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Is there a difference? What are they?

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

COTTON CASINO ROYALE WITH CHEESE

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

snadwich?

― Elle a chaud au cul (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

They don't eat their bollocks in the UK?

― Penelope_111 (Penelope_111), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"snadwich"

no, i ask because i was discussing sandwiches with an american and they figured from what i was describing that yankee sammiches are different to brit ones. what gives?

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

what are the differences? i've had sandwiches in both places and they seem to be pretty much the same concept.

― Anthony (Plato Guy), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

they're bigger, in america.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Americans call burgers sandwiches sometimes.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Americans don't use mayonaise or salad cream. This makes their sandwiches inferior. (Except for the ones with Miracle Whip therein. Those are a miracle, indeed!)

― Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

what were you describing? there's some difference wrt to condiments/toppings (coleslaw, ack) but a sandwich is a sandwich, pretty much.

xpost - not often. and anyway, a burger is meat and toppings on bread which = sandwich.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

all the fast food burgers are called "sandwiches" but i think this has something to do with the FDA and the legal definition of different types of food.

― Anthony (Plato Guy), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

why not?

crosscrosscrosspost

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

not to be pedantic, but how is a burger not a sandwich? and kate, i practically have to vault over the counter to get deli guys to hold the mayo on my orders. i think americans use mayo just as much, although obv not salad cream (miracle whip is kind of simliar, though).

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude the difference is that American bread is foul and vile sweet GOO compared to the lovely carbo-goodness of good old honest British bread innit. Of course sandwiches wd be different if the bread is different!

A baguette of course is a different matter but a baguette != a sandwich.

Also a burger is not a sandwich because ONLY BURGERS CONTAIN BURGERS!! Sandwiches can contain any filling! Madness! MADNESS!

And mayo is foul too.

― Sarah reads the patriot act, Monday, 9 August 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you've got it wrong. all burgers are sandwiches but not all sandwiches are burgers.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"American bread?"

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

SANDWICHES indeed!

A McChicken Sandwich is exploiting a strange loophole in the world of sandwich though, I'm not sure if I'm pro or not. Is it McDs? It might be Burger King, I don't really care though.

American bread dude! Your "wonderbreads" and the like! Hideous!

― Sarah is hungry now, Monday, 9 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

you know, it has ketchup and nacho cheese in it?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

xxxpost

Mayo is one of the greatest substances ever to have existed.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

mm, American plain white bread is a bit nasty. I like a burger sandwich occasionally, a beefburger between two slices of mighty white with whatever is spreadable from the fridge, poke fingers through bread and burn on burger = nummy

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact perhaps I think all non-UK bread is foul, I vaguely remember not liking french loaves of bread but I was young then. So young. My parents made me order their drinks for them at the bar you know!!! I shouldn't have been allowed!! Although god knows WHAT they gave them through my mumbles of "chooo dah blo-range please sorry I mean si voo play".

― Le Sarah, Monday, 9 August 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

you know, it has ketchup and nacho cheese in it?

that sounds like a marks & spencer mexican chicken wrap.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

American bread dude! Your "wonderbreads" and the like! Hideous!

I don't know anybody who eats Wonder Bread. There are all sorts of breads available here in America aside from white bread. I personally love a good rye, but baguettes are good too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

lauren is right about burgers and sarah is right about american bread, in a way. white bread, in america, is kinda more sweet.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

talking average loaves.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude the difference is that American bread is foul and vile sweet GOO compared to the lovely carbo-goodness of good old honest British bread innit.

Um, maybe if it's fast food, but surely this doesn't apply to, you know, REAL bread?

Anyway, America has super-sandwiches like Philly cheesesteaks and shrimp po' boys, so surely we win.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm hungry now too. Has anyone heard of the "Sloppy Joe". Not the manwich version. This sandwich is a north New Jersey, USA regional delicacy containing 3 slices of rye bread, choice of meat (turkey, ham, roast beef), cole slaw and russian dressing. It sounds deceivingly simple, yet it is the best thing on earth.

By the way, I am confused by this concept of "UK sandwich"? Really, what is it like?

― mcd (mcd), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah man shrimp po boys, when done right, are like the best sammiches ever. Muffelatas are awesome, too. Can't wait to get to New Orleans later this month.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

THAT IS NOT A SLOPPY JOE U FULE xpost

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

http://mirrors.meepzorp.com/harrisonburg.k12.va.us/lunch/index_files/sloppy-joe.jpg

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Turkey on wheat, with tomato, onion, sprouts, Italian dressing, and lots of mayo. That's the sandwich I want right now. Is it British or American?

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

http://theimaginaryworld.com/kids171.jpg

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You're fucking up my whole steez Williams.

― mcd (mcd), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I have no idea what UK sammiches are like, having never been there. I do know that America has so many different kinds, and so many regional variations, that to generalize makes one look pretty silly.

Anybody here like the hot brown?

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Hamburgers are not sandwiches because they are on HAMBURGER BUNS.

Shrimp po' boys, catfish po' boys, oyster po' boys, half cheeseburger/half hot sausage po' boys from Gene's, muffelatas...kindly eat one of each of these for me on your trip, Stence.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

po'boys are on hero/sub rolls, so they don't count either then.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

the only sandwich i had in New York was this pastrami thing which was ok but the bread was too weak to contend with the ridiculous amount of stewed meat they stuffed between the slices - still damn tasty tho - no room for salad, cheese or whatever tho - error

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Hamburgers are not sandwiches because they are on HAMBURGER BUNS.

this makes no sense at all.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

po'boys are on hero/sub rolls, so they don't count either then.

They can and often should be on french bread!

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Do bagels count? there's this amazing place near brick lane where they give you about TWO INCHES of salt beef in a bagel for £1.20. Seriously, there's more beef than there is bagel. Mmmmmm.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"salt beef?"

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, sure they're still 'stuff between two pieces of bread', but I don't use hamburger buns for anything other than hamburgers, ya know? Or have burgers between 'normal' bread.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

how is a baguette sandwich material if a bun isn't?

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

have the Brits equating Wonder Bread with "American bread" ever eaten bread from a real non-mass-production American bakery? There are half a dozen great ones in NYC alone.

the only sandwich i had in New York was this pastrami thing which was ok but the bread was too weak to contend with the ridiculous amount of stewed meat they stuffed between the slices - still damn tasty tho -

the meat is the point

no room for salad, cheese or whatever tho - error

American cuisine - too simple for the Europeans. Why not throw on cranberry relish, guacamole, chickpeas and sprouts?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, technically I am not OTM, but I still think of burgers as their own sandwich subgenre.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, sure they're still 'stuff between two pieces of bread', but I don't use hamburger buns for anything other than hamburgers, ya know? Or have burgers between 'normal' bread.

last week I had a veggie burger on rye, it was awesome.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

the bread was too weak to contend with the ridiculous amount of stewed meat they stuffed between the slices

This is what's known as a "deli" sandwich. Whole other breed of sandwich, man. You can't HANDle the pastrami!!!

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

have the Brits equating Wonder Bread with "American bread" ever eaten bread from a real non-mass-production American bakery? There are half a dozen great ones in NYC alone.

Yeah. I live out in the middle of nowhere and there are many great bakeries around! I don't think I have had any sandwiches w/Wonder Bread in at least 10 years.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I have burgers with bread when I have no burber buns/baps/rolls/cakes (in Yorkshire, like, a bap is called a "bread-cake", aye, innit, like, la, aye).

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Tomcat Bakery in NYC, where I used to work... OMIGOD, I don't even like bread, but their rye was a revelation!

― Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

eh? In my experience it's been American sandwiches with the over the top extras.

and meat isn't the point, otherwise it's a salad/plate of meat, not a sandwich. It's all about getting the balance right.

x-post

― Vicky (Vicky), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Burgers = rolls because they come in buns. Sandwiches are between SLICES of bread.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Although I did see a lot of white bread being eaten by the white bred in my youth, i think america now has pretty much wised up to bread

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Burgers = rolls because they come in buns. Sandwiches are between SLICES of bread.

A roll is a type of bread, not sammich.

Many other things are available on buns.

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

last week I had a veggie burger on rye, it was awesome.

Touche.

When I'm in Chicago I try to go to this Jewish deli called Ashenkaz downtown. I don't think I've ever finished one of their overstuffed sandwiches, it's good for like three meals.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

the best thing, before sliced bread, was the history of the sandwich.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Hamburger is a type of sandwich

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Bun with filling = roll. See ham roll, egg roll, ham and egg roll etc etc. Therefore burger is a sub-genre of roll.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm making catfish po'boys tonight Jordan, while I'm howmpfing the results I'll use my hippy superpowers to shoot some of the love out that way.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Roll is a type of sandwich

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

When talking about bread it should be obvious we are talking about the standard default bread ie the ready sliced white loaf!! I am willing to accept that America has nice bakeries that may produce a not-hideously sweetened white but it seems strange there's no big brand of bread which isn't foul, which is what's being implied on this yar thread.

ABSOLUTE MADNESS = Pret's "amazing no-bread sandwich".

So, that's a salad there, Ted.

It's not a sandwich if it's on a baguette or roll by the way!! Sheesh! It's a sandwich if it's from a load of bread!!

I am kind of of the theory that other types of bread apart from white loaf = TMFD. Bad me. Although I do eat baguettes a lot. But poppy seed/sour dough/rye ect well quite frankly biiiiiiiig dealio.

― Sarah had a refried bean wrap for lunch, Monday, 9 August 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

a "filled roll" makes me think of a roll cut so that it flaps but is not in two and a filling spooned into it or something.

if you have two distinct pieces of a bread it=a sandwich.

crosscrosspost

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Burgers = rolls because they come in buns. Sandwiches are between SLICES of bread.

High pedantry!!! It's meat between bread fer chrissakes! And fuxoring baguette is ok for snadwiches!!! My head is exploding here at the snarky, small minded, idiocy on this board. Sandwich in all its divine incarnations from England to France to Italy to Mexico to U.S. and beyond MUST BE WORSHIPPED!!!

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

ROLL IS BREAD, PROVEN BY SCIENCE

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

nobody in the US refers to what UK people call a "roll" as a "roll." Unless it's for breakfast, maybe.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Sarah you are teh painfull breadist

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

where are the narrowminded-view-of-sammich-people from

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

(I have never had a po'boy. I think I am missing a tasty experience) I did notice in the UK that they love to put shredded cheeese on every sandwich. Americans like sliced or melted gooey cheeese. Lettuce Atkins wrap snadwiches should be destroyed.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

When talking about bread it should be obvious we are talking about the standard default bread ie the ready sliced white loaf!!

perhaps this is the poverty of the British approach to non-haute food. there is nothing white about the standard default bread, in my view. it is wheat- or sourdough-based.

meat isn't the point, otherwise it's a salad/plate of meat, not a sandwich

as Kenan said above, we are talking about the 'deli sandwich', a different phenomenon than the 'sandwich'. meat is very much the point. (rye) bread is important, but is secondary - it's for holding the meat together.

Tomcat Bakery in NYC

also Amy's Bread, Eli Zabar's breads, Sullivan Street Bakery, Balthazar Bakery, Tribakery, City Bakery, Orwasher's, Ecce Panis. Not to mention all the bagel places.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Salt beef = corned beef?

And all you haters or American bread are OTM. You can get okay bread if you seek it out, but the cheaper or more accessible it is, the closer it is to Wonder Bread.

― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i like pepper + multiple cheeses!!!!!

― YES I DO (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

And aren't rolls basically special-sized loaves of bread?

― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems strange there's no big brand of bread which isn't foul

have you tried anything besides wonder? there are other mass-produced brands of bread. in the past two months i've bought loaves by: country pride (country wheat), matthew the baker (oat bran), vermont bread co. (multigrain), and arnold's (potato rolls).

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

if you were going to draw a loaf of bread for a terrorist who would kill you otherwise, you would ask for crayons to make it wheat or sourdough and he would kill you.

crosscrosscrosscrosspost

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

pepperidge farm bread is available EVERYWHERE in the USA

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

AND PROUD!

I mean what next?! A french stick TOASTIE?!

Shall we get onto the taking sides: baps vs barms vs cobs yet?

J.lu - NO!!!

I am spluttering with CULTURAL DIFFERENCES HERE!!!

― Sarah toasties, Monday, 9 August 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

It's meat between bread fer chrissakes

Sandwich rockist!

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Salt beef is very different to corned beef. It's a Jewish thing, and I think it's cured somehow. It's kind of pinkish, and comes in strips.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Amy's Bread! Omigod, Amy was next door to us (if it's the same Amy, she makes country Italian specialty bread, right?) - I used to fix her computer in exchange for ciabattas and stuff!

― Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

no, wooden. that's what we call corned beef in the us.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not a matter of seeking it out, it's a matter of grabbing the loaf of good wheat or multi-grain or sourdough off the shelf instead of the cheap white and paying 50 cents more (or whatever) for it.

x-post bonanza!

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

(it's brined, actually)

xpost

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Gawd I mean you can tell America isn't a place to go for TEA AND TOAST is it!! Does bread not have the same comfort value? This staggers me!

STAGGERS ME I TELL YOU!

― Sarah should be going home, Monday, 9 August 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I finish Pret snadwitches in like .02 seconds. Mmm "cress and air," delicious. Actually no. It is offensive and seed-fruit gimmick polyp-loaf just compounds the offense.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

You can get okay bread if you seek it out, but the cheaper or more accessible it is, the closer it is to Wonder Bread.

I don't know what kind of bread is accessible in all corners of America, but I can get a large loaf of excellent bread for $1.50-3. And not all mass-produced plastic-wrapped-with-preservatives bread is Wonder bread. There are some very good options in that category - Pepperidge Farm wheat breads, for instance, especially their farmhouse sesame wheat (a little sugar or honey-heavy, I'll grant).

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, deep breaths...for lunch, I am going down the street to a place Madison Sourdough and having one of their great turkey provolone (with lettuce, tomatoes, mayo + some this and that) sandwiches on country sourdough. I ate there three times last week, but I'm going back because of this thread.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm with Sarah and her breadism, if it's pre-sliced just keep it simple, stupid, no bird seed in there thanks. I hate that shit. I bet people who like that are big Sam Adams drinkers, you know who you are.

x-post oh for a real tuna melt, or a reuben, or any proper snadwitch!! FUCK.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's that sweetness that upsets us UK people.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

my ghetto supermarket (NO MORE LOVE FOR BIGGIE - they took the SHRINE down WTF?) sells all sorts of wheat, oat, grain breads.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

mmmmmm salt beef, another good import

Pret bread does suck i agree with Tracer

you bastards have made me want a sandwich, and guess what the nearest sandwich outlet to me is...

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone had the Pepperidge Farm POTATO BREAD? Mmmmm, guilty pleasure.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Malted Granary bread is best for me, but not multi-grain overkill like you can get

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The poor potatoes.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

whatever. i'm right.

ps -tracer, in october you will come to n4 and i will make tuna melts and we will eat them in front of the tv.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Sam Smith more than Sam Adams

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, Tomcat Bakery has a website now:

http://www.tomcat-bakery.com/

I can't believe they're still in LIC! They've been about to move to Woodside or Sunnyside or somewhere for about TEN YEARS NOW!!!

Awwww... nostalgia...

― Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Tracer, have you tried Bodeans? I had a reuben from there last week (with brisket though) and it was great, apart from being slightly stingy on the sauerkraut.

Paying 1.50 -3 dollar for a loaf of bread is akin to mentalism. When did bread get so overpriced? oh when it got over-poncified.

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Who knew sandwich semantics could be so divisive. I'm off to have a bacon butty.

― sgs (sgs), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Corned beef in the UK is this nasty, greyish processed stuff. It comes in tins.

Granary bread is the king of sliced bread.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

corned beef in the uk is great!!! mmm corned beef and piccallili butties.

Sarah? white or brown bread, and what sauce ;o)

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

in general, bread is much cheaper in the uk.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Corned beef in the UK is this nasty, greyish processed stuff. It comes in tins.

I feel so, so sorry for the UKers then, for you will never know the joys of a good corned beef deli sandwich, much less corned beef hash.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

it needn't be sliced wooden

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

lauren u must be cranky and rude to me for the real NY diner experience

x-post yep, Bodean's is where i watched the Sox battle to game 7 of the ALCS, the owner is a TOTAL SWEETHEART who gave us 5 beers for a tenner, and invited us downstairs to watch the rest of extra innings, long after he was to have shut.. their burgers are meh but their brisket = top

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Something about today is encouraging the tradition-breaker in me. I'm going to go eat a WRAP sammich now OH NO! IS A WRAP A SAMMICH!?! OH NO! FITE!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Paying 1.50 -3 dollar for a loaf of bread is akin to mentalism

on the Upper East Side of NYC, that's nothing. I buy $6 tomatoes at the same store.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Although there's that Tea & Sympathy song isn't there but I can't remember who it's by.

I suppose it's kinda taking sides: bread as well known reliable standby or bread as a multi-wow-flavoured gumphing bollochs. I know which side I'm on. GOOD OLD BREAD. I might buy another loaf tonight. OF HOVIS. And eat a ton of TOAST and then a ton of TEA. Ooh I've run out of butter thanks for reminding me there.

Blimey crosspost a gogo:

CABBAGE OTM: corned beef in UK = GREBT whether it's from a tin or from a deli! See also TONGUE!!

White bread. Tomato sauce IF IT IS HOT. No tomato sauce on cold sandwich, that's just MADNESS. Dear lord you're not even suggesting that are you?!

― Sarah should STILL go home, Monday, 9 August 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate, you are my only hope, please please look at the Reason thread on ILM?

(/off-topic)

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

SARAH GS DON'T EAT TOO MUCH I'M TAKING YOU TO POSH DINNER THX

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a gringo burrito

mmm lunch tongue

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Errr... I will try, Jordan...

― Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

it's my favourite place in London at the moment, we should go and watch baseball. Never had one of the burgers, not when there's brisket and pulled pork on the menu!

x-x-x-x-post, no I was talking to t'other Sarah, who was off for a bacon buttie

oh god Tongue, I'll have tp get my mum to press a couple for me - possibly the best meat ever

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

gabbneb you should check out this Fresh Direct thing.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(okay mark italian is fine :))

― sgs (sgs), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The supermarkets round here HAVE NO DELIS!! I am not going to be able to get any tongue unless I go to Peckham SafewaysMorrissons! Should I? Man... I'm tempted!!

― Sarah pulls out her tongue, Monday, 9 August 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Porky--white Hovis with buttah. (I normally eat wheat, but the Hovis was fresher and I'm leaving for the US tomorrow hence Mark will have to consume the rest by himself.)

I may be the only one to think that UK and US white breads taste pretty much the same? Except in the UK: harder crust.

I miss delis.

― sgs (sgs), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

ACKSHURELY the big prob with most NY tuna melts is that they put TOO damn much tuna on them, often with an ackshural ice cream scoop; result = you get melted cheese on top and a thin sphere of hot tuna wrapped around an ice-cold glob; the grill simply can't penetrate down into its fishy depths.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't actually seen anyone eat of these 'lettuce wraps' that are advertised anywhere now, but it sounds morbidly fascinating. I assume it would be very messy.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

eww that sounds minging. - the tuna scoop thing that is

No sauce then SGS? hmmmmm ;o)

our local sammidge shop does lovely tuna melts in Ciabatta with olives and mozzarella (and maybe pickles or chillis if I'm feeling fancy), they also do a helf decent approximation of a cuban sandwich too - mainly because they put too much filling on ;o)

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

can I just say thanks everyone, this thread is exactly what's been missing on Ilx for ages

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe I'll toss some ketchup on that. Or "brown" sauce. Eck, no I won't, nevermind.

― sgs (sgs), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree, tracer. too much tuna is a dud.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

sometimes I miss being a short-order fry cook.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

tuna melt on rye with thousand island dressing. numnum my arteries!

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

That sounds amazing, this thread is making me so hungry.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

the american corned beef deli sandwich:

http://pintglass.org/matt/corned%20beef%20web.jpg

― Elle a chaud au cul (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

ham sandwich, no vegetables, lots of ketchup.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

ketchup is a vegetable

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I just want to big up my local spaghetti house in Tufnell Park. A baguette with tomatoes, a whole ball of mozzarella, parma ham sliced off the bone and home made pesto for £2. Wicked.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i ate a tin of tuna with mayo last night, just on it's own (no not the tin, you IDIOT)

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

tuna is gross but I can make a mean tuna melt.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Does Fresh Direct grow heirloom tomatoes in their rooftop garden?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i ate a tin of tuna with mayo last night, just on it's own (no not the tin, you IDIOT)

-- the neurotic awakening of s (stevem7...), August 9th, 2004.

I've done that before. Tip: put a little chopped corrianda in it.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

have you gone atkins, s?

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I just ate the biggest sandwich. Please, everyone, eat sandwiches.

― mcd (mcd), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't spell coriander.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ketchup may be vegetable based, but it's look nice and processed to me.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i want a big felafel with papaya hot sauce for lunch.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Fresh Direct tomatoes.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

have you gone atkins, s?

you can pinch an inch - but no i was just peckish and lazy as usual. earlier that day i had eaten a slice of black cherry cheesecake from the local Turkish bakery - nice tho the base not really crumbly enough for my taste

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i want a big felafel with papaya hot sauce for lunch.

WOW.

I changed my plans, I'm going to an untested nearby cafe to get a surprise sandwich. I will report back.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

you can pinch an inch

oh, not true.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Did sgs just say "'eck"? She's been hanging around Porkypie too long, ee.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I can pinch 2.1 inches :'(((((

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

do you have eggwiches in the UK? Roll-ups (an evil plot to supplant true sandwiches)? How about club snadwiches with 3 slices of bread?

US snadwiches are grebt.

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

one word:

MARMITE! (puke)

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

US sandwiches tend not to have butter on them the way UK ones often do.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

When I lived in the Netherlands, ppl thought it strange that I combined peanut butter and jelly between two slices of bread. They put sambal on their openfaced pb sandwich. I mean what's more normal than pb & j?

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Openfaced sandwiches are not sandwiches.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Maria - Not heard of an eggwich. Are roll-ups the same as wraps? Pretty musch all sandwhiches have two slices of bread here. Maybe extra slice is the reason for the American obesity epidemic?

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

How about club snadwiches with 3 slices of bread?

yeh, last time i had one was in the Glasshouse Stores on Berwick St - it was toasted but cold and kinda fell apart in my hands, hmph

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Do people eat liverwurst in the u.k.? every blue moon i will get a craving for liverwurst on rye with swiss cheese and onions and crisp lettuce and hot mustard. (and a big pickle on the side. and a bag of salt & vinegar chips. and a root beer.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

French fry poboy with gravy = true king of the sandwiches. Also at Crabby Jack's in Jefferson, LA one can get a roast duck poboy that is fucking insane.

Though seward's liverwurst idea sounds like a fantastic dinner tonite.

― adam (adam), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Openfaced sandwiches are not sandwiches.

obv. another person who does not know the hot brown.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

the standard club in the u.s. is turkey or ham or roast beef, cheese, lettuce, tomato, bacon on 3 slices of toast with mayo.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

that reminds me I need to try this vegetarian club at this one place.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

My dad spreads butter like it's cheese. He makes good sandwiches.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

A 'club sandwhich' in Pret A Manger has chicken, bacon, and two slices of (untoasted) bread.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

obv. another person who does not know the hot brown

Obviously! What is it?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.foodnouveau.com/recipes/maincourse/sandwiches/1/images/j.jpg

THE CLASSIC HOT BROWN

Prepare the Cheddar Cheese Sauce just before constructing the sandwich.

6 slices Texas toast, lightly toasted
12 ounces thinly sliced cooked turkey breast
12 (1/4-inch-thick) slices tomato (about 2 tomatoes)
1/4 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
Cheddar Cheese Sauce
2 bacon slices, cooked and crumbled
1/4 teaspoon paprika

Preheat broiler.

Arrange toast in a 13 x 9-inch baking pan or baking dish. Top each toast slice with 2 ounces turkey and 2 tomato slices; sprinkle with pepper. Spoon Cheddar Cheese Sauce evenly over tomatoes, and sprinkle with bacon and paprika. Broil until lightly browned.

Serves 6.

CHEDDAR CHEESE SAUCE

1 teaspoon butter or stick margarine
3 tablespoons all-purpose flour
1 1/2 cups 1% low-fat milk
1/2 cup shredded reduced-fat sharp cheddar cheese
1 tablespoon dry sherry (optional)
1/4 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon ground red pepper
1/8 teaspoon onion powder
1 (2-ounce) jar diced pimento, drained

Melt butter in a small saucepan over medium heat. Stir in flour; gradually add milk, stirring with a whisk. Cook until thick (about 10 minutes); stir constantly. Remove from heat; add cheese, stirring until cheese melts. Stir in sherry and remaining ingredients.

Serves 6.

Invented at the Brown Hotel, Louisville, Kentucky.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Chef Fred K. Schmidt at the Brown Hotel in Louisville, Kentucky, created The Hot Brown sandwich in 1926. In the 1920s, the Brown Hotel drew over 1,200 guests each evening for its dinner dance. The band would play until late, and when the band took bread, around midnight; people would retire to the restaurant for a bite to eat. Bored with the traditional ham and eggs, Chef Schmidt, delighted his guests by creating the Hot Brown.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, an open face does mean not a sandwich.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

so wrong.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

If you go to the right place in Philadelphia, an Italian hoagie can truly hit the spot. There are good places for pulled-pork sandwiches in Philly too. And pepper & egg sandwiches.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

mmmmm open faced club sand wedge

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is making me miss eating meat.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Maria, what about your favorite thanksgiving sandwich you always get?

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Hot Brown

Gimme.

(I'm still not convinced it's a sandwich)

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Google says "Results 1 - 10 of about 270,000 for Hot Brown sandwich. (0.37 seconds)"

I'm not sure I wanna know what Google will come up with if you just search "Hot Brown."

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

god i love this thread

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

also the concept of the hot brown has blown my mind

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost to Scott
Ahhh, called The Gobbler by some, the Fat Fred Fisher by others:

sliced turkey (right off a real roasted turkey)
stuffing (bread in a sandwich feeling - the more bread the better!)
gravy
mayo (can't have enough lube on this one)
and here's the kicker: cranberry sauce (which should more appropriately be called jelly cuz it's the kind that retains the shape of the can it flooped out of)
on wheat or rye

Take that, Atkins!

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

also the Cheeseburger was invented in Louisville, at Kaelin's.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Cuban sandwiches and Vietnamese hoagies are also big in Philly.


Maria-yeah, that's the one.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

feeling=filling

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

sort of:

'In the same the way that several forwarding-thinking nineteenth century working-class gastronomists had come upon the idea of housing loose beef in a sandwich shell for enhanced portability, there are dozens of nearly simultaneous claims to being the prime mover of the subsequent popularisation of the cheese-coated hamburger.

The inventor may be Louis E. Ballast, proprietor of the Humpty Dumpty Barrel Drive-In in Denver, Colorado who remembers having his curdy insight in 1935, after experimenting unsuccessfully with peanut butter beef patties and fried chocolate and meat confections best left undescribed. Carl and Margaret Kaelin of Kaelin's Restaurant in Louisville, Kentucky think they beat Ballast by a year, happening accidentally upon the cheeseburger in 1934 in a "hey, you got chocolate in my peanut butter!"-type incident. But such talk may be causing poor old Lionel Sternberger to roll in his grave, knowing full-well that he came up with the "cheese hamburger" first back in 1926 while working the grill at the Rite Spot in Pasadena, California. Either way, the cheese topping and the term "cheeseburger" quickly became ubiquitous.'

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

pigs in blankets are also not sandwiches but deserve mention

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

close enough.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't deny that people call something an "open-faced sandwich" or that I don't know what they are calling that.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks for the reicpe, stence. It sounds good!

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

open-faced sandwich = bald-faced lie

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Monday, 9 August 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

here, how can you have a sandwich without a lump of bread stuck on top
that's what they tried to palm me off with. an "open sandwich" they called it. bits of meat and carrots and stuff, squeezed out a tube. well, I kicked up a fuss. I told her straight. I said "look, dear, I don't know where you come from,"--well, I knew she wasn't english, she spoke it too well--I said "I don't know where you come from but we haven't had bread rationing over here for years. so, come on," I said "whack another slice on top," I said. I wish she hadn't, now, it cost me another ninepence.

then, of course, I must admit, I made a right charlie of myself, I did. I didn't know they had brown sugar. I said "bring another bowl of sugar, somebody's spilt their coffee in this one."

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

classic Aussie afternoon snack sandwich - 2 slices of mega-fresh soft white sliced bread. Butter on both peices. VERY thin smear of Vegemite. Slap together and eat.

NYOM.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Sandwiches I had in Britain that I've never had in America:

Watercress
Some kind of Indian aloo curry patty with lettuce and sauce in a sort of wrap thing
A chip bap! You eat french-fry sandwiches! With butter!

Sandwiches I eat in America that I never found to any satisfaction in Britain:

Egg salad (British egg salad was all wrong, too much mayo or something -- not as bad as French egg salad, which was basically just eggs)

Grilled cheese (this seems like it should be so easy, but it can be surprisingly hard to explain)

Peanut butter and jelly (during my childhood stay in the U.K., my schoolmates treated my peanut butter sandwiches as objects of both fascination and derision, like some small, pathetic, goopy alien life form)

― spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 05:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Back to the original question.

The Brits do not eat Peanut Butter and "Jelly" sammiches unless they are taking the piss for some reason.

Americans don't put butter in their sandwiches (although neither do I - total waste of time). This was the reason my American friend said our sarnies were very different. I found this strange since it's not as if butter is a main ingredient.

Americans have names and regional specialities for their sangwiches - it all sounds very exotic these hoagies and po'boys you speak of (please explain). We just have sandwiches and if asked to give more detail simply describe what's in em.

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, they are a very good hangover cure.

― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

A PO' BOY IS NOT A SANDWICH because I have seen them make it on SATURDAY KITCHEN and it involves too much real actual COOKERY to be a SANDWICH! It looks gross anyway! It's some kind of oh I dunno, OYSTER (in a SANDWICH!?!?!?) gumph in a long roll thing (not a french stick, I dunno what you call those things actually - anyone?) with loads of GROSS PICKLES (yuck yuck) clogging it up and some kinda "Louisiana sauce" - yeah okay then there. Fish sandwiches eh kids?! FISH SANDWICHES!

The only acceptable fish sandwich = economy fish finger sandwich on white bread with red sauce.

Trust me, I learnt this the hard way with a Pret salmon and egg breakfast BAGUETTE nb not SANDWICH. Although some people big up the CRAYFISH don't they? Well that can f#ck off it you ask me.

A HOAGIE is just a big long roll thing innit? Like one of those Subway 6inchers? It makes me think of thing slike Philadelphia Cheese STeaks - which is apparently a steak with cheese on it. Genius, whodathunk. I had one once and it made me sick very soon after chiz chiz. I like the name HOAGIE though. It sounds like something wot one coughs up.

― Sarah hello, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

And you know how you'd think 6inches is a lot? Well it's not actually, is it. When you come to talk about sandwiches, that is. But asking for a "foot long" - I mean, LAND is measured in feet, not LUNCHEON!!

― Sarah likes luncheon meat, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Sarah, part of me wants to send you to the Minnesota State Fair to show you how many different ways breakfast, lunch and dinner can be measured in feet. But you would be advised to approach with caution as their deep-fry technologists are, artery for artery, matching the inventiveness of the Glaswegian side and in some cases - deep-fried, chocolate-covered Key lime pie - surpassing that.

Americans will butter their sandwiches if they hate mayonnaise, or if they are a small child with a bologna or ham/lettuce/mustard sandwich. The brushing of salad dressing onto the bread as mayo/butter substitute has not taken off in Britain yet, but tellingly is happening at Subway.

Britons and others working in sandwich bars here call it butter even though it is clearly MARGARINE. Ditto for calling it mayo when it is in fact SALAD CREAM (that foul pus). There is nothing more niggling and annoying in a café.

A roll in Britain is the cheapest possible sandwich option at breakfast or lunch, whereas an American roll sandwich will be the most expensive (possibly a Kaiser roll).

Breadcakes are fabulous whatever's in them. Well done Sheffield for perfecting them.

Egg mayonnaise/egg salad has no particular national standard; I think it's an individual thing entirely depending on who makes it for you. But Americans rarely have it with mustard cress or watercress. I make it finely chopped (which is kind of Jewish); chunky and warm with loads of pepper; with a pinch of turmeric and garnished with coriander, with sweet paprika in the yolk like a whole devilled egg sandwich; or just a generic one when I'm in a hurry. All egg mayonnaise should have a teaspoon of mustard or mustard powder for each three eggs and oddly, you need less mayo the more you chop the egg.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Mayonnaise is the devil talking.

― WHITE FOOD MUST GO, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:52 (twenty-one years ago)

open faced sandwich = food on bread, not a proer sandwich. I've never heard Sarah talk more sense than on this thread

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Sarah, that sandwich with the oysters isn't a poor boy, it's a muffuletta (sp?), which is really glorified stuffed picnic loaf.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

the sandwich rockists come out, and they all seem to be FROM NURF

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The "authentic" lady on Saturday kitchen claimed it was a po' boy! In fact she KEPT GOING ON AND ON AND ON about the darned thing whilst I was looking away and wincing at the gherkings.

A muttuletta is a being in His Dark Materials, NOT A SANDWICH. Most preposterous claim so far on this thread, anyone??

Oh go on. WHAT THE NUTS IS A PICNIC LOAF? I'd be inclined to put it in the same trolley as PICNIC EGGS and therefore it would be one of those loaves of PORK PIES maybe with EG in the middle - madness.

― Sarah buzzes about, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

egg salad is terrific with a small bit of fresh parsley or dill chopped in.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

the more you chop egg, the more albumen is released (ie the stuff that binds mayo) hence needing less of the white goo.

but... warm egg mayo? hello food poisoning.

Muffaletta is the brash cousin of pain bagnat from the south of France.

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I would quite like an egg sandwich now.

― I'm flipping hungry now, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Porkpie - were you being serious about "albumen"? That's the name of that band The Egg's album innit?

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, he's right you know. what a clever album title for such a terrible band.

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)

albumen is the protein in egg (or at least the bindy stuff), yes. So no, no joking there, I think The Egg may have been trying to be "clever"

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)

That's the best album title since Snow's "12 inches of Snow".

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

ahem, aren't you forgetting something?

http://images.bestwebbuys.com/muze/440/446016.jpg

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

that's not good. that's moronic.

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

glad we cleared up the difference between Vanessa Carlton and Snow there

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Did Vanessa Carlton have a leaky bum bum though?

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

From sandwiches to the bowel movements of Vanessa Carlton in 204 posts ladies and gentlemen!

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, Chris - I was trying to remember pain bagnat, which I find vile due to Nicoise tuna being overcooked to my palate (a former chemo-puke, too). There are actually a couple of different poor boy sandwiches, but most people think of a sub. Our local grocery did them with swiss, cheddar and provolone slices and then ham, salami, bologna - you had to do your own veg and sauce garnishes and these were what people would generally have as a treat in their last day of school lunch which we were allowed to eat in the big municipal park.

Egg mayo also great with finely chopped spring onion tops. Only one green thing in the mix at any one time is allowed.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Sarah, that sandwich with the oysters isn't a poor boy, it's a muffuletta (sp?), which is really glorified stuffed picnic loaf.

muffelattas don't have any oysters in them.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

that's what I thought, I had an oyster po'boy in the keys and it was ok, but seemed a little, I don't know, dirty, like the oysters hadn't been cleaned properly. V nice with a bit of hot sauce on though. Not as nice as the blackened grouper sammidge we had in Islamorada mind

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Or the fried softshell crab sandwich.

― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

*falls off stool drooling, yet a little icky at the thought of crunching through shell*

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

keyword: softshell.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

just kidding, nobody puts the shell in the sammich.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

this one had a certain crunch to it

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe the breading?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The only acceptable fish sandwich = economy fish finger sandwich on white bread with red sauce

total mentalism. fish should not be mentioned in the same sentence as 'red sauce', let alone fingers. try swordfish, shark and mahi-mahi tacos, oyster and shrimp po'boys, salmon and tuna burgers, and crabcake sandwiches, not to mention (hello?) tuna salad.

pain bagnat

yeah, if sandwiches aren't open-faced, you'll have to tell the French as well.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

also (hello, myself) smoked salmon/gravlax/whitefish/sturgeon/baked salmon/herring on bagels or black bread. open-faced, even.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Barney Greengrass to thread.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

pain bagnat is a proper sammidge as it has a lid

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM, muffalettas don't have oysters, they have olive salad (and salami or ham or prosciutto and provolone).

90% of the po' boys I've had in New Orleans are on french bread, with lettuce, tomato, sometimes mayo, hot sauce, and pickles. I agree with you about the pickles, Sarah, I always pick 'em off.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

American sammiches really are more exotic than our ploughman's jobs innit?

And of course fishfingers are supposed to go with ketchup (red sauce? who says that?). Fishfinger sammiches are teh yum!

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never had pickels on a po' boy, to my knowledge, and I make a point to eat one every time I'm in New Orleans (next time is later this month). Weird.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

pain bagnat is a proper sammidge as it has a lid

not always. there are other French or French-inspired sandwiches that are open-faced, but I can't remember the names if they have them.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you get convenience store po' boys or restaurant po' boys?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

both!

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

AN OPEN-FACE SANDWICH DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring on the French!!! And whilst they're at it they can take their champagne back as well! BAH. Gimme a pint of bitter over a pint of champers anyday UNLESS there is also GIN and we hit the French 75.

Also shark = the worst fish meat EVER. Yuck tough shark steaks blugh blugh blugh.

With this "lid" argument we've basically hit the "real pie" argument again ie a real pie has casing and a lid whereas FALSE PIES - hello Mr S. Smiths sadly and Mr TJ Berndards I'm talking to you - do not.

― Sarah is full now, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - sometimes homemade ones too, from my stepmom's family.

Sarah is a sammich mentalist.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

All I have now is sandwich confusion.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

God I'm drooling for a good shrimp po' boy now. There is a local placed called New Orleans Take-Out, but it's expensive and the po' boys are too fancy (the bread's too crusty, the shrimp are hardly breaded and they put some sort of prissy garlic sauce on it).

Thankfully, my experiment with the cafe down the street turned out great...yesterday I had a simple club on french that was delicious, and I'm going to go back today for some pesto/goat cheese concoction.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it is hstencil who is the mentalist!

― Take THAT!, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

There are actually a couple of different poor boy sandwiches, but most people think of a sub. Our local grocery did them with swiss, cheddar and provolone slices and then ham, salami, bologna

suzy, that's a sub/hero not a po'boy.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

no way, you use way more exclamation points = you are the mentalist.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

a pain bagnat *has* to have a lid, as the whole point is to press the lid onto the filling and the base in order to make a nice pressed sandwich. Pressing straight down on the top of filling would be a messy nightmare. any attempt at other stuff would be a poncified "de-constructed"PB and therefore completely wrongified.

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Hot Browns might not be technically sammiches but they are like the greatest fucking things ever. There's a place here that makes veggie ones with portabella mushrooms and asparagus in place of the turkey and they put banana peppers on top of it GAAAAAAAH I DROOL.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

So what exactly is a Po Boy?

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never heard a worse rebuttal than that hstencil, and that's saying something coming from me! Go and eat an oyster on a poppy seed loaf of bagels with spaff dressing or something, you menk. I'll have a CORNED BEEF SANDWICH :)

― Daaaaaaaaa da DA, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

good po boy definition:

90% of the po' boys I've had in New Orleans are on french bread, with lettuce, tomato, sometimes mayo, hot sauce, and pickles. I agree with you about the pickles, Sarah, I always pick 'em off.

-- Jordan (jordan...), August 10th, 2004.

sans pickles.

Thank you, nickalicious, for knowing/defending the Hot Brown.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Go and eat an oyster on a poppy seed loaf of bagels with spaff dressing or something, you menk.

only a UK person would think of such a thing.

I'll have a CORNED BEEF SANDWICH :)

I liked corned beef until I became a vegetariannon-red-meat eater.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I've also never seen a vegetarian po' boy, come to think of it, it's either got seafood (shrimp, oysters, catfish, softshell crab) or meat (hot sausage, roast beef, ground beef).

X-post, I may be wrong then, what do you get on your po' boys now, Stence?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I get usually either shrimp or oysters, or a 50-50 blend. I'm not a real vegetarian, but I don't eat red meat, pork or chicken. I loves seafood too much to give it up, though.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

crusty french bread, roast meat or fried seafood (shrimp, oysters) with tons of gravy (if using meat) or mayo (if using fried stuff) and herbs and let/tom/pickles (NOT FRIGGING GHERKINS*).

*gherkins are lovely but have their place, and it's nowhere near a po'boy.

big xpost!

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually hstencil it was your MAM who gave me that recipe.

Num num corned beef. I still want some tongue actually.

― blah blah blahb albhaosoi, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

What's a gherkin?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

90% of the po' boys I've had in New Orleans are on french bread, with lettuce, tomato, sometimes mayo, hot sauce, and pickles. I agree with you about the pickles, Sarah, I always pick 'em off.

So it's a McDonalds without the meat?

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

here's a good link for Poor boys:
http://www.gumbopages.com/food/samwiches/po-boys.html

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, xpost

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually hstencil it was your MAM who gave me that recipe.

no, don't go there.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I've had a french fry po'boy before that was TASTE SENSATION.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Americans don't put butter in their sandwiches (although neither do I - total waste of time). This was the reason my American friend said our sarnies were very different. I found this strange since it's not as if butter is a main ingredient

While true that butter is not a main ingredient of a sandwich, somehow the addition of that small layer of butter takes the UK sandwich into a completely different conceptual realm than the US sandwich. Butter is just not something that an American would ever dream of putting on a sandwich. It is somehow fundamentally incompatible with the American sandwich concept. This may seem odd, since butter is regularly eaten with bread in the US. (For example, see the phrase "bread and butter", meaning a main line of business, e.g. "Copiers are Xerox's bread and butter.") However, for reasons that are difficult to discern, the American mind recoils at enclosing butter with other ingredients between two slices of bread.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

dog latin: Remember, a po-boy place isn't McDonald's (and thank God for that) -- you'll get yours made the way you want it if you speak up.

I love how there are a million places to get a po boy, my favorite places aren't even listed on that short list. Favorite being that one restaurant across from the funeral home up on Canal. Goddammit, can't remember the name.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

one possible exception, o. nate: the grilled cheese sammich. But even then, the butter is put on the bread before it hits the grill.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

More people should eat grilled peanut butter and banana sandwiches, btw.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

In that case, isn't the butter usually applied to the outside of the sandwich, in order to make the outside of the bread crispy? I see that as quite different from putting it inside a sandwich.

xpost

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

and on the outside!! what's up with that??

Good butter is an essential part of proper cucumber sandwiches

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, you're prolly right, although if I remember from my short-order fry cook days we might've put butter on both sides, then the cheese, then on the grill.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, my favorites are Gene's (even though they don't serve shrimp anymore, but he's right about the hot sausage), Broadview Seafood on Broad off of Esplanade, and, um, this convenience store down the street from Donna's on the edge of the Quarter.

I suppose the "McDonald's" version of a po' boy would be the chicken ones they have at Popeye's with the processed white bread buns, blech.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Grilled cheese on thick wheat bread w/tomatoe and avocado (and I know a place that adds basil butter) = HEAVEN.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: grilled cheese butter exception
It could be applied to both sides, but there again I think that's only if both sides of the bread are going to be grilled first, so that the butter melds with the bread and ceases to exist as a separate ingredient layer of the sandwich.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

o.nate re: butter - thanks - that answers the original query, though it doesn't make a lick of sense. My american friend's reaction to the idea of anyone ever putting butter in a sandwich was one of absolute abhorrence. Her reaction was so strong that it led me to believe there must be some major difference between the two kinds of sandwich.

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't remember, we might've grilled one side first, then put the cheese on.

There was this one deli I worked at, run by this Bengali couple (who were super-nice and great employers, btw), where we put mayonnaise on EVERYTHING (well, except for grilled cheeses and cheesesteaks and such).

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I am glad porkpie knows which side his bread is buttered on, wrt "open sandwiches".

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

and why are toastie "snads" (as i shall now refer to them) that you make in the sandwich maker you won in a competition in 1991 so much nicer than anything on the planet when you're hungover?

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

The American view on butter in sandwiches is weird when you think about it. There doesn't seem to be any good reason for it. You get kind of the same reaction when Americans see things like red bean ice cream in Asia. No one in the US would ever think of making ice cream with beans, but there's no good reason why not.

Currently, I think my favorite sandwich is the "Fugedaboudit" from Luca Brasi's Italian Deli in Hoboken. Fresh mozzarella, roasted peppers, cappicola, salami... Fugedaboutit is right.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

red bean ice cream doesn't freak me out.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't particularly like it, but it doesn't freak me out.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the red bean ice cream better than the green tea flavor.

― j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

butter on sammiches doesn't freak me out either, just seems unnecessary.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, maybe that example is not extreme enough. In Indonesia they have desserts like Es Teler, which is an iced drink with sweetened condensed milk, fruit slices, beans, avocado, and chocolate syrup. It was an odd combination for me at first anyway.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I have not had that, but it sounds great.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i love things like es teler and halo-halo (filipino variation) and cendol (maylasian variation). i'm not going to act like i don't think it's a bit strange, though.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

let's face it: all food is strange.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, the beans in the Es Cendol are less strange to me than the peppery jello blobs.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

See, although I have tried it and it's nice - the concept of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches is just weird, even though I quite like peanut putter and I really like jam.

Still, I don't see how butter is unnecessary - I don't use it myself because it's healthier not to plus spreading the butter can sometimes rip through the bread - but snads with butter in do taste better.

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I put butter on my pb and J sandwiches too, mmmm creamy

well, I used to anyway, I suppose it is a bit lardy

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The first time I encountered butter was on sandwiches was in France (where the crust, incidentally, is strong enough to resist the spreading of butter) but I have met people who put butter on post-Thanksgiving turkey sandwiches.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

see, where is the problem in the butter? you guys eat butter right? and you've proved you'll put pretty much anything (chips, oysters) in a sandwich - so why not butter?

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Butter is fine if it's going to melt into the bread on a hot sandwich, but something about cold butter on meat is just wrong to me.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

correct.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

1) Grilled Peanut Butter and Pickles
2) Grilled Peanut Butter and Bacon
3) An OPEN FACE sandwich is usually something like turkey, gravy and mashed potatoes on top of a slice of bread. Standard diner fare in NYC.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

That #2 sounds pretty mouth-watering right about now. Kind of like a peanut-sauce satay.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

and you've proved you'll put pretty much anything (chips, oysters) in a sandwich - so why not butter?

you guys, too, though: chip butties, baby prawns with marie rose sauce (most disgusting sandwich ever, maybe), beans, coleslaw...

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Elvis Presley's fave sandwich was grilled peanut butter/bacon/banana on white bread.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

you guys eat butter right?

no, not really. sure, it comes in some stuff I eat - Indian food, etc. - but I don't much seek it out, or even find any value in it unless it's real quality, high-butterfat stuff. fat and salt, in addition to the health factor, are unnecessary if what you add them to is of high-enough quality - they just mask the taste of the essential ingredients. i'd rather have olive oil, if anything.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't really imagine a sandwich without butter.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

ewww. now i can't stop thinking about marie rose sauce.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

What do Amerkunz have instead of Worcestershite sauce? I like to splash some of that on a beef sandwich (plus horseradish natch)

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

good beef

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

that doesn't make any sense. when are you going to fix your bacon tho?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

we have worcestershire sauce here. it's most commonly used as steak seasoning.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Today's sandwich: grilled mahi-mahi on a roll (sort of a hard French number) with lettuce, tomatoes, and some sort of lemon (I think) sauce. It was the yum.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Worcestershite sauce

BEST TYPO EVER

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

mmm Mahi Mahi. Jordan I thought you lived in Wisconsin? Midwest food is getting better.
My lunch snadwich was turkey on foccaccia with melted cheese and spinach artichoke dip.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The Elvis version of the Peanut Butter and Bacon:
aka "Fool's Gold Loaf"
Spread two tablespoons butter all over a large unsliced loaf of Italian white bread. Bake in a 350° oven about 15 minutes until well browned. (Elvis liked his food well-cooked; his highest praise was, "Man, that's really burnt!") Meanwhile, fry up one pound of bacon until crisp, then drain on paper towels. Now, slice the loaf lengthwise and scoop out the interior to make room for the filling. Spread Skippy creamy peanut butter and Smucker's grape jelly inside, about one large jar each. Add the bacon. Close the loaf. Serve and enjoy. Calories per serving: you don't want to know.

My less suicidal version:
Fry a few slices bacon. Spread peanut butter on two slices bread and grill with butter as you would a grilled cheese, placing bacon inside when done.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

(Also tastes great not grilled)

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

What do Amerkunz have instead of Worcestershite sauce? I like to splash some of that on a beef sandwich (plus horseradish natch)

This plus ketchup is A-1 Steak sauce.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh, I do live in Wisconsin, Jocelyn. There are some pretty damn good restaurants in Madison. Come to think of it, this cafe is two doors down from the Seafood Center, which flies in fresh fish everyday and supplies a lot of places in town. That would explain the daily grilled fish special.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Worchestershire plus sour cream and tabasco makes a fine dip.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw someone take a shot with all of those things in it last Friday night.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post I was just surprised because we don't get much good seafood in W. Lafayette, even though we're less than 2 hrs. from the Lake. Isn't there a drink (hangover cure) that has oysters and worchestershire sauce in it?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost: whoah, what kind of liquor?

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Whaddya call those Canadian bloody marys?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

bloody caesars.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

slip an anchovy down there and POW!!! you're a human crouton!

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost: whoah, what kind of liquor?

I think it was tequila. It wasn't any sort of shot that should actually exist in reality, but rather the horrible spawn of a 'Worst Shot' contest. Cigarette ashes were added later to tip the balance.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

slip an anchovy down there and POW!!! you're a human crouton!

My lifelong dream at arm's length!!! At last!!

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

every blue moon i will get a craving for liverwurst on rye with swiss cheese and onions and crisp lettuce and hot mustard.

Hot damn! I want one ASAP. Liverwurst looks and sounds disgusting but is delicious. The hard part is spreading it around without tearing up the bread, esp when it's fresh out of the fridge.

Butter is just not something that an American would ever dream of putting on a sandwich. It is somehow fundamentally incompatible with the American sandwich concept.

I put butter on virtually every sandwich I make, and have done so since I was a wee lad. I don't care for mayo, so I need some other form of lubrication on a sandwich. Otherwise it all sticks to the roof of my mouth and that's an awful feeling.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh god that shit they serve prawns with in Britain is the nast.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

So I just made myself and my dad some Hot Browns - can you say deelicious?!!!!!

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

re A-1 steak sauce

they only recently fused Worcs with Ketchup and marketed it in the UK it seems

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

fat and salt, in addition to the health factor, are unnecessary if what you add them to is of high-enough quality - they just mask the taste of the essential ingredients.

This is the singularly most wrongheaded thing I think I've EVER read on an ILX food thread.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

A good basic statement of what Americans eat and, to some extent, why. It doesn't discuss the "New American" food that is my definition of "American cuisine," if such a thing exists, but alludes to it in mentioning the food revolution that began in the '70s, and expresses its values, to some extent, in the first paragraph that follows the question "So what is American food anyway?" It discusses some more common forms of American 'melting pot' cuisine but fails to discuss its higher exponents, which fuse (if you must) or otherwise apply creativity to traditional cuisines.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

My two sons tell me that one of the things they miss the most living in Helsinki is the restaurant chain called Taco Bell. They think it would be a hit in Helsinki

*shudder*

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i hav eyet to read the whole thread but it makes me happy that there is this long a discussion of samwiches

oh, and to respond to something I saw in skimming - REAL cheesesteaks (only to be found in Philly tho there are a few variants therein) are amongst the best foods yet devised on the planet. I dream of them still.

― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

*shudder*

sure, but do they have real tacos? which one is more likely to get there first?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

REAL cheesesteaks pale in comparison to REAL Italian beef sandwiches.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

sure, but do they have real tacos? which one is more likely to get there first?

Perhaps it depends on whether or not there is much of a Mexican community in Helsinki.

Though my reaction was perhaps more triggered by the articles bland cheerleading of the "Americanization" of non-American cuisines as being part of some kind of wonderful quintessentially American process, whereas in reality it usually means a systematic dilution of everything that made the cuisine unique, interesting, and good-tasting in the first place.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't been in Philly since I was a little kid, and I'm not sure that I've ever had a REAL Philly cheesesteak. Can someone mail me one? We can start an ILX snadwich trading circle!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure that it was cheerleading. Also, the process seems to have a record of introducing the cuisine to people who later discover the authentic stuff.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"Cheerleading" seems an apt description of passages like this:

"Equally part of our earliest traditions is the characteristic of assimilation and adaptation of the ethnic foods from the many countries our immigrants came from – a creative reformulation into new foods that suit the palate of all Americans, regardless of their origins. These new creations are tested in the "laboratory" of the mixed American cultural arena. As a result, they have almost universal appeal."

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

You can ban burritos when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers!

But seriously o.nate, in some places, like here in S.F., there's realtively authentic foreign (I studiously eschew the use of 'ethnic') food, assimilated foreign food, haute cuisine versions, and fusion versions. Surely the more choice, the better and how authentic can foreign food be when it isn't eaten in the same ecological, cultural, and social environment?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is reminding me that I really don't each sandwiches all that much for lunch anymore (this will change when Lee's Sandwiches opens across the way).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

100) Vietnamese sandwiches

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Precisely!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

For me it's not really a question of being authentic or the sake of being authentic. I just think that when you take a traditional cuisine that has evolved over centuries, with methods of preparation and subtleties of flavor that have been passed down through the generations, and you arbitrarily start simplifying it, making it mass-producible, removing anything spicy that might offend conservative palates, entrusting the preparation to people who didn't grow up eating it, etc. - you are not going to end up with something that's very good to eat.

xpost

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

You have to stress "extra spicy" when dealing with the 1,000,000 new thai restaurants that have opened up in the past years, then.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Taco bell is fuckin' awesome. When I was livin' in West Philly we used to drive all across town to make sure we got the 7 layer (all veggie) burrito!

― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, I don't know what they put in that "guacamole" layer, but is sure as heck aint' guacamole.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

yawn... and a open face sandwich isn't a sandwich. Fuck off and let a man eat his lunch I say.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry to have the impertinence to criticize any food that someone else might enjoy! I must be on the wrong thread.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

An open face sandwich is an open face sandwich. That's why it's called an open face sandwich, as opposed to a sandwich. Nyarp nyarp...

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Pineapple sandwiches -- plenty of mayo -- good eatin’!

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok I am now in favour of capital punishment

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

two words: shit sandwich

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

yes they sure are two words

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I seemed to eat far more sandwiches in the UK so maybe UK sandwiches win. Or I'm just dumb - that, too.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm about to make my usual, a tuna n' havarti grilled sandwich. How can I make it more interesting?

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Wear a funny hat while you make it!

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Are tomato sandwiches just a southern US thing, or do they occur elsewhere also? (Also with plenty of mayo, and if I have to go to the electric chair, let it be in July so I can have a good tomato sandwich as my last meal.)

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

That would make me more interesting, not the sandwich.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

In the same way that a painting by a madman becomes more interesting when you know that it was painted by a madman, perhaps a sandwich made by someone in a funny hat likewise acquires a certain aura of mystery?

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

When all I got is tomatoes and bread, and I'm hungry, I'll have a tomato sandwich. But never with mayo.

― nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

but *I'm* the one who will be eating the sandwich! Surely the painting done by a madman is not very interesting to the madman himself. "Oh there's some turkeys who have been castrated and turned into homoerotic conquistadors, roaming around the Bolivian countryside while trying to foil the world domination plans of their evil mentor, Lord Zed. Y'know, everyday stuff, really."

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeh - thanks hstencil - your recipe ruled.

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, but you see, the madman doesn't know he is mad, whereas you will know that you are wearing a funny hat!

xpost

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

but I also know that I'm not really the type who wears funny hats and it's all a sham perpetrated in an attempt to make my sandwich more intersting.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I made a grilled peanut butter and jelly sandwich tonight, and it's all this thread's fucking fault.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I would just like to say that I love each and every one of the sandwich lovers on this thread, no matter where you are from. U.K., U.S., Butter or Mustard. Bacon, lettuce, or tomato. You all shine brightly in the condiment firmament.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

oooh, BLTs!!

― H (Heruy), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Bacon, fried egg, cheddar cheese and a roasted green chile on whole wheat. Bottom side grilled, top side toasted. WITH MAYO MAYO MAYO. MAYYYYYOOOOO NAAAISE!!
Actually, I only allow myself this once every couple of years now.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I find no mention of pimiento cheese sandwiches on this thread, and that oversight needs to be corrected. Recipe here.

― spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 06:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I love barbecued tofu and/or barbecued tempeh sandwiches, with a layer of coleslaw. And spare me the "it's not real barbecue" bitching, I know that. Vegetarians can like barbecue sauce too.

― spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

eight years pass...

i still read "sandwich" as "snadwich" cos of this thread.

― Yes please, I'll have a pint, and another one for this asshole here (dog latin), Friday, 17 August 2012 10:34 (thirteen years ago)

Good job this predated polls because no right-thinking person would vote for Britain here.

― Matt DC, Friday, 17 August 2012 10:59 (thirteen years ago)

hooray for america's nadwich

― mod night at the oasis (NickB), Friday, 17 August 2012 12:10 (thirteen years ago)

Obv a brit snadwich would be best for a brit, being bespoke, as it were. Whereas an american snadwich would be best for a yank, culturewise.

― Aimless, Friday, 17 August 2012 15:46 (thirteen years ago)

The only sandwich that is better in the UK is the club sandwich, ordered in a pub.

Also in the UK they use that spicy sinus-clearing mustard, which is good.

Besides that, USA USA USA

― thirdalternative, Friday, 17 August 2012 15:53 (thirteen years ago)

we are the world

― contenderizer, Friday, 17 August 2012 15:55 (thirteen years ago)

http://dagwood.img.jugem.jp/20091007_3009082.jpg

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 August 2012 15:58 (thirteen years ago)

surely that lobster hasn't always been in the mix

― j., Friday, 17 August 2012 16:03 (thirteen years ago)

Oh yeah English mustard > American mustard but it's not enough to bridge the gap.

(French mustard > both but that's neither here nor there)

― Matt DC, Friday, 17 August 2012 16:04 (thirteen years ago)

have lately experienced a surge of affection for american-style "yellow mustard". it's damn good on a hot dog, for instance. to each mustard its sandwich.

― contenderizer, Friday, 17 August 2012 16:13 (thirteen years ago)

dagwood:

toothpick
olive
bread
luncheon meat
hot dogs
fried egg
whole fish
spaghetti
swiss cheese
peas
carrots
luncheon meat
swiss cheese
onions
whole lobster
swiss cheese
luncheon meat
eggroll
bread

― contenderizer, Friday, 17 August 2012 16:19 (thirteen years ago)

quality post (not being facetious)

― j., Friday, 17 August 2012 16:21 (thirteen years ago)

eleven years pass...

Snadwich

― ...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Saturday, 23 September 2023 23:11 (two years ago)


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