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― fe zaffe (fezaffe), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

will this make my crappy mac even slower?

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Mean.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

nice!

― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Somebody name one actual useful thing this does for anybody

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Besides Ed

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

thing = $$
body = steve jobs

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

will it make yr pooter ROAR?

― MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Somebody name one actual useful thing this does for anybody

Database-driven file system lets me finally write an mp3/aac cataloging app that can search metatags without being unacceptably slow.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

steve jobs

are these doled out by $V£N!???

― MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

The ad said it shipped w. cool gizmos. http://www.toytokyo.com/images/ACN-gremlins-0.005.jpg. I've always wanted a gizmo. QED.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

I am very excited about this. Though I'll wait a month before getting it. Smart folders look great.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

I'll probably get it, just like before.

― ---- (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

http://www.backtothesugarcamp.com/foot2.jpg

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

the more i learn about spotlight the more it seems that it will at least in theory go a long way towards making the finder actually useful for something. i don't know if this is actually how it works, but it would be great to have a folder named, say, "cheese," that, at any given time, is full of aliases to all the files or things on your computer that have anything to do with "cheese".. constantly updating itself.. add in aliases to websites (chosen by, say, taking the top 25 google hits for that word) and phwoar.. (which is almost a roar)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Aww, my bad. It said 'widgets' not 'gizmos' nor 'gadgets' nor 'gizmos' nor 'gidgits' ... but who cares? no big deal, I want moooooooOOOOORE!

IVE GOT WHOZITS AND WHATSITS GALORE
YOU WANT THINGAMABOBS? I'VE GOT TWENTY
BUT WHO CARES? NO BIG DEAL?
I WANT MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!

I WANNA BE WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE
I WANNA SEE EM DANCING AROUND ON THOS
WHATEVER THE FUCKS THEY ARE
FUCKIGN FEET.

FLIPPING YOR FINS U DON'T GET TOO FAR
BUT WOH CARES NO BIG DEAL I WNAT MOOOOORE
Strollin' along down a
(What's that word again?) sTREET!

http://www.freewebs.com/stormydaydollz/My%20Animated%20Brown%20haired%20mermaid.gif
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― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

The Little NoizeDude

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Tiger Server will give me XSAN volumes bigger than 16TB, which means increased flexibility for me. QuickTime 7 gives my work an easy way to sort H.264 support although this will be on Windows.

I'm more excited by what NAB might bring in terms of additional features in Final Cut Pro and Motion and how CoreImage and QuickTime 7 will affect the video workflow.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

IOW completely useless for 99% of users?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm getting an upgrade to 2Gig of RAM next week. Who needs a new OS?

― happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

those were just the feature that have excited me. 10.3 was faster than 10.2 which was faster than 10.1. I expect 10.4 to be faster still, however I won't be getting it as 512Mb will be a bare minimum RAM requirement, as will a fairly decent graphics card, and this old iBook hasn't even a DVD drive to install it. So this iBook is orphaned.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Stop trolling tom

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Jon that's kind of rofflicious

Remy's post wins! Um any of them.

― Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

hopefully i will get for FREEEEEEEE

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

They're running out of felines. 10.5 will be OS X Ocelot.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

In Windows, this is called Google Tools.

― a banana (alanbanana), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

Whatever happens, I recommend waiting a month or so just so that any issues are quickly ironed out. Remember the deal last time with the self-wiping external FW drives?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

well, that's why you disconnect your external drive during an OS upgrade.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

IIRC, it happened once you connected it to the new OS. Nasty thing, although they did fix it quickly...little consolation for those who had already lost the GBs of data, of course...

PS - I can't believe the appellation TIGGER hasn't caught on yet. Shit, they could easily triple their sales. Who wouldn't want OS X Tigger?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 13 April 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

(copyright) waltdisneyandco.

― scout (scout), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

I'm anticipating my new 50 grand, 20TB XSAN way more than tiger at the moment anyway.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

almost relevant here, Safari 1.3 (updated with 10.3.9) has UNDO IN TEXTAREAS. WOO! at last. hurrah, ilx (etc) is easier

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

Now I just need PithHelmet to be compatible with it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Dammit I want my PithHelmet back!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

Although Friendster seems to be totally fucked in Safari now.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 18 April 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

Safari 1.3 appears to have removed the save linked file as contextual menu item. grrrr.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 04:42 (twenty years ago)

Now I just need PithHelmet to be compatible with it.

PithHelmet 2.4 released today. Works with Safari 1.3!

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

Hurrah!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Safari 1.3 appears to have removed the save linked file as contextual menu item. grrrr.

Hold down the option key and try it again.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

10.3 seems just fine to me. Unless a friend gets this and I get jealous, or I develop a weather fixation, I don't see myself getting this.

And I don't agree that with each iteration the OS gets faster. My dad has an indigo G3 imac with 10.2 and 128 MB that flies.

― 57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

But , why? why have to hold down option as well.?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

i'm still on 10.3.7 after reports about .8 freaked me out. should i upgrade to .9?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

.9 works fine for me.

We had an old machine that has the usb subsystem die if you run software update on it with firewire disks mounted though. ssh'd in; reboot; fine!

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

I am soooo tempted to try 10.4 right now....

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Option contextual menus? Those fuckers.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

PithHelmet 2.4 now up for grabs, downloaded and installed it and everything's back to adless normality. YAY.

Am thinking about just getting a MacMini in June and getting 10.4 with that at that point. At the same time my Cube's been chugging along with no problems, though admittedly having only a CDR drive at 8x is kinda limiting. Hmmm.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

i have a relatively new computer but i only burn at 8x anyway!

(but maybe you mean it only READS?)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

No, burns and reads. Again, it's a Cube from some years back, so keep that in mind. ;-) How fast do SuperDrives do the business anyway?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

Not so fast on the CD burning. I think it maxes out at 8x or 12x. (that's an early SuperDrive on a G4/933)

I've heard that the Mini isn't great if you're going to be doing any kind of graphics/video/Photoshop-intensive work, as the hard-drive is a slower laptop model to save space.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)

8x my cornhole, I burn at like "best", which I assume means "the best there is" which is a pretty awesome setting to have if you think about how technology is always getting better and better! :D

― Rocker For Light (on a Bad Brains kick) (Eleventy-Twelve), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

I'm tempted to excelsior that.

― happy fun ball (kenan), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

I've heard that the Mini isn't great if you're going to be doing any kind of graphics/video/Photoshop-intensive work, as the hard-drive is a slower laptop model to save space.

Not a worry, I don't do much with that -- maybe more with Photoshop once I finally get the digital camera going but otherwise text is my art OH THE PASSION.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm tempted to excelsior that.

I never quite got what that excelsior stuff meant.

― Rocker For Light (on a Bad Brains kick) (Eleventy-Twelve), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

ex·cel·si·or (n.) Slender, curved wood shavings used especially for packing.

and here I always thought it meant "the pinnacle of excellence" or something.

― Rocker For Light (on a Bad Brains kick) (Eleventy-Twelve), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

Got an early copy and installed it - doing just an "upgrade install" over my existing 10.3.9. Installed perfectly without incident.

Spotlight indexing takes about a hour initially, but after that it's incredibly fast. It also doesn't mean a whole lot to me because I know exactly where everything is to begin with. Only apps I've had a problem with is BitTorrent and the PGP bundle for Mail.app, but BitsOnWheels works just fine (and actually faster now).

Finder operations seem normal, but launching apps is now significantly faster. More observations to follow...

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's overall faster. Dashboard is sorta neat. Spotlight is good.

― Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

yeah bittorrent keeps crashing. back to azureus for now.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Most useful Tiger site of the moment: TigerWiki

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

*makes notes* As I muttered to Elvis the other day, I'm probably going to go ahead and buy a MacMini in about a month and just get Tiger with that, but all reports eagerly noted. (In fact, anyone know anyone who would want a perfectly serviceable G4 Cube with a fussy disk drive that is CDR only? Otherwise in fine shape.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Man, Tiger is fast. I wish Spotlight had the ability to index my del.icio.us links, but apart from that, there isn't much to complain about.

― Daniel Cohen (dayan), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

I wish Spotlight had the ability to index my del.icio.us links

The latest version of Cocoalicious improves things somewhat.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

How's the transition wrt install?

― Jimmy Mod Knows You Eat Your Own Farts (ModJ), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

You know like when you have a dream about a girl you fancy? IN the dream, you get it together, and everything's good, and when you wake up, there's a moment where you think it's been real, and life is good, followed by the crushing dawning realisation that it was all a dream?

Well last night it happened, only instead of a girl, I dreamt I'd installed Tiger. FFS.

I get my copy on Friday at 6pm GMT.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 28 April 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

BST surely?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 28 April 2005 10:02 (twenty years ago)

sorry.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 28 April 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)

Anyone running Suitcase? That's the app that screws up things most for me and makes me nervous about Tiger.

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 28 April 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

tiger will probably screw it up again, but tiger does promise improved font management (it won't be suitcase though).

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 28 April 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

Sod anticipating Tiger the first components of my XSAN just arrived. I will have ultimate mac bragging rights.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 28 April 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

T/S: Hardware braggers vs Software bragger?

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 28 April 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

This makes Dashboard infinitely more useful now

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

so i got this now.

and i'm not sure... should i use firefox and netnewswire, both of which i just recently migrated to, or go back to safari? urgh!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

I have my Xserves at work now. I have discovered though that I can only install Xsan through a another Mac so now I have to persuade work to buy me a Mac mini with tiger to administer the thing.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

tiger's great. only it works best on my imac g5, the other comps (G4s, at work) are slower...

― nathalie in a bar under the sea (stevie nixed), Monday, 9 May 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

use Omniweb and feel smug and superior and very organized

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

dashboard is cool and all but i'm not really sure i see the point! i don't need to press f12 to see what time it is! are there any really useful ones?

also the new mail looks like crap! (and there's no status thingy)

but spotlight is still cool.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

also i think i discovered a bug! when you select an mp3 in the finder (columns view) and the little preview thing shows up in the next column over, it seems to get the mp3 length totally wrong, 10 times out of 10!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

also it seems a lot slower. :(

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

It seems really slow for me - bringing apps forward of hiding or quitting takes an age.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 06:30 (twenty years ago)

Is there any way of turning off the graphical gimcrackery in System preferences?

a lot of this may be to do with the new graphics model in Tiger. everything is displayed as an OpenGL texture and all compositing is done on the graphics card so it your graphics card isn't up to much the interface is going to slow right down. Conversely if you do have a good graphics card the interface should speed up.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 06:34 (twenty years ago)

Apple have been decidedly naughty by not putting a minimum graphics card requirement on Tiger.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 06:35 (twenty years ago)

bloke on 'click online' was asking mac bloke about tiger and kept pointing out that all the things he mentioned as new were rehashes of microsoft stuff or shareware stuff. was funny. (apple should've stuck with 'usability tweaks and better stability', that would be enough)

they then showed a clip of longhorn doing all the things people complain at kde for doing (scalable widgets, transparency...). then then showed a list of minimum specs for new longhorn stuff and it was 512M memory and a beefy graphics card. sigh.

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 07:38 (twenty years ago)

"are there any really useful ones?"

I love the FedEx tracker.

"also the new mail looks like crap! (and there's no status thingy"

WAH? I love it!

― nathalie in a bar under the sea (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 08:09 (twenty years ago)

I want my boxes on the right! I also want a little status thingy to tell me that it is actually checking mail, as opposed to trying to connect but not managing.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

i have a decent graphics card! whatever came with the 1ghz pb 12". i mean that's not the best but it's pretty darn new!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

The one that's currently shipping in the 12" PB was not evn recommended by apple for use with the beta.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

thanks apple!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

it's actually not so bad. i blame iphoto 5 (which i just installed yesterday too)--what a mule.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

What card comes with the Minis?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

The PB 12" graphics card seems fine by me! A lot better than 10.3

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

I love the FedEx tracker.

Not even necessary. If you just enter a package tracking number (FedEx/UPS/USPS/etc) into Google it will find it automatically!

― giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

actually, with a little more use, things seem fine (no discernible difference). i blame ilife! cuz i bet if i started iphoto again i'd get lags.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

can this be the thread where we list good widgets? or should we start a new one?

a lot of them are pretty useless! like i said above, who needs a CLOCK widget when there's a clock in the corner of the screen anyway?

i like the dictionary and translator ones though. and the wireless network tracker.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

the weather one is not very accurate though.s

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

The mini has a Radeon 9200. It's rumoured that it'll get the 9600 like the eMac and iMac really soon (I'd say late june at WWDC or september at the latest).

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

modern OS design is all BULLSHIT
the LAST thing I need is for my entire filesystem to act like a RELATIONAL DB with a bunch of TOTALLY USELESS METADATA
or fucking STOCK TICKER cluttering my DESKTOP

BLOATWARE, THE OPERATING SYSTEM

my next computer will be a PLAYSTATION 3

RANTING!!!!!

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

did I mention some really cool rewiring and cleaning up of the kernel they did?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Also, would it surprise you if I told I've found a really useful use for the spotlight API and meta-data DB?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Go on.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

thrill me.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

It will save us a whole bunch of coding when we port the app, from windows to OS X, that catalogues meta-data of media files and dumps into into the media library database of our scheduling system. It can almost be written as an AppleScript now.

Personal uses, give me a break what little i have by way of documents, at work or at home get filed in folders like 'letters to the bank' or 'Operational Procedures' and hey presto I can find them again. The speedup in email searching would be welcome if I had a Mac on my desk at work, (I rarely need to search back through personal emails), however seeing as I am tied to a PC and Outlook there it doesn't really help.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

i had a crashy day today :(

finder and firefox both went DOWNTOWN

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

I've heard bad things about 10.4.1.... Thoughts?

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Friday, 20 May 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

i'm not sure what the major differences are between .0 and .1, as i only used the former for about a week. but i'm definitely getting more beachballing than before i went tiger, and like i said more crashing.

what have you heard about .1?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

also what are your thoughts on widgets? i half-suspect they're just eating up my system resources, and i've yet to find any REALLY useful ones

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

(I am having the complete opposite stuff with Tiger!)

http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/16/211238&mode=thread

(xpost)

As far as widgets, they only chew CPU time (generally) when Dashboard is visible. If you have plenty of RAM there really should be no problem. I have the Calvin and Hobbes one open; The translation one is handy; The weather one is ok; dictionary ok; manpages ok. I imagine more actually useful ones will appear.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Friday, 20 May 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

opposite stuff? haha your apps are too stable?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

yeah the widgets are... ok. not really a lot of stuff i can't get in firefox (like the weather, the imdb search box etc). dictionary/translater i can definitely see using.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

the wifi detector is kinda handy i guess too!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

Yea, the ones that are the same as firefox search boxes aren't too useful... (except for Safari users).

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Friday, 20 May 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

for some reason i have a venice (italy) webcam widget right now

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

also i finally found a canadian 411 widget, but really, that's one additional step than when i click the "canada 411" bookmark in my browser

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

firefox does not really like this OS.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 May 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

firefox does not really like this OS.

FWIW, I had a problem going from Firefox 1.0.3 to 1.0.4, but tossing Firefox's preference files first fixed it right up. Other than that Firefox has been quite happy.

Using OS 10.4.1 here.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 20 May 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

I'm getting lots more beachball action than before, and I have 1.5 gig of ram on a G5 dual. And no, that's not when I have a zillion apps open and am multitasking the shit out of the processors.

It seems to me that there are still some Java issues going on...things that are Java intense (azareus, etc.) seem to really confuse 10.4.1, and if I try to run multiple Java things (i.e. azareus and then a Java-happy webpage) it's a veritable beachball party. And even if I quit Safari and restart (or Firefox), the Java engine (or whatever the fook it is) seems to remain a bit confused.

Spotlight would be AWESOME if there was a patch for Entourage in the code, because right now, Spotlight can't search my 5,000 emails or 600 contacts.

― don weiner, Friday, 20 May 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

there's no plug-in at apple.com (in the os x downloads section?)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 May 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

the question mark should've gone outside the bracket there.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 May 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm downloading a Flickr posting dashboard widget- if it works well, it could be useful.

I'm also baffled by my inability to figure out how to get an itunes controller onto the dashboard, shouldn't this be built in somehow? I have the most recent itunes. hmmm.

― lyra (lyra), Saturday, 21 May 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, flickr thingie is here:
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/dashboard/flidget.html

― lyra (lyra), Saturday, 21 May 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

Haha, I'm a dork & was so busy playing with the translation widget that I failed to notice the handy itunes widget in the set of choices. Dur.

― lyra (lyra), Saturday, 21 May 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

more crashes since i installed the damn thing than in my two years of owning a powerbook! fuck tiger and its useless "widgets"!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 5 June 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

I installed it and it seems pretty much the same, except that some applications crash a bit more, i.e. at all, which sux, specifically Safari and Quicktime.

Spotlight is really really great, it's basically what I've wanted for years i.e. no more hunting around for anything. I start programs with it, open documents with it, its power is awesome.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 5 June 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

spotlight is definitely good, i'll give you that.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 5 June 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

but man do certain apps (like firefox!) sure hate tiger!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 5 June 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

also on a couple of occasions i've had these cascading crashes where EVERY program goes down, and nothing can re-open. sucks.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 5 June 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

weird!

― Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

I just bought an iMac G5. This thing...doesn't crash on me or throw 'puter tanties. My god, it's so full of stars!

― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

I do not use the Dashboard at all, mainly because I have a very very old computer, but even if I had a new one I still doubt I'd use it that much. My stock-quote needs are really very few, sorry I mean nonexistent, and I don't need a fuckin keyboard shortcut to look at, like the clock.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 6 June 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

After upgrading, the fan on my PowerBook (rev. a 12") keeps coming on at random times and staying on for ages. I've checked Activity Monitor and there's nothing out of the ordinary. A few users on Mac message boards are also experiencing this, so at least I'm not in panic mode.

Other than that, Firefox and Azureus are two of my main apps and neither of them is working that well. I can't wait for 10.4.2.

― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Monday, 6 June 2005 03:38 (twenty years ago)

I still haven't used it yet. I'm quite happy to let other people do the shake down. I'll pick it up soon though, hopefully with some kind of new mac that I may order after this evening.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 6 June 2005 07:39 (twenty years ago)

Office seems to crash a lot - especially Word - and even Mail has been known to crash as of late. Maybe it's due to our old bubble iMAC cause it doesn't happen on the G5 iMAC that we recently bought. Firefox and Safari work great (xrosseses fingaz).

― nathalie's baby (stevie nixed), Monday, 6 June 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

i wonder if slocki's problems aren't due to a "dirty" upgrade? if you have launchd AND the old 10.3 launchers (i think fired off by the /etc/rc script) working together they don't get on.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 6 June 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

Wel I've just been handed an old iBook with Tiger on it to use as a server admin machine at work so I will report back.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 6 June 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

a dirty filthy nasty upgrade!

do you mean a non-archive&install or erase upgrade? because i must shamefully confess that's what i did.

what's this mean? if you have launchd AND the old 10.3 launchers (i think fired off by the /etc/rc script) working together they don't get on.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 6 June 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

re: the fan coming on -- remember, it's just turned summer.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 6 June 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

well, almost.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 6 June 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Leopard next.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 6 June 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

re: the fan coming on -- remember, it's just turned summer.

Not here! (I live in Northern Alberta, after all.)

― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Monday, 6 June 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

fuck!! so slow! so crashy!! it's like i never switched over from windows millenium edition!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 6 June 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

fields I had forgotten that! Sometimes just a few degrees in either direction can make a difference. My LCD screen used to die promptly on the first day of spring each year until I invested in a $30 cooling podium thing that actually rocks, cause the whole computer is now swivelable. And I guess it's just cool enough that my screen is happy.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 6 June 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

At work the machine is as quiet as a lamb and I experience only one or two Firefox crashes. At home I can be running the same apps and the fan will come on, seemingly for no reason and run loud for fifteen minutes. I just realized there's only one difference between my setup at work and at home:

I use Airport at home. It must be the way Tiger is handling my AE card (or something like that) that is causing all that extra heat. Not impressed though.

― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

DUDE I SO LOVE THE ITUNES ALBUM COVERS SCREENSAVER THAT COMES WITH TIGER. I LOVE IT SO MUCH THAT I'M SHOUTING IT.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

four weeks pass...

are there any graphically appealing widgets? aside from the native ones, and the archive classic movies one i've already installed? i see a number of semi-useful widgets (translation, dictionary, etc.) but they are all ugly.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 06:51 (twenty years ago)

the trouble with the itunes album cover screensaver is that many (most) of my mp3s don't seem to have album-cover images attached, so the screensaver simply rotates among 40-50 album covers. gets boring after a bit.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 06:52 (twenty years ago)

widgets are only xhtml/javascript pages so you should be able to bolt on your own look and feel. Ctrl click on a widget click 'show package contents' and poke around

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

so the screensaver simply rotates among 40-50 album covers. gets boring after a bit.

do you watch it often? how long for? would you watch it more if you had more album covers? you can attach artwork to your mp3's very easily.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

there are scripts that will ferret out album covers and automatically attach them to your files.

there are also apps that can identify mp3s by their digital footprint in case the ID info is wrong or non-existant.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

Ferrets are well known for their ability to scavenge for useless junk.

― Stonky, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

my weather widget is still broken!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

OK, after months of sitting next to my iBook, I foolishly popped in the Tiger CD and now the internet doesn't seem to work (I'm connected wirelessly with a DLink router). I tried using the Assist function in Network (System Preferences) and after a few steps, it tells me that I am connected to the internet (fuckin' liar). Once in a while, I seem to be able to connect but that lasts like 30 seconds.

Anybody encountered the same problem?

― alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Monday, 22 August 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

I HATE TIGER

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 22 August 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

uh... that help?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 22 August 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

You hate Tiger? I mean, sure, it's not perfect, but I still like it. Alex, no, I haven't had that problem.

― nathalie starts to cry each time we meet (stevie nixed), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

stuff crashes like almost every day now!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

WAH? which programs? never happened. well, microsoft entourage refuses to work. so i use mail now which is actually just as good.

― nathalie starts to cry each time we meet (stevie nixed), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

firefox, iphoto, itunes, word... YOU NAME IT

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

Clearly you're the problem and not the computer. Upgrade yourself.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

i did but i keep crashing!! like every night for about 8 hours straight!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

Some forum posts suggest changing the computer name to something under 20 characters. I'm gonna try that when I get home and hopefully, I'll be able to move on to the next set of problems.

― alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

to my shame my computer is still called... MACINTOSH HD!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

can't you just reinstall 10.3, s1ocki?

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

i suppose you'd have to back everything up though.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

can anyone help me with this problem?

ive just switched over to a new computer here at work [PowerMac G4 733; Mac OS X (10.4.2); Extra RAM -- OK, its new for me] and use a webDAV server to keep track of my calendars. upon opening ical for the first time, i tried to subscribe to one of them and when i went to hit OK, it kind of hung there. i had to restart the application.

in addition to this problem, i cant see any of my calendars in the sidebar. i know they've loaded because when i use spotlight all of my to-do's and appointments pop up.

uh, help!

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

i had probs with my ical: it didn't save the appointments! now that i upgraded, it's okay. (i searched for a solution, and there wasn't any i could find.)

― nathalie starts to cry each time we meet (stevie nixed), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

weird, I haven't had Tiger crash at all, but that's on two new Macs. The only improvements over 10.3 I've found are things I never use, though - Dashboard and Spotlight.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Spotlight is ACE! I never use Dashboard either.

― nathalie starts to cry each time we meet (stevie nixed), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

Maria, open up Console.app (Applications, Utilities) and see if put anything in the logs.

All you people with problems with Tiger are nuts!

I like Spotlight for finding files but as an application launcher it sucks next to Quicksilver.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

i wish i was nuts :(

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

quicksilver!

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

here's what i found in the console:

2005-08-18 14:17:44.482 iCal[279] *** NSThread: ignoring exception '
In /SourceCache/CALCore/CALCore-657/src/entities/abstract/CALEntity.m(1040):-[CALEntity expandOnTimeRange:](): †rÜt' that raised during delayed perform of target 0x59f5b0 and selector 'setupRepositories'

2005-08-18 14:34:47.844 iCal[292] *** NSThread: ignoring exception '
In /SourceCache/CALCore/CALCore-657/src/entities/abstract/CALEntity.m(1040):-[CALEntity expandOnTimeRange:](): †rÜt' that raised during delayed perform of target 0x5a88c0 and selector 'setupRepositories'

2005-08-18 14:37:23.636 iCal[194] *** NSThread: ignoring exception '
In /SourceCache/CALCore/CALCore-657/src/entities/abstract/CALEntity.m(1040):-[CALEntity expandOnTimeRange:](): †rÜt' that raised during delayed perform of target 0x59e290 and selector 'setupRepositories'

2005-08-18 14:38:31.717 iCal[194] event creation tracker startCreation, item not present in array!
2005-08-18 14:38:37.383 iCal[194]
In /SourceCache/CALCore/CALCore-657/src/entities/abstract/CALEntity.m(1040):-[CALEntity expandOnTimeRange:](): †rÜt

2005-08-18 14:38:44.247 iCal[194]
In /SourceCache/CALCore/CALCore-657/src/entities/abstract/CALEntity.m(1040):-[CALEntity expandOnTimeRange:](): †rÜt

2005-08-18 14:40:02.853 iCal[194] *** Assertion failure in -[CALCalendarsOutlineView editColumn:row:withEvent:select:], TableView.subproj/NSTableView.m:3855

2005-08-18 14:40:02.856 iCal[194] Invalid parameter not satisfying: _lastSelectedRow == row
*** loading the extensions datasource
SendCommand err: -1
read fail: No such file or directory
SendCommand err: 33704

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

That old chestnut!

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Some forum posts suggest changing the computer name to something under 20 characters.

Wow, that was *it*.

― alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Monday, 22 August 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

So... should I download the 10.4.2 upgrade?

― alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Monday, 22 August 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

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