What is the greatest city in the world that also has really good weather?

I missed it too at first.

-- mark grout (mark.grout@g

Haha mr mischievous mark!

Seattle has both -- which conflicts with your request, in my POV. Please elaborate on "really good weather" please.

Yeah, LA seems like the only certifiable "no winter" city that is also world class in size / population / culture / goodfood / cosmopolitan. You had better prepare to work out a lot, moisturize a lot, and groom a lot though . . . or you will feel rather left out.

Here are the SoCal seasons:

* Temperate and sunny (winter)
* Occasional shitty-ass hard rain storms (late winter usually, this year being exceptionally longer than normal)
* The beautiful cloudy days right after the shitty rainy days
* Hazy sunny, kinda hot weather that can get humid at times, and really windy and dry at times

The last one goes for about 10 months, the rest usually happens eight weeks a year. Forget "winter", "spring", "summer", and "fall". Won't happen here.

If that sounds good to you. Bust out your shades, beach blanket, and go forth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/city_guides/city.shtml?tt=TT001520

True, but it's much drier year round in LA than in many cities (which can be it's own problem - dry skin etc).

SF's only curse is that it has the bleakest summer of almost any city, due to the fog. A san francisco summer can seem like the cruelest winter ever... (someone famous said this.)

"temperate" to everyone else is anything that's not below 20F, or not above 90F with 100% humidity.

"Can you BELIEVE we had 10 days in a row where the high was above 70F... OMG, I'm DYING!" -- actual clothing store employee in Seattle last winter.

No one in Seattle has air conditioning.. Neither do any retail stores. It DOES get above 85F and semi-humid at least two to three days a year, and usually during the long-day summers.. so for people who live in badly insulated places or go somewhere that's not insulated or air-conditioned (which is most places that are not shopping malls), there is rarely any relief, hence a half-ass defence for the folks in Seattle complaining about the hot days. Otherwise... baaaah.

My apartment has strange insulation so it has two climates: too cold, and too hot.

Rhode Island is so nice in summer and the winters aren't so bad as long as you don't go inland!

SF is tempting.

SF weather is just a bit too capricious for most people. Tourists come here expecting "California" and don't quite get it.

I was in SF in February and it was 65 and sunny every fucking day (except for the day I had to leave and drag my suitcase 15 blocks through the pouring rain). I know it's not like that ALL the time, but just the fact that it's possible to be that nice in the middle of winter makes me rate it as having "really good" weather.

(Also, doesn't Mexico City get REALLY hot and smoggy in the summer, and REALLY cold and snowy in the winter?)

Everyone in San Diego ends up having to go to L.A. or O.C. for something at least once or twice a month. If you like to see touring bands, many tours don't bother going south to San Diego, you see.

Also, lots of jocks who like to fight, Camp Pendleton, etc.

(That said, it is underrated for this thread.)

Jan 70°F 43°F 56°F 0.40 in N/A°F (N/A) N/A°F (N/A)
Feb 73°F 45°F 59°F 0.40 in N/A°F (N/A) N/A°F (N/A)
Mar 77°F 49°F 63°F 0.50 in N/A°F (N/A) N/A°F (N/A)
Apr 79°F 52°F 65°F 1.10 in N/A°F (N/A) N/A°F (N/A)
May 79°F 54°F 66°F 2.30 in N/A°F (N/A) N/A°F (N/A)
Jun 76°F 54°F 63°F 6.20 in N/A°F (N/A) N/A°F (N/A)
Jul 73°F 53°F 61°F 7.20 in N/A°F (N/A) N/A°F (N/A)
Aug 74°F 53°F 62°F 6.80 in N/A°F (N/A) N/A°F (N/A)
Sep 73°F 53°F 61°F 5.70 in N/A°F (N/A) N/A°F (N/A)
Oct 72°F 50°F 60°F 2.40 in N/A°F (N/A) N/A°F (N/A)
Nov 72°F 47°F 59°F 0.20 in N/A°F (N/A) N/A°F (N/A)
Dec 70°F 45°F 56°F 0.30 in N/A°F (N/A) N/A°F (N/A)

WHAT ARE U HIDING?

http://www.advantagemexico.com/mexico_city/weather.html

Interesting.. I thought being situated on a plateau at least 7000 feet high would make the weather more extreme. Then again, it is relatively close to the equator. Still smoggy though, from what I understand.

http://www.advantagemexico.com/mexico_city/weather.html

Interesting.. I thought being situated on a plateau at least 7000 feet high would make the weather more extreme. Then again, it is relatively close to the equator. Still smoggy though, from what I understand.

However, it's a little culturally backward. Unlike Melbourne, hahahaha. I think San Fran pips Sydney for best city under the criteria specified.

Also way less pollution than Sydney or any major US city by a long shot.

xpost: Yeah Kate, I reckon Moley's gone to the wrong bits.

OK nuff thread derailing, back to teh cities.

truth be told, it's a terrible place, but the people are nice. they
get upset if you point out they're living in a hole on the edge of the
earth.

we have beautiful bush in both senses of the word obviously! no george though thank fuck. not yet anyway. but the default definition for 'bush' here relates to bushland, not to laaaydeeez

Of the places I've been to, Sydney more or less matches the weather conditions, although in the "great city" stakes it loses out a little due to lack of culture and being such a long way from anywhere. And Melbourne's pretty good, not quite so good weather-wise, but there's something about its unrelenting flatness that might get to me in the end.

In Europe, Rome looks good but I've never been there. Barcelona pretty much fits the criteria. One that hasn't been mentioned is Lisbon. Excellent weather, mild winters, hot-but-not-too-hot summers, culture, beautiful buildings, nearby beaches...

San Francisco, hands fucking down.

I liked San Jose, CA a lot. With enough time I think I could try to become a good person out there. One summer the day I left auntie's to fly back I tried to cry so I could stay, forever. She gave me a handheld radio with a headphone jack, which I brought with me everywhere, and basically set the trajectory for the remainder of my life. Your skin always smells good in San Jose, even if it stinks.

-- LeCoq (LeCoq), Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:07 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

what the fuck is shit like this

explain me ilx's love affair with a guy who was 50% vice mag 50% vw nick drake commercial

I am more and more tempted by Lisbon, actually.

Today, though, SF is exquisite.

Lisbon is a good call...or Porto

anything to qualify here should prob be coastal

still amazed by the comment that Melbourne's winters are too cold and long. Jun/Jul/Aug avg highs: 57F/56F/59F, and it's in the 60s or 70s every other month.

i think lcoq is boring, but what are you on about ethan?

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS236812+19-Mar-2008+MW20080319

I'll say my hometown -- Miami/South Florida -- if you like humidity.

barcelona

L Fucking A.

Apparently, Greece, lower Italy, and Israel have the best weather in the world...

...until a scirroco or meltemi wind starts to blow, at which point the murder rate goes through the roof and people start to strangle kittens just for the temporary psychic relief.

le coq was lame

l.a. has good weather but if it fits the thread title i'm sort of depressed.

I'm kind of surprised by how many people are saying San Francisco. I kind of feel like SF is just too foggy and never quite warm enough to qualify. Though there are probably other bay area microclimates that I would like better.

But none of them are proper cities.

drizzly-ass cold in the summer san fransisco does not have good weather

the answer is obv l.a.

yeah, pretty much

tho the sameness of the seasons there is kinda monotonous

best would be 6 months of l.a. weather 3 months of north east crisp fall and then some pleasant blooming spring

I'm not a fan of our weather in the summer, either, but I couldn't take LA. The last time I was there for more than a couple days, I was quickly miserable.

I wonder what I'd think of Marseilles these days.

l.a. is too dry and deserty and samey. "sunny" doesn't always = "really good" (though sometimes it does).

6 inches of snow = good weather

LA might well be too samey for me year-round, but dry and deserty = awesome.

the ocean alleviates some of that. i would like more precipitation.

LA weather is fine, it's everything else about it that makes it not great.

SF weather is decent and the lack of extreme heat/cold makes it very easy to live in, but I would hesitate to call the weather "really good".

except for today and tomorrow

i actually love SF weather. i'd much rather it be kinda gloomy and sweater weather all the time than have extremes either which way. only prob w/not having that many hot days is people don't know how to dress for them. so you get a lot of retarded people wearing retarded clothes. but i guess that could be said for the rest of the year too?

Haha when I am at work. DAMN YOU FICKLE SF WEATHER!

in the grand scheme of things, SF def has "really good" weather.

not if you enjoy the sun and warmth from the sun

ok well maybe i've caught it on unusually good times, cause it's always been predominantly sunny and warm when i've been, even in February.

There is plenty of sun in SF if you don't live in the Richmond District (or the Sunset.)

eh its overcast or foggy a lot there tho obv more the farther west you go

jeez, it's not mordor

ok. "pretty good"?

its just that i really really hate overcast weather

i just went to SF and i didn't bother to bring a jacket (hadn't been wearing one at home), then i was all "wtf why is it colder than Wisconsin?"

omar little should work for the tourist board.

SF: It's Not Mordor

I have to give props to my home, Honolulu. Decent city and probably has the "best" weather on planet Earth.

i thought it was a myth that it was THAT overcast there? records show that on avg there's 10% more days of sunshine there than here in Chicago, and you never hear people (besides me) complain about how overcast it is. IOW, I took it to be a So Californians' complaint.

yes

It is. But it occassionally a little chillier than you'd expect from a city with "really good" weather. Most SFers don't care, but yes SoCal-ers and tourists who pack poorly bitch a lot.

ha

What about Valparaiso or Santiago?

annual average percent possible sunshine/mean number of clear days/mean number of cloudy days

PHX 85 211 70
LA 73 186 73
HON 71 90 94
MIA 70 74 115
DEN 69 115 120
SD 68 146 102
SF 66 160 105
MEM 64 118 151
DFW 61 135 133
AUS 60 115 136
ATL 60 110 149
HOU 59 90 161
NYC 58 107 132
BOS 58 98 164
MSP 58 95 169
NOL 57 101 146
BAL 57 105 152
STL 57 101 164
NAS 56 102 156
PHI 56 93 160
CHI 54 84 176
DET 53 75 185
CLE 49 66 202
POR 48 68 222
PIT 45 59 203
SEA 43 71 201

djgabbneb

tho the sameness of the seasons there is kinda monotonous

best would be 6 months of l.a. weather 3 months of north east crisp fall and then some pleasant blooming spring

-- jhøshea, Wednesday, May 14, 2008 6:49 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Yeah, some variant of bi-coastalism is what is called for here...given my temperament, I would be happy with SF in the summer and winter, and northeast or its equivalent in the fall and spring.

I like rain and moody weather, sans sun day after day after day

dell, portland awaits you. Except you should prob leave for Juneau in July and come back in late September, for maximum moodiness.

I would do that. I haven't spent nearly enough time in Portland, but the people there seemed exceptionally friendly. I have a friend in Juneau, too, to boot!

I was in Portland for an afternoon in the autumn, and the weather changed drastically three or four times over the space of 20 minutes or so.

Ha ha. I was there this spring and it did the same: overcast, sunny, rainy, hail, rainy, overcast.

Yeah, exactly. We walked by some guys sitting out on their front porch who were laughing at us as we walked by shivering and they said the "if you don't like the weather here, then just wait five minutes!" thing, which I guess people also say about a bunch of other places...

used to say exactly the same thing in cornwall

Cape Town

PHX 85 211 70 - HOT AS BALLS
HON 71 90 94 - SWEATY BALLS
DFW 61 135 133 - SWEATY VIOLENT BALLS

Montreal is probably my favourite city I've been in but I find it hilarious that it was mentioned in this thread. (This actually looks a bit generous but: http://www.montreal.world-guides.com/montreal_weather.html)

I was only there briefly but how well would e.g. Eugene OR fit?

omg montreal is the coldest place in the world

And it's hot and muggy as hell during the summer!

the solution here is to build a great city in northern Arizona.

I don't think you can have a great city that is landlocked. I'm sure I can be proven wrong though.

Uh Berlin?

people, the answer is obviously LA or SF. if you want better-defined 'seasons', you also want, you know, 'bad weather'.

(at least as far as the US goes)

lots of great cities are landlocked

Do rivers count towards non-land-locking?

depends

rivers have to count for non-land-locking, or my theory is crap.

american landlocked cities without rivers are ass: phoenix, dallas

Isn't Las Vegas land-locked? Not sure if that's an argument for or against this theory.

Beijing is landlocked with no river. I am now distancing myself from this whole thing.

I can't imagine living somewhere without some sort of water nearby.

I mean, all I've got is the Arkansas River, but at least if my car ever breaks down in Tulsa, I'll still have a way to get home.

Denver? Birmingham? Charlotte? Whew not exactly disproving this are we?

i took landlocked to mean no ocean, but not having a reasonably big river or lake is rough

A city without a waterway is generally going to have come into existence (or grown to a large size) this century. Most of the time that means it sucks.

er, last century. Since the automobile age. Right?

and RR age.

someone highly recommended that i move to montreal, but i lack the requisite magical career transferable stuff or underground connections to do so. i did hang out with some quebecois folks a couple of years back who seemed very rad.

but, yeah, "landlocked" is no death sentence. see: the mountain states! so beautiful!!!

but, yeah, "landlocked" is no death sentence. see: the mountain states! so beautiful!!!

LA - NOT landlocked AND mountains

What?!?!?!

i'm a midwesterner through and through, but i got to be honest, winter is getting pretty damn old.

Honolulu. 3 miles from mountain to beach - with a city in between.

i meant the mountain states, as in the time zone going by that name...montana, colorado, and so forth.

l.a. and i s'pose some other west coast spots, are particular exceptions.

can a great city be oceanlocked?

^^^haha. Probably not.

What about Valparaiso or Santiago?

Valparasio is pretty fantastic.

if you want better-defined 'seasons', you also want, you know, 'bad weather'.

not really, which is why i'm trying to pimp northern AZ.

RONG

oh everyone's wrong about every place on earth, i know already

SF's weather is not great wtf people it's notoriously ungreat!

Super Cub OTM w/r/t Honolulu imo

Flagstaff is colder than NYC in winter, and has about 1/2 the sunshine days (20x as much rain) of the Cali cities in July and August.

not northern northern az. prescott area.

Rio de Janeiro?

Prescott, which is a mountain town ill-suited to building a major city, is 90 miles from Flagstaff (which isn't 'northern northern' az either), subject to the same summer precipitation phenomenon, and averages nearly 20 degrees colder than LA in winter.

dude the most it averages per month is 3.28 inches in August. rest of the year is sunny as fuck, and even on the rainy days the rain usually only lasts a few hours tops and the sun returns. 50degree highs in winter qualify as really good weather in my book my good you're annoying is it on purpose it must be

take her, dude

we get it, you once got out of Chicago and went to the amazing Southwest

50degree highs in winter qualify as really good weather in my book

then you'll love LA where the average high in January is 68 degrees

and where it doesn't thunderstorm every other day in summer

average August precipitation 0.13 in

i can't be bothered to read this thread, but barca seems like a decent bet

the point is that that area has distinct seasons without any of them being unbearable but you're so often in i've got FACTS to prove you WRONG mode that you're unable to think clearly.

yeah, and the point of htis thread is which is the greatest city with really good weather, not which is the magical fantasy city that doesn't and probably couldn't exist that has bearable weather in four distinct seasons. there are real cities that fit that bill, btw.

ok thread nazi. i'm so sorry please to not beat me.