Rob Da Bank takes John Peel's old slot

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beanz (beanz), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Rob da bank? Can't he use his real name? Like John Peel obviously...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

RDB is an ESM contributor! Awesome!

suzy (suzy), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

He also runs the

Sunday Best label
http://www.sundaybest.net/home.php

Who signed the ace: Grand National
http://www.grand-national.net/

and organzied the Bestival Festival that took place on the Isle of Wight in September
http://www.sundaybest.net/site/bestival/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

a surprisingly un-indie/punk choice?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

this was the Bestival full line up: [to place into context his music interests]

FRIDAY 10TH SEPTEMBER

MAIN STAGE
The Bees, Lee Scratch Perry & The Mad Professor, Dub Pistols, RSL, Barry Peters Halifax Hospital Radio Live, Drew, Fake Bush, Subgiant, Band Competition winners, Raff Daddy

BIG TOP
VJ Mix & Mixmaster Morris, Mr Scruff, Diplo, Neneh Cherry, Pablo & Butch, Cassidy Sound System, Martin Morales, Balthazar

COCOMO BOLLYWOOD COCKTAIL BAR
Ashley Beedle (Blue Eyed Soul Set), Boris Horel & Greg Sonata (Foreign Muck), Lauren Laverne, Graeme Fisher & Rev Milo Speedwagon, Stick It On (Open Dex), Radio Slave, Giddy & Sombrero Sound System


SATURDAY 11TH SEPTEMBER

MAIN STAGE
Basement Jaxx, Laid Back, Grand National, Fatboy Slim, Ceux Qui Marchent, Debout, Quantic Soul Orchestra, Magnet, Roddy Frame, Mocky, Hot Chip

BIG TOP
VJ & Tom Middleton, Lottie, DJ Skitz & Rodney P, Stereo MCs, Different Strokes, John Peel, Banzai Republic, Max Sedgley, Mikal Telle

COCOMO BOLLYWOOD COCKTAIL BAR
Tayo's Tracksuit Party, Ross Allen, Justin Robertson, Gilles Peterson, DJ Yoda, Annie Nightingale, Colin & Luke Present Cosmic Soul, Zoe Ball, Chris Coco


SUNDAY 12TH SEPTEMBER

MAIN STAGE
Zero 7, Mylo, The Cuban Brothers, A Man Called Adam, Ori Jah Nal, Willis, Boomclick, Chas 'n' Dave, Kevin Mark Trail

BIG TOP
VJ Eclectic Method, Glint Sound System, Glimmer Twins, Annie, Frank Tope, Phil Mison, Rob Luis, Giddy

COCOMO BOLLYWOOD COCKTAIL BAR
Rob da Bank & Lazyboy, Bent, Giles Smith (secretsundaze), James Priestly (secretsundaze), Vinyl Tap (Sam Pow & Reetu), Bobby & Nihal, Fiona Maguire, Paul Armfield and the Four Good Reasons (live), Nick Luscombe

The following artists and DJs will be appearing in the TEMPLE COCKTAIL BAR over the course of the weekend:
Pete Lawrence, Ali B, Kid Carpet, David Laub, Different Drummer Sound System, Eddy Temple Morris, Graeme Fisher, Johnny Dirtbox, Johnno Presents Bugged Out Chilled Out, Pathaan, Paul Arnold, Stoppa, Wildcat Will, Hint & JO 90, Rob Wood, Lol Hammond, Rob Savage & The Breakin' Even Collective, Bill Brewster, Heidi (Phonica), Solid State Revival and Cagedbaby

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

CAN THIS MONTH POSSIBLY GET ANY FUCKING WORSE??????????????????

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 8 November 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, most of that line up reads like the circle of hell reserved for me. (bar obvious exceptions).

Ed (dali), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

on Sunday Best website forum Rob da Bank commented

...nope, its still THE PEEL SHOW...so ill be mixing it up in a suitable style using listeners requests for old and new gear, and i have stacks of records john was planning on playing so its definitely not blue room (although all the music will be great!)

im taking a month off the blue room (good ole chris coco will be doing 2 shows a week til then ) the restarting my saturday morning show at beginning of december

He will aided by John Peel Production: Louise and Hermeet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/index.shtml

Rob Da Bank will be presenting the show up till the end of the year - to get in touch you can e-mail RobDaBank@bbc.co.uk

From Tuesday 9th November all the planned sessions will remain in place. Rob Da Bank will be picking the rest of the tracks, aided and abetted by the Peel team. It'll be a broad selection of music in the spirit of the Peel show... technorockindiehardcoreglitchgabbacountry d&br&belectrodeathmetalgrime...

Above all, Keeping It Peel...

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you're all missing something:


MAIN STAGE
Zero 7, Mylo, The Cuban Brothers, A Man Called Adam, Ori Jah Nal, Willis, Boomclick, CHAS 'N' DAVE, Kevin Mark Trail

Bumfluff, Monday, 8 November 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

URL: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/index.shtml

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post)

Bumfluff, Monday, 8 November 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

More background info on Rob da Bank
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/dance/blueroom/presenter_bank.shtml

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Peel had quirks: Status Quo so Rob da Bank has Chas n Dave

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Look:

John Peel is dead.

The Peel Show is dead.

I wish it were not. Whoever takes it on, in an ideal world, would play what John peel would have, and then over time, change it to make it different, as it would have anyway.

If John Peel had a mission statement for his show, then the new person should know about it, and make changes over time. That would be nice.

A session from Basement Jaxx would make everyone sad. Whether or not you like BJ.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Mr "Da Bank"'s sleevenote to the My House In Montmartre:

Come on in and make yourself comfortable … but don’t sit down, you’ll be dancing in a moment. Towering high above Paris, romantic, cool, full of little surprises around each street corner, Montmartre is where the music booms out over the city. It’s not quite as hip as London, as dope as Amsterdam, quite so cosmopolitan as New York but sacre bleu (if you’ll pardon my French), the music sounds better in Paris.

Before we even open our ears and let the beats pour in, just look at the players… Cassius, Daft Punk, Air and Dimitri From Paris sound like labels we’ve worn or listened to for years, part of house music history. French music has indeed broadened its church since the days of Vanessa Paradis and the crusty folk of Les Negresses Vertes. When Daft Punk go to Miami they’re treated like gods, Roger Sanchez trembles with anticipation at shaking their golden hands and DJ Sneak curtsies in front of Dimitri from Paris as if he were the Queen.

If the USA invented house music, the British arrived to sell the pills in the corner and give birth to acid house, while the Italians chipped in with a piano and softened it up. But it took the French to snap the lightstick and make it funky again.

Listen to this CD and you hear not only synthesized music but the pop sensibilities that made us all like music in the first place. There’s no posturing or clever clever nuance here - it’s glorious house music for dancing to, singing along to and yes, THAT thing too if you fancy! Whether you’re smoking a spliff in a 2CV in the Parisian suburbs, shaving your bikini line in Bombay or jogging in Japan you’ll recognize this - cos it’s the real deal.

I don't think I want John Peel's replacement to be a ponytailed open-mouthed cretin who has a thing against "posturing" and "clever clever nuance."

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 8 November 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

omg. imagine that coming for you under your bed covers at night. omg wtf. just look at him.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40501000/jpg/_40501697_rob_da_bank203_bbc.jpg

doomie x, Monday, 8 November 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

'I PREACH A LOVE OF CALUM TOLERANCE AND LEMON JELLY'


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doomie x, Monday, 8 November 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Rob's previously been playing the "big tunes" sets, which is a familiar concept to anyone who has played a certain type of music which they like to a certain crowd at a certain time - with this Peel takeover I expect he will widen the type of music he plays - it would be quite preposterous if he bashed out a nonstopdanceathon set in the Peel slot and I very much doubt he'd last 2 minutes if he did.

He does look like a Goldie Lookin' Cretin tho.

Shabazz (hello chickens), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

because John Peel was a pin-up?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

'FOUR MORE YEARS'


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doomie x, Monday, 8 November 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

a lot of snobbishness on this thread, maybe even judgementalism

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, J.Peel used to talk some rubbish back in his perfumed Garden days, so don't hold it against him.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It would be cool if there was actually NO perspective in the photo and his hands are just a weird birth defect AND ACTUALLY LIKE THAT...

'I'LL BRING THE BLING'

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doomie x, Monday, 8 November 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

judge

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Putting Chas n Dave on the bill is only a quirk in the sense that
he at least likes one good band (there is no sarcasm in this post).

Bumfluff, Monday, 8 November 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Ro da Bank was born in 1973 who is now at a similar age of John Peel in 1970. What did John Peel look like in 1970? a long haired psychedelic hippy?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, this is ridiculous. How about people actually, like, listen to the show before rushing to condemn.

Its an impossible job really. If you play exactly what Peel would have played you get accused of skulking in his shadow with half the charm. If you do something different, or more representative of what you want to play, you'll enrage the Peel fans.

I fail to see quite how RDB differs from Mary Ann Hobbs in terms of playlist, mind.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

as i said over on ilm RDB strikes me as a charisma-free zone based on the three shows i've heard so far but it's nice that the production team has a hand in choosing the records. and i'm sure us avid listeners will pipe up with suggestions (someone suggested 'Sharp As A Needle' on thursday which is spot on)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Not just a hippy, a *psychedelic* hippy no less

Bumfluff, Monday, 8 November 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

They obviously will never be able to replace John Peel, so they are doing something in the meantime until they can decide what they can do. They are never going to please everybody. Most ppl on ILX stated that they didn't even listen to the John Peel show anymore anyway. I agree with Mark Radcliffe who said "It will be more of a tribute to him not to try to replace his show with something similar."

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I would quite like it if he played a set comprised of nothing but Italian house or whatever. I suspect Peel would appreciate the lack of reverence.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm prepared to reserve judgement. Although that set list above sounds like my flatmate's cd collection, which I'm tempted to take down to a fucking jumble sale. If she tries to get me to listen to Mr Fucking Scruff one more time the police will be called, one way or another.

Rob Da Bank's already been doing some shows in the JP slot last week, apparently, though I didn't hear any of them. Hands up who did?

beanz (beanz), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

uh, xpost

beanz (beanz), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

An indicative example of a recent Rob da Bank Blue Room shows some diversity:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/dance/blueroom/the_blue_room_archive.shtml?20041009

Also as RDB mentions the 11-1 slot will mean more scope for diversity.

I am prepared to give him a chance, it's for initially til the end of 2004, there should be enough scope for an intersting broad selection of music in the spirit of Peel.

shows made up of

+ listener input
+ all the recent music sent to Peel from record labels
+ input from Production team who are enthusiastic music listeners
+ plus new music coming in all the time from independent labels

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

without the aid of pluggers, right?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

> I agree with Mark Radcliffe who said "It will be more of a tribute to him not to try to replace his show with something similar."

but we need a show like his that'll still play all those bands that don't belong anywhere else. spent two hours this morning doing a track listing for his show from march 24th and it was full of stunning little records that i've never heard anywhere else. and every show was like this (apart from 26th august!)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"How about people actually, like, listen to the show"

dude if its anyuthing like the blue room, then i rpesume it will be a fucking abomination. when i hear his stupid vacous "crazy" chatter over shitty downtempo rubbish he plays then i just want to throttle him. some dude put it on at work every morning...FFS! he played a norah jones remix every fucking day
i fucking hate him
every minute he goes on about how all the tunes are so eclectic and weird, "ooh i played some squarepusher, that was noisy!" in his inoffensive dulcet tones
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrghhhhh this is a dark dark day for radio 1. seriously, if you havent heard him on the radio before, you REALLY dont know how depressing this news is.

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree actually (and at least one night a week there should be a Classic Peel Sessions show for an hour or two) but Radio 1 figureheads clearly never would.

xpost

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't he a big fan of Doomie faves The Earlies?

I'd agree with Matt DC in that he should be given a chance., The blue room strike me as a very function driven programme, when he's on late night I'd imagine he'd stretch out a bit.

The one time I heard the blue room he played a lovely tweepop version of 'Sweet child of mine', if he digs taht out again I'll be happy for a week or two.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Billy Jenkins at least sounded like John Peel, off Resonance FM...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Peel got send music/info by pluggers via his production team/ mail. Peel however had no direct contact with pluggers, i.e regular visits or phone contacts.

PR Week
http://www.prweek.com/thisweek/index.cfm?ID=226943&site=1

Richard Cann on the legacy of John Peel, who refused to let agents 'plug' new acts at him.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

that's what I meant.

shows made up of

+ listener input
+ all the recent music sent to Peel from record labels
+ input from Production team who are enthusiastic music listeners
+ plus new music coming in all the time from independent labels

-- DJ Martian (altmartinu...) (webmail), November 8th, 2004. (link)


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without the aid of pluggers, right?
-- mark grout (mark.grou...) (webmail), November 8th, 2004. (link)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Will Mr da Bank play the Sundays? I hope so. I agree with seeing how it goes and remembering that it's a temporary measure. Actually - how many people who hadn't listened to Peel for years will listen to Mr da Bank's show?

Also, John Kennedy for permanent Peel slot kthxbye.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, i know - i would expect that RDB is already well networked into the plugger circuit from his Blue Room show.

PR creates awareness, a good DJ should be in a position to evaluate the information/ music - however there is always the scope for bias towards a label/ artist/ pr agent etc

Many independent labels use plugger/ promotions companies to create awareness for their artists.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Many? more like virtually all.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

RDB was already filling in for Peel while he was on holiday. Radio 1 only say he will be replacing him "for the forseeable future". Perhaps they cannot forsee very far just now.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

RDB mentioned last week it's initially till the end of December.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

In the interim BBC/ Radio 1 didn't have many options regarding the situation:

They had to keep the diverse/ experimental/ freeplay slot going not to disrespect the legacy of Peel and risk having a public/ media backlash.

Who else could they turn to?

Mary Ann Hobbs recently cut back her radio 1 slots [no longer does rock show] to concentrate on other media interests.
Lammo is too tied up with trad songs rock and has been shunted partly over to 6 Music.

Therefore step forward RDB who already had agreed to be a guest presenter for John Peel prior to his vaction.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, that's another six hours of radio I can avoid each week.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Peel's show was a total anomaly on Radio 1 and always was. He seemed to kinda slip through the cracks by accident and built up such a loyal listenership they realised it was too late to get rid of him. This probably happened over 30 years ago.

Now he's gone forever and the whole ethos behind his show will disappear from the schedules. It's demographics and niche-marketing all the way from here, I fear.

Venga, Monday, 8 November 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i think they should just reschedule wholesale and wipe out any trace of the 'john peel slot'. nothing is going to replace it, and any sort of happy medium is really to me, not worthwhile. putting rob da bank on a show that is "a bit like peel, but not just his tunes, other stuff too, but real eclectic and all over the place!!!!! yeah!!!!!", is basically moving the blue room to a more popular timeslot. prob. with added indie.

ditch the whole idea of filling the show, and put wes and kash ex-TOTP in a joint show in that time slot. this is what the controller wants to do, why not just destroy radio 1 now? it serves no useful purpose now.

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Will Radio 1 try and tempt John Kennedy away from Xfm?

John Kennedy - biography
http://www.xfm.co.uk/article.asp?id=5192

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 8 November 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Just occurred to me:

Only two Radio 1 DJs ever with assumed names that have 'outlaw' associations.

John Peel.
Rob Da Bank.

It seems to continue the flow...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

> John Kennedy - biography

had a look at his show details the other day after his name came up for the second time and, well, i don't know whether it was because i was reading the xfm website but his show looked very white-bread indie. like the last thing of lamacq's i had the misfortune to hear.

radio 1, *BBC* radio 1, is exactly the place where the small bands should get a chance. commercial radio, well, the clue is in the name.

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

it's started

now playing a fantastic track roxxy from Brooks from this album:
BROOKS - Red Tape
http://www.juno.co.uk/IP/IF157679-02.htm

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

now playing an ace synthy track that sounds like a "blondie" for 2004

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

who is listening?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I am, and I think he's doing a good job as far as track selection goes. Not sure about his presenting skills - voice is a bit lacking, and he comes across as being a bit nervous and eager to please.

RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course, I say that, and then he goes and plays a Venetian Snares record.

RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

you all don't know how lucky you are, this talk of "abandon radio one" etc, in Ireland there is one semi credible electronic show a week on all radio stations, and about 4 or 5 VERY VERY limited scope indie shows. and the pop selections of the stations are far more limited too.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Keith Cameron

Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/festive_fifty_2004.shtml

posted largely because of the picture which must've been taken earlier this year. (get Gedge in to do the FF, he'd be great)

in two minds about RDB as he keeps being enthusiastic about things he's not familiar with but that he's found in peel's box and that peel had marked for playing (enthusiasm is good). unfortunately one of these things was the ramones. he's meant to be taking over from peel and isn't familiar with the ramones?

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think that matters.

When Peel started, there was only about ten yearse of pop music he was probably expected to be familiar with. To expect his replacement to now know 50 years or whatever is wrong, I think.

Not that I really think of Rob Da Bank as his replacement.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

(and I'm guessing that Peel's familiarity with pre-rock n roll music came to him largely long after the start of his DJing career)

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Rubbish. If someone is engaged as a highly-paid specialist radio DJ then I expect them, as a licence payer whose money subsidises said high salary, to have comprehensive knowledge and expertise about the music they're playing, and above all to know what they're talking about.

The BBC seems to have no problem employing people like Gambaccini, Radcliffe and Maconie, who do know their stuff, on Radio 2, so is Radio 1 supposed to be for stupid people only then?

Also, John Peel was 16 years old when rock 'n' roll happened, so why should he not be familiar with pre-rock 'n' roll music - as indeed he was, as you would have known had you bothered to pay any attention to anything he actually said or played.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

after the start of his DJing career

Calm down, Marcello. I know perfectly well he played pre rock n roll records. That was part of my point. I just meant that, say, delta blues records were probably quite hard to get hold of in the Wirral, so his love of it came later on.

RDB doesn't have that excuse, no, but I'm just saying that to follow Peel, one shouldn't necessarily have to start out at the point he had reached at the age of 65.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

God, you make me angry sometimes with your rudeness.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like, over the last fortnight, you and I have both been happily talking together about John Peel on various threads. I was really appreciating that, having found it difficult to relate to you in the past. Then suddenly you snap, turn around and say something like "had you bothered to pay any attention to anything he actually said or played."

I mean, wtf?

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, I know, you're ill. I'm sorry. It's just so hard to deal with.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

You make me angry all the time with your wilful ignorance, but at least you got my name right.

Remind yourself where the Wirral is, geographically, and then work out the answer to your question for yourself.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

b-but it's the ramones. it's not some old cajun bloke whose records were only ever available on 78. the ramones had singles in the charts and everything 8)

there were a couple of other things on the same compilation ('England's Dreaming') that he read out that made me wonder, well, i guess it comes down to how old he is: "for the uninitiated, like myself, it opens a whole new musical box of tricks really... iggy, buzzcocks, cabaret voltaire, siouxie sioux". otoh, he did seem quite clued up on the pre-history of trance...

(and peel was a hard act to follow, definitely. caught a bit of last year's christmas show this morning (it's still on the tivo), specifically the bit where he was unwrapping christmas presents from laura cantrell. some old, old rock and roll thing (jerry lee lewis? that ilk anyway) "oh, i have a copy of this already but the cover's worn in this corner". that's quite a memory.)

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I just get fed up of the wilful laziness of the school of thought that goes "oh I dunno about nuffink before 1979, I'm a child of Thatcher innit." No I'm sorry that won't wash, there are CDs, there are specialist magazines, there's the internet, there's no excuse not to know about people or music that existed before you did, unless kids today actually don't WANT to know about any music pre-1979, which I just find unutterably sad.

(Mind you look at that Playboy thing where musicians had to vote for their top ten songs of the millennium, and Richard Thompson took them at their word but his list was never published, presumably because the editors thought "hahah loony old folkie" and when they said "millennium" they really meant "things from 1963-now")

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Keith Cameron

good god YES

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i do want to know, i didn't before because i felt like i had to spend all my time defending the music of my time against the hataz, so i cut my nose off to spite my face a bit probably by tending to block out anything pre 80s until the 00s and lovely old ILM - or it was just a natural gravitation towards 'the sound of now' as you'd expect from anyone growing up surely. i mean at school i had to put up with my friends listening to fucking Genesis, Madness and The Doors half the time whilst simultaneously sneering at all the rave-influenced chart hits and West Coast hip-hop etc. i knew a lot of older music was great but it felt like 'other people's music' for so long. still some way to go tho (i've still never bought a classical cd)...

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

or it was just a natural gravitation towards 'the sound of now' as you'd expect from anyone growing up surely

Funnily enough, even when growing up I gravitated to music because of its quality as opposed to the recording date on the label. I suppose that makes me abnormal. I remember a History double period one Wednesday morning at school, after the exams and not long before the summer break (i.e. we were all idling about), and our History teacher came in with a copy of Songs Of Love And Hate (this was 1978) telling us that this was great music and we should all listen to it. About ten seconds into "Avalanche" the class erupted in hysterical laughter. "Sir he can't sing!" "Sir this is music to slash your wrists by!" etc. Cohen was about as unfashionable as you could get in 1978. But I kept on listening and asked Mr ********* about it/LC afterwards. He was surprised that I was interested. Something in that voice got to me.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Mind you, having a song actually about slashing your wrists as side one, track three, of that album probably didn't help...

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

There seems to be a strange mixture of the cynical and the naive in a lot of these answers. Consider Radio 1's position: they are shell-shocked when Peel dies, and are left with a number of practical considerations, including what to do about the Peel sessions already recorded, and the future of the team who worked on the show – problems ignored by the "there can be no replacing Peelie, so scrap the show now" brigade. Rather than rushing into a big reshuffle of the schedule, they decide to keep the programme running until the final Festive Fifty (actually a pretty nice gesture, and a neat ending of the kind death doesn't normally allow). As various people have stated, the various Peel acolytes – Radcliffe, Andy Kershaw, Mary Anne Hobbs, old Steve – are have jobs elsewhere, as do the people touted here for the future: John Kennedy, Keith Cameron. Radio 1 can't just snap their fingers and produce a suitable DJ. Hence available specialist-slot DJ Rob Da Bank, probably chosen in diplomatic preference to R1 floaters of the Scott Mills/Nemone variety. Granted Da Bank is a plank, but he's clearly only a medium-term measure while the management figure out what they are going to do next.

Mark M, Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

LOVED keith's show at XFM and so gutted when he was cleared out when capital radio took over; great radio voice, knew things and introduced me to a lot of things when I needed it - but he's working at Mojo mag now, right?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

that last but one post looks like a bbc/R1 troll to me. probably scared about losing his job.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Apart from the fact he's been posting sporadically since 2002.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with him about "Da Bank is a plank" though.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure if asked Keith could make himself available... he's the best choice i can think of.

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

you grew up in a different time from me Marcello. I suspect that's another factor in the different way in which we gravitated towards certain types of music growing up.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway very well done on being just that bit better than me when it comes to appreciating music on it's own merit as a child.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello perhaps you don't know enough about the sound of now, and in 10 years that'll be the sound of 10 years ago.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"Oh don't blame me, that was the Blair era! It was natural to fetishize music from 40 years ago!"

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't patronise me boy. I know far more about "the sound of now" than you ever will. You're still stuck in September 2002. Catch up lad!

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

that's more than you've written about it all year!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Just because I don't write about it, lad, doesn't mean I'm not aware of it. Once again you make the elementary error of mistaking my blog for a music blog.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

perhaps you should give Rob Da Bank the same leeway.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha Ronan a winner is you.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Not so fast, Sisyphus. There is no possibility of my mistaking Rob Da Bank for a sentient, intelligent human being.

Can we get Desmond Carrington to do Peel's show instead?

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Desmond Carrington? What kind of an outlaw name is that?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I listened to half an hour last night in the car on the way home from a rehearsal and actually warmed to the bloke. (I've never heard of him before). I heard the bit where he obv didn't have a clue who The Ramones were, which was silly, but he seemed OK. Obviously it's very interim, and the big prob is that he was just trying to play 'what John would've played' without the feel for it, but I can live with that for a while.

Does anyone know what that fantastic birdsong/whistling track which led into some excellent 1930's crooning was? It was after a sequence that went : Ramones, Loudon Wainwright III, Mercury Rev, I think.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

tracklisting on the peel webpage i expect

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I say bring back Peter Powell. "I saw Tron last night! Classic film! It's the greatest film ever made, apart from other ones!"

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

wasn't he also a hypnotist? like Paul McKenna?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I have no real opinion on Rob Da Bank to be honest, but he seems an ok guy and I'd say he has a fairly wide taste in music, judging by Sunday Best stuff anyway, he's heavily into Dub and Reggae and I'd imagine his electronic music knowledge is good too. I can't imagine him having any huge preconceptions about things to be honest.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I hear Mike Read's looking for work at the moment.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

birdsong whistling is ronnie ronalde who is famed for that stuff (mostly it's more birdcalls), lives in australasia somewhere and who, much to john's delight, started emailing in a year or so ago.

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Even more to John's delight, he did a Peel session, also a year or so ago.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard the bit where he obv didn't have a clue who The Ramones were, which was silly, but he seemed OK.

Heck, even our Alice (four) knows who the Ramones are...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyroad: Ronnie Ronalde. I remember a single he did for Harvest records, back in 1976 or so. The b-side was called "Cafe squatter, bird watcher". Never seen a copy. Any ideas?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Radio 1 confirms OneMusic to succeed The John Peel Show

beanz (beanz), Monday, 10 January 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm, that doesn't work now. It says:

BBC Radio 1 has today confirmed that the late John Peel's week night show will be succeeded by OneMusic, three shows hosted by three DJs, dedicated to championing a diverse, unpredictable and non-commercial mix of new music.

It is widely accepted that John Peel can never be replaced. The challenge for the new show therefore is to keep his legacy alive.

OneMusic will do this through its support for new artists both signed and unsigned with an emphasis on UK talent.

It will seek out those making music for music's sake rather than for commercial success.

Above all it will provide support to emerging genres of music and styles that have not yet and may never reach the mainstream.

OneMusic already exists within Radio 1 as a website. It gives people advice and inspiration on all aspects of the music industry from how to record a demo to what to look out for when signing a record contract.

The OneMusic radio shows will focus on seeking out and playing the most innovative and unusual music that is being made today.

The new shows (11.00pm-1.00am) will be hosted by the following DJs:

Tuesdays - Huw Stephens
Wednesdays - Ras Kwame
Thursday - Rob Da Bank

They have been chosen for their depth of knowledge across a variety of musical genres.

Along with the production team, they will pool their expertise to ensure the most interesting music gets exposure three nights a week.

Andy Parfitt, Controller of Radio 1, said of the plans: "As a DJ, John Peel was unique. Supporting new music and seeking out the unusual was at the heart of what John was about.

"We have spent a long time debating how best to continue John's work and believe that by having a series of DJs hosting a selection of shows under the OneMusic title, we will ensure that his legacy lives on."

Huw Stephens added: "I grew up listening to John so it is a massive honour to be able to carry on the work that he did championing new music for so many years.

"No-one will be able to fill John's shoes but we can at least make sure his inspiration keeps us hunting out the next musical gem."

OneMusic will begin 1 February 2005.

Notes to Editors

Huw Stephens

Huw is currently one half of the Radio 1 Thursday night show Bethan and Huw in Wales.

Their show looks at the most exiting new music around with particular emphasis on up-and-coming acts breaking through in Wales.

Huw has a proven track record of finding some of the hottest talent to emerge in recent years. His discoveries include Goldie Lookin Chain and Funeral For A Friend.

Ras Kwame

Ras is the host of 100% Homegrown on Radio 1's digital sister station 1Xtra.

His show is dedicated to showcasing the best of UK black music.

As well as playing the tracks, the show also broadcasts live sessions giving many artists their first chance to perform live for a national audience.

Artists championed in recent months include Lethal B, Kano and Lady Sovereign.

Rob Da Bank

Rob has been hosting The John Peel Show since John passed away. In addition he is one of the hosts of The Blue Room, an early morning weekend show that plays an eclectic mix of electronic and dance, old and new.

Rob has received great support from the John Peel audience in recent times and has a great understanding of the essence of the show and what its audience expects from it.

The three DJs will continue to host their current shows.

OneMusic

OneMusic is a brand that already exists as part of Radio 1.

Primarily it is a website that provides in-depth information on all aspects of the music industry for those wanting to get a foot in the door from the experts already working there.

In addition it gives feedback on new music sent in by aspiring artists across the country.

Beggars Banquet A&R man Roger Trust and Skint Records founder Damian Harris are just two of the industry experts who have contributed to the site sharing their experiences as well as giving tips on how to get on in the industry.

beanz (beanz), Monday, 10 January 2005 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

this isn't really very good news

stelfox, Monday, 10 January 2005 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what else they could have done, uninspiring as this is.

beanz (beanz), Monday, 10 January 2005 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

it does seem a bit like they're just pidgeon-holing everything further, eclecticism too 'awkward' to maintain. how varied is Kwame's show likely to be for example? it seems a shame that R1 can't recognise the value of eclecticism within single programmes rather than just across an entire station/range of stations.

Stevem On X (blueski), Monday, 10 January 2005 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

looks like i'm going to have to start *buying* Melt Banana and Ronnie Ronalde records...

koogs (koogs), Monday, 10 January 2005 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

it's better than rob da bank doing it all, but it's just pretty dull.

stelfox, Monday, 10 January 2005 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess their market research shows that people listen to the radio on average for less than 20 mins at a time and JP had one of the shows that (I imagine) had listeners who tuned in for longer. But now he's dead there's nobody likely to attract that kind of audience so they reckon it don't make no difference as long as they fly the eclectic banner.

beanz (beanz), Monday, 10 January 2005 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

and let me clarify that i actually think rob is a very nice chap, but don't think he's the right replacement for john peel. who would be i don't honestly know, either.

stelfox, Monday, 10 January 2005 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)


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