BNP election broadcast tonight.

If you want to find out your candidates, use the post code search on this link...

*why can't i take this shit seriously?

Why are we hiding his name? Don't we want random googlers?

hahahahahahahahaha

i want an mp3 of that song right now!

Anyone who wants to see it again can visit the BNP website if they so desire. Please bear in mind that they will doubtless flaunt the however many thousands of hits they get in the coming days.

He did in 2001. Griphon got smacked down hardcore.

Nice piece on Newsnight at the moment about the BNP's rising popularity in the Sikh and Hindu communities.

laughter is a good weapon against racism, so the BNP have scored a real own goal with this one.

a desk clerk with spikey green hair

and of course the whole video is up on the website now
http://www.bnp.org.uk/bnptv/bnp2005codec9.wmv

teehee!

I saw the Lewthwaite thing on Newsnight too. Nasty piece of work. Kicking to death would be too good.

Precisely because Griffin realised that by doing that they couldn't be prosecuted under anti-racism laws.

According to the Guardian yesterday, Channel 4 objected to the originally submitted version, not on content but on poor technical quality.

Lewthwaite on Newsnight: a nasty, nasty man. Claiming that the "genetic load" and general inbreeding of Muslims means that they have much higher levels of mental and physical disability than white people gives the lie to the claim that their anti-Muslim rhetoric is non-racial.

I mean, how can you campaign for not giving a democratic vote about something, and expect people to go "hurray, no vote for me!" ?

No 2: "Are you going to run?"
No 6: "Like blazes, the first chance I get."

Fans of xxxxx band not included.

according to stardard lite, tony blair is now planning to introduce ID cards for immigrants.. but didn't they want ID cards for everyone anyway to start with?

Thankfully, it stopped after 2 and a half minutes. I liked 'A desk lad with spiky green hair'?!? A real window on the petty little prejudices that they think will resonate. Also, the way in which certain lines from the song were subtitled.

Before the european elections I had to go to the town hall and get a scrappy bit of paper to say I could vote because I had only moved recently etc. By now I should be well established. Shoyuld I have a polling card or anything like that? Because I haven't, and I'm worried that I might become like one of those disenfranchised black people you hear about on the news.

Sorry, that didn't stay serious very long.

Should I have some kind of voting card or do I have to chase it up again (I can't, I'm at work)?

I didn't see the broadcast. But I did see some menko thing about mixed up babies.

can someone transcribe the lyric please?
i am loath (loathe?) to click on their own site after what madchen rightly pointed out about the no. of hits they get.

Actually - is this the first song to mention White Lightning as a social evil?

my god we were cold in the falklands
when the stars and the flares shone out clear
but at least i had my mates to share jokes with
it's much colder and lonelier here
and that sharp piece of argentine shrapnel
has hurt me for many a year
but not like when you look straight through me
pretending that i'm not even here

my god we were thirsty in kuwait
and choking on dust we wained(?) dry
we shared a few tears for our gary
when a mine took his legs and he died
and knowing the next step it could kill me
i thought it had taught me a fear
til i saw how you look straight through me
pretending that i just wasn't here

my god i saw angry to hear it
when home from the army i came
there were flats for iraqis and the afghans
but never a flat with my name
well i thought that the council would sort it
til a desk lad with spiky green hair
he said "next please" and he looked straight through me
pretending that i just wasn't there

so i swear and i curse and i mutter
though the anger is mainly inside
without hope there is no disappointment
there's no one out there on my side
well i know the white lightning will kill me
don't you see that i really don't care?
but it helps me to look straight through you
and pretend that i'm not quite all there

so i live where the police cars can't see me
in my rags and my old cardboard box
and there's no one who ould notice me vanish
'cept for my mate corporal fox
two broken old squaddies together
in the winter we share the same lair
and i'll bring him some bones(?) from out colenol
so he doesn't pretend i'm not there

also i'm sure i've heard the second last line wrong, unless frosty carries around his colenol's bones to show people...

Its a good job that song is so hilariously atrocious because I can't really imagine anyone taking it seriously. Better than going for something really hard-hitting along the same lines.

There's a sticker on a lamppost on the way to my work that says "BNP - KISS MA BUM" that makes me smile every time I see it.

I hope the cunts tell more "truth" and spend the election in jail.

Six major firms have withdrawn advertisements from the networking website Facebook, after they appeared on a British National Party page.
First Direct, Vodafone, Virgin Media, the AA, Halifax and the Prudential have all withdrawn ads. Virgin said it had to "protect its brand".

The advertisements appeared on a rotating basis on the BNP-related page.

A spokesman for the BNP said there was no reason to avoid the party. "There's nothing wrong with the BNP."

He added: "Unfortunately the media have created a bogeyman and really the fault lies with the media, who for some reason have vilified the BNP, and it has scared these people off."

Mobile phone giant Vodafone and bank First Direct were alerted to the positioning of the ads by New Media Age magazine, while Virgin Media, the AA, Halifax and the Prudential withdrew later.

New Media Age editor Justin Pearse said: "On the internet you often have little control of where your ads are shown, something that's been highlighted by the unwitting association of some of the UK's favourite brands with a highly controversial political cause."

Our public policy principles state that we do not make political donations or support particular party political interests

First Direct spokesman Rob Skinner said: "We are obviously concerned about where our advertising appears.

"We have got to make sure that the places we advertise are consistent with our own values and identity."

Vodafone said it wanted to continue to work with Facebook while "staying true" to its policies.

A spokeswoman for the mobile phone giant said it bought bundles of advertising space across a number of websites.

"As a result we were not aware that a Vodafone advertisement would appear next to a British National Party group on Facebook," she said

"Our public policy principles state that we do not make political donations or support particular party political interests and therefore to avoid misunderstandings we immediately withdrew our advertising as soon as this was brought to our attention."

The Prudential also said its policy was not to advertise with any political party.

A Virgin Media spokeswoman said: "We want to advertise on social networks but we have to protect our brand".

She said the company was now talking to its advertising agency to find ways of giving it some control over where its adverts would be placed online.

The AA also said it booked advertising space through a specialist agency and had "strict procedures in place with its agency to ensure it does not advertise on inappropriate sites."

It said it had recently pulled ads from YouTube after the BBC Panorama programme showed that videos of children fighting were being regularly uploaded.

In a statement, the Halifax said the position of ads on the site "is such that it may appear that we support the owners of specific pages. This is not the case."

this *probably* got them more publicity than ads on the bnp's page on facebook.

That group will be gone in a matter of minutes. Nothing to do with the racism of course, but losing that many advertisers that quickly has got to hurt. Especially when one of them is Virgin who will chase any ambulance and whack a logo on it.

Nick Griffin for Celeb BB 2008, then.

I tried to find this group on Facebook, but typing in "British N@tional Party" got me this:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2749845845

Hey guys, how are you celebrating the BNP's "White History Month"?

by reading about the romans.

o shit they're not white, are they.

What are they then?

It's important that a certain amount of time gets put aside to celebrate white history, as famous white people from the past are almost never mentioned in schools or the mainstream media. Indeed, I can barely name a single one.

Hitler, there's one.

barry george.

Here, leave Bobby George out of this

Is this where we gather round the fire and hear tales of the Metric Martyrs?

It's really about time Churchill got some recognition.

They should put some white people on the back of banknotes, that would even things up a bit.

They've even got a Jock on the banknotes these days, what a bleedin't liberty

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39705000/jpg/_39705957_soames203.jpg

A 'Truth Truck' will also visit universities.

Fuck the truth truck.

Fuck a Truck

Don't touch the truth truck.

Or fuck it.

Truth Truck, You Suck

^^^win

didn't william hague have one of these?

It does sound familiar

Fuck truck truth suck touch puck bucket.

Hague's "truth" thing was a bus, IIRC? PROVEN record of success, there anyway.

Major's Soapbox ftw

Get off the truth bus, Gus
Don't touch the truth truck, Chuck!
Just fuck the BNP, Lee
And set yourself free

Lorry of Lies more like. Wagon of Wank.

Touch The Truck's history. Dale does Hole In The Wall now, wherein Neil and Christine Hamilton pick each other up to dive in odd shapes through a polystyrene wall.

Omnibus of obfuscation.

didn't gear's roommate have one of these?

xxxxpost

The Bigot Buggy
The Creep Jeep

Mass transit unit of racist cunts.

Omnibus Horribilis

the wanker bus is coming

i'm going to make this song, actually

Wacky Racists

lol!

Swasticar

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2e/SlagBrothers.jpg/200px-SlagBrothers.jpg

The BNP really are a bunch of whingey emos when all's said and done - 'poor us, there's no white pride anymore, boo fucking hoo'.

Right wingers are always the biggest crybabies on the planet

Wacky Racists straight in at no.2 on all-time top blueski posts.

Nah it's ahead of maracas.jpg easy.

Nazi Taxi
Honky-Tank

KKK HGV

there's an xword clue in here... Wacky Racist Trucks (6)

stevem

nationalism express

suggest bandwagon

Wacky Racist Trucks = artics

aaaanyway

Combat 18 wheeler

The white people carrier...

The only Truth Truck I know of is the anti-abortion one in the US which featured huge blown up photos of aborted foetuses (I think, I'm not googling it at work), caused a bit of a stir a couple of years ago. It would certainly attract attention.

Perhaps we should send out the big gay pink tank to confront the truth truck.

anglo-saxon root master

route master-race

Or, as the Stop The BNP magazine puts it, the 'lie lorry'...

The Sorry Lorry

Featuring Ronnie Corbett?

Wacky Racists straight in at no.2 on all-time top blueski posts.

It was a one-off Viz strip a few years ago

blueski in disgrace

blueski = Raj Persaud of ILX

White man be driving a truth truck like this

It was a one-off Viz strip a few years ago

so was your mum

zing!

Pretty sure Fat Slags is more regular than that

speaking from experience

Which Viz character are you?

The truck rental company are gonna get screwed - those BNP guys are notorious haulage cost deniers.

^^^wd

^^ gold star

those BNP guys are notorious haulage cost deniers
those BNP guys are notorious haulage cost deniers
those BNP guys are notorious haulage cost deniers
those BNP guys are notorious haulage cost deniers

^^^how it's done

xp x 4

Er, x 3 - sorry Ned.

http://l.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/util/anysize/200,http:%2F%2Ff3.yahoofs.com%2Fymg%2Fukie_tv%2Fukie_tv-553267347-1205751479.jpg%3Fym3K.E_C5AVKxAfO?v=2

Consider my thigh slapped.

lol

"haulage cost deniers" Haha 10/10 NickB

that was pure lololololololololololololol

respect is due

Pretty amazing.

they'll probably blame it on the juice.

THAT WAS SHIT

Which issue of Viz did he steal it from? (xxxp)

Yeah, sorry about that. It was either that or 'Mein Kampervan'.

The entire list of members has been leaked.

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/11/18/the-entire-bnp-membership-list-has-been-posted-online/

Naz1s going apeshit.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/18/bnp_loses_list/

Couple of interesting comments on one fascist thread: 'People on here who have not seen the list but "don't give a fuck" clearly have not the seen the names of 2 Scottish Premier footballers, half a dozen teachers, close to 100 serving soldiers and Prison officers, people who could be in real fucking trouble.'

'Blows Rangers FC's anti-sectarian drives out of the water.'

Spent most of the afternoon trying to find this list online. Someone Wikileak this asap.

Teachers is the weird one.

Great stuff

'Blows Rangers FC's anti-sectarian drives out of the water.'

Their most Loyal fans will be delighted

Teachers is the weird one.

Classic british incompetence/fucktardery. I lol'd.

I know it's naive and shit, but I always go WTF at anybody in the army being in the fascists. What with the army having had 1000s of its members killed from 1939-1945 by, er, the fascists.

What with the army having had 1000s of its members killed from 1939-1945 by, er, the fascists thu foriners

3 guys I went to school with who joined the army (circa 2001) did so expressly to kill "pakis". So not so surprised that there's quite a big BNP presence there.

Predictions for first ILXOR to be found on the list?

I guess nrq and R0b3rt0 Sp1rall1 are freebies

I've got the list in front of me, fuck me I'm not rooting through it to find the footballers on it though. Presuming that it's not Nigel Quashie, though.

Spent most of the afternoon trying to find this list online. Someone Wikileak this asap.

Did you find it? There's a link at the bottom of one of those links upthread.

^^^read the message above

Haha, confusing you and Marcello - not for the first time I might add...

I've got the list in front of me, fuck me I'm not rooting through it to find the footballers on it though. Presuming that it's not Nigel Quashie, though

SPL footballers

Yeah, I found that out ten minutes ago. It's none of the Rangers or St Mirren first team, fwiw.

St. Mirren?

I just picked two teams at random to search through

yeah, was gutted that it's not a Rangers player.

Ferg, thanks for googleproofing my fake internet name. i did actually use this name when i submitted my membership for the BNP but it lapsed some time ago because i couldn't afford my dues, so i'm probably not on the list.

Not Aberdeen either.

no wonder roberto liked my 'wacky racists' quip so much

i started a facebook group, hope you don't mind.

My heart just skipped a beat on finding Shaun Maloney on the list, but this one lives in Sale.

He might have lived there when playing for Villa

... forgive me, Shaun

I get the feeling that Mr Sh@rif G@wad has kind of missed the point of the BNP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_Abdel_Gawad

^^^

but Mr Christian White nailed it

Yep, he's allowed in (xp)

Let's play the 'who's the nearest BNP member to your house' game! Andr3w Th0ma5, I can probably be at yours in five minutes if I get my stride on

Damn streetmap.co.uk's slow at the moment, everyone must be looking up their nearest racist.

on the 1st page i found a member from the richest part of my town.

ctrl-f "hobbies" is lol

Sorry, being stupid, any tips on finding this list for lols?

deep in commentz on that hurryupharry link. or, blogspot search

gotcha tahnks

help me out here, what is "allotment gardening"??

there's a tony blair on that list.

lots of "shooting" and/or "shotting" in there too

yeah that url makes sense!

Jac0b C0l3man might be even closer and lives on the same cul-de-sac as my mate used to

as far as i can see, two near me, in the two streets i lived on before my current address.

No-one in my immediate area, I guess the nearest is by St James's St station

Stet: one of our sort-of colleagues is on it, yeh? Hoo.

"Classic british incompetence/fucktardery. I lol'd."

that's the kind of incompetence/fucktardery we need more of in this country!

in related news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7736353.stm

Let's play the 'who's the nearest BNP member to your house' game! Andr3w Th0ma5, I can probably be at yours in five minutes if I get my stride on

― The tit man from the hilarious 'Loudon Wainwright III' song (DJ Mencap)

Don't know how to check the distance, but the guy in my town is so close, if I ran full pelt I could be there within a minute.

Who are the 2 SPL players btw? Someone email me.

in related news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7736353.stm

― Neil S,

Marcello wil be disappointed

hey jim 1 from uddy and 1 from viewpark too

x-post Gaunt, victim of Brown's PC Britain.

xp. Yeah I checked that. Both pretty near to each other, the non-Viewpark one being in Fallside (which is across the road from Viewpark), and just round the corner from where a mate of mine lives.

I don't really know the area Jim. Just a wee bit of Uddy as i have a mate there for the past 20 years.
Viewpark is mental though.

Surprisingly none from Blantrye and only 5 from Larkhall.

I was also shocked to find that when I searched for "no surrender" only two had it in their email address with only four having RFC in theirs.

and also only four having RFC in theirs even, including one of the no surrenders.

A couple (as in husband and wife) in the road next to my kids school. Clearly trying to influence innocent minds.

Did goole really want to know about allotment gardening?
http://www.allotment.org.uk/

real question is what an allotment is

little bit of land you rent off the council/an independent organisation to grow vegetables on.

You might have a little hut on it, and it will be amongst all the other allotments in a patch of land. This is often in the middle of an urban, residential area.

how quaint

Here's mine!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2361/2454234398_0cc0db9f1d_m.jpg

Who are the 2 SPL players btw? Someone email me.

Googling SPL players BNP gave me the answers in about two seconds. Both Celtic, one out on loan with a very VERY common name, the other mentioned by Jim already, but very unlikely to actually be him.

Really? Popbitch board says a well and gers player

Aye, but I looked for both of the popbitch board suggestions and they aren't on it. Bit of a piss-easy one to disprove, and I'm fairly convinced neither of the people sharing names with Celtic players are actually the Celtic players.

I mean, how hard is it to check against a list that's all over the internet?

It's a very long list and in lots of parts. At least the one I'm looking at is. Hopefully someone will put up a single searchable doc soon.

MIGHTY LOLS at panicking BNP fuckwits all over the web going: "Ooh no, I might lose me job!" Utter, utter, utter cockshafts.

Aye, but someone on popbitch pretty much identified two suggested SPL players - if you know the names you're looking for, it's not difficult to find that they aren't there.

xpost

I thought this might hurt Griffin in some way but he seems to be toughing it out at the moment...

...it’s water off a duck’s back to the stout-hearts of the British National Party. Let’s enjoy the publicity bonus!

One hit for my postcode area; some cunt three streets along.

A good half-dozen people in the town I grew up in who must be fathers or brothers of people I went to school with but far less than that in good old E3, no surprise.

Special mention to: "Report from Mike Howson 2/8/07: member describes himself as a witch: potential embarrassment if active"

3 or 4 in my post code area. about 10 from my old postcode area (luton town lol).

There's some fella in york with my name. Maybe i will email him. "i'm your long lost nonracist brother, high five!"

There's a Talksport reporter on the list, no shit.

And it's not Gaunty.

Two people on my street. Neither of them are footballers.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2005/12/329633.html

However this morning when the BNP held a demonstration against the Bishop of Sheffield in the city centre it was only attended by seven prime examples of the master race.
-

Still raises a smile.

grimly, no: just same name/area. Nightmare for him, eh?

woah skimming through the hobbies on the list = psychogeographical tour of little england. er, i mean little britain.

It begins: http://uwww.youtube.com/watch?v=glYQVqVKNgc

Lecturer in human rights/data protection

Think he might be the most popular man in the party right now?

Or even

Or evenL

Arrgh!

The BNP are against the data protection act aren't they?

loads very close to my previous address. not so many here

there's one guy who has an NVQ in slaughtering

lol @ Nazi Hotel

Camberwell 6 East Dulwich 2

as expected

Kings Heath 11!!! Bastards!!!

There's one round the corner from me. I just went to check which house.

I never thought I'd tell this to another living soul, but I had to take an emergency drunken shit right outside there two years ago. Now I feel proud of it.

but I had to take an emergency drunken shit right outside there two years ago.

― Chopper Aristotle (Matt DC), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 00:24 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Did this outside the arcade near Lancaster bus station once. Don't think that's owned by racists though.

Blog's just been taken down.

"Sons of immigrants defecating in OUR streets - enough is enough!" a Daily Mail exclusive

"Window cleaner. Former pig farmer. Pagan prison chaplain. Hobbies: growing mistletoe, rune making (wood)"

Oh dear - my neighbour (I'm number 9, he's number 10) is on the list. :(

http://www.muslimtorrents.com/torrents-search/call+to+prayer/1

Download and play really loudly.

Yeah, I think he's the house across from me, who plays country music really loud when he's drunk.

there's only two kinds of music i love. country and muslim calls to prayer.

Just play this

no one especially close to me, but there is someone from my small hometown with the not particularly common maiden name of my grandmother. Here's hoping!

I'd love to read the thesis of the inter-religious dialogue doctoral student.

Viewpark is mental though.

Never a truer word spoken on ILx.

There's lots of people from my home town on the list. One about 200 yards away from my parents' house. Only one member in my girlfriend's home town though, which is classic High Tory country (W. Hague MP).

Oh man, this is some bad news day for the Nazis:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1945960.ece

My favourite bit from the list:

'Will not be renewing 07 (objects to being told he shouldn't wear a bomber jacket)'

Where is the list now?

wikileaks

grimly, no: just same name/area. Nightmare for him, eh?

That's a relief -- not that I know the guy, but even so.

Kind of a spectacular pisser for him, mind.

Especially as it's not a particularly common name or anything.

Right, checked surnames, locations, feel reasonably unthreatened by either close proximity, or 'same name' blues...

I had to check it to see if my dad's on it :(

(he's not)

Round my postcode way: half a dozen, all male and single, all living in crap council estates.

lol
http://my.telegraph.co.uk/johnlalapins/blog/2008/11/18/entire_bnp_membership_details_leaked_to_internet someone's posted it all to the comments page

A knife to the chest of polite pretense (sic)

Mostly village dwellers and country bumpkins round our way.

Google Maps version: http://spod.cx/bnp_members_list.shtml

my conspiracy theory is the B|\|P leaked this on purpose so members could get an idea of where each other lived thus building comradery.

Looking at Leicester addresses almost all (and there are aren't that many) from the big white working class estates and a (very) few from the very poshest part of town. So absolutely no surprises there, same demographic they've always had. Seems to be a lot in Lancashire.

The BNP are against the data protection act aren't they?

Yes, otherwise they'd have a problem with Redwatch, which makes this leak look very tame by comparison.

Blimey, that googlemaps version is a bit scary - the fuckers are everywhere!

2 mins ago:

"Oh look, our area is pretty clear! How about that! oh hang on the map just UPDATED!!"

so much for Griffin getting into Euro Parliament

hm so i see that a thread i started has inadvertently become linked with the whole bnp name/shame fest. i wonder if they can 'get me' using the 'send this user an email' function. i'm sure they have bigger fish to fry mind.

DERE PISXESX (YUO MUST BE FURRIN WTH A NAME LIK THAT)

WE NO WHERE YUO LIV

OH, NO. HANG ON, YOU NO WHERE WEE LIV

SHIT

YORES
BNP

sorry but whoever did that google map has way too much time on their hands

yrs
an ilxor

also : lol at all the MoD BNP yobs who mentioned their Rank, # , and unit postal address

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=32095749&postID=300681785381908982

I found this list posted on Various Islamic Muslim Forums and Jewish Boards - some of the people on there are nutters and whackos! Shit knows what happens if alqaeda or IDF gets hold of that!

lol al qaeda

lol idf

some of the people on there are nutters and whackos
some of the people on there are nutters and whackos
some of the people on there are nutters and whackos
some of the people on there are nutters and whackos
some of the people on there are nutters and whackos
some of the people on there are nutters and whackos

Stelling said...

Ah man i don't know what to do about this. There was a report about a policeman getting fired for just having a BNP badge. I don't want to lose my job over this.

Just now my mate Chris rang me, he works in the public domain, and all he could do was scream, "Unbelievable Jeff!" Down the phone at me. I could not calm him down at all. We are all just confused about how something like this could happen.

I just hope the list does not fall into the wrong hands. As someone has pointed out, the last thing we need is more violence.

Islamic Muslims are the worst kind tbf

"I must admit I'm rather torn over this: one the hand I'm on the list, but on the other I'm an estate agent adn am anticipating an unpturn on the currently stagnating housing market, since quite a few people may well be wanting to move in the near future. Swings and roudabouts, as they say."

Anonymous said...

A racist estate agent?!?! You must be a hit with the ladies!!

18 November 2008 21:14

HAHA

How can Griffin run a country if he can't run a membership list?

Y'know, I'm kind of surprised how small the number of fully paid up BNP members actually is. I'd expected it to be a lot larger.

I'm considering going round the corner to my local racist and putting up a fake planning notice informing him of Greenwich Council's intention to build a mosque in his front garden.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/3479612/BNP-membership-list-leaked-onto-internet.html

A BNP spokesman said that Nick Griffin, the party's leader, has made a complaint to Dyfed Powys Police about the publication.
The spokesman said Mr Griffin alleges that publication of his members' details violates both the Data Protection Act and the Human Rights Act, legislation his party has said should be repealed.

lolol

There speaks the Cambridge-educated lawyer.

LOLsomest thing about this is the way that all these "proud" to be "british" assholes are freaking the fuck out when their nasty little secret is revealed. So much for white "pride"! It's such archetypally ENGLISH behaviour trait as well. "england for the english, wogs out, er...whatever you do, don't tell anybody I said that, will you"

Indeed - if they really believed all this, wouldn't you expect them to be stand up, be counted, etc.?

Ah, but there's a persecution/conspiracy narrative going on here as well. As those blog comments drag on, the blame gets shifted from 'leak by disgruntled former member' to 'plot by marxist rulers'

I think the party spokesman has now said it's a Labour plot.

IK on the money. The BNP always think it's someone else's fault, whether that be blaming perceived problems in Britain on immigrants, or blaming Labour for leaking a list that it is their responsibility to have kept secure.

LOLsomest thing about this is the way that all these "proud" to be "british" assholes are freaking the fuck out when their nasty little secret is revealed. So much for white "pride"! It's such archetypally ENGLISH behaviour trait as well. "england for the english, wogs out, er...whatever you do, don't tell anybody I said that, will you"

Beautifully, beautifully put. It's actually a joy to watch these tossbags implode.

That was Griffin's argument from the start (and goes back to the split last year) - these people (who have left and have now, supposedly put this list up) are not REAL PATRIOTS but nulab/commie infiltrators running scared from the might of his party.

xp

BNP website seems to be down at the moment as well, no doubt overwhelmed by messages of support.

There's a certain high-ranking BNP member who's been in some very notable court cases who is apparently a M15 plant to make sure that the BNP aren't planning to do anything of use ever.

By the way, who are the 'IDF' who might get hold of the list in dom's quote above? The only thing that springs to mind is the Israeli Defence Force, but not even the bnp can be that stupid/paranoid/laughable, can they? (I may be giving these guys too much credit, I realise)

Right, we've had the list, we've had the map.

Now, someone do the "Sgt Pepper style headpix" shot?

(xpost) Possibly they mean International Diabetes Federation

The only thing that springs to mind is the Israeli Defence Force, but not even the bnp can be that stupid/paranoid/laughable, can they?

That was what I assumed they meant; then again, my answer to the second part of that sentence would always, unconditionally be "yes, of course they can!"

The only thing that springs to mind is the Israeli Defence Force, but not even the bnp can be that stupid/paranoid/laughable, can they? (I may be giving these guys too much credit, I realise)

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It is the IDF, because dude mentions going on "Jewish" forums (jdate.com?)

Church leader 'stupid' to sign up to BNP

Of course, as this is last years list, he's still on it, with added details.

Activist. Ex-Conservative and then Lib-Dem councillor, ex-chairman of local Green Party and UKIP member
Minister of Religion. Hobbies: steam railways

Seems a tad confused.

lols from the ads on that page: "Being green doesn't mean giving up the things you like... ...just making wiser and smarter choices."

"I also discovered the party was anti-Semitic and homophobic.

I'd hope that even Jesus might consider not giving this twat the benefit of the doubt.

By Jesus, I assume that you mean the Jewish, definitely non-white Nazarene, who spent most of his time in the company of men, and didn't have sex with a prostitute? Summary: one more vicar in hell...

Further hint: someone called the "King of the Jews" is unlikely to be lenient with an anti-Semitic vicar

What's that, Pope Pius XII? Sorry, it's hard to hear you over the crackling flames.

whats wrong with you all,be proud that you are members of a party that one day WILL make a difference, and will improve the lives of ordiary english people

What do all those dudes who left the BNP because it was too liberal and formed the White National Party have to say about this?

And as I try to make my way
To the ordiary world
I will learn to survive

What do all those dudes who left the BNP because it was too liberal and formed the White National Party have to say about this?

"I hope to be a shining beacon for kids who had been in trouble. The last 18 months have been hell. I got out of jail, got back to St James's Park, was booed by the fans and wasn't playing particularly well.

I somehow felt the strength to come through it and start putting in some performances. But you don't just come out of prison and see the light - it's a work in progress."

RE: the Youtube video I posted above, in The Times:

But Richard, a Blackpool hotelier, said: "We did have some strange phone calls last night but if you are a member of any party you should not be ashamed of it."

The first page of that article names a different Talksport presenter than the one I spotted on the list, too.

I see (from the video on the times article) that Griffin is still using Combat 18 for protection.

There too much liberal nonsense defending the BNP.

james, zurich, switzerland

BOOM!

I'm a fucking Prison Officer! My name is printed on the list too! I'd like the party to make a legal case under the DPA 1998 and the Human Rights Act to have all the people on this list protected in some way. It's probably too late now the list is even to be found on WIKILEAKS and Cryptome! It can NEVER be removed from these sites as the owners just ignore any court orders and besides, they are located overseas and use servers in Thailand. Well I want an explantion how this has happened. What idiot had this information in the clear, why wasn't it encrypted? I'm going to lose my career because HM Prison Service doesn't allow it's staff to belong to the BNP. It looks like I may have to take legal action against my employer to protect my position. I have worked for the Prison Service for 23 years and have always treated EVERYONE the same. NEVER been racist towards black prisoners. I just want my country to remain WHITE and Christian.

Poor dear.

'I just want my country to remain WHITE and Christian.'

He needs to have a word with his fellow member who claims to be a witch.

http://www.localgibson.com/bnp/

lots of bnp in mitcham, wotta surprise

"Normans go home!"

The charity shops in Mitcham are the only place I've ever seen a copy of 30 Golden Greats by the Black and White Minstrels.

My local racist has contributed to The Spectator, and appears to like trolling Students Union websites asking tough questions as to who the real fascists might be.

http://www.localgibson.com/bnp/

Aw shit, there are TWO in my postcode!

Is wikileaks dead for everyone else?

Is for me.

Wikileaks servers are currently overloaded by extreme popularity. Become a supporter of Sunshine Press (Wikileaks) so we can deploy additional servers for your country and continue our mission.

nah

This Guardian map is better, because it's done on a members per consituency basis. The other one didn't adjust for population density.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/interactive/2008/nov/19/bnp

Loughborough? England for hockey players only?

Aw shit, there are TWO in my postcode!

― grimly fiendish

But people in your area have their own Nationalist party to join.

Jokes, bruv, etc...

I checked out my nazi neighbours earlier. There was a rat-faced kid lurking outside, revving a souped-up Nova. We eyeballed each other as I walked past. I broke eye contact. First blood to the fascisti.

I'm glad that map included Skye.

A Mr H4dl3y from Scunthorpe: Mobile DJ with singing partner, snakes & spiders

Loughborough? England for hockey players only?

Oh yes, and my borough (Charnwood). There is a BNP councillor in a village nearby and that bloke who was Griffin's co-defendant lives in Rothley. They're going to come down the A6 and take the bastion of multiculturalism that is Leicester by storm.

Really depressing that map - my borough has the MOST members. wtf.

I'm in Pendle, which has the third most members in the country. So far I've found:

8 people who live within 5 minutes walk of me.
The husband of a close friend of my wife
Other family members on my wife's side.
And, amusingly, 3 people who are currently sectioned under the mental health act. I should know, I did the assessments!

november 2008: not a banner month for white supremacy

but white stupidity, however...

Something about Talksport's Rod Lucas' story doesn't quite add up:

Rod says "I mentioned during my broadcasts at the time, my intentions of joining and charted the progress on air and dually signed to the BNP 2004/2005 for 1 year only. I used my real name and profession as a radio journalist/production. It was no secret to my listeners.

Surely announcing on air that you're intending to join the BNP for 'research' would make them suspicious of you? Either he's implying that the BNP are too thick to check out potential members, or that no one was listening to the radio show he did in 2004.

It's actually probably both, but still.

Depressing how racist&susceptible the north/yorkshire is. Some people getting very British&very ridiculous at the unexpected collapse of public/private split. Seems like part of the BNP support is people's frustration at being ashamed of their own beliefs. I don't think the publicising or sacking will achieve much&like ID cards an example where in the public debate the burden is on the individual to justify their privacy.

But people in your area have their own Nationalist party to join

Chortle etc ... see Russell Brand C/D thread for my own tortured thoughts about that.

(Why that thread? Well, why not?)

Much to my surprise there's no party members in west lancs. Paticularly surprising as the BNP put a candidate up for my ward in the last council elections. Even more surprising as he lives on the road next to mine. Maybe he's lying.

There are a few people in Skelmersdale - that's west lancs innit?

Skinheadsdale more like, amirite?

So apparently the Keith Bessant on the membership list was the Green Party candidate for Cheltenham at the last elections.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/html/138.stm

I'm shocked to discover that there are some Green "Kill All the Naughty Humans and Hand the Planet Over to Kittys" Party members that are a bit right-wing, like.

that's really cynical!!!!!!!!

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2864/griffin62mq7.jpg

http://lolgriffin.blogspot.com/

American racists: dress better than English ones

Try wearing that shit in Blooters in Burnley on a Friday night and see how many hearts and minds it wins you.

For pity's sake, who gives a fuck about what political party anyone belongs to and what the hell do their political beliefs have to do with their capability to carry out their job?

C4 News last night achieved the virtually impossible feat of almost making me feel sorry for Nick Griffin - the hideous Guru-Murthy just kept on barking away on autopilot, not letting him get a word in, not even bothering to listen to what he had to say (as crass and evasive as what most of NG had to say was, he still had the right to say it). And there was a soundbite from someone in Respect OH THE IRONY.

Whether you like the B*P or not, they are a legal, legitimate political party and their members have as much right to express their views and be ridiculed/laughed out of court for them as any other party.

If you despise them/disagree with them then you exercise your democratic right not to vote for them in elections.

Deal with the Bonehead Right as the Americans did a few weeks ago - send them packing at the ballot box.

If we start taking away people's livelihoods because of their political beliefs then we really are back in McCarthyland and you might as well vote the fascists in for all the difference it will make.

All that happens is that you create new martyrs and the B*P's poll ratings go rocketing upwards.

Let them crucify themselves, or prove themselves.

For pity's sake, who gives a fuck about what political party anyone belongs to?

Err, you? Threads passim.

what the hell do their political beliefs have to do with their capability to carry out their job?

The BNP isn't just a bog-standard political party, Marcello. And "We hate everyone who isn't white" isn't exactly a bog-standard political belief.

I give a fuck. Joining a party such as the BNP is showing active support for a party who say (at the very least) that some of the children you might teach or some of the people you might police have less rights than others. That MAY NOT be reason enough to sack them but I certainly think that employers and parents should be aware of it.

Living in a borough with 82 of the living braindead has made me extremely sensitive this morning. The school my children attend is a role model of multicultural education with children from India, Pakistan, Kenya, DRC, Poland, Malaysia and Russia and all getting along just fine thanks very much. If a teacher at that school thinks that some of those children shouldn't be there, and cares enough about that to join a party dedicated to keeping them out, I would like to know because I don't want it fucked up.

What business is it of any employer or parents what people think in private?

Philip Larkin was a far right racist and a probable pederast but that didn't stop him from doing an excellent job of running (and building) the library at Hull University for some twenty years. Nor did it prevent him from being a brilliant poet.

When the hell are people going to realise that you assess workers on their capability to do the job, not what they happen to think or believe in their own mind?

If we go down this road then we're going to end up in Nazi Germany anyway so what's the difference?

Unfortunately too many people here (and elsewhere) are only too happy to speak up for democracy as long as it agrees with them.

Unfortunately too many people here (and elsewhere) are only too happy to speak up for democracy as long as it agrees with them

Look, I'm not going to speak up on behalf of some cunt who wants to deprive everyone else of their rights. That's a given.

However: nor am I going to go around actively calling for BNP members to lose their jobs. That's up to their employers. There's a difference: if these doss twats are in jobs where (as some of them seem to be moaning about) membership of the BNP could get them sacked, that's their own stupid lookout.

The point you're almost making there is this: for every paid-up BNP member working for Mole Valley Valves, or wherever, there's probably at least one person with similarly vile views who simply happens not to be a member of a political party. So no: of course we can't have some kind of thought police, screening people's private beliefs.

However: if someone knows that a certain action is going to put their job at risk, and decides they're going to do it anyway ... tough.

Indeed. And I'm not going to speak up on behalf of anyone who wants to deprive everyone else, however doss a twat they might be, of their right to free speech.

And unless there's a direct, active conflict with the nature of the work they're doing or the people they're working with, or for, no job should be dependent upon someone's political beliefs. If my pipes leak and I need to call out a plumber I don't give a damn how or why or if they vote; as long as they fix them and don't take the piss with their quote then that's fine.

Well, at the risk of you lot just going "he just agrees with what Marcello says"..

That post upthread about the prison warden who treats all the inmates equally and does not insult people based on their race, but just happens to have the opinion etc...

See, there's an occupation where the work is done in close proximity to others, as opposed to Police where some independant/autonomous working is done. Clearly, if a warden was openly racist, he should be sacked. That has nothing to do with his membership of the BNP. The police have a clear mandate to be equal to all people, but there is way too much power implicit in the pole to not get abused.

Am I the only one, btw, to suspect the BNP leaked this list themselves, to get debate rolling about 'freedom of speech' once more?

NG gave a big "how RIDICULOUS!" guffaw (and a rather forced one) when he was asked that on C4 News but who knows? Either way it's got them renewed publicity and...

...It's A Good Story!

(but a wiser interviewer - John Sergeant, for instance - would have shut up and let him hang himself, so to speak...)

NG on SCD next week?

Grimly OTM.

Well we've got Kilroy in the jungle at the moment; stranger things have happened (xp)!

And Dannii Minogue's still on the X Factor...

Am I the only one, btw, to suspect the BNP leaked this list themselves, to get debate rolling about 'freedom of speech' once more?

I think revealing that they are not completely made up of unemployed skinhead thugs may help them.

My favourite bit of the story so far is them citing the Human Rights Act whilst maintaining their desire to abolish it.

I'm mostly with Marcello in that I agree that ones private thoughts, beliefs and even prejudices should not affect ones employability. However, if someone is a party activist and is actively campaigning to e.g. repatriate non-whites then turning up next day for work at immigration control then there's a conflict of interest there that should be addressed in a way that ensures those prejudices and opinions don't affect that person's judgement, or that the are not in a position to exercise any influence on whether or not someone is allowed into the country.

The most pleasing thing about this is that they have so few members.

I think we're in broad agreement, folks.

The most pleasing thing about this is that they have so few members.

They do? Seems like a lot to me. Nick Griffin is one ugly sonofabitch.

I suppose the bit about the footballers on the list was made up then?

Don't believe the footballer stuff at all. After all, they all listen to George Benson and Lionel Richie.

Unless they're self employed, working alone or in a team staffed entirely by racists, I can't see how being outed as a member of the BNP wouldn't create a divisive atmosphere and impair that team's ability to function properly. It's not something you can get over by just talking it through and this issue is far from cut and dried.

I think there were about 10 or 12 thousand on the list and many of them have since left (SPLITTERS!) to join More White Than You or whateverthefuck. I think that's fairly small potatoes from a voting population of about 45 million, though I don't know how it compares with other minority parties.

There are no footballers that I know of on the list. There was a Chr1s B0yd and a Sh4un M4l0n3y but both lived in England. I had 3 text messages yesterday morning "confirming" that B0b M4lc0lm FTP was on the list. He wasn't.

Don't believe the footballer stuff at all. After all, they all listen to George Benson and Lionel Richie.

I met some racists / BNP / Skinheads once (long story), and they had brilliant tastes in music.

So, no.

The original skinheads (i.e. the one who listened to reggae and soul) weren't racists, by and large

There's an explicit rule that police officers can't be members (I presume because of past perceptions of racism; and I'd also presume that it'll be subject to review as those perceptions fade, though who exactly is going to push for that I don't know). That's why they're different from other mainstream professions.

I think expecting yr average BNP member to have the intelligence and discretion to separate their political beliefs from the performance of their day to day work duties might be a big ask.

I think expecting yr average BNP member hardline Islamist to have the intelligence and discretion to separate their political beliefs from the performance of their day to day work duties might be a big ask.

I think expecting yr average hardline Islamist Creationist to have the intelligence and discretion to separate their political beliefs from the performance of their day to day work duties might be a big ask.

I think expecting yr average Creationist Socialist to have the intelligence and discretion to separate their political beliefs from the performance of their day to day work duties might be a big ask.

and so on

The latter would only work if they worked in the City and there aren't many people still working in the City hyuk hyuk.

OK, I see, Socialists fit in there neatly alongside hardline Islamists and Creationists?

Don't you know one's just been elected President of the U-nited States!

i needed an example of a left wing political position to counter the right wing example and balance the religious ones

You should have replaced "Socialist" with "George Galloway," well-known broadcaster on far right radio station TalkSport.

Marxist-Leninist would have done

In any case, I don't think you're right at all. It's kind of fundamental to living in modern society that your private life and work life be separate and I don't know anyone who has a problem with this (loons may be an exception, but you did cite average people in your post). It really annoys me when those who do have a problem get pandered to - e.g. pharmacists refusing to dispense the morning -after pill.

Indeed. Yesterday's victims always become today's tyrants.

landlords refusing to serve you your 15th pint

well it is nearly an armful

Ask for a tray next time

It's terrible he's reduced to being a barman after being on The Apprentice.

I think expecting yr average Socialist to have the intelligence and discretion to separate their political beliefs from the performance of their day to day work duties might be a big ask

Hmm. A leftier-than-thou acquaintance of mine once refused to write a story for the newspaper for which he was working on the grounds that it was nothing more than union-bashing.

This might have been more admirable had it not been for the fact that I don't remember him piping up when -- for example -- said newspaper spearheaded a truly despicable campaign of undisguised homophobia, or when -- just for instance -- anyone else except him was asked to write similar stories.

I haven't known any hardline Islamists since I was 16 (and, TBH, I think a lot of his antics were for effect; you could get away with "lol jihad" in Blackpool in 1992). Certainly, his interpretation of certain Islamic tenets was interestingly fluid, as evinced during a trip to McDonald's.

Either way, though: I think most people, whatever their beliefs, are capable of conforming to the expectations of a job as long as it suits them to do so. The desire to get paid, after all, transcends most others. Hence all the panic from these BNP fuckwits about being outed.

This might have been more admirable had it not been for the fact that I don't remember him piping up when -- for example -- said newspaper spearheaded a truly despicable campaign of undisguised homophobia

because one was important enough to him to do so and one wasn't, obviously enough. Or does he have had to adopt all 'left wing' beliefs by adopting some?

because one was important enough to him to do so and one wasn't, obviously enough. Or does he have had to adopt all 'left wing' beliefs by adopting some?

If I'm reading you correctly -- and really, I'm not 100% sure what your second sentence means; "does he have had to" is mind-boggling -- then ...

... well, if he doesn't want to lay himself open to charges of hypocrisy (which we're all guilty of; then again, not all of us go around preaching about how fantastically left-wing we are), then yes, of course he does.

More important, I'd argue, was this bit, which you chose not to quote:

or when -- just for instance -- anyone else except him was asked to write similar stories

I mean, it's not like this was the only time said newspaper had ever planned or printed a story that was in direct opposition to said dude's beliefs. But it was the first time he'd actively been asked to write it. So: it's OK for him to take their money as long as someone else is doing the dirty work?

Once again, I reiterate: we're all hypocrites on some scale. Even people who align themselves with political or religious groups. So no, although I wouldn't be happy about a BNP member teaching my children, there are two points here: 1) I imagine even your average BNP member is capable of keeping their repugnant views hidden if it keeps them their job; 2) as I said above, you don't have to be a BNP member to hold repugnant views.

Obviously, it's a pretty big problem if a BNP member starts revealing their views in passing (ie not overtly); but again, see point 2).

wow, i have no idea what happened me there, but i think you got it right.

i was really just wondering if it's accepted that to be a 'leftie' you had to buy in to all of the various umbrella beliefs, as opposed to strongly believing in just one or two 'specialist' areas, like this guy, perhaps- i don't see any inconsistencies with him being more interested in union issues than any other, for instance.

i didn't quote/pick at the other part because i think you're right about that- if it was that important to him that he refused to write an article, then it's inconsistent for him to have no problem with someone else doing so.

i'd still argue that he shouldn't bring those beliefs to work with him, but then some types of work will be more open to intrusion from your personal political beliefs than others, journalism being one.

i was really just wondering if it's accepted that to be a 'leftie' you had to buy in to all of the various umbrella beliefs, as opposed to strongly believing in just one or two 'specialist' areas

You're maybe right; I think the problem here is that this chap in particular was such a monomaniacal, droning tool when it came to social issues that really, you'd have thought he was the saviour of the world. Trust me: there wasn't a single belief about which he wasn't substantially more right-on, clued-up and well-read than you. (In his own mind, at least.)

And that, of course, is the problem with the hard left: they lay themselves open to charges of hypocrisy so much more easily than everyone else.

some types of work will be more open to intrusion from your personal political beliefs than others, journalism being one

Absolutely: it's one line of work where, arguably, your political beliefs will define for whom you work (in theory; in practice, cognitive dissonance works wonders when Rupert Murdoch or Lord Rothermere come calling). But the more extreme your beliefs, the more of a twat you look when you sacrifice them ...

... which brings us neatly back to Pash's wonderful point, upthread, about these supposed LAST BASTIONS OF GRATE BRITAIN who, umm, would rather you didn't mention any of that, thank you.

Absolutely: it's one line of work where, arguably, your political beliefs will define for whom you work

Several million years evidence of left wing journalists/ columnists/ politicians working for right wing rags would suggest otherwise

i was really just wondering if it's accepted that to be a 'leftie' you had to buy in to all of the various umbrella beliefs

Well, Militant Tendency amongst others used to do a good line in comedy Engels-inspired homophobia, so not really.

That said, homophobia, racism, bring back the birch, it's all just a lifestyle choice really. It's not like the BNP has any connection with groups that actively harm and terrorise their political enemies at all.

Several million years evidence of left wing journalists/ columnists/ politicians working for right wing rags would suggest otherwise

Or, umm, would suggest it is still the case and, y'know, it's a good way to carve out a niche?

That is: it would if I could think of more than a handful of examples. Most publications have a token voice or two of dissent, but it's not like they're usually noted for representing a wide spectrum of views.

I think expecting yr average hardline Creationist to have the intelligence and discretion to separate their political beliefs from the performance of their day to day work duties might be a big ask.

just an aside, but at least one creationist working in biology has lost their research post due to their creationist beliefs.

Was that for his/her beliefs, though, or was it for being unable to do his/her job right?

grim: Hmm. A leftier-than-thou acquaintance of mine once refused to write a story for the newspaper for which he was working on the grounds that it was nothing more than union-bashing.

This might have been more admirable had it not been for .. when -- just for instance -- anyone else except him was asked to write similar stories.

Yeah, but it's like eating shit: It's one thing to allow other people to do it, but bringing youself to do it can prove impossible, right?

(or have we just nailed this one)

His beliefs, in the eyes of his employers, directly prevented him from being able to do his job right.
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/12/slackjawed-crea.html

xp

Can't really complain about that, if the employer's side is right. Glenn Hoddle, on the other hand...

It's not just about revealing your views, there's a whole gamut of prejudices that would seep into the everyday job in dozens of ways. No one who's a known member of the BNP should be in *any* position where they have direct responsibility for or authority over black/Asian/gay people, be it as a teacher or manager or whatever. BNP membership, public or otherwise, directly affects their ability to do their job.

Yes maybe they can magically suspend all prejudices between 9 to 5 and stop that affecting their treatment of the people in their charge but I don't believe that for one second.

Glenn Hoddle, on the other hand...

Karma

Or Korma, in the case of a BNP guy

At least Hoddle could take the religious discrimination of he safe in the knowledge that he would be compensated in the next life.

No one who's a known member of the BNP should be in *any* position where they have direct responsibility for or authority over black/Asian/gay people, be it as a teacher or manager or whatever. BNP membership, public or otherwise, directly affects their ability to do their job

That has to be up to individual employers to decide, though: there's absolutely no way that can be enshrined in law.

And -- devil's advocacy? Yeh, OK, but hey -- what about bosses who are known members of certain religious organisations; the ones that aren't too tolerant of gay people or, umm, other religions?

That has to be up to individual employers to decide, though: there's absolutely no way that can be enshrined in law

Actually, hang on, I'm confusing myself now ... surely that would be discriminatory anyway? In all seriousness: how come the police are allowed to say "no BNP members"?

what about bosses who are known members of certain religious organisations; the ones that aren't too tolerant of gay people or, umm, other religions?

Certain entire religions as well as certain religious organisations. Are the BNP anti-gay? Right wing politics and (male) homosexuality are not exactly strangers.

they've already got enough racists? xp

Not ENTIRE religions, dudes, although maybe a majority in some cases. The main issue in this case is that joining the BNP does not really equal saying 'I am a racist' in any way that would hold up in a court of law.

Scratch entire

Certain entire religions as well as certain religious organisations

Heheh: I was being as delicate as I could possibly be, having trodden on toes before with my virulent anti-theism.

Are the BNP anti-gay? Right wing politics and (male) homosexuality are not exactly strangers

I wondered this, too. I think that's another problem -- (we) shocked liberals like to paint them as bogeymen i every possible way, which is overkill and sets them up with arguments they can destroy. Being racist fuckers is enough, I feel.

Yeah fair enough, scratch 'gay' from my argument as well.

Anyway, the first unfair dismissal case resulting from this can't be far away, so I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

I would imagine Richard Barnbrook is not too hard on gays... except when they want him to be

BNP are anti-gay. Or at least they definitely were very much so prior to "we're not fascists just cuddly patriots" modernisation.

Q: What is the BNP's policy in regard to homosexuality?

A: We believe that homosexuality is wrong and unhealthy for any community. Even so, no one wants to see homosexuals persecuted for being what they are. That's why homosexuality was legalised. Nevertheless, the flood of homosexual propaganda to 'normalise' this tendency has been both unforeseen and corrupting. Consequently, there will be a ban on the public display and promotion of homosexuality, including in schools and in the mass media.

xpost

We don't mind the gays, we just don't want to know about it ...

... unless it's, er, art (this being the Barnbrook thing Tom refers to.

er, ).

Much as I enjoy Matt's impersonations of Rik Out Of The Young Ones this is getting a tad silly. Wholesale discrimination against employees on the basis of not only political party membership but also hearsay ("maybe," "I don't believe that for one second") - that's a pretty B*P sort of a thing to say or do.

Wholesale discrimination against employees celebrities on the basis of not only political party membership but also hearsay ("maybe," "I don't believe that for one second") - that's a pretty B*P sort of a thing to say or do.

but, yeah, you're right. there's something about guaranteeing someone rights that they themselves would erode for others that rankles, though. and I wouldn't want a BNP anywhere near my children, tbh. does that make me bigoted?

Yes, since you asked.

Funny how it's always the subject of "children" which sends otherwise sentient human beings straight back to the level of superstitious medieval peasantry.

I have no children, can I be the baseline?

"WOULD YOU PUT YOUR PRINCIPLES AHEAD OF YOUR CHILDREN???"

Were I a parent, for instance, I wouldn't want anyone from Haringey Social Services near my children.

But they're Labour so that makes contributing directly to the death of a child OK, I guess, and no one's there going to lose their jobs or be barred from other similar work, are they?

What part of "The main issue in this case is that joining the BNP does not really equal saying 'I am a racist' in any way that would hold up in a court of law" didn't you understand?

Erm, apart from the typo.

Yet you advocate blanket employment bans on members. How did you get from A to J?

Only from certain positions where your ability to do the job is compromised by membership of a far right organisation. If you are a manager or a teacher than being able to treat everyone you are responsible for fairly is a central part of the job.

I know this doesn't legally hold up, but if you suddenly discover you're employing a BNP member in such a position, you're pretty much fucked anyway. It's either put yourself at risk of being sued for unfair dismissal now or put yourself at serious risk of legal action for something else later down the line. I don't envy them, put it that way.

If you are a manager or a teacher than being able to treat everyone you are responsible for fairly is a central part of the job

That said: I've worked for many managers and had many teachers to whom that notion would have been news ;)

Me too. Including one who, among other things, sat in the middle of the office and proudly declared "I would never employ a gay person". It still amazes me he never got sued by a former employee.

To a great extent we all have to act, play a role, go by the script, in our day jobs. And without naming names or places I've seen quite a few people come and go who were brilliant/grade A professional at doing their jobs and dealing with staff/clients/patients of all races/creeds/etc. but who privately (or in the staff room when no one was listening, or they THOUGHT no one was listening) had views which let's generously say were unpublishable.

As long as those views never coloured or interfered with the job that they did it was always much easier to let it ride and let them get on with it - I've never had to discipline or sack anyone on the basis of active racial, sexual or religious discrimination.

The point here is that "private individual" and "professional person" are usually two very separate and pretty much indivisible entities and so we should step very carefully before assuming that A is ALWAYS going to lead to B.

Ron Atkinson was a half-decent pundit when he knew the mic was on.

The point here is that "private individual" and "professional person" are usually two very separate and pretty much indivisible entities

Yeah the problem here is that suddenly this is no longer private. Like I said it's very very difficult to draw any rigid lines here, it's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out.

And the restrictions of membership in certain professions is not a sudden decision, and they should have been aware of it as it was.

Only from certain positions where your ability to do the job is compromised by membership of a far right organisation.

there is, presumably, no position in which membership of (or beliefs consistent with) a far left organisation compromises you in doing something properly.

why don't you suggest a couple, dara?

DISCIPLINE IN SCHOOLS etc etc.

i don't know, i'll give it some thought!

i guess i'm asking whether or not a political 'right wing' viewpoint is always the wrong one, and a 'left wing' viewpoint is always more valid, because it's nicer.

Far left doesn't usually have the racist aspect to it that far right usually seems to? IE yer average marxist-leninist doesn't have the viewpoint that people of this ethnicity are not welcome in this place, or its like.

its not that i disagree with you, but the way you suggested it, it sounded as if it should be obvious, but nothing is jumping to mind.

i'd rather, if i had kids, that their teachers weren't prejudiced against any of the pupils, though i guess this is a naive hope. i've never forgotten the bigoted teachers i had, and the couple i ran afoul of, but they were more than balanced out by teachers who weren't so.

As a rule of thumb, I'd say this: left wing politics may frequently be misguided, utopian, muddle-headed, impractical, self-defeating, depending on your opinion. Almost without exception tho, leftist politics is intended to bring about a state of affairs in which people's lives are altered for the better - tho obviously some leftists are not fussy about the means they would use to bring that improvement about. Right-wing politics, in its racial guise, is very much intended to make many people's lives very much worse. Also, Socialism may be arguably doomed and wrong in the senses I listed up there, but Racial thinking is demonstrably a stupid unscientific fallacy.

In the end, this isn't about some demonstrable objective right and wrong anyway. It's about choosing a way of trying to live, and all the complicated compromising decisions that that entails.

pash- but your average marxist-leninist might well take against kids of 'wealth', for instance (kinda weak, i know). not quite the same nasty connotations, i admit, which is where we'd all prefer that people should just leave personal politics out of it altogether.

its not that i disagree with you

i'm not even sure i agree with it myself, but i was wondering why it seemed to be a given, that's all.

NV- it's not normally the 'intentions' of far-left thinking that i personally (for instance) have issues with, but rather the methods and conclusions drawn from the theory.

pash- but your average marxist-leninist might well take against kids of 'wealth'

Nice euphemism for hoity-toity stuck up posho brats with silver spoons in their mouths who go around like their arse is a perfume factory

it's not normally the 'intentions' of far-left thinking that i personally (for instance) have issues with, but rather the methods and conclusions drawn from the theory

And I agree that makes a lot of "socialists" difficult to agree with. It's not like a ticket to being clever or a decent human being. Voting/joining the BNP seems like a direct ticket away from that stuff tho. And whilst I'm prepared to accept that the political views don't make the whole person, it's still a pretty big statement to make about the world and other people and, thought through or not, people ought to take full cognizance of what they're saying about themselves when they do that stuff.

And teachers can be members of the BNP at present.

WHO CAN JOIN THE BNP?
Police and prison officers: Banned
Council and NHS employees: Not banned but would be disciplined if beliefs interfered with job
Doctors: Must not allow beliefs to compromise care or attempt to impose political views on patients
Nurses: Not forbidden but code of conduct requires commitment to equality and diversity
Teachers: Membership of political parties must not compromise professional conduct
Union members: Under new laws BNP members could be expelled if judged to be incompatible with the union's beliefs
Armed forces personnel: Not explicitly banned but personnel are barred from political activity or demonstration

Would a non-paedophile who publicly campaigned for the abolition of any age of consent be welcome as a teacher? There are limits with most jobs about publicly contradicting your employer's professional standards/mission statement/whatever. I think employment law must take account of that.

My only problem with all this is that it inflates the BNP into being some sort of growing danger to love, life, liberty and the British way of life, instead of being a bunch of irrelevant tosspots with no chance of doing any fucking thing at all politically

does the theory that this is good publicity for them hold any water? i wonder what the % of people is that reads this in the 'paper or sees an item on the news and thinks 'hmm thats actualy the party that talks my language. i think i'll sign up'.
also i wonder what % of members have already cancelled membership or will do in the coming weeks as a result of this.

i imagine the second % will outweigh the first. but i'm naive like that.

Were I a parent, for instance, I wouldn't want anyone from Haringey Social Services near my children.

But they're Labour so that makes contributing directly to the death of a child OK, I guess, and no one's there going to lose their jobs or be barred from other similar work, are they?

― What a broad smile! It is like a delta! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 20 November 2008 15:24 (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Wow. So Haringey council social workers are worse than BNP members?

Also, their political affiliation arguably has nothing to do with their ineptitude.

Boring point, but they don't have any political affiliation. Civil servants of all kinds are neutral, or they would obviously be compromised any time the government/council changed - political stuff is left to politicians, and to the general public should they feel so inclined.

Incidentally, I don't get why this doesn't seem to apply to the police any more - top brass at the Met and elsewhere gob off about anything and everything with increasingly tedious regularity

This isn't new - say hello to James Anderton...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2501733530_09723b952f.jpg?v=0

Wow. So Haringey council social workers are worse than BNP members?

― Neil S, Thursday, 20 November 2008 19:05 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Inept and rubbish Haringey council workers (as opposed to ones not those things) be worse than BNP members that are actually good at their jobs and don't let etc yadda...

Again, I think the BNP leaked this leist, not as a recruitment drive, but as a "hey these people do their jobs well, they should not be banned" which is all well and good, but this also means legitimising the party, and a natural followup would be legitimising the opinions of the party.

That's all I'm worried about...

There's no fucking way the BNP, as an official entity, leaked this list. Deliberately creating a scenario where large numbers of your membership are at risk of having petrol bombs put through their letterbox is not something that even the most batshit of political parties would consider.

There are ways of portraying your membership in a positive light, and indiscriminately posting the name and address of everyone in the party on the internet is not one of them.

Riding past this morning, looks like the member who lives two streets away from me has had his house daubed w/ graffiti - lots of fresh white paint going on his walls in strange new blobby configurations. Certainly wasn't there the other day. Don't feel at all comfortable with intimidating shit like that, despite my loathing of the politics.

Yeah, if people must make martyrs out of them they should do it in the full Biblical sense.

pash- but your average marxist-leninist might well take against kids of 'wealth'

Nice euphemism for hoity-toity stuck up posho brats with silver spoons in their mouths who go around like their arse is a perfume factory

― Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 20 November 2008 17:34 (Yesterday)

I think you may well have strengthened my point there.

Or, y'know, he may well have made a joke.

Police are investigating a suspicious car fire close to the home of a BNP member.

Won't somebody please think of the Nazis?

Or, y'know, he may well have made a joke.

― Enrique (Raw Patrick), Friday, 21 November 2008 10:27 (1 hour ago)

no, i don't think so. but if you like, substitute 'children of wealth' for 'children of poverty/immigrants' and let me know what kind of similar joke you could make up.

"Feral rat-urchins who'll stab you as soon as look at you whilst robbing your bike and playing their c-rap music too loud at the back of the bus?"

Even if you didn't like it it was still a joke. Just not a good one.

(xp)

Beginning to suspect that darragh is heir to the Earldom of Limerick or sump'n.

self loathing commoner, unfortunately.

we should learn to loathe each other, instead of ourselves!

i don't see why. at least in loathing myself i'm in full possession of the relevant facts.

Easy enough to do that on ILx (xp)...

And here was me thinking Downfall overdubs had jumped the shark.

arf

tick vg

Sehr gut! That guy looked a bit like Hitler.

LOL @ "I should have joined UKIP instead" / "don't worry, he's not thats stupid"

You think there's fucked up people in UK? Read this!

Otto, Jewish Nazi from "Life Of Brian"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7744332.stm

Twelve British National Party (BNP) members have been arrested on suspicion of distributing racist material in Liverpool city centre.

Merseyside Police said the men were held at about 1250 GMT after leaflets were distributed in the Whitechapel area of the city.

Roy Goodwin, organiser of the Blackpool and Oldham BNP branches, confirmed 12 party members were arrested.

He said the contents of the leaflets had been "carefully vetted".

The 12 men were later released on bail to appear at a police station early in the New Year.

Police said those arrested were a 29-year-old and a 51-year-old from the south Liverpool area; a 64-year-old from the Wirral; a 19-year-old; a 46-year-old and a 41-year-old from north Liverpool; a 61-year-old and a 42-year-old from Knowsley; a 70-year-old; a 44-year-old; and a 29-year-old and a 48-year-old from St Helens.

'Nothing unlawful'

Mr Goodwin said he understood 12 of his members had been arrested "distributing official party leaflets in Merseyside".

He added: "There was nothing unlawful in the leaflets - all the contents of the leaflets had been carefully vetted, or they would not have gone out."

Merseyside Police Assistant Chief Constable Colin Matthews said: "Merseyside Police condemns racism in all of its forms and will take prompt action to support all of our communities.

"Merseyside Police today arrested 12 people on suspicion of distribution of racist material.

"This follows the distribution of leaflets in Liverpool city centre, which officers believe to contain racist content.

"Racist literature is not welcome on the streets of Merseyside in any circumstances."

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2909/122747055859yy0.jpg

Looking like Ruth Badger in that one.

"Without a doubt"

MODERATORS = NAZIS.

"Chairman's Video Address" on the web with everybody else's, fair does.

noticed on CIF that an article titled 'how to beat the BNP' has over twice as many comments as any of the other recent popular entries

We expect to release, within 24h, a new membership list for the UK "whites only" nationalist party, the BNP.

hey ho, the list is up now

Majorly slow to download right now though.

The truck rental company are gonna get screwed - those BNP guys are notorious haulage cost deniers.

A thing of beauty is a joy forvever

xpost

The US mirror is currently working...

Imagine if you found that you were on the membership list.

well there is a reverend on there...

A BNP spokesman said it considered any publication of its internal membership data to be a criminal offence under the Data Protection Act. "This is an example of the perpetual hatred and vilification we face," said BNP deputy chairman Simon Darby.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/10/15/1255628269696/Nick-Griffin-BNP-Leader-001.jpg

^ Awesome photo of Piggy Griffin that the Guardian are using for this story.

Fatboy strikes again

That photo is going straight on the men who look like old lesbians thread.

Take that BNP!

"Neil S and BNP in war of words"

Stickin' it to the racist man. Nick Griffin, that is.

figure Question Time ratings this Thursday will be highest for 3-4 years

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4554/collett.jpg

M@rk C0ll3tt

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00087/F_200601_january18ed_87862a.jpg

Jeez....

How did you find that facebook page/image, btw?

Sky News...

He's not my friend, if that's what you're thinking.

Collett told Sky News his spoof Pac-Man picture was "simply a joke" and said he did not want to "sort out" Muslims.

He said: "The Pac-Man character eats ghosts, but to suggest that anyone in the BNP wants anyone to eat women in burqas is laughable.

What's the deal with him and Russell Brand?

xxpost .... glad to have it confirmed

no... was just wanting to know how it ended up in the public domain

I just want to ask these fuckers, "If you are not a racist, why did you join a racist party?"

How come no-one asks, "If you are not racist, why did you vote for a racist party?"

What's the deal with him and Russell Brand?

A very, very odd documentary I saw accidentally one night, in which RB tried to take the piss out of young BNP knob-ends like C0ll3tt with varying degrees of success. I get the feeling the YBNPK-Es didn't actually understand what was going on.

Right, I saw him talking (rather vaguely and confusingly) about knowing Collett, but he made it seem like he knew him years and years ago

Trying and failing to parse "people like you keep people like me out of power" from that screengrab

xp the documentary was from like 2002 I think? So a fair while ago

people like you keep people like me out of power

I assume it's some assumption of superiority among the far-right: the "intellectual" wing looks down on those who use overtly racist language in public? JBH, as a cursory Google has just informed me, is a staunch advocate of the BNP on Facebook but obviously considers himself a cut above the majority of the membership. Ye gods, that amuses the shit out of me. What a twat.

Less amused now I've just spent five miserable minutes looking at his BNP page on Facebook. OK, the spelling mistakes and shrill hysteria are mildly chucklesome, but what's most notable isn't hatred (which surprised me) but sheer, mind-numbing stupidity: it seems populated by people who don't have the capacity or inclination to think. I guess racist parties have always been the preserve of the stupid, but fuck me, that's eye-openingly bleak.

Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so. /russell

James Berba Howson is a fan of:
Music

* Oasis
* Slipknot
* MGMT
* Gucci Mane
* The Game

but is there any solution to stupid people voting stupidly (that's clumsily put but in essence)? with the credibility etc of mainstream parties being what it is? different situation over here but we saw the sinn fein vote explode at the last general election, for instance, due to rural/local support.

Lots of good English products on his list, especially Amaretto, Maoam and Pingu.

Later Pingu was made in Britain though?

i preferred his earlier work

His earlier funnier work, yes, before he started thinking he was Ingemar Bergman

but is there any solution to stupid people voting stupidly (that's clumsily put but in essence)? with the credibility etc of mainstream parties being what it is?

Exactly: this is what worries me the most. The best way to deal with stupidity is to challenge it -- I'm naive enough to think that most people have a fundamental decency somewhere, even if it can be fucking hard to find -- but you do wonder who's credible enough to be doing that challenging right now.

When people -- even stupid ones -- are scared and angry, simple cues are arguably far more effective persuaders than rational arguments (e.g. Petty and Cacioppo, 1986, he says, just to remind himself he's meant to be working on a lab report right now). Politically, it seems likely to me that simple cues equate with core values ... which, unfortunately, the BNP appears to have by the bagful (England for the English! Send 'em all back! Er ... make Britain Great again! Sound and fury signifying nothing but sadly that shit can work all too well.)

Labour, though ... sorry, in all seriousness, what could it actually claim is a core value now? It's such an ideological mess, such a hypocritical disaster.

In all seriousness: our best hope of neutralising the BNP support -- and it pains me to type this -- is probably fucking Cameron and his chums. *Bangs head off wall.* God, I'm glad I live in Scotland.

In all seriousness: our best hope of neutralising the BNP support -- and it pains me to type this -- is probably fucking Cameron and his chums.

Why?

Because -- as Thatcher did in the mid-1970s -- they can say: "Hey, stupid people, we understand all your misplaced concerns about immigration! Look, we have union flags and petty right-wing policies. It'll all be OK: just vote for us. You'll see."

Whereas Labour can say no more than: "Er, er. Umm. Er."

I'm not saying this is an ideal approach: far from it. It's just right now -- again, this sticks in my fucking throat -- I think a Conservative government would probably be a more efficient challenge to the far right than a Labour one.

OK, I'm off to shoot myself now.

But a lot of those voting BNP seem to be former Labour supporters, and I bet a lot of them would never vote Tory

We don't need to neutralise the BNP in a political sense - happy for peeps to do it in a veterinary sense - because they're about at the limit of their support right now and I srsly doubt they'll ever win one seat in Parliament let alone attain any kind of presence.

^ OTM, a thousand times OTM

*Makes funny and annoying whistling sound through his teeth* ... I really, really hope you're right. Greater minds than mine ain't so sure.

He said an awful lot more than what's reported there, obviously, but you get the idea. Perhaps I'm over-reacting -- I hope I am.

Chomsk is saying that ideas need to be challenged, I think, and fair enough. I can't think of any historical examples of Fascist parties taking power thru election in mature democracies. Respect have got more MPs than the BNP and look what a tremendous influence George Lolloway wields.

I really don't see Noam Chomsky as an expert on increase in support for the BNP in working class areas in the Midlands and Northern England

God, I'm glad I live in Scotland.

Yes, no fanatical bigots waving Union Jacks there

Ha. Of course, but at least we have an electable non-Tory alternative to Labour (called, at the moment, "the Scottish Government").

Oh, and because I can just imagine some wag saying: "THE BNP AND SNP ARE ONLY ONE LETTER APART, YOU KNOW", here's an elegant explanation in advance:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/iain-macwhirter/why-snp-believes-we-are-the-people-wherever-we-re-from-1.928428

SNP, or the Tartan Tories, to give them their former nickname

YES, THAT IS WHY I POSTED THE LINK, TOM.

Sorry, but that article is shit

*Applauds* ... my, with such staggeringly erudite analysis as that, I have no choice but to change my opinions and agree with your every word.

I'd say "please elucidate", but you know what? Given the quality of most of your comments about Scottish politics here over the past few years, I can't actually say I care. It's up to you; on balance, I'd probably rather you didn't.

No, I think Grimly is right - far right parties do seem to gain support under Labour governments and then lose it under the Tories. A combination of sense of betrayal by Labour and then swinging behind eg Thatcher. Not sure whether that will play out under Cameron though, who I bet will make a virtue of putting a few Asian businessmen in prominent places.

Defend this then:

Presumably, Scots should erase their history and culture and discourage ethnic Scots from coming here lest they turn it into a tartan ghetto. This is rather like Bonnie Greer, the deputy chair of the British Museum, on Question Time last week, saying that there’s no such thing as the British people because they all migrated here from Africa.

Uh?

And it goes without saying that Prof Gallagher would ban films such as Braveheart and Rob Roy, and most of the Waverley Novels.

Notwithstanding the fact that banning "Braveheart" would have my wholehearted support, how does it "go without saying"?

It's badly written, is what I mean

Not disagreeing with the overall thrust of it. Even though it smacks a little of a certain irritatingly Scottish brand of self-congratulation

(Sorry, that ran on, I've no idea who's correct when it comes to the SNP)

I think that's true (what Matt says). People that would 'never vote Tory' are thinking from a political ideology POV that working class people don't (eh in my experience, sweeping statements aside etc). They're more likely to go on the local candidate/local issues view than an overarching 'there is a labour party, there is a conservative party and it really, really matters in my life which is in power'.

xpost to Tom's "Defend this":

In reverse order: because Gallagher's column the previous day made his opinions on the glorification of Scottish military victories abundantly clear; what is there to defend? If that's what Greer said -- I didn't see the programme because I was away, so IMacW might be misrepresenting her -- then yes, it's a lovely but absurdly naive approach to take. Nations exist: to pretend otherwise is a bit like trying to deal with any political problem by reductio ad absurdum. Or just burying your head in the sand.

It's badly written, is what I mean

Ah, I see! Two words instead of one and it makes all the difference. No, it's not his best, I'd agree: but as a primer on the core issue it's a good 'un all the same.

I think that's true (what Matt says). People that would 'never vote Tory' are thinking from a political ideology POV that working class people don't (eh in my experience, sweeping statements aside etc).

Not in the least. I think the difference between now and the far right in the 70s is the BNP is quite deliberately presenting itself as The Party That Stands Up For the Working Class, in fact as the only party that does anymore, in those areas where they think that might get them votes that is. That didn't happen in the 70s, then it was just all Pakis Out.

think the difference between now and the far right in the 70s is the BNP is quite deliberately presenting itself as The Party That Stands Up For the Working Class, in fact as the only party that does anymore, in those areas where they think that might get them votes that is. That didn't happen in the 70s, then it was just all Pakis Out

I wasn't old enough to be aware of what was going on in the 1970s (b.1975), but I'm reading Mark Garnett's From Anger To Apathy at the moment and yes, that seems to ring true with his analysis. I could be completely wrong here, but the impression I get is that the NF in the 1970s was so much about aggro that the violence actually damaged its standing with many people who might otherwise have shared its views (and who almost certainly went on to vote for Thatcher's Tories); the BNP now is hardly sophisticated, but yes, it seems to have woken up to the whole "standing up for the working class" thing (which arguably wasn't so much of an issue in the mid-1970s: though again, I'm basing that on some flimsy assumptions).

All of which just takes me back to what Chomsky was saying in Belfast, and makes me worry that we're underestimating the fuckers :(

I can see hardly any comparison between 1979 and 2009, tbh. Particularly when it comes to "the working class".

so much about aggro

See, it's not that the aggro gets supplied by the working class, it's that the ruling classes get someone else to do their dirty work for them!

I do remember the 70s and what did for the NF was not only Thatcher talking their language but their sheer incompetence. That's gone. I still don;t think they'll do very well next year but who knows? They won't get an MP so I suspect any momentum they've built up (a lot due to the expenses scandal) may just fizzle out post election.

They're standing in Glasgow North East to-day - presumably just a publicity exercise?

They're talking about beating the Tories and Liberals into 3rd place there

^ Which is just about possible, I fear, for all sorts of reasons.

This constituency had the biggest BNP vote in Scotland at the last election, I believe... admittedly three men and a (racist) dog but nonetheless

(This was an xpost but it follows neatly on from Tom's comment, too)

... so yeh, it might well be a publicity exercise but it's still chilling. Yes, this is a Westminster seat, but remember that for Scottish Parliament elections it's not first-past-the-post, so a third-place constituency win could (theoretically) make some difference to a party's fortunes. I don't think the BNP give much of a fuck about Scotland, to be honest, but I can see them making a big deal out of even a mediocre result.

there's absolutely no chance of a BNP MP after the next election?

None

Probably in the pointless 2015 election, I bet.

If the Tories get a landslide this time, though, but probably not if Labour have half a chance of snatching it back.

Griffin to stand in Barking

Barking Mad

Is Barking in London? I thought he was never going back to London.

Margaret Hodge, the incumbent MP ... made it plain without saying anything quotable that she was not delighted at having Nick Griffin fighting against her

this must be code for some serious foul language

I'm hoping that Billy Bragg's going to see him off at the town gates.

Sikh who hates muslims becomes first non-white BNP member. Crazy world.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bnp-signs-its-first-nonwhite-member-1824108.html

He's been around a few years ago - he was on leaflets and on one of their broadcasts (iirc). I kind of assumed he was already a member (didn't understand BNP membership policy d'oh).

"He is perhaps the kind of immigrant you want if you are going to have them."

This is the kind of gung-ho PR speak that still makes me hope the membership is gonna vote down the change in membership policy. And then the fun can really begin.

Nick Griffin calls world leaders mass murderers at the Copenhagen climate conference

Oh, I thought that Griffin was all in favour of genocidal nutjobs.

Is that a compliment?

(xpost)

He said world leaders and advocates of action on climate change such as Al Gore are “mass murderers” by supporting biofuels.

Contrast this with the clearly stated environmental policy on the BNP website:

"A BNP government will develop alternative transport fuels such as bio-diesel and hydrogen"

Fucking gobshite.

Also this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/10/nick-griffin-environmentalism

Talking "in an east London pub on a rainy afternoon", Griffin explained to Faris his thinking on the links between immigration and the environment. "Every person we take from the third world with a tiny climate footprint and bring them (sic) into the western world, we're massively increasing their impact of carbon release into the world's atmosphere. There's no doubt about it, the western way of life is not sustainable. So what on Earth is the point of turning more people into westerners."

Fucking gobshite.

"Hitler reacts..." video in 5... 4... 3...

http://www.nastyhobbit.org/forum/animated_gifs/hitler-watermelon.gif

http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/page/speakout/fraud?source=fraudemail&utm_source=full&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20100322

I could really go some watermelon right now.

lol March 2010 membership list

http://bristol.indymedia.org/attachments/mar2010/bnp.txt

any ilxors on there

there are like 20 of these fucks who've moved to Australia

that's what happens

Mr
Gavin
Smith
Activist

Was at uni with this dude for three years. He was very weird. A maths student, and socially awkward, but he'd habitually chill in the room of a good friend of mine there, and partake of weed and alcohol. This friend was one of the most left-wing, hippytastic people I knew at university. Our aforementioned BNP activist didn't really express his views often except the occasional racist tidbit that was spoken so matter-of-factly and autistically that it didn't really register. In fact, he never really said much at all. Would be amazed if he's still there.

one of my locals is located at the nearby open prison. Virtuous righteous Britons one and all.

Can ppl not c&p details over here intact please. I don't want any of these moron thugs showing up over here under any circumstances whatsoever.

no-one in my immediate postcode area (NE39)

Haha fair enough but the dude I posted wouldn't hurt a fly, or know how to, really

These guys don't usually show up alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDE00vdxMds

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10723764

Oh goooooood...

Would be choice if HM booted him in the goolies.

i don't think you can call them that anymore tbh?

He only has one anyway, the other is in the Albert Hall.

i'm shocked, shocked that the queen will be entertaining racists other than her husband and her mum.

indeed, to discover that there is dissembling taking place in this Establishment?

u mfers don't no gold wen u c it imo

banned. for using the invitation for political purposes and because he'd "make the other guests uncomfortable". not for racism.

B-N_D

Other members of the Royal Family who will be mingling on the Palace's lawns include the Duke of York, The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester and the Duke of Kent.

That's how NG got in, typo on the guest list...

Stay classy Nick!

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. .bit of drama by way of reminding you that an English couple's home is their castle. Say No to heterophobia!

Um, could a mod maybe redact the repetition of the address?

But yeah, just seen this. What a classy fucker.

two tweets, hence posted twice. but yeah, redact away.

No, sorry, I mean the address of the guys he's threatening.

oops yeah right, sorry about that. Mods to thread!!!

who are the guys he's threatening, and why?