

― Slump Man (Slump Man), Friday, 28 May 2004 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

in other words, you more or less agree with them, as I suspect deep down does nearly everyone else who has posted to this thread.

Elsewhere on the thread: hey, dig DJ Martian's racist jibe at Nathalie!

nath: FYI, the BNP is our equivalent of Vlaams Blok.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 28 May 2004 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello, that's the lamest instigation I've ever seen.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2004 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

As ever I blame the parents and our over lenient attitude of schools whose discipline has been emasculated by goody goody government policies. Rosie should be concentrating on the victims in the poor housing estates and lack of police presence in these areas rather than trying to rename neds to confuse the unwary.
Paul Johnston, uk

Blame the parents, blame the schools, the first bit of Johnson's comment sounds suspiciously like lyrics from early nineties Fraggle bargain-binners Back to the Planet. But the second part is essentially correct imho - this is what Rosie should be concentrating on.

The argument that 'ned' is only used of poor people who are nuisances reminds me of neo-nazi's attempts to use the n-word - claiming it doesn't refer to all black people, only those who don't work or commit crime.

Oh, c'mon Kevin, that's ridiculous. The example you give abuses a whole race of ppl who had already suffered terrible oppression. You can't compare a term which is sufficiently nebulous as to lead to debate as to whether an individual belongs to the grouping or not with one which unambiguously abuses an entire racial group.

― MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 28 May 2004 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i think slump mans point might be that the bnp have been partially sucesful in masking their true nature. i'm not actually sure this is true though, perhaps to a degree. perhaps the UKIP is more insidious in such matters. it seems spin gets everywhere

― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 28 May 2004 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The more the BNP dovetails with the kind of sentiment you can read in the mainstream British press, the more its appeal will grow. The more the British press continues to bang the anti-asylum drum, the more it will feed into this, no matter how many times it shouts STOP THESE EVIL NAZIS - as potential BNP voters will simply reply "what are you saying that's any different?"

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2004 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Or as I said on the Le Pen thread:

One thing that strikes me about the rise of the BNP and the fall of the National Front is a play for respectability - the National Front bought out mainstream images of skinheads and graffiti on public toilets, the BNP is characterised by the suited, educated Nick Griffin who appears on Newsnight, and reports about Jewish (!) candidates.

But the refusal of mainstream Britain to accept them (BBC newsreader's faces still frown when they mention the BNP, they are only to be spoken of in a tone of high disapproval) pleases me, even if their attitudes and support are being fuelled by the same people (the Sun, the Mail, the Express) that would otherwise decry them. This strikes me as being a far greater problem - sooner or later Griffin won't be saying anything other than what you can read in any tabloid newspaper - maybe he already is.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2004 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

It is not used to describe people who have committed a crime or intimidated people, it is used as a term for working class people with certain clothing, fashion characteristics.

There speaks someone who has no idea what he's talking about.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it is used that way, whether it should be or not. Only by people who aren't from council estates, perhaps.

However, Labour's Duncan McNeill said that the word ned was used to refer to young criminals rather than all young people.

He said: "What are we supposed to call them - the guys that hang about the streets? Tracksuit ambassadors?

Thus undermining his whole point. Twat.

It's this conflation of clothing and criminality that's where the crap starts.

Ach, I said all this already on the making fun of poor people thread.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it is used that way, whether it should be or not. Only by people who aren't from council estates, perhaps.

Bingo!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:46 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone who thinks 'ned' is only or exclusively used to describe working class people is labouring in ignorance.

― Dave Amos, Friday, 28 May 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Bingo, nothing.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

When you use it to describe middle class people, are they criminals?

(this isn't a rhetorical question - I'm interested)

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)

N, I don't really know: I don't have access to their records. To me it signifies primarily a certain way of dressing and secondarily an implicit threat of violence (so, um, perhaps).

But there are (for instance) very very posh kids in north london who dress and act this way. I don't know if they are criminals, I expect even if they committed crimes they wouldn't be labelled criminals, unlike their working class counterparts.

― Dave Amos, Friday, 28 May 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, I don't want to pull rank on anyone but I actually grew up in a council state in the Glasgow area and being a ned has nothing to do with criminality

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

the thought of gangs of wildeyed neds roaming those tough streets of milngavie is making me giggle

― zappi (joni), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

what's your point though? that you wouldn't describe middle or working class neds as criminals?

As far as I can see no one is saying that you should, other than 'labour's duncan mcneil'

― Dave Amos, Friday, 28 May 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

― Dave Amos, Friday, 28 May 2004 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

You can be ned and never commit a crime in your life - just be annoying little wide-o

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

but how do you define wide-o? isn't it someone who's a little bit wide of the law, a bit crazy, open to fighting and theft? i.e. in many people's eyes, a criminal?

actually, i do know what you mean, neds are kind of anti-social but not necessarily involved in crime to the extent they could be seriously labelled 'criminals'.

― Dave Amos, Friday, 28 May 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of them are just wee guys who hang around street corners shouting out, "Hey mister, mister" and if you make the mistake of turning round they unleash a stream of invective, often incredibly incisive to give them credit, about yer hair/ shoes/ girlfriend/ general appearance.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The people who told Rosie Kane that she was ridiculous said it was all about criminality, be it low-level hassling of old people, vandalism etc, or something more (hence the 'anti-ned' drives from Jack McConnell et al.). Two of the supposed derivations of the word (non-educated delinquent and ne'er-do-well) refer to this kind of behaviour (the other that I am aware of is a link with 'teddy boy').

People who are playing the 'you don't know what you're talking about, you haven't lived it' card don't seem to all agree about what it means themselves, which is why I tend to find that card so lame in arguments.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

but who's playing that card other than dadaismus? (fwiw i haven't really 'lived it', but a few of my relatives have)

i suppose that some people get frustrated with being told they can't use certain words by people who know very little about the culture they're trying to defend (for example that it isn't a solely working class phenom)

― Dave Amos, Friday, 28 May 2004 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)

People who are playing the 'you don't know what you're talking about, you haven't lived it' card don't seem to all agree about what it means themselves, which is why I tend to find that card so lame in arguments.

You're right of course but I only know what it means to me and the people I grew up with - I don't think I was even aware of the term until my early teens, which is when kids start taking their separate directions in life. You know, you become a "swat" because you're good in school, he said bitterly.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that a Scottish swot or some kind of policeman?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it swot and not swat? Swat Not Swot - a Was Not Was tribute band formed by aging academics perhaps?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it swot and not swat? Swat Not Swot - a Was Not Was tribute band formed by ageing academics perhaps?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops, haven't done one of those in a while

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone put a National Front sticker on every lamp post in our and a neighbouring street last week.

Really depressing.

― MikeB, Friday, 28 May 2004 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

what are the differences in policy twixt NF & BNP? Which is the more right-wing?

― MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't see any difference

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

This was the most depressing thing on the subject I've read recently.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

BNP are the media-friendly, slick face of the far-right. The NF are a pretty small rump group, as far as I know.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Multiple multiple xpost...
It is a disgusting area made up of some of Glasgows poorest herion addicts, shop lifters et al crammed together in high rise flats and the most ridiculous area to put vulnerable asylum seekers in.

How do you think the working/middle (i.e. those above the criminal classes you mention) classes would react to vulnerable asylum seekers being put into "good" areas, with nice houses and gardens? The redtops would have a field day with that one. Those in Sighthill may be exhibiting a nimby mentality, but then again many the poor bastards don't even *have* back yards. It's a ridiculous area for anyone to have to live in, whether they're fleeing oppresion or not.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah - the idea that everyone in Milngavie or wherever would welcome asylum seekers with welcome, enlightened arms because they are not 'thick povvos' is kind of ridiculous.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry for the shit spelling.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm reminded of a friend from school who lived in Beckenham (rich suburb full of big houses with swimming pools). A neighbour came round once with a petition against an Asian family who were planning to move into the street and bring down the area, or whatever.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Gies Yer Jaekit

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 29 May 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Beckenham is fucking awful for that kind of thing, Nick - that explains my instinctive distrust of newer posh suburban areas (see also Bromley) - I used to spend a lot of time with friends who lived round there and encountered completely unashamed racism in various polite middle-class pubs on a few occasions. Whatever you might say about the areas themselves, something like this would never happen in Brixton or Peckham.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 29 May 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

It's interesting you make a point of saying 'newer'. Are you implying it's something about the areas themselves, or that they tend to attract the nouveau riche, and that they are worse for this sort of thing than old money?

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 29 May 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Disclaimer - everything in this most is generalising madly. Do not attempt to call me out on it as I'm not sure I really believe it myself.

N - I might be. I dunno - I'm not proud of labelling areas or classes like that but it's been something I've noticed considerably more in 25 years of living round here.

Is it really such a leap to imagine that coupled in with the desire to move out of said urban areas is an attempt to get away from black/Asian people as much as it is an attempt to get away from all those working classes they're trying to get away from. The difference being that in all these areas - Beckenham, Bromley, I'll throw Essex in here as well, are on the outskirts of cities, on the fringe of more working-class areas like Lewisham or Walthamstow or wherever.

These areas are populated, generally speaking, by people who have moved out from their closest area of London - largely working class, largely beneficiaries of Thatcherism. So an Asian family is a symptomatic of everything my straw man trying to get away from?

This isn't to discount the fact that there are racists in Dulwich, Blackheath or Hampstead, but I've never noticed it being quite so overt as I have in, say, Bromley, where I once had to run up the high street to get away from some racist twats who tried it in a pub.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 29 May 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, well Dulwich, Blackheath and Hampstead are all comparatively lefty rich areas. I wonder what areas like Kensington & St John's Wood are like for it. I mean, St John's Wood has got quite a few rich Arabs now. Our old house there was bought by an Arab family, and I know some neighbours didn't like the fact they they constructed huge security gates and the like, but yes, I guess there was some insinuation that that was part of wider impression that they didn't fit into the neighbourhood. I don't know if it would have been the same if they hadn't been Arabic.

Should people feel a duty to fit into a neighbourhood? Are there 'nice' aspects of neighbourhood that rely on cultural homogenity?

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 30 May 2004 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck, what am I doing here on a Sunday morning? Talking of BNP assholes, anyone read the totally unfunny (embarassingly unfunny) TV column by Charlie Brooker in the Guardian yesterday:

Poach Trisha from ITV and lock her in a windowless room full of clueless council estate scumbags

This cunt Brooker better pray he never runs into me - don't try it! But seriously, this kind of repulsive snobbishness seems acceptable among the "middle classes" these days, even in a liberal rag like the Guardian. Cunts.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 30 May 2004 07:43 (twenty-one years ago)

if you're depressed/fucked off by fascist activity at the mo, get out an DO something about it!

Unite Against Fascism - organising a nationwide campaign against the BNP around the June 10 elections ... www.uaf.org.uk
Love Music Hate Racism - gigs, raves, carnivals against racism and fascism ... www.lmhr.org.uk

ta

― lee b, Sunday, 30 May 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

perhaps Mr Brooker has encountered people on a council estate before that he felt were scumbags based on their attitude and behaviour - a horrible generalisation is sadly implied but otoh it's not a big leap, certainly not for the purposes of the 'joke' at hand. i agree too much about locking Trisha away to find it that offensive.

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 30 May 2004 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, I like her.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 30 May 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Backtracking a bit to the Sightbill asylum seeker discussion, a point that seems to have been missed is that there was a large amount of very cheap, empty housing available in the Sighthill/Springburn area because local residents would rather have stayed on the waiting list for something nicer than go into the tall flats (not surprising - although they've been done up a bit on the insides, the outsides are covered in supposedly pigeonproof netting and caked-on shit from the birds that made it through to roost on the balconies and when it rains the car park turns into a lake).

As far as I'm aware, there is not such a surplus of accommodation in Milngavie.

― Madchen (Madchen), Sunday, 30 May 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone who appears on Trisha gives their demographic a bad name or risks appearing a cornholio prolio - it's kind of in the rules.

Madchen, it's always amazed me just how urgently needed and desirable high-rise flats suddenly become, usually by people who've turned down similar housing, when asylum seekers move into them.

― suzy (suzy), Sunday, 30 May 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
We got one of those B|\|P leaflets through the door with all the other election rubbish, the irony of it did not escape us….

As for the Royal Mail delivering this crud, well that’s the biggest irony of all, if only they’d done that last time around!

― Plinky (Plinky), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

hi plinky.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Er, hello RJG...

― Plinky (Plinky), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it is a huge worry that racism seems to be on the increase thanks to Blunkett/ tabloid fueled paranoia about immigrants. It also, on the flip sides, puts the liberal press on the defensive meaning that ANY sort of valid debate about issues regarding religion (be it the suppresion of women/ circumcision et al) gets thrown out the window as taboo. So no one wins.

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

Stelfox and Mark C = perfect additions to a Calum thread

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 6 July 2007 08:50 (eighteen years ago)

Can we bump Carmody's "I was watching videos of black men being lynched the other day, and that happened to remind me of Stelfox" thread?

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 6 July 2007 08:50 (eighteen years ago)

God I was a dick.

― Mark C, Friday, 6 July 2007 08:57 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, everything was overheated by then!

― Mark G, Friday, 6 July 2007 09:02 (eighteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/exbnp-activist-recruiting-prisoners-to-join-alqaida-851592.html

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Saturday, 21 June 2008 09:02 (seventeen years ago)

"If you can get someone that's so right-wing to be converted, then a normal prisoner is going to have absolutely no chance."

lololololololololololololol

― DG, Saturday, 21 June 2008 09:13 (seventeen years ago)

Nice to see some sympathy for the BNP upthread.

― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 21 June 2008 09:14 (seventeen years ago)

God I was a dick.

-- Mark C, Friday, July 6, 2007 9:57 AM (11 months ago) Bookmark Link

lawl

― banriquit, Saturday, 21 June 2008 10:15 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

my local asshole threatens national asshole with death

― Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 08:49 (fifteen years ago)

How are these clowns doing in Barking btw? Anyone seen any polls on that constituency?

― Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:08 (fifteen years ago)

According to...ahem...a Daily Mail article by Peter Oborne - "Local opinion polls show that BNP leader Nick Griffin stands an excellent chance of unseating veteran Labour MP Margaret Hodge". Don't know where he's getting his info from though.

― Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:44 (fifteen years ago)

... inside his head

― Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:47 (fifteen years ago)


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