A question for those whom have never known snow...

Having grown up in Minnesota and leaving in a week for a second season of ski bumming, snow is a real staple with me. Like potatoes and beer.

a) snowballs are just compacted ice and they hurt
b) snow deadens sound

everything else I pretty much expected

That really depends on how wet and dense the snow is.

Yes, but this early in the year, you've probably only seen icy snow. January snow is fluff.

b) snow deadens sound

Yes, but at the same time cold air is denser and carries sound farther. So you get this weird effect where the world is totally quiet, except for the sound of a train a mile away.

In general, I do not like cold weather.

Kenan, thank you, though I wouldn't say that "heat is bad for you" -- I'd say that "TOO MUCH heat is bad for you".

It's funny, when I lived in NYC it seemed the natives complained about the cold more than Texans complained about the heat. And I really didn't think it was that cold - no more so than a TX winter. Didn't see a whole lot of snow up there either, not like I'd imagine Boston or Colorado or Nebrasksa or something where they get feet of snow.

hee hee... would you hate me if I told you I was watching it snow right now?

I once sat next to a woman from Hawaii at a conference who had never seen it snowing. She said to me, "I should be paying attention to the lecture but I've never seen it snow..." I assured her she was doing the right thing.

Here, winter seems to be annoying to me as it's this little fucking-freezing bit of weeks before it's short-sleeved weather again. If I have enough time to settle into my mittens it's not so bad.

like the time i was snowed in for four days... was unfun.

-- J-rock (juice_rock...), December 1st, 2004.

The wrong-est.

I've lived in snow and cold like you read about. MN --> NH --> CO --> MN --> CO

Still love it. The only that drags is the length (x-post). And, really, the more snow you get the warmer it is.... Minnepop (and NE and Boston) don't get snow so much as they get ice and bitter-kill-you cold.

Trump card: In junior high I had to go to school when it was -90 F (w/wind chill). They closed school the next day just because the collective ire of the Parents was so destructive.

The harshness of a winter is relative to each person based on what they've been accustomed to. A 60 degree day now would feel warm, in June, cold. Same thing.

Isn't it, though? So pretty as it falls. It's starting to stick, too... 2 to 4 inches by morning.

I kind of realized that to those with little snow experience; snow = lovely & picturesque, something to appreciate for its beauty.
But to those who(m) have become accustomed it and what it brings; snow = chaos & pain, something to fear!

we all suck and are bitches.

For me, heat will always trump cold because in few parts of the country does heat hurt. Sure, you can suffer heat stroke and heat exhaustion, but rarely by just standing around, and even in hot parts of the country those aren't usual risks for a typical summer day. Waiting for the bus in sub-zero weather, bundled up like that kid from A Christmas Story, and still in pain because of how cold the air is when I inhale? Dud. But that's just the "I hate being covered in sweat after walking to the mailbox" analogue; ultimately there is not much objective to say about weather except to note that it happens.

We had quite a good snowfall about three years ago, really thick and heavy and the best I've seen in my lifetime.

Last year Kev and I went 'snowchasing' and ended up in a carpark in Aberfoyle doing handbrake turns in the two inches of snow. We were only about thirty miles from home but even as we drove back towards Glasgow the snow was disappearing.

How do you make snow cream?

Give it a blow-job fnar fnar.

I don't think I could live without snow. Like rain, the sea, wind etc. It's good that I live in Scotland.

It's both to me. Sometimes simultaneously.

I'm with Tep re: The Heat vs. The Cold. In addition to what he said, The Cold is more soul-destroying than heat. Heat makes you lazy and tired and sweaty. Cold makes you want to kick God in the balls with cleats. I don't know how it is elsewhere, but here it's cloudy 4 out of 5 days in the winter. That coupled with The Cold makes one miserable. In Phoenix in July, the heat is oppressive but at least it's sunny. Sunshine does me good. I spent a good deal of time in Phoenix during the summer months, helped my sister move when it was 113F. It did suck, but not as much as the time I helped her move back to Chicago and it took me half an hour to get the lock off the back of the truck because it was frozen. In a Phoenix summer, the night provides a bit of a respite. Still hot, but you could go for a hike or a stroll without too much discomfort. In a Chicago winter, it's cold as fuck during the day, and EVEN COLDER at night. Fuck this shit.

but doesn't being angry have more soul than being lazy??

(but yes of course if you did manage to kick god's balls, he'd damn well really destroy your soul)

Funny, oops.

xpost yeah that would be ideal. nice place to visit, etc.

In Chicago, people are the same way. Those going way too fast tend to be SUVs and others who have 4 wheel drive, which helps you get going in the snow but doesn't help at all when braking, genius.

I believe it. We're getting ice and snow about 3-4 weeks earlier this year than last. I do remember having to walk from one side of the loop to the other when it was -8 outside, and that sucked, but it was just the one day.

Ice skating is fun, though, right?

"A question for those WHOM snow has never known"

So here in Austin, Texas we're getting our first taste of real snow since about 1985. It's pretty! There's enough to go sledding! Or flattened cardboard boxing, since nobody around here owns a sled. And surprise, our infrastructure can't handle the sudden power demand! Who would have guessed... flipping the feds the bird by refusing to connect the state to the national power grid has come back to bite us. Don't worry, the Governor will blame it on wind power or all the liberals here in Austin turning on their avocado toasters at the same time.

I always forget how wet the stuff is.

Enjoy it while it lasts!

fuck snow

my question for these people would be, can i switch places with you

little flakes of death

5° in Houston tomorrow

My mom has been without power for 18 hours and I can’t get her to let me bring her and her dogs to my apartment because she’s afraid to leave her house unattended.

She’s got two dogs, a lot of comforters and I bought her 10 cases of logs (as useless as they are overall) so I think she’ll be okay but all of this stress has had me on the verge of puking for four days now.

Enjoy it while it lasts!

fuck snow

point, counterpoint.

the snow is pretty but what a shitshow this state is... I'd like to be sitting on my couch, but my friend lost power and her apartment is about 38 degrees inside now, so I gotta drive over and pick her up so she doesn't freeze to death. not looking forward to the drive.

so sorry to hear that about your mom, milo, and your friend, f. hazel. i have a friend in austin who ended up checking into a hotel, even though that makes her worry about COVID. libertarian influence on government in this country is so bleak.

i always take it for granted that in the northeast we have the infrastructure to withstand heavy snow - hope everyone gets through ok.

woke up to 14" this morning, thought it looked very pretty from inside the house. got a swift comeuppance for my smugness with a near heart attack shoveling the front steps.

In the Northeast you have a lot of overground utilties going to semi-rural/exurban areas like where my parents live in Connecticut; so wind, snow or ice bringing down power lines is a constant threat.

We've got about eight or nine inches out there... and it's 10º.

Another five or six inches is supposed to fall tonight. It's crazy.

We've had an insane run of snow since the last weekend in January, resulting in well over 30" of snow in the low areas in our yard. Just since Sunday night we've gotten about 19 additional inches (though I've seen some estimates nearby that go up to as much as 21"). Simply running out of places to put the snow we've shoveled at this point, there are drifts in our front yard that are well above my waist.,

We've had a ton of snow in WI as well, and it's been getting down to -10', but it's more or less business as usual here.

News in Houston is so sad, bunch of stories about people accidentally gasing themselves or setting fires trying to stay warm.

xpost - I mean, this round wouldn't even rank in the top 5 snowstorms we had and we've definitely had colder snaps, but the combination of extreme cold days and snow after snow is somewhat unusual for us. If we get measurable snowfall tomorrow, it will set a new record for most continuous days of measurable snowfall.

Definitely places that have it far worse.

My GF's brother is in McKinney TX, the high yesterday was like 3*. I asked if it was C or F, I've never been in weather that cold in my life.

friend rescued, we even stopped at a 7-11 that was open on the way back and stocked up on junk food and wine so it's festive (as long as my power holds out). driving wasn't as bad as I thought (although still wildly unsafe, mostly due to people in SUVs and trucks that seem to think gunning it is the way to deal with not being able to get up an icy hill).

3/4 of my friends have been sitting in the dark and cold without power for over 24 hours now, all over the state. some of 'em have gas stoves so they can at least make coffee. stay warm everyone!

wonder how many tech workers who were planning on leaving California for Texas are reconsidering their plans rn ... 55F and partly cloudy ... it drizzled a bit the other day

or rather, to use the term from the place I lived where I did get to know snow -- it was "Providencing"

I'm also in Austin. My electricity has been out for over 36 hours and it looks like we are getting at least another night of this. This was clusterfuck I was not anticipating at all.

iving wasn't as bad as I thought (although still wildly unsafe, mostly due to people in SUVs and trucks that seem to think gunning it is the way to deal with not being able to get up an icy hill)

when i lived in north carolina it snowed a half-inch or so once or twice, and i still remember how all the cars that were spun out onto shoulders or into ditches were always the gigantic 4WD monster machines, apparently driven by people who had no idea how to actually use them in adverse driving conditions.

there's a main north-south artery here called Lamar Boulevard which has a curved incline between 24th and 29th streets, and it was just littered with spun out cars on the shoulders. and people were seeing the like eight beached cars and still not turning around! then a big truck came spinning down the southbound lane caroming off the cars scattered along the shoulders, that was enough to get everyone waiting for their attempt to crest the hill to say "fuck this" and turn around.

and yeah, Moodles... freezing rain coming after midnight until morning, that's going to turn the roads into complete chaos

We've had a ton of snow in WI as well, and it's been getting down to -10', but it's more or less business as usual here.

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it was like 30 all January, I kinda figured we were gonna pay for it

every time it snows I lose 2 more inches off my driveway. I'm running out of room here

You Yankees should've seen me trying to kick the snow out of my driveway today. Then I got the (non-snow) shovel out, which was about as helpful as a tablespoon.

Finally, I got the big janitor's broom out, swept the snow off the Honda and called it a day.

Lost power at 5:30 PM, and it seems like afterwards that also happened to everyone I know on Facebook.

I spent two hours in Walmart getting an air mattress for my mom and as I was being rung up she called to say her power just came back on.

Complete hell on Earth in there, shocked I didn’t see anyone throw a punch about line cutting or anything.

The 11-year-old boy wanted to go to Home Depot to get a sled.

I think he was impressed by my vivid reply about "how are we going to get there?" and "do you really think they still have any sleds left back there?"

now have a nice layer of ice coating everything from a night of freezing rain... still have power and water though!

Got my power back a little while ago. I can see my breath inside!

I just shoveled out my long inclined driveway with a garden shovel

just spent hours digging in the ice and dirt to find the water shutoff valve for a unit in my condo complex with a burst pipe. watching a waterfall sprouting out of the side of my building was an unsettling feeling.

No water, shocked at how long it takes to melt a pot of snow.

Weirdly last night I dreamt I was in a house where pipes in the walls/ceiling were bursting and flooding shit.

Then this morning I read in the news somewhere this has been happening to some ppl.

Texas' lieutenant governor said older Texans should sacrifice themselves to the coronavirus to save the economy.

Rick Perry says Texans should be willing to freeze to death to preserve an unregulated power grid.

Texas politicians keep demanding human sacrifices and it's weird. https://t.co/C3i5nNOVwt

— Ashton Pittman (@ashtonpittman) February 17, 2021

Choosing an electric plan in Texas is the only shopping experience worse and more incomprehensible than picking an ACA plan.

No water, shocked at how long it takes to melt a pot of snow.

had one of those "i cant believe this is 2021 america" moments this morning reading a how-to article in the ny times about 'tips for more effectively melting snow to get drinking water'. (I guess the trick is to melt a small amount of snow and get it boiling and add more snow to the boiling water.)

The Dallas Morning News with its Letters to the Editor section... I'm sure all those cold Texan hearts will be warmed by this friendly missive from The Great White North:

Canadian sends advice

I am writing from Ottawa, Canada, with great sympathy for Texans struggling with the cold, topped off by power failures. Make sure to leave the taps in your house running at a trickle to prevent the water in the pipes from freezing and rupturing the pipes. Bundle up and stay together; you’re in our thoughts.

Our thoughts... and our prayers!

The pipes thing is decent advice, though. I wouldn't think pipes were in danger of freezing at the temps they've got in Texas, but then I don't know how the lack of insulation in the houses there would affect things, so it's worth being aware of.

CANADIAN SENDS ADVICE - three words guaranteed to make any texan sit up an take notice

(tbc i didnt mean my earlier post as snark lol ppl dont know how to melt snow, but amazed that usa citizens are so ill-served that national papers are running articles on how to get potable water)

xp to myself: never mind, I just saw some photos, pipes are definitely freezing.

Most houses have pipes in exterior walls here and no insulation at all. Nothing's buried very deeply either. "Freeze" usually means overnight temps drop to around 28-30 for a couple hours, not like the past 72 hours where it drops into the teens and stays there. We had single-digit temps on Monday and Tuesday... I've never seen that happen here ever.

When I was outside struggling with the burst pipes in our complex, the same thing was happening at two other complexes adjacent to mine. Once everything thaws all the buildings here are going to turn into sprinklers.

From what I've read, a lot of water lines run in attics in Texas too, which certainly doesn't help.

my power is back on. Just boiled up a bunch of water, but it sounds like the water treatment plants are back online, so hopefully the boil notice won't last long.

My main concern at the moment is that a pipe in the bathroom seems to be leaking, which caused a bunch of water to go into the adjacent closet. I'm doing what I can to dry out the carpet in the closet and not using the bathroom at this point. The water doesn't seem to be spreading beyond that, so it isn't clear how severe this is, but I'm at a loss for what else I can do to deal with it. As far as I can tell, no plumber is going to be available any time soon, and shutting off the water line seems like overkill.

if there's a leak you can't stop, I'd turn off your water line. even a small leak will cause major havoc if you let it go for a couple days.

the issue is that leaves me with no water indefinitely

as best as I can tell, no plumber is showing up until some time in March

yeah, no good choices... that sucks.

I obviously have no idea how your place it laid out Moodles, but any chance there is a shutoff just for that bathroom? Some houses have branch lines that can be turned off to isolate a bathroom without shutting down service for the whole place. But that's not the case everywhere and it might inaccessible, just a suggestion. If you can possible visually trace the line anywhere, you might find another shut off point.

read this as "sorrow" at first, and was really intrigued to see if anyone would identify as not having known sorrow

unfortunately there isn't anything obviously visible

Sorry, just a hopeful thought.

Water pipes on the exterior of buildings boggles my mind, and I live only one state over.

An Australian relative was telling me once how he was trying to figure out something with his pipes because they were on the west side of his house and his water got hot in the afternoons. I was all WHAT.

I don't know how water gets to my upstairs toilet – maybe some sort of paternoster system – but I know at least that it's not snaking up the side of my house.

Within the exterior walls, not actually on the outside of the wall. It usually doesn't get cold enough here for those "exterior" pipes to freeze, because you've still got the house's heating system overcoming the mild cold outside. This week we had a fatal combination of extended freezing temps far below what we usually see plus widespread power outages.

(also many homes here have electric heating only, no gas or oil except for maybe water heaters)

shutoff for the bathroom could be in the basement. i would call a plumber to see if they can tell you where it might be even if they can't come out right now. could save you a lot of trouble and $ in the future. like your bathtub falling through the ceiling as in breaking bad!

we don't have basements here! as f. hazel was saying, I believe the tub that is against the exterior wall is the culprit.

I've had frozen pipes in Georgia and Oregon and both times the problem was a pipe within an exterior, noninsulated wall

I worked on a gut and remodel of a Craftsman-style bungalow, when we got to tearing off the exterior walls, the insulation was torn up newspaper from the '20s.

Tons of houses like that in Houston and Dallas - in the Sun Belt boom areas, the situation is less dire with houses built later.

Yeah my house growing up in AU had external pipes, or at least exposed and in the garage.

Even we once had blocked pipes due to a freezing winter (about -10C). But only the once.

...and we're back to sunny and highs in the upper 60s. it's beautiful outside, which belies how deeply traumatized people are.

only a 60 degree shift in less than a week, no biggie. It is very strange how it's just gone, but there's a lot left to do to get back to fully functioning.

I think the rapid shifts increase the psychological weight - it happens every lesser winter storm, everyone is dazed for a few days because it so quickly ramps back into being nice. This time I'm seeing so many people with a thousand yard stare.

Yeah, and after a year of COVID a lot of people went into this with not much left in the tank. And having your own home turn into hostile territory after months of being your sole refuge just breaks your brain.

I checked my receipts, and it looks like I started planning for this on the 7th, I bought a bunch of firewood and placed a big HEB curbside order for the 10th. At the time it seemed like overkill, now I'm glad I did it since I ended up hosting a guest for four days. My hands are still all torn to shit from digging in the ice for water shutoff valves.

And this was a statewide disaster event, unlike a hurricane, which just pounds the coastal areas but generally falls apart into rain and minor wind incidents by the time they get to Austin or DFW.