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I'm totally dedicated to Firefox myself, and have been for months. What I'm really curious about is: who's using IE 5? Netscape 6? Anything old and scary like that? I know you're out there. Fess up.

Side question: is IE for Mac not being developed anymore? Panther still comes with IE 5.2, which is only going to encourage people to use the bloody stupid thing.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox.

― luna (luna.c), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

until there is a plugin that makes firefox entirely like safari, im gonna keep using safari.

― :| (....), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Not yet, but there's a Firefox plugin for everything else you've ever thought of, and quite a lot you haven't.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Fiiiireefoooooooox.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox. Only because it's named after the film though. Otherwise, I would use IE.

― KeithW (kmw), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox at home.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox

― C0L1N B--KETT, Monday, 10 January 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Why the fuck do people try to use Safari over firefox?

― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox

― Stevem On X (blueski), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

why is firefox better than safari? i like safari

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.hypertext/msg/395f282a67a1916c

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox. I use it at work while everyone else uses IE. This means that I don't have to deal with puh-orr-enn pop-ups anymore.

I use at home as well. Safari won't tell me the progress of the page downloading on the bottom like Firefox does. I like tabs, too.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

safari has tabs

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i use opera.

― t0dd swiss, Monday, 10 January 2005 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox since 0.6. Also set it up for my parents when they (finally) ditched AOL and got a real ISP. I included one of the stock ticker extensions so they could watch the price of the two (2) stocks they own rotate every five seconds. It's like a video fireplace — they watch it all day.

After the last Firefox update, I get a java error when I try to go to Yahoo Games rooms, so I keep Safari on the dock for playing Literati.

― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Netscape 7.1
Don't Ask.

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, but I have to. Is this a work-imposed thing?

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

ghostzilla

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope. Just a near-dead laptop that doesn't seem to want to install or run IE or any other fancy-pants browsers, but for some bizarre reason, Netscape works fine. OK, I could probably muck around and fix all this, but I simply can't be bothered...

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sorta curious about this Firefox love, Safari's never given me any trouble (and lord know I love tabs).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox has tabs, dude!

Anyway: Firefox at home, IE 6 at work. (I haven't quite felt comfortable at this new job to download a whole new browser yet.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Only reason I like firefox more than safari is 'type-ahead find.' It lets you select a link (or text) without having to search for it or click on it. Then you can just hit enter and the link will activate. For us carpal tunnel types (too much starcraft, you know) it's a life-saver.

― 57 7th (calstars), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

another emphatic vote for firefox.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I've said it before: the main reason I prefer Firefox to Safari is that the latter just looks thin and chintzy somehow.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

*bemused* I like the look myself! Curious.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I would love to use Firefox, but it just stopped working on my laptop at home. It opens and simply won't connect to any websites. Oh, it would probably work if I re-installed it, but I'm just too lazy.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost It's simple, elegant, and very Apple-y, for sure. Nowadays, though, my geeky self can't live without a thousand and one toolbars.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I use Opera on PCs, Safari on the PB. Last time I tried FF on OS X (.8 maybe) it was slow and clunky and not really OS X consistent. Opera is like FF with all the plugins I want already installed.

― W i l l (common_person), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

firefox on windows, safari on my mac

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Opera is a better featured browser (this may be different now actually, given the amount of extensions for the latter) and looks nicer, but Firefox is free (no ads that is), and has better support for dodgy websites that don't bother to follow standards.

― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

firefox at home. IE at work but i know our IT department are assessing firefox so who knows, mebbe I'll be using firefox all the time soon.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what one i use because i am not a geek and i have a life. Maybe you should get one.

― Francine Dee, Monday, 10 January 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahahaha

Thanks for that. You're one of my customers, aren't you?

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm trying to convince my boss that we need to switch to Firefox. It should only be a matter of time.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

does the Pinefox use Firefox?

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm scared of firefox! it's a killing machine! and clint has it!!

http://www.spiralupdatenews.com/firefox.jpg

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 10 January 2005 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"The most devastating browsing machine ever built."

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Monday, 10 January 2005 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox at work, safari at home, I'd probably use firefox at home as I like some of the plugins and RSS support, but the interface is awful by mac standards, and konfabulator replaces some of the plugins that I like.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 10 January 2005 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

whats konfabulator?

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 January 2005 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

opera 8 beta

― a banana (alanbanana), Monday, 10 January 2005 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Home: Firefox
Work: IE 6

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 10 January 2005 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

konfabulator puts useful little widgets floating about the screen. The search one is very good, better than safari search as one can use multiple engines.

http://www.konfabulator.com/

Has been nicked by apple as Dashboard for OS X 10.4

― Ed (dali), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Safari at home, Firefox at work. I didn't even realize there was a Mac version of Firefox, so I guess I've been living under a rock.

Is there a Safari RSS bookmark plug-in? If not, could you write one?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Also I am geek enough that I check the websites I create to make sure they'll work in Lynx.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

haha... so do I. It's a good way to check page structure, actually.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

RSS will be a feature of the next version of Safari although it's not as good as firefox's implementation I don't think.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox at work, Firefox at home. Though no-one's explained to me in more than one syllable why tabbed browsing is better than having lots of browser windows open.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to be able to read ILX in my bookmarks, basically.

Mark: Because with tabs you don't have lots of browser windows open. Duh!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG I just realized that I'm using Firefox at work and that means I have tabs! I keep thinking this is just a prettier IE but of course it isn't.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

This is what happens when you inherit someone else's work computer, you just assuming you're using Microsoft crap.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like tabbed browsing, for the most part. But otherwise, Firefox is cool.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

how can you not like tabbed browsing? do you never keep more than one web page open at a time? do you like giant windows open all over your computer? I am baffled! you're baffling me!

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

tabbed browsing makes it easier to hide what you're reading at work.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox. Is there anything else?

― Adamdrome Crankypants (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost The beauty, of course, with the option of tabbed browsing is that you don't have to use it.

― scotstvo (scotstvo), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

how can you not like tabbed browsing? do you never keep more than one web page open at a time? do you like giant windows open all over your computer? I am baffled! you're baffling me!

There's these tabs at the bottom of my screen that I can click on. Only one is visible at a time. It's miraculous!

I don't need subtabs within a tab. I mean, it's helpful in Dreamweaver or Photoshop, but in my opinion, not needed in Firefox/IE/browsing. Maybe if I needed to open a gazillion browser pages at once or something, but I don't need to.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

it took me a while to get used to it but now it's habitual and i'll never look back after tabs

― Stevem On X (blueski), Monday, 10 January 2005 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

oh lord the joy of the tab... ctrl and then tab to tab through the tabs, hold ctrl and click to open in a new tab, ctrl-w to kill naughty tabs, i just need a footpedal version for the ultimate streamlined masturbation experience.

― bengo, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Lordy, if not for tabbed browsing, my taskbar would be unnnavigable (even with XP's brilliant "of course!" idea of grouping windows from the same app into one little bar button). I would definitely use it @ work (if I could actually get admin rights on my machine), but it'd be counter-productive, as IE is the way things go there. I find myself Ctrl-Tabbing in IE every so often. I sigh when I realize I'm not using Firefox.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, Firefox's built-in text search (where you can search for stuff in the webpage you're reading simply by typing) (similar to IE's Google bar text search, but much much better) is godlike. Also, BUILT IN GOOGLE BAR!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm up to 16 search engines in my search bar.

― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Search engines in search bars form superfluous clutter. Google bar is spyware and therefore shit.

Once you've had tabs there's no going back.

― Adamdrome Crankypants (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok here's a question for fellow Maccers.
Is there a way to set it up so that links clicked in iChat or saved webpages will open in Firefox instead of Safari?
I'm also having the Java problem, and I keep Safari in the dock for Literati.
One thing I do prefer about Firefox is how the built in Google bar can also be used to search imdb, ebay etc. Very handy. Spyware adam? Tell us more.

― Aaron Hertz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I'd use Opera if it weren't so buggy on my computer, so I 'settle' for Firefox.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW - there's a Google Bar Extension for Firefox, but it blows. The WinAmp Extension is vaguely better - it places a WinAmpy bar inside your browser, which allows you to control WinAmp w/out having to go to WinAmp, but it's clunky.

I totally forget about the mutliple search engines! I only use the wee lil box for Google & dictionary stuff. (Is there a way to remove engines? I don't want Yahoo! in there.)

("settle"????)

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i love the multi search widget in firefox. Safari does not have:

web developer extension
adblock extension (this makes life amazing)

Does Safari have a BugMeNot plugin?

― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Spyware adam? Tell us more.

I would but I'm probably wrong.

― Adamdrome Crankypants (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

My favorite Firefox plugin is DownThemAll. The ultimate mass web downloader.

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Aaron, to set the default web browser, go to Safari's Preferences, under General. There should be a popup menu there to set the web browser. This doesn't make any sense to me, but thats how to do it.

― Augustine (Augustine Bearse), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Aaron, I've never used iChat, so can't address that. "Links in saved web pages," does that just mean what browser starts up when you click a link with no browser running (like in an email message)? It seems counterintuitive and well hidden, but the place to choose a default browser is in the Safari preferences (under the "General" tab) instead of a System Prefs panel.

I spent about 40 minutes today trying to find some discussion or a fix about the Java problem at the Mozilla site, but no luck. No biggie, but kinda irritating.

I want to see some proof or documentation before I believe there's spyware in the search bar. It's nice to have separate search engines there for AMG Albums, AMG Artists and AMG songs, because the site is so fucking slow, the fewer pages I have to navigate there the better. Also nice to have direct jumps to Google Images and Google News.

xpost-toastie

― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

And um, to answer the question...Safari on my mac, Firefox at work, sometimes Lynx when I feel like reliving my glorious past.

― Augustine (Augustine Bearse), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and I still have IE 5.2 installed because I have to use it to upload postscript files to a printer I work with. The first time I had to upload files after discovering slsk, I left both running overnight and it seemed like both moved faster. About 900MB uploaded during the night and 4-5 albums downloaded.

― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox 4-ever. Uh Huh!

― saltbox and a rubber ball (Speedy Gonzalas), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I had "settle" in scare quotes cos it totally kills IE, but there are some Opera features that Firefox doesn't have: pressing tab to activate the blinking text cursor in the first available text box rather than the first link, bookmark nicknames, fast forward browsing, turning off/on images with a single key presss, and directly going to the URL that is copied in your clipboard. Mostly, the difference are the amount of stuff you can do from a keyboard in Opera.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Augustine and George, yeah that default browser thing in Safari Preferences totally worked, thanks. That's fucking stupid though, something like that should be in System Preferences.

― Aaron Hertz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

It used to be...who knows why it got moved.

― Augustine (Augustine Bearse), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a very Microsoft thing to do.

― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Jobs you fucking sellout.

― Aaron Hertz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Have all the Firefox users implemented the little performance tweak that Tombot posted here a couple of weeks ago? IGM ran part of it a few days later: http://www.insanely-great.com/news.php?id=4187 I believe the ILX post had a couple of other tweaks besides the ones listed in this link.

I'm tempted to try installing one of the optimized Firefox builds specifically for my processor, but I'm not sure which one is right.

― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

ok here's another screwy Firefox thing:

On Safari, this: &hearts &hearts &hearts
is a bunch of hearts, right?

but on Firefox it looks sorta like this: | | |
WTF?

― Aaron Hertz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

On Safari, this: ♥ ♥ ♥
is a bunch of hearts, right?

but on Firefox it looks sorta like this: | | |
WTF?

Looks like hearts to me, under Firefox 1.0 on Windows XP. I can check on my iBook when I get home from work, if you like. You might just need to change a character encoding setting.

― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

It's hearts for me in the same setup as Andrew.

― C0L1N B--KETT, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

yea, &hearts; shows as lines for me on mac os x in firefox. but if you put them in the title bar, they show fine.

― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Right like this thread:
CAITLIN HELL AND JW = ♥

I see the heart in the title bar, nowhere else...

― Aaron Hertz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon try experimenting with different content encoding schemas...

― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 06:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox.

Anyone else using the config speeder-upper??

Firefox flies into over drive

Is it a bird... is it a plane..?

By INQUIRER staff: Thursday 30 December 2004, 22:09

ASK ANY OF FIREFOX'S avid supporters and they'll tell you it's the fastest browser around, true or not. Well, the INQ's stumbled on a little tweak that's easy to do and sends the browser into overdrive.

All you've got to do is type "about:config" into your address bar, wait for it to load, then alter the following entries: change "network.http.pipelining" to "true", "network.http.proxy.pipelining" to "true" and lastly "network.http.pipelining.maxrequests" to 30, meaning it will be able to make 30 requests at once.

Don't bother if you're one of the unlucky sods still without broadband, but if you are, then give it a shot. I've tried it out and it works like a charm. Thanks to forevergeek.com!

Notice-- that's about:config (with a colon between the two words).

― Triple Ho, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 06:28 (twenty-one years ago)

That's fucking stupid though, something like that should be in System Preferences.

It is in System Preferences!

System Preferences -> Internet -> Web -> Default Web Browser

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 06:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Not on my comp it ain't! Are you running OS 10.3.7?

― Aaron Hertz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

no one uses camino? all that AND i get to think about lowriders.
mmmmmmm. lowriders.

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 07:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, sounds like pretty much everyone here is using Firefox right now! Um, including me. I'm addicted to the tabs. And the fact that the Google search engine is right at my fingertips, any time I want to use it. And I feel much safer using this than I did when I was using IE. And some of the ways it works reminds me of when I used to use Netscape, which is awesome, because I liked Netscape a lot. In fact, the only reason I got to using IE in the first place was because, in my old computer, Netscape kept on crashing my system, so I had to go with what would work best with my aging system, and IE did that, so, yeah. But I did miss Netscape for awhile.

― Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I the only one using the full Mozilla suite, then? Or do people just call it firefox even if they run Mozilla?

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 07:40 (twenty-one years ago)

no, then they'd call it "mozila"

― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

no dice on encodings andrew

― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

about:config hacks should work in any Mozilla-based browser, not just Firefox.

At work I use Firefox. At home I use Galeon - its biggest strength is not just that it has tabs, but that you can put the tabs along any of the window's edges. Having the tabs down one of the sides of the screen makes it *much* easier to use when you've got 20 or so open, because you can still read what each one is.

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i used firefox on my pc, but safari on my ibook. i prefer firefox, so i'll get that for the mac i think, see how it works out

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Firefox and opera

― beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

https://addons.update.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&id=414

I've just installed this firefox theme that make firefox look like safari, which is cool.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Slightly OT, but just out of curiousity: Since a lot of this thread boils down to Firefox vs. Safari, is there any advantage to using Thunderbird over Mail?

― Aaron Hertz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

2/3 opera, 1/3 firefox.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Mostly Firefox, but I still use other browsers for some work stuff.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

thunderbird is fucking slow on my PC; I use it but dont' like it.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I use Safari, b/c frankly it does everything I want it to and nothing I don't. I'm certain Firefox is great, but I have no real motivating reason to change. I imagine it's probably the same for many other Mac users who aren't hardcore open-source (and why would you have a Mac if you were?).

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

http://internet.watch.impress.co.jp/www/article/981005/nc407s.gif

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I use IE with the Google toolbar - which blocks popups and gives me Google search anytime. At work I use 6.0, but at home I downgraded to 5.5 because it's more stable on Win98. Why I still use Win98 is another story.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Thunderbird is pretty basic, but its support for IMAP works well. Best I've seen in fact, although it could do with letting you store your contacts in an IMAP folder rather than only supporting an LDAP server, which is really only of use to companies.

IMAP is useful if you move around computers a lot and want to get your email anywhere; pretty much like web mail.

― KeithW (kmw), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

how much of the recent Firefox love is because of the big advert they run in the states? how much of an effect did that have?

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/temp/nytimes-firefox-final.pdf
(danger, huge file)

am still using 0.7 on windows pc at home, 1.0 here at work and on linux box at home.

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The only thing Safari doesn't do is render some sites badly, and no RSS feeds; I tried getting sidebar in the various 3rd party widgets for Safari (the one extending the search capabilities of the google search field is excellent) but it was fiddly, and I can wait for Tiger.

Mark - Tabbed browsing rocks for opening new tabs on a page to read later; instead of opening up in front of me (like IE), it waits patiently for me to get to. Also, I put all my messageboard in one folder ion Safari, then opening them all is one click away instead of 4 or 5. It also looks great.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never seen a Firefox ad, I started using it because people who know their computer shit (Jon, etc.) said it was the best. I don't think I'll be going back to Safari, I'm already used to the extra features.

― Aaron Hertz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I've downloaded Firefox and my immediate thought is that it's really ugly (and the now I notice that the hearts don't appear correctly). It looks like there are some handly geegaws in it (that "find" bar at the bottom is kinda freaked), though.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Also cmd-down doesn't jump me to the bottom of the page! Maybe there's a setting for that, but that's how it ought to work!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Opera.
I've been using it for a couple years now and see no reason to use anything else.

― Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, is there a fix for cmd-down? I miss that.

― Aaron Hertz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

My least favorite thing about Safarai is that it - still - is impossible to "Undo" typing in text fields like the one I'm typing in right now. So if you Select All and hit the wrong key, or just make an errant mouse movement, you can wipe out everything with no way of getting it back. It's weird and disappointing because I thought OS X had a kind of standard text technology that was distributed across all its applications. You'd think OS X's flagship internet product would be able to Undo.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

My favorite Firefox plugin is DownThemAll. The ultimate mass web downloader.

Be great if it worked with 1.0. But it doesn't.

― Adamdrome Crankypants (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 06:19 (twenty-one years ago)

have the cmd-down people tried rejigging their key bindings? this page says there are bugs in the area but i'm not sure about current status.

http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html#key_example
there is a 'cmd_scrollBottom' that you can map a given key to.

(not done this myself - the end and home keys work on w2k)

― koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Mosaic 4ever

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got Down Them All (and Turbo DTA) running in 1.0 no probs...

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Safari + the Pith Helmet plug-in

All Safari users need PithHelmet

― Gator Magoon (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I note and will download.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah... I use Firefox, though I have almost every other browser installed both at home and at work for site testing purposes.

Though no-one's explained to me in more than one syllable why tabbed browsing is better than having lots of browser windows open.

I don't actually know for sure if it's threaded differently by the OS, but in my experience multiple windows slows the machine down more than one window with multiple tabs.

I have a machine at home that is running 98SE and has been since that OS was current. Firefox is faster than any version of IE on that machine, and it's more stable than IE 6 or IE 5.x. (Again, I use this machine to test sites I've built, so it actually has multiple versions of IE installed on it.)

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I just wanted to say I did indeed install PithHelmet per Gator's recommendation and it's most sweet.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 January 2005 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Be great if it worked with 1.0. But it doesn't

Does so! I didn't even install it until after I upgraded to 1.0! I then immediately downloaded the entire 365 Days Project in less than an hour, with only a few clicks.

― J (Jay), Thursday, 13 January 2005 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, okay I'll give it another go. Thanks guys.

― Adamdrome Crankypants (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 13 January 2005 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

http://starstarstar.net/Firefox.jpg

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 13 January 2005 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that a cock and balls?

― Adamdrome Crankypants (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 13 January 2005 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

if you think firefox is ugly, get a new theme

― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Thursday, 13 January 2005 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

been using firefox for about two months, feels like IE but with easier cache control and tabs,nice. I don't do much fancy stuff w/ browsers so I haven't run into any conflicts or plugin problems yet.
I get a taste of netscape 4.7 when I get on my mom's mac(OS 8.6), overstuffed but still not a bad program

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Thursday, 13 January 2005 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Does Safari have a BugMeNot plugin?

You don't need one, just add this as a bookmark

javascript:void(window.open('http://bugmenot.com/view.php?mode=bookmarklet&url='+escape(location),'BugMeNot','location=no,status=yes,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=385,height=450'))

― Gator Magoon (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 January 2005 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...

firefox at work (PC)

safari at home (mac)

thank god for safari aquifier

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Firefox

― Crackity (Crackity Jones), Sunday, 11 September 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

what's bugmenot?

― Wiggy (Wiggy), Sunday, 11 September 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

www.bugmenot.com
BugMeNot.com was created as a mechanism to quickly bypass the login of web sites that require compulsory registration and/or the collection of personal/demographic information (such as the New York Times).

― Stan Fields (Stan Fields), Sunday, 11 September 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

Revive! I just read that Opera (what was the premium version) is now free!

http://stuff.techwhack.com/archives/2005/09/21/200918-opera-software-makes-opera-browser-free/

― Wiggy (Wiggy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

Yup. And I just switched from Firefox to Opera.

― M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

I'm a sandwich shy of a picnic on this - I just barely got Firefox. Are you liking Opera better? Or does it remain to be seen, MV?

― Wiggy (Wiggy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

I've made it look as much like Firefox as I could, Wiggy. But it loads more quickly and is supposedly more secure. The original (c. 1999?)Opera had all sorts of page compatibility problems, but I haven't found any yet with version 8.5.

― M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

I'll give it a shot, since Firefox WILL NOT WORK for me. I've downloaded umpteen times, checked configuration and it just doesn't load website. Any of them.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

Jordan, do you have Norton 2005 Internet Security on your computer? It can deny Firefox net access without letting you know that that's what it's doing.

― M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:11 (twenty years ago)

Firefox, Opera, and Lynx.

Sadly, i'm also expected to make sites that work with IE5.5. So after writing beautiful xhtml & css that validates like a dream, i have to go back and break it to render in Internet Exploder. Yay Me!

― leonard hatred, Monday, 3 October 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

Wiggy, et al: Pop3 mail is integrated into the Opera browser. The first time you compose a message and try to spell-check it, you're directed to the GNU Aspell project website. Install their spell-check program and--voila--Opera not only spell-checks outgoing emails, but (on right-click) most highlighted text as well. This message, for instance.

― M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

All freeware, btw.

― M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

I love Firefox so much more, but my computer really seems to prefer Opera. Right now Firefox is taking up 270MB of RAM with 3 tabs open -- soon I'll have to kill and restart it -- and Opera is sipping 65MB with 18 tabs open. But Opera keeps forgetting my autocomplete URLs, and doesn't do inline find, and doesn't have neato extensions, and doesn't open new tabs in the background by default, etc etc.

― Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

Opera is supported by advertising unless you pay for it, isn't it?

― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

Nope. Totally free and sans banners as of version 8.50.

― M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

No, its totally freeware now! xpost

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

I want Opera to be successful enough that it's kept current, obscure enough that hackers won't bother with it.

― M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

M.V. Thanks for the marvelous news! I can’t wait to have a decent spell check! I am the worst at typing and it gets WAY out of hand when I try to type fast; for instance when typing here! I will help support Opera by downloading it straightaway!

― Wiggy (Wiggy), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)

opera doesn't do inline find?? ctrl-f???

― W i l l (common_person), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:57 (twenty years ago)

Wow, I'd switch to Opera if I wouldn't feel totally k-lame using it. (old prejudices are hard to change)

― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

did you regret your decision? i hope not, its easy to change browsers if you feel you made the wrong choice. and whats right for 2005 might not be right for 2007

and its 2007 right now! yes it is! does your browser have that special 2007 feeling?

i dont think my firefox has that 2007 feeling, and i haven't really gotten with flock in the way i thought i might

im sure some of you will have browsers that are just perfect for march 2007 though

― 688, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:09 (eighteen years ago)

Safari + Stand + Acidsearch does it for me. I wish creammonkey was compatible with greasemonkey though.

― Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

I use Firefox on the laptop at home but Pam insists on using IE7; I use IE6 at work as neither IE7 nor Firefox are fully compatible with the online database that our department has to use every day.

― Michael Jones, Thursday, 1 March 2007 12:02 (eighteen years ago)

Not sure yet, neither Firefox or IE7 are cutting the jibe with me at the moment - IE7 crashes at least once a day and Firefox isn't compatible with half the sites I visit.

I think I may delve into the Opera arena once more

― Ste, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

seven months pass...

oh my gosh, omniweb is sick

― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 18 October 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

haha rong

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 18 October 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

the way tabs are handled isn't so great

― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 18 October 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Charging for a web browser: So 2005 minus 10 edition.

― libcrypt, Friday, 19 October 2007 17:35 (eighteen years ago)

ugh. also either carpal tunnel is finally kicking in or the shortcut setup is really fucking with my hands.

i keep having to tuck my thumb under my left hand to reach FN for keyboard scrolling.

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 19 October 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

I installed Office 2008 and suddenly, all the numerals in Safari have zero width, at least in some font.

― libcrypt, Saturday, 20 October 2007 02:30 (eighteen years ago)

oo where did you get that from?

― stet, Saturday, 20 October 2007 02:35 (eighteen years ago)

Demonoid.

― libcrypt, Saturday, 20 October 2007 02:55 (eighteen years ago)

Restarting Safari fixed it.

I'm kinda annoyed that Office 2K8 still has carbon components, tho.

― libcrypt, Saturday, 20 October 2007 02:57 (eighteen years ago)

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