I bought a racist belt today

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it says "the south will rise again" and has a civil war flag.

i didn't really know what it meant until just now. I just thought it looked cool, and thought maybe i could apply it to rap music.

it wasn't cheap either, unlike racism.

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Hari, you are awesome.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

take the power back!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

oh shit i meant Fight the Power! i was getting my PE mixed up with Rage Against the Machine. how uncool of me.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

is it possible to wear this ironically?

i'm kind of scared my dads gonna see it and be all like "WHAT?!?!" (He's black)

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

Places that belt might not be offensive:

New Zealand
Mars

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

round my waist and beneath my clothes?

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

tell him that it's about the potency and virility of your family and his genes

― Carl Winslow and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Please note, Hari, a racist belt will only hold up racist pants.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Do you have any kids? You could use it as, you know, your The Belt belt.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

I feel an extra twinge of shame everytime i look toward my groin now.

my penis is being opressed.

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

xpost Perfect for beating kids and hound dogs alike!

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Roxymuzac [2:49 PM]: haha i see you started a thread.
deadite alright [2:49 PM]: i ALWAYS start a thread
Roxymuzac [2:49 PM]: true

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Places that belt might not be offensive:
New Zealand
Mars

-- Huk-L (handsomishbo...), January 5th, 2005.

the southeastern united states, sadly:-(

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

is it possible to wear this ironically?
i'm kind of scared my dads gonna see it and be all like "WHAT?!?!" (He's black)

Think of it as stylish subversion.

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

i just realised, i also bought an armband that says "CAPTAIN" (like one in a football/soccer match).

i can't wear both of these together or people might think i'm captain of the racists.

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Do racists have captains? Are they like the Navy or something?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

USHER is LAMAR

― Carl Winslow and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Do racists have captains? Are they like the Navy or something?

I dunno, but they have grand wizards.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

The SS had captains, surely.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

captains and obergruppenfuhrers and other weird German names.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

All you need is some sexist epaulets and ageist cutlass!

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Places that belt might not be offensive:

New Zealand
Mars

South Carolina

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Antartica!

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure some people in South Carolina would take offense.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

just buy a nice white kkk robe, let your dad find it, and then the belt will seem like nothing.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

i think im going to change it so it says "the south will rap again" and put a small lil' jon head on each star of the flag.

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

My girlfriend and I were driving through Eau Claire, Wisconsin the other day when I noticed a storefront that said "NORTHERN SAFARI: Army/Navy."

Sounded a bit, um, suspicious to me.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

So yeah, you can probably wear it to Eau Claire.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I want to start a tract house subdivision in Eau Claire called 'De la Lune'.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure some people in South Carolina would take offense.
-- hstencil (hstenc!...), January 5th, 2005

ever been here?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

You would take some offense, no?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Probably take it in stride, I'd guess. Par for the course.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

You see this all the time all over the south, and "offense" is kinda the wrong word. That implies some kind of umbrage. It's more, *sigh*.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

I have been to SC, and yeah, didn't some people march against the flag at the statehouse there?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the sensible people. all 30 of em.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

What, exactly, do you mean by some people? Is that a slur, sir?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

xpost, aw hell.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

south carolina suxxxx is all i'm saying really.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

don't take it out on us because you live there, bud.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

ahhaah ok

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/17/sc.flag/

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

I bought a homophobic watch today! Instead of giving the time, it refuses to recognize gay marriage!

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

why not get a swastika and be oh so even more totally subversive! wow you are so cool!

― DVD (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

then you can make snidey comments about daringly wearing a 'racist symbol' today and be even more cool!!!!!!!!!!!!

― DVD (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

The South will rise again, after it finishes restoring the Camaro in the back yard.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

I've got cufflinks that hate fat people.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

Oh, like your ottoman wasn't a veiled reference to Nazism!

xpost

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

Why stop with a belt?

http://www.cellularfactory.com/img/products/9510a.jpg

http://www.dixiememories.com/clothing/images/socks.jpg

http://confederatewarehouse.com/mc1860.jpg

http://www.armynavyshop.com/closeups/rc652.jpg

(I kinda like the whisky flask, but I can't figure out why you'd put a Condefederate money clip around a wad of Yankee dollars.)

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

it wasn't cheap either, unlike racism.

This sentence is still awesome.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

and a facist tie.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

you people and your race specific things

― Carl Winslow and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

What are those on top?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

cell phone cover?

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

I don't think that belt is necessarily racist, just full of Southern pride. Racist apparel would be more like the shirt I saw for sale in South Carolina (when I lived there) which had a huge confederate flag on it and said, "YOU WEAR YOUR X, I'LL WEAR MINE." This was for sale IN A MALL.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

I'm just a hateful bastard, I don't need CLOTHES to prove it.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

http://tiedyes.com/teeshirtimages/happyfacetee.gif

A facist tie.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Places that belt might not be offensive:

Vice magazine offices.

DO's:

There's nothing more fuckable than someone who accidentally buys a racist belt. It's like a starchild born to be thrown something too hot to handle and is forced to deal with it to prove superhuman powers later. Fashion leaders will be licking this person's genitals in negative time.

― donut christ (donut), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Yes, cellphone covers.

Sometimes I have fun with my little google searches, but this thread stopped me cold.

http://www.barberandcompany.com/prodimg/lg/4318.jpg

Yeesh. I wish the mean people would let go of my Jesus.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

I don't think that belt is necessarily racist, just full of Southern pride.

that's... well, without getting too far into it, let me just say, potato potahto.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

whiteredneckracistsouthernprideandhistorywithinonemeresymbol.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

This is like my belt-buckle that has the shape of Eritrea and then it says "Independent Nation (FOR THE TIME BEING)." Or my t-shirt with the off-color joke about Somali women.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

OMG NABISCO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

I don't think that cakes are neccessarily fattening, just full of sugar and carbs!

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

why not get a swastika and be oh so even more totally subversive! wow you are so cool!
-- DVD (dickvandyke300...), January 5th, 2005.

http://www.punk77.co.uk/graphics/sidswastika.JPG http://www.punk77.co.uk/graphics/sidswastika.JPG

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Somali jokes are the best.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

I've got a belt buckle imploring people to vote against gun legislation in some 1982 Colorado plebiscite.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

http://www.punk77.co.uk/graphics/nazi1.JPG

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

I once saw a bumper sticker that said "I ONLY HUNT WHITE TAIL", which I would've assumed meant white-tail deer, except that there was a silhouette of a lady's ass behind the words.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

That Eritrea thing just made me laugh a sparkling yellow booger onto my monitor, you.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

it sounds like a good motivational present for impotent men.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

I once saw a bumper sticker that said "I ONLY HUNT WHITE TAIL", which I would've assumed meant white-tail deer, except that there was a silhouette of a lady's ass behind the words.

It works on so many levels.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

I'm not pro-confederate flag. And I was completely against the c flag flying above the SC statehouse. I just don't think that everyone who has the flag in some way/shape/form is a racist or sees the flag as a symbol of racism. It's not the banner of the KKK or anything.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

it sounds like a good motivational present for impotent men.

Especially racist impotent men.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

Sparkling booger?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

I just don't think that everyone who has
the flag in some way/shape/form is a racist or sees the flag as a symbol of racism. It's not the banner of the KKK or anything.

Like the Duke boys, weren't they actually Jewish?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

I've been tooting coke that was cut with GLITTER, okay.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

Your search - "Is John Schneider Jewish?" - did not match any documents.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

I've been tooting coke that was cut with GLITTER, okay.

How glam!!!

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/News/9809/10/showbuzz/gary.glitter.jpg

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.seykota.com/tribe/FAQ/2003_Sep/Sep_21-27/can_o_worms.jpg

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

hahahaha!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

http://www.dandylionrecords.com/tptb.jpg

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

I understand that since many people DO see the confederate flag as a sign of racism, it's a dangerous symbol. Anyone who flies it is asking for trouble. And, I'll admit "THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN" is an idiotic slogan of redneckers. But, I think it's important to remember that the flag does not mean the same thing to everyone.

I'm just digging myself a grave here. I'm from the South. The flag is a part of our history.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

fr33 republ1c is scary

― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

Also, I've been watching "Gone With the Wind" again. There, I said it.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

nono, you're way OTM. I would think of the flag as a symbol for states rightists before I'd think of it as a symbol for racists.

― mouse (mouse), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

oh jeez.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

I am offended, too. Too bad we can't send your post to the complainers.
Any "ministry" needs to be teaching something biblical and what is coming out of this one is political bias. I'd like to send them a list of Bible teachings which he needs to inculcate into those children to insulate them from their learned behavioral reactions to legitimate historical flags.

― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

From June, 2002

"...The marching flag, emblazoned with the name of the 28th Virginia Infantry, was captured in 1863 by Marshall Sherman, a private in the Minnesota First Volunteer Regiment.

Now Minnesota is defying a demand from the government that, all being fair in love and war, it should be returned to Virginia.

Last week Brig-Gen John Brown, head of the US army's Centre of Military History in Washington, said the flag - at present held by the Minnesota Historical Society - belongs to the federal government and should be put on display in a new army museum in Virginia.

"We believe the status of the flag is loaned," he said in a letter to the members of the Virginia Congress. "By law, the proper custodian of the flag is the War Department - now the United States army. We intend that the flag be returned."

A spokesman for the Minnesota Historical Society said this week: "We do not consider Gen Brown's opinion a legal ruling. We do not anticipate following his suggestion that we turn over the flag to the army museum proposed in Virginia."

Last year a request for the flag to be given back was rejected by a vote of a Minnesota Senate committee.

Jesse Ventura, the forthright former wrestler who is governor of Minnesota, has robust views on the matter. When the Virginia Senate pleaded for the flag's return two years ago, he said: "Why? I mean, we won."

The only thing I ever liked about Ventura and I love the irony of the Gen. being named John Brown.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

http://www.proudrebel.com/rebel/Mvc-371f_flag_hank.jpg

The day young Skynard died / We'd show our Southern pride...

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

To: rave123
honestly , I cant believe your still out of the loop about that. It's pretty much common knowledge by now that M.L.K was sleeping with prostitutes and had stole most of his work. you must have been worshiping at the altar of saint Martin at your local government school to long. Also have you never seen the movie barbershop, Icecube got in hot water with Jesse"racebaiter"Jackson over bringing out that truth.
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― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

"If the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either." -- Trent Lott

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

The flag is a part of our history.

But not a proud part! That seems to be what people don't get.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

well, that and the "our."

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

I cant believe your still out of the loop about that

You know, my still's been out of the loop for awhile, too. I'll try to have a new batch of shine made next week with my uncle's tub before next week.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

posts like this remind me just how white ILX really is.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

(to K): True.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

"OUR" as in American History, hstencil.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

my fave thing about that bocephus tune is where he posits instead of buying cars made in china we'd buy cars made in north carolina.

― blount, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

It's a funny thing, the Civil War. One of the first things I noticed when I moved north was that suddenly there were things named after Abraham Lincoln. I'd never even thought of it before. Of course you should name things after Lincoln! He was fucking amazing!

Do pennies piss southerners off?

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

yeah, well sorry Sarah I was just sort of illustrating this point you made earlier:

I think it's important to remember that the flag does not mean the same thing to everyone.

Noting that is kinda negated by then stating:

I'm from the South. The flag is a part of our history.

But yeah whatever, no need for me to lecture.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Do pennies piss southerners off?

No, but my father refuses to carry any fifties.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

Pennies should piss everyone off because they are pointless currency now, not because of the face on them.

I'll try to have a new batch of shine made next week with my uncle's tub before next week

Yes, can we please turn this thread into an unabashed attack on Southern US stereotypes? Because, as we all know, that's really the main issue facing us when discussion of the Confederate flag comes up. And clearly all southerners view the Civil War in the same way.

AS someone born in Virginia and raised in Nashville, I would like to send a big "fuck all y'all" to all y'all.

Fuck all y'all.

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

If people wanna study history, I'm all for it. For instance, I'd like to own a copy of the Encyclopedia of the South, which has a confederate flag on the cover. Though somehow I think there's a difference between that book and a t-shirt or a beltbuckle.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

martin there's southerners all over this thread, including pleasant plains (arkansas is at least as southern as virginia)(more so even: sec vs. acc)!

― blount, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Nah, I know pleasant plains is southern... I still don't like the stereotypes rolling out, even if the intention is sarcastic. It's just not worth it IMO.

I dunno shit about SEC vs ACC, but I do know that I don't want to get into any arguments about the relative southerness of Arkansas and Virginia.

Fuck all y'all, dammit!

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

haha stop saying "y'all" then!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

there's a guy i used to run into around town and i'd make small talk with (it's a SMALL TOWN folx!), anyhow i ran into a few weeks back and he had on this t-shirt that had this cartoon figure on it kinda like the nebraska cornhusker (closest comparison i can make though really not that close), wearing a civil war type cap with a lil confederate insig on it, bent over and flipping a bird and below it in large letters "RAP THIS!" and i remember thinking 'awww fuck you're a racist', which was confirmed a few weeks later when he put forth the theory that the falcons would be better without vick. i find it difficult to talk to this man at all now.

― blount, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

yeah, well sorry Sarah I was just sort of illustrating this point you made earlier:
I think it's important to remember that the flag does not mean the same thing to everyone.
Noting that is kinda negated by then stating:
I'm from the South. The flag is a part of our history.

hstencil, You're right about that. I'm just very defensive of the South/Southerners. I regretted that post after hitting submit.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Sling Blade was not a good movie, in retrospect.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

Sarah's kind of right here that there's an element of keeping the flag alive that's essentially just regionalist and more widely cultural than having anything specifically to do with slavery or race relations in particular; all of which is of course generally jumbled up with everything less-pretty about the South that the flag represents; and trying to make black-and-white distinctions about the two things strikes me as a fool’s game, because they’re just inextricably tangled up in one another. Hell, there are plenty of black people who are old-school enough to have fondness for that flag; conversely there’s a huge and visible group of people for whom racism is an integral part of what they get out of that flag as a symbol. Never will these two things be cleanly separated out from one another.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

Martin, I hate southern stereotypes as well. I just thought that the guy quoted as saying "I cant believe your still out of the loop about that..." was grammatically funny.

I don't want to get into any arguments about the relative southerness of Arkansas and Virginia.

Hey now! I'm not the one talking about southern relatives! Seems to me that pot is calling the kettle ... oh, nevermind.

:-)

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Do pennies piss southerners off?

I read this as "penises."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

that's nothing... someone on another thread read "sandwiches" as "penises."

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

So did I, but I didn't want to say anything.
xpost (or is it)

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm just very defensive of the South/Southerners

Nothing wrong with that Sarah. I mean there's a good many reasons to be defensive in a lot of contexts. Shit, I remember being so pissed with the South when I left for college that I couldn't wait until I got to Pennsylvania for school. Then, after maybe a week of hearing New Yorkers, Pennsylvanians, and folks from CT and NJ saying shit to me like "You're from Tennessee? You don't sound southern," I started getting more and more defensive about it, and I think for good reason (even if the best solution would have been to just take it on the chin and recognize that most of those people weren't trying to make any commentary about the South with their comments in the first place).

haha stop saying "y'all" then!

Man, that's not a jab at a stereotype. That's how I talk!

Hey now! I'm not the one talking about southern relatives!

Yeah yeah I know... Phone call on line two, Mr. Kettle... It's a Mr. Pot. ;)

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

I thought I was pissed with the South when I moved up north to escape far right conservative christian VALUES, but it turns out those people are EVERYWHERE.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

I was in Buford, Georgia last week and I liked it.

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

yeah there's the element of regional pride and fighting agin the forces of national hegemony, anti-carpetbagger sentiment, etc. at play (cf. bumper sticker: "We Don't Care How You Did It UP NORTH"), but even this should be regarded with suspiscion cuz it still is tied into race alot of the time. the easy getout many (including myself if just trying to keep the conversation civil) is to say 'o gee maybe the symbol isn't inherently racist but it's been claimed by racists and tainted after the fact due to its association with the klan, etc'; this is bullshit - alot of people who've flown the stars and bars may not have had racist intentions at all but it's still a racist symbol and has been since appamatox (god i can't spell), long before throwing it on a state flag/flagpole became the ike era southern statehouse equiv of flipping the bird and saying "RAP THIS!".

martin have you read absalom! absalom! ?

― blount, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

x-post (Sorry for the shouting, ha ha)

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

also, i'm english and live in the south of england.

(which explains my ignorance on the subject)

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

Sarah, I think it's just your workplace. I seriously wouldn't know where to find any conservative Christians in Chicago.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

andre wears a confederate flag belt buckle in the ms. jackson video (ie. your problems have just begun my friend).

― blount, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

x-post Yeah, Chicago pretty much rules.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Well, that was fun.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Sarah, God give you the strength accept the things you cannot change, and the strength to find a better job.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

oh man

so i'm either an outkast fan or a racist.

what is worse?

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

(joke)

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

nope I haven't read that blount... perhaps I should.

I do think I need to point out that a) the character in which I tend to post is far more mysanthropic than I really am (the "fuck all y'alls were not supposed to be heartfelt and serious), and b) the confederate flag pisses me off for a number of reasons, not the least of which are its racist associations.

I know what Sarah means about the conservative Christian bunk being everywhere too. In fact I'd up the ante a bit more and say that racism is just as apparent and fucked up everywhere. But either way, I'd have to admit that they are both slightly different in the South. Better or worse, I dunno and won't pretend to posit a theory, but they do manifest themselves differently.

(big xpost)

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.javelinamx.com/carstars/bandit7.jpg

OT: I still can't believe that Bandit is going to play Boss Hogg in that new Dukes movie.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

it's like in clockwork orange when the droogs become cops!!!

― blount, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

Or in The Young Ones when Neil does.

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Sarah, I think it's just your workplace. I seriously wouldn't know where to find any conservative Christians in Chicago.

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...) (webmail), January 5th, 2005 9:37 PM. (jaymc) (link)

at an evangelical church???

but yeah, i don't run into them very often. my most recent encounter was at the bagel store, funny enough.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

i grew up in iowa, and now live in urban minnesota, and i've seen the confederate flag plenty, tshirts, pickup truck windows, sure. not to the same degree as anywhere in the actual south i'm sure, but plenty enuf. cos as a symbol OUTSIDE the south, now, it has a picked up a kind of corrollary meaning beyond (but not excluding) the crypto- or sumberged-racist regional cultural stuff: it means a general "working-class real man country-music beer'n'subwoofers (WHITE) badass."

since it's a semi-outlawed symbol it has local semantic power even up north, and it gets aired in that same cultural no-go zone that connects jesse ventura, jeff foxworthy, "falling down," all kinds of shit.

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes hip British bands will proudly display a neon sign version of the Confederate Flag on their album cover!

― donut christ (donut), Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

http://ubl.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drf500/f541/f54188nfq14.jpg

"GV P BT DNT GV T!"

― donut christ (donut), Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

As a Southerner I see no redeeming qualities to the confederate flag at all. And while I'm not offended every time I (often) see it, my estimation of the person sporting/displaying it takes a nosedive. But to think that you can bandy it about in an ironic sense well that is offensive.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

Being from near Naseby, I want to bandy around some Puritan imagery. Any ideas?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

shoot Ronan?

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

I had a friend in high school that owned, and wore, a confederate belt.
He lived his whole life in Ontario.
He wasn't racist in the slightest; to him I think it was more of a symbol of the ""working-class real man..." thing.
He was also an ignorant idiot.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, you see dudes all the time in like Sonoma County who've lived in CA their whole life and have a confederate flag sticker in the back window of their black pickup truck that they drive around Rohnert Park blasting Metallica in. It's a basic goon thing. They all have "No Fear", Calvin pissing and sometimes an NRA or "Buy A Gun, Piss Off A Liberal" type stickers as well.

― Steely Zan (AaronHz), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

These guys usually have mullets too, no joke.

― Steely Zan (AaronHz), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

yeah, that's the nasty thing, the flag's power is that it's clearly understood as a symbol of resistance to some non-white, non-male, non-violent, non-fun ruling order. anyway, tom frank to thread...

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Driving to my grandparents' rural home shortly after 9/11, I saw several yards that displayed the Confederate flag right next to the U.S. flag. YOU CAN'T BE BOTH, PEOPLE

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

how many classic rock stations have bumpers that consist of 4 seconds of a fake "gangsta rap" song, followed by a gunshot?

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

g--ff, the resistance also extended to northern whites, whom Civil War-era southerners despised just as much as (if not more than) blacks.

The flag is basically just upholding the ideal of the "southern way of life" (which of course is rooted in the racist/sectionalist/"Anthenian white culture" ideals of the antebellum South.)

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

well i don't mean to be curt (ha ha) but we're talking about what the flag does today for dudes who live in suburban california and minnesota!! flag's meaning in the south: well documented.

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

how many classic rock stations have bumpers that consist of 4 seconds of a fake "gangsta rap" song, followed by a gunshot?

Well, it wouldn't be any station that plays Skynard since they were proponents of gun control.

Seriously, I've heard that bumper with a record suddenly scratching, but a gunshot?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

also, i'm english and live in the south of england.
(which explains my ignorance on the subject)

Sadly there are still plenty of americans who are ignorant on this subject. On the issue of cross-cultural taboos, what's the deal with Maoist and Stalinist imagery? I have a bunch of old Russian and Chinese propaganda posters which I used to display because some are great pieces of design and some are great kitsch. I eventually came to realize how bad this looked when my Russian landlord came over and now they're all hidden away in a closet somewhere. Am I like one of those creeps who collects Nazi memorabilia? Some of the Russian posters are merely illustrations of events during the revolution with comical anti-tzar cartoons. Those seem like they might be ok to hang but I'm still unsure.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

DIN DAA DAA DIN DO DO

(sorry walter, i just wanted to say that, everyone carry on)

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

six months pass...

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/2945/confedgirl2jz.jpg

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

What's wrong with being ~~sexy~~ racy?

― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Gawd. Just imagine if the South had actually won.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

HERITAGE NOT HATE GRAAAH;AAPAIOJFA@#!@#@!!@*$%&)*

― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

If the south had won, then that would be the flag of their scenic little tourist-friendly nation, and so it's a safe bet that they'd feel a lot more neutral and unbothered about it. Whereas now there's a huge element to this flag that's basically an anti-flag -- a flag that's as much about rejecting a competing history or vision of the world as it is about claiming its own. That flag has a whole lot of layers, with racism threaded all through in ways that aren't exclusive or easy to compartmentalize.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

I keep reading this thread title to the tune of "A Day in the Life."

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

I've seen this shit recontextualized though. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of black people that A.) Dislike the north B.) Feel southern pride. I wouldn't be surprised if someone referred to a multi-racial south rising over the northern states.

I'm pretty sure I've seen pictures of Andre of Outkast fame wearing a confederate flag belt buckle.

― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Layers, dudes, layers.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

You can't layer belt buckles! That would be uncomfortable and impractical!

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Like a layered cake. Only, instead of icing, it's racism!

xpost

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Chocolate icing and yellow cake = icing is segragationalist

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 22 July 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Hey, for all we know, she may be wearing that bikini in an ironic fashion as well.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

People who might find that belt offensive = people who think the civil war was about slavery LOL

― Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

which was confirmed a few weeks later when he put forth the theory that the falcons would be better without vick.

My favorite was that the Carolina Panthers went to the Super Bowl in 2004 because they had an all-white offensive line.

― Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

I keep reading this thread title to the tune of "A Day in the Life."

Hahaha!

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

"The English Army had just won the war"

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

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