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Americans, not from California, who have a fear/hatred of California

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I have just begun to notice this phenomenon. talk about it.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

It's about time we had a thread about California.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Kahleeforneeyah, Gott Dammit!

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Alien freaks, the lot of them.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Who hates California? Arizonans?

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't hate northern california!

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not a tumah!

― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant, Texas to thread.

― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The answer is L.A., I think.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

California gave us Black Flag, Redd Kross and the Circle Jerks, so they're complete classic, of course.

West Virginia, however, haven't contributed anything, so fuck'em.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i feel this way about b.c.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Non-Cal AMericans: California :: Cdns:USAnians.

― Huck, Monday, 16 August 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

this is why:

http://www.iiipublishing.com/helter.jpg

also:

http://www.planetzach.com/HellsAngels.jpg

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

West Virginia, however, haven't contributed anything, so fuck'em.

um, my stepdad's from there, and I love him very much, ya big jerk.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

born: San Francisco,
used to be an SF snob,
I'm over it now.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

b-b-but west virginia is Wild and Wonderful!

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I love North Dakota, because the government there is CRAZY. Like they tried to point their ICBMs at Saskatchewan. Ha ha ha!

― Huck, Monday, 16 August 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

in addition to my stepdad, West Virginia gave us:

Corbett, John
Dourif, Brad
Knotts, Don
Mattea, Kathy
Retton, Mary Lou
Selby, David
Yeager, Chuck

you just can't deny DON MOTHERFUCKING KNOTTS, dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

In places, West Virginia is mighty purty though, Alex.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Loads of Americans have a California thing, a thing that might not quite be fear or hate, but involves a lot of eye-rolling mockery. This is because Californians are all gay and do yoga and eat dried fruits and nuts for Christmas, which they don't celebrate anyway.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, Stence. I picked W.Virginia purely at random.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://members.cox.net/donknotts/knotts07-astronaut.jpg

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

nabisco:
shirley you mean the invernal equinox?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

And "Helter Skelter" captured my imagination totally. The Manson Family did more for the allure of California than fuckin' Disneyland ever could.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

No one ever just picks West Virginia at random!

Hell, I don't think that I was aware that it existed until I was in my late teens.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember driving through West Virigina on the way to and from college, and remembering it to be one long outtake from "Deliverance".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Christmas, which they don't celebrate anyway

Yeah we do! We eat lots of nuts and yoghurt and then do yoga at a bath-house. Ahh, Christmas!!! Of course, the next day sucks.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope you're only referring to the scenery.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i must say that charleston, wv is a complete hole. nice back yard, though

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

So, really. Who hates California?

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

this makes me sad for Appalachia.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG WTF I'm here now and there's a lot of smog, Koreans.

― x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

did something happen to you in indiana, adam?

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

smog, Koreans ????

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

it sounds like you're blaming Koreans for the smog.

I don't hate California but I hate some Californians and some aspects of the stereotypical Californian mindset and lifestyle.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude! Why, man?

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously? cause I'm not a fan of flighty, New Age-y, vain, bohemians. I grew up in the midwest, bro.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ever been to that Bahai Temple in Winnetka or whatever?

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The key word in my penultimate post was "stereotypical".

No, I overslept when a bunch of my friends went to check it out.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

ah, well it's pretty cool, you should go. No crystals in the gift shop, though.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah they seemed to enjoy it. From what I know of it, it seems like a cool concept. It's in Evanston, I think?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

no, further north. Wilmette or Winnetka, I forget which.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

and yeah, it's not really new age, I was just being snarky.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the important issue here is the intra california hate.

t/s - northern california vs. southern california

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously? cause I'm not a fan of flighty, New Age-y, vain, bohemians. I grew up in the midwest, bro.

I hear ya. Most of those people have moved here to the refuge of the wacky from all the other states though.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Know what I hate more than smog Koreans?

http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/p/z/pzb4/art/skater.jpg

Sumg Careeners.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

t/s - northern california vs. southern california

Guilty. After about 2 or 3 days in Southern California my eyes start twitching incontrollably and I have to rush off to the airport, and I was born down there and still have loads of family there, etc...

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

well CA does have the highest percentage of residents who were born elsewhere, doesn't it? and that New Age-y flightiness isn't restricted to CA, but it does spring to mind when describing the typical Californian (but when most people describe the typical anything, just the opposite seems to occur: they describe the most atypical, attention-grabbing aspects of that anything)

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i love california. new york state has its share of loathsome new-age hippies who live in "artist's communities" and design cat jewelry and host fiction workshops.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, WOODSTOCK, hello!

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ithaca to thread

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, new-age hippies are pretty much everywhere you look these days.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I hear they spontaneously form in rotting meat.

― na (Nick A.), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

ts: new-age hippies vs. fratboy wall street guys

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd take the hippies.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I think California sounds pretty radical.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

my favorite novel about California is Denis Johnson's "Already Dead" which deals extensively with problems and difficulties one might have with flighty newagey people, and even manages to make you like some of them.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate when I meet someone from Northern California, I say where I live (L.A.), and they can't resist taking some petty little swipe at SoCal.

I love Northern California, it's absolutely beautiful, I'd like to live there again someday - but Southern California has its own charms. And it's not some contest. (So: don't dis where I live! I like it here a lot, too.)

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the stereotypical socal vanity is more odious than the stereotypical nocal hippieness.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

("Don't dis where I live" wasn't directed at anyone on this board, by the way.)

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

On the news and in movies, cali can look pretty creepy, scary, and wild. fires, mudslides, riots, serial killers, highway shootings, the porn industry, bloods & crips, you know. not very new-agey, more doomsday cult. which makes it seem pretty cool to me.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't think of many states that don't look awful on the news, scott. maybe idaho gets a pass because it's so boring.

why do I feel that if we posed this same question about Florida, there would be no debate?

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously? cause I'm not a fan of flighty, New Age-y, vain, bohemians. I grew up in the midwest, bro.

Yeah, like all the flighty, New Age-y, vain, bohemians that live in Sedona, AZ, Santa Fe, NM, Boulder, CO. etc. etc.

But all you midwest people are gun toting rednecks that belong to militias? Right, bro?

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe idaho gets a pass because it's so boring.

Are you kidding, Idaho is full of NAZIS!

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

someone didn't see the post where I pointed out my use of "stereotypical". Perhaps they also missed where I said it wasn't restricted to CA. (I had places like Sedona in mind when doing so)

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

seward OTM

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Why are you always so humorless?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

oh right, fuck idaho too.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

How many states could inspire Play It As It Lays, Day Of The Locust, Less Than Zero, Barton Fink, and The Player though, Kyle.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant, Texas to thread.
Hey now. I love California, though I've never been past Bakersfield. Possibly, it's a nicer place to imagine (nice weather! redwoods! coastline!) than to live in (cost of living! earthquakes! smog! forest fires! Ahnuld, etc.)

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

someone didn't see the post where I pointed out my use of "stereotypical".

Leaving yourself an easy out in case someone calls you on it?

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

people in the Midwest are merely dull and old-fashioned. Get your stereotypes straight.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, I'm really worried about someone "calling" me on it. Christ.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you saying that there's not this perception of Californians? Or that this perception isn't accurate?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

On the news and in movies, cali can look pretty creepy, scary, and wild. fires, mudslides, riots, serial killers, highway shootings, the porn industry, bloods & crips, you know. not very new-agey, more doomsday cult. which makes it seem pretty cool to me.

On the new and in movies, NY can look pretty creepy, scary, and wild: too many people, terrorist strikes, hot muggy in summer, blizzards in winter, electrical blackout. Sorta like a giant dystopic arcology from a J.G. Ballard book, which makes it seem pretty cool to me.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Idaho is creepy, and not just because of the Nazis.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I still haven't heard any examples of Americans who hate California. Wherever in the United States you are, you hear about making it big in Hollywood, going to San Francisco with flowers in your hair, surfing in the warm ocean, Arkies and Okies migrating there in the 1930's for a better life...

So who's knocking California? Puff Daddy?

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

well, new york and l.a. ARE the extremes.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you saying that there's not this perception of Californians? Or that this perception isn't accurate?

It's not accurate and needs to be retired. You can just as easier make a California stereotype for California being neoconservative right wing - being the home of Reagan, Nixon, and the "three strikes" law.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Some people on this thread need to have some alone time to meditate, don't they?

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean isn't this thread about the negative stereotypes people have of California? Is it possible to hold any opinion about such a large, diverse thing such as California that isn't a stereotype?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I wanted to move to Ojai when I was younger.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.hiphopstore.ch/images/timdog_fuckcampton.jpg

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

also - northern and southern californians get distracted during their infighting and forget the real enemy: INLAND CALIFORNIA.

xpost: ojai sucks. I went to high school there. trust me.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

but you live in California. Of course you see it as inaccurate. Most members of a stereotyped group see the stereotype as inaccurate. It's all relative. Compared to where I live, California is more hippie, more vain, more New Agey, more trendy, etc. This does not mean that those same traits cannot be found where I live, or that they are not lacking in parts of where you live.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

northern and southern californians get distracted during their infighting and forget the real enemy: INLAND CALIFORNIA.

Coalinga's going down.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I grew up in Orange County and recently lived in Redding. Based only on my experience, California is just the western bureau of the John Birch Society. Of course I know better, I just never got a chance to live better.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

milo, somehow I doubt the majority of Texans have tried California more and resort to reflexive groupthink (i.e. I wasn't calling you out or anything).

― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

well, new york and l.a. ARE the extremes.

Extreme what though? You can argue that just about anywhere is extreme/violent/crazy whether it's Las Vegas, Utah, Detroit, New Orleans, etc.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I just wanted an excuse to express my corny Northern Cali-love.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

which gets back to what I was saying about the most attention-grabbing things being labeled as "typical" rather than the most common. There may be just as many, say, McDonald's in LA as in Chicago, but they don't grab my attention because I am used to them. What I notice and what I recall later when someone is asking me about my impressions of LA are, say, the amount of vegetarian restaurants.

xxxxxpost

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

You can argue that just about anywhere is extreme/violent/crazy whether it's Las Vegas, Utah, Detroit, New Orleans, etc.

vermont...

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

What I notice and what I recall later when someone is asking me about my impressions of LA are, say, the amount of vegetarian restaurants.

What about the amount of Mexican and Vietnamese restaurants?

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

also - northern and southern californians get distracted during their infighting and forget the real enemy: INLAND CALIFORNIA LOL. Lived there too with hippyish parents. Not fun at the time but it gives me a window into what much of the rest of the country is like.


Many, many years ago, when I was 12, I was berated and basically abused by some lumpen-suburban kids whose parents we were staying with in Falls Church, VA for being a Californian. Very strange at the time, 'cause I knew lots of 'immigrant' Americans from all over who loved where they lived in Cal and had never had cause to think that other people didn't want to move there too.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Self-Haters take note: 1 in 8 Americans are also Californians!

Also, I like the idea that Central Californians are deviously manipulating the latent North/South antipathy in a divide and conquer strategy designed to control what they desire most: precious, precious water.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

There are a lot of Mexican places where I live, so I didn't notice that. Vietnamese, yeah sure. I didn't try to list every single thing that makes LA unique compared to other places.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I lived in Phialdelphia for 15 years so I know from stereotypes. I can't tell you how many times I heard "people are so NICE here" from visitors as if it were the very last thing they were expecting. (this is where jess shows up and snorts with derisive laughter.)

I grew up in connecticut though, and I stopped defending that place a loooooong time ago.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just saying that's what stood out to me. I haven't noticed one vegetarian restaurant any of the times I've been to SoCal.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

What I notice and what I recall later when someone is asking me about my impressions of LA are, say, the amount of vegetarian restaurants.
What about the amount of Mexican and Vietnamese restaurants?

Chinese, Korean, Cambodian, Salvadoreno, Afghan, ad infinitum. What I love, please don't hit me, is that we have edible, nay, even tasty vegetarian food. (I'm a thorough-going carnivore but places like Millenium rock!)

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)


"You can argue that just about anywhere is extreme/violent/crazy whether it's Las Vegas, Utah, Detroit, New Orleans, etc."


Well, I live on Martha's Vineyard now, and we are CRAZY for lobster. Maria just got back from town and she said that Bill Clinton was heading to the old ice cream parlor. (he's the only one we watch out for.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just saying that's what stood out to me.

It's funny how the LA stereotypes correlate to middle-class white lifestyles when there's this whole invisible other that's predominant out there.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Maria just got back from town and she said that Bill Clinton was heading to the old ice cream parlor. (he's the only one we watch out for.)

Lock up your daughters!

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

They aren't invisible, Cindy. They are the scary Californians in the movies and news clips.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

1 in 3 American felons lives in California.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

no, they're just "the blacks" (xpost)

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

There may be just as many, say, McDonald's in LA as in Chicago, but they don't grab my attention because I am used to them. What I notice and what I recall later when someone is asking me about my impressions of LA are, say, the amount of vegetarian restaurants.

But you're basing that on an admittedly small exposure of the overall culture that's colored by old media stereotypes. I've only been to Chicago three times, but I know that it not populated entirely by hard-accented people that growl about "da Bears" or Drag City all the time.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

that's just because I left.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.millenniumrestaurant.com/ BTW

I prefer 'ethnic' food in L.A. 'cause no one really eats in 'foodie' restaurants in L.A. The menu looks good but the preparation is half-assed, the waiter really is an aspiring actor (who apparently can't do a good impression of a server), and half the people won't eat so they can retain that glowing unnatrual beauty. Campanile was probably one of the most disappointing restaurants I've ever been to. Looked cool though and they were right necxt to La Brea Bakery which is scrumptious.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

so are you saying that there are just as many vegetarians in Chicago as LA?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I prefer 'ethnic' food in L.A. 'cause no one really eats in 'foodie' restaurants in L.A.

The "foodie" restaurants are all ethnic!

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

actually when I lived in Chicago, I was a vegetarian Kentucky-accented person that moaned about "da Bears" sucking and Drag City all the time.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, all the stereotypes apply accurately to SoCal. And San Franscisco.

― SOUTBHAY 4 EVAA!!!1!! (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Likewise, I also know that not everyone in CA is a vegan, New Age hippie, but I'm willing to bet there are more of them there than here in IL. Similarly, I'm willing to bet there are more hard-accented people who growl about Da Bears (or throw in any other Chicago/midwest stereotype) here in Chicago than in LA. Stereotypes aren't about all-or-none, but relative prevalence.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Similarly, I'm willing to bet there are more hard-accented people who growl about Da Bears (or throw in any other Chicago/midwest stereotype) here in Chicago than in LA.

among the older generation maybe. i'm willing to bet the under-40s have more in common with californians.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Not to mention, Elvis, that at some point, everyone is ethnic. I meant Japanese/Mexican/Korean/ etc.. kinds of places.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Likewise, I also know that not everyone in CA is a vegan, New Age hippie, but I'm willing to bet there are more of them there than here in IL

The population of CA is 2.5x higher than IL anyway, so this is probably true.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant Japanese/Mexican/Korean/ etc.. kinds of places.

I realized that, but there's a fair number of high-end "foodie" restaurants in LA that happen to be Japanese, Armenian, Korean, Mexican, etc.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Do I have to put proportionally in front of every statement?
JBR, you'd lose that bet.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

unless the only under-40s you take into consideration are those living in Wicker Park.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

note that by "californians" i don't mean "stereotypical californians"

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Likewise, I also know that not everyone in CA is a vegan, New Age hippie, but I'm willing to bet there are more of them there than here in IL.

But it hasn't stopped you from complaining about CA in that way, when in reality the "vegan, New Age hippie" are a tiny fraction of the population.

Honestly, I'd rather have MORE new age hippies in So Cal, just to dilute the knee jerk republicans in the area.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

northern and southern californians get distracted during their infighting and forget the real enemy: INLAND CALIFORNIA.

Coalinga's going down.

haha i've been reading 'cadillac desert'--i think inland california's already gone down

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

so then you mean "people who encompass every possible ethnicity, worldview, preferences, sexual habits, values, and political beliefs under the sun". then yes, they have more in common with that group than that small group of people who talk about Da Bears.

xpost but that is what people think of as uniquely Californian! Go back and read the first post I made to this thread. Tiny fraction of the population, but a larger fraction than in most other American cities.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I realized that, but there's a fair number of high-end "foodie" restaurants in LA that happen to be Japanese, Armenian, Korean, Mexican, etc.

I need some schooling here. I may be down yonder in October.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't hate California but I hate some Californians and some aspects of the stereotypical Californian mindset and lifestyle.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

what i want to know is why are median home prices in paso robles like $5-600k? that is scary.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean FFS right off the bat I admitted it was the Californian stereotype I didn't care for and it was just some Californians who I didn't like. Ease up.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost but that is what people think of as uniquely Californian!

What people? People only in Chicago?

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Hate is a strong word.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.tfaoi.com/am/14am/14am109.jpg

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you really hate people, oops? Dude! That's, like, harsh!

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Campanile was probably one of the most disappointing restaurants I've ever been to.

Pretty OTM.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

and the thread was supposed to be about why some Americans "have a fear/hatred of Califonia." Clearly, they are reacting to the Californian stereotype and have not interviewed every single California citizen. Still, this stereotype IS reality to those who have this fear/hatred that adam has noticed. Denying that this stereotype is, in fact, reality (and it isn't, although like most stereotypes there is some truth to it) doesn't change things.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

T/S: Americans, not from CA, who fear/hate CA vs. Californians who fear/hate Americans not from CA

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

What people? People only in Chicago?

The thread title mentions "Americans, not from California". People in Chicago qualify as such, don't they? I'm not able to speak for other non-Californian Americans who don't live in Chicago, but c'mon, this is a pretty widespread notion. But if you feel the need to deny that it exists, proceed.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Campanile was probably one of the most disappointing restaurants I've ever been to.

I haven't been there, but I've heard the same from the Chowhound people. Campanile is by the same people who own La Brea Bakery next door and when their attention was focused on expanding the bakery line, the restaurant took a dive.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

It is very common for people in the Midwest to think people on the West Coast are gurning hippies drenched in granola and hemp and people on the East Coast would push you in front of a semi for a dollar bill.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember driving through West Virigina on the way to and from college, and remembering it to be one long outtake from "Deliverance".

you thought you were in Northern Georgia?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to admit that during my travels, when asked where I was from, I would reply 'California' before saying (the somewhat inexact) 'American'. Now I just say, 'San Francisco' so as not to be mixed up with Coalinga people and their ilk.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

(xp to elvis, campanile talk) From my one visit, I thought that the waiters were jerks and that the food was okay, but not worth the price. They also had this ridiculous dessert that was mindbogglingly sterile and difficult to eat. It was some combo of ice cream and cookies.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

and the thread was supposed to be about why some Americans "have a fear/hatred of Califonia."

Then why are so many people moving here then? Overall, California has a statewide growth rate of about 1% a year.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

dean?, it was supposed to have been good once.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus Christ. Some does not mean all or most. Are you now denying the phenomenon that adam speaks of?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't complain much either since I didn't pick up the tab :)

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

WHO HATES CALIFORNIA?

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

There are SOME people who hate/fear CA (actually it's more like the eye-rolling mockery of those kooky Californians that nabisco mentioned). Many more LOVE CA. Why is it all-or-nothing with you?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

And there are those like myself who love certain aspects of the state, and hate other ones.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

It is very common for people in the Midwest to think people on the West Coast are gurning hippies drenched in granola and hemp and people on the East Coast would push you in front of a semi for a dollar bill.

Whereas, in reality, many of the upstate 'agribusinessmen' I know would push you in front of a semi if you mess with their weed.

I hear ya, oops. I'm from California and I feel that way.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I just don't know of anyone who HATES California or especially FEARS California. Sure, some people will roll their eyes about Ahnuld or Manson, but they roll their eyes about Idaho potatoes and Iowa corn, too.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

California has a statewide growth rate of about 1% a year.

IT'S DEM ILLEGLASL!

― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/US/9705/06/heavens.gate/applewhite.jpg

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

T/S: People not from CA who hate CA vs. People from CA who hate people not from CA vs. SCREW THIS DUMB THREAD AND IT'S DUMB LOGIC I AM A HIPPIE AND I LOVE EVERYONE

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, why do you hate vegetarians? I find this an odd thing to hate, frankly. unless they're being pious or dogmatic, which in my experience, is rare.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The Californians on this thread are making me too scared to visit there anytime soon. Why can't we all just get along?

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

BOO!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

We Are All Made Of Casper

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The Californians on this thread are making me too scared to visit there anytime soon.

We just don't want any more people to move here.

http://www.umkc.edu/lib/spec-col/ww2/PostWarWorld/images/no-vacancy2.jpg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I WEAR FLIPFLOPS TO THE OFFICE AND I EAT GRANOLA AND USE "ALTERNATIVE" FUEL

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

kind of

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually do have a sort of irrational distrust not of Californians, but California as a place. I haven't had a bad time anytime I've been there (sans a slight disagreement about directions/gas left in the tank on tour last summer).

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

My friends Leroy and Susan moved to Cali. They love it. Leroy is Larry David's chef. And Susan got a job as wine buyer for whole foods.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

They can't wait to get back. They are on the island now though, and it is nice to see them.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I should probably get it over with and move there.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

dudes, i'd have moved to san francisco six years ago if i could have afforded to live there.

in general, i don't trust places that don't have four seasons, though.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

louisville + new york = san francisco

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

ah fuck gygax! why'd you have to remind me of that? Seriously, I have been having bad grafitti karma lately.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Leroy is Larry David's chef

!!!!

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway, pnc park in pittsburgh is a better ballpark than 3com or whatever it is now

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Candlestick or SBC Pac Bell?

― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

SFO is a fabulous airport, no matter what the fashionistas and pollsters say.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Although I am also partial to O'Hare, call me perverse.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

And La Guardia has a kind of exotic charm about it.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Goodish food at the international terminal too.

How ya doin', perverse?

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

*makes universally accepted hand signal for "so-so"*

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Personally, I love California. Fuck Iowa, though.

― luna (luna.c), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

you are from San Jose

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

SAN JO

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

you are from San Jose

question? statement? band name?

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

um, yeah, pac bell/sbc/the house that barry built. though it is pretty nice, pnc's better. too bad the pirates will suck forever.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

you are from San Jose

question? statement? band name?

insult!

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

SFO needs to be great because of all the delays that will inevitably strand you there for hours upon hours.

Didn't PNC beat out SafeCo and SBC/PacBell in that ESPN total stadium review they did last year.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

kyle

I thought it but I let you say it. Fer shame.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

why yes it did by a thin margin mind you

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

gygax, do you know anything about California?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Sheboygin (sp?) = baseball game dog goodness

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

it may have helped that the day i was at pac bell it was 95F (richie sexson, 2HRs + barry's 32nd splash hit) vs i was at pnc on my birthday and it was a gorgeous fall day and DAVE PARKER was there as part of a thing honoring former Pirate allstars.

i gave him a standing ovation. 5-tool player and all.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

what?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

xposts galore: and only because PNC got a "wildcard" bonus of 10 whilst SBC got a 8.

sheboygan brats at SBC are so amazing. i'm going to the doubleheader on wednesday. i will probably gain 10#s.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

what?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

only 5 words of that made any sense to me at all. Never mind, I'm sure you had fun with your 5 tools.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

it makes me sad that we refuse to refer to friggin PACBELL as SBC park. the poor baseball stadium never had a chance to get a non corporate name we could wax nostalgic about like jack murphy or something like that.

ps: SAN JOSE SUCKS

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.rndng3rd.com/Rooms/shelves/Davpar.jpg
ya damned limey!

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

LGB is my favorite airport ever.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Pac Bell at least had the word "Pacific" in it, whereas SBC is a series of letters.

― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

And don't bag on San Jose, it is fine. Everything I don't get from it I just go to SF for.

― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i was once supposed to fly into oakland, but missed my connection at o'hare and had to fly into SFO instead. then i had to take a cab from SFO to a hotel near the oakland alameda county coliseum (it's something else now, isn't it?). the cabbie got lost, had to stop for directions three times, took me up into the hills to the east, and tried to charge me $75. i gave him $50 and wouldn't have done that if it hadn't been on an expense account.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Matt Gonzalez proposed to the board to change the name of SBC/PacBell to "Mays Field at SBC* Park" where *=whatever corporation was paying to bear the name. It got shot down by the current mayor/cousin of Joanna Newsome.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Newsom whatever.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, why do you hate vegetarians? I find this an odd thing to hate, frankly. unless they're being pious or dogmatic, which in my experience, is rare.

WTF??? Where do you get the idea that I hate vegetarians?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

i find this thread anti-semitic.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 August 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

as i opened this link, ira kaplan said to me in my winamp, 'let's kick off this holiday celebration by playing pussy galore's "you look like a jew'"

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i was born in san jose and lived the first two years of my life there, so by experience I think it's fair to say that I think san jose smells like shit.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i find this thread anti-semitic.

If you truly hated California, you'd find this thread anti-seismic.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

anti-Simi Valley-tic.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

You're missing the most important thing about California.

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

which is?

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

God, it's about time.

IT'S NOT IOWA.

FUCK IOWA.

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I sense an abiding passion on this subject.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

san jose is kinda like iowa

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

From The Starfighters:

WOMAN: "I'm from Iowa!"

TOM SERVO: "Oh, so you're stupid!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

If you build it, he will come

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

That's not the best thing about California, luna.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Then what is?

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh wait, it's the cheese, right?

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

borax

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

It's cheesy, yes.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

The weed?

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Which ok, usually isn't cheesy unless it's on pizza...

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I have more of a problem with people who DREAM about California. In my school there were like eight girls who constantly talked about how they'd end up living the Cali dream one day. They were like the kid in The Wizard - "Califooooornyaaaa". Fucken monkeys all ended up moving to Kitsilano in Van where they probably fuck weightlifters and eat mad pad thai off horribly scuffed up hardwood floors, which is close enough for them.

― LC, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude! I'll have a plain pizza with the herb. Ya know, whaddyacallit, pizzachronic, or something?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

and extra shrooooooooms, dude?

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Totally!!

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.orangegroove.net/robohitler/robomoon.jpg

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate Hotel California myself, except for that one brief part during the guitar solo of the title track.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Any more Iowa hatred will be met with a subtle but unmistakable frown and the most severe harrumphing you've ever experienced.

And this is the x-est of x-posts, but shouldn't it be pointed out that Charlie Manson is like, FROM West Virginia. That's what happens when Appalachia meets la-la land: the Beverly Hellhippies.

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Manson's from Texas. Thread over.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i was born in san jose and lived the first two years of my life there, so by experience I think it's fair to say that I think san jose smells like shit.

Maybe your being in diapers had something to do with it.

― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

...but shouldn't it be pointed out that Charlie Manson is like, FROM West Virginia. That's what happens when Appalachia meets la-la land: the Beverly Hellhippies.

Manson's from Texas. Thread over.

hahahah, forgot about that. No, Manson was from Appalachia (d'oh!), Charles "Tex" Watson and Bobby Beausoleil (I think) were from Texas.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I stand corrected. Charlie Maddox was born in Cincinnati!

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Any more Iowa hatred will be met with a subtle but unmistakable frown and the most severe harrumphing you've ever experienced

I'm sorry, but it's warranted. The people I like, but Iowa itself, no.

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

and J0hn D. wept.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Iowa is so cool. Stop the hate.

http://www.weru.ksu.edu/new_weru/multimedia/storms/big/Img0003.jpg

Indiana, on the other hand...

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.galeon.com/allmusic/caratulas/s/Slipknot_-_Iowa_-_front.jpg

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

hey!

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

They both suck.

That photo could be from either one.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't, I'm sorry. I have my reasons.

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't blame Iowa for you POS car.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

YOUR

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It has nothing to do with a car.

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Though I admit that Iowa is the motherfucking BOMB compared to Beth.

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

what'd my sister ever do to you?

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

j0hn d. is from california.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.uihealthcare.com/depts/med/pediatrics/residency/images/cornfield.jpg
http://www.allmidwest.org/gallery/iowa/LoessHills.jpg
http://www.creighton.edu/~jaypl/oldpage/river_sum99/Miss004.jpg
http://www.traveliowa.org/photos/cw-eh-kimballton1.jpg
http://www.simpson.edu/~tinder/081499Marshalltown/UP6080b.jpeg
http://www.robertherring.com/img/1/1.jpg
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/iowa/des-moines/des-moines.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Iowa has its charms, yes. Still sucks, though.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

We need to find out which states don't have any ILXors and then actively recruit.

― eat fudge banana swirl (Nick A.), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a thread that I've been curious about. What states aren't reperented?

If I ever run away from home, I'm heading for Iowa. See you at The Boondocks, Exit 144 off I-35.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Holla back, Dakotas!

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

New Mexico is my run-away state.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, gygax!, I just miss J0hn D. sticking up for Iowa around these parts.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I've lived a lot of different places, incl. SoCal, NoCal, NYC, New England, Japan, and when I'm away from Iowa, believe it or not, I miss the CULTURE around here! Sounds crazy, I know.

Man, Iowa kids be lovin' some Slipknot. Went to the Meskwaki Pow-wow the other night, and it seemed like every other Meskwaki kid was sporting a Maggot tee. I know they're from Des Moines & they're on tour & all, but is there some connection to explain all the Native American love?

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

NO INDIANA HATE PLEASE

thanks,
adam.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

To the non-Californian, California represents a sort of abandon, a rejection of the stolid everyday way of life and a chance to grasp at dreams of self-exploration and self-discovery. Naturally, this is somewhat frightening. And fear leads to hatred (yet awe).

― eat fudge banana swirl (Nick A.), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I was born in Kentucky, so I am showing considerable constraint from hating on Indiana (also my best friend is from there so it's not so bad I guess).

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

efbs otm! This is what occurred to me last weekend. I enjoyed my visit to the Midwest, but I felt like the BOY without the BUBBLE. Put me back in the BUBBLE!!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I love you, BUBBLE.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

California=THE MATRIX???

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

no, that's Chicago.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Back on topic, I suspect most Cali-hatred (and it IS out there, believe me) is attributable to hatorade. 'Cause who wouldn't be jealous of Hollywood, San Fran, long beaches, great surf, glamour, diversity, the real cultural center of America, and those California girls-girls-girls. Not to mention all that suspicious freedom (sexual & otherwise) that folks in the provinces feel they don't have. It's only natural.

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Me and the wife are going to be taking surfing lessons in PACIFICA.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm... How many West Virginia haters here have actually been to West Virginia?

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I enjoyed the first half of JT Leroy's "Sarah" and that was set in WV.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sorry - I repent. I no longer hate Iowa - just certain events that occurred there, that Iowa is in no way at fault for, and also, I hate Beth. Iowa, forgive me! I love you!

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Aww, Luna, we feel the same. Come on over for pie sometime, or maybe a game of cribbage! Beth is NOT invited.

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i will never understand people who hate on one place or another. i mean maybe if all of sudden you are in your car and you cross a border and while you are crossing that border a shit ton of fire and pain come raining down on you on that instant- then yeah maybe i could understand. but state or city or region hatred makes no sense to me. imaginary lines people , imaginary

― kephm, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

but rhode island sucks big time

― kephm, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

California gave us Black Flag, Redd Kross and the Circle Jerks, so they're complete classic, of course.
West Virginia, however, haven't contributed anything, so fuck'em.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), August 16th, 2004.

ihttp://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/mothman.jpg

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

While borders may originally be "invisible lines," as those lines burn into the public consciousness, they become more tangible.

― eat fudge banana swirl (Nick A.), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

but rhode island sucks big time

Good Portuguese food and lots of H.P. Lovecraft landmarks. I wouldn't want to live there, but there's room for Rhode Island in my world.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, you gotta hate somebody.

― eat fudge banana swirl (Nick A.), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

there has got to be some good hardcore from West Virginia, I don't know why I can't think of any.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

telecom, i was kidding.

and landmarks? as in there is more than just his grave? the dopey fella never left his house!

― kephm, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

jerry west is pretty hardcore

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

All of these places sound great. The one US city I am not in a hurry to visit is Boston, but that is only because I once knew a very dislikeable girl from there. I am sure it is actually very pleasant.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

My friend Charlie is from West Virginia, he's done some pretty good experimental-type music.

― eat fudge banana swirl (Nick A.), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Boston's okay, but I like rural Western Mass better for some unknown reason.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

ilx hates boston, especially the ilxors who have never been there.

― kephm, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Growing up in Montana, everybody complained about Californication. Damn rich Californians moving in, driving up property values.

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Boston: New York City prices, suburban culture

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

and landmarks? as in there is more than just his grave? the dopey fella never left his house!

There's a book called "Lovecraft's Providence" that has the rundown on everything. Much of it is places/houses that inspired scenes in his books (that HPL later confirmed in letters)

Worth tracking down.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a fear of living in LA.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

and while you are crossing that border a shit ton of fire and pain come raining down on you on that instant

This happens every time that I drive into Texas...

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Jennifer Garner is from WV.

― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

you know what, i think i may even have the lovecraft book. oh to be disorganized!

― kephm, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Boston.

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha, I hate California. I will own up to my Cali-hate.

1) It is Philosophically Unsound.

2) I do not trust any place whose climate does not have a cold cycle.

3) It contains the two things I am most afraid of in this world: Earthquakes, and my Father.

― Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Philosophically Unsound! It's the only RIGHT philosophy, Kate, anyone here will tell you that! ;P

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

and earthquakes are s0 n01zzz33333!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

and some parts of California are cold, at least up in the mountains.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It's FREEZING here this morning, relatively speaking anyway.

WEED, CA has snowstorms and whiteouts. I'd call that "cold".

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought SF was always colder than Oakland!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Weed, California. Dude.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought SF was always colder than Oakland!

It IS!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I do not trust any place whose climate does not have a cold cycle.

Donner Party to thread!

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Sub-60 degree weather to thread!

― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Philisophically Unsound? please explain.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer, even asking that shows you up for the degenerate you are.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

How can a place actually *be* "philosophically unsound"??? Maybe I'd understand if I didn't come from CA.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

If it dawns on all Californians at once that our state is 'philosophically unsound', the collective head scratching, lip-pursing, and squinting will unleash a mighty earthquake, Kate, so do try and keep it to yourself, k? Thx.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Philisophically Unsound? please explain.

http://alljames.com/users/sarah/images/changing%20of%20the%20guard.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I resent the implication that any one state can have an indigenous and universal philosophy...and I'm sure that the rest of the citizens of California will wholeheartedly agree with me.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

*rimshot*

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i've never been to the statue of liberty or californey

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey cutty, neither have I!

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 19 August 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I have been to both! California's better, I think.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
Has playing San Andreas changed their minds?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I am v. disappointed in San Fierro so far. Not the most faithful replica.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought SF was always colder than Oakland!

It IS!

not true, SF is warmer than oakland at night. CONSULT ONE ALMANAC.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

SF is colder because of the cold hearts of the cynical hipsters who live and work there.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I went to Le Cheval the other night, but nothing beats the Bo Bay Mon.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

mmmmm.... 7 courses of beef.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I plan on feeding it to my parents in April!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel like San Fierro is more faithful than Los Santos.

I live in Oakland and work in San Francisco, and there's no way that Oakland has colder nights than San Francisco.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel like San Fierro is more faithful than Los Santos.

seriously????

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

UC Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA, UCI, and UCSD have very good philosophy departments, contrary to what you might gather from this thread.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously????

Absolutely. While they completely missed the grit of the Tenderloin, the homelessness, and the saucyness of the Mission and the Castro, I chalk that up to bad mission design, not to the city itself. The missions in San Fierro are really boring. The map in Los Santos is really fun, but totally unlike LA at all, a pure east coaster's wet dream of what LA is like. But the map is more fun and the missions are much better.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Has playing San Andreas changed their minds?

Changed their minds about what? I still don't know who was hatin' on California.

How many people hate San Andreas? ANSWER: NONE.

― Pleasant Plains ///, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I would give $50 for a GTA with an accurate map of LA.

― Carl Winslow is WHAT!?!? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you played True Crime? It had an accurate map of LA and was OH SO BORING.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

GTA != TRUE CRIME

― Carl Winslow is WHAT!?!? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.cinematografo.it/bdcm/img/LOS_ANGELES_SENZA_META_HV.JPG

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i have a fear of all of america west of maine

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I live in Oakland and work in San Francisco, and there's no way that Oakland has colder nights than San Francisco.

so i consulted one almanac and the average low in OAK is 52.0F and the average low in SF is 51.2F. but when i was in the east bay a lot it always seemed -5F cooler over there at night (warmer in the day obv.) i imagine this coastal layer a thermal blanket.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

What would Sally Ride say?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I never understood the whole "where's the seasons" thing. Even in LA we have changing seasons. The changes are just more subtle so you have to be more, you know, in tune with your surroundings and stuff. All of those "autumn leaves" and that "snow" is like way too obvious. I roll my eyes at your quaint "seasons."

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

It's been pretty chilly the last couple days.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

nine months pass...
Elvis Telecom for governor?

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

If nominated he would not run, but if he were magically made governor things would automatically improve on many fronts.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

We could do have done worse.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

We joke, but he would seriously do a far better job!

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Plus, his clothing allowance would be cheaper.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

If nominated he would not run

Actually I would. I'm feeling kinda useless as a network admin anyway.

I forgot to mention the one and only good thing about Campanile up-thread. Their Thursday night gourmet grilled cheese sandwiches.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

i have a love/hate relationship with california. i've lived here most* of my life.

*the key is to get out for a substantial amount of time and gain objectivity.

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

chris should run for mayor. mayors have always been cooler than governors.

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

i want to run for congress someday. congresspeople are INSANE. especially in new york.

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Actually I would.

Well hey, let's start the campaign!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

please do

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

i hate charles schumer

― gear (gear), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

I am being groomed to replace Rangel. That's why I haven't moved from Morningside Heights yet.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/haventohome/images/hh0166s-th.jpg

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

nita lowey!!

http://www.evote.com/evotepix/congress/house/l/lowey4.jpg

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Oh, tonight's Thursday, isn't it? Looks like I'll be working late this evening to avoid walking in on "The OC" at home.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

sorry dawg, oc is not on cuz of baseball.

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

Interesting thread. I didn't read all of it. I lived most of my life in the midwest, Texas, and upstate NY, and I definitely agree that there is a weird sort of negative fascination with California with a lot of people. I moved to San Francisco five years ago, and even my family seems to blame a lot of personality changes on California instead of, you know, just living on my own and growin' the fuck up.

My own feelings about California before I moved here seem strange to me now looking back. When I was really young, growing up in Chicago, California was the Beach Boys, the 60s, Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis, and a place where the football games would be sunny and warm while it was cold and dark outside where I lived. My aunt and uncle moved out to L.A., and changed a bit. They would come back to visit and describe L.A., and talk about celebrity citings and weird food. When I got older, California started to annoy me. Not because of new age hippies and "liberals", but because of this whole California is the center of the world vibe I would get from the media, and people I met from there. I never thought seriously about California until I lived in Colorado, and kept meeting transplants. I think there were a lot of problems in California at the time (early 90s), and I remember smugly feeling like I managed to live in a place that was more desirable than California for once.

After moving here, I never want to go anywhere else. I think people hate California because they are jealous. Plain and simple. There is no place in the midwest as beautiful as the California coast. After five years I still see views in this city that take my breath away, let alone outside of it. I think looking back, my deal with California was that I wanted to live here, but didn't think I ever could, so I tried to diminish it.

― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Now that's quite a fine post. :-) I agree on a very key point -- this place is just great to look at, smog be damned.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

sorry dawg, oc is not on cuz of baseball.

What baseball?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if non-Californians have a fear/hatred of Cali, but I have run into some weird presumptions/stereotypes in other parts of the country. No surprise there, I guess. It can be a little annoying, but who cares really, every place has a stereotype...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, Ned. I can't believe I spelled it 'citings' instead of sightings. Weird.

― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

and like i said upthread, most of the stereotypes are about WHITE PEOPLE, and anyone else who might live in these places is invisible.

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

i mean we all know there's gang violence in l.a., but it's never the first thing that comes to mind when we think of "southern california."

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

"So much to plunder that I think I'll sleep instead"

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

However, one of the first things I think of when I think of Oakland is "Black Panthers".

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

that's funny!

I just think "parking".

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

you should have seen the look my dad gave me when i went to a restaurant in Chicago with him and asked for a chicken wrap w/avocado.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

yeah, tonight I'm going to try and get my visiting in-laws to eat Spider Roll.

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

I lived in Oakland, worked in San Fran for the first four years I was out here. Oakland has its own stereotype I've found. My relatives were all worried I was going to get shot.

― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

ugh - I won't order anything called a "wrap". That whole phenomenon of ethnic-food-without-the-ethnicity thing is just creepy.

"Ta-hi-neee?"
"Just call it 'flavor sauce'!"

man fuck that.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Also, my parents came from London to visit. The week after they left for home I got a "Learn Spanish" CD in the mail from them.

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

i think california is unique in many regards, hated and feared sure. one aspect that i return to repeatedly (at least here in san francisco)is just how bizarre people's perceived realities are in juxtaposition to each others'. blame economics, sure. i'm not sure that's entirely it. although the distance between the richest rich and poorest poor here in such a dense city makes for a surreal existence on either side.

for example, you look at the most recent newsworthy murder of daniel horowitz's wife. this is a high profile tvlawyer, a defense attorney in the midst of a high profile case. his unknown wife is bludgeoned in the trailer that they live in while their dream mansion is being built. that in and of itself is uncanny. (even just the idea that lawyers have become tv stars).
and:
a teen was arrested for a murder today. apparently he lived close to a high profile lawyer and his wife pamela vitale. the teen stole their credit card bills and identity to fradulently order equipment to start growing weed. he went to retrieve mail packages that would be delivered to the stolen cc billing address. apparently vitale was home and whatever happened in this confrontation led to vitale being beaten to death and the teen carving a symbol into her back. outlandish. (what the hell??)

both unique and fucked up stories on their own. but it's all one story. layer upon layer of the most unusual realities.

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

That whole phenomenon of ethnic-food-without-the-ethnicity thing is just creepy

Isn't this just a little bit dogmatic?

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

You know Shakey, Michael. He's a regular poster here.

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

wasn't a. zanders from SF?

― gear (gear), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

I dunno, is it? I call a tortilla a tortilla, lavosh lavosh, etc.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

wraps aren't ethnic? they're from south beach

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

wasn't a. zanders from SF?

Not exactly, no. Mendocino,

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

You know Shakey, Michael. He's a regular poster here.

Didn't I meet Shakey at the Killowatt?

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

hey I'm right here y'know.

(the answer is yes - I remember yr dapper fashion sense fondly)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

I dunno, is it? I call a tortilla a tortilla, lavosh lavosh, etc.

i'd call a kebab a kebab, but we all know that hot dog on a stick is the best thing ever to happen to american cuisine.

http://www.conmicro.cx/~kturtle/diaries/ax/photos/hotdogonastick.jpg

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

I remember yr dapper fashion sense fondly

Leaves an impression, doesn't it?

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

hot dog on a stick. a california mall staple.

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

wasn't a. zanders from SF?
Not exactly, no. Mendocino,

-- Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (adamr...), Today 3:29 PM. (nordicskilla)

Not even, keep going about another(!) hour north into the serious burn-out/meth-lab territory...

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

...but at any rate, like a 3 hour drive away (w/o traffic).

Andy probably has some good stories about Laytonville.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

"Leaves an impression, doesn't it?"

I'm totally serious! Any man in a waistcoat in this day and age is a-okay with me. I'm also fond of pocketwatches and driving caps. I draw the line at jodhpurs though.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

hey I'm right here y'know.

My apologies, Shakey. That was worded rudely.

I remember yr dapper fashion sense fondly

*bows deeply and scrapes floor with large feathered hat*

Jodphurs are entirely appropriate, Shakey... if you're involved in equestrian sports.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

Not even, keep going about another(!) hour north into the serious burn-out/meth-lab territory...

What county?

I thought he said Upper Mendocino.

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

you lads don't sound like the typical kilowatt set.

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

haha

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

I think I just don't like California cuisine in general, with its bad fusion ideas and liberal misuses of avocados, sprouts, etc. inasmuch as wraps are part of that school of cooking, I stay away. Gimme that chicken shawerma or veggie samosa instead.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, I love California. I should have moved here, like, ten years ago.

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

t/s: Appalachia vs. California

also, most commonly maligned contiguous state? Texas?

― emilys. (emilys.), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

Rolling out of bed in the morning and groggily make my way down to Haight Street and seeing M.White standing in the dawn-light, smoking a Gitane and reading Voltaire = CLASSIC

xpost: I have no idea what county. It's at least 3 hours drive from here without traffic.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

"Laytonville is located in the heart of Mendocino
County in Northern California, USA. 150 miles
North of San Francisco on Highway 101 "

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

Mendocino is actually quite beautiful in parts, I think.

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

Laytonville, CA:
I moved here two years ago with my parents as a temporary thing, never found another affordable apt. in Santa Rosa...
No record store, no live music venue.
One bar full of burned out middle-aged tweakers, the whole town infested with such really. I've only seen a few people my age, none of whom were that friendly. This is the kind of town you only stay in until you're out of high school, or you move here when you've pretty much given up on life. One severely limited in selection video store.
Not even a McDonalds(which is sort of impressive, but...).
No library. No bookstore.
No public transportation except for a very expensive greyhound that is never on time.
No good looking women (or men).

Two jokes which I'm sure are used in towns of this sort all the time:

What do you get when you have 32 Laytonville women all in a circle?
A full set of teeth.

What do Laytonville men use for birth control?
Their personalities.

You get the idea. The only thing to do around here is smoke pot, which sounds nice but try having it as the only pastime there is.
Oh, and no high speed internet in the outskirt part I live in.

-- From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (aaronh...), October 31st, 2004.

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

i figured i'd stay in cali for about a year when i moved here, but then i stuck around. i don't know how much longer i'll be here, it could be two years, it could be twenty.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

no one really calls it 'cali'

and no one calls it 'frisco'

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

maybe i'll move to THE oc

― gear (gear), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

I've never said Frisco but occasionally I've used Cali (in an affected fashion).

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

i can't wait til "the i.e." comes to fox.

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

Frisco is still way better than "SanFran". ugh.

― Jazz Funeral in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

destroy them both.

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

the only thing they got wrong on the oc (other than calling it THE oc) is that no one ever does coke in the bathroom.

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm waiting for "The A.V. Club", about a group of slacker high school kids dealing with their dull, occasionally self-destructive lives in Lancaster, CA.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:05 (twenty years ago)

(in the school scenes at least)

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:05 (twenty years ago)

Laytonville is much like the other inland cities along the 101. Speedfreaks and/or potheads and little else other than trees. Mendocino is quite nice along the coast - I'm pretty fond of Ft. Bragg.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

That Arcata, CA Police Log site tells you all you need to know about far north CA.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

people outside of ca have no idea that most of the entire state is in fact speedfreaks and/or potheads and little else other than trees once you go a few miles in from the expansive coastline..

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

people outside of ca have no idea that most of the entire state is in fact speedfreaks and/or potheads

that's most of america.

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

I dunno about that - there aren't a a whole lot trees in the central valley.

Still, most of my favorite CA landscape is north of SF. I love that whole upper-third of the state. Redwood forests and volcanic deserts and potheads OH YEAH

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

and that's where the fear and hatred comes from, a mere misunderstanding. we're all just the same. aw.

i'm glad we cleared this up.

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

i think it would be pretty cool to live in the middle of nowhere and do nothing but get high and shoot guns... for a week. outer exurbia here i cum!

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

As a lifelong Oregonian, I have a few -ahem- feelings about California.

I would liken the relationship between my state and our huge southern neighbor to that between Canada and the USA. I can thank California for many good things. For example, I can walk into my local grocery store and buy tofu, fresh cilantro, and several varieties of fresh chilies. Although Oregon has a lot of agriculture, over half the produce I buy is Californian. California's penchant for exoticism has exposed Oregon to many new cultures and ideas.

I don't hate California. I can't. But I want enough freedom and seperation from California to be able to pick and choose - to adopt what is attractive and will improve my life and my state and to avoid the less advantageous fallout like the tax revolt or Reaganism or insipid jargon or faddish architecture.

Ain't gonna happen. It is like standing too close to wet dog when it wants to shake. Maybe the dog had a good time playing in the water, but what's that to you?

― Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

faddish architecture

:-(

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

Googie hata

― Kurt Russell in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

what, you don't like salmon-and-turquoise colored stucco?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

Try sharing a sixty mile boundary with Texas, Aimless. Sheesh.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

as a lifelong los angeles resident, i have a fear and hatred of traffic this evening as president bush is in town necessitating the closure of sunset and the 405. so not cool.

― dan (dan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

why the hell is he visiting California?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

Texas??!? Get thee behind me, Satan.

― Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

bush is holding a fundraiser for the california republican party. a smallish one--one hundred couples, a million bucks.

― dan (dan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

they NEED fundraising?!

― get behind me santa (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah - they're fucked with this "special election" thing Arnie's called. You hold an election every year, the Party coffers get seriously drained. If I rememember right, there was some tiff about this fundraiser too, right - Arnie asking Dubya to stay outta California until *after* the special election, cuz he's such a liability...?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

If you believe all the stories on the rightwing blogs about how people aren't contributing anymore due to Miers, arguably the GOP just became a nonprofit.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

arnie wants attention on his initiatives, not on bush's fundraiser, or on bush in general. the timing is awkward.

― dan (dan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

I think Charles and Camilla are/were just in SF.

― Kurt Russell in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 October 2005 03:49 (twenty years ago)

you know - from the Royal Family of England.

― Kurt Russell in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 October 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051021/ap_on_re_us/schwarzenegger_bush_visit

The Governeggor's goin down...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Dude+Pl,+Weed,+CA&iwloc=A&hl=en

― Kurt Russell in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Ha!

In sad news, it looks like my old haunt, the Expansion is going to be sold.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

I wish I was old enough to have old haunts.

― Kurt Russell in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.675786,-117.158064&spn=0.004358,0.006951&t=k&hl=en

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

Some day, Adam. Some day.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

PP, are you spying on Ned's old haunts now?

― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
I'm curious, what are the californian stereotypes out there? I live in california and I never heard anyone say anything bad about CA when I visited other states.

― jessica tang, Saturday, 11 March 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

CA is such a HUGE state, and encompasses such huge amounts of people, that it engenders a large number stereotypes that can usually be broken down by region.

I'm moving to southern CA in about three months, and could not be more stoked to do so. It is the other side of the country from a large amount of the daily press coverage, and is seen differently because of such.

I've heard the following:

- too liberal
- to fake
- out of touch with reality


I've found, as a native East Coasterner married to a native Southern Californian, that there is a different vibe to the way that people out there relate to each other. Its hard to quantify - suffice it to say that you, like most other places, you need to be there to really understand it. To shift from one to another, you have to keep your wits about you and keep your mind attuned to that which you might object to in other situations.

Its just a different place, to be honest. Like anywhere else, it takes getting used to.

― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Sunday, 12 March 2006 00:25 (twenty years ago)

It is funny because I have to cop to first arriving here and thinking everything was very strange. Now when I leave to go back home (London) or to see inlaws (Midwest), it does take an adjustment. Everywhere else starts to seem muted and drab. Sometimes I miss the drabness, though.

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Sunday, 12 March 2006 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. That's the fun of being married and committed to continuing real relationships with in-laws: it takes some work.

― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Sunday, 12 March 2006 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Californians are hated in Idaho because they're richer than us, moving here with all their fancy-smellin' renderings and perfumes, shiny horseless carriages and whatnot. Stay west, young man!

― Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 12 March 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

Idaho stereotypes about Californians: they have egregious SUVs (like Idahoans don't, pffff), they're a bunch of liberal snobs who only shop at 'spensive natural food stores and blow $60 on sushi dinners,
they are stealing our good engineering and tech jobs and staying for our lower taxes, they're bad drivers (like Idahoans aren't, geez) and they shop at Hollister (I think...everyone does in this town).

― Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 12 March 2006 01:40 (twenty years ago)

i think NYC's impression of people who live in LA is (a) celebs with bad plastic surgery (b) lame hipsters (c) both at once.

personally, i can't wait to move there.

― Knute Rockne, All American (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 12 March 2006 01:42 (twenty years ago)

I grew up in Phoenix and Denver, where the mention of California causes a reflexive eye-roll, if not muttered epithet. The California that I think of is a vapid, cultureless, eternal High School. Hollow people. MTV Spring Break. That sort of thing.

― Okeigh, Sunday, 12 March 2006 06:21 (twenty years ago)

I've never been to California, and I think I have an irrational love of the place.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 12 March 2006 06:33 (twenty years ago)

(a) celebs with bad plastic surgery (b) lame hipsters (c) both at once

Sounds like game recognizing game in that situation. (Not JBR, o' course, as she wisely fits none of these categories. Regrettably I am clearly b.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 March 2006 06:40 (twenty years ago)

"I grew up in Phoenix"

and that is the fucking armpit of the universe

"and Denver"

Dullardsville, USA

― maria shrivening, Sunday, 12 March 2006 06:52 (twenty years ago)

subcategory for (b): screenplay guidos (like vince vaughn; they wear black, yell a lot, and only ever talk about other screenplay guidos, barring the occasional mention of the rich bearded jew who can get their movie produced)

― PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 12 March 2006 07:04 (twenty years ago)

Does only Idaho hate California? I just read the recent messages and it's mainly about people from Idaho hating California.

― Jessica Tang, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Hate away on our state's birthday. 159 years young.

― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 17:09 (sixteen years ago)

We're celebrating by using Mike Duvall as a GOP poster boy.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 17:10 (sixteen years ago)

Energy lobbyists are very bad girls!
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/gop_lawmakers_graphic_sex-bragging_caught_on_tape.php/

― kate78, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 17:19 (sixteen years ago)

OMG, that is some delicious scandale, right there!

― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 17:25 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

Our British coworker just said “I love the way you say ‘lamps.’ LAYMPS! Americans are hilarious!” Over here in the New York homeland, we’ve done our best to observe and participate in the mystic culture of the UK, squinting in the dark, as fascinated by its unknowable ways as much as we are by LA, whose ways we may be able to understand but often try to pretend don’t exist.

Read more: http://www.thefader.com/2009/08/26/the-xx-do-you-mind-kyla-cover-mp3/#ixzz10aZZrf39

― Edgware Wolf in London (admrl), Saturday, 25 September 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)

It's fair to say "Matthew Schnipper" and I would not be friends

(Hi Matthew, I presume like the rest of us, you Google yourself frequently and are reading this. Your tone in this short piece annoys me but maybe you're a perfectly alright dude)

― Edgware Wolf in London (admrl), Sunday, 26 September 2010 00:00 (fifteen years ago)

Everyone I have ever met who hates Californians "taking over" their state (this is a small sample of loudmouths living in Idaho, Utah and New Mexico) has been a total backwoods person who has never been outside their own backyard.

― Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Sunday, 26 September 2010 00:15 (fifteen years ago)

over here, substitute "new york" for "california" and you've got it.

― Ed Kranepool borrow Chico Escuela's soap and never give it back (Eisbaer), Sunday, 26 September 2010 00:43 (fifteen years ago)

though NY drivers DO suck that is true ... and they do cause our already bloated property taxes to go up even more ...

― Ed Kranepool borrow Chico Escuela's soap and never give it back (Eisbaer), Sunday, 26 September 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)

California is the most popular and attractive girl in school. Of course, people hate and fear it.

― fan of puppetry (Spinspin Sugah), Sunday, 26 September 2010 00:50 (fifteen years ago)

thank you Spinspin Sugah. everywhere has shitty drivers.

― Matt P, Sunday, 26 September 2010 00:58 (fifteen years ago)

About 80% of the time since I've moved to DC, whenever people ask me where I'm from, and I say Los Angeles (I was raised in the Inland Empire, but not that many people know where in California that is, and I like living in LA way way more anyway), they respond with either "oh God, I HATE Los Angeles" or "I could NEVER live there". I just shrug and talk about how I grew to love traffic. Most of the time they seem to be receptive to San Francisco and/or San Diego, though.

― C-L, Sunday, 26 September 2010 01:01 (fifteen years ago)

non-californians who loathe LA but love san diego are weird

― iatee, Sunday, 26 September 2010 02:30 (fifteen years ago)

Or right wing, or both.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 26 September 2010 02:44 (fifteen years ago)

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― buzza, Sunday, 26 September 2010 03:29 (fifteen years ago)

I just shrug and talk about how I grew to love traffic.

but DC traffic is almost as bad as LA traffic! Possibly even worse.

― Maltodextrin, Sunday, 26 September 2010 04:26 (fifteen years ago)

And Atlanta has the worst traffic of anywhere.

Let 'em think that...

― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Sunday, 26 September 2010 07:33 (fifteen years ago)

DC traffic feels unnecessary. Like, if everyone was better at driving and the lights were timed a little better we could all save at least 10 minutes a day. And if Northern Virginia in particular was more of a grid and less of an aggregation of winding roads to nowhere, that'd also really help. (Obviously that would never actually happen, but I'm just saying.)

Like I feel like when I got stuck in LA it was because there were just a million cars in front of me and there was nothing to really do about it, whereas in DC it is more often like some dude blocks everyone behind him for two stoplights so he can try and parallel park, or because they figure out they're in the wrong lane right as the lane forks off in the opposite direction.

― C-L, Sunday, 26 September 2010 20:56 (fifteen years ago)

ten months pass...

Everyone I have ever met who hates Californians "taking over" their state ... has been a total backwoods person...

This more or less sums up the seething hatred of "Hollywood" by countless millions of right wingnuts. (P.S. I miss Abbbbbbottttt.)

― Aimless, Thursday, 18 August 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)

how can people hate California? there are so many facets to this state that it kind of represents any and every demographic and viewpoint that exists.

― sold my soul to satin (the table is the table), Thursday, 18 August 2011 17:52 (fourteen years ago)

it's like they don't know how to look at maps.
http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/faculty/healey/US_election/figs/CA.png

― sold my soul to satin (the table is the table), Thursday, 18 August 2011 17:55 (fourteen years ago)

Had no idea that the Channel Islands were buried a mild deep under the rest of California.

― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LStRxwN7hI (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 18 August 2011 17:57 (fourteen years ago)


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