Come anticipate Miyazaki's "Howl's Moving Castle" with me

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Debuted at the Venice Film Festival last week, and should see release in Japan in November and abroad late 2004/early 2005. It's based (somewhat loosely, apparently) on Diana Wynne Jones' novel of the same name.

The book was one of my favorites as a kid, and everything I've heard about this is that it may be Miyazaki's best so far. The Image Album is also beautiful, but I'm a sucker for things like that.

So who else is looking at prices on plane tickets to Japan?

A few images can be found here.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It won't be hard to top Spirited Away.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

im busy antipicating steamboy

:| (....), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, that does look cool. Still, I have the capacity to anticipate more than one film at a time. Adam should be ashamed of himself though, for showing disrespect towards Spirited Away.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

It won't be hard to top Spirited Away.

You are dead to me.

I have the book and should get around to reading it before the film comes out.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, you've already killed me a thousand times before! ;P

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I am alone on ILX in my nonplussedness towards this subject.

No Face was cute, I'll grant you that.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

the movie died after they left the bath huose.

:| (....), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

you should become a stoner adam, because spirited away is the craziest thing ever when you're so high you can't get off the couch

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't get off the couch anyway. It's faux-leather and I usually stick to it.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Which sounds like I sit on my couch naked, when you read it back.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Which of course I don't.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

woman dies stuck to couch

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't weigh 480 pounds.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

holy shit that first picture is fucking crazy!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

it's like a... moving castle!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

4'10" and 480#, i mean 480# is a lot at many heights, but 4 FEET TEN INCHES... that's straight out of a miyazaki anime.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a shame that photo of Miyazaki isn't also a screenshot, I'd pay to see a film like that.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

it's very lifelike.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

omg omg omg

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

otm otm otm

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a two minute trailer here.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

squeeeeeeal

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

That trailer is very cool. Shame it's all in foreign, though.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll be in the theater in November. Understanding only every fifth word maybe, but I'll be in the theater.

Laura E (laurae55), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Because of what Adam wrote I am going to go work for Expedia.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Laura E - Do you live in Japan?

supercub, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes.

Laura E (laurae55), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll take pictures at the opening on my cell phone and post them if it helps you live vicariously through me.

Laura E (laurae55), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 05:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, all his stuff is great. I was all ready for My Neighbor Totoro to suck, but I watched it tonight and it was very nearly as great as Spirited Away! Now I can't wait to see Kiki's Delivery Service (and this new movie, of course).

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Steamboy looks good, too. Does anybody remember the trailer//name for the big-budget animated Korean movie last year? I saw it, was wowed, and never thought of it again...

ex-jeremy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know... I loved Mononoke and Spirited Away, but I was totally underwhelmed by Kiki, both for its dearth of lush animation and its lackluster plot.

Still, some people seem enchanted by it, so who knows.

Laura E (laurae55), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Bah, I forgot about Mononoke. That one was totally lame.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Less lame than Kiki zipping around pointlessly on her broom for an hour and a half and failing to advance the torpid plot. At least Mononoke had some cool art design, and things happened.

Laura E (laurae55), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Where?

I'm in Tokyo

supercub, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't seen KKDS yet. Maybe Spirited Away and Totoro are just his best two. Mononoke was so boring, all serious and obvious and moralistic. No part was anyhere near as perfect as, like, when the sisters give Totoro the umbrella. I liked the little click-head guys though.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread makes me want to watch Panda Ko Panda.

why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:50 (twenty-one years ago)

we have the cat one to look forward to first 8)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:07 (twenty-one years ago)

This is pretty exciting - DWJ is one of my bestest authors ever, and Miyazaki rocks like he ain't a pensioner. I think Ghibli already did Castle In The Air, which is a (kind of sort of maybe same universe innit) sequel to Howl's Moving Castle. Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what they've done with the material, as it's very...English in tone.

Isn't The Cat Returns directed by some sparkly young protege rather than Mr Miyazaki?

Liz :x (Liz :x), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

have any of you been to the ghibli museum near tokyo?

i went last month- i was somewhat disappointed by the small scale of the museum and how half of it was devoted to Pixar.. but what displays there were, were AMAZING and you get to browse through the original sketches for totoro, kiki etc (there were hundreds of them) and look through miyazaki's own sketchbooks which were full of clippings and pictures. and i got to pose like a robot next to the robot from Laputa/castle in the sky. and i ate at the Kiki Cafe. and rode in a catbus (shuttle service from the station to the museum).

i think kiki is magical- a girl finding her own way. learning how to use her powers. living above a bakery. making friends. being crushed on by a bespectacled preppie boy. only the ending marrs it.

may, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not familiar with the source material but this looks dead exciting. I loved Spirited Away.

What a dapper-looking gent Mr. Miyazaki is.

Steamboy looks fun as well. It's by the Akira dude!

robster (robster), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I was watching the making-of on the Spirited Away disc 2 the other night, and fell in love with Miyazaki's dimples. What a silver fox.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:38 (twenty-one years ago)

> Castle In The Air

Laputa? i hadn't realised this was an adaptation. doesn't Dawson Leary voice one of the characters? this must be a new version because i doubt Dawson was alive the first time it was out (yes, 1985 originally, re-released 2003. JVDB was born in 77. close.)

Kiki is great, one of my favourites, but i realise i'm not in it's target demographic. plus, the flying.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

his hatred for "Spirited away" is the thing i like most about adam. That film was just crap.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you so much for your reasoned and well-explained opinion.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Argh, I joined one of those DVDs-by-Post services last week, and the first thing I ordered was 'Kiki', but it seems to have gone AWOL in the mail, and this thread is making me feel its absence very keenly.

Koogs, I don't suppose you burn me some vcds, for, erm, evaluative purposes?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)

its not something i want to think about really and theres not much point because there's no talking to you lot anyway.

xp

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like you to, jed_ : /

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

jed is wrong about everything ever

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear MIAA,

i do not know of what The Nipper is talking above. kthxbye.

8)

(jtn, yep)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

adam is also wrong about everything ever

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

but then again they have OLD SOULS so its no wonder

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(also omg wtf PANDA KO PANDA, dean frankenberry all is forgiven)

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

the correct qualitative order of miyazaki anime goes something like:

totoro > castle of caligostro > nausicaa > laputa > porco rosso > spirited away > the two lupin tv episodes he did > panda ko panda > mononoke > conan, boy of the future > kiki

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

but really he's indivisible

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

CoC second? kiki last? are you on drugs?

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Tis not miyazaki, but Takahata's Grave of the Fireflies is another totally mind-blowing Ghibli film.

no, kiki shouldnt be last :/

may, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm for, of the ones I've seen:

kiki > totoro > graveyard of the fireflies > spirited away > laputa > mononoke

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

The only two Ghibli movies that I've never really been able to get into are Laputa and Princess Monoke (and I do like bits of that), but the rest are FABULOUS.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Nausicaa is awful. I kind of like Ghibli because it stays away from that sort of stuff. But other than that it's all good. (Laputa is one of my favourites though, so maybe we're just different types of fans)

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, I meant Nausicaa, not Laputa! I only had 3 hours of sleep, so everything's a bit jumbled right now. I like Laputa.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i watched totoro the other day for the first time and the bit at the bus stop made me laugh more anything else has done in years. kiki is TWEE AS FUCK (but i still love it)

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Reminds me I must see Grave of the Fireflies soonish.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Kiki's Delivery Service is the Sweet Valley High book series of Miyazaki's career. That's not a bad thing, necessarily.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

that bike looked like a bit of a deathtrap though 8)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, it occurs to me that in this sick universe we live in, the real reason Adam is not fond of Spirited Away is that there wasn't enough Chiklis in it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG I hope this gets a US theatrical release! I think one of the main reasons I liked Princess Mononoke as much as I did was that it's the only one of his films I've ever gotten to see in the theater.

xpost ha ha

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Wouldn't it be funny if Chiklis had done the voices of those three bouncing green heads, unbeknownst to us?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

supercub: Toyohashi

Nickalicious, you're OTM about the Sweet Valley High thing... Maybe even The Babysitters Club. Either way, it probably would have been less offensive if I'd seen Kiki first with fewer expectations of brilliance.

Laura E (laurae55), Thursday, 16 September 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow there's lots more of his stuff that I haven't seen!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 16 September 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

You are all mad.

adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 September 2004 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Admit it, you wanted Chiklis more.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 September 2004 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i've just noticed a ghibli routemaster in the background in kiki...

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 16 September 2004 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://img.mysan.de/mymovies/venice61/howlsmovingcastle/Howl_1st_Poster.jpg.asset_r.jpg

Now THAT is exciting.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

adam, i have never been disappointed in you before. this is new.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 16 September 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

jimmy what an awesome fuckin' shot.

57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
There's a Miyazaki profile in the 17 Jan edition of the New Yorker.

57 7th (calstars), Monday, 17 January 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

I wish he'd just fuck off with all his silly animals in tow.

Awesome Welles (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 January 2005 02:41 (twenty years ago)

But your lord and saviour Chiklis was in one of the films. How can you be such a faithless apostate?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 January 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

Those silly, silly animals.

Awesome Welles (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 January 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/ is the place for miyazaki info.
And that we've gotten this far with no mention of the raccoon movie (with it's giant testicle attacks!) leaves me with little hope for the future of ILX.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 January 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

"totoro > castle of caligostro > nausicaa > laputa > porco rosso > spirited away > the two lupin tv episodes he did > panda ko panda > mononoke > conan, boy of the future > kiki"

wtf~~~

ade (Adrian Langston), Monday, 17 January 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

"Pom Poko" was directed by Isao Takahata

ade (Adrian Langston), Monday, 17 January 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

btw, adam is an assbag and I hope that the next time he goes to see a movie he accidentally walks into a sulfer treatment plant, with hoses that spray him with human excrement and broken glass raining down upon his head, and giant, poison spewing spiders attacking from all angles.

ade (Adrian Langston), Monday, 17 January 2005 04:00 (twenty years ago)

Wait, I meant Nausicaa, not Laputa! I only had 3 hours of sleep, so everything's a bit jumbled right now. I like Laputa.

I'm very glad Nicole corrected herself there, since having seen Laputa now I would have thought she was nuts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 January 2005 04:01 (twenty years ago)

btw, adam is an assbag and I hope that the next time he goes to see a movie he accidentally walks into a sulfer treatment plant, with hoses that spray him with human excrement and broken glass raining down upon his head, and giant, poison spewing spiders attacking from all angles.

I'm not an assbag. And this won't happen.

Awesome Welles (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 January 2005 06:15 (twenty years ago)

Don't make me come and puncture your oesopagus like a fucking...desert seagull.

Awesome Welles (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 January 2005 06:16 (twenty years ago)

that sounds like a terrible sulfur treatment plant. just focus on getting the job done for christ's sake.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 January 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Howl's is kicking ass and naming names:

On March 2nd, Toho announced that the number of attendees for Howl's Moving Castle had passed that of Princess Mononoke (14.2 million) with 14,226,082 total attendance. It is now the second most attended Japanese film after Spirited Away (23.5 million)

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/culture/news/20050302i506.htm (in Japanese)
http://www.asahi.com/culture/update/0302/009.html (in Japanese)

Brian Ruh spotted a Screen Daily article (registration required) that notes "Howl" may soon pass "Spirited Away"'s $245 million (USD) international gross.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

And backtracking a bit, an interesting little general tidbit:

The new Screen International (No. 1490, 25th February) carries an interview with Studio Ghibli producer Toshio Suzuki, conducted by Mark Schilling. Most interesting quote:

"A notorious perfectionist and workaholic, Miyazaki is already busy with his next project, which is pencilled in for a 2007 or 2008 release. 'He's good for another ten years at least,' insists Suzuki. 'He has no plans to retire.'"

Other things: "Ghibli is planning two 30-minute animations, that may be helmed by someone other than Miyazaki. They will be released in a double-bill, tentatively in the summer of 2006. The stories are still a secret, Suzuki says."

- "(Suzuki) does not intend to change Ghibli's release pattern of a new Miyazaki every 3 years. "People are eager to see his films because he doesn't make them quickly," says Suzuki. "If he made one a year, they wouldn't be nearly as interested." Pixar, suggests Suzuki, "ought to slow down."

- There are "no plans" for any special comemoration of Studio Ghibli's 20th birthday.

- "In South Korea, Howl is on its way to five million admissions, a record for a Japanese film."

- "Inside the lobby of their headquarters, Miyazaki, Suzuki and the semi-retired Takahata all have their punchcards in a rack, together with those of the studio's hundred or so other employees.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
ATTENTION NYC ILXORS

Howl no ugoku shiro (Howl’s Moving Castle). 2004. Japan. Written and directed by Hayao Miyazaki. A North American premiere. Sophie works diligently in a hat shop while her countrymen go off to war in the fervent spirit of imperial conquest. After befriending the mysterious boy Howl, Sophie is transformed by magic into an old woman. The ensuing madcap adventures in Howl’s moving sky-castle remind her that her joy can never be fully suppressed. 118 min.
Monday, June 6, 8:30. T1

Rumour also has it that Miyazaki-san will be in attendance.
Pre-order tickets are SOLD OUT; the other half of the remaining tickets will go on sale at 1:00 on Monday; DO NOT GET IN MY WAY but do stop by, mm'kay?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 4 June 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

There is a Miyazaki festival at the PFA beginning this weekend in Berkeley, as well. I'll try to hit some of them. I believe the version of Howl's Moving Castle they're going to show is the dubbed one though.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 4 June 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

Aaaargh, I'm working that night. Growf.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 4 June 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

I just got back from a Ghibli double feature myself: Nausicaa is still gorgeous, but american dubbing doesn't help.
'My Neighbor the Yamadas' was GREAT! Charming and fun with great visual flourishes; it would make a nice double bill of "ballads for the common man via japan" with 'Happiness of the Katakuris'

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 4 June 2005 02:53 (twenty years ago)

nytimes review, fwiw. has anyone seen it yet?
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/10/movies/10howl.html

teeny (teeny), Friday, 10 June 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

I've seen it! I liked it but not as much as Spirited Away.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 June 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

I saw it too . . . with Jaymc. It's good but not *great*

kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 10 June 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

I'll probably make some of these PFA Miyazakis. And I'll probably hate them, just like all the others.

the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Friday, 10 June 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

I'm fairly sure that

Suzanne Pleshette >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Billy Crystal

L'Histoire d'Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 10 June 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Crystal was fairly cringeworthy, but I warmed up to him by the end.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 June 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

I enjoyed it, I need to see it again for sure (and without the Disney dubbing which I had a spark of hope for after Spirited Away, but this is back to Mononoke levels of cringeworthiness).

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 16 June 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

I realy really liked it, although the ending was super-rushed.

Simon H. (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 June 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

OTM Gygax and Simon.
I didn't make the premiere that day; there were people lined up for a one-o-clock ticket offer at eight AM. I got there at 11:45 to find everything gone except for a small mob of angry screaming people. Waited four days and saw it on Friday; gorgeous but a terrible ending.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Not as good as Spirited, but amazing just the same. I loved it, and there were a lot of bits that i fell in love with (the living scarecrow was awesome!) and even though Billy Crystal's character was at times on the verge of going all wisecracking-Aladdin's-Genie on us, it never really got too much to handle. Plus the whole bit when Howl "is summoning the spirits of the underworld" and they joke about him, that was hilarious.

But it's a gorgeous movie.

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Friday, 17 June 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

I saw it. I liked it a lot, though not as much as spirited away.

The way they sort of wrap things up really quick at the end kind of bothered me though.

peter in montreal (spaces are allowed), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

I had mixed feelings about the scarecrow.... first his smile (a reprise of Panda Kopanda amd Totoro) and second his pogo (another reprise of the bouncing lamppost from Spirited Away).

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I didn't think the ending was terrible just rushed. Trying to figure out the whole time-travel business made my head hurt.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/fatnerd1.gif

DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

You misspelled Miyazaki.
Also, Howl is an EMO BOY.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 18 June 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

There's another movie w/ Christian Bale and a scarecrow that was better than this.

Leeeeee (Leee), Saturday, 18 June 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Finally saw it and will have more thoughts later but I agree with the general 'good but not great' take -- I think there were many great *moments* but the abrupt shifts in tone (not necessarily surprising given his other work) made me think of a movie that was out to have its cake and eat it too. V. much a melange of his other work as well -- besides other things mentioned above, I caught Porco Rosso's suspicion of hyperpatriotism/incipient fascism, Castle in the Sky's steampunk fetish...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 July 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

I loved it, but the ending seemed a bit "Mecha Bot" to me, i.e. let's end with the standard closing shot of all the main characters joking & laughing.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Monday, 4 July 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Best review yet at Pixelsurgery (if a bit jaundiced); takes the film on its own merits rather than retroactively lauding Hayao as every other media outlet has.
Americans still seem to think of Miyazaki as some sort of obscure cult; he's as big as Disney everywhere else but in the US!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 July 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

I saw it once in Tokyo, once in New York and loved it. Obviously the sheer scope of the visual imagination is its main strength, but I also liked the moral ambivalence: the fact that no character stays bad or is vilified for long. Even the Witch of the Waste, who transforms Sophie into an old lady and wants Howl's heart for herself, is protected and treasured by the very people she's damaged, and strikes, in the end, a vulnerable and pathetic figure (although, importantly, not unamenable to cajoling). When Howl sees a warship flying over, he doesn't care if it's one of "theirs" or one of "ours". It's a vehicle of war, and that's enough to down it (without killing anyone).

Momus (Momus), Monday, 4 July 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Momus: those are qualities that hold true in EVERY Miyazaki movie; they're just not as fully realized or well-fleshed out in this one.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 July 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

They transmitted themselves to me beautifully, anyway. Apologies if it was too obvious to state their presence on this thread.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 4 July 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Forksclove, it seems like you agree with Momus. So why does your post come across like an argument?

For what it's worth, those were precisely the things that struck me about the movie, too, and I haven't seen anyone mention them on this thread, so I'm glad someone did. I haven't seen any of Miyazaki's other movies, so maybe I wasn't as prepared as some of the others on this thread were for the shifting of good/evil characters.

I was confused about Howl's role in the war. Is that where the black door led to? Where did he go, all those times, when he came back as a bird, wasted and tired?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 4 July 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

The black door seems to lead to a perpetual nighttime battlefield in the war (or more accurately cloud-shrouded -- there's one part where Howl shoots up through a break in the clouds and you see it's daytime). V. evocative, I thought.

I haven't seen any of Miyazaki's other movies, so maybe I wasn't as prepared as some of the others on this thread were for the shifting of good/evil characters.

Well, to be fair, Miyazaki does have characters that are clearly evil or good depending, so it's not a constant hallmark, but certainly there's a fair amount of ambiguity. That said, I can definitely see how this being someone's first Miyazaki film would make it a wide-ranging introduction to a variety of his key themes and motifs.

I should also say that without having read the original book I can't say how much of what we see in the movie comes from the book, how much was in the book that Miyazaki felt an affinity to and how much is solely Miyazaki. Has anyone read the book *and* seen the movie?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 July 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Really, Ned? I can't think of a purely evil character in ANY of Miyazaki's films; all of his characters are generally pretty fully fleshed.

Momus and Tracer: I'm not really arguing, I'm just suggesting that many people who have never seen (many) other Miyazaki movies are approaching 'Howl' without much background or exposure to his earlier works; a reasonable analogy would be to say, after seeing Disney's 'Lion King' "well, that sure did mine some archetypal fables and make you really connect with the anthropomorphic critters". Sure it did; EVERY Disney movie does that. Pretty much every Miyazaki helmed Ghibli film features: women cleaning as representative of their power (don't ask), ambiguous villains, selfless heroes, disjointed plotlines that tend to be resolved in somewhat hokey and ambiguous deus ex mystical fashion (Spirited Away and Mononoke being the biggest culprits of this prior to Howl, which ended so abruptly and absurdly that I have to assume that something went wrong with the translation) and glorious glorious handdrawn animation. These are constants in Miyazaki's universe and used to the point of cliche now. What I (and a few other die-harders) didn't like so much about 'Howl' was that film's reliance on the traditional Ghibli cliches and its general lack of emotional resonance and depth (which can be found in MUCH greater degrees in, say, Porco Rosso, Kiki, Totoro or Nausicaa.

I know I'm a massive geek, but it was a bit disappointing. Still a nice film, but not one I would recommend to a first-time watcher.

And Momus, I didn't mean to come across quite so snotty; I gotta watch my use of Caps Lock. All impressions are legit and so on.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 July 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

I can't think of a purely evil character in ANY of Miyazaki's films; all of his characters are generally pretty fully fleshed.

colonel muska in "castle in the sky" is pretty unambiguously evil, though i agree with the point you were making.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 4 July 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Muska was pretty much the example I was thinking of. Castle in the Sky is a lot more clearly drawn than others, certainly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 July 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

The queen seems pretty evil, and her henchmen are definitely evil, although whether they're people or not is debatable. The young girl/old woman's mother, the one who runs the hat shop, is totally evil, even if she didn't actually betray her own daughter, which it seems like she did. Howl is good, but has issues. Howl's apprentice has no vile bone. Girl/old woman is good, or at least I can't remember her being evil.

Calcifer doesn't get the privilege of being good or evil, since he's the same type of "servant" character you see in Shakespeare, good for laughs, not really aware of the larger issues. It's interesting to me that this servant character is essentially Howl's heart, Howl's heart makes the whole castle run, Howl's heart argues with him sometimes, doesn't like to do what it's told, is reCalcitrant.

The only character who really veers is the Witch of the Waste, who is unalloyed evil and then turns into this pitiable thing, and eventually becomes everyone's doddering mother!

Am I right to think that when Howl created Calcifer by, er, removing his own heart and turning it into a glowing ember, he essentially decided not to grow up? His bedroom, surrounded by childrens' toys... the tunnels lined with gingerbread men, all very odd.

And the reason why I don't think the black door is just "Howl's off to the war" is that Howl makes it clear that he's always running away, that he's selfish. Maybe the war is his way of running away from... what?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 4 July 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Howl's narcissicism is also interesting. "What's the point in living if you're not beautiful?" His horror when his hair loses its blond colour, and so on. Perhaps self-love stands here for "heartlessness", or perhaps it's just amusing characterisation. I certainly know Japanese males exactly like that.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 04:21 (twenty years ago)

As I suggested upthread, he is a massive emo boy.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

The hair color sequence is truly marvellous. Talk about apocalypse in small moments.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 04:58 (twenty years ago)

I was lucky enough that when I got to the theatre it was subtitled instead of dubbed. I don't think I could have handled 2 hours of Billy Crystal. The movie was fantastic, a great story, but the ending seemed a little rushed, probably from trying to cram all of the book in. Why did her mother betray Sophie so easily? Why did Sphie turn young again when she slept? I agree with Tracer about his thoughts on Howl's permanent adolescence. I think I'll try to hunt down a copy of the book now.
I got the impression the Witch of the Waste had made a deal with Suliman and when Suliman no longer needed her she revealed her true age.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

I was lucky enough that when I got to the theatre it was subtitled instead of dubbed.

Nice! That was my fate for Spirited Away many moons ago.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

It seems that a lot has been changed from the book, but it's a great read anyway, as is all Diana Wynne Jones. Howl's alternative world in the book is really Wales (as he escaped from there into the magic world of Sophie etc. years ago to become a wizard) and he's not a permanent adolescent except mentally (like many men who don't have to expend much effort to get what they want). There's not really a war on as far as I remember. Is there the subplot with Sophie's sisters exchanging apprenticeships in the film?

Liz :x (Liz :x), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Nope. In fact I think there's only one sister in the film at all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe I still haven't seen this, I've been so busy.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

I strongly recommend reading Takashi Murakami's essay on this movie in the Little Boy museum catalog.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Wait, there's one other big thing that no one's mentioned. Of course it could be because this is common to all Miyazaki's movies, I have no idea, but besides the shifting of the Witch of the Waste it struck me the hardest -- if this had been a western movie, the climax of the movie would have to have been the moment when Sophie becomes young again. There might be many plots and subplots, but they would all angle around to this orgasmic moment. When will she become young? How will she sccomplish it? What sequence of characters must she speak with? Who has the key? What is the recipe? How do I install Windows XP? And then -- ta da!!

In the movie we actually have, this moment doesn't exist. She becomes young again by degrees. Even the mechanism by which she becomes young again remains obscure. It's barely even an issue.

(By the way, I decided I liked her much more as the old woman!)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
posters for this all over london at the moment but i was never actually close enough or moving slowly enough to read the details as to when it opens. anyone?

koogs (koogs), Monday, 12 September 2005 08:04 (twenty years ago)

Sept 23rd I think, at the Curzon Soho anyway

bidfurd__, Monday, 12 September 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

First interview in 10 years, apparenty:
http://film.guardian.co.uk/interview/interviewpages/0,6737,1569689,00.html

and yep, adverts in papers on saturday confirm the 23rd

koogs (koogs), Sunday, 18 September 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

... the miner's strike .. ?!

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 18 September 2005 11:00 (twenty years ago)

It's not as good as Spirited Away, and the plot's rather, um, non-linear, but I could look at Miyazaki's animation all day. Favourite character: the scarecrow.

Anyone else seen it?

chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Saturday, 1 October 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

I thought calcifer was great

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 October 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, he was good. I allso liked how Howl was sometimes this really cool wizard guy and sometimes a sulky brat.

chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Saturday, 1 October 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
man, that wizard was even gayer than gandalf. gayest wizard ever.

Gay Wizard Patrol, Monday, 2 January 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://theimaginaryworld.com/tic749.jpg

Gay Wizard Patrol, Monday, 2 January 2006 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.petceteraneworleans.com/admin_tool/uploads_big/Wizard-Hat.JPG

gay Wizard Patrol, Monday, 2 January 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Marc-Bolan-2006-01.jpg

Gay Wizard Patrol, Monday, 2 January 2006 04:07 (nineteen years ago)

Now we're talking.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 January 2006 04:29 (nineteen years ago)

eight months pass...
Studio Ghibli DVDs between £7-£10 from HMV London! Wow!

I must say I was mildly disappointed with HMC the first time I watched it, particularly with the ending which seemed unnecessarily abrupt. But on further viewings (I've watched int around 5 times now) different bits reveal themselves and in fact everything makes sense. That said I still don't know how they got away with "Hi, I'm this one guy who got mentioned offhand right at the beginning of the film. Thank you for saving me, I'm off to stop this silly war, g'bye dudes!".

I got The Cat Returns from HMV - what do people make of this? Is it a recent film? I really enjoyed it - obv not as big and epic as Spirited or Howl's but certainly better than Mononoke (which I thought was a bit of a snooze) but there was something very charming about the whole thing. I was expecting it to be twee beyond nausea but no, it was very good. I especially liked the messenger cat with the silly rosy cheeks. The ending was left open and completely ambiguous which was odd for a Miyazaki movie.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god, I just realised TCR isn't Miyazaki - I thought it was!

wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:13 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

(i know this is a film specific thread, but couldn't find a thread dedicated solely to studio ghibli so i'll put this here)

just finished watching only yesterday (omohide poro poro), a ghibli film from 1992, and it was sublime. really really gorgeous animation, and a great subtle use of expressionism in an otherwise wholly realist anime. it dealt with feelings of nostalgia for one's youth better than any ghibli film i've seen, and had a beautiful soundtrack (the credits seemed to hint that ymo were involved somehow, there is little english information on line to confirm this).

wiki sez it is the only ghibli anime yet to receive a western release, anyone else seen this beautiful film?

rio (r1o natsume), Thursday, 4 December 2008 17:09 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.ecranlarge.com/upload/movies/images/movie12213/small_320882.jpg

M.V., Thursday, 4 December 2008 18:24 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, you.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 December 2008 18:24 (sixteen years ago)

I absolutely loved Only Yesterday, for most of the reasons above and also because the period detail (for both eras) was so perfect. I also really dug the way that the credits had already started to roll by the time the romantic subplot was resolved, a cute touch. The little scenes (like the pineapple eating and gathering the safflowers) have emotional heft to them too, with some real magic in depicting the mundane. I doubt it ever got a cinematic release here, but it's available on Region 2 dvd in the UK and elsewhere as part of the Studio Ghibli Collection from Optimum Releasing.

On a non-Ghibli note, Makoto Shinkai's "5 Centimeters Per Second" is well worth a look in an Only Yesterday/Whisper of The Heart/Cat Returns vein. Shinkai started out as pretty much a one-man anime maker and whilst 5CPS hasn't got the depth of Miyazaki/Ghibli it's incredibly beautiful to look at.

Bill A, Thursday, 4 December 2008 23:19 (sixteen years ago)

six months pass...

http://www.apple.com/trailers/disney/ponyo/

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 03:45 (sixteen years ago)

I know Disney blah blah blah but I'll still see it because it looks beautiful and Ponyo is so cute I already <3 him.

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 03:56 (sixteen years ago)

this is playing at the LAFF, but only to a select audience. it's a shame, there's not much else of note at the festival this year.

Garbanzo (get bent), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 05:52 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

Finally saw this. It's....good? I was charmed all the way through, lots of little things to smile at and be carried away by...but boy does this movie not make any sense. Kind of fairy-tale logic I guess - stuff just happens, it's never set up beforehand or explained after the fact. Dream logic, maybe. That's where a lot of the charm comes in but it's hard to really feel a connection to the characters or the action, even, since you don't know why anybody's doing anything.

Of the seven of his films that I've seen it seems the weakest - but the weakest Miyazaki film is still a pretty good thing to be...

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 29 January 2012 05:45 (thirteen years ago)

seven months pass...

I had thought this movie was a little bit of a disappointment when I saw it in the theater. But I watched it again last night and it just totally did it for me. It reminded me of all my favorite fantastic books – Neverending Story, Castle of Otranto, the Oz Books – very inconsistent in tone and with manic pacing but those flaws are made up by dizzying, rapid-fire blossomings of imagination and sublimity!

I liked that they never slowed down to explain anything – you just had to go along with the fantasy dream logic. And god, it LOOKS so good. Beautiful, richly detailed background paintings. Amazing (and sometimes garish) character design. I don't think this movie got enough credit for how it looks! Like I'm riding on good feelings from last night but I'd say it's Miyazaki's best-looking film. And so unafraid to be baroque and bizarre! That wartorn hellscape being bombed to death by those airships, Howl as a bird-man fighting (by flying around being handsome?), and the henchmen are these frog-bird-goons in derbies straight out of Yellow Submarine! That's the animated film it most resembles, I think.

The themes really resonated with me, too. IDK why this movie worked for me so much better seven years later but it did.

ms fotheringham (Crabbits), Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:00 (thirteen years ago)

The whole ending is so 'wait...what?' in the best possible way!
I time traveled back to your childhood and saw you eat a demon and now I know how to save you with love!
Ok, 30 seconds later! The turnip/scarecrow is now a (hilariously blonde dandy) prince from the neighboring kingdom! Go tell your father the stupidity of war!
<3 <3 THE END

ms fotheringham (Crabbits), Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:04 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah I think it's a movie that gets stronger and comes into its own more with time.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:05 (thirteen years ago)

Am I just going through a thing in life or were there TONS OF SHOTS OF HOWL'S ASS?

ms fotheringham (Crabbits), Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:09 (thirteen years ago)

Is this movie...is this Miyazaki's HUGO THE HIPPO?

ms fotheringham (Crabbits), Sunday, 2 September 2012 17:10 (thirteen years ago)

Huge advocate for this film, Deus Ex Machina notwithstanding. I think it just about edges over Spirited Away, and it certainly improves every time I've seen it.

This Is... The Police (dog latin), Monday, 3 September 2012 10:45 (thirteen years ago)

The scene where the castle pitches up beside a gorgeous alpine lake and they just busy themselves with cleaning, hanging out washing and then having a nice sit down is one of my favourite things in the whole of Ghibli's output.

that mustardless plate (Bill A), Monday, 3 September 2012 11:54 (thirteen years ago)

It's often these little understated scenes that make Ghibli what they are. The poignant sequence where Chojiro takes a train journey to Granny's house in Spirited Away is among my favourites. Love the way there are other passengers on the train but they're just ghostly outlines of people in rain coats getting on and off. It emphasises the loneliness and otherness of the journey I guess. Need to watch that movie again soon - it's been at least two years.

This Is... The Police (dog latin), Monday, 3 September 2012 11:57 (thirteen years ago)

Love this movie except for the last couple of minutes.

Simon H., Monday, 3 September 2012 13:08 (thirteen years ago)

seven years pass...

rewatched this film for the umpteenth time last night and enjoyed it loads but still have the same questions

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Thursday, 2 January 2020 09:27 (five years ago)


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