The UFO/alien abduction thread

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There's a thread about all that here:

Sleep Paralysis - Plain Weird or REALLY WEIRD!?

psychic abilities? you seem like a real wack job all right. i know you probably don't really believe it though, yr probably just saying it to get attention and draw your mind off your mundane existence.

thanks pal.

The Phoenix Lights return

Lights in the sky.Filmed in Phoenix april 08. Set to powerfull music.
For other UFO's check out my MySpace :
http://www.myspace.com/ufo_truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf8w-mglUgM

so they're just flares attached to balloons? Two seperate people confirmed this, so case solved yes?

two separate patsys

Anyone see this when originally broadcast?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TjwB0_I-DQ

"The objects look like UFOs"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1222670.ece

way to misquote The Sun, StanM. "look like flying saucers" - those dots, they mean. Not the bird.

Expert Chris Martin said they could be spheres which have been seen a lot over London.

sammy hagar now believes he is an abductee

"This footage could be an alien visit"

Shocking alien whale abduction caught on camera!

http://i27.tinypic.com/2ef2t7t.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/51/Star_trek_iv_ver3.jpg/200px-Star_trek_iv_ver3.jpg

Expert Chris Martin said they could be spheres which have been seen a lot over London.

"...and they were all yellow..."

there are some who say that aliens are fallen angels, who mislead us away from god.

i think their is a wring of truth to this hypothesis.

lol

Explains it all:

The reason I bring this up, is that last week The Sun runs another UFO story, a full front-pager this time, on UFOs being sighted over a military base. This made me think two things: firstly, that’s a few slow news weeks we’ve been getting. Secondly, that’s nicely timed, considering there’s a new X-Files movie coming out in a few weeks’ time.

The last thought chilled me. Really. Because The Sun is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who in turn owns Fox- who produce the X-Files.

http://www.fractalhall.com/blog/?p=222

Mitchells be believin'!

(here's another one: Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 astronaut)

http://www.australia.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=207:et-&catid=1:latest

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1037471/Apollo-14-astronaut-claims-aliens-HAVE-contact--covered-60-years.html

strange, i just saw Mysterious Skin, so now i think all these folx have been abused :/

also, just saw hilarious filler episode of larry king with a bunch of former USAF ufologist types, and he was totally flummoxed at some point: "ah yeah we're gonna break for a moment here. yeah. that's really wierd."

oh shit utub delivers!!

pts 1 - 4!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwiOHRRbNl0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AlAUtN4lJQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkd95fbMHQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHwDcbxwVXk

several years ago i was asking my dad if he had heard of Art Bell (my dad was a ham radio enthusiast, and apparently so is Art Bell)...my dad was very familiar with his name, but was unaware of his radio show. I told him that it was this goofy call-in show where people discuss ufo's and other "unexplained phenomena", and my dad launched into a story about his days in the Air Force, and how he and some of the other guys would occasionally see stuff come up on the radar that bore no resemblance whatsoever to any plausibly existing technology...like vehicles which traveled at ridiculously high speeds or in bizarre patterns and so forth. There seemed to be no reasonable explanation for this stuff, and he said that his superiors professed bafflement as to whatever it could be.

I thought it was interesting to hear this story from him, because he is a very practical-minded person, who had never evidenced any interest in ufo's or "Coast to Coast AM"-type crap before

yeah, so, three weeks after the election and i've seen advertisements for three new UFO/paranormal shows.

this totally fits my theory that democratic administrations = freaky, "in search of" type tv shows and UFO revivalism.

also why is CNN's American Morning having this "In Search of Aliens/UFO's" thing every day this week, with Miles O'Brien telling his personal unexplained-moments accts, and talking about how new Obaman Chief of Staff Podesta is a big believer in opening the US Gov't official files on UFO history...? (This was just on air 5 mins ago)

^^ this was on the tv's at the gym this morning -- the sound was off so can anyone tell me: why do they keep showing clips of jimmy carter?

He claimed to have seen something with a bunch of his friends when he was in the military

I like this, brought up often these days by UFO supporters as "they know something we don't and they're about to reveal it"

Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24598508/

I can see myself believing in aliens. I read books on strange phenomenon, love the X-Files, and I would absolutely love to have a UFO experience. I think there is much more to reality than you see in daily life. But it just never happened, I've never had a personal experience with anything anywhere close to a UFO, so I don't believe in them.

They're attacking windfarms!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/7817378.stm

They'll be objecting to the 4th runway at Heathrow next, alien posho bastards

Children traumatised by 'War of Worlds' abduction of teacher

<3 <3 <3

http://www.abductionlamp.com

I ordered one :-)

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20091218/tod-giant-pyramid-ufo-hovers-over-moscow-870a197.html

like the article says though, surely other people would have seen this so called mile-wide shape hovering in the sky above them. also this was over a week ago, nodoby said anything until now!

they had their memories wiped duh.

Also you'd have thought that the armed forces (does Russia still have the second largest airforce?) would have probably noticed it too.

Watching the video it looks like something tethered to something.

The night footage (here) is more interesting. But someone has to stop asking Nick Pope his opinion. Never has anyone been so wrong so many times and still he seems to be the first person journos call on any UFO story.

Nick Pope, a former Ministry of Defence UFO analyst, said it was 'one of the most extraordinary UFO clips I've ever seen'.

haha. i know these clips are from the same news production but both have different presenters saying exactly the same line. i just found it quite funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkpbNMHk3Xs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRNq-d31DZQ

Guys I have seen enough Doctor Who Christmas specials to know crazy shit happens to major cities this time of year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE5UQ0IXVVU

Washington, 1952: How the CIA created the flying saucer craze

I am so goddamn happy -- turns out of my favorite trashy as hell 'UFO documentary' films is all up on YouTube. First saw this in 1989 and...well, just take the hour and a half, trust me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jja-Lx2WAhM

But if you want a detailed precis instead:

http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/Overlords_of_the_UFO_1976.aspx

if that's not the title of a helios creed tune...

Hahaha OTM

uri geller??

And so much more!

I will need to watch this later.

OVERLORDS is fun, but my fave is UFOs: IT HAS BEGUN (w/bonus Rod Serling!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGYg9jqOn14

i have tomorrow off and i had it set aside to do all sorts of productive things

now look what you've done

Helped you relax, in other words.

i have tomorrow off and i had it set aside to do all sorts of productive things

now look what you've done

My work here is done.

Are UFO Alien Faces an Inborn
Facial Recognition Template?

http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/close-encounters-of-the-facial-kind/

that's a cool theory

that's what i thought too

Huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bMxngl9p__0#!

hill says she'll unleash the government's secret ufo files on an unsuspecting world

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/us/politics/hillary-clinton-aliens.html

It is ~~~notable~~~ to me that a large percentage of the small number of people who have seen classified reports on UFOs, but are also legally obligated not to disclose what those reports say, keep trying very unsubtly to tell us something. https://t.co/40oCiw6zzy

— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) December 16, 2020

I recently watched a TV movie from 1975 called The UFO Incident, about the famous Barney & Betty Hill case of 1961. The movie is surprisingly solid, and well-acted by James Earl Jones and Estelle Parsons playing the Hills. I'm a total UFO skeptic, but I remembered being kind of creeped out by this case as a kid. And even now I find interesting elements to it, among them that the Hills don't seem like obvious attention hounds or fabricators, and that since theirs is supposedly the original abduction case spun as such, they therefore weren't following a script. So I do wonder what really happened that night, maybe something to do with sleep deprivation. I raise an eyebrow at the fact that they recounted their stories under hypnosis over two years after the night of the incident. What led up to those hypnosis sessions, I wonder. Does anyone have any takes on this case? And/or has anyone read any literature on it?

iirc Betty had an interest in UFO/sci-fi stuff before the incident (as it turns out most abduction cases do) and so was, to some degree, following a script.

I highly recommend the book "Watch the Skies" by Curtis Peebles which investigates the origins of many of the famous UFO stories like this.

Aha, interesting. Thanks.

That is a good piece of the puzzle, because I'm speculating that a story took shape over 2 to 1/2 years and I think the seed of it started with the Hills and then there were outside influences (i.e. other people) who probably goaded them on and moved the story forward.

I agree that earlier cases like this are interesting for having happened before many of the ufo tropes were fully developed.

I read through tonnes of UFO/unexplained books as a kid; I can remember being really weirded out by one particular book (which I think was a compilation of an 80s British paranormal magazine) which depicted a bizarre variety of alien beings, and descriptions of dream-like and paranormal phenomena occurring to abductees. This was in the 90s, so most of what I had been reading (and watching) up to then swept all of these details under the carpet (or at least tried to), to present a standardised, "literal" abduction narrative. I was reminded of this recently when watching Arthur C Clarke's Mysterious World; the episode on UFOs, in particular, really was a relic from another time.

Regarding the Hills, there was a book based on a conference attended by UFO investigators of various stripes back in 2007. I haven't read it, but it presents a variety of takes on the subject (I get the impression it's pretty dry and academic):
https://books.google.ie/books/about/Encounters_at_Indian_Head.html?id=ytDEGAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

Thanks, I might look at that one also. From what I've just been reading online and listening to on podcasts, it seems Betty Hill did have a fascination with UFOs before and after the alleged abduction. Her sister had reported seeing UFOs before Betty did. In the early stages of the story Barney appears to have been a reluctant participant in the alien narrative, but that will somehow change later.

xp don't know if it's the same book but this was the one i regularly consulted growing up (i also had the ghosts one which freaked me out even more):

https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51dqwubjguL._SX218_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_ML2_.jpg

the UFO narrative may not have had abduction much wired into it prior to 1961 but folk-tales of abductions by peoples who are not us (viz the fae folk etc etc) go back a long long way -- i'd hesitate to make the jump from one mythology to another too glibly or quickly but i'd also be surprised if there's no holdover at all in re socio-mythological function blah blah

(also here for ppl yelling that aliens and fae folk both totally exist are they're hella different)

fae folk and aliens are both tricks played by the dmt elves.

my take is that betty and barney hill were likely MK Ultra victims- they were civil rights activists

fae cia folk

just finished mirage men, excellent read, basically sealed the deal on me as far as intelligence being responsible for many of the famous stories

(but also UFOs are real)

Yeah, Mirage Men was a good read. The Paul Bennewitz story was so tragic and fucked up.

I don't think it was that specific book, Ledge, though I do know those Usborne books (three in total, there's also one for Monsters, which I guess would have been titled Cryptids if it was released now...) have recently been reprinted.

https://usborne.com/gb/books/series/the-world-of-the-unknown

I was actually prompted to buy DVDs of ACC's Mysterious World (and its follow-up series, ACC's World of Strange Powers) when Fortean Times recently ran an overview and review of the series across three issues. Really enjoyable to watch and read along, I hope they cover Strange Powers in the near future (and maybe Mysterious Universe further down the line, though that hasn't been released on DVD over here).

ledge thank you for posting that usbourne book cover. I'd forgotten all about that book about but will have read it obsessively as a kid. Top left inset picture on the cover massively creeped me out back then--the Hopskinville Goblins encounter.

Yeah, Mirage Men was a good read. The Paul Bennewitz story was so tragic and fucked up.

richard doty is so unnerving, like even though he's an obvious evil creep he still is able to charm the author and his friend, and living as a trickster generally seems to have messed up doty, like he doesn't even know what he believes anymore. makes the intelligence field seem especially nihilistic, in that it harms everyone it touches, and for what? i also was impressed by the meta element of this book itself also essentially being part of an 'op'. like why should we believe kit green anyway

Regarding the Hills, there was a book based on a conference attended by UFO investigators of various stripes back in 2007. I haven't read it, but it presents a variety of takes on the subject (I get the impression it's pretty dry and academic):
https://books.google.ie/books/about/Encounters_at_Indian_Head.html?id=ytDEGAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

― Duane Barry, Tuesday, January 4, 2022 9:07 AM (three days ago)

Just bought this and have finished it already. I liked it quite a lot and didn't find it too dry. Each of the nine investigators (all men) gets his own chapter to expound on his thoughts and conclusions. As you suggested, each take is distinct from the others. The nine investigators span the spectrum from believers to disbelievers. Interestingly, of the two co-writers of the book - who were also two of the investigators - one does not believe there was an abduction and the other believes there was (or did believe, as he died before the book was published). I'm not sure if my own opinion has been swayed either way. It remains an interesting case that evidently can't be either proven or definitively disproven.

Having read more about Betty Hill I would emend something I posted upthread: instead of saying Betty Hill had a fascination with UFOs prior to the alleged incident, it's probably more accurate to say she had a passing interest in them, as many people did in 1961. After the alleged incident it's very clear she became intensely interested in the subject.

I highly recommend the book "Watch the Skies" by Curtis Peebles which investigates the origins of many of the famous UFO stories like this.

― visiting, Monday, January 3, 2022 7:22 PM (two weeks ago)

Bought an old mass market pb of this and am reading it now. This is perfect, I like the sober, factual tone of it and the seeming thoroughness of the research. Very interesting that early on (late '40s/early 50s) the US military is clearly less concerned with the possibility of alien visitations and more concerned with the possibility of a new Soviet technology or perhaps some kind of psy op being carried out by the Soviets. And they knew it was dangerous to national security to have too many UFO reports clogging up intelligence channels bc then reports of genuine threats would be harder to zero in on.

Your earlier posts prompted me to read a book on the Betty Hill case written by her niece and Stanton Friedman... I don't recommend it.

The story is presented from the beginning as fact and there is a lot of defensiveness regarding the validity of the hypnosis sessions and critics of the case.

Although I'm not especially a big podcast guy I do enjoy this one

He approaches contactees, abductees, sightings, etc. from more of a historical/cultural folklore sort of approach. He has a definite gift for taking source materials and making them much more entertaining than they deserve to be, thanks to his midwestern dry sense of humor and genuine affection for the phenomenon.

xp OK so we have the niece getting defensive about the hypnosis sessions, but on the other side we have the actual doctor who put the Hills under hypnosis, who never believed the Hills were actually abducted (though he did believe they saw a UFO).

What nags at me about the Hills' account is that there are two phases to it, only one of which was consciously remembered just after it happened - that's the phase of the sighting of the UFO - and admittedly it's still weird as it involves Barney Hill claiming to have seen, through binoculars, humanoid beings on the deck of a spaceship. The second phase of the account is the abduction. This was not consciously remembered the day after and only was revealed to Betty Hill in a series of dreams starting a week after the incident. Is it possible to accurately recall in dreams a sequence of real events that one can't actually remember consciously? This is a pertinent question. Because these dreams appear to be the foundation of the story that two years later is "corroborated" in the hypnosis sessions.

Military is clearly less concerned with the possibility of alien visitations and more concerned with the possibility of a new Soviet technology or perhaps some kind of psy op being carried out by the Soviets. And they knew it was dangerous to national security to have too many UFO reports clogging up intelligence channels bc then reports of genuine threats would be harder to zero in on. Within the past year, The New Yorker has published several pieces (also at least one of their podcast episodes is) about US Gov dealing with UFO reports, managing to at least officially explain away most, but going to some lengths to discredit and thus discourage dissent on the subject. One prob is that officeholders get interested in the subject, then enthusiastic, and can't be brushed off or derided. At least one guy got hired or drafted to head the program because he said he didn't care about UFOs at all--think the exact interview exchange was, "What do you think about UFOs?" "I don't think about them."

Haven't read those pieces, but what I'm understanding from reading about the early UFO days is that the US Gov is in kind of a bind, because they don't want people *not* to report anomalies in the sky, but at the same time it's counterproductive for a wide swath of the public to jump to the conclusion that there is some kind of alien incursion going on. This is the kind of belief that could be manipulated for propaganda purposes by an enemy state. And yes, there has always been a sizeable minority in the US govt who actually do believe the alien hypothesis; that's a complication.

I went looking for something about UFOs to listen to and came across the podcast Strange Arrivals, which focuses on the Hill case for the entirity of its first season. I've not finished it all yet but it's been enjoyable so far.

Definitely check out The Saucer Life podcast too.

it is interesting that many people believe in this stuff now. like, i'll bring up the zimbabwe school incident in conversation and everyone there will have heard about it.

I've met far more people in my life who believe in them then people who don't.

Xp I think that's a story that did the rounds on twitter at some point - at least that's where i first heard of it.

Just listened to the Strange Arrivals episode “Regressed” which deals with the hypnosis part of the Hill case. Great stuff, I appreciate the skeptical bent of it, at least of this episode.

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

seems like something's going on here. this dude does not appear to be a crackpot.

Trying to figure out if this is one of the episodes where incontrovertible evidence is uncovered or where high-ranking officials have whipped up a convincing fake so that Mulder again loses faith.

The Pentagon says it's not true, which will be proof enough for some that it is true.

The Pentagon says it's not true, which will be proof enough for some that it is true.

(sorry, an alien made me post that twice)

in the Guardian now:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/whistleblower-ufo-alien-tech-spacecraft

gotta say I feel a little bad for the dumbass alien who crashed and accidentally alerted an entire species to their extistence

the smartest "skeptic" theory of this (which is to say, skeptical not of Grusch as a source but of the existence of a long-held conspiracy to conceal evidence of aliens from congress) is this one:

In light of the Coulthart/Debrief story about David Grusch, I'd just like to raise again this question I asked three days ago.

(With the caveat that Grush did not actually work in such a program, and we don't yet know who did) https://t.co/1QjMw2ylyN

— Mick West (@MickWest) June 5, 2023

if -i- had to bet i'd put my personal random guesstimates at:
60% they were just reverse-engineering chinese tech or private tech or whatever
25% there's a long-held conspiracy to conceal evidence of aliens from congress
15% Grusch isn't reliable

this dude does not appear to be a crackpot

i would have agreed, up until the dude claimed the usa is hiding ufos. now he does appear to be a crackpot

the responses to that twitter thread are a great example of how mere mention of ufos brings out the idiot in a lot of people. they’re busy debating “advanced tech indistinguishable from alien / magical / wakandan / time traveler tech” … but the article never says he saw anything advanced, just metallurgy he didn’t recognize. for all we know could be like a lot of the weird rocks found in meteorites and/or spit up by volcanoes, ie completely useless!

I am an alien

Less convincing than the eerie but thus far "zero evidence of alien origin" oumuamua

https://cropper.watch.aetnd.com/cdn.watch.aetnd.com/sites/5/2017/11/CharlieBrownLucyFootball.jpg

Okay this happened in California:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/09/20/77623183-12725557-image-m-57_1699563393039.jpg

Daily Mail is obv. trash but I love their breathless UFO reporting

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12725557/Air-Force-officer-breaks-silence-red-glowing-UFO-size-football-field-hovering-low-altitude-space-launch-base-California-event-witnessed-half-dozen-military-personnel-People-screaming-scared.html

ah what a shame, my adblocker prevents me ever having to read the Mail.

80 people witnessed it but no photos.

It happened in 2003, but yeah.

razr/flipphone camera photos would be about as enlightening as no photo at all lol

Where does one sign up to volunteer to be abducted?

This planet sucks and I am tired of it.

they'll probe you and bring you back just to have recurring nightmares... trust me, it's not worth it

There is something very weird going on with the congressional hearings and intelligence community leaks on this topic over the past year or two. Especially these guys, all retired military commanders: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190390376/ufo-hearing-non-human-biologics-uaps

I do not for one moment believe the US government has crashed alien spacecraft and “biologics” in their possession. So why is this information being released? What is the point of the hoax and who is behind it?

They're diverting attention away from their own experiments with stealth and anti-gravity propulsion stuff? And linking it all to the little green men makes it easier to dismiss everyone who investigates as a crazy person.

I'd still like everything to be true but without actual proof time travel and faster than light and intelligent aliens etc are all just pipe dreams.

The next "oh that UFO shit you saw for the last 20 years, that was our new triangular stealth bomber, here it is, tadaa" has to be flying around already, they're not going to tell us until they've lost their advantage.

grusch's testimony doesn't project neatly onto this theory

the most reasonable explanation i've heard is that there are some secret programs keeping track of other foreign countries' super-high-tech (eg: china) and that grusch either misunderstood or was deceived about these programs, leading him to understand them to be non-human in origin

Nicholson Baker is not convinced, says it's balloons but doesn't offer a theory for Grusch's testimony.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/leslie-kean-ufo-sightings-aliens.html

a tiny core of purposeful disinformation, a vast army of useful idiots/credulous nitwits (including grusch) and a thin shell of chancers looking for a paycheck, is how I break it down to an extent.

what abt these guys

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFqmEVWWYAAJxih?format=jpg

elder gods are not space aliens

to them we are probably the aliens

Wow, Mike West turns out wrote the Amiga game "Rotox"!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnUnYTtzhzw

Mick West obviously

so there's a big hearing on Nov 13th in the US and it feels like more and more things are getting teased about possible disclosure etc?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/secret-pentagon-ufo-program-immaculate-constellation-revealed/ss-AA1s1iof

and then this guy... it's a lot (whole branches of theoretical physics that are classified, for instance)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f16VvXaSSE

^ the channel ( http://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichels ) has a lot of intriguing stuff that feels like it all points to one bigger picture.

I was talking about this recently, about how stories about alien abductions were exponentially more common in the 70s and 80s. Usually involving sex with aliens and almost always involving farmers in remote communities.

I can't watch a two hour video. I skipped to 'what are space time and matter' and it's just bong talk with spooky music in the background to make it sound MYSTERIOUS and IMPORTANT.

Ok mr smartypants what ARE space time and matter then

Space is really big. Time is what keeps things from happening all at once. Matter is what hurts if you hit someone with it.

I'm not saying I know or believe anything, just that the people Michels interviews are from such different backgrounds, they can't all be part of the same team of actors. Yet their stories seem to point to significant research advances in physics/gravity. Okay yes, developing spy planes = national security, obviously, but even if you filter out the hoohoo stuff (aliens and time travel and archons and shit) it's still a lot more than just the next stealth airplane being developed. Anyway.

have you read mirage men by mark pilkington? it convincingly paints so much of this stuff as deliberate misinformation, not just for the ruskies but within and between u.s. gov / military departments. and anything to do with 'skinwalker ranch' looks like nothing more than a brazen attempt on the part of a few people to squeeze tens of millions of dollars out of the government.

a nice detail in the unsolved mysteries series is that when roswell was first looked at the actors in the reconstruction playing the research team who found the alien bodies are wearing pith helmets

how come so many people from different backgrounds believe in this stuff? Well if they're all credulous nitwits who think drawing lines on a folded piece of paper and writing e=mc^2 in big letters is in any way meaningful...

"I'm just a guy with a history degree and I'm talking to the head of lockheed about things neil degrasse tyson wouldn't understand and he's nodding"! maybe this whole thing is worth watching for the lulz.

xxpost : good point. Several of the episodes on that channel mention knowledge being compartimentalized in silos that aren't talking to each other under the guise of national security - which definitely involves getting a bigger piece of the funding cake.

even if all of what these guys are saying is bullshit, it's at least... interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQOibpIDx-4

stoked for this new theory of everything from a venture fund manager and podcast host!

to be fair needling neil degrasse tyson is a decent reason to do something xxxp

Eric Weinstein come the fuck on

so there's a big hearing on Nov 13th in the US and it feels like more and more things are getting teased

this seems to come up about once a year or so.. maybe it's just a way to let off some of the steam, to provide some arcane theories and fuzzy disappointing videos because the Gov't actually does have a whole zoo full of captured aliens from a crashed flying saucer, and they helped us build a functioning cold fusion reactor, in fact dozens of them

ok the newest video is Graham Hancock, this Weinstein guy is from the Thiel fund, in short: what the fuck is this guy's agenda?

I didn't know Weinstein - apparently Michels was the producer of Weinstein's podcast or something

Exposing The Truth - now they're just trolling

https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-exposing-the-truth/

today I was thinking if we do have evidence of ufo visiting us its incredibly scary because wtf are they up to and how powerful are they

i'd say let's just roll over at this point

Apparently so powerful that they can't travel all this way without crashing multiple times.

Lol

But also… how does one explain that?

they mostly started crashing after we began messing with nuclear bombs/power so maybe that messes with their GPS

I'm not sure I believe any of the recovered crash stories. All these reports are tantalizing because none of them come with a prize in the box - we need something solid to analyze

At some point absence of evidence becomes evidence of absence

I just heard a radio interview with some people from SETI and a guy called in with stories of government coverups and alien technology, and they didn't outright mock the dude but politely said that they've seen little evidence for the claims

it does say something that half the worlds population are carrying high-def digital cameras in their pockets all the time, yet we're seeing less UFO images than from the golden age of clunky film cameras

And it’s been 77 years since Kenneth Arnold saw UFOs. 63 years since Barney & Betty Hill’s evidence-free abduction.

but it's possible they saw or experience something, if not creatures from outer space

Jacques Vallée has often said something to the effect of 'they're not from out there, they're from here..' i.e. something like 'ultraterrestrials' (like the Mothman, etc.). I guess he tried to sell that hypothesis when he was advising on CEIII, but Spielberg really wanted little space men from far away

I'm fairly convinced there have been significant advances in materials/anti-gravity/anti-inertia that keep getting hidden behind the inventions secrecy act / atomic secrecy act etc. Any important discovery in these fields immediately gets squirreled away from public view and public science, all in the name of national security.

an old example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm :

"The scattering calculations (of collisions of protons and deuterons) that he had completed proved useful to the Manhattan Project and were immediately classified. Without security clearance, Bohm was denied access to his own work; not only would he be barred from defending his thesis, he was not even allowed to write his own thesis in the first place!" To satisfy the University, Oppenheimer certified that Bohm had successfully completed the research.

or someone like Thomas Townsend Brown and his electrogravitics - yeah yeah, the official word is that the effects were too small. But what if they just needed a lot more energy to get better results? For decades, there have been lots of "unknown" things being sighted near nuclear installations and power plants, which could make sense if they needed to go charge their batteries often.

Nick Cook's "The Hunt For Zero Point" may be based on a false story (the Nazi "Die Glocke"), his investigation in what was going on with all these things at Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works etc was still rather revealing, imho.

and also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-117_Nighthawk#Yugoslavia : when the stealth bomber that had been in development since at least the 70s and only officially revealed in the late 80s was shot down over Yugoslavia in 1999, it didn't matter that the Russians got their hands on it, because the technology was already old hat by then.

Aliens and reverse engineering crash retrieval stuff? The perfect cover story that refuses to die. (Mirage Men, anyone?)

I still think we're not alone, but the chances of multiple civilisations being intelligent AND not yet extinct AND close enough together to each other at the same time may be astronomically (sic) small.

what's your (favorite)answer to Fermi's paradox?

even if all of what these guys are saying is bullshit, it's at least... interesting

I don’t understand this. Science is way more interesting than science fiction.

well, it's interesting in a folklore sense, yeah? Or sociological

Thomas Townsend Brown and his electrogravitics - yeah yeah, the official word is that the effects were too small. But what if they just needed a lot more energy to get better results?

it's not an antigravity effect, it's a well understood electrical phenomenon - using more energy would increase the effect but it would still be less efficient than conventional means of thrust.

the idea that there are whole areas of physics that are classified based on what happened during the manhattan project is not terribly credible.

I didn't invent this idea, btw - and ok, a link with "UFOs" in it isn't exactly the best way to prove my point here, but https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1e5n7e2/the_white_house_acknowledged_classifying_whole/

Again with the nutso libertarian silicon valley tech bros as the principal source.

yeah, I don't know what they have to do with this. Are they in the same psyop freemason club or something?

the aliens have promised them they can be among the immortal leaders of what’s left of humanity after we finish terraforming the earth through climate change to make the planet more habitable for our new interplanetary overlords iirc

alright - that would make sense!

well, it's interesting in a folklore sense, yeah? Or sociological

For me, it’s an unfortunate reminder that we don’t care about education and we’re increasingly disconnected from nature. There isn’t anything in the UFOs subreddit that would survive the scrutiny of an AP physics classroom. It’s bleak.

if you look at how far technology advanced from the year 200AD to today, I can help bu t think if any civilization has in the range of 20,000 years of technological development, anything is possible.

ok, LOL this guy - he says he's a whistleblower and he's revealing the big secret classified plan for the next couple of years. World war, fake alien invasion... We'll know soon enough if the first one happens :

I WILL NOW RELEASE THE TIMELINE OF MAJOR UPCOMING EVENTS ACCORDING TO THE CLASSIFIED FILES:

October/November will be James Webb Telescope finding "biologics/biological signatures" in TRAPPIST 1/Alpha Mensae Star Systems, and the release of "Project Coral Lane" which I don't… pic.twitter.com/5vkxL4m9QM

— WHISTLEBLOWER (@truthtold24) October 14, 2024

Trappist-1 : JWST data for the most promising planet (5th one) is unreliable because the star unexpectedly flared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EegNfVwEBoY (relevant section starts at 18:31 - this is Dr. Becky's channel, a real actual astrophysicist and totally not about conspiracy/ufo/alien stuff)

Damn can't wait to try their ales.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DCTEuTFxwge/

This video is 12+ years old. They talk about behavior that some currently debated UFO sightings may show, e.g. does one of the pilots in the Gimbal video say: "that's not ours, it's LMS" ? LMS, Lockheed Martin Skunkworks?

Anyway, if they could discuss this a decade ago, it must have been old news and no longer classified by then. What have they been doing since then?

Nothing here suggests anything alien, obviously - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

update: I don't think they say "LMS" in the Gimbal video.
https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/sites/g/files/jejdrs566/files/2020-04/2%20-%20GIMBAL.wmv

Elmer's?

https://www.elmer.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/elmer-400.png

OMG alien elephants! that's it!

"Methinks that what they call my shadow here on earth is my true substance... Methinks that in looking at things spiritual, we are too much like oysters observing the sun through the water, and thinking that thick water the thinnest of air." Mobby Dick

This drone stuff is getting kinda wild here in NJ and the surrounding areas

so uh did anyone figure out what those are yet

There have been no answers for any of it which is the main issue I have. Like ok it’s not aliens but it’s something and you can’t tell me nobody knows.

this is p wild

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5039361-larry-hogan-says-he-also-spotted-drones/

is this not just a lot of people fucking about?

some of it is likely hysteria, sure

but a former governor? not likely

I heard a guy talking on his phone at the liquor store yesterday: "You ain't heard about this? The drones in Jersey? the size of a fucking Buick!"

yeah the size of them is what freaks me out, like it can't just be some troublemakers, someone's doin' something here

remember the mysterious balloons a couple years ago? I care as little about this as I did about the mysterious balloons

We’re driving to morris county tomorrow night to see what we can see

Not gonna lie I’ve watched some pretty compelling live feeds

save us, Lrrr

see also

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/oregon-pilot-puzzled-mysterious-lights-sky-ufo-sightings/

We’re driving to morris county tomorrow night to see what we can see

― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon)

I’ve seen war of the worlds enough times to tell you that as soon as you think they’re aware of your presence, hightail it out of there.

ack ack ack ack ack

posts some links, all the photos I’m seeing look weak af

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRVDUEzWkF4

thx, sleeve. pretty weird!

Things at the first sign of which I will be hauling ass in the other direction:
-sudden cessation of well-charged electronic devices or other erratic behavior of personal tech
-feelings of nausea
-appearance of blue orbs
-anything moving in my direction what so fuckin ever

A lot of the stuff I’ve seen is on TikTok

https://www.tiktok.com/@tcampsx/video/7447744219336297771

https://www.tiktok.com/@janicemorseportraits/video/7447764015494827310

There hundreds of people posting similar with varying degrees of quality and authenticity. It’s probably something dumb but would be cool to know.

https://www.tiktok.com/@airbear96/video/7447754214564023595

my 2 cents: most of these NJ ones are military drones + the current flap ramped up a week after Trump was elected = it's either an attempt to secure funding ("we need more expensive countermeasures to protect our bases"), tests that will determine which aerospace company will be chosen for the next round of orders, or tests before a future conflict that NATO seems to think is on the way (which is also what NATO would say if they wanted more funding).

If they were all Russian or Chinese, then that would be an act of war and nobody dares say it out loud in between presidents - but they would have at least shoot down a lot more of them, if that was the case.

The blue/orange/other orbs: I don't know. Those didn't start in November.

shoot/shot (Divine)

Orbs?

https://www.tiktok.com/@ufos169/video/7448281950864887073

About three minutes in

https://abc7ny.com/15652850/

Orbs?

That "energy orb" shot is nothing mysterious--it's what a point of light looks like on a zoomed-in and out of focus camera.

Not saying that the actual drones aren't a mystery, just that posting a blurry dot as if it were a real object is not helping.

Wouldn’t a professional camera operator be aware of that?

some blue and/or orange ball-shaped things (the "orbs") seem to be surrounded by some kind of shimmering plasma, according to the lore

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1hdugdr/clear_footage_of_orb_on_abc_news/

"clear" is a bit of an overstatement but this is the kind of thing people seem to see?

it's at 2:50 in this : https://abc7ny.com/15652850/

the only thing I can offer is that this is a camera man and they're supposed to know about out of focus stars, I hope

On the way to Jersey, love to you all. If I pass, my gmail is set to release my list of the 111 greatest classical music recordings of all time

isn’t the reporter seeing it directly with her eyes? Xp

yes, the reporter and her crew

getting back to antigravity and faster than light stuff... advances in these fields keep getting hinted at

e.g. here from about 40:48 for the next half hour. The interview is about a lot of other stuff too (hence the title etc) but it's... I don't know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xxmguz0GEQ

https://www.tiktok.com/@courtlesp/video/7448515679294180651

This is going to end with someone blinding a pilot and causing a crash

This is really upsetting.
There are 94! msg with the word 'laser' in my ACARS msg database right now. I have never, ever, in 7ish years, seen so many uses of the word before!
Look at the scroll bar how often they show up!
The whole drone thing is out of control.
DO NOT SHINE… pic.twitter.com/3UnD1t73Wb

— thebaldgeek (@thebaldgeek) December 14, 2024

1. I think there is a panic and a lot of what is bein seen is planes and drones
2. the government is being weirdly silent on this for unknown reasons.
3. if it was supposed to be some secret military exercises why are they so bright and conspicuous over new jersey
4. there could be something weird ALSO going on despite the hoaxers and fools
5. what if there has been a lot of UAP stuff going on and the drones are supposed to distract and obfuscate this and provide a cover story because the govt has to control over uaps

another theory - the aliens are our guardians to save us from ourselves and they are worried about trump getting re elected and causing human self destruction so they are ready to take over

https://web.archive.org/web/20240420034210/https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/06/ufos-took-us-nuclear-systems-offline-repeatedly-former-pentagon-ufo-office-chief-says/

Here's the community note on Larry Hogans video.

Last night, beginning at around 9:45 pm, I personally witnessed (and videoed) what appeared to be dozens of large drones in the sky above my residence in Davidsonville, Maryland (25 miles from our nation’s capital). I observed the activity for approximately 45 minutes.

Like… pic.twitter.com/Ipx8ctLmhs

— Governor Larry Hogan (@GovLarryHogan) December 13, 2024

xpost: If that is the case then they don't care about us killing ourselves (see: every other war situation where they don't intervene), just the nuclear destruction part. This may suggest there's a greater purpose for humanity, like maybe warming up the planet until it's hot enough for the reptilian overlords to come kill us all and live here.

(reptilians or insectoids, I'm not sure I'm up to speed with the lore - the grey ones with the big eyes are artificial single-purpose minions for either the reptilians or insectoids who are really in charge, I believe it was?)

or warming up the planet so when we have nuclear war the nuclear winter after will not be so bad at all

Merry Christmas to aliens who are Christian

Provocative new film, it's another provocative new film!

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/mar/12/age-of-disclosure-ufo-documentary

I'm more and more thinking they're not telling us because it's bad news. Politicians not jumping at the chance to be the one who reveals it all? We must be pretty far down the ladder for that to happen.

I'm more and more thinking they're not telling us because it's a load of bollocks

Yep, they're all lying.

It's not that they're lying, it's that they're wrong about what they saw.

I was always a fan of the Jacques Vallee school of 'ultraterrestrials' or whatever you want to call them
They didn't come from Nebulon V, they were always here, as djinns or ghosts of faeries etc... not nut & bolt spaceships from far away

So I don't doubt these witnesses have seen something... just not what we think

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pKW8HuglkU (Obama: aliens are real - which he walked back later, he meant that the universe is so big, there has to be life elsewhere)

2.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/OA97Xmvk4q (Trump, accidentally spilling the beans: Obama gave you classified information! Which I don't know anything about)

3. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-is-directing-the-pentagon-to-release-files-related-to-ufos-and-aliens/ar-AA1WHnJa

the FOIA man wants to help

Dear Secretary @PeteHegseth @SecWar,

I’ve investigated records originating from your agency for decades. I have documented proof going back many years, with citable FOIA case numbers, that should show you exactly where to look for highly classified UAP records withheld from the…

— John Greenewald, Jr. (@theblackvault) February 20, 2026