Defend the Indefensible: The Star Wars Prequels

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I kinda fucked up didn't I?

Love
George

George Lucas, Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

You might have ended my career too you know. They are awful George. Can we just bin Episode 3 and pretend the other two never existed?

Ewen MacGregor, Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear Ewen,

No.

George

George Lucas, Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Any chance I can be taken out of the re-re-mastered ones?

Alec Guinness (afarrell), Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

http://penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040922l.jpg

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The fact that they suck is to at least a degree a blessing. Having demanded some hundred pounds for video reissues one a and two, and now for the DVD edition, it is somewhat advantagiouse that the prequels will never render prudent such expenditure.

lukey (Lukey G), Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

George,

My mum and dad say that I'm shit in the role and people laugh at me on the street. When you re-release Episode 2 can you digitally replace me with Chewbacca?

Cheers

Hayden

Hayden Christensen, Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I kinda enjoyed them. I'm looking forward to episode 3.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm already annoyed that Naboo does not get torched and the Jedi Temple is still around. C'mon, let's have some proper death and destruction.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

the second one wasn't so bad. the third one might be better.

sorry, that's as fervent as i can get.

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree

teh pow! (blueski), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

How bold.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

http://bushwhacked.net/bits/boring.jpg

why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha.

http://www.albany.net/~genxtv/lids1.gif

"How's THAT for a topper?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Up on the hilltop where the vultures perch,
That's where I'm gonna build my church,
Ain't gonna be no priest, ain't gonna be no boss;
Just Charles Nelson Reilly nailed to a cross.

I don't piss, I don't shit, I'm gettin' no relief,
People shake their heads in disbelief.
GO!

Just me on a hilltop with 15 girls,
In a Nelson Reilly orgy that'll make your hair curl.
I don't piss, I don't shit, I'm gettin' no relief,
People shake their heads in disbelief.

Yeah, Charles Nelson Reilly, he's our man,
He can't heal the sick with the touch of his hand,
He can't walk on water, can't make wine flow;
Just another greedy actor on the late late show!

I don't piss, I don't shit, I'm gettin' no relief,
People shake their heads in disbelief.
GO!

Just me on a hilltop with 15 girls,
In a Nelson Reilly orgy that'll make your hair curl.
I don't piss, I don't shit, I'm gettin' no relief,
People shake their heads in disbelief.

All Hail the Dead Milkmen (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm always surprised that people rate the second one above the first: TPM's worst moments (Midichlorian's, Tattooine again, "yippee") just seem sort of goofy, whereas AOTC, with it's love story and hyper-corny 3PIO, and general lobbing of chunks of meat to the fanboys every twenty minutes, is just appalling. I'd watch the first one again in a pinch, but nothing on earth could get me to see the second again.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

nah, the second had great pacing - the action scenes in the first are awful, no sense of the fleet-of-foot cut'n'dissolve of the original trilogy. the second one buids tension, the first one just made me wanna flee the cinema...

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The first one had more Jar-Jar than the second one, ergo the first one is much much worse than the second one.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Both prequels are pretty dreadfull, but at least AOTC had some jaw-dropping action scenes, and an atmosphere of menace (ironically) missing from TPM. Neither of the plots make much sense.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The plot to TPM makes sense, it just isn't very interesting. Corporate takeovers don't make for good space opera.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I've promised myself I won't get excited about Episode Three, but I'm sure I will (sigh).

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

it has Darth Vader in it ffs

teh pow! (blueski), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Im kinda excited about episode three, but it seems like theres ALOT of ground to cover:

obi wan vs. vader
vader vs. his ladyfriend
vader kills all of the jedi
rise of the empire

and when you consider how f'n stupid and flimsy the other two prequels were, it gives me little hope that the 3rd one will wrap everything up nicely and segway into a new hope as much as the fanz would like it to.

still bevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

At least they're barely cinema.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I just hope they finally Kessell Run!

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

There's gonna be this android thing that helps with the wiping out of the Jedi, it's not just Darth on his own...and Boba Fett must be gunning for Mace Windu.

The main gripes I have about the prequals are:

* The technology! - It's too advanced, it should have looked more basic! It's like every went to pot when the Empire took over, maybe it did, but I woulda thought the Imperial war machine would have advanced.
* The clones! - I always thought that the Storm Troopers were conscripts, and made the destruction of the Death Star an even bigger tragedy. Now it doesn't seem to matter so much.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

WOn't Boba Fett still be a kid though?

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm remembering the horror of the scene where Anakin and Natalie Portman romp in the grass and lasso themselves some large beasts to ride on. God that was awful.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, Jel's points hint that Lucas maybe didn't have the whole 9-part thingee written all along, since whoever wrote the original trilogy obv. had no clue about what went on in the prequels.

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

IE, Lucas = liar.

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I think ep3 will have moved on a few years, maybe. Perhaps, he'll be a little kid boba fett...kids can be bad too...perhaps he'll be a teenager.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

The original ep1 - ep3 notes:

Little kid goes bad. Will work on this after I've done the good bits.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I cannot fathom how anyone could actually enjoy these two films which resemble nothing more than video game demonstrations. You know how you might go into an arcade and there will be a showreel playing and you'll go: "Wow, cool as fuck" and then it will play for five more minutes, by which time you're bored and your brain feels numb? That's the Star Wars prequels.

Woe, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

where Anakin and Natalie Portman romp in the grass and lasso themselves some large beasts to ride on.

I read part of this sentence wrong the first time. I happily blame Dan Perry.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The scene in AotC in the smelting room or whatever, was exactly like 8 million video games!

Huk-L, Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://imprint.uwaterloo.ca/images/20020614/arts_StarWars_anikin-amidala.jpg

"So, my lady, I must ask, those titties, where are they at?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to see episode 7-9!

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

That grass was made for romping.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

and that's just what they'll do...

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i think Episode 3 is set only 2-3 years after Episode 2, so Boba is still a scamp. Chewbacca's appearance may only be incidental and interaction with other main characters limited.

TEASER TRAILER SOON MMKAY?

teh pow! (blueski), Thursday, 23 September 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Patience, young Jedi.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 September 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I liked them more, just to spite all the whiny shitlicks who act like George Lucas ran over their goddamn dogs, skinned them and then used the furs to make ewok costumes. Oh, he ruined your childhood huh? FUCKING DIDDUMS. They're just fucking kids movies you pack of tits, you are not at all ENTITLED to anything, George Lucas is not worthy of comparison to Hitler, and your childhood has NOT been retroactively shitcanned.

(actually I kinda did like them, though i last saw the first one when i was 13. It works pretty well as mindless spectacle, and Ep 2 is one of the most exquisitely funny movies I've ever seen. Unintentionally albeit, but really.)

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 23 September 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

oooh you're so cool

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 23 September 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i came in w/low expectations and thought they were ok

amateur!!st, Thursday, 23 September 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I came in with low expectations and thought they were shit.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 23 September 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Lolo yeah i am!!! high fives for all!

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 23 September 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

#2 is better b/c it has Yoda fighting.

Also, when our heroes have to fight all those monsters in the arena.
Lucas still knows how to set up a good Monster vs. helpless human fight.

The second one begins so terribly (also the middle), but then the end was awesome so I left thinking "decent."

TX, Thursday, 23 September 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I came out of EII with a theory that the corny love scene was actually supposed to be corny because it was supposed to represent the false, hormonally-charged, puppy-love nature of their relationship which ultimately would not be strong enough to overcome the dark side's allure for anakin. Maybe I'm thinking too hard for a George Lucas movie.

Hurting, Friday, 24 September 2004 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Episode One had Ewan MacGregor following Liam Neeson around and calling him Master. If you can find me a better film with that feature, I'll be delighted.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

the prequels have far better saber fights.

Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost with Pickles on saber fights, notably one involving tons of Jedi--a fanboy's wet dream! (Although not enough Jedi were shown dying...)

Really, though, the only redeeming thing about the two prequels cinematically is the VERY end of the second, where you see the Emperor look over his huge army of stormtroopers and sorta-star destroyers, with the classic john williams score. Rest of the movies are hard to defend...

Richard K (Richard K), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear George,

Please stop chasing me up hills you fat bastard.

Five Dollar Note (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The 6 Star Wars films are the crowning achievement of human culture. George Lucas should be revered as the finest artist of the age.

I must go now for my scheduled dose of psychoactive drugs.

THX1138, Friday, 24 September 2004 06:46 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, i prefer the fight from the first flick, than the second. as others have pointed out, having Darth Maul show up is one of the few times that something actually THREATENING happens in these flicks. It was the part that actually had multiple dorks in the audience involunatarily yell "oh SHIT here we go!"

plus, the Obi Wan/Jango fight in the 2nd wins 2nd Best. The yoda thing was pure fan service.

Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Friday, 24 September 2004 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The whole thing's fan service.

Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 24 September 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't mean to troll but, really, it is.

Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 24 September 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sorry I really can't defend these awful films. As prequels they aren't very good at all but even as standalone films they reek of shit.

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 24 September 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think George is chasing any dollar bills of any denomination.

I did forget to mention that Liam Neeson's Sanjuro impersonation dulls a lot of the pain in the first one.

It's becoming clearer to me that one of the best things about EP IV-VI was Harrison Ford, who could actually make this shit sing. There's a story I read recently about Mark Hamill asking "I've just got out of the trash compactor, why is my hair still so good?" and Harrison says "This ain't that kind of film, kid". The tragedy is that the Episodes I&II have Ewan McGregor, this generation's Harrison Ford, and wasted him entirely.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 24 September 2004 08:36 (twenty-one years ago)

that yoda shit in ep 2, that was just embarrassing, i grant you. Lucas has pitched the level of unwelcome humour in the prequels to the standard of a particularly poorly-scripted, lame saturday morning cartoon.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the Yoda fight was too hilarious to be not classic, i just sat there thinking 'omg you're NOT! you CAN'T...bwahahahaha' - good fun

teh pow! (blueski), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, I liked the ass-kicking Yoda bit although I suppose it's a bit incongruous that even bothers with a lightsaber when he could presumably just close his eyes and 'splode Count Doku's heart or summat.

robster (robster), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd always figured Yoda was a lot taller and had basically shrunk the older he got, but of course the prequels are only 30-20 years before A New Hope so there wouldn't be any difference (considering he's 900 or whatever).

teh pow! (blueski), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah dude, look as good you will not.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 24 September 2004 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i never even bothered seeing number 2. i couldn't even imagine saying that five years ago.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 24 September 2004 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Farrell otm. I watched the original movies again a couple years ago, and it was numbingly obvious that the only thing that made them remotely watchable was Han solo. (not necessarily harrison ford, who with the exception of this and indiana jones appears to exist in some kind of charisma-free biodome). They're enjoyable movies but they're essentially dull as hell and most of the characters are uncompelling. Except for Han and Yoda (and admiral akbar obv), and mostly bcz they're such a dramatic contrast to the lameness of everything else. anyway the prequels are a pretty fine continuation of this level of quality, visually imaginative yet stolid and robotic in the extreme, frequently uncompelling and laughable, etc.

i do find George lucas hard to fathom though. I get the impression that he hates all of humanity and Star wars too, and I still have no idea why he's making these movies. Part of me is glad he is though, just because it's upsetting so many people!

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not sure it's upsetting his target market much (EIGHT YEAR OLDS)

teh pow! (blueski), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

well yeah exactly!!! It's upsetting to people who expect adult entertainment out of movies made FOR EIGHT YEAR OLDS

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i forget, did jar jar binks die in the second one?

ken c (ken c), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Based on the fact I don't recall the entire cinema cheering and applauding at any point - no.

robster (robster), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

:-( fuck episode 3, then.

ken c (ken c), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

If he buys the moisture farm in Ep 3, it's worth the ticket price.

robster (robster), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Lucas fucked up, he forgot the fans of 4, 5 and 6 had grown up since 1977-85. Or he didn't care.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't. Still pre-foetal.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

You're doing alright for a collection of cells stuck to a womb.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i think the prequels are MORE aimed at children than episodes 4-6, almost exclusively perhaps. i think as films designed to appeal primarily to kids they're great because of the audiovisual richness and er, making some sort of crass attempt at educating them about political argle-bargle but pretending it's all about who's got the biggest lightsabre really. i'm pretty sure i'd be lovin' them unconditionally as a child personally tho hard to say. of course they could have been made to cater a bit more to today's older, wiser, cynical fun-hatin' original fan but pretty tough compromise. anyway, if Lucas had done that we'd all still be goin' round doin' the moves and saying dumb shit and that would just be silly.

teh pow! (blueski), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I think he just fucked up, I don't think he specifically directed them 'for the younger generation/ergo mostly non star-wars fans'. He's probably saying that now though, to cover his filthy hide.

It would've made more sense to cater a bit more for the older star wars fans. what a dumb ass.

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

u are the L of my L forever for saying "argle-bargle"

(totally otm too)

(does anyone else feel like a douchebag saying 'otm'? no homo)

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It would've made more sense to cater a bit more for the older star wars fans.

not sure this is necessarily true. from an artistic point of view possibly.

teh pow! (blueski), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

why not ?

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.bestmessageboardever.com/uploads/post-5-1089261683.jpg

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

how do the LOTR movie grosses compare to those of the SW prequels? if they're bigger then I will concede that yes Lucas should have tried to focus on better dialogue and a deeper plot, but LOTR has an advantage over SW in that it has a longer history with fans and more permutations/crossover range because it was a text first. better dialogue and deeper plot would've made it better anyway, but they don't seem to matter as much with SW, and everything is simplified for kids (so not even necessarily 'bad'), whereas the LOTR films aim for a slightly older audience, and get more respect among adults in return.

teh pow! (blueski), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

US:
2. Star Wars (1977) $460,935,665
5. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $431,065,444
7. Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) $377,019,252
11. Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) $340,478,898
16. Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) $313,837,577
17. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002) $310,675,583
18. Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983) $309,125,409

Rest of world:

2. Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) $752,200,000 5. Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) $581,200,000
7. Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) $546,900,000
11. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $491,314,983
25. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002) $337,600,000
27. Star Wars (1977) $337,000,000

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i've been arguing with friends since the prequels started, that the Original Trilogy are actually much better movies. they reckon my viewpoint is skewed by nostalgia, and Star Wars was *such* a big deal to me and my buddies when we were 3 or 4 or whatever that it probably is. But not enough. The prequels are qualitatively worse movies; i'd say objectively worse, but i don't really believe that. But Star Wars and Empire especially, and especially in their pre-Special Edition format, seem much more lovingly-crafted, dramatically-pleasing movies full stop.

The Phantom Menace made me sad that a generation would receive these sub-par movies as entertainment, when we got to enjoy much better movies.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Total WW grosses source http://www.boxofficemojo.com

ep 1 $924,488,301
ep 2 $649,476,740
ep 3 ????

lotr1 $871,368,364
lotr2 $926,287,400
lotr3 $1,118,887,224

xpost

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

One thing I did like about AOTC was the aliens who cloned all the stormtroopers. Very silkily civil and genuinely sinister. It's rather telling that the CGI characters were more interesting than the live ones.

\(^o^)/ - Admiral Ackbar (the old naval sea dog with the body of a lobster) is the best SW character ever.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

what's the US #1 ?? (not titanic!)

ken c (ken c), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Episode 2 is like watching thousands of gold coins pour from the screen, it just looks expensive, every scene minor or not.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes

#1 Titanic
#2 Ep 4
#3 Shrek 2

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

But Star Wars and Empire especially, and especially in their pre-Special Edition format, seem much more lovingly-crafted, dramatically-pleasing movies full stop.

i think that's an illusion, faux-romanticism even. surely the whole ethos behind the special editions is because Lucas wasn't satisfied with the work done/technology available at the time, the decision to revamp being one made out of love and a desire to improve the craft. granted the CGI often looks shit (tho not in every case) but digital remastering is like cleaning and polishing your vinyl and buying amazing speakers years after the records came out so they sound even better, which to me denotes attention and acknowledgement of love and craft. the chance to make a big new pile of cash was a major bonus of course, but Lucas was rich enough already...

teh pow! (blueski), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The amount by which Titanic is #1 is quite amazing. The top five US go ($millions) 431 - 434 - 436 - 460 - 600. Similarly the international gross goes 581 - 604 - 651 - 752 - 1234.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

it's just like the ILM 00s poll

teh pow! (blueski), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

steve, i mean specifically pre- the new CGI and the scatalogical slapstick dribbled over the Mos Eisley scene in particular. there was an innocence, a poignancy to A New Hope that seemed shattered by the frivolous window dressing Lucas dolloped on top.

i don't doubt Lucas lovingly recrafted the movies, but he's no longer an artist at the top of his game, and has obscured the brilliance of his original work with the clumsiness of his new additions.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post) It certainly is amazing, considering that titanic is ONE OF THE WORST FILMS EVER MADE.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

All-Time Worldwide Boxoffice
Rank Title Worldwide Box Office
1. Titanic (1997) $1,835,300,000
2. Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) $1,129,219,252
4. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $922,379,000
5. Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) $921,600,000
9. Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) $860,700,000
22. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002) $648,200,000

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post) It certainly is amazing, considering that titanic is ONE OF THE WORST FILMS EVER MADE.

Hahaha

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't care how shit star wars 1-3 with the knowledge that i know titanic is #1. and i now disregard boxoffice revenue as any kind of indication of quality.

ken c (ken c), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Phantom Menace made me sad that a generation would receive these sub-par movies as entertainment, when we got to enjoy much better movies."

Isn't this exactly what all the old cranks said when Star Wars came out?

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

'\(^o^)/ - Admiral Ackbar (the old naval sea dog with the body of a lobster) is the best SW character ever.'

he comes from a race called the mon calamari (i ain't making that up either)!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The only problem with the Star Wars = accidental masterpiece theory is that he also wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark

Wasn't there one year (89?) when Harrison Ford had been in five of the top ten highest grossing films ever, and had just missed out on ET and Close Encounters?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

http://users.wpi.edu/~wcoppock/acktrap.jpg

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"We have no choice, Lando Calrissian. Our cruisers simply cannot repel firepower of that magnitude."

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Ackbar should've been chomping a huge cigar all thru the movie

teh pow! (blueski), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Adrian, I've got that doujinshi.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

My mum used to be friends with the bloke who played Admiral Ackbar. When I was six this was THE GREATEST THING EVER. He also operated Jabba's annoying little mate.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, i prefer the fight from the first flick, than the second. as others have pointed out, having Darth Maul show up is one of the few times that something actually THREATENING happens in these flicks. It was the part that actually had multiple dorks in the audience involunatarily yell "oh SHIT here we go!"

i respectfully disagree dude! they totally double-teamed him, that was so cheap!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

for its flaws titanic is still 10000x better than either of the prequels

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Titanic is the worst film ever made about boats!

jel -- (jel), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I recently spent some time with my friend's younger siblings, about 9 and 16 respectively. I was curious whether the prequels had successfully catered to them, and if star wars was to them what it was to our generation(s). The kid I talked to hadn't seen ep. I, and had seen ep. 2 once and completely forgotten it except for "lots of crazy action scenes."

Lord of the Rings, however, was their complete obsession, and they were even into the extended(!) versions and everything. LOTR is teh nu-star wars for kids, it seems.

Maybe kids don't want to be treated like idiots, Lucas.

Richard K (Richard K), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Believe it or not, I fell asleep during EACH of the following movies and NEVER FUCKING BOTHERED to try to watch them again:

Star Wars: Episode 1, Star Wars 2: Attack of The Clones

Harry Potter: every movie except the first one, which almost put me to sleep as well (can't even remember how many there are now or how many I slept through).

Lord of The Rings: Almost fell asleep during the first one, fell asleep during the second one, never bothered with the third one.

ALL OF THESE MOVIES SUCKED ASS!!

(For comparison, here are some similar-type actiony movies that did NOT put me to sleep: X-Men, X2 and Hellboy.)

redfez, Friday, 24 September 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

!!!

Layna, YOU ARE TOTALLY SHITTING ME. U will be my sunshine FOREVER if you get some of that thing scanned. I... I HAVE HAMBURGERS. 4 U.

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Friday, 24 September 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

\(^o^)/ - not much of a temptation due to me being a vegetarian. ;-)

I'm sorry - a friend made these DJs, they're lovely, and I honestly don't have the heart to put them into a context where they'd be mocked. Particularly considering I'm HIGHLY mockable on the whole subject matter.

Huh, I wonder if we know any of the same people...

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Friday, 24 September 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh don't worry, uh, I'm not getting away scott-free when it comes to matters of mockability. I would certainly be amenable to keeping it out of the public sphere, I'm just massively curious.

I don't really travel in doujin or yaoi (haha blast from the past :( ) circles anymore, but anything's possible..!

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Friday, 24 September 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I only have the occasional (invisibly glowing?) toe dipped in yaoi; slash is my playground. Just saying. ;-)

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Friday, 24 September 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

what are you guys talking about? do i want to know?

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I still think Lucas is a jerkface for his anti-librarian message in Episode II. But he's a jerkface regardless...

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Saturday, 25 September 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I shoulda been in the library scene in charge of reserves. "Pay 40 credits. No exceptions. Thanks."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember when my girlfriend and I were watching Attack Of the Clones shortly after its release. About halfway through the film I turned to her and whispered "This sucks! Do you wanna bail and get something to eat?"

Then we both looked around us. We were smack-dab in the middle of the theatre row, with utterly transfixed Star Wars geeks on either side. Climbing over these people was a task we did not want to undertake, so we suffered through more bad acting and nonsensical dialogue until the "Crouching Yoda, Hidden Jedi" sequence made it clear that Lucas should just completely CGI the next batch of movies and be done with it. Sigh.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I HOPE YOU ALL CHOKE ON YOUR BILE, HATERS, AFTER LEADING BITTER, UNFULFILLED LIVES!

Why do I defend things like this? Why do I always get so riled up about people scorning these kind of films? I dunno, but there are plenty more legitimate targets than a space opera designed for kids.

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I tried watching the old 70s Star Wars once years ago. I lost interest after about half an hour, unable to keep a straight face any time Mark Hamill opened his mouth. Maybe I'd see it differently now. I watched episode 1 a month or two ago and actually enjoyed it for a popcorn flick. It was cute, the effects and animation and all were dazzling, the score was effective, and Natalie Portman is gorgeous.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

(I'll admit, though, that at the time I was watching SW more out a sense of cultural obligation than any genuine interest. I should give it another chance some time. I feel like maybe I'd appreciate That 70s Show on a deeper level if I did.)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 25 September 2004 06:16 (twenty-one years ago)

No... I feel the same exact way. Granted, I was 18 when I saw SW for hte first time - so maybe I missed the boat.

{Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 06:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I was 18 too. I feel like I may as well wait until (if?) I see the three prequels first before I attempt the originals again. Maybe if I try to look at them in some sort of prog context it would make sense.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 25 September 2004 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It's possible, but ...

{Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I watched a high def version of Episode 2 a few nights ago, and thoroughly enjoyed it. (only the second time I've seen it) Episodes 1 and 2 are the same schlock as the original episodes 4,5, and 6.

Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 25 September 2004 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i got my mum to watch a surprisingly large amt of "phantom menace" last xmas by telling her it wz a scifi remake of the bibilical story of christmas and the birth and childhood of jesus, w. liam neeson as joseph

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 September 2004 10:06 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not hard to find a "prog context" for these awful films - they really are like the movie equivalent of a '70s double concept album with one of those elaborate fold-out sleeves and the lyrics printed in small, fancy, near-unreadable type. the star wars backstory is so muddled and dull that it's unbelievable that lucas felt he had to devote ANOTHER trilogy to it. i hope kids of the future don't grow up being forced to see these films before they get to see the originals - frankly, it was a lot better when we could watch luke and ben talk about the "clone wars" without having any idea what they were.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 25 September 2004 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

It's probably worth mentioning that someone recently played me one of the ORIGINAL theatrical trailers for Star Wars: A New Hope, and I was fascinated by the way this film was promoted back then. The trailer seriously played up the swashbuckling, Saturday matinee elements of the first series, complete with campy voiceover "A boy (cut to Luke).... A girl (cut to Leia)... and a Galaxy!!! (cut to Star Destroyer ominously floating through shot) Star Wars! A million light years in the making!"

There was an almost naive freshness about it - it reminded me that there was a time before Star Wars-as-a-cultural-phenom - and it made me want to see the originals again.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 25 September 2004 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"tales from topographic oceans" is a lot better than any star wars film I've ever seen.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 25 September 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Tantrum I just watched the dvd New Hope and also the trailer you mentioned, and yes it's totally fantastic the way they played up the whole swashbuckling yarn. What a great film!

To watch Empire tonight and Return maybe as well.

also, what J.D said.

Ste (Fuzzy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

frankly, it was a lot better when we could watch luke and ben talk about the "clone wars" without having any idea what they were.

yes!!!!!!!

for all my disdain for these films i forget how incredibly fucking excited i was at one time at the prospect that they one day might be made

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

be careful what you wish for.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 September 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"tales from topographic oceans" is a lot better than any star wars film I've ever seen.
I'd rather eat a steaming plate full of Bantha Shit rather than have to hear "Tales from Topographic Oceans"
And this is from someone who thought Star Wars was a bit overrated.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 September 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Ack, I love just about every other Yes album I've heard but my reaction to Topographic Oceans was about the same as my reaction to SW. Does this mean I shouldn't bother with the original trilogy?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

(does anyone else feel like a douchebag saying 'otm'? no homo)

OTM!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 26 September 2004 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

PAH. If you were to take the VERY WORST BIT from "tales from topographic oceans", right, which is probably somewhere on side 3, and loop it 1000000 times, it would still be an experience preferable to watching 10s of jar jar binks, a CGI creation so FUKCING VILE, that his poisonous prescence somehow manages to go back in time and soil the original trilogy. Ha Ha come on now, get out of that one, you can't, eh? eh?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

does anyone else feel like a douchebag saying 'otm'?

When it's gotta be said, it's gotta be said. That's all there is to it.

Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i told mum that jah jah wz judas iscariot

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

jar jar binks got all fucked up anyway in episode 2, they made him grant autonomy over the federation to that chairman guy, which will prove to be a bad thing in ep3.

Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean jar jar - i got muddled by his shining rasta righteous i think

i have a model bust of him i got in the sainsburys on mile end road: on the box it said "jar jar binks sticky tongue figurine" so i had no option but to shell out - however the sticky tongue has since fallen into several gooey bits sadly and he is effectively tongueless

pashmina in the spirit of curious enquiry i am listening to "the best of colosseum" while i clean my kitchen floor - where wd you rank this experience?

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

ha ha er.

and the lord did look upon his 13th disciple. a fantastically irritiating creature whose prescence had driven a great many of his followers to despair. and he spake. get thee hence you titanically annoying fool i mean how the fukc is my dad's book supposed to teach people how to live their lives in any way with you stinking up its pages. and the lord did verily gain r00t access to the creature's sgi workstation. using t3h l33t h4x0r skillz that he did possess. and the creature did dissolve in a great cloud of stinking silicone smoke. and upon the screen of the sgi workstation did appear these words. tihz b0x0r = pwnz0r3d by teh n4z4r3n3 kru ph34r us. and great was the rejoicing across all of galilee.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

ten months pass...
giving first aid to the already disheveled hair projection

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 6 August 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

But the last one was actually really good!

dog latin (dog latin), Saturday, 6 August 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

No it wasn't.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 6 August 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

http://img77.imageshack.us.nyud.net:8090/img77/7367/swb251lt.jpg

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 6 August 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

so I netflixed these because I'm on a space opera kick and really they are bogglingly awful, like memory-wiping traumatic awful. I saw 2 & 3 in the theater and don't remember them being as bad as they are.

note 1: all the dvd commentary - all of it - is either george lucas mumbling and sounding very deranged or some other guys talking about how they did all the special effects. That's it. There is no mention of the acting or storyline except Ben Burtt pointing out that the vast majority of the dialogue was redubbed bcz the sets would have wooden floors and that didn't sound right with people walking around and etc.

1a - to the extent there is mention of any narrative it comes in the form of lucas saying stuff like "uh uh wanted to mmm show the jedi being invincible, the uh droids don't stand a chance, uh um um this is an idea, that the droids are mm too slow, that a droid army isn't a very good er fighting force, that g...gets explored more later, um uh er especially um in the er second film"

note 2: I'm completely serious that lucas sounds like a dissociative madman of film on the commentary tracks. at one point very early on he says that he treated all of these like he was making silent films - the dialogue, sound effects and music were all just the score to accompany the pictures. Shortly thereafter he states that the line "I have a bad feeling about this" is the equivalent of a theme.

note 3: for all the ludicrous attention to detail that was paid in stringing together all these lovely set pieces you think there may have been one person on the payroll who could have pointed out that Anakin Christiansen is hauling nothing more or less than charcoal SAMSONITE LUGGAGE as he accompanies harvard's hottest jewess on their lakeside holiday.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 05:54 (eighteen years ago)

the second one wasn't so bad. the third one might be better.

sorry, that's as fervent as i can get.

-- stevie (stevie), Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:29 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

i agree

-- teh pow! (blueski), Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:30 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

How bold.

-- Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:30 PM

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 7 October 2007 06:02 (eighteen years ago)

harvard's hottest jewess

^^^^^^^

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 7 October 2007 06:04 (eighteen years ago)

sundar's reference to "the old 70s star wars" is, in its way, one of the more unsettling things ever posted on ilx.

J.D., Sunday, 7 October 2007 06:17 (eighteen years ago)

i still kinda like the third one. it's not "good" though.

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 07:03 (eighteen years ago)

and to be honest, some of the action scenes and effects in these are fun.

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 07:05 (eighteen years ago)

each one is extraordinarily insipid in its own way. the second and third ones aren't even fit to wear the disclaimer of children's movies.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 07:16 (eighteen years ago)

you should probably feel ashamed as a filmmaker and a storyteller when a video game of your movies where everything is made of LEGO and all plot points are performed in pantomime by toys is regarded as infinity times better than the source material you spent twenty years and hundreds of millions of dollars making

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 07:23 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha true

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 07:46 (eighteen years ago)

some of the action scenes and effects in these are fun.

totally

the second and third ones aren't even fit to wear the disclaimer of children's movies.

you think these are MORE insipid than the first one?

Anakin lying by the lava with only one limb left is maybe the darkest shit i've seen in a movie rated under 15 - maybe something in LOTR compares. the whole set up to that scene is pretty ill-conceived tho.

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

you should probably feel ashamed as a filmmaker and a storyteller when a video game of your movies where everything is made of LEGO and all plot points are performed in pantomime by toys is regarded as infinity times better than the source material you spent twenty years and hundreds of millions of dollars making

to be fair there is no film out there that wouldn't be bettered by a cute, jokey Lego-based video game version

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 12:59 (eighteen years ago)

Apocalypse Now would be a hoot.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 October 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

the White Stripes should try this trick.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 7 October 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

Legodfather

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

Legonds of the Fall

accentmonkey, Sunday, 7 October 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

Legoodfellas too just for the "construction" lol

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

Lego My Dinner with Andre possibly not a winner.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 7 October 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

I got it -- Blue by Derek Jarman.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 October 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

LEGO JETÉE THE VIDEO GAME

God I wish I had photoshop
and some legos
and a camera

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

these are all complete shit and totally indefensible, some of the worst movies ever made. the actions scenes aren't so much fun as expensive; there's lots of shit going on but so poorly directed.

s1ocki, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

all the star wars movies are crap, the prequels slightly less so due to better production design

, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

well I guess that counts as a defense

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

It's kind of amazing in hindsight that Orlando Bloom isn't in these

da croupier, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:35 (eighteen years ago)

His absence isn't really a defense because Hayden Christiansen is arguably worse.

da croupier, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:35 (eighteen years ago)

2 and a half years on from Revenge Of The Sith, studios do not seem interested in generating alternative space operas or epics preferring to focus on fantasy epics set on Earth (bankable super heroes, POTC, Beowulf).

you would think that commercial success of the prequels would not deter studios from wanting to set up something similar if not actually better. you would also think that the dissatisfaction and distaste from many people who grew up with the originals would compel them to try and write new stories, some for kids (Star Wars-like), some for adults (Dune-like) and some for both (POTC-like). the demand for and popularity of sci-fi fantasy is still huge, maybe more than ever, so why is this not happening?

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

Because they're all too busy watching Battlestar Galactica torrents.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

a nu-BSG-esque movie but with actual monsters/aliens would be awesome

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

all the star wars movies are crap, the prequels slightly less so due to better production design

-- ☪, Sunday, October 7, 2007 6:07 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

agree with the first bit.

blueski, the prequels weren't genuinely successful in their own right, it was a franchise roll-over.

that said i thing james cameron's next film is a space fantasy thing.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

i guess studios dont really think star wars set any sort of precedent as the massive fanbase and anticipation practically guaranteed they'd make tons and tons of cash. and they're probably right. their success doesn't really prove anything.

s1ocki, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

(xp)

s1ocki, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

less high school movies, more space movies.

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

more high school in space movies!! like starship troopers!!

s1ocki, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

Showgirls crossed with Blade Runner!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

less Paul Anderson space movies, more Paul Thomas Anderson and Wes Anderson space movies

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

no, please

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

more anderson cooper space news broadcasts.

s1ocki, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

less pamela anderson myspace accounts.

s1ocki, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

starship troopers lost money. dune lost money. star wars is notable as being like the only movie ever to profit at the box office while being not set predominantly on earth.

space opera type stuff is still a giant risk for the studios; lucas OTOH was basically taking no risk at all with the prequels as pointed out above. I mean people sat there and watched nine hours of CG manure dribbling out of the projector because it was a cultural event.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

I would watch a wes anderson sci-fi film if he could find a delaurentiis crazy enough to give him the money

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

I mean clearly owen wilson is suicidal because he's almost 40 and he's never been on the set of a galactic frigate

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

Brody could just wear that shiny suit of his and pretend he's a 22nd-century sports agent.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

too bad "daddy issues in space" has been done already

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

jesus you even put George Clooney out in space and you just bleed cash all over the place

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

space is the place if you've got about thirty million dollars that you hate

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

i bet 'sunshine' made money. didn't cost much.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

what we need is a space movie that will revive interest in the genre so they can finally make Pluto Nash 2

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

http://history.sandiego.edu/GEN/recording/images2/PDRM1996b.jpg

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

that movie is probably worse than all the prequels combined

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

i think it's more that nobody has made an actually good space movie rather than that original sci-fi fantasies will always lose money. i like to think so anyway, fuck this ridiculous civilisation otherwise.

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

i think it's more that nobody has made an actually good space movie

in the last 20 years, i mean

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:24 (eighteen years ago)

im trying hard to think of any (recent-ish) non-earth movies that were hits. tom has a good point. star trek movies maybe? and even those were piggyback franchise movies.

s1ocki, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

troopers is good blueski.

s1ocki, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

sunshine didn't cover costs either:

Budget
£26,000,000 (estimated)
$50,000,000 (estimated)

Gross
$3,654,586 (USA) (23 September 2007) (sub-total)
$27,782,393 (Non-USA) (16 July 2007) (sub-total)

thumbs down

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

sci-fi is just so much better suited to the small screen, businesswise, ask joss whedon or bbc wales

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

in summary, sci-fi fans tend to not like leaving the house

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

dvd sales cover the expenses of most big cgi-fests, but the studios don't wan't to let the auditors to know that

gershy, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

i spell like an alien

gershy, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

troopers is good blueski.

I like it too but there can be better surely, plus I'm thinking more of the sort of film that could excite and inspire under 12s (i suppose a film like ST would do this nowadays ha) but still keep adults interested.

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

in summary, sci-fi fans tend to not like leaving the house

THERE'S your OTM.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

I'm thinking more of the sort of film that could excite and inspire under 12s (i suppose a film like ST would do this nowadays ha) but still keep adults interested

Who needs that when they have Halo 3?

(I'm not kidding, really.)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

Alien was a hit SF movie not set on Earth at all

but

'Sir' Ridley sex SF movies as dead as the western

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

fuck i am so bad at this

go here

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article2351086.ece

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

the point re video games is good, but they still don't compare visually and you can still do more story-wise in film

Pixar will make a space film but it won't do as well as their previous hits because the formula is tired - but everyone will blame it on the setting.

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

The flashy effects of recent block-busters, such as The Matrix, Independence Day and The War of the Worlds, may sell tickets, but Sir Ridley believes that none can beat Stanley Kubrick’s 1968 sci-fi epic 2001: A Space Odyssey.

lol a knight was high

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

I'm still up for a Darkstar 're-imagining' with better looks and more jokes

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:38 (eighteen years ago)

too bad Ridley's only worthwhile films were sci-fi!

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

other good space movie: GALAXY QUEST

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

and there again the matrix, id4 and WotW are all on earth with distinctly next-week futurism

sci-fi just needs to get better at speculating cool ideas instead of imitating life as we know it already. I would suggest mining some other Hugo winners for source material instead of pot-virgin epistemological PK Dickwaving but nobody listens to me.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

'Sir' Ridley sex SF movies as dead as the western

Please tell me this was not a misquote.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

what IS reality?

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/w/images/wing-commander-poster-0.jpg

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

sci-fi just needs to get better at speculating cool ideas instead of imitating life as we know it already.

True but cloning still freaks people out. Then again now that we're almost there it's further proof that the future is fact boring, with the same assholes as ever.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

lol in the real version of star wars palpatine already has a terrible track record, is under investigation for all sorts of junk, may have done drugs, was certainly an alcoholic at some point, and gets elected to replace terence stamp anyway

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

in space the villains don't make you feel as dumb

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

there needs to be a flick about a robot who gets elected governor of California

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

I would so totally watch a Bill Clinton biopic if Terence Stamp were cast.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

Serenity made a little bit of money - $40mn budget, $53mn worldwide box office + DVD sales

milo z, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

and Sarah Douglas as Paula Jones.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

$63mn worldwide

milo z, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

serenity/whedon fans are CREPEY

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

my best friend is one of them hahaha

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

(j/k he's a good guy)

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

Are the people in the Star Wars movies humans?

gershy, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

i think we have established they are actors, not humans

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 18:58 (eighteen years ago)

tuomas is an actor, that much we know

gershy, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

too bad Ridley's only worthwhile films were sci-fi!

i like his war films better. esp if you count 'the duellists' as war film.

, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

argh i forgot about g.i. jane, i thought that was the other scott

, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

srsly I love the director's cut of KOH

El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

white squall is a war movie

gershy, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

srsly I love the director's cut of KOH

-- El Tomboto, Sunday, October 7, 2007 7:08 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i might actually want to see that. the theatrical version was all right i guess.

gladiator was total bullshit, though.

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

except for when Oliver Reed was on screen

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

Fifth Element good too (except for when Tricky was on screen) as partial space movie

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)

5th element sucked dide

s1ocki, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

haha i mean dude.

s1ocki, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

couldn't decide between dick and dude?

milo z, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

i didn't know there was even a choice in that equation

latebloomer, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:27 (eighteen years ago)

S1ocki, you missed the love thread on that movie on here a couple of months back. Everyone kept saying "MULTIPASS."

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

i wasn't sure about Fifth Element at first but found less wrong with it the second and third viewing. looking back at last ten years i just appreciate the ambitiousness and attempt to do something a little different in that genre.

00s fixation on remakes has to wind down for art's sake. big action space movies needn't be more expensive than Master And Commander, The Last Samurai and such big budget mediocrity now - space setting seems to equal less human interest to too many people tho.

blueski, Sunday, 7 October 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

master and commander is a great movie.

s1ocki, Sunday, 7 October 2007 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

not that i wouldn't want to see a space master and commander. and i do wish they would make more big sci-fi movies for sure.

s1ocki, Sunday, 7 October 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_%28film%29

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 7 October 2007 20:48 (eighteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clone_troopers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_ranged_weapons

Desperate shit, man. These films are the pits.

Pashmina, Monday, 8 October 2007 10:14 (eighteen years ago)

Fifth Element good too (except for when Tricky was on screen) as partial space movie

Fifth Element is a good film and good entertainment, but I was kinda disappointed with it, because I finally thought there'd be a movie that'd manage to capture some of the sense of wonder of Valérian and Laureline, what with it being directed by a French comic fan, and Mézières himself involved in the design work. (If you believe the rumours, Star Wars too was influenced by Valérian and Laureline.) But in the end it was more of a Bruce Willis action film in a sci-fi setting than a proper space opera, and Mézières's influence could only be seen in the fact that the different aliens looked cooler and more imaginative than in your standard sci-fi flicks.

Tuomas, Monday, 8 October 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

SF movies as dead as the western

see this would be good news because the western came back in 2007 as oscar bait

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:06 (eighteen years ago)

I enjoy the Star Wars prequels why because they look intersting

HI DERE, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

i remember thinking, way back when the first prequel came out, that there actually was an interesting kernel of an idea at the heart of it. a 'comment on fascism vs democracy' even!

like: the galactic order is a mess, complicated and corrupt, with hundreds of different aliens, and the republican government is divided and sluggish. the whole setup depends on a small crew of idealist and super-powerful archaic knights, respected by all, called upon more and more for their diplomatic abilities internally than actually doing any fighting.

and then one of these guys, the youngest and maybe most talented of them all, gets sick of all the gridlock and the inability of the civilian government to deal with galaxy-wide collapse. he falls in with and then leads a cadre of 'bad knights' (widely feared and shunned for being hostile to the liberal order) in a putsch, promising to clean things up and get the space-trains running on time. bonapartism in space, basically. and then years later his estranged revolutionary son comes along...

i mean, that sounds like a great movie to me. shame how it turned out.

gff, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

yeah the politics of it could make for some pretty interesting high-concept shit and space opera could still have been an effective milieu. unfortunately lucas' need to revert to the mono-myth structure robs it of all depth, plus, nobody actually cares about darth vader, same as they never cared about luke. Ep III is the most tolerable of these because it's told largely from obi-wan's perspective, the only sympathetic (read: not a whining or incomprehensible moron) character in this mess.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:02 (eighteen years ago)

"Episode I: The Crisis of Galactic Democracy" by George Lucas from a script by Carl Schmitt

max, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

i would watch that shit

max, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

Mace Windu was ok too!

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

guys we're forgetting what matters here

http://www.tvguide.com/movies/dbpix/images/42897a.jpg

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

every single frame of I-III is fucking horrible on some level

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a61/npope3001/ned.gif

chaki, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

that matters a lot but it does not last nearly long enough to excuse even having to FFWD through all the other nonsense in that one. jesus all that CGI pastoral romance bullshit made me want to eat my own brain

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

But riding around on space hamsters, Tombot.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

i've only seen episode I

gff, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

i still think the "nooooo!" in ep. 3 was one of the seven wonders of camp, and it had a couple of fleeting moments dipped in genuine star wars magic. casting that twerp as anakin in the first place tied their hands, I think it had the potential to be a just-below-average prequel(that is to say, an unqualified triumph compared to the first two) with some more gravitas from the lead.

tremendoid, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 23:36 (eighteen years ago)

I think Ian McDiarmid's vivid camp is the only thing I'll remember from those movies; his Palpatine is the only thing that suggests the terror and ridiculousness of Lucas' space-opera conceit.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

i seem to remember an unveiling of his massive screaming EVIL-IZED head as he's fighting mace windu that had people rolling in the aisles at the screening. i mean, think about it, ep. 3 was the first time in 5+ hours of the saga where you could even begin to make your own fun. it's a crime is what it is.

tremendoid, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno, you can kinda make some of your own fun with certain contents of the still hoos posted up there

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 00:30 (eighteen years ago)

</ slashdot mod-bait>

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 00:30 (eighteen years ago)

natalie portman bare midriff is not even 1/10 princess leia in metal bikini

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 03:41 (eighteen years ago)

So the digital editing was actually for Natalie Portman's boobs? Compare that pic to this:

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/natalie-portman/pictures/natalie-portman-picture-6.jpg

Or is she wearing some hyperspace push-up bra there?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 10:25 (eighteen years ago)

i'd give her a hyperspace push up bra

ken c, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

sorry should have been a hyphen between up and bra.

ken c, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

I don't get it, a "hyperspace push up-bra" ?

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

you know, hyperspace = faster-than-light = FTL = fruit-of-the-loom

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

he was referring to the hyphen placement.

s1ocki, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

Since when are breasts static, is what I want to know.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not saying they wax and wane with the cycles of the moon (although for some women they do) but it is not at all unbelievable or out of the ordinary for a woman's breasts to be a different sizes over the span of several years. It's not that hard! (yet) (sorry)

HI DERE, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

Are the bosoms in Star Wars funbags?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

also I just invented the word "tyra-riffic"

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

the robots are neat and make for great toys! for real, my son and I have a lot more fun playing star wars than watching it. The star wars legos just rule...my wife and I just put together the Jabba's sail barge and it's awesome.

pj, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

you son of a bitch

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

just put together the Jabba's sail barge

want

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

see I just express my envy with expletives

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

I am so glad my child will not be subjected to this shit - by the time she's old enough Star Wars' will be sooooooo uncool

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

Dream on, dude.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

oh god, shakey mo daddier

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

guys if you all pooled together and bought me a star wars lego set for my birthday i wouldnt be mad cause it was a few days late

max, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

The little lego Leia is, of course chained by the neck for Jabba's *ahem* enjoyment.

pj, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

0_o

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

you really have to give it up for macgregor's hamtronics too though. I mean he says, out loud, "I saw a security hologram... of him... killing... younglings" and then makes like he just threw up a little bit in his mouth, with the urp-guard hand motion to the lips and everything. You know nobody was paying a damn bit of attention to the acting after they let him get away with that.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 11 October 2007 02:58 (eighteen years ago)

lol younglings!

s1ocki, Thursday, 11 October 2007 05:58 (eighteen years ago)

It was having to say younglings that made him throw up in mouth. Lucas is v smart.

blueski, Thursday, 11 October 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

nine years pass...

http://i.imgur.com/sagRoVb.jpg

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:07 (eight years ago)

I am so glad my child will not be subjected to this shit - by the time she's old enough Star Wars' will be sooooooo uncool

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:07 PM

Dream on, dude.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:11 PM

hehe, how does it get uncooler from here?

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:49 (eight years ago)

You start liking it?

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:54 (eight years ago)

been there! '77-83

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:57 (eight years ago)

daughter is still not interested in Star Wars for those keeping track

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:36 (eight years ago)


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