Disney just put out 3 more (americanized) Miyazaki DVDs!!!!

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OMG I just walked up to Best Buy (which I do almost every day, so as to utilize my lunch break time with shopping & in-store video gaming) and what is just hitting the shelves today but NAUSICAA OF THE VALLEY OF THE WIND, PORCO ROSSO, and THE CAT RETURNS!!!! All of 'em 2 disc sets! OMG OMG!!! I haven't ever watched any of these before!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

I picked up NAUSICAA. I just got off the phone with my friend Joe who has this huge ol' kickass home theater setup and we're going to watch it tonight! It looks cool, it has Uma Thurman and Patrick Stewart's voicing on it!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

BRING KLEENEX

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

haha good call...I cry at all his movies! The worst was when the robot died in Laputa.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

I am so psyched for the Cat Returns, it is the only one I don't already own and haven't seen yet. It looks very twee (which is okay when it involves cats and not goofy french chicks).

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm so excited to finally see Porco Rosso!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

haha good call...I cry at all his movies!

omg me too. i always cry at the end of kiki's delivery service

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

:-) Yeah I've been very patiently waiting on these -- and my birthday being next week, I'll have some cash to spare for them!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Michael Keaton does the voice of Porco Rosso!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

I almost bought all of these last night. Kim's uptown appears to be breaking release dates and shelving shit as soon as the boxes come in. I remember seeing Nausicaa as a kid and a lot of the imagery is still burned into my mind. Disney appears to have done a topnotch job with the dubbing, too.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Disney appears to have done a topnotch job with the dubbing, too.

Maybe for Spirited Away, but Princess Mononoke was unwatchable with the dubbing... absolute shitstorm.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I'm avoiding the dubs like the plague -- I may be a ridiculous purist in that regard but none of the ones I've heard so far work for me. (And as I said elsewhere the tacked on final line in the Spirited Away dub is absolutely AWFUL, completely ruins the ending and by extension the film.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Agreed. Ugh, just thinking about Claire Danes's voice is annoying me.

x-post

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

I found the celebrity voices distracting at first, but got used to it quickly. And the dubbed version has a lot more information in it. The subtitles, I think, suffered from the common problem of saying as little as possible, and a lot of meaning gets lost that way.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

I've always actually been quite a fan of the Disney Ghibli dubs, but now that you've pointed out that line to me, Ned, it NEVER gets by me anymore without irking me.

I think the best of all the Ghibli dubs I've seen was probably Laputa. Maybe it's just cuz I'm in love with Anna Paquin's voice/accent.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

I will agree with you on Laputa, actually, I could probably watch that again in the dub without worrying too much. Who knew James Van Der Beek had it him? (And Mark Hamill's niche as voiceover actor is a solid one -- he knows how to work melodrama as needed.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

I don't mind celebrity voices but the line readings are just really really really terrible in Princess Mononoke.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

i'm gonna get these from netflix. maria and i loved spirited away.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

VANDERBEEK!!!!!

― xxxy@axjkd.com, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

I bought that ghibli six disc, twelve movie set in the end. 'handjob from god.'

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

nausicaa is so good. it's criminal that I haven't watched all of these yet actually.

disc
1: nausicaa/only yesterday
2: whisper of the heart/mononoke
3: totoro/pom poko
4: porco rosso/laputa
5: graveyard of the fireflies/kiki's
6: ocean waves/on your marker

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

graveyard of the fireflies was studio ghibli?

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

It was, but it was not directed by Miyazaki.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

what's the deal with the dubbed last line of mononoke?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

Of that or of Spirited Away?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

http://www.eurofilmsltd.com/images/catalog/catreturns.jpg

I can't wait!

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

oh i meant spirited away! the last line of spirited away!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

omg me too. i always cry at the end of kiki's delivery service .

The end, only? I cried all the way through that sucker, even during the happy parts. It's one of a few movies that can totally reduce me to ... I dunno. I think it's Miyazaki's gentleness that does it. I find the experience of watching any of his movies the same as sitting on my grandfather's knee and being told a really odd story. I'm ecstatic about Nausicaa, which I'll finally see tonight.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

graveyard of the fireflies is the singlemost sad movie.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

I know it isn't due to be released in the US until summer, but has anyone seen Howl's Moving Castle yet? I love Diana Wynne Jones' books.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

I was lazy and kept watching the dubbed Spirited Away once as I couldn't be bothered to go back to the menu to put it in Japanese with subs, and I kept wondering why I didn't like it as much.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

oh i meant spirited away! the last line of spirited away!

Right -- you know how it ends with the family returning to the car and everything's overgrown, like they haven't been back in months or years? Parents are befuddled but get in the car, Chihiro looks back at the park gate, they drive away and...that's it, there's nothing more, and I like how it's just sorta mysterious, a careful balance, one isn't sure WHAT happens after the car drives away, there's something inexplicable even as it seems 'normality' has returned.

Well in the Disney dub TEH CHIKLIS says something as the car drives off in the final shot about how hopefully the new school won't be scary and what'shername confirms it and it all becomes a chirpy nice little "Isn't that sweet, see one shouldn't be afraid of moving!" ending. DIE.

Sure it's part of the possibilities of reading the movie and story, but to lock it down so brutally that way, just to provide a balance to the opening of the film? I don't think so!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

See, I don't even remember that part. But then I blanked out even seeing the english version for awhile, so my memory is clearly not reliable.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

haha I never realized that was Chiklis!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

See, that's why I can't get why adam.r.l hates Spirited Away, it's his hero playing a key role! ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

oh!!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Porco Rosso is very good, it's my second favourite Miyazaki film after Totoro. I can't imagine Michael Keaton doing the voice of Porco though, in the original he has a deep, gruff voice, fitting for a half-man, half-pig.

I saw Cat's Return at the cinema last year, and was a bit disappointed by it. The animation felt substandard, I think it might actually work *better* on the small screen. It had some cool characters and nice scenes, but overall plot was kinda messy. It's still worth seeing though.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm so excited about Howl's Moving Castle! It's a spectacular book, I'm definitely looking forward to the movie.

― Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

the cat returns isn't miyazaki

― a banana (alanbanana), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

It's Studio Ghibli, though.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I wasn't saying it's by Miyazaki, just saw it mentioned here.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I didn't know it wasn't Miyazaki! D'oh!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

oh my god i am so psyched there is urine running down my pants leg RIGHT NOW

― squeeee (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

i'm actually pretty curious about Michael Keaton's performance, though I wish they'd just gotten Jean Reno to reprise his role from the fantastic french dub.

― squeeee (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm surprised they didn't release it titled The Crimson Pig for America!

So, um, Nausicaa might be one of the best movies I've ever seen. Even the funny dated-sounding mid-80s score was great. I've never shouted at the screen so much at any cartoon ever!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

The Earth suffers ofter broken it seriously. Big part of places quiet big locust pest with bigness poison the sea weed take posession by force Spread at Dead Sea the edge's each city. The war is continously in the there. The Vauey of the wind is protected by the sea breese. People live the simpeicity and the happy. Castellan has a youngger daughter named Mulan. At very dangerous of time, the help that she is got the locust pest obstructed the war. Can people exterminate the crisis last?

(From the back of my Chinese DVD of Nausicaa. Fortunately the disc was produced in Hong Kong so the subtitling is a lot better!)

― zappi (joni), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

I just read this very disturbing news:

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/6407.html

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Ha! I didn't even notice that bit on the ending of Spirited Away, either. I was talking about how awful they made the revelatory moment when they're falling through the sky.

I believe Haku says he is a river, or something.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Variety is reporting that Disney is planning an English-language film based on the Kiki's Delivery Service books by Eiko Kadano. Members of the production team for the new feature produced From Hell and The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

Oh DEAR.

Haku is a river.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

That part when Haku remembers why he knows Chihiro is like one of my favorite parts!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Ugh, ugh, ugh. How much do you want to bet that they get that alien chihuahua girl Dakota Fanning to play Kiki?

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

It's the 'track record' of the producers that scares me the most.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

LXG was a classic, Ned. A classic crapfest, but a classic nontheless.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Ugh indeed! And of course those same 'creative masterminds' will have a horrendously crap CGI Jiji as well. League of Extraordinairy Ruining of Kiki.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

No, I know Haku is a river... I was hoping my bluntness of phrase would put it across. I was being lazy, though.

Comparisons!

Dubbed:

"And your real name is the Kohaku River!"
"You did it Chihiro, I remember, I was the spirit of the Kohaku river!"
"A river spirit?"
"My name is the Kohaku river"
"They filled in that river, its all apartments now"
"That must be why I can't find my way home Chihiro, I remember you falling in to my river, and I remember your little pink shoe"

-----------------------------

Japanese:

"You real name is Kohaku"
"Chihiro, thank you! My real name is Nigihayami Kohaku Nushi"
"Nigihayami?"
"Nigihayami Kohaku Nushi"
"What a name, sounds like a god"
"I remember too, how you fell in to me as a child, you had dropped your shoe"

It's my favourite bit of the film too! I think I just can't stand all that "My name is Kohaku river". And I like how he repeats his name to himself in the Japanese version. Maybe it's because I saw it that way first, but it seems at least 512.3 times more effective how it was originally.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

A classic crapfest, but a classic nontheless.

Wait, you're hoping Kiki becomes a classic crapfest? Now I admit that may be the only way to even vaguely hope...

Miccio does a better Connery than Connery these days! (I've seen it, I know.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

So how are the dubs on these? Should we just stick to subtitles tonight?

― stephen morris (stephen morris), Friday, 25 February 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

Happy happy joy joy -- as I indicated upthread I was waiting/hoping on gift money and the like to get these and lo and behold, picked up Porco Rosso and Nausicaa at Amoeba yesterday and today cashed in a Blockbuster gift card for The Cat Returns -- and it was only after getting them that I realized Disney is doing a promo deal where you send in the proof of purchase of all three of those and you get your choice of Spirited Away, Castle in the Sky or Kiki's (I'm going for Castle, which I'd yet to own). Rah! Four DVDs for $2 and postage.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

i chose kiki's delivery service!

and "the cat returns" is everything i had hoped. but then i have a high twee threshold. haven't watched the other two new ones yet, but i will add the documentary stuff on cat returns is pretty entertaining as well.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 7 March 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

http://members.aol.com/tprice1995/images/kiki.jpg

get kiki's delivery service!! her bf is so cute

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 7 March 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

porco rosso is so great

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 7 March 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

Ned, good choise.

Castle in the Sky is one of the most underrated (well in the west anyway) films ever.

― jellybean (jellybean), Monday, 7 March 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

also cozen where did you get that set you describe above?

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 7 March 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

you can find it all over ebay... just be aware it's a bootleg so quality will vary. but then, how else are you going to see "whisper of the heart" and such?

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 7 March 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

the official boxset is so pretty, but it's very expensive. Nearly bought it though, even though I own all the films so far on VCD.

― jellybean (jellybean), Monday, 7 March 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

As an ardent Miyazakian, I was a little disappointed with 'Nausicaa' (which finally arrived this weekend). The animation was a bit rub. and the ending seemed rather woozily religious - shades of Aslan's resurrection. (BTW: can anyone tell me - is Nausicaa's black and yellow fox-squirrel a direct ancestor of Pikachu?)

'Porco', though, was a revelation, especially compared to the butchered SKY tv version I had previously seen, which must have been edited by a drunken goat.

The second discs on these sets seem rather redundant though. All the good extras (eg, history of Studio Ghibli), fit quite comfortably on the 1st disc - is there any need for a second just for sketchy storyboards?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 7 March 2005 09:46 (twenty years ago)

Some brief and hardly complete thoughts about Porco Rosso.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)

(And as a side note to that piece, I think the sheer inventiveness of the animation/movie parody in the movie -- referring to the black and white film Porco and his old friend see in Milan -- can't be beat.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

nice thoughts -- I must see this. Nausicaa is the one I really want, but I've got to get to cinefile to pick it up.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:46 (twenty years ago)

I'm gonna do a few posts now, but first: what the hell is THIS?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)

It's a login page.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:48 (twenty years ago)

Okay, this is something that's long bugged me.
The whole POINT of Kiki is that she grows up, moves on, retains some of her magic and transposes her power into ADULT magic but that she loses some of her childhood as well. This is the nature of growing up.
Now in the ORIGINAL VERSION, once Kiki saves the kid on the clock tower (I get emotional just thinking about that whispered "fly"; the only American cartoon to get it that right was Iron Giant with "superman"), she comes back down to earth and JiJi the cat jumps up and meows and everyone tells her what a great kid she is.
Now in the DISNEY DUB, JiJi comes out and STARTS TALKING.
WHICH MISSES THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT.
I get very angry about this.

I also have a short essay about why the mother in Totoro was actually PREGNANT, but that's another day.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:54 (twenty years ago)

whups, I meant THIS

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:54 (twenty years ago)

Why it's Sherlock Hound!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

available via Netflix, in case you couldn't figger.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:59 (twenty years ago)

What, am I the only person who's never heard of this?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 05:59 (twenty years ago)

I only heard of it fairly recently myself.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 06:02 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, quick update on the Porco Rosso DVD -- the French dub with Jean Reno's work is in fact on the disc, so there's no need to worry about missing that. I watched that version tonight and was very impressed, he does handle the role well.

Also, to address a point made by Jerry a few days back:

is there any need for a second just for sketchy storyboards?

Well it all depends what you're looking for -- it's a pretty nice presentation, actually, in that you get the whole movie synced up with the audio tracks (either English or Japanese as one prefers). Friend Stripey, who is an illustrator, is thrilled to hear about the storyboards, as she enjoys them for many different movies precisely because she likes seeing what the illustrators create.

Also, here's the word on what's apparently next in the Ghibli rollout, as posted by a mod in a DVD forum:

Later in 2005, Buena Vista plans on releasing three more Miyazaki/Ghibli titles together: Pom Poko, Only Yesterday, and My Neighbor Totoro (though one or another could be substituted by Howl's Moving Castle and/or Whisper of the Heart).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 March 2005 06:37 (twenty years ago)

I got these subbed copies of Laputa and Kiki on the internet and they have all sorts of crazy extraneous dialogue subbed in! Like, there's no sound or mouth animation to go with it, but for example the cat in Kiki is WAY more chatty in the subs than in the actual audio. I'm not complaining cause I can't, really, considering the method by which I got these, but I just think it's weird. Maybe the dialogue from which the subs are taken is the Disney english version?
The effect is to turn ruin all the artful introspective silences by having them filled up with unnecessary spelling out of plot points. They were seriously trying to dumb it down for american audiences! there's no other way to explain it.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 14 March 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)

Yesterday I watched the English dub of Porco with a bunch of friends -- as a number of them had young kids, said dub was felt to work better than subtitles for them, and I can't blame 'em. So anyway, it was all right (Keaton was surprisingly effective) but there's DEFINITELY that 'unnecessary spelling out' there, just like with the Spirited Away dub. (Example = unnecessary extra sentence or two spoken during Porco's flashback to the WWI battle sequence, where the battle itself is all the more striking for being frenetic activity balanced against Hisaishi's score, nothing else.) However, the English subtitles *were* different from the dub in many cases. So go figure.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:02 (twenty years ago)

For subtitles you don't have to sync up mouth movements with the dialogue, so you've got a bit more freedom to translate.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)

-- Dan I. (w1nt3rmut...), March 13th, 2005 10:50 PM. (Dan I.) (later)

I think I know what you're talking about... change your sound to Dolby 5.1 and you will hear the sound accompanying that ghost dialogue coming out of the respective channels...

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:54 (twenty years ago)

Michael Keaton is EXCELLENT as Porco Rosso! I was kinda surprised.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

I saw Kiki years ago at the Japan Society and it turned out to be the dubbed version, with Phil Hartman as the cat. Phil wasn't too bad, I have to say. Is he still on there?

― Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

xpost:
Agreed!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

I don't like anime in general and I'm not prone to whimsy - which Miyazaki should I try first? Porco Rosso, Kiki's Delivery Service, Spirited Away?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

by that I mean I grew up around people selling all the freaky anime to creepy Comic Book Guys and I associate the name with not bathing and borderline kiddy-porn.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

it'd be easier to suggest something if you said what you DID like. (just get em all though)

― Cabaret Voltron (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

I guess I'm just asking for the consensus favorite of his greatest film.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

I dunno if there is one! Which is sorta why he's so dope. but I'd guess that My Neighbor Totoro is his most beloved.

you should check out Grave of the Fireflies actually, it was directed by his equally talented friend Isao Takahata. it's pretty anti-cute (except when it isn't) and tends to confound the expectations of people who aren't into anime.

― Cabaret Voltron (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Michael Keaton is EXCELLENT as Porco Rosso! I was kinda surprised.

I wasn't! Keaton is great, he just hasn't had a chance to shine for several years now. I blame Jack Frost.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Personally I'd blame My Life more. Let's face it, he was starting to parallel a certain B-level Robin Williams kind of 'formerly manic now HORRIBLE' path, and honestly I can't think of an actual straight up dramatic role he's done that's actually stuck with me. (Batman does not count.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

But Gygax it was pretty clear that the dialogue wasn't supposed to be there! It was without exception filler chatter that didn't need to be included. Anyway, they were DIVX files that only had one audio stream.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

ned what about out of sight & jackie brown?! i guess those are comic roles

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

ned what about out of sight & jackie brown?! i guess those are comic roles

And neither were leads per se. (I mean, didn't Robert Forster get more attention for Jackie Brown?)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

I just bought Kiki's Delivery Service and Laputa used for $8 each, got them home and noticed they were actually new, with the (expired) coupons on them never looked at.

And I rented Porco Rosso and Nausicaa a week ago. Nausicaa appeared to have been extremely influential (there's a chocobo, there's pikachu, etc. but maybe they appeared in earlier japanese stuff). Porco Rosso is a lot of fun.

― a banana (alanbanana), Monday, 21 March 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Hm, I haf Best Buy credit (about 100$), which 3-5 should I splurge on? (I worship Spirited Away, fell asleep during Laputa, and was modestly entertained by Mononoke.)

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 21 March 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Nice amount of credit! Well, of the ones now available, you could probably pick up just about all the rest at this point to test them out. Nausicaa, Porco, Kiki's and the non-Miyazaki/non-distributed by Disney Grave of the Fireflies would be my suggestion.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 March 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

If you want to see one Miyazaki film, see My Neighbor Totoro. It's gotta be the best animated feature film ever made.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 21 March 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Is Disney going to put Totoro on DVD? I don't want to watch a movie in the wrong aspect ratio (as Fox's DVD version is).

― a banana (alanbanana), Monday, 21 March 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

*cough*:

Also, here's the word on what's apparently next in the Ghibli rollout, as posted by a mod in a DVD forum:

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), March 14th, 2005.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 March 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

thanks ned!

― a banana (alanbanana), Monday, 21 March 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

just noticed amazon uk has Princess Mononoke for £6
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005QB7X

will go nicely with the unwatched copy of Spirited Away currently sat on top of the tv...

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

Hello, overdraft limit!

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Friday, 22 April 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

The Nausicaa dub is excellent. Only the boy was slightly irritating and only for a moment.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 25 April 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I am so glad you told me Princess Mononoke was there on the cheap. I'm going to watch it again.

Now, bearing in mind I have (shockingly) only seen Spirited Away and Mononoke, can somebody tell me which of the other films are classA100%essentialmusthavecertifiedclassicgetthemnow?

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Monday, 25 April 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

totoro

― jellybean (jellybean), Monday, 25 April 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Well, all of them I've seen so far. ;-) Porco Rosso would be my immediate recommendation at this point though catch me a few days later and I might say something else...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 25 April 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Totoro seconded. I can never praise that film too much.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 25 April 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

The Nausicaa dub is excellent. Only the boy was slightly irritating and only for a moment.

jesus christ, why did i think you said "the boy was slightly urinating and only for a moment?"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

Check out the interviews page at nausicaa.net:

http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/interviews/

Couple of good short interviews with Miyazaki about Howl's but definitely also read the May interview, done specifically for the site, with Cindy and Don Hewitt, who are the folks in charge of nearly all the recent script adaptations and dubs from Spirited Away on, including most though not all of the rereleases. Lots of good info about why and how certain decisions were made (for instance, the ARGGH final bit of dialogue in Spirited Away -- turned out to be Ghibli-approved, but even so) and why some rereleases (Totoro and Whisper) been delayed.

Core general news:

* Restating what was already on the nausicaa.net site, the next domestic releases are Pom Poko and My Neighbors the Yamadas in mid-August.

* Cast list for Pom Poko dub:

Jonathan Taylor Thomas as SHOKICHI
J.K. Simmons as SEIZAEMON
Clancy Brown as GONTA
Maurice LaMarche as NARRATOR
Andre Stojka as OSHO

* For Yamadas, 'Jim Belushi and Molly Shannon are Mr & Mrs Yamada'

* Totoro, Whisper of the Heart and Howl's are apparently planned for a joint domestic DVD release next spring.

* Totoro's new dub (done partially for legal reasons given the earlier Fox dub) will have Dakota Fanning and her sister as the girls. Er.

* No immediate word on Whisper of the Heart's cast

* Neither Only Yesterday nor I Can Hear the Sea (a.k.a. Ocean Waves) are due for domestic release.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 July 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

Oddly enough, Leon was half right up above with this -- right actress, wrong movie/role. So far:

Ugh, ugh, ugh. How much do you want to bet that they get that alien chihuahua girl Dakota Fanning to play Kiki?
-- Leon the Fatboy (nicole.kessle...), February 23rd, 2005.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 July 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

5 Ghibli films showing as part of cambridge (uk) film festival:

http://www.cambridgefilmfestival.org.uk/cgi-bin/film-view.cgi?filmid=120

(couldn't find a single page with just the ghibli films on it. anyway, Whisper Of The Heart, Kiki, Spirited, Laputa, Mononoke and UK Premier of Howl - http://www.cambridgefilmfestival.org.uk/cgi-bin/film-view.cgi?filmid=10)

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 4 July 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

(for instance, the ARGGH final bit of dialogue in Spirited Away -- turned out to be Ghibli-approved, but even so)

This is where I make like a badly dubbed anime character and say "Huh?" 'Cause I just watched this movie two nights ago and loved it. What 's the line that makes you so batty?

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Monday, 4 July 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

I can't remember the exact details, but from what I remember they added some extra dialogue to the English dub to make it "easier" to comprehend - maybe someone who's seen it could tell us more.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 4 July 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Please to read upthread:

Sure it's part of the possibilities of reading the movie and story, but to lock it down so brutally that way, just to provide a balance to the opening of the film? I don't think so!

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), February 22nd, 2005.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 July 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

Ohhhhhhhhhh. We still have the rental DVD - I should A/B the two... thanks.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Monday, 4 July 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

* For Yamadas, 'Jim Belushi and Molly Shannon are Mr & Mrs Yamada'
Defining BAD IDEA.

Also, how do you suppose Disney's going to handle the testicles in Pom Poko?

Feel free to answer this question however you choose.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 July 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Check the Hewitt interview, that very subject comes up. ;-) (Short answer -- they're translated as 'pouches')

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 July 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...

3 more released yesterday: Howl's Moving Castle, My Neighbor Totoro and Whisper of the Heart. I rented Howl's but haven't watched it yet.

― älänbänänä (alanbanana), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

:-D I think that covers Miyazaki's Ghibli work in full now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Do any of them have a different ending from Nausicaa yet

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Love the twee. (Or not.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

I hope the Disney-fied version of Totoro has the crazy ending song: "The bus is late, you're getting wet, suddenly a big furry giant is standing right next to yooooouuuuu!"

― Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

I've just spent the afternoon watching Princess Mononoke. Absolutely magnificent, it may even trump Spirited Away for me.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

do the disney versions also have the japanese language track on them?

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Very much so. You can readily watch them all with the original audio plus subtitles.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

Do they keep the tub scene in Totoro?

― 100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Sunday, 11 June 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

elliott gould's expressionless, flat, awful voice-over performance about ruined the cat returns for me

― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Monday, 12 June 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

Do they keep the tub scene in Totoro?

Absolutely!

― mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Monday, 12 June 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

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― Dan (HEY KIDS!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 June 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

It's funny how way up top I was kind of stoked about these! Then I netflixed PR + SA + MNT and saw Nausicaa again and realized miyazaki movies are all fifty times better with the TV on MUTE.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 12 June 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

Why not just listen to YMO over them?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Well, or anything, besides that chirpy-ass buh duh duh WHAT?!? OHHH! WHAT?!? OHH!! WHAT?!? OOOH! loop

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Putting Analog Worms Attack and The Secret Tapes Of Dr. Eich on relay crossfade during The Neverending Story still ranks as a shining moment in my history of being a motherfucking genius

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Not that that has anything to do with this thread

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...

filmfour here in the UK showed 'Whisper Of The Heart' yesterday. unfortunately they didn't tell anybody and i only know because i stumbled across it halfway through and recognised the style. it's not in the listings as being repeated anytime soon either.

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Monday, 23 October 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

"The subtitles, I think, suffered from the common problem of saying as little as possible, and a lot of meaning gets lost that way."
The Japanese people generally say as little as possible.
The meaning is often meant to be inferred.

The Subtitles are accurate, you simple fail at Japanese Brain.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

You fail at understanding the purpose of subtitling

― SOME LOW END BRO (TOMBOT), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Whisper of the Heart has already been shown twice!
I prefer the dubs - I don't like to see words superimposed all over the fine animation, drawing your eye. That's what spoils the films for me.

― DavidM* (unreal), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Turner Movie Classics has shown several of these, bless their hearts. Awesome, no nits worth picking. (Ned, Michael Keaton was servicable enough in Clean And Sober, which also had a good supporting cast and unique but astute plot: he's obsessed with 80s Wall St. hustles, resorts to coke to keep edge, steals from client's account to support new obs, forced into rehab, becomes obsessed with rehab, then with saving a girl in his group. MK knows his lines and doesn't bump into the furniture, except when he's supposed to.)

― don (dow), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

The purpose of TRANSLATION is to take the meaning of what someone says and make it understandable.
It's not supposed to make culture differences vanish.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 05:41 (nineteen years ago)

In other words, I've always found the dubs very partonising and childish.
Also, I hate the way they record the english actors(seperately, hardly ever meeting, 1 inch off the mic) and all the post-processing added (compression, EQ). Sounds unnatural.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 05:44 (nineteen years ago)

Pom Poko handles the nads by way of "raccoon pouches".

― patita (patita), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Pom Poko on film4 on the 12th.

most of the dvds are a tenner in hmv at the moment too.

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Monday, 6 November 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Netflix delivered Porco Rosso this morning. Should I go with the French, Japanese or English version?

― milo z, Sunday, 1 July 2007 04:29 (eighteen years ago)

none of the above

― El Tomboto, Sunday, 1 July 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

Porco Rosso is my favorite. I went with the Japanese, but I'm like that.

― Casuistry, Sunday, 1 July 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

english. BEETLEJUICE!

― abanana, Sunday, 1 July 2007 21:36 (eighteen years ago)

Jean Reno on the French version is pretty kickass. That said you almost want there to just be an Italian version for obvious reasons.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 July 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

I thought Michael Keaton was great as Porco, and I also loved Susan Egan in this; unrelated but I realized the other day but she kind of looks exactly like the characters she voices in Miyazaki movies IRL.

― nickalicious, Monday, 2 July 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

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